July 8, 2025 • 54 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, JULY 8TH, 2025
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I'm going to talk about two different things. The
first part of your question, and that is an an investigation.
We know where special sessions coming and about ten days.
That's where I would say word begins, ken Ley. Those
investigations will begin by both the House and Centate before
we go into session, so probably beginning later this week
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or the early part of the next week. Those big
committees formed that are already kind of working on ideas
about ways to address this second party question needs to
be addressed. You ask, and I'm going to use your words,
who's to blame?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Know this?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's the word choice of losers. Let me explain one
thing about Texas, and that is Texas. Every square inch
of our state cares about football. You could be in Hunt, Texas, Huntsville, Texas, Houston, Texas,
any size community they care about football, high school, Friday
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night lights, college football, or pro and know this. Every
football team makes mistakes. The losing teams are the ones
that try to point out who's to blame. The championship
teams are the ones that say, don't worry about it, man,
we got this. We're gonna make sure that we go
score again, that we're going to win this game. The
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way winners talk is not to put fingers. They talk
about solutions. What Texas is all about is solutions. In fact,
I want to read you something that I received last
night that's worth emphasizing to put this in context. Tragedy
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has come, that part is done. What we do now,
who we are now, that's what the story is still
being written. Let it be one of grace, of grit,
of fierce love and the face of grief. Let it
be the kind of story that proves that the Hill
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Country may flood, but it does not fail.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Say what you will about Texas, but.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
When the rivers rise, so do we not with blame,
not with bitterness, but with boots on the ground, arms
around strangers, and hearts wide open. That's the Texas I know,
and that's the America that I believe in. Well, this
person wrote is what I know is true for all
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Texas and what we will achieve every single day.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Legislation to see the special sushi.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Part of the legislative process is policy.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Is not made in a vacuum. We have ideas.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've served on two investigatory committees out of the House
before I was Speaker, both Uvality and Panhandle wildfires. There
are things and things that we can talk about, but
it is too early to commit to know the specifics
until we actually talk to the members of the community
and hear what they think. Talk to the experts in
the field, talk to the first responders. That's what legislative
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hearings are for. We are ready to get started the legislators.
I talk to the members of the House and I
know the Senate are very interested in finding solutions to
not accept that we can't do better. But we will
have those hearings, we will synthesize what we get, and
we will come up with legislation that I believe will
make it to the Governor's desk and make us a stronger, better,
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more resilient Texas well.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So one thing that we're focused on is making sure
that we deliver the right solutions. One thing the Speaker
just said that's worth emphasizing, and that is that for
us to provide real solutions, we actually need to hear
from the people who are the ones most affected. The
ones most affected, they're dealing with the grievance of having
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lost a child, or lost a business, or otherwise have
their lives turn upside down. They don't have the capability
right now providing that information. We'll talk to local leaders importantly,
not just here but across the state, and we want
to make sure that we address what happened here. But
at the same time, we want to make sure that
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we are able to implement measures that are going to
be able to prevent loss in other regions going forward.
So we ever work out out for us, but I
know the members of the House and members of the Senate,
I know we'll work and get some meaningful things done.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So again, focus is and on trying to say, oh,
you did wrong or you should have done better. There.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
My job is to bring Texas and Texans together and
make sure that we immediately start delivering on solutions. You
talk about the heroic effort, and no one has seen
the level of response as what Texas has provided over
the past four days or so. And we continue to
maintain that response here while also going to the state
capital and working on around the clock responses there to
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make sure that we do deliver real solutions for these
people sitting right behind you. Sure, so your questions about
what local officials knew, you'd have to ask them, Well,
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the state was aware of the state was aware that
there was a possible serious flooding event days in advance,
and we prepositioned assets and resources and personnel.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And remember the flood began on Friday morning.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That we originally positioned those assets, resources of personnel on Wednesday,
than when greater clarity was discerned on Thursday, we moved
them closer, added and made sure that we had adequate
supply going into Friday, so we were ready with the
resources on the ground to be able to quickly response.
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Some people say, well, we responded so fast. One reason
we did respond fast is because we had assets here already.
That said, we didn't know the magnitude of the storm.
We knew that there was a flash flood warning, and
if you were a flash flood warning, no one would
know that that would be a thirty foot high tsunami
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wall of water. I don't think, but all I can
tell you is what the information we had, the state had,
and that we acted on, was information that catalyzed us
to begin putting assets and resources in place two days
before the event happened.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
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Speaker 5 (07:10):
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Speaker 6 (07:14):
Are grades here?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
You're not a parent?
Speaker 6 (07:25):
How think you mean?
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Make you the other try to get your par of.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
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Speaker 7 (07:31):
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baby fields and gameboard is not us. It's twenty coming
from there. You're not have resources, I mean their favorite don't.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
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the days. Get to see how easy you still looking.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
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the water.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
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are you listen about seven.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
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Speaker 5 (08:14):
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Speaker 6 (08:20):
I don't spos to media.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I'm gonna pull this up when I'm opposed to media.
Speaker 9 (08:22):
I hooked out John and your figure. We made for
this ten minutes. We twenty people in the eighties. It
was going crazy after that whole in here over a
hundred agres and taking care of.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Three days, God bless holding people.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
I showed out we had people who were not certified.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Possibly be got in three about ninety percent of the recovery.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Of the team.
Speaker 10 (08:47):
We are so grateful for everyone I've been saying, but
we are strong. We came together and all we had
in people. You got infietrated, the lizards, we got in
the train the New Truth, and we were sold. We
have a certification because the.
Speaker 11 (09:02):
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like when I go there and thought, guess kind I.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Was driving up about what now is taking to a
threefours very home. My family and I have stopply driving.
Speaker 12 (09:18):
And at a leading down.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
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Speaker 5 (09:24):
And I asked if there is you? And they said,
I went down there made it pretty much. I can
learn the home that they go home, and.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
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like to say.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Of myself, I don't they recovered.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
They hope those families that now have answers, because I
think would out there they the family ninety before you
wanted to the Then I got to the plane. He
started off with seven about five trucks about we have one, and.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
He got word there was an he stopped these aranging.
Speaker 13 (09:58):
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Speaker 5 (10:16):
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Speaker 11 (10:20):
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Speaker 11 (10:29):
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Speaker 5 (10:37):
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Speaker 6 (10:40):
I bought your grand's market. They coming to you?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Got all right you have we already had and.
Speaker 11 (10:48):
Excis you're out there a great hoarding and her half
the sixteen kids we have had some.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Ready to go the lead. I'm not one.
Speaker 14 (11:06):
Set us im.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Fire. That's what happened.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
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Speaker 6 (11:24):
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Speaker 5 (11:28):
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Speaker 6 (11:45):
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What they said? They said.
Speaker 15 (11:55):
A very problem maybe at the ever. I know that,
but you've been working.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
Siss six days, say.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
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Speaker 12 (12:21):
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Speaker 5 (12:32):
Don't so short saw up.
Speaker 14 (12:38):
They tell us to leaven about the Stubbs came out.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
You'll work at.
Speaker 16 (12:51):
The current little Texas keep and keep that sound up.
He's getting uh, I guess an absolute front of assault
appear as maybe a parent or something like that. The
governments sitting there. I think we're going in seven minutes.
I know it's tough to hear, but we're gonna cut
back to it. Just watch until the government response. You're
in the.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
World also.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Very good, We're not hm.
Speaker 11 (14:07):
We don't want people coming any pastus for a year.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You Well, so if I can say this, yeah, sure, I.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
See, very pre.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Appreciate.
Speaker 14 (15:00):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, well it's a member of the
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community and the governments not.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I'm gonna I'm gonna connect you with someone. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Mh right, and I got the person for you. I'm
gonna give you her name, her number that you connect
with her.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But let me say this. You know, people talk about
how strong Texas is.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
People talk about how strong Texes Is is because of
people like you, people who don't wait around for orders
and instructions. Yeah, I started liking not just you, but
like you. We saw the exact same response in Hurricane Harvey.
People didn't wait for a boss to tell them what
to do. There was no time clock to check in
or check out.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They said they're getting getting out their own canoe, their
own kayak, and they're going to start helping neighbors before
the sun rose.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Up until after the sun set.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But all I wanted to let you know is the
spirit that lies within your heart and use the word
blood in your bloodstream you have in your blood?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What Texas is all about?
Speaker 16 (16:32):
And this is a press conference. It's kind of evolved
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into a I think some accusations are some personal thoughts
of it. Looks like somebody involved went on for about
ten or twelve minutes seeing it and all just cut
away from it. We're following it. Let's cut back. Please, okay,
don't need me, guys, Please keep the camera where it is.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 16 (17:25):
There we go, There we go. I think we got sound.
Let's cut into it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They're moving the camera.
Speaker 16 (17:33):
I'd rather have movement than looking at me. Let's get
over there. Say we get sound. Okay, folks. The biggest
reveal today we got a pack show. But the biggest
reveal I think a few minutes ago is that they
have now said the missing is one hundred and sixty one.
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This was Ben Berkwan. I gotta give a hat tip
to Ben Burkwan's question the other day how many missing?
Is it dozens? And you haven't put a number up?
Is it dozens or hundreds? And the guy remember answered
a lot. Didn't take the dozens. And now you know
why one hundred and sixty one. They're also from the
morning's press conference, there has not been a rescue of
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a living human being since Friday. And I think he
said Friday afternoon. Which is it hit at what four
o'clock in the morning or three thirty four o'clock, four
to thirty in the morning. Governor Abbott looks like they
may be praying over there. He wheeled over after taking
it sounded like an onslaught of I don't know if
accusations or information or point of view from a woman
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in the crowd. That sounds like she's either a victim
or knows the victims, or somehow was talking about the
community and Governor Abbott eventually decided to go over and
actually mingle with the crowd. He's got the kind of
head of the of some of the leadership of the
Texas Department. It looks like from this there's a lot
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more involvement in the state. I think taking control of
it's going to be a recovery effort. Looks like a
lot more input from the state. This was supposed to
take place at six o'clock our time. In fact, we
had the whole show wrapped around doing that. We're going
to continue with this picture. Let's bring in. Let's bring
in our is Dave Bratt with me. Dave Brett joins
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me my co host for today for a little while.
