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November 25, 2025 49 mins

 THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, NOVEMBER 25TH, 2025

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LTC (RET) IVAN RAIKLIN
DR. BRADLEY THAYER
JULIE KELLY
JOE ALLEN
RAYMOND IBRAHIM
MIKE LINDELL

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And retribution campaign has a new target. Six of them, actually,
the lawmakers who served our country honorably and bravely and
dared to tell members of the United States military something
that would in normal times be totally normal and totally obvious,
that it is their duty to refuse to carry out
any illegal orders. This afternoon, one of those lawmakers, Senator

(00:23):
Elissa Slockin of Michigan, who before becoming a member of
that body served as a CIA analyst, And as a
CIA analyst, she went to Iraq. She just has served
in the Pentagon during both the Bush and Obamba presidencies.
She today announced that she believes she is under investigation
by the FBI's counter Terrorism Division because she appeared in

(00:45):
that video that has clearly sent Donald Trump into some
sort of rage, Donald Trump saying that what she did
was quote punishable by death. In fact, a source familiar
tells US that the FBI is now working to schedule
interviews with Slockin and the five other Democrats who appear
in that video urging US service member simply to not
comply with any illegal order. The source telling MS Now

(01:07):
that the FBI has contacted Capitol Police to try to
schedule these interviews. Ahead of that news, FBI Director Cash
Battel was asked about the video. Here's what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Democratic lawmakers released a video calling on military personnel to
defy illegal orders. President Trump waged in and called it
a seditious behavior. Or when you saw this one, when
through your head, what goes.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Through my head is the same thing that goes through
my head in any case. Is there a lawful predicate
to open up an inquiry an investigation or is there not?
And that decision will be made by the career agents
and analysts here at the FBI.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Is the FBI getting involved based.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
On the fact that it is an ongoing matter, There's
not much I can say.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Pete hagsas Pentagon also getting in on the action by
launching an investigation into Arizona Senator Mark Kelly for his
participation in the video. Hag Seth threatened the decorated veteran
and war hero last night with being called back into
active duty status so that he could possibly be court martialed.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
So what do you make of the situation right now?

Speaker 5 (02:15):
In Kelly's response, well, good for the senator to say
what he said, but let me take a step back
and indicate that what he and his colleagues did was inappropriate.
They didn't have to remind service members that they have
an obligation to support the Constitution and realizing, of course
that officers in enlisted personnel take two different oaths and

(02:37):
the enlisted personnel. This is a message that those Congress
members and members of the intelligence former intelligence community sent
to the service members, and it was to those enlisted folks,
which is, you can disobey your bosses.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
You can do that. Well, the point of the fact
of matter.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Is when Senator Kelly and his colleagues made the comment,
the message to me was this collection of folks, we
don't trust the military, the uniformed leadership, and we think
that they've been taken over by the administration. I would
completely disagree with that underlying assessment which brought them to

(03:16):
make these statements. That's my view of all this. God
blessed Senator to Kelly and what he's accomplished in his
life and where he has been. Totally agree with everything
he just said. However, he could have taken a step
back and said, why am I making Why am I
sending this message which clearly is an insult to our
chain of command, those in uniform, folks that I have

(03:37):
had the privilege of serving with and training and growing
into the positions that they're in today. And I think
he could have made a better decision.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
And we've been saying this for a long time. A
lot of us have been saying this for a long time.
Donald Trump believes that the US military should be his
personal muscle. It should be his personal militia that answers
only to him, not to Congress, not to the Constitution
of the American people.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
Nobody.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Donald Trump thinks that Article two means he owns the
military like he owns buildings or owns anything else. And
you know, this is an attempt by him and others
to say to members of Congress and to all American
citizens that you have no right to express your views
about the military, or the Constitution or your own freedoms.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
This is the crimal scream of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these
people here. Not got a free shot.

Speaker 8 (04:39):
All these networks lying about the people, The people have had.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
A belly full of it. I know you don't like
hearing that. I know you tried to do everything in
the world to stop that. But you're not going to
stop it. It's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line?

Speaker 7 (04:53):
Mega media?

