March 19, 2025 • 48 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to turning Point tonight, where we are charting the
course of America's cultural comeback. My name is job Bob.
Thanks so much for tuning, And we're doing things a
little bit differently because later on we're gonna bring you
Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk in Atlanta last night conversation
that I think you're gonna love and need to hear.
So by doing things a little bit differently, we're just
gonna run through these stories as quickly as possible, but
(00:27):
also still have some fun with them. Here to do
that with us is Chris Hand, host of the host
of The Chris Hand Show on radio in the Nashville area. Chris,
thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Man, Hey, thanks for having me. This is my favorite
show on TV.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I really appreciate that. Actually, you know, we just learned this.
This show is the number one show on Real America's
Voice in this time slot. So it's a fantastic it's
a fantastic compliment. We love to say it. So to
get right into what's going on in the day, let's
play this first clip and we'll well up with tears
together and react.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And splashdown Crew nine back on Earth. Awesome splash down
good main release copy splash down.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
We see main shoots cut Nick Alex Butch Sonny On
behalf of SpaceX welcome home.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh it just makes me feel so good, Chris, I'll
tell you this. I'm so excited that Hitler was able
to save those astronauts that have been stuck in space
for the last several months, Which is what the headlines
would say if you were reading one of the lib
articles Elon Musk's SpaceX finally rescued those astronauts after being
told they couldn't during the past administration. Finally President Trump
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gave him the Okay, you know, despite the political divide,
don't you think that this is something that we can
all get together on and be like this, this is cool,
this is objectively cool.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, we should be able to come together and think
this is cool. Could you imagine if during the original
moon landing, half of the country said, well, it wasn't
my party, so I don't really like what you're doing. No,
that would never happen. And with Joe Biden, he had
the opportunity. He wanted to be the unity president. He
said that on numerous occasions before calling us trash into plorables.
(02:23):
But he had the opportunity to enlist Elon Musk and
do just this, save these astronauts. He chose not to.
Donald Trump gets the win. Half the country is mad,
But this is an American moment. We should be able
to come together and celebrate this. And how cool was
it seeing those dolphins circling that castle when they landed
in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, that was awesome. I remember the first time Elon
sent to astronauts up into space watching that, and at
the time he was a Lib, I think, and I
was still excited about it. Is an American doing cool
American things, and you know, despite the political divide, I
was excited for it. So hopefully the libs can come
around and just recognize it. Hey, this is just objectively cool,
no matter who you are speaking of somebody who is
(03:05):
not cool with something. I want to get your thoughts
on this. We all saw the JFK files being released.
President Trump finally released them. The media had a field
day with it. If you want some in depth deep
dive analysis, go watch Charlie Kirks Show or Steve Mannon
or somebody else on the RAV network. They're probably diving
in much more deeply than we're about to hear. The
funniest thing though, of all of that, that I think
(03:27):
I saw was this TMZ headline that said JFK's grandson
slams the Trump administration for not giving the family advanced
warning about the files release, to which I had to say,
what kind of a rock do you have to be
living under to not know that President Trump was going
to release the JFK files. We have been asking for
these for decades. How are you upset about this?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And I would say, hey, pal, go talk to your uncle,
because when Trump signed the executive order, he handed the
pen and said this is for RFKA. It was a
campaign promise, like the entire campaign. I mean, I think
it was a campaign promise in sixteen and fifteen. Yeah,
you shouldn't have known that this was coming. And I
just want to salute our weaponized autists out there going
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through these eighty thousand documents. I myself have four kids,
two dogs, and a wife, and I don't have the
time to do it, but I just want to shout
out to the guys. That are the big things that
I've learned from the documents so far? Is Oswald acted alone?
Andy acting with the KGB, Andy acting with Cuba, Andy
possibly acted with Israel and the CIA, and it may
(04:35):
have not happened at all, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think the biggest thing here that we can learn
is that maybe it's Libs don't like campaign promises being
fulfilled because this has been a campaign promise for a
long time, and maybe that's his real thing. Hold on,
how dare the president of the United States actually fulfill
a campaign promise? We don't do that on the Democrats side,
so you shouldn't be able to do it too here.
Maybe that's why he's upset. Speaking of some people who
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are upset, I want to play this Tim Walls clip
in the limited time we've got watch this, and this
is Tim Walls saying he gets excited. He's happy that
Tesla stock is tanking.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Watched this saying on my phone, I don't some of
you know this on the iPhone. They've got that little
stock aapp. I added Tesla Tude to give me a
little boost during the.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Day two twenty five and dropping.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
So and.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
If you own one, if you own one, we're not
blaming you. You can you can take dental floss and
pull the Tesla thing off. You know and take out
of just telling.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You, you know, regardless of your political ideology or political leanings,
you should never root for the downside of American individuals
as a whole. Like, if there's a Democrat president, I
don't like what he's doing, but I also don't root
for the economy to tank. Tim Walls also forgot that
apparently what most Americans probably who have four to one case,
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probably have Tesla stock, so that's hurting them. Chris, your
thoughts on rooting for the downfall of an American company
For some reason.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
My initial reaction is, weren't you just saying that federal
workers shouldn't be fired last week? When an accountant at
the State Department gets let.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Go, that's a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But when a company has over one hundred thousand employees
and they're making products here in America, you're rooting for
that to fail. It doesn't make any sense. Yet, nothing
this man does makes much sense at all, And he's
just kind of illustrating the reason why the majority of
America didn't vote for you and didn't vote for Kamala.
Because we're America first, you're America last. It is exemplified
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time after time after time, we dodged so many bullets.
Tim Wats is one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I again like I don't root for the American people
to fail in any capacity, regardless who is in office.
Obviously we can criticize what's going on in the policies,
but rooting against the American people, that's just stupid. Chris
hann thanks so much for running through those heads lines
with us today. Really appreciate you coming on anytime.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Man, love the show.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Let's bring in our White House correspondent Monica Page Live
from the White House, Maicah. Yesterday there were some protests outside,
which you sent along some footage which will show the
viewers as you're talking about it. But explain to us
what's going on. What were the protests saying, what are
they trying to get across? How angry were they on
a scale of how angry the Libs are generally speaking?
