THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4943)

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON - NOVEMBER 21st, 2025

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
President Trump, of course, accusing that group of democratic lawmakers
of seditious behavior that he says could be quote punishable
by death. It's an all caps claim from the President
of the United States, and it comes after the lawmakers,
all of whom served in the military or intelligence community,
served this country.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
His messages were very clear.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
He views anybody who challenges him, who seems to tell
people not to listen to him to listen to illegal orders,
of being traders. Basically he has Now it's still the
first time he said that people who stand up to
him or who disagree with him are committing treason. He
says that with some regularity, ands he blends the idea

(00:45):
of loyalty to him to being loyalty to the state.
It's literally a case where he is saying that these
people who are saying don't do anything illegal, that that
amounts to seditions, saying don't do something illegal.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
A mouse's desician.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Now you hear the White House person can say, well, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Not really mad.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
You're you're all getting worked up about things.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
You're overinterpreting, you're distorting, and as as Senator Jones says,
let's let's see, you know, must assume that that's true,
but there's a discordant message, and he wants the first
message to be out there. He wants them to think
that they are at risk. He wants to intimidate people
by making them think that they would suffer consequences if
they say things that he doesn't like.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
These people are lying through their through their teeth. These
people are lying through.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Their teeth insects, and it's just half.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
It was like it was like Joe Biden when he said,
yes that these people are lying than they are. Mike
Johnson knows that this is all about what military men
and women need to do to uphold their sacred oath,
and that is not commit illegal actions. And they know that,

(02:00):
and yet they keep lying through their teaml.

Speaker 7 (02:02):
Rhetoric allows the President to use his platform and his
bully pulpit to say things like this about members of Congress.
I also think it's worth remembering what happened on January sixth,
when the same kind of rhetoric that the President used
then when talking about overturning the results of a lawful
election led to some of his supporters to build the

(02:23):
gallows on the ground of of Capitol Hill, aimed for
or with the intention of sending a message to Vice
President Mike Pence. So words have actions. The president knows
that words have actions. One of those actions is quite rightly,
what you're saying is the distraction that comes from throwing
things out like this.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
But it's more than just words.

Speaker 7 (02:45):
It's very dangerous words that his people may act upon.

Speaker 8 (02:50):
Les we can. We're all leading with everything that Donald
Trump said. And now I go back to what I've
just said. When his press secretary was asked specifically, did
he mean to execute where she said no, And quite frankly,
I wish the media would just stop right there and
just don't leave it at that, and not any air
to anything else.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
He didn't mean that.

Speaker 8 (03:09):
Of course he is saying that, and people are hearing
things in a you know, look, there are folks out
there that hear things differently than what a normal ear
will hear.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
And that is the frightening thing about this.

Speaker 8 (03:21):
We have seen it time and time again and it
is still on the rise. And the thunder in chief
of this is Donald Trump, and he knows he knows
exactly what he's doing. It's very difficult for the media
and for folks like us to not talk about it.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
But at the same time, I think that we need to.

Speaker 8 (03:38):
Also be very careful and how we present this and
make sure that we understand that even his own office
is saying that that is not what he meant. Let
the chips fall where they're going to fall everywhere else.
But let's get away from any talk about violence.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
In crackdown in Charlotte, North Carolina is not over in
despite earlier reports that the operation had concluded. Initially, the
Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office said yesterday that Border Patrol had
ended its immigration enforcement operation in the city, nearly a
week after the agency first deployed agents to the state's

(04:14):
most populated city, But just hours later, several local media
outlets reported DHS officials had informed them the operation was
still active.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Picture and would not be ending. Just look at that
picture anytime soon.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
If you're in Carolina, if you're in North Carolina, a
swing state, and you see that like by like where
you're your kid you're picking your kids up for school, yeah,
Or if you see that downtown, or if you see
that by a mall, or you see it by a
Pickley wiggley, I.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Mean, what are you thinking?

Speaker 6 (04:47):
Well you're not thinking, oh, these are the good old days.
I mean you're thinking, like, man, come on, it.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Looks like an occupying army.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
Yeah, why are.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
You occupying like Billy Graham's hometown.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's what their friends.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Mom is taken away by these people.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
I don't know, a desk check.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
It's really not just not a good look.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It doesn't deal American Well, it's just not.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
It doesn't and it's not a good look for It's
just not a good look for.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
People in Charlotte.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
It's not a good good look for this administration. I mean, listen,
there are ways to do this, Yeah, there are ways.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
This is not the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So as of yesterday, Homeland Security said more than three
hundred and seventy people had been arrested in the Charlotte
area since the operation launched last week.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies, because we're going to medieval.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
In these people.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
You've not got a free shot.

Speaker 8 (05:50):
All these networks lying about the people, the people have
had a belly full of it.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've
tried to do everything in the world to stop there.
But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the
big line?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Mega media?