Speaker 6 (04:55):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

Speaker 8 (05:04):
If that answer is to save my country, this country.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
Will be saved. Here's your host, Stephen k Back.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Tuesday, twenty six November. You're for Lord twenty twenty five.
We are packed in this hour and it's going to
be a cross between action, proposed action, and strongly worded letters,
at least for part of it. So just bear with
us and see how the how we're trending on all
these actions against the deep state. Let me start with
doctor Bradley thay Or first. So it's come out Cash

(05:43):
Mattel and the FBI are calling people in as they
should immediately for interviews. I hope that's under oath and
leads to quite rapidly charges being brought. And also Mark
Kelly and you heard General I think hurling right there
is confused by said it's a total insult to the
military to do with these guys and totally inappropriate, doctor Thayer,

(06:07):
Why is it important that we must take dramatic, in
immediate action on this or in a dither.

Speaker 9 (06:14):
Because the great strength of our civil military relations what's
called objective civilian control, which is where civilians order the
military what to do. They obeys the military has its
own domain. The military deals with military decisions of its

(06:34):
own accord, but obeys civilian leadership. And that's been the
great strength of the US military, as well as all
professional militaries, and has led to tremendous military success our professionalization.
And that's unlike, for example, the Chinese Communist Party, which

(06:55):
controls the People's Liberation Army, or in the Cold.

Speaker 10 (06:59):
War where the.

Speaker 9 (07:01):
Communist Party of the Soviet Union controlled the Red Army,
the Soviet Army. They were politicized forces. So what these
six have done is done their utmost. Not just to
so discord right, that would be bad enough, but they're
undermining objective civilian control.

Speaker 10 (07:20):
They're undermining the heart of the most successful civil military
relationship that's existed in history, and for that they have
to be held to account. They cannot do that.

Speaker 9 (07:33):
That's something which undermines our military effectiveness, that undermines the
loyalty and calls into question the loyalty.

Speaker 10 (07:41):
Of course of all service members.

Speaker 9 (07:44):
It's outrageous on its face, but it gets to something
which is very deep, which is undermining the heart of
civil military relations.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Even more so seeming. But hangover a second, I want
to get to that number one that came from the
army was founded in seventeen seventy five, and General Washington
always answered to and made a point of knowing even
though they were stiffing him there was no money. It
was a complete fiasco. Especially in the early part of

(08:17):
the war. He always made sure that everybody knew he
reported to the Continental of Congress he were in, particularly
the committee that oversaw the military. He went, I was away.
The only other time I think we've had a crisis
like this is in the Civil War when McClellan. There
was an active beginning of a coup against a President

(08:37):
Lincoln by McClelland and his staff, and President Lincoln cleaned
that out, but there was this hint of a coup,
of a military coup where they were not going to
report to survey an authority. This is a deep crisis.
This is why this has to be dealt with immediately,
and I think recalling Kelly the active duty and court
martialing him. As Captain Fanel said today, he was the

(08:58):
senior officer in this and you ought to be dealt with.
Continue on, doctor Thayer.

Speaker 9 (09:04):
Well, all of them should be dealt with. Certainly Senator
Kelly should be. But this can't stand. This is something
which undermines what is essential for our national security. It
undermines the service men and women in our country. So

(09:26):
it can't stand because what it's doing is getting at
the heart of how our civilian leadership controls the military,
and in turn, how the military serves that civilian leadership.
And so what they have done is done their utmost
to undermine that. And it's the pattern that we see

(09:46):
with the Democrats at this time. Right, it gets back
to their lendingness tactics, right to advance what they call
revolutionary defeat is and right they want things to be
as bad as possible, right, the worst, the best for
the Democrats to undermine Trump, to checkmate him, to fetter

(10:07):
him at every step as a way of course of
undermining the US. So what they're doing is again the
most successful civil military relationship that's existed in history. Has
been the US civil military relationship. It's gone through ups
and down, Steve. As you mentioned, we could more recently

(10:27):
recall Vietnam and the stresses that Vietnam placed on the
US military and the aftermath of Vietnam in the nineteen seventies,
for example, where we talked about a hollow force. The
army rebuilt itself, has did all of the armed services
because they were supremely professional.

Speaker 10 (10:48):
So what these six are doing is undermining that.

Speaker 9 (10:52):
And that is something which is unpatriotic, That is something
which is supremely dangerous, and it is a way of
putting the US military on the course to becoming a
politicized force. Like yeah, well it is a crime.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
It's yes, I the FBI, it's a crime.

Speaker 10 (11:12):
I mean, I will get to the heart of that,
as well as others.