(07:25):
What was going on last night?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I said, the Libs are generally maybe around it's solid
six to eight on an easy day, but last night
I think it was a little bit more escalated. I
mean they were loud last night. They had a giant
protest outside the White House last night. From about it
really started ramping up around seven pm Eastern time, and
it went on well into around ten pm Eastern time
as well. But there were a few stragglers in the
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afternoon as well, and we did hear a couple of
protesters just this afternoon while the briefing was happening. I
could kind of hear them through the walls this afternoon.
Not many, but they're loud, they have their megaphones. So
what they really wanted was they wanted the United States
to stop sending money to Israel and basically blame me
the United States, for the fact that Israel is defending itself.
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I mean, we have seen Gaza and Hamas really not
adhere to the ceasefire rules. They haven't been releasing the
hostages as they promised that they would. So Israel is
defending itself. It's doing what it said it will, weaving
out any sort of roots of terrorism. And these groups
that we've seen last night and honestly throughout the entire
Biden administration as well since October seventh, were outside the
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White House last night. I did see Hamas flags, which
was very startling. I saw terrorists kind of garb and
headbands and Hamas flags. Yeah, It was very startling. So
these people, are they really about peace? They are chanting
death to America. Free Mahmood Khalil, that activist that they
want that the administration wants to deport for being so
(08:52):
anti America. So very interesting scenes last night. They'll probably
continue this afternoon. Definitely stay tuned. But yeah, I mean,
that's the mood on the ground as of recent So.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It sounds like what you're saying is we should probably
send that video clip over to Tom Homan and make
sure everyone's immigration status is well. They're here, they're citizens
of the United States and not on some dumb student
visa or illegally entered the country. Also, I think President
Trump talked to Zelensky on the phone today regarding the
Russia agreement conversation. What's going on in Russia Ukraine war?
(09:25):
Tell us about that, yep.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
So as we know, President Trump spoke to Russian President
Putin yesterday on the phone, a very positive conversation. They
both agreed that Putin and Russia will stop attacking Ukrainian infrastructure,
energy infrastructure sites in the region, and they both agreed
that this war should have never happened, and that they
both have a common end that peace needs to be
(09:47):
established in this region. So just this afternoon, President Trump
following up with Zelenski saying, hey, you know, I just
had this conversation with Putin. Where do you stand on
all these kinds of things that we spoke about? And
it seemed to have gone very well. Mean, both sides
seem to be very happy with the agreement that Russia
was going to stop attacking these specific sits in Ukraine.
They both want peace. This moved in a pretty positive direction.
(10:10):
I mean, it wasn't like one step forward two steps
back from my understanding, but it definitely seems that there
could be peace in the near future based on these
conversations with both leaders.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, that'll be really interesting to see how that plays out.
Anything else going on with the White House that we
should be aware of, I know, it's kind of a busy,
frantic day. And then we got the readout from President Putin.
It kind of seems like everything's kind of smooth sailing,
or at least as smooth as it could be. Anything
that you're looking forward to later on this week.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Well, we'll definitely be keeping an eye on what the
schedule look like tomorrow. But we do know that later
this week, President Trump will be flying to I believe
it's Philadelphia, is going to the NCAA wrestling tournament, so
he'll be in attendance for that this weekend. But as
of right now, we do not know what the schedule
will be until maybe early tomorrow morning or late late tonight.
So it's always it's always a surprise here at the
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White House, but we're happy to adjust where needed for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Awesome, Monica Page Turning Points, White House Correspondent, Monica, thanks
so much for joining us. Awesome. Now, I know we
usually go into another panel segment and talk about the
news of the day, but we were gonna treat you
to something special. Last night. Charlie Kirk was in Atlanta
with Matt Walsh having a really interesting discussion that we
thought you all should hear. So that is coming up
right after this Don't Go Away Turning Points tonight. Will
(11:24):
be right back with Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh see
the other side.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Matt, Welcome to Gainesville, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Great to be here. Thank you. I heard you when
I was backstage.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
You called me disagreeable, and I just I just want
to say I disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So that's my dad joke. To start.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I have to brag on Matt here, because Matt has
a great way about him and as he's incredibly stoic
in the face of the most insane left wing nonsense.
Matt Walsh has been one of the most, if not
the most important voices pushing back against trans ideology in
this country over the last five years. And that's important
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for a couple of reasons. Obviously it's important morally, But
going back five or six years ago, everybody the trans topic,
we were in the ideological minority. There were not a
lot of people speaking out against it. There were not
a lot of people understanding really where this came from.
They were framing it as a new civil rights issue
of our time. And Matt Walsh not only spoke out
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against it, but I think had one of the most
powerful films ever asking the question what is a woman?
And so, Matt, you deserve a lot of credit for this,
you really do.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I appreciate that, and I think that. I mean, look,
it's I want to say, a lot of people have
been in the fight from the beginning. So it hasn't
been a lot, but there's certainly been a lot more
than just me. The one thing I will say, as
you said, we were in the ideological minority from the beginning.
I think we were in the minority, but not actually
the ideological minority. Which is what made it so frustrating
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early on, is that, you know, I can remember going
out there in like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen and arguing
about this issue of transgenderism, and the kind of blank
stares you would get from people, even though I know
that most of them agree with me. You know, I'm
sitting here saying a woman is a female, a man
is a male. You can't cross between the two. Transgenderism
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is not a real thing. It's a category error. It
doesn't exist. And there weren't a lot of people cheering
us on, even though I knew that most people.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Certainly agreed with that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
When we did our film What Was a Woman, and
we went out to the street and did our kind
of man on the street interviews, This is back in
twenty twenty one, that we would have been filming it
in twenty twenty two, and we would stop normal people
on the street just walking by and ask them these
basic questions about what is a woman? Should men be
allowed in the women's restroom. Is it do you think
it's okay to give kids the kinds of drugs that
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we give to sex offenders to chemically castrate them? These
kinds of questions, and the vast majority of people didn't
want to answer, or they would answer in the affirmative
to allowing men in women's restrooms, even though I knew
I'm looking them in the eye. I know you don't
actually think that. There's no way you actually think that.
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But people were afraid, and so I said all along,
our job was less convincing people. I don't think most
people need to be convinced that only women can have babies.