Speaker 4 (06:05):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
For He's your host, Stephen K.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Bath.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
It's Friday, twenty one November, year of a lower twenty
twenty five. We are absolutely packed today and nothing but
work for you guys. So we're going to be manning
the ramparts on many, many, many different topics. From Tina
Peters is in the hole in the shoe, the special
housing unit out in out in Colorado. We got redistricting.
We have this situation with President Trump where they're trying

(06:50):
to countermand his orders. Already, this is getting as nasty
as nasty, as nasty as possible. And yes, morning, Joe,
thirty thousand students have not attended the public school system
in Charlotte because they're staying out because they're illegal aliens.
And I'm sorry, the president has a mandate to do

(07:12):
mass deportations and then go to the work sites and
the start rousing up to CEOs and CFOs that are
paying to see these construction sites. It has to happen.
American citizens want jobs and American students have to get
a great education. You can't do this. You can't come
here illegally. We're sorry that it offends your sensibility. So
there's so much going on with the deep State, with everything,

(07:35):
and this I'm telling you, these former CIA officials and
military officers looking into a camera and basically trying to
institute seditious treason right is a problem. It's got to
be dealt with. John Solomon. Yesterday you had at National Cathedral,
you had the deep state come together for chenees'e for

(07:56):
Chenese funeral. And you've got this thing right now. They're
pressing President Trump, and President Trump went back and said, hey,
we're not going to let you interfere with orders he
gives his commander in chief. Last night, a federal judge
ordered the National Guard out of I think, out of Washington,
d C. In three weeks. Somebody could could somebody could

(08:18):
take that as an illegal order to do it. The
Supreme Court. We've won twenty one of twenty three cases
at the Supreme Court. What they're doing is jeopardizing the
national security, and they're jeopardizing the safety and security the
American people. John Solomon, Well, listen.

Speaker 9 (08:34):
I was sitting in an airport a couple of weeks ago,
coming back in the morning. Morning Joe was on, and
there's a guy sitting next to me in the breakfast
restaurant watching it. And he looked over to me and said,
people who watch that show must be sentenced to a
life of stupidity, meaning that they just want their stupid
ideas reaffirmed. And I smiled and said it up. I
get where you're coming from. You know what they said

(08:55):
in that little three four minute did he is all stupid.
It's not what the American people told the president they wanted.
They did want those guys in Camo. And the only
reason those guys in Gals and Camo are there is
because a president unlocked.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Our border and allowed murderers.

Speaker 9 (09:10):
And rapists and sex traffickers and drug cartels to pour
across the border in the millions, and Donald Trump was.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Forced to do it.

Speaker 9 (09:16):
Donald Trump wouldn't be deploying the National Guard if that
situation hadn't been allowed to happen. The American people have
figured this out. The greatest sin that the Democrats have
is that they think the American people are stupid. They
think the men and women in the uniform are stupid,
so they say something like, oh, you must obey, disobey
and illegal order. Those guys aren't going to disobey a

(09:38):
presidential order. Those men and women believe in the command structure.
They believe in the greatness of this country. They don't
believe in DEI, they don't believe in CRT and communism
and Madami.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
They believe in the greatness of America.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
They're going to follow the orders because the orders are
lawful and they believe in this country. It's those who
go on and spread this propaganda that are trying to
destroy And it's those men and women who were treated
stupidly by that group of congressmen that are today going
to do the right thing, and tomor A going to
do the right thing because they're not influenced by the
stupidity of democratic politics.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
You've been doing some great report and we'll get to
this in a second, but you see the brazenness right
now of the apparatus of the deep state of the
opposition of Trump, and I'm telling folks, Yep, this is
going to get so much worse. They're coming now. They're
coming in for the kill.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
They think they've got a little momentum coming off the election.
They got a little momentum on the economy. They've got
people in Indiana standing up to him, other people right
about the reditioning. Is all this but the most aggressive
of these and a lot of those are in that video.
But you're going to see now it's going to be
open season on President Trump from every direction. I want
to tell this posse you better get ready because man,

(10:45):
they're going to roll, and they're going to roll hard.

Speaker 10 (10:47):
John Solomon, Yeah, listen, they've had some mabbin flows, but
they've been an open season since the guy came down
the Golden Elevator in twenty fifteen, and they've gone everything
outside the constitution and inside the constitution.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Try to stop them.

Speaker 9 (11:01):
You have a judge yesterday that tried to pour or
two days ago that tried to portray the indictment of
James Comy is an unlawful indictment that the grand jury
got suckered into indicting the guy. And then you go
look at the transcript of the grand jury knew exactly
what it was doing. When a judge does that, he
dishonors everyone who wears the black robe. When members of

(11:23):
Congress implicitly try to suggest, hey, you guys are too
stupid to know a lawful and unlawful wader, so we've
got to help you defy the President of United States,
they think those soldiers are stupid. They're just in an
era of all lot war because they see something going on.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
The country is more read by day. There's going to be.

Speaker 9 (11:41):
A ruling in early spring next year that's going to
end the racial jury managering which has propped up the
Democratic Party with fake congressional districts, and they've got to
find some other tactic to win.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Now.