Speaker 9 (11:17):
Why Senate ethics has not stepped up here or House
ethics is obviously.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, I know, but but but but but how do
ethics you got Republicans, you got you got there the Senate.
It's it's these are crimes have to be dealt with.
His crimes. We have to put this down, doctor Thayer.
We got to move on. Uh, where do people go
to get your analysis and all this.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
Shirsty, thanks for much brad thort X and Bradley Thair
get Her and at Truth.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Thanks for starting us off. Doctor Bradley Thayer, thank you
so appreciate you. Also might add I think i'll link
Glenn Beck is doing an incredible job on this very
topic over the Blaze, and we'll link to some of
his commentary and analysis. Julie Kelly this afternoon, you've been
following the situation where they're trying to bring criminal contempt

(12:08):
charges around President Trump and his people, and Julie Kelly
called shot. You said emil bov is one of their
targets in lo and behold, emil bov is one of
their targets, ma'am correct.

Speaker 11 (12:23):
So, as I explained this morning, we were waiting today
for mandatory filings per Judge Jeb Bosberg related to his
criminal contempt proceedings against the DOJ and the Trump administration.
So what he asked for today was both sides. The ACLU,
who is representing those legal Venezuelans tied to Trende Ragua

(12:47):
who were covered under the President's Alien Enemies Act proclamation,
and then from the Department of Justice, who they would want.
Number one is witnesses in any contempt hearing, and then
dates for a hearing the witnesses to testify. So, as
of right now five fifteen Eastern time, the Trump administration
has not filed its response to Jeb Bosberg, which I'm

(13:11):
sure is making him really steamed, but I think is
kind of funny. But the ACL you did, and they
list numerous DOJ even DHS officials who they want to
testify sworn testimony about behind the scenes deliberations before, on
and after Jeb Bosberg made that ridiculous oral order. He

(13:34):
calls it to return planes two planes carrying these illegal
Venezuelans that were already out of US airspace on the
evening of March fifteenth of this year, ordered those planes returned.
So this is the basis of his contempt finding. And
some of this a lot of it actually Jeb Bosberg
brought this up himself last week in the hearing. Relates

(13:57):
to this alleged whistleblower, Ears Rabini, who was a DOJ
immigration official who made these claims about comments that Amo
Bovie had made as the I think at that point
acting Deputy Attorney General, and what they wanted to say
to the courts if judges tried to thwart and stop

(14:20):
the implementation of the Alien Enemies Act proclamation. So this
whistleblower account, you and I've talked about it. I have
coverage of it on my substack declassified with Julie Kelly.
I reposted my piece about this whistleblower from earlier this year.
Blosberg himself last year last week brought up the whistleblower
and saying he wanted to hear from the whistleblower and

(14:41):
everyone the whistleblower had spoken to about this and other
immigration lawsuits at the handling at the time.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
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(17:01):
for Bossburg by not like stop snapping to and say sir, yes,
sir and making sure I guess it should have been
five o'clock to day, the time of Russia. I would
then close a business maybe it's midnight. But they're not.
They're not rushing. They're not being bum rushed into this,
are they, ma'am?

Speaker 7 (17:19):
No, they're not.

Speaker 11 (17:20):
And that's exactly what Jeb Bosberg is trying to do.
Recall Steve that his original probable cause finding was last April,
where he accused the Trump administration of contempt of court
for defying that oral order that was vacated by the
appellate court. However, it was kicked back to Bossburg just
last week and he did not waste a minute restarting

(17:45):
this these proceedings. So perhaps the Trump administration, the DOJ
is going to just file a one pager later tonight
and say we have no potential witnesses, we don't think
that this contempt hearing is legal, and we're not offering
up any dates for hearing and let Jeb Bosberg work
from there. Keep in mind, Steve, also we just found
out today that Jeb Bosberg signed off on nineteen nineteen

(18:09):
gag orders non disclosure orders prohibiting cell phone carriers from
notifying sitting US senators and members of Congress that Jack
Smith had subpoenaed their cell phone records. So as his
corruption and his malfeasance continues to get exposed, he is
not backing off. He is actually ramping up and accelerating

(18:31):
his se He's doubling down against the administry.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
He's doubling down. Go to Article three project right now
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weapons to do this. Bosburg has to be impeached. Last
question the ACLU. They understand they want to go after

(18:56):
m Olbovie because he's a sitting We took him at
the Justice Department, which God knows we needed him, but
he was so important to put him in a pellachord
because he's on the short list of the Supreme Court.
Don't they want to sit there? And that what they
want to do is put a blowtorch to Emil Bovy
to use this false preceding, this phony proceeding to make
sure they dinging for his Supreme Court confirmation hearing. Do

(19:19):
they not, ma'am?