You know, that's the kind of thing that we all
understand as human beings. I think it's less convincing people
and more convincing, not convincing people of the fact of it,
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convincing them that it's okay, to convicting people, thank you,
it's uh, and convincing them that it's okay to speak
up to it's okay, it's okay that you know this
basic truth and to speak it and to stand by it. Yeah,
And so just I don't want to get into some
of the real fundamental questions here around this, because every
pastor here is going to encounter this issue on a
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micro and a macro level.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
So every pastor here will encounter a parent that comes
with a trans kid, and how they deal with that,
I want to talk about that, and then the macro
how do they deal with it politically? But I hope
you guys understand that in a short period of time,
with just a little bit of pushback, what we have
been able to do to put the trans movement on
defense is profound. This is a multi billion dollar industry
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that I believe is demonic at its core, that is
going after the children of this nation to chop off
their breasts, to surgically mutilate them, to against God's natural design,
treating it like a body problem when it is a
brain problem. And so let me ask a more fundamental question.
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You get this question off in Matt, where did transgender
ideology originate?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Well, I mean it kind of depends on how far
back you want to trace them. You could trace it, yeah, right,
you could trace it all the way back to the
Garden of Eden, I suppose, if you wanted to the
fall of man. But it really what we consider you know,
the modern gender ideology, the modern transgenders and movement goes
back to the mid twentieth century to guys like John Money,
Alfred Kinsey. I mean really, John Money is kind of
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the father of gender ideology, and he was one of
the first to get this idea that and to promote
this idea that there's a distinction between sex and gender,
and that was a really key move. Is to draw
this line of delineation between your sex, your what we
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call your biological sex, of course is redundant. You don't
need to say that sex is biological and your which
is you know, the way he.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Looked at it, it's.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Just how you present yourself in the world, and there's
this distinction between the two, and that was it was
very key to draw this distinction. But then what you
notice as this as time goes on and this stuff
becomes more mainstream, that this distinction between sex and gender
was then collapsed, and that happens somewhat recently. This is
something you started to notice around twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen.
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They started to collapse this distinction where now the transactivists
were saying that well, actually, a quote unquote trans woman
is not just kind of performing femininity is not just
identifying as a woman but actually is a woman, so
that there's no actual distinction. The transactivists would say, between
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a trans woman and a woman, they're one in the same.
So they and this is the kind of sleight of
hand trick that you find with leftists generally, but in
particular with transactivists.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Everything's a sleight of hand.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
They make an argument and they'll they'll never follow it
to its logical conclusion because they can't because it's all
gibbration nonsense, and so everything they do they're just trying
to set the stage for the next thing.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And so it seems as if though that the trans
movement hit an acceleration point in the early twenty tens
twelve thirteen fourteen, with the proliferation of social media on
our kids' smartphones, but also where the medical industries seem
to realize that there were tens of millions, hundreds of millions,
billions of dollars to be made coupled with actual transgender
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ideological zealots. Can you explain all these different buckets. There's
the social media component, which is the social contagion. Then
there's the medical industry that sees these kids' annuities. But
then there's also like firm religious believers in transgender ideology
that think that you're it's almost a gnostic spirituality. Can
you speak to the gnostic spiritualities part of it?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And and those are your those are your zealous as
you say, Uh, I think that they're They're very much
in the minority. I think for most if we if
we ask ourselves why this idea gained the foothold in
our culture that it did. Uh, it was able to
do that through our institutions, through the institution of medicine,
through our school system, through uh, the the you know,
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mental health so called mental health professionals, and most of them,
once again didn't really believe that any of this was
actually true. I mean, did they actually believe that a
biological male was in any sense really a woman.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
No.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
But for them, there was a lot of money in it,
a lot of money, and that's something that that came
on very quickly, and there was just this rush, this
millions and millions and millions of dollars all of a
sudden in this industry of confusing children and then taking
advantage of that confusion through through these drugs so I
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don't think they actually believed it, but you did have
these the true believers, And for them now, they can't
talk about the issue coherently. They even they can't really explain,
as we know, they can't explain what a woman is
when they say a trans woman is a woman. If
you just ask them, well, what what do you mean
by that? I find that to be a really powerful
question in general. It's like, well, what do you Okay,
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that's your statement, that's what you're saying, that's your that's
your claim.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Can you just talk about that for a little bit more?
Can you Can you give me a few sentences about that?
And they can't do it. And the reason they can't
do it is because it is purely a matter of faith.
It's a it's a kind of and they don't want
to say this because they want to cloak it in science.
But what they actually think is that it's spiritual. What
they what they actually believe, if they're willing to say it,
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is that when they say that a trans woman is
a man who has the soul of a woman, that's
that's what they believe.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But they but they won't say that because now they've
admitted that they're on religious grounds, and that's and that's
also an argument they don't want to have, because then
I could say, well, okay, let's let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
A trans woman is a man with the soul of
a woman. Where do he get the soul from? I mean,
where does he come from? Where's his soul from?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And the answer is.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Right now, Well, now we've introduced God into the equation.
And that's a big problem for the transactivist because then
then the question is, well, well, so.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Was there some sort of error on the celestial assembly
line where God accidentally put us the wrong soul into
this body?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Is does is God making mistakes? And uh? And and
of course that's not a claim they want to make either.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And so to go even further, I hope you guys
internalize what Matt just said. There's more profundity in that
couple of minut explanation almost anything you'll hear in American
seminaries when it comes to the transgender cult. What you
just heard and there's an old there's an old religious
belief of something called gnosticism is a heresy. Lucas talks
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about it a lot, and essentially it's a belief. Gnosis,
by the way, is the Greek word for mind. It's
a belief that the mind and the body and the
soul are all kind of separate pieces. We as Christians
completely reject this. Through the record, we believe that the
body and the soul are actually really connected.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's why in the.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Scriptures it says that our bodies will be resurrected again,
that our bodies actually have very physical meaning that it
says your body is the temple of the lords in
First Corinthians. That this Gnostic belief, though, is that beak
sense that you have a soul that is separate in
your body, then you can kind of be something that
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you physically or even independent or objectively observe that you
are not. So you could even be an animal. And
you guys laugh. I'm going to tell you a real
example donners Grove South High School. I think I got
this correct. In the middle school, the junior high in
the bathroom, they have accommodations for kids to be able
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to use like kitty litter, not because the girls are
identifying as cats. That is an old Gnostic belief, by
the way of people that would say that I'm just
a reincarnated animal. And yeah, it's a form of paganism, Hinduism. Again,
this is nothing new. Again, you know what changed all this?
