July 16, 2025 • 48 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, JULY 16TH, 2025
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RICHARD BARIS
ALEX DEGRASSE
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Proving another fifty days.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's just like you said a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
I don't think it's I don't think it's a long time.
I think really the question should be asked, why did
Biden get us into that ridiculous war? Why did Biden
bring us there? That should never ever have happened?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That war?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
This is Biden's war. I'm just trying to end it
because we're saving a lot of lives.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Why do you think the opinion will change in fifty days?
Speaker 5 (00:22):
But it hasn't open the lea.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
A lot of opinions changed very rapidly. Might not be
fifty days, might be much sooner than fifty days.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
When do you think the first future of missiles?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Some of these weapons that are on getting they're already
being shipped from what countries, they're coming in from Germany
and then replaced by Germany, and in all cases the
United States gets made back in full. So what's happening,
as you know, is the European Union, if you look
mostly European unions, but let's put it in the form
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of NATO. It's very similar. But NATO is going to
pay us back for everything. In some cases we're going
to be paid back by countries of the European Union directly.
But we're always getting our money back in full, so
we're not gonna have any more investment to make. We're
getting our money backed in full, and if we can
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make a deal, that'd be great. We're saving five or
six thousands soldiers a week. They're Russian and the Ukrainian soldiers.
They're not American soldiers, and we won't have foods in
the ground.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
But it's a shame.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Five thousand last week they say seven thousand, one hundred
soldiers both Russian and Ukraine were killed.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
People can move on, but I'm curious, why do you
think your supporters in particular have been so interested in
the epsteins.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So I don't know who's saying any about husband handle.
I don't understand it why they would be so interested.
He's dead for a long time. He was never a
big factor in terms of life. I don't understand what
the interests or what the fascination is. I really don't
have the credible information has been given. Don't forget we
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went through years of the Muller witch hunt and all
of the different things to steal dossier which was all fake.
All that information was fake. But I don't understand why
the Jeffrey Epstey case would be of interest to anybody.
It's pretty boring stuff. It's sortied, but it's boring, and
I don't understand why it keeps going. I think, well, really,
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only pretty bad people, including fake Deuce, want.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
To keep something like like that going.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But credible information.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Let them give it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Anything that's credible, I would say, let them have it.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
This is the primal screen of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
There's not going to free shot. All these networks lying
about the people. The people have had a belly full
of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I
know you try to do everything in the world to
stop that, but you're not going to stop. But it's
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going to happen.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line?
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Mega media?
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my
task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
War Room.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
Bath Wednesday sixteen July you're of a lord twenty twenty five.
I believe we're going to have a press avail with
the President starting at eleven. I think the head of
Bahrain is going to be there. Would used to be
the old where the naval base was in the Persian
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Gulf or I guess now called the Arabian Golf. He's
going to tell they're going to have a bilat. And
before the byelats start, we're hearing that there's going to
be a press aveil. We'll be covering that line. Our
own Brian Glen will be there, so we'll cut into
eleven o'clock Harby. It should be some fascinating things going on.
A lot of geopolitics capital markets today. Financial Times of
(04:09):
London has finally admitted that our tariff policy is working.
They said, no one except for the Chinese really has
kind of punched back on it. This is why either
one or two things are happening. People are trying to
set up operations here in the United States to manufacture
and investing here, or we're toning the cash and I
think they say fifty b and people are talking about
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one hundred and ten bion a tariff revenues, but so
a lot of talk about economy and Teriff's today that
are working. I want to start with Also, we're going
to now kick off talking about the midterms, and particularly
as we did it last time and the way we won.
You got to really think through are these districts correct?
And the great Alex de Grossel join us shortly to
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talk about Texas and Ohio. I want to go to
Richard Barriss. First. Of Richard, we had Mark Mitchell last
night on from ras MUSS and he talked about it.
I want to start with you. You talked about a new
coalition or new alliance that you and Mitchell are working
on to make sure that we get as accurate as
polling as possible. You guys and the other people I
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think you're bringing in have a history of understanding the
MAGA movement of how to ask the questions, of how
to look at the demographics and how to break it down.
Tell us about that first, because I want to make
sure the audience understands this is a big effort of
people that are the top pollsters and really have been
shunted by the mainstream media, but are really much more
accurate and pinpointing at any point in time where MAGA
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is and particularly where the country is aligned with MAGA.
So walk us through the alliance.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
First, Well, thanks for having me as always, Steve, And
I mean you just said it that word accurate.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean, that's what this comes down to.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
We started the National Association of Independent Pollsters because in
the last ten years plus, you know, the polling industry
has had issues for a while.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It's just really exacerbate it in the Trump era.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
We've had all these debates about how the polling industry
has changed and how it has evolved.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
But sadly, a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Of people have used those debates to you know, malign
and others and to bury what really matters, which is
the accuracy of public posters. That is our true value
to the public. And if we're not accurate, there is
no trust. And without trust, George Gallup's vision completely falls apart.
Why would elected officials listen to us, Steve, when they're
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debating whether or not to support public policy. Why would
the voters trust us at all when it comes to
our take on who is or isn't ahead.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Or going to win an election?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean it becomes a weapon, you know, a tool
for people, you know, with sinister motives, and there isn't
a group out there until now, There isn't a group
that serves as a bit of a gauge for the
American public and for lawmakers to say, look, these people
have got it right. These people know what they're doing.
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You know the motive be damned. It doesn't matter what
the motive is, Steve. All that matters is that they
were right or they were wrong. So somebody needs to
be there to serve as that gauge, to be able
to tell people you can trust the results of these
bolsters or you can't.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
And that's what we started.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
It's big.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It includes myself, Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen, Robert Khali at your Falger,
and Matt Towry over at Insider Advantage. You have got
to have a long and proven track record of success
and accuracy. We all get it wrong sometimes, right, I mean,
that's going to happen. But you cannot be wrong every
election cycle in cycle out beyond the rule of outlier,
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you have to be accurate. And this has been a
challenging period for polling. And if you've done a good
job during this period, the Trump era, Nan then hands off,
you know, hats off to you, and you know, welcome aboard.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
So it's rass, Muss and Trefager. Richard Barris. Big data
and insider advantage once again was the criteria for selecting
the four foundational members of this.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You have to have a track record, a published track
record of accuracy over a period of time. You know,
there's a lot of I have a saying, and I
think viewers need to take this to heart. In this era,
there are a whole lot of polls, but there aren't
as many pollsters. You know, we have too many polls,
not enough pollsters. There's a new poll popping up every week, Steve.
(08:24):
And you know, when this industry got kicked off, that
was not the case.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
It was Gallup.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Maybe a couple of news organizations did their thing, but
you know, George Gallup had the gold standard and for
decades we dealt with that. And the information era has
its benefits, but it also has you know, it also
has its downsides, and that's one of them. The springing
up of pollsters cycleing and cycle out, who then vanish
later come back under.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
A new assumed name, Steve.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Because their track record was awful the year prior or
their cycle prior, and there's nobody watching out for this.
Well there is now, and that's the point of this project.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Your yours, your big data tell you you have a
different angle of attack on polic The other three are
more traditional in the George Gallup school. Obviously they feel
they're more precise, they have a track record, But you
come at this totally differently. Walk our audience do that.
What's the difference?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, I'm a big believer that a lot of public polls.
You know, of course there are people who are malicious
out there, and that's sad, but it is the reality.
But I got I got into this years ago and immediately,
you know, my my stick was that response bias was
the primary determination of a lot of these wrong calls.
(09:40):
It was the primary factor. So it's not that public
opinion shifts as much as people thinks it think it does,
or what public You know, if you follow public polls
month and month, it looks like public opinion is moving
a lot. In truth most of the time, not all
of the time, but most of the time. The difference
is really because the polster is talking to different groups
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of people and those changes and those those errors are
really artifacts of how the pole is designed, and how
the pole is conducted, and how the data is collected.
But there are various forms of response biases, and very
few polsters understand how to identify them, and then the
shield against it if you do identify it, and big
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data is basically built off of the assumption that that
is true, which I know it is.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
We all do now.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
When I first started to argue that it wasn't widely understood,
it is now. But there are and I don't want
to give away the secret sauce here, but if you
look at larger numbers of people in the era of
declining response rates, if you look at larger numbers of
people and you make sure you know exactly who you're
talking to month and a month out, then it's Bigger is.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Better in polling.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Let me put it that way, all right, without giving
away too much. Bigger is better. So that's why that
reflects our name. Talk to me about you've done. We
had Mark Mitchell on last night. He was pretty adamant
about these numbers. Recently, President Trump, who should be peaking
given all the you know, President Trump today went through
a whole litany of successes, and they're pretty extraordinary. We're
(11:16):
also folks covering talking the OMB, guys covering this which
could be a significant vote in the Senate about shutting
down or basically defunding PBS and NPR billion dollars each,
plus the rest of the package, the recisions package. So
he's got victory after victory, but the poll numbers don't
show that, right at least that with Mark Mitchell Rasmus,
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what do you show? He's exactly right. This should be
a period, especially during the summer, where Americans they're doing
their own thing. They're really only paying attention to big
news items. The passage of that bill is a big
news item. Within the bill, there are a lot of
popular provisions, but the White House did lose the messaging
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war on this bill. I mean, it's very clear, and
that's the press release we have out today will show that,
and we're also releasing more.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I'll talk to you about those results now.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
We also asked about the economy and various items in
the economy and what the President's been focusing on and
the overall theme Steve is this a lot of his
successes are being stepped on or overshadowed by unpopular things
that are going on, fair or not is irrelevant. All
that matters is the optics and what the voters see
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and their sentiment and how they feel, and they feel
that the president should have been you know.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I mean, let me put it this way.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Sixty years best wage growth in sixty years being stepped
on by another intervention in the Middle East that very
few people wanted any part of whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
We had a lot of other economic data.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Then the bill gets passed, right, and it's just one
thing after another that is not being celebrated and not
being touted. Democrats were able to make a lot of
people concerned over cuts to Medicaid and other programs in
the big beautiful bill. And in order to effectively rebut
the messaging from the Democrats, you had to be laser focused.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
But they were not laser focused. They were talking about this.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Onett and Yahoo, this one with that one. Now we're
gonna arm Ukrainians. I mean, Steve, I don't have to
explain this to you, and I'm doing this for the
benefit of the viewers.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I mean, this is not popular. These things are not popular.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Tax on tips, no tax on tips is popular.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Last weekend was the anniversary of Donald Trump surviving an
assassination attempt.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
This should have been a day of celebration.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Instead, it was being stepped on by how they mishandled
the More than that, not only how they mishandled the
Epstein situation, but then how they actually started to brow
the book voters for being anyone who was concerned over
how you know they mishandled this.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
So the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Is, you know you can't keep peeling off little parts
of your base and then expect your numbers to stay strong.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
You know you're gonna keep peeling five You hang five
there and end up in a bad spot.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Can you?