Natalie's going to join me in a little while to
take over the duty as co host. Dave Bratt, your assessment,
you're you were a professional politician. How do you think
Governor Abbott handled that looked like an onslaught sir.
Speaker 17 (19:42):
Yeah, I mean, speaking as a politician, I went to seminary,
you know, thirty years ago, and you know there's a
time for rational analysis that today's not that time. It's
it's time for pastoral care and to love the folks
and to listen Uh, and to be at the bedside
and in the short term, I mean, the devastation is huge,
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the families are torn apart.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (20:09):
The woman speaking was sharing her heart and so you know,
he was just listening, and that's you know, that's what
you should do. There's there's plenty of time for analysis
of all the public policy is just coming out. It's
it's too bad people are taking pot shots in the
short run already immediately after this, and you know, people
can make their analysis of who the fair players are.
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But it looked to me like he was just intently listening.
And it looks like he's got you know, people of
compassion around him praying afterwards. And uh, you know, so
that that it's the toughest job in the world on
a day like that. There's great days in politics when
things are going right, and then there's the toughest days
in the world. And he's in the middle of that.
Speaker 16 (20:52):
One of the women in the crowd or a reporter
I think not a woman crowds of who is to
play and he said, look, we're not we're not going.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
To go there.
Speaker 16 (21:00):
We're going to do on a complete assessment later. Now
now is the time to actually Uh, there's the governor.
Let's go back to Governor rabbit.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh, NIM could best ask that, Nim when when Wednesday
and Thursday before the Friday morning.
Speaker 18 (21:26):
I can't answer the wise. I'm not gonna answer the
wise you asked. When we were in contact. We started
having calls and messages on Wednesday from an area of
I thirty five out I ten, all the way to
where it touches I twenty, all the way back over
to where I twenty touches I thirty five. Again, that
is a large chunk of Texas that was anywhere in
the potential area of where this kind of rain.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Could have fallen. It picked this spot right here.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
All right, one more question, go ahead, Yeah, how's it go?
The man who's in charge of that assistance, chief m Kid.
She wants to know how long does it take to
get assistance?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
How long does it take to get assistance?
Speaker 18 (22:09):
So the disaster recovery centers will be published in the
morning of those locations. They can go to those locations
and start getting aid. There are plenty of volunteers that
are out there ready to offer aid right now in
addition to the federal assistance.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So you're saying that those centers will be open tomorrow morning.
Speaker 18 (22:21):
Yes, sir, soft we have the addresses. I need to
confirm them and then we'll put them out. They will
be publicized. They will be publicized, yes, ma'am, thank you all.
Speaker 16 (22:35):
Okay, right there, the governor and I don't think there's
going to be a six o'clock press conference. I think
they just started early, the governor stepping in and handling
it today. The big news, I think we're going to
count here. But the big news is that they have
announced a number that they haven't had before of a
missing of one hundred and sixty one folks still down
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in this area. Do we have Augustus as he's up,
let me go. I've got Augustus de Rico, CEO of Rainmaker. Augustus,
can you walk through, because there's been some controversy about
seating and geoengineering, can you take a minute and walk
through just what your company is, what it does, and
what have you been doing for the state of Texas.
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I take it by you've beenentertained. I take it by localities,
local governments, individual agriculture businesses to do something about the
lack of rain down there.
Speaker 19 (23:30):
Sure, yeah, well, thank you for having me on for one.
My heart and prayers are with everybody affected in Texas
and the entire state. I'm going to be down there
tomorrow trying to help as i can. I run a
company called Rainmaker that conducts cloud seating to make it
rain more for farms, for ecosystem restoration, for residential reservoirs
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when they're suffering from drought, and we work with municipalities
and farmers throughout Texas to when there is a drought
or there isn't enough water, make it rain more. We
unequivocally had nothing to do with the flooding that was
caused by the remnants of the tropical storm that blew
in and our biggest cloud seating missions to date have
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only produced ten million gallons of precipitation approximately, and that
tropical storm dumped about four trillion over the course of
two days. So the order of magnitude difference between what
cloud seating is even capable of and what happened is incomparable.
And again, I truly am heartbroken about what has happened,
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but want to make it abundantly clear that cloud seating
was not involved in any capacity and it's a technology
that is used to help farmers when there isn't enough water.
Speaker 16 (24:48):
Let me ask you to repeat that. Four tree and
you're saying four tree and gallons was dumped on that time.
I think they said ten inches in the Oh no,
excuse me, the river rose twenty six fe in forty
five minutes. I guess you're saying, in the entire time
of this storm that hit, there was over four tree
and gallons of water that was dumped onto the locale. Correct.
Speaker 19 (25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (25:13):
And cloud seeing is cloud seeing? Is that small?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
What is?
Speaker 16 (25:16):
What's the purpose? What a farmer they're they're doing it
when they're that desperate, when when there's been like a
drought for a while.
Speaker 19 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll cloud seed either to try to
fill up aqua first preemptively or when there is a drought.
They not only use it for aquafer recharge in farming
in Texas, but municipalities throughout Utah and Idaho also use it.
This technology was invented in the United States in the
nineteen forties, and only because of recent advents in radar
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technology are we able to measure exactly what the results
from it are. And that's what Rainmaker has been doing
for the state of Texas and other states about the country.
It's also worth noting quickly that the Texas Department of
Licensing and Regulation has criteria to author rise cloud seating
operations in the state, where one you have to have
an approved concept of operations, improved materials, and also you
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have to have what are called suspension criteria, meaning if
ever there is a risk of flooding, if reservoirs village
is a risk, then you have to stop operating. And
a day before there was any flash flood warning, our
meteorologist proactively suspended operations before even that regulatory threshold from
the state of Texas. So again, all of our operations
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were well within bounds from the state regulations and also
had nothing to do with the flooding.
Speaker 16 (26:32):
There is the aquifer situation. I hear in Texas, Oklahoma
and other places and maybe even Arizona are kind of
in a crisis. At least they were a couple of
years ago that droughts, different droughts have been so bad
that the aquifers were most of the water is obviously
people use in the store in the wells because of
real estate development and expansion. Is that one of the
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issues here? Why your service is used.
Speaker 19 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The aquifers, namely the Ogalala in Texas
are radically drawn down. The Colorado River is very much
over allocated, and so now cities like Phoenix, Arizona are
turning off water to residences periodically because they just don't
have enough. Farms Throughout Utah, Texas, New Mexico, et cetera
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are actually being paid by the state to not farm
because the state doesn't want them to consume the water.
And so rain makers mission is when there is need
for water to produce it to stop the collapse of
the American West, not just our environments, but also our
agricultural interests, and also to enable the growth or at
least maintain the population of all of these Western cities
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and states.
Speaker 16 (27:42):
We said, the collapse of the West too. I take
it might understand these fairly rudimentary, but agriculture is still
right now the least efficient use of water. It's not
that we don't need agriculture.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
We do.
Speaker 16 (27:54):
But when we look at industrial we look at home.
That is it agriculture that's considered the least inefficient. How
the agriculture community uses it.
Speaker 19 (28:03):
You know, agriculture far and away is the biggest consumer
of water, and that's absolutely true. Over time, they've become
more efficient. I think that with things like drip irrigation,
it's gotten a lot better. But I don't think that
it's appropriate to think that, you know, agriculture is to
blame for water scarcity in the American West, right, Like,
I am in favor of more American farms and more growing,
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and I think that we should have an abundance mindset
and consider cloud seating insofar as it is safely regulated
and not just anybody can do it. I think the
cloud seating is one way to facilitate more abundant farming
and more abundant cities in drought ridden areas of the world.
And also it's worth noting that it's not just the
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United States and it's not just rain Maker that does this.
I think it's in America's interest to continue doing it
because other states around the world, like China, invests one
point four billion dollars a year into their program to
produce more water for their farms, for their hydro electric
to resupply their reservoirs. And if we don't do it,
then not only will the United States not have the
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capacity for it, but China will have the biggest program
in the world by orders of magnitude.
Speaker 16 (29:12):
If China is one point four billion, what's the equivalent
of the US what's our total?
Speaker 19 (29:17):
Roughly, the United States federal government spent two point four billion,
two point four million dollars. Excuse me, last year on
cloud seeting.
Speaker 16 (29:27):
On the closs, you said during the evolution itself, you
guys you have a regulatory apparatus of what it tells
you can do and monitors that you said, you guys
voluntarily took down and stopped because I think you were
cloud seeting on the second of July, right, you took
it down and didn't do it on the third. That's
when the storm hit that night. I guess overnight no
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one in the regulatory apparatus came to Because one of
the questions people have, and you can see it right
there with the governor, what is the regulatory you know,
chain of for this apparatus. You got National Weather Service,
but you also have local you got state who's in charge?
Who is kind of watching it? I mean, did anybody
come to you or did you guys just voluntarily say
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this looks like it could be bad, No need to
no need to continue a cloud seat.
Speaker 19 (30:16):
Yeah, so Rainmaker acted proactively in suspended operations before the
National Weather Service issued any warnings that would have constituted
suspension criteria per the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations statutes.
Now that being said, I think that there ought to
be more regulation on cloud seating to ensure that it's
done safely. I think that there should be way more
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transparency in the industry, and I'm actively trying to both
on x right now and on platforms like yours. And
thank you again for having me advocate for more regulations
so that people do know what's going on and so
that people can trust that it's being done safely.
Speaker 16 (30:53):
Well that you know people obviously that you got the
natural process. And then once people say we're going to
use technology, what is it either about your competitors the
industry overall that you're concerned about, either processes that you're
concerned about and or transparency. What are you pushing for
that certain processes you shouldn't be done in cloud seating
or there should be more transparency about how everybody does this.