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Christianity change all this. We're the first religion to come
through and say no, there's one God. It's Yahweh Jehovah.
This polytheism is a bunch of garbage. Right, So anyway, Matt,
can you can you risk?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, I just want to add to that because I
think that one of the problems, one of the ways
that this narcissism took hold is is that you had
a lot of Christians who don't understand their own faith
and and don't know how to talk about it. And
so so for example, you'll hear and this is a
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this is a quote you'll see I've seen circulating on
social media for years and years, and I think that
it's often falsely attributed to C. S.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Lewis sometimes G. K.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Chesterd And and the quote is something like, I don't
have a soul, I am a soul, I have a body.
That's that's the quote that you see sometimes. And this
is not something that that C. S Lewis would never
say something that stupid. Uh, because the the and and
this is you hear this from Christians sometimes, But no,
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that's that's that's not correct. I it's not that you
are a soul and you have a body. You are
your body and your soul. There's a unity of the two.
You can't you can't separate the two. So we we
we to think of it like my body is a
some kind of receptacle or a vehicle. You know that
my soul is just kind of driving around and pulling
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the levers inside my body.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
That's not that's not it at all.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
What I am, what you see, my body is who
I am, and my soul is in a mysterious way,
inextricably linked with my bides. It's part of my it's
part of who I am. And this is one of
the reasons why when we go to the transactivists and
now they don't like to talk about souls, even though
that is what they believe. As we've covered what they
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will say though, and this is kind of their way
of saying soul. They'll say, well, you know, sometimes you
have a man that has a woman's brain, and they'll
start pointing to all these studies that allegedly show that
some men have the brains of women. And this is
why I'm you know, I don't really care about studies.
I'm not a big fan of studies most of the time.
(25:54):
I know, we want to sound like we're smart, and
so somebody brings up a study, we want to throw
another study back at them, and you get in.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Kind of a study food fight. Well, here's a study.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I think, in my opinion, ninety five percent of the
time when someone brings up a study, they said, well,
haven't you read this study? I say, no, I haven't
read it. I know based on what you just said
that it's totally bogus. I don't even need to read it.
I don't need to read it. Any study that claims
to show that a man has a woman's brain is
completely bogused. I don't care if this study was funded
with fifty million dollars, they took seventy years, they had
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ten thousand people they were doesn't matter. Because what's the
definition of a man's brain. It is the brain that
is inside the head of a man. That is by definition,
a man's brain.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
And so Matt to kind of further go into this though,
and ask a very obvious quest question. We are able
to isolate them now with humor and wit, and honestly,
I think good hearted ridicule because these kids that they
when they go after kids, they should be ridiculed. You
do not go after the children of a society without pushback.
Christ said, it's better for them to have a millstone
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hung around their neck and thrown into the thrown into
the lake, see, than to go after the least to
these and so they should be ridiculed. But Matt, I
want you to I want you to go deeper into
something that you said. How is it that this movement
that is so philosophically and spiritually dark, that is so
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obviously easy to refute with a sentence like yours, that
one that the majority of the country is now moving against.
How did they get so deep in our institutions?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Man?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
How did they advance so far into into our territory?
Because now we have to go through what is going
to be everybody probably a ten to fifteen year project
of an extra to kick these individuals from How did
this happen?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Matt?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Was is it as simple as what we were just
asleep at the wheel? Or is it something more than that?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I wish so that I could say we were asleep
at wheel, because if you fall asleep at the wheel,
it's it's not necessarily your fault. That's something that happens accidentally.
I think it's worse than that. I think it was
a deliberate choice, deliberate it was a surrender, It was
a deliberate it was a waving the white flag. And
So to answer your question and to bring it to
kind of the point of this great event that I think,
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I mean, there are a lot of answers to the
question of how it got this deepen in institutions, But
to me, the number one answer is that there is
one institution that is supposed to be there as the
vanguard against this kind of evil, and that institution refused
to do its job, and that is the Church. Now
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I can again think back to twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
twenty twenty one, being out there kind of in the
field on this issue, fighting this issue out, whether it's
going to school board meetings or holding rallies or doing
anything for me, it's making a movie, just using whatever
resources are at were at my disposal to fight back.
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And I would look to the left of me and
look to the right of me. And what I noticed
is that I noticed what was missing, which is that
there were not a lot of Christian leaders standing there
beside me. I was more likely to look over to
my side and see a liberal feminist standing with me
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on this issue than a Christian pastor. And not only that,
but it was in fact worse that. Very often, if
a Christian pastor were to say anything to me or
about me in relation to this issue, it was to
condemn me for being too rude, for being too mean.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
They didn't like the way that I approached it, and
my answer to them was always, Okay, you don't like
my approach, what's your alternative, because your approach is nothing.
Your approach is to say nothing at all. And I
agree with something you said Charlie earlier about you know,
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we talked about the woke churches that have the rainbow
flags and everything outside, and that's a big problem.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That is an issue.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
That's not the biggest problem. Like those churches, they're not churches.
They don't count. I don't even that's not real. You know,
if you if you have a rainbow in your church,
it better be a part of some arc display.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That references Noah's Ark.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Because the rainbow flag is anathema, it is heresy. And
any church that flies it is not a church.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It is you know, this is a it is it
is a or I.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Should say it's a church, but not for the Christian religion.
For the LGBT cult is what it is. So so
there's that, so like there's those kinds of churches and
they're not that's not real. Those are not real Christian churches.
The bigger problem has been for a long time the
kind of milk toast lukewarm. I don't really want to
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get involved. And so you sit in these churches and
you're not gonna hear anything necessarily objectionable. You're not gonna
hear anything said that's wrong. Everything said is maybe true,
but it's what's not being said. And you know, to
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reference something that C. S. Lewis actually talked about, I
think in in in screw Tape Letters. He talks about
it in multiple works of his how you know the
the we're on a spiritual battle ground.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
We're on a spiritual battlefield.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And when you go to church, you've got your These
are your your soldiers, right are who are coming in
after being out of the battlefield for the last six days,
and they're bruised and they're broken and they're beaten, and
this is where they're supposed to hear their marching orders.