Speaker 11 (19:20):
They absolutely do, And this was what this whistleblower airs Ravini,
and I actually would like to see mister Ravini testify
under oath about these alleged conversations that he was involved
in or overheard. But the point is to drag amo
Beauve again through the mud. This almost successfully disrailed, derailed
amo Beouva's confirmation process. I think he got exactly fifty

(19:45):
votes or fifty one, so this almost torpedoed his judicial
nomination to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals. And to
your point, yes, he is towards the top of the
list to be Supreme Court justice. He's the last person
in the Left and Democrats would want on the Supreme
Court because of course he's very sharp, very smart, shrewd,

(20:06):
and he understands what this battle is all about. So yes,
this is going to be another attempt to drag his
name through the mud as he's sitting on the Third
Circuit Court of Appeals.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Julie, where do people go for your substack? Where they
go for your social media accounts? You are on fire, ma'am,
and a couple of great call shots on this one.

Speaker 11 (20:29):
Thanks Steve, Thanks for having me on Declassified with Julie
Kelly on substack X on Julie underscore Kelly too. I
will keep refreshing the docket for this Bossborg contempor seeding
and as if the DOJ the government does respond later,
I will be posting it as soon as I get it.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Thank you, ma'am, appreciate you. Thanks Okay, I said earlier today,
I said, so go to Julie Kelly or substack watching.
I said today, You've got You've got these, You've got
Michael benj You've got Alex Jones, you, Natalie Wins and
a couple of dozen more that do an amazing job
of breaking down the deep state of all the tempers.
But you've got to get in and do the wet work.

(21:09):
If you want to take it down, you can, you
can defund it, you can do that. But at some
point in time, like what's happening on the FBI, you
got to get in there with Julie Kelly's doing in
this huge fight on Bosberg and we have to impeach
this guy. We have to put him through the process.
Ivan Reichland joins us. Now he and General Flynn are
working on something about Tina Peters. We got to raise

(21:31):
up the Tina Peters get and it's going to take
maniacal focus. Ivan, What have you and General Flynn come
up with?

Speaker 8 (21:36):
Sir, Yes, I mean you nailed it on the head yesterday.
I think at this point it requires political courage to
extract her, because we all know that they're going to
maneuver in every which way possible day being Polists and
Jennet Griswold and the radical Left to keep her as
a political prisoner, a prisoner war effectively. And so when
you look at the perspective of what the Democrats have
done over the last eleven years of treason effectively sedition conspirators.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
They don't ask a court.

Speaker 8 (22:02):
To and they don't pontificate and ask themselves. Hmm. I
wonder if the Supreme Court or a district court is
going to allow us to conduct treason. No, they actually
just conduct it, and then we have to claw our
way back to stop them from conducting it. It would
be very novel for a Republican administration to say, you
know what, this is lawful, this is our legal analysis.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
We're going to go ahead and file.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
For example, the US Attorney for the District of Colorado,
I believe it's Peter McNeely, he can go ahead and
file federal criminal charges against Jenna Griswold for her violation
of the twenty twenty election, the procedure of the twenty
twenty election, and then from there, once that is filed,
literally within the same second, the President could order the

(22:46):
Attorney General, Pam Bondi, to then order the director of
the Federal Marshall's Program, Guya Deze Seralta, the director, and
then he could muster all four thousand or so of
his federal marshals to conduct a physical raced on the.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
But hang but hang the rate, but hang on, whoa, whoa,
hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
Before we get to the raid, let's go back to
charging her. You and General Flynn propose the information that
we have now, do you believe that there is existing
information out there? Uh? And evidence that could lead the

(23:24):
US attorney to do that?

Speaker 8 (23:25):
Sir, So, Mike Lindell and his attorney at the time,
mister kurt Olsen, have put a put together quite a
bit of evidence related to the twenty twenty electoral heist.
That excuse me, that Tina Peters could be a federal
witness for that's what I feel to.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Okay, hang skipped, hang loft over that. Hang but but no,
but yeah, but hang on, hang on. You nailed it
right there.