Speaker 19 (31:17):
So yeah, I think there absolutely should be more transparency
and one way in which we could do that is
expand upon the Weather Modification Reporting Act of nineteen seventy two.
So right now, if you want to conduct a cloud
seating operation, the only federal oversight for it is a
notification to Noah that you're going to conduct weather modification,
and then also a report on what your operations consisted of.
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But I think there needs to be much more rigorous
analysis of the effect of cloud seating from Noah or
some institution like the Beerau of Reclamation, which is responsible
for water in the West, because there should be accountability
and a manner by which people can scrutinize what the
effects have been. Right now, there's no process like that
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in the federal governments to enable scrutiny and oversight, and
if there was, I think people would rightfully feel more
trusting of it.
Speaker 16 (32:09):
Let me go back just the term weather modification. You
have this issue of transhumanism, and you have a different
technologies artificial general intelligence, regenitive robotics, quantum computing, crisper. All
these things say people are saying what we're heading towards
a point called the singularity, and that's kind of man
taking an active role in what heretofore has been a
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natural process. And clearly there's big advantages, it's huge, great
things of AI, but there's also downside. The same with
chipping people. There's moral questions, ethical questions as someone that's
dedicated his life not just to the industry, but then
to go out to investors and say, hey, this is
a smart thing to do, we need to do this.
Do you have qualms or is there issues when you
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talk about weather modification, like, for instance, why should the
weather be why should you have modifications? It's just the weather.
Just let it just let it have happened.
Speaker 19 (33:02):
Totally here where you're coming from. Do you remember that
Ross to Fat Peter Teel interview that blew up recently
where Ross asked him like, do you believe that the
human race, the race, the human race, should persist? And
Peter paused and waited to respond to that.
Speaker 16 (33:18):
Yeah, I do. But you know, Peter's got a deep
moral compass on certain things, other things like particularly innocracy.
We don't totally agree.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
That.
Speaker 16 (33:29):
Is that your Is that your pause? Is this your
pregnant pause?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No, not not at all.
Speaker 19 (33:33):
I want to say on equivocally, I'm interested in the
persistence of humanity, and not only that, you know, I
am a Christian. I was lucky enough to be saved
when I was twenty years old while I was living
in Fort Worth. I didn't grow up Christian. I grew
up an atheist. But the guiding principle at Rainmaker is stewardship.
Right in Genesis one twenty six through twenty eight and
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then also throughout the Psalms. One of the very first
commandments that God ever gave us in the garden of
Eden before the fall was to take dominion and steward
the earth that sees the skies and everything therein. And
so I think that there is a aspect of human
nature which is both inclined to and responsible to, responsible
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for making nature, or rather working with nature to steward
it for our interest and creations itself, to honor God.
And so I think, not only is it something good
to do, is cloud seating something good to do because
it can help us produce water for farms in need.
But as long as there are droughts, as long as
there is severe weather, as long as there is hail,
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it does damage. And we have the technology to manage
it to mitigate the damage done by it. If we're
not deploying it then we're actually abdicating our responsibility to
God to steward the creation that He gave us. And
that's the perspective that I have as a Christian when
I think about whether modification and whether we should be
doing it.
Speaker 16 (34:57):
I'm more of a New Testament guy. So in the
New Testament in Mark, I think it's thirteen, when the
disciples and apostles come back. Crisis sent them out to
teach and to heal, and they come back and they say, hey,
we've healed these people. We've done this. And he says, well,
that sounds great. He says no. They say it comes
from Beelz above and that your power comes from that.
And he makes a comment to me said, there's only
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one unforgivable sin, and that is the blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
There's only one mortal sin, and that is to basically,
you know, blaspheme the Holy Spirit. People would say, the
Holy Spirit is what enervates, is what the energy of
the spirit that came through Christ, you know, from the
time he was baptized by John the Baptist, and that
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that's the guide and principle. We talked about this and
transhumanists would that make you rethink it if you felt
you were going against the tenets of the Holy Spirit
and how the Holy Spirit works through the world and
particularly the natural world.
Speaker 19 (35:54):
If if someone were to present to me theological arguments
as to why this was not in God's interest or
why this was wrong and blaspheming goddence of manner, I
would stop immediately. I would shut the doors of my company.
I would want to participate in that in no way
right Like, I'm very concerned with heaven and hell and
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living a life that is to the extent possible without sin,
and so you know, I'm always open to discourse about it.
I haven't yet been convinced that it's against God's interests
to try to make creation better. But I also think
the Tower of Babel is a story we should consider
very seriously and cautiously. Right, whenever man is inclined to
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make himself God or make himself too much like God
without the humility that we're supposed to have, there can
be bad outcomes. And so I try to manage this
company in this technology very prayerfully, and that's why I proactively,
as a business owner, am advocating for more regulation on
the technology in the industry, so that we can ensure
it's done safely, and so that we can ensure it's
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done in the interests of both our country, are farmers
in our country, God and all of His creation.
Speaker 16 (37:05):
You have control of your company. Are you certain there
weren't other people cloud seating, particularly some of maybe these
methods that you question or with lack of transparency, do
you think anybody, because here's what happened. You had this
horrific thing on Friday, July fourth in the Hill Country
of Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Then on.
Speaker 16 (37:25):
Sunday down in Southern Pines, North Carolina, Pinehurst and all
the way up to Chapel Hill. You really had a
biblical In fact, people in the Southern Pines Pinehurst area
and central North Carolina was saying people have been there
for thirty years, had never seen rain like this. It
just seems odd that within forty eight hours, right, and
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we don't believe in coincidence here you had these two
kind of biblical, biblical downpourings. Do you think in any
way could be associated with people doing geo engineering.
Speaker 19 (38:00):
Of as yet not seen any evidence to suggest that
any flooding in North Carolina or again Texas had to
do with cloud seating or geoengineering. Now that said, I
think that if we as a country, be it through Noah,
the National Weather Service, private institutions, or otherwise have a
better forecasting capacity, if we invest in researching the atmosphere
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more so that we can forecast farther into the future
warn people sooner, then we'll be able to alert people
at the very least of these impending calamities and then
potentially mitigate them in the future. Now that being said
as well, there should be more federal oversight, absolutely, because
if there is something going on that is nefarious or
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that's just grossly negligent, it should stop and be held
to account. And again, a lot of people, maybe my
lawyers would scrutinize me for saying that people contributing to
calamities like this should be held to account, But I
earnestly believe that, and I'm willing to say it because
I know that rain Maker and to my knowledge, no
other cloud seating companies are responsible for those floods.
Speaker 16 (39:06):
Last question, since you mentioned the lawyers, you saw the
raw emotion that you were here, we had you up.
You saw the raw emotion with Governor Abbott, and it
happened earlier today in the in the other press conference,
and people, you know, because look it's been since Friday morning.
People are tired that this is this is a horrific
not just event, but the recovery process is horrific. I mean,
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do you worry that as this thing goes investigations and
lawsuits are that everything that you wanted to do and
felt you were doing altruistically for the betterment of mankind
you may end up in you know, depositions and hearings, commissions,
all of it as they try to get to and
as you know, they're bad actors. In fact, they said
the other day and one of the press conferences, they're
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not giving the names of the victims, particularly the little
girls at Mystic because and this is one of the
director are operations said people were actually calling the parents
and saying, I have your child here, but you guys
send me you got to wire me money, or people
were saying I've had a vision or I'm a mystic
and I can tell you exactly where they're calling out
for you. Horrific things like this that no parent should
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have visited on them. So my point is there's demonic
people out there. They're bad actors out there, are you
concerned that everything you've tried to do altruistically for the
betterment of mankind in your view, may turn out to
be something that just keeps you tied up for years
walking through the events of July second, third, fourth of
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twenty twenty five.
Speaker 19 (40:37):
Yeah, I can't imagine what the people of Texas are feeling,
particularly the parents and those that lost family members or
friends in the floods, And so I'm sympathetic. Obviously again
still can't understand, but I'm sympathetic to how emotions are
running high right now, how people are looking for escapegoat
or someone to blame of that, I'm understanding. And again,
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even though we didn't have anything to do with it,
I understand where people might be coming from in this moment,
and I'm trying to transparently and honestly and quickly answer
as many questions from the public as I can about
this now. That said, it would be a tragedy as
well if farmers and people were deprived of water that
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they could have otherwise from cloud seating, because people want
to capitalize politically on this tragedy to rally their base
around some sort of legislation or investigation that would ban
cloud seating entirely. And so, even though I think that
that would be a bad outcome, I trust in the
United States, in people's ability to scrutinize evidence. I trust
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in probably not our government writ large, but in the
best possible outcome over the course of time. And so
though there is a lot of controversy about this right now,
though I think some people are trying to politically capitalize
on the tragedy with unfounded claims acusations, I think that
the truth will always come to light, and that cloud
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seating will be technology that we can use cautiously and
for the benefit of all any kind.
Speaker 16 (42:10):
Last thing, Tuesday, eight of July, in the Year of
a Lord, twenty twenty five, at five point forty in
the evening, you still believe in your heart and in
your soul the weather modification and geoengineering are are something
that we should pursue as a country.
Speaker 19 (42:27):
Weather modification and cloud seating, Yes, and my heart and
my soul, I do geoengineering. Dimming the sun. Things with
global climatic implications I think deserve a lot more caution
and scrutiny because we don't have eighty years of data
on what their effects would be. But cloud seating itself, Yes,
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in my heart and in my soul. Absolutely.
Speaker 16 (42:51):
Augustus DERICKI thank you so much for coming on. Where
do people follow you? I know you want to get
your message out. The best way to do that obviously
social media and coming on shows like this. Where do
people follow you, sir? And where do they go? I
want to make sure they go to your company site
and check it out.