This is like, let's regroup, let's let's talk about our
battle plan.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Okay, that's what it should feel like when you're in church.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And so often, at least in my experience, and I've
been going to church for thirty eight years, so often
it doesn't feel like that.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It feels like.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Maybe a meeting with the HR representative at a Fortune
five hundred company, or like I'm in middle school talking
to my guidance counselor. Again, it doesn't feel like this
is someone on the pastor. And other are exceptions to this,
but so often it doesn't feel like the pastor is
even living in the same reality.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
As the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Right, And so to go back to the trans thing,
This was going on for years, and I would hear
I'm not a pastor, I'm not a church leader, but
I would hear from these parents whose kids are being
kidnapped by this ideology. As kids are being their minds
are being stolen by this. I've heard the most, and
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I know you have two Charlie. I've heard the most
gut wrenching stories from parents who have lost their kids spiritually, mentally,
and sometimes physically. I mean, their kids fall victim to this,
and two or three years later, their kids are gone.
They're dead because this this this virus, this mental virus,
infected their minds and killed them. And you have these
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parents that are struggling with this for years and years,
and so many of them are going to churches and
never once hearing it even referenced.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's like it doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
And so I'm sitting in these churches, I'm thinking, are
do you not realize what's going on out there?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Do you not?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Do you not understand what these people? What us, what
we're going through?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
What? What?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What actually matters? I mean now I'm just ran thing.
I could continue, but it's great, keep going. I I
I'll just say one one thing. I so just in
one of the most offensive just in this in this vein.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Here one of them. And I've told this story before.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
One of the most offensive, uh sermons I ever heard
was years ago from a pastors you know, probably a
decent guy, but the past the sermon was about toy story,
the movie Toy Story if you guys are familiar, and
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it was all about how And it was a long
sermon too, it was it was way too long.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
And it went on and on and on about.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
The movie Toy Story and all the lessons we can
learn from Toy Story, because you know, there are songs
and Toy Story about how we should be friends, and
so this this was kind of a sermon about the
value of friendship and how buzz Lightyear and Woody, you know,
they didn't like each other at first, but then they
learned how to be friends by the end of it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
And I'm sitting.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
There and I was a young parent at the time,
you know, two or three kids, and thinking about all
the things that I and I'm very familiar with Toy Story.
I like the movie actually, as far as kids movies go.
But of all the things that I am worried about,
you know, all the things that matter to me as
a father, as a man, as an American, and you're
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sitting there talking about Toy Story.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I mean, this is the kind.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Of talk that I would expect a kindergarten teacher to
give to their class, their students when they're sitting on
an alphabet rug drinking apple juice, and it's that you know,
and and that's one of the worst that I've heard,
So it's not often that bad. But it's not the wokeness.
It's that it's just that it's nothing. That's nothing. It's
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the sin of omission. It is the sin of silence.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Is that when you are silent, you're actually saying everything.
When you are silent, you are speaking to your congregation
that what you are omitting doesn't matter. And that is
so many pastors, unfortunately, will escape by and be like, well,
I don't mention the controversial stuff tonight, so therefore I
stay away from it. That's exactly what is wrong is
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that you have to stand up and be counted. There
is no middle ground. It's either you're a yes or
you're a no on these very morally important issues. I
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have two questions, and I want to go one at
a time. If a pastor in this audience privately, a
mom comes up to the pastor and says, Pastor, my
thirteen year old is a girl who thinks she is
a boy, how should a pastor in this audience deal
with that?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Well, I'll start by saying what even the left would say,
but they don't mean it, which is the way you
respond to that is by loving your daughter. You love her.
You never stop loving your child. But what that means
is that you will never surrender her to this madness.
You will just never do it.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
You.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I've said before, and I've gotten in trouble with media
matters or whatever for saying it.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I'll say it again.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I would rather die than have any of my children
be succumbed to the trans call. I would rather be
dead than that. I will do anything to stop that
from happen.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I will.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And so that's what you do as a parent. You
never give into it. It doesn't they're gonna they're gonna
say they hate you, they're gonna scream at you, they're
gonna want to lock themselves in a room. That's all
part of the cult programming, and you got to go
through that. But you never give into it. You never
you never give into the lie that that the fact
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that you've made your daughter and your child upset means
that you don't love them, or you're not loving them
the right way. No, in this case, the fact that
they're upset means that you are loving them. It means
that this is exactly how you should be responding and
on a more practical level. By the way, Uh, if
your child is actually struggling with this again and they're
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gonna hate you for this, and that's fine, but you
gotta look at what their influences are.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
And most likely, if you've got a thirteen.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Year old daughter or son who's experimenting now with this
idea that he's trapped in the wrong body, almost certainly
he's got the smartphone and he's on social media.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Take the phone away.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Okay, it's not just oh we're gonna we're gonna limit
the amount of time you spend on it. Take it away.
I got six kids. None of my kids have this
technology we have. We have one My wife and I
have phones. We have one other screen in the house.
It is our family TV. That's in a public area.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
In the house.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
There's no doors. We don't have any screens for kids
in a room where a door can be shut. We
don't have that. So you can watch TV. We're gonna
know exactly what you're watching, and it's gonna be in
a place where we can hear it anywhere in the
house where we go, So you can't even change the
channel and try to sneak something past us. And certainly
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we are not giving them unfettered access to the internet,
and so take that away from your child, look at
who their friend groups.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Are, and hopefully that will be enough.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
And then you might have to resort to even extreme
measures or measures that might seem extreme. If they're in
public school, you might have to think about do we
have to pull them out of school? We have to homeschool.
It sounds crazy and unworkable. It's not I do it,
You can do it. You're just doing anything that is
necessary to protect them from this madness.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
And I'll add to that every pastor here, I encourage
you to buy doctor Miriam Grossman's book Lost in TransNation.