Speaker 15 (23:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
If memory serves me correctly, Ivan kurt Olsen is now
the special Envoy, the special assistant in the White House complex.
I think OVERDB reporting, I think to Susie, I think
it's a direct report up to the Chief of Staff.
This is what a party is for the president to
get to the bottom of this. So have you to

(24:12):
the bottom of the twenty electoral hest exactly? And to
do it? By the way, as you know, he's principally
a machine guy. We're not we're we're we're mail in
ballot guys. But hey, God bless you. So my point
is you have the very guy that you and Flynn
name and kind of your punch list to how you
have to do it. Voila is not hosting a show

(24:32):
on Lindell TV. He actually happens to be in the
in the in the what's called the White House infrastructure,
and his specific designation is the Special Assistant for UH
the Election Integrity about the twenty twenty election. So if
you and General Flynn reached out to him, because if
he has the evidence from his years at Lindell, you're saying,

(24:54):
this is the path of critical palaf you have to do.
He's the guy. It's kind of a plug and play,
is it not.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
There's no one better position to expose the evidence of
the twenty twenty electoral heist in the entire country, as
well as the twenty twenty two electoral heightst in Arizona
as it relates to Kerry Lake, then Kurt Olsen. He's
represented as far as I understand, the President, Mike Lindell
in those lawsuits as well as Carrie Lake. So This
is an absolutely fantastic pick of the number one draft

(25:23):
pick for the president to pick to be able to
expose this. Additionally, he has years of experience exposing the
Colorado component in Mesa County. Just to contextualize, She's Tina
Peters was the only county official of the thirty one
hundred plus counties and county equivalents throughout the United States
to actually have the courage to expose, research, identify, and

(25:47):
then expose the illegal activities of the machines in her
county's twenty twenty election the federal election.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Component of it.

Speaker 8 (25:57):
And so that's why she would be the most compelling
witness of anybody in the country. Uh to go ahead,
and Ivan moved the criminality of Jenet grisbold.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
It'd be amazing. I want Grace put up his General
Flint's tweet. I'll have you back right after the holidays.
Ivan to go through this some more. But I think
you've laid out a pattern. You just got to get
Christal nice together out for Thanksgiving. Though that's not gonna happen.
I think it's very remote. I mean realistically, and I
talk to these people every day. We got to get

(26:28):
her out though, Ivan. Uh, where do people go? What's
your social media? Your Twitter? Where do people go to
follow you?

Speaker 8 (26:33):
I'm on AX as long as your buddy Elon Musk
allows me.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
But other than that, substack as well as rumble, Ivan
with a heckle, Ivan with a heckle, brother, have a
great Thanksgiving. Love you. You know the guy Ivan Ivan
was outside Federal Court every day that I was there.
He is a warrior and a patriot. Short commercial break
back in the warm in a moment, here's.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Your host, Stephen k ban.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Okay Ivan's idea. I'd like it a lot Directionally. I
want everybody to read that of Grayson Mo. If you
can push that out, let's be a force multiplier. This
is General Finn and Ivan Ivan's also a lawyer. We
got to get on top of this. And like I said,
Kurt Olsen, you guys know Kurt. We've had Kurt on
one hundred times during the during the Big Steal. He

(27:27):
knows it's better than anybody. He's at the White House.
He's Special Assistant for Election Integrity and reviewing the twenty
twenty in the twenty twenty two elections, So right there,
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the the EO on the Muslim Brotherhood. Why it has
a few air pockets and it needs to be kind
of reconciled. It's a start, it's a historic start, but
we got to close. We gotta we got to stick

(28:53):
the landing on the Muslim Brotherhood. Also, artificial intelligence. I've
warned you about the weapons LAF They did it. They
did AI and it was closed press. I'm not. I
don't know why, but we're going to get to the
bottom of it. Let's play the cold open.

Speaker 12 (29:08):
The Trump administration is pushing to expand AI and federal
scientific research. Yesterday, President Trump signed an executive order launching
the Genesis Mission. The plan allows Department of Energy and
national labs to use AI while partnering with tech companies
and universities.

Speaker 16 (29:24):
Yeah, he signed an executive order related to what's called
the now Genesis Mission. It brings together all of the
seventeen federal labs under the Department of Energy and partners
them with private companies and supercharges all of these projects
with artificial intelligence.