Speaker 19 (43:05):
So where they go, sure they can go to rain
nagger dot com for more information on our company, and
then also on x A Dorico that's at A d
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Speaker 16 (43:19):
Augustusto Rico, thank you very much for joining us in
the WOROM on a very intense afternoon. Thank you, sir,
Thank you so much. Do I have Natalie? We had
to change shift because Dave Brad's going to do the
Matt Gates Show, and okay, we'll get Natalie up in
a second. Do I have Philip Patrick. We're kind of
juggling here because we took a long for the Abbott conference,
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but I thought it was very a lustrative of the
raw emotions that are now starting to come to the surface.
Philip Patrick joins us from Rio Philip, you brought me
a long memo this afternoon. Why don't you we got
some time. Why don't you you break it down as
we leave here? You know, you leave the conference Balsonar.
(44:02):
President Trump threw down hard on bolscenario yesterday. But the
political situation, the law fer situation, Lula's at the center
of this, although it's the judge Mauricis that's doing it.
But tell me about his handling of the of the
Bricks conference and your thoughts as you get ready to
leave where we are are on all this?
Speaker 20 (44:25):
Yeah, I mean last time, I think it was Monday, Monday,
I was on last and we were talking about how
the entire conference at that point was covert, right, it
was de dollarization without mentioning the dollar explicitly. It was
trade security without talking about tariffs. And then I think
it was an hour after after our last interview, everything changed, right, Obviously,
President Trump came out overnight and posted a warning to
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bricks nations ten percent tariffs on any nation if they
continue to bypass the dollar. And Lula's response was swift
and it was unusually direct, I would say, but the
verbiage was was interesting. He said that President Trump's message
was very mistaken and irresponsible, and then he went on
to say, and I thought this was telling. He said, look,
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the world has changed. We don't want an emperor. We
are sovereign countries. And he said there is no going back.
Reducing dependence on the dollar will happen step by step
until it's consolidated.
Speaker 17 (45:22):
So what was.
Speaker 20 (45:24):
Perhaps covert before is now in the open. The bricks
have made their intentions clear, and they sort of brought
it to the forefront. And we've been seeing it China
and Russia striking deals in yuan and rubles, Brazil and
Venezuela bypassing the dollar for regional commerce. So it's happening,
and it's at the forefront. You know the message I
send you. I spent a lot of time thinking last night,
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what do we do about this? How do we fix
the situation? And I think the answer is not to panic,
but rather to prepare. Right, we have to remember the
dollar remains the global reserve currency for a reason, right,
and that is trust, its depth, its credibility. What we've
been seeing out here is that trust is eroding, not
just because of our rivals, but because of what we've
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done domestically as well. Right, so, in terms of a plan,
I don't know how much time I have here, Steve,
so sort of hang on.
Speaker 16 (46:17):
You're going to have all the time. This this is
incredibly important. We're gonna take a short commercial break and
bring you back. We don't have to cover. We're trying
to get you in before the press conference is going
to take place in Curveville, but the government stepped up
and did one that took place earlier, so we got
the six o'clock hour. Philip Patrick is with us from Rio.
Folks a very big deal down there, and they kind
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of laid their cards on the table. It ain't going
to happen overnight, but they're saying it's going to happen
the end of the dollar empire, according to them. Philip Patrick. Next,
also Joe Levannie. I'm trying to get Joe in from
Treasury talk all about this. Next in the order, here's
(47:00):
your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Bath.
Speaker 16 (47:04):
Okay, Philip Patrick is going to stick with us and
into the six o'clock hour. Natalie's also here. We're gonna
get her comments on the on the rain Maker situation.
I want to go to Joe Lavernia. Now over at
Treasury Council, Special Council to the Secretary Treasury. You've had
the tariff situation, President Trump. You know, you had this
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two and a half hour I think, cabinet meeting today,
the whole cabinet meeting. Most of it has done publicly.
President Trump's talking about tariffs. We got we got letters
going out to Korea, south to Japan. You guys, now
a Treasury are executing on the big beautiful bill. Right
the task goots all the the industrial side of it,
for the supply side. Where is where are the tariffs
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fit into this entire strategy, sir? Because I think there's
a little confuting, But look, we love tariff's where the
tariff guys, we'd love it what President Trump's doing. But
we're little is it?
Speaker 21 (47:57):
Yeah, sure, steve it, So thank you again. It's a
very integrated, holistic approach. So the tariffs are used as
an incentive to bring capital and moneys back to the US.
And as you know from all the deals that have
been announced all over the world, there's trillions of dollars
that are coming in. So the tariffs are incentive to
get capital to the US. But when you bring the
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capital to the us. You're also going to benefit from
low corporate rates, cheap and abundant.
Speaker 22 (48:22):
Energy, and very pro growth tax policy.
Speaker 21 (48:26):
So everything kind of works works together, and that's how
you're going to reindustrialize.
Speaker 22 (48:30):
On the tariffs, what we could say are two things
very important.
Speaker 21 (48:32):
Number one, Steve, we could raise upwards of three hundred billion.
I mean, the numbers keep going up every month, like
to run the third week of the month. You get
the customs payment that tends to be the biggest, so
we're ratcheting higher. I mean, we may have three hundred
billion in calendar year revenues this year, which is massive.
CBO has scored potentially getting two point eight trillion over
the next ten years.
Speaker 22 (48:52):
That's not part of their official scoring. So the tariffs right.
Speaker 21 (48:55):
Now we know are raising tremendous amounts of money. The
other point, which is very important, is that my colleagues
over accountcy Coomic Advisors have done incredible work that shows
actually if you look at the price of imported goods,
those prices have actually declined, which is remarkable. Declined in
both the personal consumption that expendishers deflator which is that
the FED follows or the more popular at least in
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the Main Street Consumer Price Index, where the imported goods
prices not only haven't risen, they've actually declined, So we're
not seeing any inflation to this point, which tells us
that foreign producers are absorbing it in their margins, which
makes sense because US is the world's largest, the most
important consumer for about thirty five percent of global consumption
or somewhere around there.
Speaker 16 (49:37):
I think the Secretary also said I think one hundred
band has already been collected, which is just espressly stunning.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's correct.
Speaker 16 (49:45):
I want to pivot. We got Philip Patrick and our
team from Birch Gold have covered for four or five
days the reset, and initially they were just doing they
were trying to hide it. They didn't want to talk dedellarisation.
They were doing these bilateral deals and saying it's all
for free trade. President Trump came out as President Trump's
want to do and say, Yo, if you're doing sign
a frame. This brick's nonsense. I'm going to add another
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ten percent or more to the tariffs already, and that
chilled things. But I think Lula came out and made
a statement said hey, it's not going to happen overnight,
but it's happening. We're moving away from this. We don't
believe that one system for currency is good for our nations.
Any initial response to first off, do you believe that
the bricks nation can actually move off the dollar as
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the pre reserve currency?
Speaker 6 (50:29):
Now?
Speaker 22 (50:29):
Certainly not.
Speaker 21 (50:30):
And President Trump, as you know, Steve, is a tremendous negotiator.
You saw what happened with Canada with the digital tax
they want to impose, and also when the President has
threatened significant tariffs on the EU, they quickly backed away.
The fact is, when you look at the data, it
shows that demand for US assets has never been higher.
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It's in our own official data that we put out
every month, and it's in various private sector reports that
showed tremendous capital inflows to the US.
Speaker 22 (50:58):
It's still the world's reserve currency.
Speaker 21 (51:00):
As Secretary Best and it said many times, the dollar's
demise has been greatly exaggerated that people have been saying
this since right after the Second World War.
Speaker 22 (51:08):
We've got the reserve currency.
Speaker 21 (51:09):
We're going to have the strongest, most dynamic economy in
the world, with the fastest growth rate among all the
industrialized countries. Inflations falling, as I mentioned, earlier, got all
these huge capital commitments that are coming in. I mean
that's the sign of dollar strength that will persist as
long as President Trump's policies are in place.
Speaker 16 (51:27):
Joe, last question. You're one of the guys brought in
to help forecast this, put together the dashboard monitor, and
help execute it with the Secretary Treasury for the president.
Do you feel better, you know, four or five days
into this than you did last week when it was
up in the air. What was actually we were going
to close on? Or you feeling concerned?
Speaker 22 (51:49):
Steve, I'm an optimist.
Speaker 21 (51:50):
I learned that from my old boss and Trump one
point o, Larry Kudlow. I'm an optimist. I was always
I was kind of backing the president. He wanted a
July fourth and to speaker and leader a leader Thuon
and Speaker Johnson. They've do great working with Treasury secretary,
best setting moving the ball.
Speaker 22 (52:06):
Down the field. So I was optimistic.
Speaker 21 (52:09):
I thought was going to get done on July fourth,
and just as the President wanted, it got done. And
a mixing more confident because you know, all people talk
about all the uncertainty the tariffs, but I think they
missed or they missed now is the uncertainty the tax
policy had posed. Companies have not been able to plan
for the OUTLOK because they didn't know. I they're going
to get a huge tax hike.
Speaker 22 (52:26):
Nexture, with the biggest ever.
Speaker 21 (52:27):
Now that we've got that certainty, yes, I'm much more
confident now that it's done that they're going to be
a second half growth boom, and I'm expecting to see
that in the data.
Speaker 22 (52:35):
We're going to get more cap X.
Speaker 21 (52:36):
Cap X is going to give you faster productivity, faster wages.
This blue collar wage boom that we've been talking about persist,
and it's going to be great, great news for Americans
all alike.
Speaker 16 (52:49):
By the way, Larry Kudlow has preached this for decades
and he finally got it. This is a massive supply
sited tax cut that's really going to drive things. I'm
glad to know one of his someone that was mentored
by him, is here in the war room. I know
it hurts you guys. Sometimes we'll talk about terroffs, but
you know, President Trump is the tariff guy. I tell
Larry all that all the time. Joe, Social media, Where
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do people go to keep up with your analysis? Forecast
all of it.
Speaker 22 (53:13):
Thank you, Steve at Lavornanamics.
Speaker 16 (53:17):
Joe, thank you so much. I'm so glad you're over
Treasury love having.
Speaker 22 (53:21):
Me on the shows. Thank you always pleasure, thank you.