Speaker 7 (14:02):
And you can end up with apathy and complacently hanger
for one second. We'll hold you through the break. Is
the general thesis is that his accomplishments on the economic
side are so powerful and if you look at the
underlying data, the messaging is not there to put that
to the forefront and there the message discipline is they're
meandering all over other things that that people didn't vote
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for or confused about. Is that the central your central thesis, Steve.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
That's the gist of it.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
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Speaker 6 (15:00):
Here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
Bath.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
Okay, we've got de Grasse about Texas on deck, and
we've got toime fitting about the CIA and this hopefully
this huge investigation that's going to be going on and
maybe kick off with a special council fitnel join us
here shortly. We want to finish with Richard Barriss. I mean, Barriss,
isn't the problem that you know, you have the core
base of MAGA and particularly these people. They come out
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for Trump, they're associated with the Trump movement, they support
President Trump. But if they get cynical, if they get complacent,
if they get apathetic and don't turn out, we have
a massive problem in twenty twenty six and beyond right.
This is one of the reasons I've been hey Trump
twenty eight because we have not yet proven we can
turn out certain low propensity, lower information voters unless President
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Trump's on top of the ticket. What are your thoughts
on particularly about what this? What's your polling shows.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You too few voters, I mean too few Republicans understand that.
Too few people in this space understand that the number
one priority for the Republican Party had to be to
get the voter that they voters. There are several groups
that they underperform with compared to Donald Trump. They have
to bring them into the fold. Some of them haven't
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even been flirting with voting Republican. They left spaces blank
in districts like California thirteen where Duirte.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Went down, but Donald Trump carried the district.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Right, you look at statewide races like Mike Rogers, he
went down with Trump on the ballad Steve. So the
situation for them is a little bit more dire than
they understand. The redistricting effort did not go well, and
that's why the ones that are in process right now
moving forward are that important because as it stands right now,
the voter groups where Donald Trump is now himself starting
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to hurt with those are the ones that Republicans needed
to bring into the fold. And just from the polling
this month, here are a couple of groups that need
to really stand out in people's minds. Eighteen to twenty
nine who voted for Donald Trump, though some of his
biggest decline this month came from that group, Hispanic men.
All Right, the groups where he did increase are kind
of funny, Steve, those who have a four year degree
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or more, right, And that's great, perfect that help offset
some of the decline with con with his core voter
in his twenty four base, But it doesn't matter because
they're still voting Democrat at the generic ballad by ten points.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
So I mean, it's just it's like a pointless.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Bump that's going to evaporate in a month or two anyway,
even if it lasts that long. They're just happy he
bombed Ron for now, to be honest, and they'll go
back to disapproving of him, and what will be left
is a weakened base. And that is something that people
aren't understanding while they're again, you know, attempting to browbeat
all of these different groups. And a submission eighteen to
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twenty nine year olds don't care about what's going on
all the way around the other side of the world.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
They didn't vote for him for that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I mean, it's just the reality that people are going
to have to start to face, you know. Moving look
what happened in twenty Republicans actually did win the House
vote in twenty two, but they still lost control. You know,
going forward in twenty four, there were very important areas
from California to New Jersey, all around the country, new
York seats in New York State where Donald Trump outperformed
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the Republicans down ballot.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
They're simply out of time.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They can't afford to continue to carry on with business
as usual. They had to convince these voters that they
were becoming more like Donald Trump, not that Donald Trump
was becoming more like them.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
They're out of time.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I mean, so they are all these people, you know,
the clapping seals and the rest of them. They're going
to clap their way right into an utter defeat. I mean,
that's the reality. I mean, I'm not a sugarcoater. You
know me better than that, Steve. That is the situation.
And by the way, this month, Democrats took lead on
the generic ballot for the first time in our polling
since Donald Trump's second presidency began.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Barris, Where can people go to get all your new
analysis and everything over big data and hear your podcast?
Where they go.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
We're everywhere but the best places on locals, People's Pundent
dot locals dot com. You'll find you know, inside the
numbers there, you'll find it all there the Public Polling
Project where it's just how we do this, which is
support from you guys on Big down a poll dot com.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Go check it out.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But Locals is definitely the central hub for all things
People's Pundit, People's pundentt locals dot com.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Richard Barrisson, Thanks, brother, I appreciate you start starting off
the show to fantastic.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Anytime, All the best, Alex.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
De gross out, Alex de gross Given that we're focused
on Texas in Ohio, is this a is this a
Is this a bailout plan because we're nervous about twenty
twenty six or is this something logical we should be doing? Anyway?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
This is this is this is logical. I mean we
have to force the issue and make advancements. However we
can and play the Democrats game. Of course, the we
want fair lines. But we want to take advantage of
the law and you know, equal representation, and so if
there's the legal way to do this, then obviously why
wouldn't we. Of course, right, we have an obligation to
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the country to ensure that we make the gains that
we can legally. And so you're looking at two. Maybe
they could force the issue to three. My advice would
be take what we can get and not try to
overextend where you might get jammed in court. I think
that those that have kind of gamed out the arms
race on this, people that are very focused on this
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within the party, have gamed out that hey, actually this
if we fight this out, You've got California looking to
make a move. I'm sure you'll see New York other
folks that you know, they had been so aggressive in
the past that there's less they could probably squeeze.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Than we can.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
So we'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
But we're looking at five in Texas. Of course, I
was looking at some proposed maps that give us thirty seats,
who are Trump one by twenty plus in Texas, and
you'd flip five given the Democrats eight seats.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
All the hang on hang on, hang on, hang on,
hang on, hang on. You were looking at there's twenty potential.
You're saying there's twenty potential in Texas. Twenty potential that
could be readiss is.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
That five pickups were Trump won by twenty percent, so
you know safe, Okay, got it?
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Five pickups.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
You've got Texas seven.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Yep, I've got the numbers.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
You can move Texas seven from Democrat twenty to Republican twenty.
You can move Texas twenty eight from Republican seven to
Republican twenty one very easily without drawing any incumbents in
with each other. You can move Texas twenty nine from
a Democrat twenty to a Republican twenty.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Give or take.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Same thing with Texas thirty two Democrat twenty three to
Republican like twenty five even, And you can move Texas
thirty four from being a Trump by four points to
like twenty one. And then you could shore up some
of these seats fifteen, twenty three, twenty four that were
about you know, Trump by sixteen. You can move them
up four or five points. You'll leave Democrats with two
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seats in Houston two seats in Dallas, two seats in Austin,
a seat in San Antonio and El Paso.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
You have this the question I was going to ask
you see the demographic shift of Hispanic citizens supporting Megan
supporting Trump. Is this taking advantage of that in South
Texas the River Grand Valley or is this realignment mainly
in the suburbs around the big cities, Sir?
Speaker 9 (22:32):
It's both.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
So, I mean, Hispanic shift, you know, has been aggressively ongoing,
obviously from the last time we did the redistricting, you know,
I mean, what was it a thirty point swing? I
think nowhere in the country moved more towards President Trump broadly.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
You've got the Bronx and you've got South Texas.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
So both areas heavily with Hispanic voters, obviously South Texas
fully and so for the most part, of course, And
so that that's exactly right, Steve.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
So it's both fronts. I mean, you're able to move
the numbers here all over the place.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
But you see Newsom's out there because it's interesting to see
because the way the Democrats have done it in their
states is they and we talked about on the show,
They've got.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
These community boards and these.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Sort of quote unquote independent groups, and you know, it's
harder for them to try to combat this, right, and
of course they've been jerry maner. You look at Illinois,
you look at California, you look at New York and
all these things. But they have to change their processes.
So Newsom said, hey, I'll take it to the voters.