Speaker 17 (29:40):
This is a one place in the world where you
can bring together biological data and national security data. Data
for material science, for chemistry, all in one place, under
one roof, where you can train models to accelerate scientific discovery.

Speaker 14 (29:53):
So knowledge grows faster than our ability to understand it.
Trillions of data points, universe of information still unconnected. Now
a new instrument emerges when capable not only of observing
the universe, but of understanding it. Genesis Mission will transform

(30:14):
how science is done in America. Uniting our brightest minds,
most powerful computers, and vast scientific data into one living
system for discovery built on artificial intelligence and quantum computing,
you will radically redefine the scale, speed, and purpose of
scientific progress in America.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Look, I understand the sciencefic process. We're all for what
we want to do it. But I don't know why
we're selling chips to the advanced chips of the Chinese.
And you got the arms dealer Jensen Wong, and you
got Lutnik in his crowd that are trying to force
to sell these chips. If we don't, we're not in
arms race. We'relling in the arms race. If we want
to be in arms race, we don't have to sell
them any arms none. How about this? How about zero

(30:59):
for the chain cameras party. Now let's get to the
weapons labs. Joe Allen succinctly tell me, because this kind
of scares me. One living organism that's going to know
all and be all, what are we doing here, sir
well Steve.

Speaker 18 (31:16):
Yesterday President Trump signed the Executive Order to launch the
Genesis Mission. Aside from the symbolic undertones of the name Genesis,
this is under the Department of Energy, and it's being
hailed as a kind of Manhattan Project for AI acceleration
in the sciences. The ultimate objective is to create scientific

(31:41):
foundation models AIS that are specifically trained on what have
previously been kind of cloistered and unpublished data sets and
studies under the Department of Energy, so the seventeen national
Laboratories will open up their data sets to train artificial intelligence.

(32:02):
And the objective too is to have AI agents that
can run autonomously to conduct experiments, and presumably they share
many of the ambitions of the Frontier labs. They would
eventually have AIS that perhaps could formulate novel hypotheses. Now

(32:24):
underneath this is that you have five basic objectives. To
accelerate biotechnology, to accelerate materials development, to accelerate semiconductor production
and deployment, and also to accelerate quantum computing and nuclear technology.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Okay, okay, that last time I looked, those five were
kind of a variation of the of the Chinese communist parties,
you know, twenty twenty manufacturing, twenty twenty five. The ten
industries they want to dominate the top five and those
are close to it to drive you to a thing
called the singularity, do they.

Speaker 18 (33:05):
Not, sir, Yes, absolutely. I mean this is right now,
very much in the nascent phase. For the first ninety days,
they'll simply be assessing what hardware, what computing facilities are relevant,
beyond that the software, But within a year they intend
to have fully autonomous experiments being run under the system. Now,

(33:27):
this is already happening in the private sector, Steve. I'll
give you one really good example, Ginko Bioworks, who was
so integral to the Biden EO on the cancer moonshot.
Ginko Bioworks runs biofoundries, right, So you have these foundries
that basically run autonomously mutating microbes and assessing whether or

(33:49):
not the mutations are effective and whatnot. Some of these
biofoundries are right now under the direction of GPT five.
So you already have this integration of artificial intelligence with
autonomous laboratories that are conducting experiments. What the Genesis mission
would ultimately yield would be that across all of the

(34:11):
different sectors I just mentioned in a lot relating to
of course national security and weapons.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Okay, in those ninety days. What I would propose and
we'll we'll stick our nose in this is we come
up with the equity package. You the citizens of the
United States own those The government of the United States
owns those weapons labs, some of the most famous labs
in the world, the National Labs, I call them. Now,
if we're going to do all this, I like to
know what we're actually paying for, and these guys own
the equay. We have to have an equity package. I'm

(34:40):
a toss out there just as an initial idea for
David Sachs and Mark and recently get their arms around.
Fifty percent. We own fifty percent of every one of
the AI companies. The American citizens on them. And I
don't mean the government, I mean the shares get popped
out to the American citizens because once again, once again
they remember they came up with this labs thing. Immediately

(35:02):
when the Chinese did deep Seek and they go, oh
my god, it's a Spotnik moment. We're in an arms
race with the Chinese counties party. So what do we do?
We sell them as many advanced chips as possible, or
give them to the UAE so they can they can
be a wholesaler and then resell them. No, no, no, no,
no no, no no. We got to understand this entire cycle.