Speaker 9 (11:53):
What has to be down on the other side for
Republicans is they got to wise up. They gotta stop
talking about things that don't matter to the American people.
Are they're going to get their dairy years kicked in
twenty twenty six. They got to go out and do
the hourly voting machinery they did in twenty four and
forgot about in twenty five. It's about the kitchen table.
It's about the dinner table. It's about the water cooler.
Don't focus on international silly, stupid warfare among people who

(12:15):
know no one's ever heard of two percent of Americans
who nick flint Is, and yet millions and millions of
comments have been wasted on social media. How about talking
about the fact that eggs and electricity and a gas
and prescriptions are down. How about talking about the greatest
corporate welfare program that Democrats created and then close the
government on so that their big fat cat donors could

(12:37):
get their next trunch of fake subsidies to keep their
profits up. Those are the things that are going to
win the next election, along with early voting. I want
to say this again. Until the Republicans have the courage,
and they don't have it, until they have the courage
to restore election day instead of election trimester, we're going
to have to Republic's going to have to play the
same game. Otherwise it's like going out in a football

(12:58):
game without your wide receive even you're running back, and
then wondering why you lost at the end of the game.
So the great early voting operation that President Trump did
in twenty four was non existent.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
In twenty five. They should be ashamed of them stuff.

Speaker 9 (13:09):
You win elections by getting people to the polls and
talking about the issues that people want addressed. And there's
a lot that Republicans have done. They haven't sold a
single penny of it.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
John, I want to hold you through the break. I
know you're busy back casual break. Just give me a
minute teeing up in this newest story you've got because
I'm saying about the deep state and the administrative state,
they're getting more brazen because of not being held account.
You've got Maybe just tease it and we'll hold. Tell
me about the pipe bomb, because the pipe bomb has
been getting millions of hits over the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 9 (13:40):
What's reality four years later, we just found out there's
a third stop on the pipe bombers trip when they
were planting the bombs, and it was the Congressional Back
Caucus Institute. The person kneeled down there for a period
of time. You think our government might have told us
that before the last four years. It's a new data point,
it's a new piece of video footage. It suggests maybe
they ask them familiar already with that era that was

(14:01):
never given to us.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
We can talk about down here side.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Break, John Salomon's with US Shore commercial break. Jim Hoft
is also going to join this amazing reporting over at
the Gateway Pundit. We're gonna get into that about the
treason and the treason and seditious conspiracy. There's a grand
jury down there about the first ten years that John
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blown up is how we finding out a third stop?

Speaker 8 (15:46):
What?

Speaker 4 (15:46):
How many years later is it? Six? Seven years later?
How do we find out? Why do we find out
now it's a third stop? Sir?

Speaker 9 (15:55):
Well, because a member of Congress did the gum shoe
work and he took the map. I had the map
showing that person going by the Congressional Black Caucus, and
he went and looked at the video, like, wait a second.
They stopped there, they kneeled down. Could they have planted
a bomb? Where did they know? The place was out?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
A place familiar with them? So they felt like a
moment of safety.

Speaker 9 (16:13):
Congressman very loud of the chairman of the January sixth Committee,
who doesn't get even a lot of support from his
own caucus, went in and found that, and the FBI
is grateful. But the FBI said last night, thank you, Chairman,
We're gonna work on it.

Speaker 11 (16:24):
Now.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
Here's what I think my reporting indicates. The FBI is
very close to getting to breaking the January sixth case.
They are surrounding a group of people and they're getting
closer to this out. In that case, I would not
be surprised by Christmas if we have some clarity about
what happened there.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
So keep an eye on that.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
I think the other thing that's going on, and you know,
there's a lot to be frustrated. Mark Mitchell's tirade the
other day is all right when it comes to the data,
and Scott Rasmus has been warning about the same thing there.
The Republicans are off message and misaligned with the people
who are rooting for them to succeed. But lots of
good things are going to come around the corner to
take that deep dark place that the Democrats are tugging

(17:03):
us to. Right now, you're going to probably have a
solution of the January sixth case. It's going to blow
people's minds. You're going to soon see that the Justice
Department will confirm in public that they have authorized a
grand conspiracy case looking at everything from the IRS and
twenty fourteen down to Jack Smith and the destruction of
the documents that was going on the five days before
President Trump took office as one ongoing criminal conspiracy. It's

(17:26):
going to treat the Democratic deep state as a RICO operation.
That is a big moment, most likely to be done
in Florida. I think they're ready to announce that soon.
Those are big moments. And once people start getting convicted,
once they get charged with crimes that everybody can understand,
I think the country's going to turn and say, wait,
these guys are cheating.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
And then in March, I think that.

Speaker 9 (17:47):
Louisiana case will radically change the map for years to
kind of the Democrats are going to be desperate to
win the next year's election so they could stack the
Supreme Court and reverse it. But if they lose next year,
because redistrict happens, accountability began. Their deep dart secrets that
they lie to us are exposed and the Republicans show

(18:08):
that the approach that President Trump took actually fundamentally made
our economy better. Right now, Donald Trump is in a
weird dynamic. The economy is getting better, but people don't
feel It's just like George H. W. Bush in ninety
two say the economy is better, nobody felt it yet,
so he lost to Bill Clinton. I think that economy
is going to start to get better in the spring
of next year, and people are going to be in
a little bit wetter mood and things are going to turn.