Speaker 16 (53:26):
Uh my Patriot Supply still got Today's the last day
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You used to be regular thunderstorms from Man. That thing
in Texas in the Hill Country and also down in
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central North Carolina. I don't know, Man, different deal, felt
like a different deal. But there'll be people to go
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want to make sure that the war Room posse can
make contact because not only do you like the receipts,
you'd like to talk to a human being, Maybe ask
a couple three questions like we do here in the
war Room. Short commercial break, take you out with the
right stuff, going to bring you back with Philip Patrick
next
And I'm going to talk about two different things. The
first part of your question, and that is an an investigation.
We know where special sessions coming and about ten days.
That's where I would say word begins, ken Ley. Those
investigations will begin by both the House and Centate before
we go into session, so probably beginning later this week
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or the early part of the next week. Those big
committees formed that are already kind of working on ideas
about ways to address this second party question needs to
be addressed. You ask, and I'm going to use your words,
who's to blame?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Know this?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's the word choice of losers. Let me explain one
thing about Texas, and that is Texas. Every square inch
of our state cares about football. You could be in Hunt, Texas, Huntsville, Texas, Houston, Texas,
any size community they care about football, high school, Friday
(00:56):
night lights, college football, or pro and know this. Every
football team makes mistakes. The losing teams are the ones
that try to point out who's to blame. The championship
teams are the ones that say, don't worry about it, man,
we got this. We're gonna make sure that we go
score again, that we're going to win this game. The
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way winners talk is not to put fingers. They talk
about solutions. What Texas is all about is solutions. In fact,
I want to read you something that I received last
night that's worth emphasizing to put this in context. Tragedy
(01:43):
has come, that part is done. What we do now,
who we are now, that's what the story is still
being written. Let it be one of grace, of grit,
of fierce love and the face of grief. Let it
be the kind of story that proves that the Hill
(02:04):
Country may flood, but it does not fail.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Say what you will about Texas, but.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
When the rivers rise, so do we not with blame,
not with bitterness, but with boots on the ground, arms
around strangers, and hearts wide open. That's the Texas I know,
and that's the America that I believe in. Well, this
person wrote is what I know is true for all
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Texas and what we will achieve every single day.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Legislation to see the special sushi.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Part of the legislative process is policy.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Is not made in a vacuum. We have ideas.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've served on two investigatory committees out of the House
before I was Speaker, both Uvality and Panhandle wildfires. There
are things and things that we can talk about, but
it is too early to commit to know the specifics
until we actually talk to the members of the community
and hear what they think. Talk to the experts in
the field, talk to the first responders. That's what legislative
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hearings are for. We are ready to get started the legislators.
I talk to the members of the House and I
know the Senate are very interested in finding solutions to
not accept that we can't do better. But we will
have those hearings, we will synthesize what we get, and
we will come up with legislation that I believe will
make it to the Governor's desk and make us a stronger, better,
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more resilient Texas well.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So one thing that we're focused on is making sure
that we deliver the right solutions. One thing the Speaker
just said that's worth emphasizing, and that is that for
us to provide real solutions, we actually need to hear
from the people who are the ones most affected. The
ones most affected, they're dealing with the grievance of having
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lost a child, or lost a business, or otherwise have
their lives turn upside down. They don't have the capability
right now providing that information. We'll talk to local leaders importantly,
not just here but across the state, and we want
to make sure that we address what happened here. But
at the same time, we want to make sure that
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we are able to implement measures that are going to
be able to prevent loss in other regions going forward.
So we ever work out out for us, but I
know the members of the House and members of the Senate,
I know we'll work and get some meaningful things done.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So again, focus is and on trying to say, oh,
you did wrong or you should have done better. There.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
My job is to bring Texas and Texans together and
make sure that we immediately start delivering on solutions. You
talk about the heroic effort, and no one has seen
the level of response as what Texas has provided over
the past four days or so. And we continue to
maintain that response here while also going to the state
capital and working on around the clock responses there to
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make sure that we do deliver real solutions for these
people sitting right behind you. Sure, so your questions about
what local officials knew, you'd have to ask them, Well,
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the state was aware of the state was aware that
there was a possible serious flooding event days in advance,
and we prepositioned assets and resources and personnel.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And remember the flood began on Friday morning.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That we originally positioned those assets, resources of personnel on Wednesday,
than when greater clarity was discerned on Thursday, we moved
them closer, added and made sure that we had adequate
supply going into Friday, so we were ready with the
resources on the ground to be able to quickly response.
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Some people say, well, we responded so fast. One reason
we did respond fast is because we had assets here already.
That said, we didn't know the magnitude of the storm.
We knew that there was a flash flood warning, and
if you were a flash flood warning, no one would
know that that would be a thirty foot high tsunami
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wall of water. I don't think, but all I can
tell you is what the information we had, the state had,
and that we acted on, was information that catalyzed us
to begin putting assets and resources in place two days
before the event happened.
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this ten minutes. We twenty people in the eighties. It
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Speaker 5 (08:34):
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Speaker 6 (08:36):
I showed out we had people who were not certified.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
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Speaker 5 (08:46):
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Speaker 10 (08:47):
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we are strong. We came together and all we had
in people. You got infietrated, the lizards, we got in
the train the New Truth, and we were sold. We
have a certification because the.
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Speaker 6 (10:40):
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Speaker 11 (10:48):
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the sixteen kids we have had some.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
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Speaker 14 (11:06):
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Speaker 6 (11:11):
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Speaker 6 (11:45):
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Speaker 15 (11:55):
A very problem maybe at the ever. I know that,
but you've been working.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
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Speaker 6 (12:18):
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Speaker 12 (12:21):
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Speaker 5 (12:32):
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Speaker 14 (12:38):
They tell us to leaven about the Stubbs came out.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
You'll work at.
Speaker 16 (12:51):
The current little Texas keep and keep that sound up.
He's getting uh, I guess an absolute front of assault
appear as maybe a parent or something like that. The
governments sitting there. I think we're going in seven minutes.
I know it's tough to hear, but we're gonna cut
back to it. Just watch until the government response. You're
in the.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
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Speaker 2 (14:04):
Very good, We're not hm.
Speaker 11 (14:07):
We don't want people coming any pastus for a year.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You Well, so if I can say this, yeah, sure, I.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
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Speaker 5 (14:45):
Appreciate.
Speaker 14 (15:00):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, well it's a member of the
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community and the governments not.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I'm gonna I'm gonna connect you with someone. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Mh right, and I got the person for you. I'm
gonna give you her name, her number that you connect
with her.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But let me say this. You know, people talk about
how strong Texas is.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
People talk about how strong Texes Is is because of
people like you, people who don't wait around for orders
and instructions. Yeah, I started liking not just you, but
like you. We saw the exact same response in Hurricane Harvey.
People didn't wait for a boss to tell them what
to do. There was no time clock to check in
or check out.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They said they're getting getting out their own canoe, their
own kayak, and they're going to start helping neighbors before
the sun rose.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Up until after the sun set.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But all I wanted to let you know is the
spirit that lies within your heart and use the word
blood in your bloodstream you have in your blood?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What Texas is all about?
Speaker 16 (16:32):
And this is a press conference. It's kind of evolved
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into a I think some accusations are some personal thoughts
of it. Looks like somebody involved went on for about
ten or twelve minutes seeing it and all just cut
away from it. We're following it. Let's cut back. Please, okay,
don't need me, guys, Please keep the camera where it is.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 16 (17:25):
There we go, There we go. I think we got sound.
Let's cut into it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They're moving the camera.
Speaker 16 (17:33):
I'd rather have movement than looking at me. Let's get
over there. Say we get sound. Okay, folks. The biggest
reveal today we got a pack show. But the biggest
reveal I think a few minutes ago is that they
have now said the missing is one hundred and sixty one.
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This was Ben Berkwan. I gotta give a hat tip
to Ben Burkwan's question the other day how many missing?
Is it dozens? And you haven't put a number up?
Is it dozens or hundreds? And the guy remember answered
a lot. Didn't take the dozens. And now you know
why one hundred and sixty one. They're also from the
morning's press conference, there has not been a rescue of
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a living human being since Friday. And I think he
said Friday afternoon. Which is it hit at what four
o'clock in the morning or three thirty four o'clock, four
to thirty in the morning. Governor Abbott looks like they
may be praying over there. He wheeled over after taking
it sounded like an onslaught of I don't know if
accusations or information or point of view from a woman
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in the crowd. That sounds like she's either a victim
or knows the victims, or somehow was talking about the
community and Governor Abbott eventually decided to go over and
actually mingle with the crowd. He's got the kind of
head of the of some of the leadership of the
Texas Department. It looks like from this there's a lot
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more involvement in the state. I think taking control of
it's going to be a recovery effort. Looks like a
lot more input from the state. This was supposed to
take place at six o'clock our time. In fact, we
had the whole show wrapped around doing that. We're going
to continue with this picture. Let's bring in. Let's bring
in our is Dave Bratt with me. Dave Brett joins
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me my co host for today for a little while.
Natalie's going to join me in a little while to
take over the duty as co host. Dave Bratt, your assessment,
you're you were a professional politician. How do you think
Governor Abbott handled that looked like an onslaught sir.
Speaker 17 (19:42):
Yeah, I mean, speaking as a politician, I went to seminary,
you know, thirty years ago, and you know there's a
time for rational analysis that today's not that time. It's
it's time for pastoral care and to love the folks
and to listen Uh, and to be at the bedside
and in the short term, I mean, the devastation is huge,
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the families are torn apart.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (20:09):
The woman speaking was sharing her heart and so you know,
he was just listening, and that's you know, that's what
you should do. There's there's plenty of time for analysis
of all the public policy is just coming out. It's
it's too bad people are taking pot shots in the
short run already immediately after this, and you know, people
can make their analysis of who the fair players are.
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But it looked to me like he was just intently listening.
And it looks like he's got you know, people of
compassion around him praying afterwards. And uh, you know, so
that that it's the toughest job in the world on
a day like that. There's great days in politics when
things are going right, and then there's the toughest days
in the world. And he's in the middle of that.