We'll do a referendum. Change the rules allow the state
legislator to jerry mander. You know, that obviously would be problematic,
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but it seems to be a little bit of a
longer process. So at least it might be a short
term buffer for us and maybe a longer term battling
it out, but protecting President Trump from of course they're
open about it. They'll impeach him and they'll seleve everything
down with the investigations. We have to prevent this at
all costs. I don't think anyone's worried about things. Poll
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numbers go up, they go down.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
It's very early.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
You know, certainly it's incumbent on Republicans to sell the
big beautiful bill, and you know the positives in it
for New York, largest tax increase, tax cut ever, you know,
no tax, on tips, on security, a lot of childcare
provisions that poll very well. So all Republicans, and I
know many of them watched the show. Members of Congress
miamble advice, get out there, talk about the economic issues
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and the results in contrast that with the Democrats results
on him.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
We started. They had they had to, you know, they've
had a day with the congressman, the guys in the
House to finally start talking about.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
The big beautiful bill.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
We had Jane Zirkele and yesterday in the six o'clock show,
we played twenty one straight minutes of interview Bank Bank Bank,
and she was asking what's the best, what's the one
still work. They all said, hey, we we have to
have more recisions, we have to work more cuts and spending.
But they talked up the economic advantages. You just heard
Barras and Mitchell will say the same thing. You know,
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outside this self owner this fumble with Epstein, it's the
economic message. It's very powerful. And you see this in
the data, whether it's the tariffs, are real wages increasing,
it's not being sold aggressively enough. If that, if they
get on the tip of the if they start driving
that and talk about where this economy is going, in
the economics of it. It's a message that clearly is
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going to resonate, particularly the type of people we have
to get out there. But I just want to reiterate
something you said, because I think the Republicans and even
the MAGA base are forming themselves in this. If you
look at what's happening in New York City right, which
is the future of the Democratic Party right, particularly the
Working People's Party in DSA. The ground game they have,
and I think this thing in New York City is
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very serious. They're not just going to impeach Trump, They're
going to come after criminal charges on everybody. These people are.
This is a combination of neo Marxism meets radical jihad,
and they're the exact opposite end of the spectrum of
the mega movement. Sir, your thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
You know, I talked about that on the show.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I think it was right before I got married, but
had more feedback from people. I mean literally, I got
so many texts from people that watched it. We did
a kind of a deep dive on mom Damie.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
You know they're not building this army, steven sending them home.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
You don't build a political machine like this, and then
you take the mayorship for the communists and then you say, okay, everyone,
let's go home. They are building this and it wasn't
just in the city Buffalo, Albany, I mean cities of state.
You have read fully communists type people DSA folks that
are winning in their primaries. And I think that's really
important for people to understand. We have to be aware
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of what our political opponents are. And they're back by
the CCP. I mean, this stuff is crazy. We could
talk about it all day. And they are coming for
all of us, not just of course the President, but
any of those and the lovers of power that have
stood in the breach.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
They will punish all of us. They are dangerous people,
I believe, of course.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Yeah, hang on one second. I just want to hold
you for a few minutes. On the other side, Tom
Fitten is going to join US Congressman Mark Harris in
the world.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Use your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
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I think it's a couple of days after Labor Day.
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We're gonna have a little turbulence. I think now is
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dot com. Given the polling last night of what and
these are, I would say prose, these are the strong
this alliance they formed of Rasmuss and trefaug or big Data,
which was Richard Barriss an insider advantage. Are President Trump's
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people say? Those are the polsters understand President Trump and
they're very pro Trump. Last night we had Mark Mitchell
and today we've had Richard Barriss. You've seen the analysis.
You're a polling fanatic. What is your what is your
what's your takeaway? And what needs to be done? What
then needs to be done?
Speaker 9 (28:22):
Sir, thanks Geed. So look, I think it's important it's
at the stage here.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
I mean, this is President Trump's Republican party and so
it's more unique than you know, past cycles where people
have you know, the brand.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
And this and that.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I mean, President Trump built a historic, very unique coalition
and going into this material, of course, it's incumbent on
Republicans on the ballot this year, since President Trump is
not Senate House of different down ballot races that you know,
we need to lift all boats and work together and
maintain President Trump's coalition. Right, he's got ma he's got Democrats,
he's got you know, it's very unique. It's not the
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traditional you know, Republican sort of voting voter target base.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
That we're focused on.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
And so you know, all Republican House members really have
to think of those cells. Like, hey, you run a
media company, you know this is you have to get
content out to the people directly.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
You need to educate people on what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I think it's impressive that the House and leadership and
the President and Senate they got this done at the
time they did, and so we've got more time to
sell and most importantly, more time to get more recisions
another you know, big bill to continue to move the needle.
And it's not going to be an overnight, quick process.
Everyone's got to be out there hammering on local TV,
not just in the Fox, you know, not just in
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the talking.
Speaker 9 (29:35):
To our own people.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You got to be focused on those sort of low
propensity I don't want to you know, low information. You know,
people that are living their lives are not really paying attention.
They maybe see the news about Epstein, this and that,
and they're kind of wondering, but they need to see
the news about the results that President Trump and House
Republicans have delivered.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
And things are early.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Polls go up, that go down, see if people adjust people.
You know, there's rategy. I mean it's very early, of course,
and I know that MAGA forces are coalescing a lot
of money and resources and strategy to focus on the
issues that matter in the BLEDZ you know, next next year.
But for now, it's really on House members, Senate, you know,
get out there like people did yesterday.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
I mean new medium, row media, row.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
And educate voters because I think some people have no idea, Steve.
I mean I don't know if people know that their
taxes got cut, if you're in the working class, if
you're in the service industry and things like that, and
so when people are aware of that, I think they're
very popular.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
I mean, this is a and where do they get that.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
So digress, we just kept off twenty twenty six with Texas.
We'll spend more time on that. I want to thank you.
Where do people go to find out more about you,
particularly if they want to reach out to you today
on this quite brain analysis you've given us, sir, So
if you.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Want to email me at a team at least for
Congress dot com, and we'll make sure to get all
that inks. People love reaching out. But I'm at to
grass eighty one on X scatter truth. Thank you, Steve,
Thank you the possible. We'll gear up and keep this
thing going. Of course, thank you, sir.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
You were such a central figure in the last midterm,
particularly about all the redistioning got on top of it early,
which you have to people also should continue to focus
on that, and we'll do much more on this situation
in New York that is the future of the Democratic Party.
And it's not only not going to go away, it's
going to metastasize. Very very serious of what we've allowed
(31:36):
to happen. Tom Fitten joins us. One of the reasons
we've allowed this to happen is that we have not
taken apart the deep state, which wants an empire but
is very anti American. Tom, You've been all over this,
I guess is broadening criminal investigation, potential investigation. It hasn't
actually formed up yet to get a special prosecutor, although
(31:57):
we understand that maybe in the works. What is this
You put out another TikTok this morning? What is your
focus on this thing and what are your concerns?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, Ratcliffeler released this CIA report, and congratulations to the
Justice Department and FBI for doing everything they could, seemingly
over the last two weeks to distract from that confirming though,
that the Obama gang rigged up a Intelligence Community assessment,
high level, top secret document that was literally designed to
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launder the Steele dossier into the public domain to try
to destroy Trump at the beginning of his presidency. Indeed,
it led to criminal investigations, helped lead to the removal Flynn, etc.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
And it was all done from the top down.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
This was not an intelligence community assessment about the impact
of Russia on the elections that kind of brought together
traditional analysis.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
They made the decision we're going to put the dossier
in there.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
In fact, the FBI mandated it, and then you had
John Brennan endorse.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
It as well. And so when you look at.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This review by Ratcliffe's team, it's clear they put material
in there that didn't have any basis to suggest that
Putin wanted Trump elected, when in fact there was a
basis to suggest that Putin generally was just messing around
with US and b he presumed Hillary was going to
be president and wanted to impair her. But instead they
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went with the fake lead generated as a result of
a joint partnership between the FBI under Obama and the
Hillary Clinton campaign to create this dossier and make it
a core part of this fake intelligence community assessment, which
by the way, was so sensitive it was sent out
to two hundred people in the government almost immediately.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
It leaked within twenty four or forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It led to the disclosure and full publication of the
Steel Report, and the rest is awful.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
History given the disclosure we've had, and we're going to
have Jefferson Morley on tonight about the disclosure about the CIA.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Understand knowing who and knowing well in advance of of
who Oswald was, and maybe even some contact with some
of their front groups with Oswald made wanting to come
to work. You've now had decade after decade after decade.
Why is this some hang up now for us to
go full throttle on this and actually start a significant
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criminal investigation. These intelligence services and the FBI have been
out of control, and it's obvious they tried to have
a Let me ask you, do you believe they tried
to have a coup against President Trump in his first term?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Sir well, I think the Molar investigation w was aku
was designed to try to throw him out of office,
pressure him to remove either through impeachment or through the
embarrassment of fake criminal allegations. It didn't work in the end.
Maybe it did work in part he lost the election,
So we can't under we can't underplay. You know, the
(35:20):
fact that he wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean he quote one.
It just means they got their pound of flesh. Differently,
and so you know the CIA report.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Although although our although our theory at the war room
and we think this needs to be done, we're saying
that the intelligence apparatus, he didn't. Nobody goes from sixty
three million votes to seventy four million votes and loses.
This thing was absolutely stolen. The fake ballots of Biden
that have never shown up since that was a intelligence
was intelligence apparatus. Also, my point is, yes, I understand,
(35:55):
but my point is the the deep state still has
not had a glove laid on them, and this is
I think part of the problem I've argued with the
Epstein situation. People want accountability. Even people that are late
to this story and don't know much about Epstein, they
think something's murky here. There are dark forces behind the
scenes that are actually calling the shot. You've been one
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of the top voices of actually holding this accountable through
four your requests and through going to court, and it
strikes people as odd that you have to do this
so often during President Trump's administration, when the deep state
is still targeted President Trump for removal. If President Trump
ors people around him, don't think the first action the
Democrats are going to do on January third or fourth
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of what twenty twenty seven is to move to impeach him.