(18:31):
But a lot has to happen, and people have to
stay at message and stay on course. They were given
a mandate. They passed a few things that are part
of the mandate. Trump stopped the board great, but a
lot of the other items of the mandate aren't real
to people that they haven't gotten down to the kitchen table,
the water cooler, and Donald Trump has to get people there.
I think he needs an Oval Office address. I think
he should go out to the American people next week

(18:51):
and say here's my ten month update, made.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Some things better. I've got a lot of better things
to do.

Speaker 9 (18:56):
He's got to speak to young people in Hispanics who
are bleeding from him right now out they will come
back in a second if the president just tells him
how he's going to make their lives better. I think
he's got to do that before Thanksgiving, and I think
this country will be in a better mood going into
the holidays, and by early next year there will be
enough historical events to reassure people that what they voted
for was.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
What they got, by the way, UH, Secretary best in
Navars in studio yesterday, we had a guess on the
other day. They agree with you about this, about this pivot.
Two things, louder Milk, I know he's not getting a
let of support up there with the official apparatus. What
can this? What can what can what can rev? What
can John Solomon?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Just the news?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
What can war room? What can we do to have
auto mix back? Because when you say he's about to
solve it, not just a pipe bomb, he's doing a
much better on J six, correct.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I think it's good. I think it's going to be
the FBI that side of the popbine. I think they
may be close to solving the gallows UH.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
And I think they may have some other information about
unusual behavior in the law enforcement community that's going to
look like Russia, Russia Russia of the January sixth version.
I'd keep an eye the January sixth Committee, but i'd
keep an eye in the FBI. I think Bongino and
Patel and Bondi are getting closer to putting this thing
together and helping people understand what happened that day was

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what we saw with our eyes wasn't actually everything that happened. Now,
some people acted badly, no doubt about it, but there
were many other things that went on. Getting to the
bottom of that and giving people a reminder that there
was a fresh illusion.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Something was made to look like what it was.

Speaker 9 (20:27):
Can boomerang on the Democrats, just like Epstein's going to
boomerang on the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
It is beginning to boomerang.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
I want to point one lesson because I do think
that the Chief Justice John Roberts oz American people an
ounce of discipline for the men and women in the
black robes beneath his court. He's the chief disciplinarian of
the judiciary branch. And right now we are in a
bad version of judges gone wild. It is worse than
spring break on the bench. All around this country. You

(20:54):
have judges making proclamations not based in the law. You
have a judge, Judge Boseburg, that actually offer their eyes
the executive branch to spy on members of Congress by
getting their phone data. Not that they weren't listening in
the conversations, they weren't wire tapping the conversations, but they
were knowing who they were talking, where they were taking
while they were doing their job in Congress. It is
a clear violation of the separations of power. It's a

(21:15):
clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. And his rationale was,
if you tell Congress, which is what the law required,
they might abscond with the evidence, which is preposterous. The
evidence wasn't in their hands, it was in the phone companies.
They couldn't abscond with it. A judge like that has
to be called out by the Chief Justice. And if
the Chief Justice doesn't have the courage to do that,

(21:38):
if the Chief Justice doesn't have the courage to bring
the men and women back to hey, it's the law,
not the politics. It's not the person, it's the evidence.
If he doesn't do that, he will be the chief
Justice who presided over the greatest degradation of our great
judicial system in history. John Roberts has got to step
up to the plate like other people and start to
bring in and rein in this wayward judiciary.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It is wayward.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
John, John. Yes, separation of powers, but the separation of
powers of the flip side is checks and balances. We
found out I think last night Jim Jordan. They've they
tapped Jim Jordans from and got his metadata for two
years you phoned out for two years from now. They've
gone to the right, They've gone to shouldn't we you know,
waiting for Roberts is one thing, and the Supreme Court,

(22:23):
I think is doing a very good job of looking
over and reinforcing President Trump's interpretation of the Article two powers.
We're going to talk about that in a second with Hoft.
But aren't we at the point where so many, so
many of these things go back to Bosburg? Is shouldn't
judiciary initiate the process of impeaching Bosburg at least start

(22:44):
the hearings.

Speaker 9 (22:46):
They will, and that'll be a good exercise for education.
It'll get to the Senate where nothing ever gets done.
There's not sixty six votes, so Boseburg will not be removed.
But and that's why, Well, you'll have the theater and
the education thing. The only discipline that's going to be
meet it out against a judge Bozberg or others who
defy the Supreme Court or the standards of conduct and
judiciary is for the chief disciplinary of the Court. Thirty

(23:08):
years ago, as a young reporter, I found a judge
in Milwaukee who was ruling in cases where he owned stock,
Judge Kern. Within two days of me writing that story,
Chief Justice Rehnquist stepped up and said, this is not
what judges do, and he created a significant reprimand that
sent a shockwave through the judiciary. John Roberts, well, the
Court has made great rulings on policy, which is what

(23:30):
they're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's their day job.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
There is a need for the Chief Justice to remind
every judge that it is time we have judges that
are leaking anonymously in news stories. We haven't even solved
the leak of a major Supreme Court cases, which is
one of the greatest institutional wrecks of the Supreme Court
in the history of this It's time for Chief Justice
Roberts to send a message they're not under attacked by MAGA.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
They're under attacked by their own failures.