Speaker 16 (20:52):
One of the women in the crowd or a reporter
I think not a woman crowds of who is to
play and he said, look, we're not we're not going.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
To go there.
Speaker 16 (21:00):
We're going to do on a complete assessment later. Now
now is the time to actually Uh, there's the governor.
Let's go back to Governor rabbit.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh, NIM could best ask that, Nim when when Wednesday
and Thursday before the Friday morning.
Speaker 18 (21:26):
I can't answer the wise. I'm not gonna answer the
wise you asked. When we were in contact. We started
having calls and messages on Wednesday from an area of
I thirty five out I ten, all the way to
where it touches I twenty, all the way back over
to where I twenty touches I thirty five. Again, that
is a large chunk of Texas that was anywhere in
the potential area of where this kind of rain.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Could have fallen. It picked this spot right here.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
All right, one more question, go ahead, Yeah, how's it go?
The man who's in charge of that assistance, chief m Kid.
She wants to know how long does it take to
get assistance?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
How long does it take to get assistance?
Speaker 18 (22:09):
So the disaster recovery centers will be published in the
morning of those locations. They can go to those locations
and start getting aid. There are plenty of volunteers that
are out there ready to offer aid right now in
addition to the federal assistance.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So you're saying that those centers will be open tomorrow morning.
Speaker 18 (22:21):
Yes, sir, soft we have the addresses. I need to
confirm them and then we'll put them out. They will
be publicized. They will be publicized, yes, ma'am, thank you all.
Speaker 16 (22:35):
Okay, right there, the governor and I don't think there's
going to be a six o'clock press conference. I think
they just started early, the governor stepping in and handling
it today. The big news, I think we're going to
count here. But the big news is that they have
announced a number that they haven't had before of a
missing of one hundred and sixty one folks still down
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in this area. Do we have Augustus as he's up,
let me go. I've got Augustus de Rico, CEO of Rainmaker. Augustus,
can you walk through, because there's been some controversy about
seating and geoengineering, can you take a minute and walk
through just what your company is, what it does, and
what have you been doing for the state of Texas.
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I take it by you've beenentertained. I take it by localities,
local governments, individual agriculture businesses to do something about the
lack of rain down there.
Speaker 19 (23:30):
Sure, yeah, well, thank you for having me on for one.
My heart and prayers are with everybody affected in Texas
and the entire state. I'm going to be down there
tomorrow trying to help as i can. I run a
company called Rainmaker that conducts cloud seating to make it
rain more for farms, for ecosystem restoration, for residential reservoirs
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when they're suffering from drought, and we work with municipalities
and farmers throughout Texas to when there is a drought
or there isn't enough water, make it rain more. We
unequivocally had nothing to do with the flooding that was
caused by the remnants of the tropical storm that blew
in and our biggest cloud seating missions to date have
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only produced ten million gallons of precipitation approximately, and that
tropical storm dumped about four trillion over the course of
two days. So the order of magnitude difference between what
cloud seating is even capable of and what happened is incomparable.
And again, I truly am heartbroken about what has happened,
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but want to make it abundantly clear that cloud seating
was not involved in any capacity and it's a technology
that is used to help farmers when there isn't enough water.
Speaker 16 (24:48):
Let me ask you to repeat that. Four tree and
you're saying four tree and gallons was dumped on that time.
I think they said ten inches in the Oh no,
excuse me, the river rose twenty six fe in forty
five minutes. I guess you're saying, in the entire time
of this storm that hit, there was over four tree
and gallons of water that was dumped onto the locale. Correct.
Speaker 19 (25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (25:13):
And cloud seeing is cloud seeing? Is that small?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
What is?
Speaker 16 (25:16):
What's the purpose? What a farmer they're they're doing it
when they're that desperate, when when there's been like a
drought for a while.
Speaker 19 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll cloud seed either to try to
fill up aqua first preemptively or when there is a drought.
They not only use it for aquafer recharge in farming
in Texas, but municipalities throughout Utah and Idaho also use it.
This technology was invented in the United States in the
nineteen forties, and only because of recent advents in radar
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technology are we able to measure exactly what the results
from it are. And that's what Rainmaker has been doing
for the state of Texas and other states about the country.
It's also worth noting quickly that the Texas Department of
Licensing and Regulation has criteria to author rise cloud seating
operations in the state, where one you have to have
an approved concept of operations, improved materials, and also you
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have to have what are called suspension criteria, meaning if
ever there is a risk of flooding, if reservoirs village
is a risk, then you have to stop operating. And
a day before there was any flash flood warning, our
meteorologist proactively suspended operations before even that regulatory threshold from
the state of Texas. So again, all of our operations
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were well within bounds from the state regulations and also
had nothing to do with the flooding.
Speaker 16 (26:32):
There is the aquifer situation. I hear in Texas, Oklahoma
and other places and maybe even Arizona are kind of
in a crisis. At least they were a couple of
years ago that droughts, different droughts have been so bad
that the aquifers were most of the water is obviously
people use in the store in the wells because of
real estate development and expansion. Is that one of the
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issues here? Why your service is used.
Speaker 19 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The aquifers, namely the Ogalala in Texas
are radically drawn down. The Colorado River is very much
over allocated, and so now cities like Phoenix, Arizona are
turning off water to residences periodically because they just don't
have enough. Farms Throughout Utah, Texas, New Mexico, et cetera
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are actually being paid by the state to not farm
because the state doesn't want them to consume the water.
And so rain makers mission is when there is need
for water to produce it to stop the collapse of
the American West, not just our environments, but also our
agricultural interests, and also to enable the growth or at
least maintain the population of all of these Western cities
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and states.
Speaker 16 (27:42):
We said, the collapse of the West too. I take
it might understand these fairly rudimentary, but agriculture is still
right now the least efficient use of water. It's not
that we don't need agriculture.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
We do.
Speaker 16 (27:54):
But when we look at industrial we look at home.
That is it agriculture that's considered the least inefficient. How
the agriculture community uses it.
Speaker 19 (28:03):
You know, agriculture far and away is the biggest consumer
of water, and that's absolutely true. Over time, they've become
more efficient. I think that with things like drip irrigation,
it's gotten a lot better. But I don't think that
it's appropriate to think that, you know, agriculture is to
blame for water scarcity in the American West, right, Like,
I am in favor of more American farms and more growing,
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and I think that we should have an abundance mindset
and consider cloud seating insofar as it is safely regulated
and not just anybody can do it. I think the
cloud seating is one way to facilitate more abundant farming
and more abundant cities in drought ridden areas of the world.
And also it's worth noting that it's not just the
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United States and it's not just rain Maker that does this.
I think it's in America's interest to continue doing it
because other states around the world, like China, invests one
point four billion dollars a year into their program to
produce more water for their farms, for their hydro electric
to resupply their reservoirs. And if we don't do it,
then not only will the United States not have the
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capacity for it, but China will have the biggest program
in the world by orders of magnitude.
Speaker 16 (29:12):
If China is one point four billion, what's the equivalent
of the US what's our total?
Speaker 19 (29:17):
Roughly, the United States federal government spent two point four billion,
two point four million dollars. Excuse me, last year on
cloud seeting.
Speaker 16 (29:27):
On the closs, you said during the evolution itself, you
guys you have a regulatory apparatus of what it tells
you can do and monitors that you said, you guys
voluntarily took down and stopped because I think you were
cloud seeting on the second of July, right, you took
it down and didn't do it on the third. That's
when the storm hit that night. I guess overnight no
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one in the regulatory apparatus came to Because one of
the questions people have, and you can see it right
there with the governor, what is the regulatory you know,
chain of for this apparatus. You got National Weather Service,
but you also have local you got state who's in charge?
Who is kind of watching it? I mean, did anybody
come to you or did you guys just voluntarily say
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this looks like it could be bad, No need to
no need to continue a cloud seat.
Speaker 19 (30:16):
Yeah, so Rainmaker acted proactively in suspended operations before the
National Weather Service issued any warnings that would have constituted
suspension criteria per the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations statutes.
Now that being said, I think that there ought to
be more regulation on cloud seating to ensure that it's
done safely. I think that there should be way more
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transparency in the industry, and I'm actively trying to both
on x right now and on platforms like yours. And
thank you again for having me advocate for more regulations
so that people do know what's going on and so
that people can trust that it's being done safely.
Speaker 16 (30:53):
Well that you know people obviously that you got the
natural process. And then once people say we're going to
use technology, what is it either about your competitors the
industry overall that you're concerned about, either processes that you're
concerned about and or transparency. What are you pushing for
that certain processes you shouldn't be done in cloud seating
or there should be more transparency about how everybody does this.
Speaker 19 (31:17):
So yeah, I think there absolutely should be more transparency
and one way in which we could do that is
expand upon the Weather Modification Reporting Act of nineteen seventy two.
So right now, if you want to conduct a cloud
seating operation, the only federal oversight for it is a
notification to Noah that you're going to conduct weather modification,
and then also a report on what your operations consisted of.
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But I think there needs to be much more rigorous
analysis of the effect of cloud seating from Noah or
some institution like the Beerau of Reclamation, which is responsible
for water in the West, because there should be accountability
and a manner by which people can scrutinize what the
effects have been. Right now, there's no process like that
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in the federal governments to enable scrutiny and oversight, and
if there was, I think people would rightfully feel more
trusting of it.
Speaker 16 (32:09):
Let me go back just the term weather modification. You
have this issue of transhumanism, and you have a different
technologies artificial general intelligence, regenitive robotics, quantum computing, crisper. All
these things say people are saying what we're heading towards
a point called the singularity, and that's kind of man
taking an active role in what heretofore has been a
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natural process. And clearly there's big advantages, it's huge, great
things of AI, but there's also downside. The same with
chipping people. There's moral questions, ethical questions as someone that's
dedicated his life not just to the industry, but then
to go out to investors and say, hey, this is
a smart thing to do, we need to do this.