They're just they're completely wrong. This is the entire focus
is to take Trump down and to break his movement.
Tom Finton, you.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
Know, and you make the good point. Because President Trump
is concerned.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That there may be people in the list that should
not be there, whose names will be they'll be embarrassed
as a result of just guilt by association. I would
suggest that he broaden his thinking on this and recognize
this isn't about Epstein.
Speaker 8 (37:10):
This is about DC corruption.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It's the most readily apparent a political example of it,
because both Democrats and Republicans when you see eighty percent
poll numbers saying people want the Epstein records released, that
they're onto something politically right. And I would hope the
politicians here in DC follow the lead.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
But I tell you I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
The handling of the Epstein matter by the FBI and
the Justice Department further confirmed that they can't be trusted
across the street on their own. And I don't think
the agencies institutionally are capable of the types of sophisticated,
comprehensive or dare I say it competent criminal investigations a
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into themselves or b into agencies like the CIA who
were at the center of this grand conspiracy against Trump.
This is why I've said it once, I'll say it again.
President Trump should run the investigations and the prosecutions directly
from the White House through a close appointed official who
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reports directly to him, bringing the best of the best
from federal agencies outside of the FBI and DOJ to
conduct the investigations and prosecutions if necessary. And he is
the magistrate in chief, he can run it. He can say,
go after this person if the law requires that there's
evidence that suggests this person committed a crime. Investigated, if
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the evidence is there, investigated, Arrest Komy, he threatened my life.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Prosecute Garland.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
He's in contempt of Congress for hiding the Bidens the
Biden and auto pen scandal, mainly the audio of his
crazed interview with the special counsel her. He's in contempt
for refusing to turn out over in order to protect Joe.
There are all sorts of things he can direct, specifically
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the prosecution of or investigation of, And it doesn't mean
these people aren't protected by the Constitution. It's the same
civil rights protections and civil protections they would have if
they were subject to DOJ investigations. But the DOJ can't
do it. They've got too many James Comy's over there.
As it is, the leadership is under siege. Just with
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the day to day work they have to do to
deal with the judicial law fare. That's enough for any
Attorney general just to deal with take it off their plate.
They can go to town doing whatever else they need to
do in terms of protecting his agenda. But this lawfare,
this attack on armed republic that we still haven't recovered from,
needs to be pursued directly by the President.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
I just want to go Tom, if we can just
hold you shortly through the break. On the other side,
there is some sort of obviously investigation going on. We're
seeing leaks about it, about Brennan and other people. You're
arguing it's time to bring that together. The best way
to bring that together announce a special counsel, letting deal
with all of it. Right, and most importantly, given what
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Mike Davis, the Worm, etc. Have been saying now over
the last couple of years, President Trump's Article two powers
right Article two powers make it incumbent that that Special
Council report to the Office of the President and not
over the DOJ. They're they're fully occupied with defending this
presidency and working the mass deportations at the border. Tom
(40:50):
Finton's on on deck, backing out.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Here's your Stephen k Ban.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
Okay, right there, you see the Honor Guard is getting ready.
The Crown Prince and Prime Minister of Bayrain is going
to come for a bielat with the President. I think
there's going to be a press avail or. Brian glenns
that we're going to cut to that in the eleven
o'clock hour as soon as it starts. Probably he arives
around eleven o'clock. Let's keep that right there. Tom Finton,
(41:24):
you are so revered in this movement and for this
particular reason your investigations. Just give us your thoughts. Give
me a minute or two on where do we go
from here. What's your best recommendation how we get into
a real investigation of the deep state.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, on Epstein, it's a relatively straightforward solution. Just give
us the records under Foya, describe what the records are,
what they're if they're withholding anything, tell us why, and
there's a core process for it, and if we don't
like it, we can challenge it. But at least it's
a transparency that we don't have currently because of this
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awful memo that was sent out. They need to change
their position on it. Indeed, were already in court, I
mean just last week they told the court they're looking
for and reviewing Epstein records from the FBI and Justice Department.
Just get it done and have a and the President,
in my recommendation, would be to personally involve himself in
this and direct that the Foyer process proceede to pace,
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meaning quickly, you know.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
And on this deep state issue, I think there needs
to be a.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Broad investigation initially. I keep on hearing there's something coming.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Oh, there's been a referral for the Brennan investigation. Commey's
under investigat. Why hasn't Comey been arrested. It's six months
into the administration. It's inexcusable that there hasn't been a
comprehensive investigation yet, no matter what its flavor or color
in terms of the FBI or Special Council into the
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warfare against Trump, they've been circling around it. And if
if it's happened, it's a secret. It's more secretive than
the Epstein records. And I don't believe that you can
keep a secret like that secret. So it ain't happening yet, folks,
it ain't happening.
Speaker 8 (43:13):
Now we're promised it will happen. But I've you know,
this isn't my first rodeo. I've heard that before.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
We're burning Yeah, we're burning daylight. And it needs to
announce a special counsel. It should report to the Office
of the President, not to Justin Berman. Tom, where do
people go to get because you're putting up information all
day long, sir, where do folks go to get it?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
They go to judicialwatch dot org judicial watch when we're
dot org and of course we're all over social media,
both me and judicial Watch. We got six hundred and
fifty thousand people supporting us, not just tuning in writing
us checks. This is the one of the broadest grassroots
movement against government corruption in the history of the country.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
Little old Judicial Watch.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Nope, like I said, my one hundred year old dad,
that check he sent. Tom Finton was the one who
says got the best return on investment. Ever, Tom Finton,
appreciate you, sir. Keep fighting. We'll be all over this.
Saffron and Jefferson Morley is going to be the biographer of
Angleton is going to join us about this blockbuster story
yesterday in the Washington Post. We'll get all to it.
(44:24):
Congressman Mark Harris joins us. Now, Congressman Harris, you're going
after the NEA with like, why are you picking on
the one group that's made American public school education a
platinum level that the whole world envy? Sir? Why are
you picking on them? Why are you picking on them? Harris?
Speaker 11 (44:42):
Well, Steve, I'll thank you first of all for having me.
I'm very honored to be with you today. But hey, listen,
I think all of the American people agree that the
NEA has gone off the rails, and we're just stepping
out today. Just completed a press conference just a few
minutes ago clearing that we are moving forward for Congress
to actually repeal or take away the charter that the
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NEA received in nineteen hundred and six. And when you
go back and look at how they started or how
that charter was granted, and here we are almost one
hundred and twenty years later and they have completely completely
gone off the rails. And I think the American people
see it and recognize it, and I think it's time
for Congress to step up and at least take this
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very very simple, straightforward action of repealing that charter.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
What will happen if and when the Charter's appeal the
charter is repealed? What will happen?
Speaker 11 (45:44):
Well, primarily, what it will do is send a message
that we are removing the stamp of approval that that
currently is placed upon anyone that holds this federal Charter.
And it sends a message that the NEA simply become
a political machine of leftist activists that have could completely
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become misguided in everything that they were set out to
do from the beginning. And you know, it doesn't dissolve
the NEA. They certainly have a right to do what
they do or exist, but it should certainly remove Congresses
still of approval that would in any way, shape or
form be mistaken.
Speaker 7 (46:28):
Is that your number one concern that if you see
this New York City race, et cetera, you can see
what these folks have done in these grade schools with
these young kids to kind of be to propagandaize them
that they're really political operations that are not there to
just make sure the kids get the best education. Is
that your central beef.
Speaker 11 (46:45):
It is our children are not meant to be in
school to be brainwashed. They're sent there to be educated
and if we are focused more on math and reading
and writing. And in fact, I guess that was one
of the things that really got my attention. In two
thousand nineteen at their convention, they had an opportunity, a
business item in front of them that basically called for
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them to and in fact, just so your listeners here,
it says, the National Education Association will rededicate itself to
the pursuit of increased student learning in every public school
in America by putting a renewed emphasis on quality education.
Any a will make student learning the priority of this association.
(47:27):
And Steve, they voted that down. And when they can
no longer say that they're going to look out for
the best interest of students, they've become nothing but the opposite.
They oppose parent involvement. They are brainwashing our children with
the things that they are propagating through their political activities.
(47:47):
And furthermore, we can no longer put our stamp of
approval a group. They're the only a labor union, if
you will, that is federally recognized, and we need to
step up and say they don't need this charter. It
needs to be taken away.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Congressman, where do people go today right now to get
more information about your crusade to take the charter away?
Where do they go?
Speaker 11 (48:11):
Well, I would encourage them to check out Moms for Liberty.
Moms for Liberty has been one of the key organizations
that has been a great inspiration in all of this,
and I would encourage them to check that out. And
because they stood with us in the press conference, and
we've got a number of co sponsors all ready for
this bill, and any support and encouragement would be helpful.
Speaker 7 (48:34):
Congressman Mark Harris of the great state of North Carolina,
thank you, sir, thank you for coming on the show,
and thank you for sponsoring this. We're going to get
everybody to go to the site today and check it
out and getting back you so thank you, thank you.
Sod ahead, Mark Harris and North Carolina standing up for
the children of this nation. Short commercial break, will return
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to the Oval Office
Proving another fifty days.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's just like you said a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
I don't think it's I don't think it's a long time.