She's an actual clinician. She's not just a theoretical thinker
about this. She deals and treats kids with gender dysphoria.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Understand.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Up until recently, we had a whole treatment protocol for this,
which was very simple. It's called watchful waiting. We believe
that puberty was the solution, not the problem. And usually
kids usually like ninety nine percent of the time, they
grow out of this thing and understand this. Here's some
facts about transgender ideology. When it comes to young people,
seventy five percent are girls seventy five percent. Why does
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that matter? Well, girls are far more likely to get
involved in social contagions, whether it be cutting puss, whether
it be dressing, to be able to accommodate their peers
social stigmas. They're far more likely to be pressured by
clicks or social stigmas. Young ladies are in a very
difficult time of their life at twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old,
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and the trans ideology swoops into them.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Fact number two.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
There's almost Matt would know this even better than I would.
But according to doctor Mirin Grossman, she's almost never seen
a case of a kid that falls victim of transcender
ideology that does not also have autism or other underlying
neurodivergent type disorders. This is very important everybody. So if
you have a kid with autism, it's a higher likelihood
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that they're going to be able to fall victim to
the transgender social contagent. What are we getting at before
I continue the next point? It shows that it's actually
not something within them. This is an ex externally received
communicable mind virus that kids catch through a screen. They
catch through a teacher. It's not something in them they've
always had. It's something they get like COVID, but it's
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far more dangerous and deadly than COVID. For our nation's
youth number three, which is very important, which I can
if you are a pastor, you need to get on
your hands and knees and pull every possible thing to
prevent a parent from sending that kid to a medical doctor.
I don't care if it's been their pediatrician since they
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were six months old. I ninety nine percent of them
are being trained in bad medieval witchery, witchcraft science that
says that they should go on hormone blockers. They could
be the best meaning kids possible. The guidelines of the
American Pediatric Association will will take your breath, am I
Right on this, Matt, it will take your breath away
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because the mom will say, oh, well, you know, my
daughter's thirteen, but we're gonna go see our pediatrician. She
has a whole plan. The goal will be hormone blockers
and a psychiatrist, and a psychiatrist immediately say lupron intervention, surgery.
Eventually no breast by the age of sixteen. Not an exaggeration.
And that mediatrician is schooled to believe that it is
a body disorder when it is a brain disorder. The
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final point I'll make is this is that that first interaction.
Doctor mir Engrossman crushes it in her book. That first
interaction means so much. You need to tell the parent this,
that you need to ask your daughter. It's most likely
a daughter a ton of questions. Really, where'd you hear
about this? When'd you start thinking that? Be infinitely curious
about the condition. The more curious you are about the condition,
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all of a sudden, all the defenses start to go down.
It's very tempting to be hostile to a kid who
thinks they're trans, but curiosity, all of a sudden, it
feels okay, you're loving them, you're learning. Oh, really, are
any of your friends thinking that way? We have learned
the same way that we have outbreaks of certain diseases.
We see clusters of transgenderism in the Pittsburgh Greater Area.
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We saw it where like half of the girls and
when middle school all of a sudden became trans. And
guess what, all the psychiatrists were affirming it because you
can't challenge it, Matt, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
The only and one thing, and doctor Mirion Grossman is
absolutely fantastic and she's also in our film What Is
a Woman. The one thing I would add to that
is before you also have to think about before you
get to that point where your daughter comes to you
at the age of thirteen and says, I think I'm
a boy.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
How do we avoid getting.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
To that point, because there's the question of what do
you do when that happens? And Mirin Grossman has a
great lot of great advice on that. Do you how
do we stop that from happening if we can, And
we've already gone over some of it. Some of it
is pretty simple, though difficult, taking away the phones, taking
away these influences, but at kind of a deeper level,
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and you won't be able to do this perfectly. But
you want your children to stay attached to you. And
I know we use that word attached and it sounds
like I'm saying, oh, you want to be a helicopter parent.
You don't want your kids to be able to, you know,
function in the world. That's not what I'm saying. They
you want to keep that attachment, that bond with your
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child so that they're orienting themselves to the world based
on you.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
So they're looking at you as the adult.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
As the parent, to figure out how they're supposed to
operate in the world.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
And that used to be kind of a given.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
I mean, for most of human history, children would orient
themselves to the world by looking at their parents and
then also looking at their grandparents, looking at their elders,
and that's how they figure out how to just be
in the world, how to be a person, how to
be an adult, how to be a man or a woman.
And what ends up happening in the era of public
school and especially now with social media, is that this
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that bond is severed, and it's severed sometimes very very early,
and the kids start orienting themselves to the world by
looking at their peers. And when that happens now it's
like they don't care what the parent thinks anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Now that it's.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
They they don't want to hear from the parent. They
hate their parents. And we take that for granted, we say, oh,
it's a teenage phase. They just they hate their pay.
Every teenager goes through this. No, it's it's a phase
now in modern society. It was not a phase back
in eighteen thirty two. It was not taken for granted
that your fourteen year old daughter would hate you and.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Want nothing to do with you.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
It happens now because our kids are living in a
culture that does everything it can to rip them away
from their parents and from the elders who love them
and know them and care for them, and to put
them into this confusing environment where they're they're learning about
the world by looking to each other, looking to other
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people who are also confused, and so then they're just
going around in circles, following each other. And so to
whatever extent possible, you know, to keep that bond with
your kid, to keep them orienting based you know, based
on you, I think is a is a big, a
big way to do it.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
So we're over time. I do want to get a
chance for one or two questions. I think we have
the ability to do that, and just so let's make
it good. And then I know Jensen's coming up and
it's going to close out the night as we are
bringing up the mics. I want to remind you guys,
and I didn't do this in my opening speech. I
know Lucas mentioned it. We here at TPUSA Faith are
not going to ask you guys for anything except for
one thing. We're not going to ask you guys for money.
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We're not going to ask you for any of that.
We are here to help you guys with a buffet
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speak out on these issues. If you have questions, Hey Charlie,
how do I speak out on transgenderism? Do you have
a good model sermon to talk about biblical approach to borders?
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biblical perspective. We are here to help you to make
it a no excuse strategy so you could be the
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congregation that you are tasked to oversee. And so Lucas
and the whole team are here to help and bless
you guys,
Welcome to turning Point tonight, where we are charting the
course of America's cultural comeback. My name is job Bob.