Do you have qualms or is there issues when you
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talk about weather modification, like, for instance, why should the
weather be why should you have modifications? It's just the weather.
Just let it just let it have happened.
Speaker 19 (33:02):
Totally here where you're coming from. Do you remember that
Ross to Fat Peter Teel interview that blew up recently
where Ross asked him like, do you believe that the
human race, the race, the human race, should persist? And
Peter paused and waited to respond to that.
Speaker 16 (33:18):
Yeah, I do. But you know, Peter's got a deep
moral compass on certain things, other things like particularly innocracy.
We don't totally agree.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
That.
Speaker 16 (33:29):
Is that your Is that your pause? Is this your
pregnant pause?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No, not not at all.
Speaker 19 (33:33):
I want to say on equivocally, I'm interested in the
persistence of humanity, and not only that, you know, I
am a Christian. I was lucky enough to be saved
when I was twenty years old while I was living
in Fort Worth. I didn't grow up Christian. I grew
up an atheist. But the guiding principle at Rainmaker is stewardship.
Right in Genesis one twenty six through twenty eight and
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then also throughout the Psalms. One of the very first
commandments that God ever gave us in the garden of
Eden before the fall was to take dominion and steward
the earth that sees the skies and everything therein. And
so I think that there is a aspect of human
nature which is both inclined to and responsible to, responsible
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for making nature, or rather working with nature to steward
it for our interest and creations itself, to honor God.
And so I think, not only is it something good
to do, is cloud seating something good to do because
it can help us produce water for farms in need.
But as long as there are droughts, as long as
there is severe weather, as long as there is hail,
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it does damage. And we have the technology to manage
it to mitigate the damage done by it. If we're
not deploying it then we're actually abdicating our responsibility to
God to steward the creation that He gave us. And
that's the perspective that I have as a Christian when
I think about whether modification and whether we should be
doing it.
Speaker 16 (34:57):
I'm more of a New Testament guy. So in the
New Testament in Mark, I think it's thirteen, when the
disciples and apostles come back. Crisis sent them out to
teach and to heal, and they come back and they say, hey,
we've healed these people. We've done this. And he says, well,
that sounds great. He says no. They say it comes
from Beelz above and that your power comes from that.
And he makes a comment to me said, there's only
(35:20):
one unforgivable sin, and that is the blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
There's only one mortal sin, and that is to basically,
you know, blaspheme the Holy Spirit. People would say, the
Holy Spirit is what enervates, is what the energy of
the spirit that came through Christ, you know, from the
time he was baptized by John the Baptist, and that
(35:40):
that's the guide and principle. We talked about this and
transhumanists would that make you rethink it if you felt
you were going against the tenets of the Holy Spirit
and how the Holy Spirit works through the world and
particularly the natural world.
Speaker 19 (35:54):
If if someone were to present to me theological arguments
as to why this was not in God's interest or
why this was wrong and blaspheming goddence of manner, I
would stop immediately. I would shut the doors of my company.
I would want to participate in that in no way
right Like, I'm very concerned with heaven and hell and
(36:16):
living a life that is to the extent possible without sin,
and so you know, I'm always open to discourse about it.
I haven't yet been convinced that it's against God's interests
to try to make creation better. But I also think
the Tower of Babel is a story we should consider
very seriously and cautiously. Right, whenever man is inclined to
(36:36):
make himself God or make himself too much like God
without the humility that we're supposed to have, there can
be bad outcomes. And so I try to manage this
company in this technology very prayerfully, and that's why I proactively,
as a business owner, am advocating for more regulation on
the technology in the industry, so that we can ensure
it's done safely, and so that we can ensure it's
(36:57):
done in the interests of both our country, are farmers
in our country, God and all of His creation.
Speaker 16 (37:05):
You have control of your company. Are you certain there
weren't other people cloud seating, particularly some of maybe these
methods that you question or with lack of transparency, do
you think anybody, because here's what happened. You had this
horrific thing on Friday, July fourth in the Hill Country
of Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Then on.
Speaker 16 (37:25):
Sunday down in Southern Pines, North Carolina, Pinehurst and all
the way up to Chapel Hill. You really had a
biblical In fact, people in the Southern Pines Pinehurst area
and central North Carolina was saying people have been there
for thirty years, had never seen rain like this. It
just seems odd that within forty eight hours, right, and
(37:47):
we don't believe in coincidence here you had these two
kind of biblical, biblical downpourings. Do you think in any
way could be associated with people doing geo engineering.
Speaker 19 (38:00):
Of as yet not seen any evidence to suggest that
any flooding in North Carolina or again Texas had to
do with cloud seating or geoengineering. Now that said, I
think that if we as a country, be it through Noah,
the National Weather Service, private institutions, or otherwise have a
better forecasting capacity, if we invest in researching the atmosphere
(38:22):
more so that we can forecast farther into the future
warn people sooner, then we'll be able to alert people
at the very least of these impending calamities and then
potentially mitigate them in the future. Now that being said
as well, there should be more federal oversight, absolutely, because
if there is something going on that is nefarious or
(38:44):
that's just grossly negligent, it should stop and be held
to account. And again, a lot of people, maybe my
lawyers would scrutinize me for saying that people contributing to
calamities like this should be held to account, But I
earnestly believe that, and I'm willing to say it because
I know that rain Maker and to my knowledge, no
other cloud seating companies are responsible for those floods.
Speaker 16 (39:06):
Last question, since you mentioned the lawyers, you saw the
raw emotion that you were here, we had you up.
You saw the raw emotion with Governor Abbott, and it
happened earlier today in the in the other press conference,
and people, you know, because look it's been since Friday morning.
People are tired that this is this is a horrific
not just event, but the recovery process is horrific. I mean,
(39:30):
do you worry that as this thing goes investigations and
lawsuits are that everything that you wanted to do and
felt you were doing altruistically for the betterment of mankind
you may end up in you know, depositions and hearings, commissions,
all of it as they try to get to and
as you know, they're bad actors. In fact, they said
the other day and one of the press conferences, they're
(39:52):
not giving the names of the victims, particularly the little
girls at Mystic because and this is one of the
director are operations said people were actually calling the parents
and saying, I have your child here, but you guys
send me you got to wire me money, or people
were saying I've had a vision or I'm a mystic
and I can tell you exactly where they're calling out
for you. Horrific things like this that no parent should
(40:14):
have visited on them. So my point is there's demonic
people out there. They're bad actors out there, are you
concerned that everything you've tried to do altruistically for the
betterment of mankind in your view, may turn out to
be something that just keeps you tied up for years
walking through the events of July second, third, fourth of
(40:36):
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 19 (40:37):
Yeah, I can't imagine what the people of Texas are feeling,
particularly the parents and those that lost family members or
friends in the floods, And so I'm sympathetic. Obviously again
still can't understand, but I'm sympathetic to how emotions are
running high right now, how people are looking for escapegoat
or someone to blame of that, I'm understanding. And again,
(40:59):
even though we didn't have anything to do with it,
I understand where people might be coming from in this moment,
and I'm trying to transparently and honestly and quickly answer
as many questions from the public as I can about
this now. That said, it would be a tragedy as
well if farmers and people were deprived of water that
(41:20):
they could have otherwise from cloud seating, because people want
to capitalize politically on this tragedy to rally their base
around some sort of legislation or investigation that would ban
cloud seating entirely. And so, even though I think that
that would be a bad outcome, I trust in the
United States, in people's ability to scrutinize evidence. I trust
(41:43):
in probably not our government writ large, but in the
best possible outcome over the course of time. And so
though there is a lot of controversy about this right now,
though I think some people are trying to politically capitalize
on the tragedy with unfounded claims acusations, I think that
the truth will always come to light, and that cloud
(42:04):
seating will be technology that we can use cautiously and
for the benefit of all any kind.
Speaker 16 (42:10):
Last thing, Tuesday, eight of July, in the Year of
a Lord, twenty twenty five, at five point forty in
the evening, you still believe in your heart and in
your soul the weather modification and geoengineering are are something
that we should pursue as a country.
Speaker 19 (42:27):
Weather modification and cloud seating, Yes, and my heart and
my soul, I do geoengineering. Dimming the sun. Things with
global climatic implications I think deserve a lot more caution
and scrutiny because we don't have eighty years of data
on what their effects would be. But cloud seating itself, Yes,
(42:48):
in my heart and in my soul. Absolutely.
Speaker 16 (42:51):
Augustus DERICKI thank you so much for coming on. Where
do people follow you? I know you want to get
your message out. The best way to do that obviously
social media and coming on shows like this. Where do
people follow you, sir? And where do they go? I
want to make sure they go to your company site
and check it out.
Speaker 19 (43:05):
So where they go, sure they can go to rain
nagger dot com for more information on our company, and
then also on x A Dorico that's at A d
O r ic Ko.
Speaker 16 (43:19):
Augustusto Rico, thank you very much for joining us in
the WOROM on a very intense afternoon. Thank you, sir,
Thank you so much. Do I have Natalie? We had
to change shift because Dave Brad's going to do the
Matt Gates Show, and okay, we'll get Natalie up in
a second. Do I have Philip Patrick. We're kind of
juggling here because we took a long for the Abbott conference,
(43:41):
but I thought it was very a lustrative of the
raw emotions that are now starting to come to the surface.
Philip Patrick joins us from Rio Philip, you brought me
a long memo this afternoon. Why don't you we got
some time. Why don't you you break it down as
we leave here? You know, you leave the conference Balsonar.
(44:02):
President Trump threw down hard on bolscenario yesterday. But the
political situation, the law fer situation, Lula's at the center
of this, although it's the judge Mauricis that's doing it.
But tell me about his handling of the of the
Bricks conference and your thoughts as you get ready to
leave where we are are on all this?