I think really the question should be asked, why did
Biden get us into that ridiculous war? Why did Biden
bring us there? That should never ever have happened?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That war?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
This is Biden's war. I'm just trying to end it
because we're saving a lot of lives.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Why do you think the opinion will change in fifty days?
Speaker 5 (00:22):
But it hasn't open the lea.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
A lot of opinions changed very rapidly. Might not be
fifty days, might be much sooner than fifty days.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
When do you think the first future of missiles?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Some of these weapons that are on getting they're already
being shipped from what countries, they're coming in from Germany
and then replaced by Germany, and in all cases the
United States gets made back in full. So what's happening,
as you know, is the European Union, if you look
mostly European unions, but let's put it in the form
(00:53):
of NATO. It's very similar. But NATO is going to
pay us back for everything. In some cases we're going
to be paid back by countries of the European Union directly.
But we're always getting our money back in full, so
we're not gonna have any more investment to make. We're
getting our money backed in full, and if we can
(01:13):
make a deal, that'd be great. We're saving five or
six thousands soldiers a week. They're Russian and the Ukrainian soldiers.
They're not American soldiers, and we won't have foods in
the ground.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
But it's a shame.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Five thousand last week they say seven thousand, one hundred
soldiers both Russian and Ukraine were killed.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
People can move on, but I'm curious, why do you
think your supporters in particular have been so interested in
the epsteins.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So I don't know who's saying any about husband handle.
I don't understand it why they would be so interested.
He's dead for a long time. He was never a
big factor in terms of life. I don't understand what
the interests or what the fascination is. I really don't
have the credible information has been given. Don't forget we
(02:03):
went through years of the Muller witch hunt and all
of the different things to steal dossier which was all fake.
All that information was fake. But I don't understand why
the Jeffrey Epstey case would be of interest to anybody.
It's pretty boring stuff. It's sortied, but it's boring, and
I don't understand why it keeps going. I think, well, really,
(02:25):
only pretty bad people, including fake Deuce, want.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
To keep something like like that going.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But credible information.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Let them give it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Anything that's credible, I would say, let them have it.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
This is the primal screen of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
There's not going to free shot. All these networks lying
about the people. The people have had a belly full
of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I
know you try to do everything in the world to
stop that, but you're not going to stop. But it's
(03:00):
going to happen.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line?
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Mega media?
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my
task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
War Room.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
Bath Wednesday sixteen July you're of a lord twenty twenty five.
I believe we're going to have a press avail with
the President starting at eleven. I think the head of
Bahrain is going to be there. Would used to be
the old where the naval base was in the Persian
(03:47):
Gulf or I guess now called the Arabian Golf. He's
going to tell they're going to have a bilat. And
before the byelats start, we're hearing that there's going to
be a press aveil. We'll be covering that line. Our
own Brian Glen will be there, so we'll cut into
eleven o'clock Harby. It should be some fascinating things going on.
A lot of geopolitics capital markets today. Financial Times of
(04:09):
London has finally admitted that our tariff policy is working.
They said, no one except for the Chinese really has
kind of punched back on it. This is why either
one or two things are happening. People are trying to
set up operations here in the United States to manufacture
and investing here, or we're toning the cash and I
think they say fifty b and people are talking about
(04:30):
one hundred and ten bion a tariff revenues, but so
a lot of talk about economy and Teriff's today that
are working. I want to start with Also, we're going
to now kick off talking about the midterms, and particularly
as we did it last time and the way we won.
You got to really think through are these districts correct?
And the great Alex de Grossel join us shortly to
(04:52):
talk about Texas and Ohio. I want to go to
Richard Barriss. First. Of Richard, we had Mark Mitchell last
night on from ras MUSS and he talked about it.
I want to start with you. You talked about a new
coalition or new alliance that you and Mitchell are working
on to make sure that we get as accurate as
polling as possible. You guys and the other people I
(05:14):
think you're bringing in have a history of understanding the
MAGA movement of how to ask the questions, of how
to look at the demographics and how to break it down.
Tell us about that first, because I want to make
sure the audience understands this is a big effort of
people that are the top pollsters and really have been
shunted by the mainstream media, but are really much more
accurate and pinpointing at any point in time where MAGA
(05:36):
is and particularly where the country is aligned with MAGA.
So walk us through the alliance.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
First, Well, thanks for having me as always, Steve, And
I mean you just said it that word accurate.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean, that's what this comes down to.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
We started the National Association of Independent Pollsters because in
the last ten years plus, you know, the polling industry
has had issues for a while.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It's just really exacerbate it in the Trump era.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
We've had all these debates about how the polling industry
has changed and how it has evolved.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
But sadly, a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Of people have used those debates to you know, malign
and others and to bury what really matters, which is
the accuracy of public posters. That is our true value
to the public. And if we're not accurate, there is
no trust. And without trust, George Gallup's vision completely falls apart.
Why would elected officials listen to us, Steve, when they're
(06:26):
debating whether or not to support public policy. Why would
the voters trust us at all when it comes to
our take on who is or isn't ahead.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Or going to win an election?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean it becomes a weapon, you know, a tool
for people, you know, with sinister motives, and there isn't
a group out there until now, There isn't a group
that serves as a bit of a gauge for the
American public and for lawmakers to say, look, these people
have got it right. These people know what they're doing.
(07:00):
You know the motive be damned. It doesn't matter what
the motive is, Steve. All that matters is that they
were right or they were wrong. So somebody needs to
be there to serve as that gauge, to be able
to tell people you can trust the results of these
bolsters or you can't.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
And that's what we started.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
It's big.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It includes myself, Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen, Robert Khali at your Falger,
and Matt Towry over at Insider Advantage. You have got
to have a long and proven track record of success
and accuracy. We all get it wrong sometimes, right, I mean,
that's going to happen. But you cannot be wrong every
election cycle in cycle out beyond the rule of outlier,
(07:39):
you have to be accurate. And this has been a
challenging period for polling. And if you've done a good
job during this period, the Trump era, Nan then hands off,
you know, hats off to you, and you know, welcome aboard.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
So it's rass, Muss and Trefager. Richard Barris. Big data
and insider advantage once again was the criteria for selecting
the four foundational members of this.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You have to have a track record, a published track
record of accuracy over a period of time. You know,
there's a lot of I have a saying, and I
think viewers need to take this to heart. In this era,
there are a whole lot of polls, but there aren't
as many pollsters. You know, we have too many polls,
not enough pollsters. There's a new poll popping up every week, Steve.
(08:24):
And you know, when this industry got kicked off, that
was not the case.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
It was Gallup.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Maybe a couple of news organizations did their thing, but
you know, George Gallup had the gold standard and for
decades we dealt with that. And the information era has
its benefits, but it also has you know, it also
has its downsides, and that's one of them. The springing
up of pollsters cycleing and cycle out, who then vanish
later come back under.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
A new assumed name, Steve.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Because their track record was awful the year prior or
their cycle prior, and there's nobody watching out for this.
Well there is now, and that's the point of this project.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Your yours, your big data tell you you have a
different angle of attack on polic The other three are
more traditional in the George Gallup school. Obviously they feel
they're more precise, they have a track record, But you
come at this totally differently. Walk our audience do that.
What's the difference?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, I'm a big believer that a lot of public polls.
You know, of course there are people who are malicious
out there, and that's sad, but it is the reality.
But I got I got into this years ago and immediately,
you know, my my stick was that response bias was
the primary determination of a lot of these wrong calls.
(09:40):
It was the primary factor. So it's not that public
opinion shifts as much as people thinks it think it does,
or what public You know, if you follow public polls
month and month, it looks like public opinion is moving
a lot. In truth most of the time, not all
of the time, but most of the time. The difference
is really because the polster is talking to different groups
(10:02):
of people and those changes and those those errors are
really artifacts of how the pole is designed, and how
the pole is conducted, and how the data is collected.
But there are various forms of response biases, and very
few polsters understand how to identify them, and then the
shield against it if you do identify it, and big
(10:23):
data is basically built off of the assumption that that
is true, which I know it is.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
We all do now.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
When I first started to argue that it wasn't widely understood,
it is now. But there are and I don't want
to give away the secret sauce here, but if you
look at larger numbers of people in the era of
declining response rates, if you look at larger numbers of
people and you make sure you know exactly who you're
talking to month and a month out, then it's Bigger is.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Better in polling.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Let me put it that way, all right, without giving
away too much. Bigger is better. So that's why that
reflects our name. Talk to me about you've done. We
had Mark Mitchell on last night. He was pretty adamant
about these numbers. Recently, President Trump, who should be peaking
given all the you know, President Trump today went through
a whole litany of successes, and they're pretty extraordinary. We're
(11:16):
also folks covering talking the OMB, guys covering this which
could be a significant vote in the Senate about shutting
down or basically defunding PBS and NPR billion dollars each,
plus the rest of the package, the recisions package. So
he's got victory after victory, but the poll numbers don't
show that, right at least that with Mark Mitchell Rasmus,
(11:37):
what do you show? He's exactly right. This should be
a period, especially during the summer, where Americans they're doing
their own thing. They're really only paying attention to big
news items. The passage of that bill is a big
news item. Within the bill, there are a lot of
popular provisions, but the White House did lose the messaging
(11:59):
war on this bill. I mean, it's very clear, and
that's the press release we have out today will show that,
and we're also releasing more.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I'll talk to you about those results now.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
We also asked about the economy and various items in
the economy and what the President's been focusing on and
the overall theme Steve is this a lot of his
successes are being stepped on or overshadowed by unpopular things
that are going on, fair or not is irrelevant. All
that matters is the optics and what the voters see
(12:29):
and their sentiment and how they feel, and they feel
that the president should have been you know.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I mean, let me put it this way.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Sixty years best wage growth in sixty years being stepped
on by another intervention in the Middle East that very
few people wanted any part of whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
We had a lot of other economic data.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Then the bill gets passed, right, and it's just one
thing after another that is not being celebrated and not
being touted. Democrats were able to make a lot of
people concerned over cuts to Medicaid and other programs in
the big beautiful bill. And in order to effectively rebut
the messaging from the Democrats, you had to be laser focused.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
But they were not laser focused. They were talking about this.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Onett and Yahoo, this one with that one. Now we're
gonna arm Ukrainians. I mean, Steve, I don't have to
explain this to you, and I'm doing this for the
benefit of the viewers.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I mean, this is not popular. These things are not popular.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Tax on tips, no tax on tips is popular.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Last weekend was the anniversary of Donald Trump surviving an
assassination attempt.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
This should have been a day of celebration.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Instead, it was being stepped on by how they mishandled
the More than that, not only how they mishandled the
Epstein situation, but then how they actually started to brow
the book voters for being anyone who was concerned over
how you know they mishandled this.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
So the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Is, you know you can't keep peeling off little parts
of your base and then expect your numbers to stay strong.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
You know you're gonna keep peeling five You hang five
there and end up in a bad spot.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Can you?