Thanks so much for tuning, And we're doing things a
little bit differently because later on we're gonna bring you
Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk in Atlanta last night conversation
that I think you're gonna love and need to hear.
So by doing things a little bit differently, we're just
gonna run through these stories as quickly as possible, but
(00:27):
also still have some fun with them. Here to do
that with us is Chris Hand, host of the host
of The Chris Hand Show on radio in the Nashville area. Chris,
thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Man, Hey, thanks for having me. This is my favorite
show on TV.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I really appreciate that. Actually, you know, we just learned this.
This show is the number one show on Real America's
Voice in this time slot. So it's a fantastic it's
a fantastic compliment. We love to say it. So to
get right into what's going on in the day, let's
play this first clip and we'll well up with tears
together and react.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And splashdown Crew nine back on Earth. Awesome splash down
good main release copy splash down.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
We see main shoots cut Nick Alex Butch Sonny On
behalf of SpaceX welcome home.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh it just makes me feel so good, Chris, I'll
tell you this. I'm so excited that Hitler was able
to save those astronauts that have been stuck in space
for the last several months, Which is what the headlines
would say if you were reading one of the lib
articles Elon Musk's SpaceX finally rescued those astronauts after being
told they couldn't during the past administration. Finally President Trump
(01:52):
gave him the Okay, you know, despite the political divide,
don't you think that this is something that we can
all get together on and be like this, this is cool,
this is objectively cool.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, we should be able to come together and think
this is cool. Could you imagine if during the original
moon landing, half of the country said, well, it wasn't
my party, so I don't really like what you're doing. No,
that would never happen. And with Joe Biden, he had
the opportunity. He wanted to be the unity president. He
said that on numerous occasions before calling us trash into plorables.
(02:23):
But he had the opportunity to enlist Elon Musk and
do just this, save these astronauts. He chose not to.
Donald Trump gets the win. Half the country is mad,
But this is an American moment. We should be able
to come together and celebrate this. And how cool was
it seeing those dolphins circling that castle when they landed
in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, that was awesome. I remember the first time Elon
sent to astronauts up into space watching that, and at
the time he was a Lib, I think, and I
was still excited about it. Is an American doing cool
American things, and you know, despite the political divide, I
was excited for it. So hopefully the libs can come
around and just recognize it. Hey, this is just objectively cool,
no matter who you are speaking of somebody who is
(03:05):
not cool with something. I want to get your thoughts
on this. We all saw the JFK files being released.
President Trump finally released them. The media had a field
day with it. If you want some in depth deep
dive analysis, go watch Charlie Kirks Show or Steve Mannon
or somebody else on the RAV network. They're probably diving
in much more deeply than we're about to hear. The
funniest thing though, of all of that, that I think
(03:27):
I saw was this TMZ headline that said JFK's grandson
slams the Trump administration for not giving the family advanced
warning about the files release, to which I had to say,
what kind of a rock do you have to be
living under to not know that President Trump was going
to release the JFK files. We have been asking for
these for decades. How are you upset about this?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And I would say, hey, pal, go talk to your uncle,
because when Trump signed the executive order, he handed the
pen and said this is for RFKA. It was a
campaign promise, like the entire campaign. I mean, I think
it was a campaign promise in sixteen and fifteen. Yeah,
you shouldn't have known that this was coming. And I
just want to salute our weaponized autists out there going
(04:13):
through these eighty thousand documents. I myself have four kids,
two dogs, and a wife, and I don't have the
time to do it, but I just want to shout
out to the guys. That are the big things that
I've learned from the documents so far? Is Oswald acted alone?
Andy acting with the KGB, Andy acting with Cuba, Andy
possibly acted with Israel and the CIA, and it may
(04:35):
have not happened at all, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think the biggest thing here that we can learn
is that maybe it's Libs don't like campaign promises being
fulfilled because this has been a campaign promise for a
long time, and maybe that's his real thing. Hold on,
how dare the president of the United States actually fulfill
a campaign promise? We don't do that on the Democrats side,
so you shouldn't be able to do it too here.
Maybe that's why he's upset. Speaking of some people who
(04:59):
are upset, I want to play this Tim Walls clip
in the limited time we've got watch this, and this
is Tim Walls saying he gets excited. He's happy that
Tesla stock is tanking.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Watched this saying on my phone, I don't some of
you know this on the iPhone. They've got that little
stock aapp. I added Tesla Tude to give me a
little boost during the.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Day two twenty five and dropping.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
So and.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
If you own one, if you own one, we're not
blaming you. You can you can take dental floss and
pull the Tesla thing off. You know and take out
of just telling.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You, you know, regardless of your political ideology or political leanings,
you should never root for the downside of American individuals
as a whole. Like, if there's a Democrat president, I
don't like what he's doing, but I also don't root
for the economy to tank. Tim Walls also forgot that
apparently what most Americans probably who have four to one case,
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probably have Tesla stock, so that's hurting them. Chris, your
thoughts on rooting for the downfall of an American company
For some reason.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
My initial reaction is, weren't you just saying that federal
workers shouldn't be fired last week? When an accountant at
the State Department gets let.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Go, that's a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But when a company has over one hundred thousand employees
and they're making products here in America, you're rooting for
that to fail. It doesn't make any sense. Yet, nothing
this man does makes much sense at all, And he's
just kind of illustrating the reason why the majority of
America didn't vote for you and didn't vote for Kamala.
Because we're America first, you're America last. It is exemplified
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time after time after time, we dodged so many bullets.
Tim Wats is one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I again like I don't root for the American people
to fail in any capacity, regardless who is in office.
Obviously we can criticize what's going on in the policies,
but rooting against the American people, that's just stupid. Chris
hann thanks so much for running through those heads lines
with us today. Really appreciate you coming on anytime.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Man, love the show.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Let's bring in our White House correspondent Monica Page Live
from the White House, Maicah. Yesterday there were some protests outside,
which you sent along some footage which will show the
viewers as you're talking about it. But explain to us
what's going on. What were the protests saying, what are
they trying to get across? How angry were they on
a scale of how angry the Libs are generally speaking?