Speaker 20 (44:25):
Yeah, I mean last time, I think it was Monday, Monday,
I was on last and we were talking about how
the entire conference at that point was covert, right, it
was de dollarization without mentioning the dollar explicitly. It was
trade security without talking about tariffs. And then I think
it was an hour after after our last interview, everything changed, right, Obviously,
President Trump came out overnight and posted a warning to
(44:48):
bricks nations ten percent tariffs on any nation if they
continue to bypass the dollar. And Lula's response was swift
and it was unusually direct, I would say, but the
verbiage was was interesting. He said that President Trump's message
was very mistaken and irresponsible, and then he went on
to say, and I thought this was telling. He said, look,
(45:08):
the world has changed. We don't want an emperor. We
are sovereign countries. And he said there is no going back.
Reducing dependence on the dollar will happen step by step
until it's consolidated.
Speaker 17 (45:22):
So what was.
Speaker 20 (45:24):
Perhaps covert before is now in the open. The bricks
have made their intentions clear, and they sort of brought
it to the forefront. And we've been seeing it China
and Russia striking deals in yuan and rubles, Brazil and
Venezuela bypassing the dollar for regional commerce. So it's happening,
and it's at the forefront. You know the message I
send you. I spent a lot of time thinking last night,
(45:48):
what do we do about this? How do we fix
the situation? And I think the answer is not to panic,
but rather to prepare. Right, we have to remember the
dollar remains the global reserve currency for a reason, right,
and that is trust, its depth, its credibility. What we've
been seeing out here is that trust is eroding, not
just because of our rivals, but because of what we've
(46:09):
done domestically as well. Right, so, in terms of a plan,
I don't know how much time I have here, Steve,
so sort of hang on.
Speaker 16 (46:17):
You're going to have all the time. This this is
incredibly important. We're gonna take a short commercial break and
bring you back. We don't have to cover. We're trying
to get you in before the press conference is going
to take place in Curveville, but the government stepped up
and did one that took place earlier, so we got
the six o'clock hour. Philip Patrick is with us from Rio.
Folks a very big deal down there, and they kind
(46:38):
of laid their cards on the table. It ain't going
to happen overnight, but they're saying it's going to happen
the end of the dollar empire, according to them. Philip Patrick. Next,
also Joe Levannie. I'm trying to get Joe in from
Treasury talk all about this. Next in the order, here's
(47:00):
your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Bath.
Speaker 16 (47:04):
Okay, Philip Patrick is going to stick with us and
into the six o'clock hour. Natalie's also here. We're gonna
get her comments on the on the rain Maker situation.
I want to go to Joe Lavernia. Now over at
Treasury Council, Special Council to the Secretary Treasury. You've had
the tariff situation, President Trump. You know, you had this
(47:25):
two and a half hour I think, cabinet meeting today,
the whole cabinet meeting. Most of it has done publicly.
President Trump's talking about tariffs. We got we got letters
going out to Korea, south to Japan. You guys, now
a Treasury are executing on the big beautiful bill. Right
the task goots all the the industrial side of it,
for the supply side. Where is where are the tariffs
(47:48):
fit into this entire strategy, sir? Because I think there's
a little confuting, But look, we love tariff's where the
tariff guys, we'd love it what President Trump's doing. But
we're little is it?
Speaker 21 (47:57):
Yeah, sure, steve it, So thank you again. It's a
very integrated, holistic approach. So the tariffs are used as
an incentive to bring capital and moneys back to the US.
And as you know from all the deals that have
been announced all over the world, there's trillions of dollars
that are coming in. So the tariffs are incentive to
get capital to the US. But when you bring the
(48:18):
capital to the us. You're also going to benefit from
low corporate rates, cheap and abundant.
Speaker 22 (48:22):
Energy, and very pro growth tax policy.
Speaker 21 (48:26):
So everything kind of works works together, and that's how
you're going to reindustrialize.
Speaker 22 (48:30):
On the tariffs, what we could say are two things
very important.
Speaker 21 (48:32):
Number one, Steve, we could raise upwards of three hundred billion.
I mean, the numbers keep going up every month, like
to run the third week of the month. You get
the customs payment that tends to be the biggest, so
we're ratcheting higher. I mean, we may have three hundred
billion in calendar year revenues this year, which is massive.
CBO has scored potentially getting two point eight trillion over
the next ten years.
Speaker 22 (48:52):
That's not part of their official scoring. So the tariffs right.
Speaker 21 (48:55):
Now we know are raising tremendous amounts of money. The
other point, which is very important, is that my colleagues
over accountcy Coomic Advisors have done incredible work that shows
actually if you look at the price of imported goods,
those prices have actually declined, which is remarkable. Declined in
both the personal consumption that expendishers deflator which is that
the FED follows or the more popular at least in
(49:17):
the Main Street Consumer Price Index, where the imported goods
prices not only haven't risen, they've actually declined, So we're
not seeing any inflation to this point, which tells us
that foreign producers are absorbing it in their margins, which
makes sense because US is the world's largest, the most
important consumer for about thirty five percent of global consumption
or somewhere around there.
Speaker 16 (49:37):
I think the Secretary also said I think one hundred
band has already been collected, which is just espressly stunning.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's correct.
Speaker 16 (49:45):
I want to pivot. We got Philip Patrick and our
team from Birch Gold have covered for four or five
days the reset, and initially they were just doing they
were trying to hide it. They didn't want to talk dedellarisation.
They were doing these bilateral deals and saying it's all
for free trade. President Trump came out as President Trump's
want to do and say, Yo, if you're doing sign
a frame. This brick's nonsense. I'm going to add another
(50:06):
ten percent or more to the tariffs already, and that
chilled things. But I think Lula came out and made
a statement said hey, it's not going to happen overnight,
but it's happening. We're moving away from this. We don't
believe that one system for currency is good for our nations.
Any initial response to first off, do you believe that
the bricks nation can actually move off the dollar as
(50:28):
the pre reserve currency?
Speaker 6 (50:29):
Now?
Speaker 22 (50:29):
Certainly not.
Speaker 21 (50:30):
And President Trump, as you know, Steve, is a tremendous negotiator.
You saw what happened with Canada with the digital tax
they want to impose, and also when the President has
threatened significant tariffs on the EU, they quickly backed away.
The fact is, when you look at the data, it
shows that demand for US assets has never been higher.
(50:51):
It's in our own official data that we put out
every month, and it's in various private sector reports that
showed tremendous capital inflows to the US.
Speaker 22 (50:58):
It's still the world's reserve currency.
Speaker 21 (51:00):
As Secretary Best and it said many times, the dollar's
demise has been greatly exaggerated that people have been saying
this since right after the Second World War.
Speaker 22 (51:08):
We've got the reserve currency.
Speaker 21 (51:09):
We're going to have the strongest, most dynamic economy in
the world, with the fastest growth rate among all the
industrialized countries. Inflations falling, as I mentioned, earlier, got all
these huge capital commitments that are coming in. I mean
that's the sign of dollar strength that will persist as
long as President Trump's policies are in place.
Speaker 16 (51:27):
Joe, last question. You're one of the guys brought in
to help forecast this, put together the dashboard monitor, and
help execute it with the Secretary Treasury for the president.
Do you feel better, you know, four or five days
into this than you did last week when it was
up in the air. What was actually we were going
to close on? Or you feeling concerned?
Speaker 22 (51:49):
Steve, I'm an optimist.
Speaker 21 (51:50):
I learned that from my old boss and Trump one
point o, Larry Kudlow. I'm an optimist. I was always
I was kind of backing the president. He wanted a
July fourth and to speaker and leader a leader Thuon
and Speaker Johnson. They've do great working with Treasury secretary,
best setting moving the ball.
Speaker 22 (52:06):
Down the field. So I was optimistic.
Speaker 21 (52:09):
I thought was going to get done on July fourth,
and just as the President wanted, it got done. And
a mixing more confident because you know, all people talk
about all the uncertainty the tariffs, but I think they
missed or they missed now is the uncertainty the tax
policy had posed. Companies have not been able to plan
for the OUTLOK because they didn't know. I they're going
to get a huge tax hike.
Speaker 22 (52:26):
Nexture, with the biggest ever.
Speaker 21 (52:27):
Now that we've got that certainty, yes, I'm much more
confident now that it's done that they're going to be
a second half growth boom, and I'm expecting to see
that in the data.
Speaker 22 (52:35):
We're going to get more cap X.
Speaker 21 (52:36):
Cap X is going to give you faster productivity, faster wages.
This blue collar wage boom that we've been talking about persist,
and it's going to be great, great news for Americans
all alike.
Speaker 16 (52:49):
By the way, Larry Kudlow has preached this for decades
and he finally got it. This is a massive supply
sited tax cut that's really going to drive things. I'm
glad to know one of his someone that was mentored
by him, is here in the war room. I know
it hurts you guys. Sometimes we'll talk about terroffs, but
you know, President Trump is the tariff guy. I tell
Larry all that all the time. Joe, Social media, Where
(53:09):
do people go to keep up with your analysis? Forecast
all of it.
Speaker 22 (53:13):
Thank you, Steve at Lavornanamics.
Speaker 16 (53:17):
Joe, thank you so much. I'm so glad you're over
Treasury love having.
Speaker 22 (53:21):
Me on the shows. Thank you always pleasure, thank you.
Speaker 16 (53:26):
Uh my Patriot Supply still got Today's the last day
for their July fourth I think you've seen. And by
the way, the Imperial Capitol here is about to get
a massive thunderstorm, right, massive thunderstorm. You never know when
one of these things's going to sneak up on you.
You used to be regular thunderstorms from Man. That thing
in Texas in the Hill Country and also down in
(53:47):
central North Carolina. I don't know, Man, different deal, felt
like a different deal. But there'll be people to go
through this in quite a bit of detail. My Patriots Supply,
they kind of invented the industry, but now it's everything.
So just be prepared, get prepared, get ahead of the curve.
You're smart enough on everything else we talk about, get
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smarter on this my page. Apply it's the end of
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(54:32):
want to make sure that the war Room posse can
make contact because not only do you like the receipts,
you'd like to talk to a human being, Maybe ask
a couple three questions like we do here in the
war Room. Short commercial break, take you out with the
right stuff, going to bring you back with Philip Patrick
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