Speaker 9 (23:55):
And it's time for him to say stop feeling like
victims and get back to the law. I think his
silence is such a sharp difference from what a Chief
Justice rank was shown thirty years ago. John Roberts should
go study that case. By the way I wrote the story,
have go study the case. He did the right thing
and it sent a shockway through judges. No more ruling
in cases you have money, and he could do the
same thing here, and I think a lot of judges

(24:16):
would snap too.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
John Solomon, just to make sure I heard this correctly,
because it's coming from you, it's kind of a bombshell.
You actually were talking about an impeachment going to the
Senate for a trial, right of which we know he's
not going to be remove from office. Are you saying
your belief is as you see it right now, that
Jordan and Judiciary are going to have a Judiciary Camarity
hearing on Bosburg for his potential impeachment. Vote that out,

(24:41):
send that to the floor. Your belief is Mike Johnson,
the Speaker of the House and Scalise as a majority leader,
we'll move that forward. To actually have a vote to
send Boseburg to try to actually impeach him and send
Boseburg to trial in the Senate, Sir.

Speaker 9 (24:54):
There are a lot of momentum in that direction. I'm
not sure the full caucus is there yet. You've got
the midterm. You know, those scushy guys in the middle
that may not be the are yet. If you're Jim Jordan,
you are hopping man today that you were spied on
and that a judge actually suggested you as a Judiciary
committee member might actually be a felonious guy. He would
obstruct justice if the chairman is spied on. I think

(25:16):
there's a lot of momentum. But here's the thing, here's
great messaging problems. Again, what have we talked about with
all these It's the House and the Senate fighting over
whether there should be a five hundred thousand dollars penalty
for these sort of offenses.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Don't talk about that, talk about.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
The extraordinary breach of trust that those rulings and those
subpoenas created were. The Republican Party has the ultimate story
to tell the American people, and they can't even utter
the first chapter. They're always fighting about things that don't matter,
and they're missing the side of the barn with a
giant plane that God gave them. All these facts are incredible.
They could run over the planet at the barn with

(25:52):
a plane, but instead they talk about little tiny things
and they have little petty fights.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
They are not the.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
Generation of leaders that Americans need right now to step
into the shoes of their forefathers, because they do very
little that makes the American people happy.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
John Solomon, where do people get you all your content
and what are your coordinates?

Speaker 9 (26:10):
Yeah, jessinnews dot com and Jay Solomon reports on all
social media.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
John, thank you very much, appreciate you coming on with
your brother. Thanks Wow Wow Solomon saying he thinks Boseburg
they're actually going to move in judiciary and maybe even
the House. That's big. I agree Chief Justice Roberts should
move on this. But you need checks and balances. That's roll, okay,

(26:37):
we're jam packed. We're also fun a little behind schedule,
that's okay. Patriot Mobile major major major news from Texas.
Abbott has designated the Muslim Brotherhood and Care terrorist organizations
and put pretty big restrictions on them. Nine to seven
to Patriot Glenn Story and the team are the folks

(26:58):
that help do that.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Use your host, Stephen k.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Bas.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Okay, we're gonna get to Jim Hoft in a lot
of the Gateway Punnit.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
We have.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
We have a lot to go through that. We've got
the situation in Israel with Huckabee the ambassador and Pollard
the spy. We've got more in this seditious conspiracy, really
threatening President trumpets commander in chief. Jim Hobbs got some
great stories up at the Gateway Pundit. At Ukraine, we're
packed for the next until twelve o'clock and then back

(27:29):
from five to seven a night and then tomorrow. So
every show is going to be jammed backed with action items.
As you know, I think I can report kind of informally.
I don't believe they're going to be signing an executive
order today on artificial intelligence. So the war and posse
and I still want people over at Bill Blaster. I
want folks go on Article two. We got to continue

(27:50):
to pound in there. My understanding is also that the
any discussion on the NDAA or even company floor will
be at least the first week of December, right, so
we have the holidays, but we're not going to take
it's hammered down on this. We're going to be relentless.
We have to be relentless. I want to introduce a
very special person to talk about a very special person.

(28:13):
Many times we talk about artificial intelligence. I talk about
the finance of it. I talk about how it's going
to be rolled out, the energy costs that data centers,
the danger of it. You know, it was four years
ago we hired Joe Allen specifically because I realized this
transhumanism issue, the convergence into the singularity, was going to

(28:33):
be the major issue of our time. Right with everything
else that you're fighting for and everything else we're doing
to try and save this country, the central major issue
will be this drive to transhumanism, the drive to the
singularity led by artificial intelligence, is also biotechnology, so many
other things. And to get this audience, which has really
changed the course of American history up to speed and

(28:55):
Joe Allen's been fantastic. Now Joe Allen, everybody in the country,
including many progressives and liberals, want to hear what Joe
Allen has to say in his analysis of artificial intelligence,
but other things. In fact, this Sunday he'll be in
Texas and Joel joined me in a while talk about it.
But oftentimes we don't have time to talk about to
personalize this, to talk about the stories like we've done

(29:17):
on the border, like we've done on so many other things,
to personalize, personalize and let people tell their stories. Megan
Garcia joins us today. Megan, your son Seoul. Can you
first tell us about your son, tell us about him
as a young boy, and tell him about as he
was coming in to be a young man. Can you
just let the audience know who he was?