Speaker 7 (14:02):
And you can end up with apathy and complacently hanger
for one second. We'll hold you through the break. Is
the general thesis is that his accomplishments on the economic
side are so powerful and if you look at the
underlying data, the messaging is not there to put that
to the forefront and there the message discipline is they're
meandering all over other things that that people didn't vote
(14:23):
for or confused about. Is that the central your central thesis, Steve.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
That's the gist of it.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
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Speaker 6 (15:00):
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Speaker 8 (15:02):
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Speaker 7 (15:04):
Okay, we've got de Grasse about Texas on deck, and
we've got toime fitting about the CIA and this hopefully
this huge investigation that's going to be going on and
maybe kick off with a special council fitnel join us
here shortly. We want to finish with Richard Barriss. I mean, Barriss,
isn't the problem that you know, you have the core
base of MAGA and particularly these people. They come out
(15:28):
for Trump, they're associated with the Trump movement, they support
President Trump. But if they get cynical, if they get complacent,
if they get apathetic and don't turn out, we have
a massive problem in twenty twenty six and beyond right.
This is one of the reasons I've been hey Trump
twenty eight because we have not yet proven we can
turn out certain low propensity, lower information voters unless President
(15:52):
Trump's on top of the ticket. What are your thoughts
on particularly about what this? What's your polling shows.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You too few voters, I mean too few Republicans understand that.
Too few people in this space understand that the number
one priority for the Republican Party had to be to
get the voter that they voters. There are several groups
that they underperform with compared to Donald Trump. They have
to bring them into the fold. Some of them haven't
(16:18):
even been flirting with voting Republican. They left spaces blank
in districts like California thirteen where Duirte.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Went down, but Donald Trump carried the district.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Right, you look at statewide races like Mike Rogers, he
went down with Trump on the ballad Steve. So the
situation for them is a little bit more dire than
they understand. The redistricting effort did not go well, and
that's why the ones that are in process right now
moving forward are that important because as it stands right now,
the voter groups where Donald Trump is now himself starting
(16:49):
to hurt with those are the ones that Republicans needed
to bring into the fold. And just from the polling
this month, here are a couple of groups that need
to really stand out in people's minds. Eighteen to twenty
nine who voted for Donald Trump, though some of his
biggest decline this month came from that group, Hispanic men.
All Right, the groups where he did increase are kind
of funny, Steve, those who have a four year degree
(17:11):
or more, right, And that's great, perfect that help offset
some of the decline with con with his core voter
in his twenty four base, But it doesn't matter because
they're still voting Democrat at the generic ballad by ten points.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
So I mean, it's just it's like a pointless.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Bump that's going to evaporate in a month or two anyway,
even if it lasts that long. They're just happy he
bombed Ron for now, to be honest, and they'll go
back to disapproving of him, and what will be left
is a weakened base. And that is something that people
aren't understanding while they're again, you know, attempting to browbeat
all of these different groups. And a submission eighteen to
(17:48):
twenty nine year olds don't care about what's going on
all the way around the other side of the world.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
They didn't vote for him for that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I mean, it's just the reality that people are going
to have to start to face, you know. Moving look
what happened in twenty Republicans actually did win the House
vote in twenty two, but they still lost control. You know,
going forward in twenty four, there were very important areas
from California to New Jersey, all around the country, new
York seats in New York State where Donald Trump outperformed
(18:16):
the Republicans down ballot.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
They're simply out of time.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They can't afford to continue to carry on with business
as usual. They had to convince these voters that they
were becoming more like Donald Trump, not that Donald Trump
was becoming more like them.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
They're out of time.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I mean, so they are all these people, you know,
the clapping seals and the rest of them. They're going
to clap their way right into an utter defeat. I mean,
that's the reality. I mean, I'm not a sugarcoater. You
know me better than that, Steve. That is the situation.
And by the way, this month, Democrats took lead on
the generic ballot for the first time in our polling
since Donald Trump's second presidency began.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Barris, Where can people go to get all your new
analysis and everything over big data and hear your podcast?
Where they go.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
We're everywhere but the best places on locals, People's Pundent
dot locals dot com. You'll find you know, inside the
numbers there, you'll find it all there the Public Polling
Project where it's just how we do this, which is
support from you guys on Big down a poll dot com.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Go check it out.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But Locals is definitely the central hub for all things
People's Pundit, People's pundentt locals dot com.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Richard Barrisson, Thanks, brother, I appreciate you start starting off
the show to fantastic.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Anytime, All the best, Alex.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
De gross out, Alex de gross Given that we're focused
on Texas in Ohio, is this a is this a
Is this a bailout plan because we're nervous about twenty
twenty six or is this something logical we should be doing? Anyway?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
This is this is this is logical. I mean we
have to force the issue and make advancements. However we
can and play the Democrats game. Of course, the we
want fair lines. But we want to take advantage of
the law and you know, equal representation, and so if
there's the legal way to do this, then obviously why
wouldn't we. Of course, right, we have an obligation to
(20:09):
the country to ensure that we make the gains that
we can legally. And so you're looking at two. Maybe
they could force the issue to three. My advice would
be take what we can get and not try to
overextend where you might get jammed in court. I think
that those that have kind of gamed out the arms
race on this, people that are very focused on this
(20:31):
within the party, have gamed out that hey, actually this
if we fight this out, You've got California looking to
make a move. I'm sure you'll see New York other
folks that you know, they had been so aggressive in
the past that there's less they could probably squeeze.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Than we can.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
So we'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
But we're looking at five in Texas. Of course, I
was looking at some proposed maps that give us thirty seats,
who are Trump one by twenty plus in Texas, and
you'd flip five given the Democrats eight seats.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
All the hang on hang on, hang on, hang on,
hang on, hang on. You were looking at there's twenty potential.
You're saying there's twenty potential in Texas. Twenty potential that
could be readiss is.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
That five pickups were Trump won by twenty percent, so
you know safe, Okay, got it?
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Five pickups.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
You've got Texas seven.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Yep, I've got the numbers.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
You can move Texas seven from Democrat twenty to Republican twenty.
You can move Texas twenty eight from Republican seven to
Republican twenty one very easily without drawing any incumbents in
with each other. You can move Texas twenty nine from
a Democrat twenty to a Republican twenty.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Give or take.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Same thing with Texas thirty two Democrat twenty three to
Republican like twenty five even, And you can move Texas
thirty four from being a Trump by four points to
like twenty one. And then you could shore up some
of these seats fifteen, twenty three, twenty four that were
about you know, Trump by sixteen. You can move them
up four or five points. You'll leave Democrats with two
(22:05):
seats in Houston two seats in Dallas, two seats in Austin,
a seat in San Antonio and El Paso.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
You have this the question I was going to ask
you see the demographic shift of Hispanic citizens supporting Megan
supporting Trump. Is this taking advantage of that in South
Texas the River Grand Valley or is this realignment mainly
in the suburbs around the big cities, Sir?
Speaker 9 (22:32):
It's both.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
So, I mean, Hispanic shift, you know, has been aggressively ongoing,
obviously from the last time we did the redistricting, you know,
I mean, what was it a thirty point swing? I
think nowhere in the country moved more towards President Trump broadly.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
You've got the Bronx and you've got South Texas.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
So both areas heavily with Hispanic voters, obviously South Texas
fully and so for the most part, of course, And
so that that's exactly right, Steve.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
So it's both fronts. I mean, you're able to move
the numbers here all over the place.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
But you see Newsom's out there because it's interesting to see
because the way the Democrats have done it in their
states is they and we talked about on the show,
They've got.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
These community boards and these.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Sort of quote unquote independent groups, and you know, it's
harder for them to try to combat this, right, and
of course they've been jerry maner. You look at Illinois,
you look at California, you look at New York and
all these things. But they have to change their processes.
So Newsom said, hey, I'll take it to the voters.