(35:22):
The American people are being asked to secure debt, the
American people being asked to give access to their weapons
labs to train these Hey, that's fine, maybe it's good
it it sounds like a wonderful thing. What's the payment
to the American people? American citizens own how much equity?
So in the ninety days they assess assess what the
ownership of the American people. In the opening bit is

(35:42):
fifty percent. Joe, we got to bounce. You're gonna be
with us a lot. Tell us where people go to
get your get to all your information on Joe Biden.

Speaker 18 (35:53):
Well, I tell you, Steve, I couldn't agree more as
far as the fifty percent equity for American people. This
emphasis on the machine should definitely be shared by or
redirected towards human beings, as in human Americans. I would
actually just direct the audience to Frontier magazine.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
By chance.

Speaker 18 (36:14):
I have an article in Frontier which goes into the
history of the nuclear project, the Manhattan Project near my hometown, Oakridge, Tennessee.
I'm from near there. The title is how my Hometown
Got you Genocized? And you can see it's a print magazine.
It's absolutely beautiful. Ben Braddeck here with a cover story

(36:36):
his trip.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, this is the one that ken Beck and his
team over the Blaze started. Is that it is that Frontier.

Speaker 18 (36:44):
Yes, Peter Gitle is the executive editor, and James Pulos
of course is involved. Ben Braddock with the cover story,
and they invited me to write about how my hometown
got wrecked by the technological revolution. So you can actually
find a link right at the top of my social
media at j Oe b O t X y Z.

(37:04):
And if you still love print culture posse, this is
a beautiful, beautiful edition Volume five, Volume four.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
No, no, we we love magazines. We talk about maggots
creating a being, you know, creating art and creating uh
uh you know these alternative medias go check this out
right now where they go to Frontier just to check
out the entire magazine, because I want people to do that.
It's really a spectacular effort.

Speaker 18 (37:31):
Because it's a kind of a convoluted link. I don't
have it at the top of my head, but if
you go to my social media at Joe b O,
t x y Z on x or on getter, there's
a link right there, you can subscribe. You can read
it in digital form. But again I really recommend get
the print. Addition, so many excellent articles in here, so
many great photographs.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Brother, love you. Look, I'll talk to you tonight, hopefully
get you back on tomorrow, maybe before you take off.
Joe Allen, d Joe Allen, thank you. The Genesis mission, okay,
I get the symbolism. Also about the singularity, I get
that too. Get a drill downe on. This looks very interesting,
very exciting. The American people love it. They want to
own fifty percent of it because they deserve. They're putting

(38:15):
up the money. Raymond Ibraham my favorite. Now, brother, it's
a three book series. You've been with us since twenty nineteen,
since we started the show with your first book, Sword
and Scimitar. Then you came out with the classic I
think in twenty two, Defenders of the West, of which
had a small part in, and the fact that I
helped Raymond decide the final cover art, and then you've

(38:39):
come up with a blockbuster about the warrior marks, Two
Swords of Christ. Talk to us today, particularly, I had
you and Joe back to back because of these two
executive order signed yesterday. You're an expert on the Muslim brotherhood,
and you've been a great writer about the history of
Christianity in Islam, and to be blunt about it, your
history is the third part being The Two Swords of

(39:00):
Christ is about the really the warrior kind of interactions
between Christianity and Islam since the founding of Islam, is
it not, sir.

Speaker 13 (39:10):
Yeah, absolutely, Steve, That's exactly what it's about. I think
the important point of The Two Swords of Christ, the
new book is that it literally looks at the Two
Swords of Christ the verse where the disciples after Christ
tells them sell your cloak and buy a garment, he
who has no sword, and they say, looks, look, Lord,
here are two swords. And he says, that's enough. Now,
according to modern day Christian theologians, that verse means absolutely

(39:33):
nothing because it doesn't mean anything about swords and so forth.
But for the medieval Christians, and especially the Crusaders, it
actually meant that there are two swords to be used
against two sorts of evil, spiritual evil, which modern day
Christians still acknowledge, but also physical secular material corporeal evil,
human evil, human agency. And so that's how they understood it,

(39:55):
and that's why I think it's ironic and people will
be surprised when they look at them read the book
that it actually this logic actually showed you how the
most pious men, these men were monks essentially, Okay, we're
also the most militant at the same time, and there
was no contradiction between the twain in their minds because
they understood that what they were doing was in defense