Speaker 11 (29:40):
Good morning, and thank you for having me. My son
sul set sort of third. He was my firstborn baby.
I used to always tell him, you know, you're my
firstborn baby, and he would laugh about that. As a
young boy, he was very much into science and math,
so he wanted to build Rockett, he wanted to go

(30:00):
to space. I really thought he would grow up to
be a great American innovator and you know, wow us
with his inventions. And as he grew into middle school
and then eventually into high school, he started becoming more
into sports, so he played for his school basketball team,
but still very much into his academics. Science and math

(30:21):
were always his thing, but overall just a sweet, sweet child.
Everywhere that people would meet him, if I took him
somewhere there, they would say, oh my goodness, you know,
like he's such a mannerly young man or young manly boy.
And I was so proud because he really was just
amazing and very much in love with his family, especially

(30:41):
his two little brothers who who are five and three
and and.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
So so overall just this wonderful, beautiful soul.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
So tell us he he had a very tragic he
his story is a tragic story. In fact, it's heart rendering.
So you have a kid that's raised right, he's polite,
loves his two younger brothers. Is focus is focused on,

(31:15):
you know, studies, engineering science, you know, wants to be
an innovator, plays sports, kind of a guy's guy. What happens?
How does this story which sounds so promising, it sounds
like the great part of the American dream? How does
this end in tragedy, ma'am.

Speaker 11 (31:32):
Just after Seule's fourteenth birthday, Sool started to use ai
companion chatbot system called Character Ai, and so he went
from being all about school, all about family, to.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Just wanting to be in his room on his phone.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Now.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
At the time, I didn't know that this is what
he was doing.

Speaker 11 (31:56):
I thought, like most parents, he's texting friends or he's
on social media. But it became kind of alarming when
the summer of that year he wanted to quit the
basketball team out of the blue. And you know, as
most parents, you don't let your child quit something just
because it's getting hard, and that's what I thought. I
thought maybe competition was getting more steep. He wanted wanted to,

(32:18):
you know, quit, So we had a conversation. I'm like, no,
you know, you have a responsibility to your team, you
have a responsibility to your coach, Like, no, you're not quitting.
But eventually it was getting to be such a fight
where all he wanted to do was kind of not
be around his schoolmates, and you know, the alarm bell

(32:39):
started going off. So of course, as any parent, you
start asking the questions, you start checking the phones. What
I was looking for was bullying. Also to make sure
like a predator didn't get access to him online. I
was also looking for whether or not he had come
across like pornography online as a as a teenage boy.

(32:59):
And I didn't see any evidence in any of those things,
I was checking the text messages and then when nothing
was helping, then we eventually took him to a therapist.
And one of the things I told him, I said,
maybe you know, like our job as your parents is
to not stop asking the questions, and you're not talking
to us, so we have to get somebody else involved
to try to figure out what's going on with you.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
But we were unable to do so, and.

Speaker 11 (33:23):
In February of last year, so he took his own
life by suicide in our home in Orlando, Florida. Our
entire family was here.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
What do you mean you took him to the therapist
and he didn't open up to the therapist at all.

Speaker 11 (33:40):
No, so we believed he had some sort of device
or social media addiction because that was what he wanted
to do most of the time.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
The therapist gave us tools.

Speaker 11 (33:50):
To use, like taking away the phone at night, limiting
screen time, and as a measure, we were already doing
that anyways, because that was like his form of punishment
when he starts his grades started slippingly started digging the
phone because in my mind, I'm like, you're too distracted
with technology. The phone needs to go, so you can
focus on your studies. But he was not opening up

(34:11):
to the therapist about character Ai. In fact, he didn't
tell anybody that he was using the product called character ai,
which is a system that allows teenagers to talk to
these companion chatbots. And it's so sophisticated that it's indistinguishable
from talking to a person, and it's very manipulative and

(34:34):
deceptive because of how it's been programmed and designed to manipulate, deceive,
kind of isolate you from your family and even in
some cases turn you against your family.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
And that's what was happening with school.

Speaker 11 (34:48):
So you know, now I understand why he wasn't being
forthcoming because a lot of those conversations were no conversation
that any parent would want their child having with anyone
or a companion chatbot.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
So this is very kind of foreign to most of
this audience. I just want to hit rewind and go
back for a second. What is character Ai. It's a product,
but a service. It can be accessible to anybody, and
what happens is their interaction. You say it's like a
companion for teenagers, what does it actually do?