We'll do a referendum. Change the rules allow the state
legislator to jerry mander. You know, that obviously would be problematic,
(23:36):
but it seems to be a little bit of a
longer process. So at least it might be a short
term buffer for us and maybe a longer term battling
it out, but protecting President Trump from of course they're
open about it. They'll impeach him and they'll seleve everything
down with the investigations. We have to prevent this at
all costs. I don't think anyone's worried about things. Poll
(23:58):
numbers go up, they go down.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
It's very early.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
You know, certainly it's incumbent on Republicans to sell the
big beautiful bill, and you know the positives in it
for New York, largest tax increase, tax cut ever, you know,
no tax, on tips, on security, a lot of childcare
provisions that poll very well. So all Republicans, and I
know many of them watched the show. Members of Congress
miamble advice, get out there, talk about the economic issues
(24:23):
and the results in contrast that with the Democrats results
on him.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
We started. They had they had to, you know, they've
had a day with the congressman, the guys in the
House to finally start talking about.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
The big beautiful bill.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
We had Jane Zirkele and yesterday in the six o'clock show,
we played twenty one straight minutes of interview Bank Bank Bank,
and she was asking what's the best, what's the one
still work. They all said, hey, we we have to
have more recisions, we have to work more cuts and spending.
But they talked up the economic advantages. You just heard
Barras and Mitchell will say the same thing. You know,
(24:57):
outside this self owner this fumble with Epstein, it's the
economic message. It's very powerful. And you see this in
the data, whether it's the tariffs, are real wages increasing,
it's not being sold aggressively enough. If that, if they
get on the tip of the if they start driving
that and talk about where this economy is going, in
the economics of it. It's a message that clearly is
(25:18):
going to resonate, particularly the type of people we have
to get out there. But I just want to reiterate
something you said, because I think the Republicans and even
the MAGA base are forming themselves in this. If you
look at what's happening in New York City right, which
is the future of the Democratic Party right, particularly the
Working People's Party in DSA. The ground game they have,
and I think this thing in New York City is
(25:38):
very serious. They're not just going to impeach Trump, They're
going to come after criminal charges on everybody. These people are.
This is a combination of neo Marxism meets radical jihad,
and they're the exact opposite end of the spectrum of
the mega movement. Sir, your thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
You know, I talked about that on the show.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I think it was right before I got married, but
had more feedback from people. I mean literally, I got
so many texts from people that watched it. We did
a kind of a deep dive on mom Damie.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
You know they're not building this army, steven sending them home.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
You don't build a political machine like this, and then
you take the mayorship for the communists and then you say, okay, everyone,
let's go home. They are building this and it wasn't
just in the city Buffalo, Albany, I mean cities of state.
You have read fully communists type people DSA folks that
are winning in their primaries. And I think that's really
important for people to understand. We have to be aware
(26:31):
of what our political opponents are. And they're back by
the CCP. I mean, this stuff is crazy. We could
talk about it all day. And they are coming for
all of us, not just of course the President, but
any of those and the lovers of power that have
stood in the breach.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
They will punish all of us. They are dangerous people,
I believe, of course.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Yeah, hang on one second. I just want to hold
you for a few minutes. On the other side, Tom
Fitten is going to join US Congressman Mark Harris in
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people say? Those are the polsters understand President Trump and
they're very pro Trump. Last night we had Mark Mitchell
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You're a polling fanatic. What is your what is your
what's your takeaway? And what needs to be done? What
then needs to be done?
Speaker 9 (28:22):
Sir, thanks Geed. So look, I think it's important it's
at the stage here.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
I mean, this is President Trump's Republican party and so
it's more unique than you know, past cycles where people
have you know, the brand.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
And this and that.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I mean, President Trump built a historic, very unique coalition
and going into this material, of course, it's incumbent on
Republicans on the ballot this year, since President Trump is
not Senate House of different down ballot races that you know,
we need to lift all boats and work together and
maintain President Trump's coalition. Right, he's got ma he's got Democrats,
he's got you know, it's very unique. It's not the
(28:56):
traditional you know, Republican sort of voting voter target base.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
That we're focused on.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
And so you know, all Republican House members really have
to think of those cells. Like, hey, you run a
media company, you know this is you have to get
content out to the people directly.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
You need to educate people on what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I think it's impressive that the House and leadership and
the President and Senate they got this done at the
time they did, and so we've got more time to
sell and most importantly, more time to get more recisions
another you know, big bill to continue to move the needle.
And it's not going to be an overnight, quick process.
Everyone's got to be out there hammering on local TV,
not just in the Fox, you know, not just in
(29:35):
the talking.
Speaker 9 (29:35):
To our own people.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You got to be focused on those sort of low
propensity I don't want to you know, low information. You know,
people that are living their lives are not really paying attention.
They maybe see the news about Epstein, this and that,
and they're kind of wondering, but they need to see
the news about the results that President Trump and House
Republicans have delivered.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
And things are early.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Polls go up, that go down, see if people adjust people.
You know, there's rategy. I mean it's very early, of course,
and I know that MAGA forces are coalescing a lot
of money and resources and strategy to focus on the
issues that matter in the BLEDZ you know, next next year.
But for now, it's really on House members, Senate, you know,
get out there like people did yesterday.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
I mean new medium, row media, row.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
And educate voters because I think some people have no idea, Steve.
I mean I don't know if people know that their
taxes got cut, if you're in the working class, if
you're in the service industry and things like that, and
so when people are aware of that, I think they're
very popular.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
I mean, this is a and where do they get that.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
So digress, we just kept off twenty twenty six with Texas.
We'll spend more time on that. I want to thank you.
Where do people go to find out more about you,
particularly if they want to reach out to you today
on this quite brain analysis you've given us, sir, So
if you.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Want to email me at a team at least for
Congress dot com, and we'll make sure to get all
that inks. People love reaching out. But I'm at to
grass eighty one on X scatter truth. Thank you, Steve,
Thank you the possible. We'll gear up and keep this
thing going. Of course, thank you, sir.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
You were such a central figure in the last midterm,
particularly about all the redistioning got on top of it early,
which you have to people also should continue to focus
on that, and we'll do much more on this situation
in New York that is the future of the Democratic Party.
And it's not only not going to go away, it's
going to metastasize. Very very serious of what we've allowed
(31:36):
to happen. Tom Fitten joins us. One of the reasons
we've allowed this to happen is that we have not
taken apart the deep state, which wants an empire but
is very anti American. Tom, You've been all over this,
I guess is broadening criminal investigation, potential investigation. It hasn't
actually formed up yet to get a special prosecutor, although
(31:57):
we understand that maybe in the works. What is this
You put out another TikTok this morning? What is your
focus on this thing and what are your concerns?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, Ratcliffeler released this CIA report, and congratulations to the
Justice Department and FBI for doing everything they could, seemingly
over the last two weeks to distract from that confirming though,
that the Obama gang rigged up a Intelligence Community assessment,
high level, top secret document that was literally designed to
(32:32):
launder the Steele dossier into the public domain to try
to destroy Trump at the beginning of his presidency. Indeed,
it led to criminal investigations, helped lead to the removal Flynn, etc.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
And it was all done from the top down.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
This was not an intelligence community assessment about the impact
of Russia on the elections that kind of brought together
traditional analysis.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
They made the decision we're going to put the dossier
in there.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
In fact, the FBI mandated it, and then you had
John Brennan endorse.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
It as well. And so when you look at.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This review by Ratcliffe's team, it's clear they put material
in there that didn't have any basis to suggest that
Putin wanted Trump elected, when in fact there was a
basis to suggest that Putin generally was just messing around
with US and b he presumed Hillary was going to
be president and wanted to impair her. But instead they
(33:36):
went with the fake lead generated as a result of
a joint partnership between the FBI under Obama and the
Hillary Clinton campaign to create this dossier and make it
a core part of this fake intelligence community assessment, which
by the way, was so sensitive it was sent out
to two hundred people in the government almost immediately.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
It leaked within twenty four or forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It led to the disclosure and full publication of the
Steel Report, and the rest is awful.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
History given the disclosure we've had, and we're going to
have Jefferson Morley on tonight about the disclosure about the CIA.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Understand knowing who and knowing well in advance of of
who Oswald was, and maybe even some contact with some
of their front groups with Oswald made wanting to come
to work. You've now had decade after decade after decade.
Why is this some hang up now for us to
go full throttle on this and actually start a significant
(34:45):
criminal investigation. These intelligence services and the FBI have been
out of control, and it's obvious they tried to have
a Let me ask you, do you believe they tried
to have a coup against President Trump in his first term?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Sir well, I think the Molar investigation w was aku
was designed to try to throw him out of office,
pressure him to remove either through impeachment or through the
embarrassment of fake criminal allegations. It didn't work in the end.
Maybe it did work in part he lost the election,
So we can't under we can't underplay. You know, the
(35:20):
fact that he wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean he quote one.
It just means they got their pound of flesh. Differently,
and so you know the CIA report.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Although although our although our theory at the war room
and we think this needs to be done, we're saying
that the intelligence apparatus, he didn't. Nobody goes from sixty
three million votes to seventy four million votes and loses.
This thing was absolutely stolen. The fake ballots of Biden
that have never shown up since that was a intelligence
was intelligence apparatus. Also, my point is, yes, I understand,
(35:55):
but my point is the the deep state still has
not had a glove laid on them, and this is
I think part of the problem I've argued with the
Epstein situation. People want accountability. Even people that are late
to this story and don't know much about Epstein, they
think something's murky here. There are dark forces behind the
scenes that are actually calling the shot. You've been one
(36:16):
of the top voices of actually holding this accountable through
four your requests and through going to court, and it
strikes people as odd that you have to do this
so often during President Trump's administration, when the deep state
is still targeted President Trump for removal. If President Trump
ors people around him, don't think the first action the
Democrats are going to do on January third or fourth
(36:40):
of what twenty twenty seven is to move to impeach him.