(40:16):
of Christ, Christendom, Christ's body, literally the Church, and they
were regularly martyred and they were seen as martyrs. So
I think it's going to be a very different take
for how most modern day Christians, including of the doormat
variety as I've dubbed them, who believe that you know,
their job is just to be a doormat and be
walked all over because that's what Christ apparently wants to

(40:37):
see that. No, you actually had these extremely pious religious
Christian men who were also more militant than any other
character from history. And as far as the Muslim Brotherhood
and what we're talking about today, I think it's the
continuity is really remarkable when you.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
See yeah, hang up, We're going to take a short break.
Raymond Ibraham on the other side.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
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Speaker 4 (41:06):
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love these books and they're so timely. They talk about history,
but they make history present right now. We just designate
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Weren't a fight now as you known of chronicled. They

(42:11):
believed in a church militant. Why is a church militant?
And two warrior monk orders from I don't know a
thousand years ago? Why are they relevant today? And you
need to read this book if you want to understand
the situation we're in today, Sir Steve.

Speaker 13 (42:28):
Without the church militants, Christianity would have died out a
long time ago. And you know, I have a quote,
I think in Defenders of the West from Teddy Roosevelt, President,
who says exactly that he says. He basically says, if
the Europeans, the Christians of Europe, had not fought back.
He specifically names the Muslims, and he names all the
long centuries Christianity would have been snuffed out. And that's

(42:49):
what most modern day Christians don't realize, especially those who
sort of you know, pooh pooh the modern day Crusaders
or the crusaders of history, and say they weren't real Christians.
If it wasn't for all the blood that they'd spill
on behalf of Christendom, there would be no Christianity, to
be honest with you, And that's very self evident when
you realize that three quarters of the Christian world was
conquered and swallowed up till this very day by Islam.

(43:10):
And I'm speaking of course of the older, richer, more
profound region where Christendom was located, and that would be
North Africa and the Middle East. You know, all that
was left was Rome in the west, but Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem,
and Antioch were all swallowed up by Islam. And it
continued centur after century. And so that's what gave rise.
You know, these people weren't militants by nature. They really

(43:33):
like they were monks. Think about the hospitallers, for example.
Their whole life was to be hospice workers and serving
pilgrims and helping them and taking care of their medical
needs and feeding them and giving them their beds. But
at the same time they also learned that the only
way to really help the pilgrims was to go on
the offense and to preempt what was going to happen,
which is an Islamic attack on these pilgrims who were

(43:55):
coming to Europe. So they had no problem wedding. You know,
Christian theology with Miancy and not just them. Actually this
goes all the way back, remember to Augustine and so
many other I quote a lot extensively, Saint Bernard of Clervaux,
who's really the spiritual father of all military orders, and
you know, he gives you all the verses and he

(44:15):
shows you the militancy behind that. And it's not just
the Old Testament, by the way, as we saw with
the two sorts of Christ and Luke. So I think
if modern day Christians, like I said, I call them dormats.
And of course Christianity is teaches love and peace and
forgiveness and tolerance, but it's being pulled out of context
as if that's all there is to it. What's great
about Christianity. Christianity is that is that it tempered violence,

(44:38):
but it's still kept you know, the necessary forms of
violence and justice, such as just war theory, which all
of course fused into what we know as chivalry, and
that's what made it really great. But now we have
this kind of mood where oh, you can't do anything,
you have to be a dormat and so forth.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Okay, I'm announcing we're going to do a complete hour
with Raymond to go through his whole three part arc
of his story of these three books, and give special
attention to the military orders the Two Swords of Christy.
Where they go to order it right now, Raymond, where
they go to your site for your writings and to
order your books, Thanks Steve.

Speaker 19 (45:12):
Well.

Speaker 13 (45:12):
You can get it on Amazon. Today's the release date actually,
so they can if they order it now, probably on
Amazon they'll get it maybe a day or two, and
from any other online stores.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
My imagine.

Speaker 13 (45:21):
I doubt Barnes and Nobles is going to have it,
even though it's a bestseller. But and also my website,
Raymond debrahem dot com has links to various books and
you can also get signed copies from there.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
We're gonna do an hour special with Raymond next week.
Raymond Abraham, thank you, thank you so much. Brother, appreciate
and love the book already. It's just fantastic. I want
everybody to get it. Particularly you got a young man
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