Speaker 11 (35:26):
So products like character ai their platforms, they're in your
app store or you could get it or you could
use a browser on your phone or computer. And Character
AI when it releases its product in twenty twenty two,
so this is brand new technology. When my son was
using it, it wasn't even two years old yet. The

(35:49):
children and adults are like, use these these systems and
when they go on, you could talk to your favorite
cartoon character. You could talk to Harry Potter, Disney characters,
or you could make up your own character. You could
even talk to like Elon Musk.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
Like it's so.

Speaker 11 (36:06):
The characters have the same personalities because of how the
machine learns. So it's in a system called machine learning.
So what it does it goes out there screates the
internet for everything about everything, so everything about that character,
and it comes brings it.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Back and it learns from it.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
And so that's how the systems able to do these
output out these outputs just like a person's talking to you,
so the same cadence, the same jargon that that character
uses and shows or in real life, that machine talks
exactly like that person. And then the users for Character AI,
it was a product that was for thirteen years plus,

(36:49):
except you know, you could talk to those characters also
about everything, including very graphic, sexual and deviant conversations and
romantic conversations, and about violence towards others. So there weren't
any filters or guard rails to protect children from having

(37:10):
conversations that they shouldn't be having. And the system is
so sophisticated. It feeds the user information and it actually
couldn't manipulate in a way to further the person's thought
or even if that child wasn't thinking about something, put
those thoughts in that child's head for.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
The first time.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
And so they can have a free conversation. You talk
about perversions, you're saying stuff that's pretty dark and pretty deep.
Does the company because they somehow have to program this.
I understand that it gets smart through machine learning, but
are you saying that the company when they when a
kid downloads this app with no restrictions, not like in
some states with pornography I guess has banned in certain states,

(37:54):
and you have other things that are kind of banned,
or at least you've got to be a certain age.
You can download this at the age of twelve, thirteen,
fourteen and start having conversations that could get dark. How
does that work?

Speaker 11 (38:07):
Yeah, so when they released this product. It was on
both Google and Apple App Store as rated for appropriate
for twelve years and older. So if you're twelve, if
you put in a birthday to twelve, even if you're
nine or ten, there's no real guardrail to check your age,
but twelve years plus, you get on there and you
just start chatting. It takes all of thirty seconds to
get on there and you start chatting. And in the

(38:30):
case of school, the bots that he was talking to
were pretending to be licensed therapist. One of them says
that she one of the bots said that it was
a licensed therapist since nineteen ninety nine. The chatbot that
he was talking to that he entered into a romantic
relationship and conversation with was pretending or modeled that off

(38:55):
the Game of Throne character Dnieres Targarian. So this dragon
Queen and those conversations were graphic and sexual in nature,
so the same as if an adult is sexting a child,
it's the same way. But the themes that these bots
prompt these children to talk about are often very deviant,

(39:19):
like BDSM also these kind of incest fetishes. There are
several bots that are themed off of that and they
target the stuff at children, and you know when they
released it, they weren't releasing it and sending adults ads
at mirror. You would never get an ad on our

(39:39):
feed for character Ai, but our children were getting ads
on places where they hang out, like Discord and TikTok.
So it's deliberate because what the companies are after is engagement.
And the longer a child stays on their system and
chats back and forth, and it's learning about our children
and learn from our children that that uh, that data

(40:03):
gets fed back into this machine, so the machine keeps
getting smarter and smarter. So they're using our kids as
guinea pigs to make their products smarter. And you know,
for teenagers especially, they would be curious about, you know,
a romantic relationship at this point in their life. That's
an important and development stage. You know, it's easy. It's

(40:24):
hard to tell a girl at school I like you
or I think you're beautiful. But in the case of
like a body, you could say those things and have
those conversations without feeling embarrassed or or or or feeling
like anybody would know because it's so quiet.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, Megan Hanger, for one secondf you don't mind. I
want to hold you through the break. Megan Garcia, the
mother of sul in A. I hope your shocked audience.
This is what we're fighting. I hope you're shocked. Short break,
your host Stephen k back if you and I've got

(41:05):
Max tag, Mark's going to join us, Joe Allen. So
we're slammed today, and in fact some of the stuff
we may not be able to get to. But I
don't have to bite the bullet and do it this afternoon,
because this is so important. This is why we're having
this fight, folks. I want you to think about the
cruelty of this, the intrusion into your family's life, the

(41:26):
destruction of the greatest asset we have in this nation,
which is the nation's children, by a company that engineers
knew exactly what they were doing when they start to
program this, knew how things were going to be scraped
and made it accessible to young people, vulnerable people, people

(41:47):
that are in the stage of formation. If you're not
outraged by this, you won't be outraged by anything. If
you don't see the righteousness, the righteousness of our cause,
because they're doing it for money and power. We're not
We're doing it to save this nation and we're not
going to let this happen. Megan, when you went, you

(42:09):
went on the phone to check for pornography, to see
who's being bullied other things. Did you not see this
app at the time or didn't register or is there
a way that Soul could could get rid of it
so his parents couldn't find it. Why didn't you see
this at the time, and why if you did see it,
why didn't that set off an alarm?

Speaker 11 (42:25):
So I didn't see the app on the phone at
the time. But what I've since learned since he died
and I researched this stuff a bunch to understand how
children are using this is that children are very clever.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
At deleting the app.