They're just they're completely wrong. This is the entire focus
is to take Trump down and to break his movement.
Tom Finton, you.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
Know, and you make the good point. Because President Trump
is concerned.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That there may be people in the list that should
not be there, whose names will be they'll be embarrassed
as a result of just guilt by association. I would
suggest that he broaden his thinking on this and recognize
this isn't about Epstein.
Speaker 8 (37:10):
This is about DC corruption.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It's the most readily apparent a political example of it,
because both Democrats and Republicans when you see eighty percent
poll numbers saying people want the Epstein records released, that
they're onto something politically right. And I would hope the
politicians here in DC follow the lead.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
But I tell you I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
The handling of the Epstein matter by the FBI and
the Justice Department further confirmed that they can't be trusted
across the street on their own. And I don't think
the agencies institutionally are capable of the types of sophisticated,
comprehensive or dare I say it competent criminal investigations a
(38:02):
into themselves or b into agencies like the CIA who
were at the center of this grand conspiracy against Trump.
This is why I've said it once, I'll say it again.
President Trump should run the investigations and the prosecutions directly
from the White House through a close appointed official who
(38:23):
reports directly to him, bringing the best of the best
from federal agencies outside of the FBI and DOJ to
conduct the investigations and prosecutions if necessary. And he is
the magistrate in chief, he can run it. He can say,
go after this person if the law requires that there's
evidence that suggests this person committed a crime. Investigated, if
(38:47):
the evidence is there, investigated, Arrest Komy, he threatened my life.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Prosecute Garland.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
He's in contempt of Congress for hiding the Bidens the
Biden and auto pen scandal, mainly the audio of his
crazed interview with the special counsel her. He's in contempt
for refusing to turn out over in order to protect Joe.
There are all sorts of things he can direct, specifically
(39:16):
the prosecution of or investigation of, And it doesn't mean
these people aren't protected by the Constitution. It's the same
civil rights protections and civil protections they would have if
they were subject to DOJ investigations. But the DOJ can't
do it. They've got too many James Comy's over there.
As it is, the leadership is under siege. Just with
(39:40):
the day to day work they have to do to
deal with the judicial law fare. That's enough for any
Attorney general just to deal with take it off their plate.
They can go to town doing whatever else they need to
do in terms of protecting his agenda. But this lawfare,
this attack on armed republic that we still haven't recovered from,
needs to be pursued directly by the President.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
I just want to go Tom, if we can just
hold you shortly through the break. On the other side,
there is some sort of obviously investigation going on. We're
seeing leaks about it, about Brennan and other people. You're
arguing it's time to bring that together. The best way
to bring that together announce a special counsel, letting deal
with all of it. Right, and most importantly, given what
(40:29):
Mike Davis, the Worm, etc. Have been saying now over
the last couple of years, President Trump's Article two powers
right Article two powers make it incumbent that that Special
Council report to the Office of the President and not
over the DOJ. They're they're fully occupied with defending this
presidency and working the mass deportations at the border. Tom
(40:50):
Finton's on on deck, backing out.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Here's your Stephen k Ban.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
Okay, right there, you see the Honor Guard is getting ready.
The Crown Prince and Prime Minister of Bayrain is going
to come for a bielat with the President. I think
there's going to be a press avail or. Brian glenns
that we're going to cut to that in the eleven
o'clock hour as soon as it starts. Probably he arives
around eleven o'clock. Let's keep that right there. Tom Finton,
(41:24):
you are so revered in this movement and for this
particular reason your investigations. Just give us your thoughts. Give
me a minute or two on where do we go
from here. What's your best recommendation how we get into
a real investigation of the deep state.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, on Epstein, it's a relatively straightforward solution. Just give
us the records under Foya, describe what the records are,
what they're if they're withholding anything, tell us why, and
there's a core process for it, and if we don't
like it, we can challenge it. But at least it's
a transparency that we don't have currently because of this
(42:02):
awful memo that was sent out. They need to change
their position on it. Indeed, were already in court, I
mean just last week they told the court they're looking
for and reviewing Epstein records from the FBI and Justice Department.
Just get it done and have a and the President,
in my recommendation, would be to personally involve himself in
this and direct that the Foyer process proceede to pace,
(42:25):
meaning quickly, you know.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
And on this deep state issue, I think there needs
to be a.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Broad investigation initially. I keep on hearing there's something coming.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Oh, there's been a referral for the Brennan investigation. Commey's
under investigat. Why hasn't Comey been arrested. It's six months
into the administration. It's inexcusable that there hasn't been a
comprehensive investigation yet, no matter what its flavor or color
in terms of the FBI or Special Council into the
(42:55):
warfare against Trump, they've been circling around it. And if
if it's happened, it's a secret. It's more secretive than
the Epstein records. And I don't believe that you can
keep a secret like that secret. So it ain't happening yet, folks,
it ain't happening.
Speaker 8 (43:13):
Now we're promised it will happen. But I've you know,
this isn't my first rodeo. I've heard that before.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
We're burning Yeah, we're burning daylight. And it needs to
announce a special counsel. It should report to the Office
of the President, not to Justin Berman. Tom, where do
people go to get because you're putting up information all
day long, sir, where do folks go to get it?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
They go to judicialwatch dot org judicial watch when we're
dot org and of course we're all over social media,
both me and judicial Watch. We got six hundred and
fifty thousand people supporting us, not just tuning in writing
us checks. This is the one of the broadest grassroots
movement against government corruption in the history of the country.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
Little old Judicial Watch.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
Nope, like I said, my one hundred year old dad,
that check he sent. Tom Finton was the one who
says got the best return on investment. Ever, Tom Finton,
appreciate you, sir. Keep fighting. We'll be all over this.
Saffron and Jefferson Morley is going to be the biographer of
Angleton is going to join us about this blockbuster story
yesterday in the Washington Post. We'll get all to it.
(44:24):
Congressman Mark Harris joins us. Now, Congressman Harris, you're going
after the NEA with like, why are you picking on
the one group that's made American public school education a
platinum level that the whole world envy? Sir? Why are
you picking on them? Why are you picking on them? Harris?
Speaker 11 (44:42):
Well, Steve, I'll thank you first of all for having me.
I'm very honored to be with you today. But hey, listen,
I think all of the American people agree that the
NEA has gone off the rails, and we're just stepping
out today. Just completed a press conference just a few
minutes ago clearing that we are moving forward for Congress
to actually repeal or take away the charter that the
(45:07):
NEA received in nineteen hundred and six. And when you
go back and look at how they started or how
that charter was granted, and here we are almost one
hundred and twenty years later and they have completely completely
gone off the rails. And I think the American people
see it and recognize it, and I think it's time
for Congress to step up and at least take this
(45:30):
very very simple, straightforward action of repealing that charter.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
What will happen if and when the Charter's appeal the
charter is repealed? What will happen?
Speaker 11 (45:44):
Well, primarily, what it will do is send a message
that we are removing the stamp of approval that that
currently is placed upon anyone that holds this federal Charter.
And it sends a message that the NEA simply become
a political machine of leftist activists that have could completely
(46:07):
become misguided in everything that they were set out to
do from the beginning. And you know, it doesn't dissolve
the NEA. They certainly have a right to do what
they do or exist, but it should certainly remove Congresses
still of approval that would in any way, shape or
form be mistaken.
Speaker 7 (46:28):
Is that your number one concern that if you see
this New York City race, et cetera, you can see
what these folks have done in these grade schools with
these young kids to kind of be to propagandaize them
that they're really political operations that are not there to
just make sure the kids get the best education. Is
that your central beef.
Speaker 11 (46:45):
It is our children are not meant to be in
school to be brainwashed. They're sent there to be educated
and if we are focused more on math and reading
and writing. And in fact, I guess that was one
of the things that really got my attention. In two
thousand nineteen at their convention, they had an opportunity, a
business item in front of them that basically called for
(47:07):
them to and in fact, just so your listeners here,
it says, the National Education Association will rededicate itself to
the pursuit of increased student learning in every public school
in America by putting a renewed emphasis on quality education.
Any a will make student learning the priority of this association.
(47:27):
And Steve, they voted that down. And when they can
no longer say that they're going to look out for
the best interest of students, they've become nothing but the opposite.
They oppose parent involvement. They are brainwashing our children with
the things that they are propagating through their political activities.
(47:47):
And furthermore, we can no longer put our stamp of
approval a group. They're the only a labor union, if
you will, that is federally recognized, and we need to
step up and say they don't need this charter. It
needs to be taken away.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Congressman, where do people go today right now to get
more information about your crusade to take the charter away?
Where do they go?
Speaker 11 (48:11):
Well, I would encourage them to check out Moms for Liberty.
Moms for Liberty has been one of the key organizations
that has been a great inspiration in all of this,
and I would encourage them to check that out. And
because they stood with us in the press conference, and
we've got a number of co sponsors all ready for
this bill, and any support and encouragement would be helpful.
Speaker 7 (48:34):
Congressman Mark Harris of the great state of North Carolina,
thank you, sir, thank you for coming on the show,
and thank you for sponsoring this. We're going to get
everybody to go to the site today and check it
out and getting back you so thank you, thank you.
Sod ahead, Mark Harris and North Carolina standing up for
the children of this nation. Short commercial break, will return
(48:55):
to the Oval Office
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