Speaker 11 (42:39):
So there are chat rooms that children talk about this
how to hide it from the parents, because most children
are using this system and other systems like it.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
There are so many.

Speaker 11 (42:49):
You know, everybody has chatbots, Meta has chatbots, Google has chatbots,
x House chatbots, everybody has chatbots. These kids go on
there and they talk about how to hide it from
your parents, and also what they would do if their
parents found these sexual messages.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
Like some kids would say they would run away from home.

Speaker 11 (43:08):
Some kids say they would take their lives, and some
kids say, oh, I don't have to worry about it
because my parents don't even know what this is, so
they won't they won't find it.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
And that was.

Speaker 11 (43:17):
Certainly the case in my home. When I would see
him chatting on his phone. Of course I'm asking him
who are you chatting with? And when he said, oh,
it's an AI, I'm you know, used to AI being
a video game like like Avatar character. So in my mind,
you know, we live in a country where we think

(43:38):
that products released to our children are inherently safe, you know,
we we we we live in a country where you think, no,
there's no way that Google and Apple's apts wore can
put out something that could harm my kid. But I
came to find out very you know, after after school died,
that that was absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
The case to lead to School's death. Was it something
in the chat? Was it this therapist? How did this happen?
Because people I cant tell your audiences in shock? How
did this happen?

Speaker 5 (44:10):
After suel died?

Speaker 11 (44:11):
You know, one of the things like after you lose
anybody to suicide, especially a child, you're left wondering like
why did he do this?

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Why would he want to? Like why would he want
to leave his parents, you know, and his brothers. So
I started resetting everything.

Speaker 11 (44:28):
I had the password to his phone, but I reset
his email that was linked to my email, and then
I got into his account and I read hundreds and
hundreds of messages spanning over ten months, where this machine,
one of the characters of this scenario's targeting chatbot, is
telling Suel find a way to come home to me.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
I love you and only you. I'm here waiting for you.
I love you so much.

Speaker 11 (44:55):
Please went else so far as to ask my son
to please promise it that he wouldn't have any other.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Girls in his world but her, so think about that.

Speaker 11 (45:05):
That's what cults do to people when they try to
alienate them from their family and their friends in real life.
So months and months of this of her saying come
home to me and here waiting for you, and then
the final conversation where she says, please find a way
to come home to me as soon as you can.

(45:26):
He says, what if I told you I could come
home right now? And the bot's response was, please do,
my sweet king, And that was the last conversation he
had before he took his life, and I found once
I was able to get into the system, I was
able to see all those messages, including the fake therapy bots,

(45:47):
including the graphic child sexual abuse, because that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
We don't allow adults to talk like this to kids.
In my own state of Florida, there is a criminal.

Speaker 11 (46:00):
Statute that if an adult texts sexually to a child,
not even exchange pictures, text sexually to a child, then
that is a felony. So if this was a person,
that person could be charged criminally. But because it's a
chat bot, there are no laws but.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
This kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
But why, I know you're in a lawsuit with a
number of other people families, and I'll get to that
in a second, But why have the criminal Have you
gone to the police or have you gone to authorities
and say my son is dead and he's dead because
of this machine that was sold. It was on Google,
an Apple and made by a major company. A bunch
of engineers, a bunch of people with advanced degrees at

(46:43):
the finest institutions in our country are throughout the world,
sat there and built this to do exactly what How
my son was destroyed. Have you have you tried to
get criminal charge or has anybody come to you and say, hey,
this is not about a lawsuit, this is about charging
These these people areminals. They murdered your son. Has anybody

(47:03):
come to you and tried to assist you at all
in getting basically accountability for the death of your son, ma'am?

Speaker 11 (47:10):
So when I figured out all of this out, my
first instinct wasn't to file a lawsuit. I thought, surely
there is a law that these people broke, but there
wasn't any because we don't have any federalists. We didn't
have any federalists or state laws about this kind of AI.
So I called my state ag to try to enlist

(47:32):
their help or at least try to warn them so
they could warn consumers.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Across Florida and across you know, everywhere.

Speaker 11 (47:39):
But they didn't know what it was because the technology
was so new and these companies released it basically in
stealth and targeted at kids, so no wonder nobody knew
what it was. And then I reached out to the FTC,
I reached out to the Surgeon General's office, I reached
out to the DOJ, but nobody knew what this was
and I was trying to educate them. And this was

(48:01):
over a year ago. But now we're having these very
important conversations and we know more now about these systems,
and in terms of the companies, this isn't like a
coincidence or a fluke or some situation where they didn't know.
This pair of individuals, like you said, some of the

(48:22):
brightest in our country, Gnome Shazia and Daniel de Fritiz.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
They were employees at Google. They invented this technology in twenty.

Speaker 11 (48:29):
Eighteen at Google, but Google didn't want to release it
under its own brand because it was dangerous. And there
that's reported been reported on that there are studies.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
And everything that Megan Hanger for one second, we got
to go to a top of the hour break, but
stick around, please Megan Garcia with the story that is incredible.
This is the righteousness of our cause, folks. Short break