(07:25):
What was going on last night?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I said, the Libs are generally maybe around it's solid
six to eight on an easy day, but last night
I think it was a little bit more escalated. I
mean they were loud last night. They had a giant
protest outside the White House last night. From about it
really started ramping up around seven pm Eastern time, and
it went on well into around ten pm Eastern time
as well. But there were a few stragglers in the
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afternoon as well, and we did hear a couple of
protesters just this afternoon while the briefing was happening. I
could kind of hear them through the walls this afternoon.
Not many, but they're loud, they have their megaphones. So
what they really wanted was they wanted the United States
to stop sending money to Israel and basically blame me
the United States, for the fact that Israel is defending itself.
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I mean, we have seen Gaza and Hamas really not
adhere to the ceasefire rules. They haven't been releasing the
hostages as they promised that they would. So Israel is
defending itself. It's doing what it said it will, weaving
out any sort of roots of terrorism. And these groups
that we've seen last night and honestly throughout the entire
Biden administration as well since October seventh, were outside the
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White House last night. I did see Hamas flags, which
was very startling. I saw terrorists kind of garb and
headbands and Hamas flags. Yeah, It was very startling. So
these people, are they really about peace? They are chanting
death to America. Free Mahmood Khalil, that activist that they
want that the administration wants to deport for being so
(08:52):
anti America. So very interesting scenes last night. They'll probably
continue this afternoon. Definitely stay tuned. But yeah, I mean,
that's the mood on the ground as of recent So.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It sounds like what you're saying is we should probably
send that video clip over to Tom Homan and make
sure everyone's immigration status is well. They're here, they're citizens
of the United States and not on some dumb student
visa or illegally entered the country. Also, I think President
Trump talked to Zelensky on the phone today regarding the
Russia agreement conversation. What's going on in Russia Ukraine war?
(09:25):
Tell us about that, yep.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
So as we know, President Trump spoke to Russian President
Putin yesterday on the phone, a very positive conversation. They
both agreed that Putin and Russia will stop attacking Ukrainian infrastructure,
energy infrastructure sites in the region, and they both agreed
that this war should have never happened, and that they
both have a common end that peace needs to be
(09:47):
established in this region. So just this afternoon, President Trump
following up with Zelenski saying, hey, you know, I just
had this conversation with Putin. Where do you stand on
all these kinds of things that we spoke about? And
it seemed to have gone very well. Mean, both sides
seem to be very happy with the agreement that Russia
was going to stop attacking these specific sits in Ukraine.
They both want peace. This moved in a pretty positive direction.
(10:10):
I mean, it wasn't like one step forward two steps
back from my understanding, but it definitely seems that there
could be peace in the near future based on these
conversations with both leaders.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, that'll be really interesting to see how that plays out.
Anything else going on with the White House that we
should be aware of, I know, it's kind of a busy,
frantic day. And then we got the readout from President Putin.
It kind of seems like everything's kind of smooth sailing,
or at least as smooth as it could be. Anything
that you're looking forward to later on this week.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Well, we'll definitely be keeping an eye on what the
schedule look like tomorrow. But we do know that later
this week, President Trump will be flying to I believe
it's Philadelphia, is going to the NCAA wrestling tournament, so
he'll be in attendance for that this weekend. But as
of right now, we do not know what the schedule
will be until maybe early tomorrow morning or late late tonight.
So it's always it's always a surprise here at the
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White House, but we're happy to adjust where needed for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Awesome, Monica Page Turning Points, White House Correspondent, Monica, thanks
so much for joining us. Awesome. Now, I know we
usually go into another panel segment and talk about the
news of the day, but we were gonna treat you
to something special. Last night. Charlie Kirk was in Atlanta
with Matt Walsh having a really interesting discussion that we
thought you all should hear. So that is coming up
right after this Don't Go Away Turning Points tonight. Will
(11:24):
be right back with Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh see
the other side.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Matt, Welcome to Gainesville, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Great to be here. Thank you. I heard you when
I was backstage.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
You called me disagreeable, and I just I just want
to say I disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So that's my dad joke. To start.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I have to brag on Matt here, because Matt has
a great way about him and as he's incredibly stoic
in the face of the most insane left wing nonsense.
Matt Walsh has been one of the most, if not
the most important voices pushing back against trans ideology in
this country over the last five years. And that's important
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for a couple of reasons. Obviously it's important morally, But
going back five or six years ago, everybody the trans topic,
we were in the ideological minority. There were not a
lot of people speaking out against it. There were not
a lot of people understanding really where this came from.
They were framing it as a new civil rights issue
of our time. And Matt Walsh not only spoke out
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against it, but I think had one of the most
powerful films ever asking the question what is a woman?
And so, Matt, you deserve a lot of credit for this,
you really do.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I appreciate that, and I think that. I mean, look,
it's I want to say, a lot of people have
been in the fight from the beginning. So it hasn't
been a lot, but there's certainly been a lot more
than just me. The one thing I will say, as
you said, we were in the ideological minority from the beginning.
I think we were in the minority, but not actually
the ideological minority. Which is what made it so frustrating
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early on, is that, you know, I can remember going
out there in like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen and arguing
about this issue of transgenderism, and the kind of blank
stares you would get from people, even though I know
that most of them agree with me. You know, I'm
sitting here saying a woman is a female, a man
is a male. You can't cross between the two. Transgenderism
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is not a real thing. It's a category error. It
doesn't exist. And there weren't a lot of people cheering
us on, even though I knew that most people.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Certainly agreed with that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
When we did our film What Was a Woman, and
we went out to the street and did our kind
of man on the street interviews, This is back in
twenty twenty one, that we would have been filming it
in twenty twenty two, and we would stop normal people
on the street just walking by and ask them these
basic questions about what is a woman? Should men be
allowed in the women's restroom. Is it do you think
it's okay to give kids the kinds of drugs that
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we give to sex offenders to chemically castrate them? These
kinds of questions, and the vast majority of people didn't
want to answer, or they would answer in the affirmative
to allowing men in women's restrooms, even though I knew
I'm looking them in the eye. I know you don't
actually think that. There's no way you actually think that.
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But people were afraid, and so I said all along,
our job was less convincing people. I don't think most
people need to be convinced that only women can have babies.
You know, that's the kind of thing that we all
understand as human beings. I think it's less convincing people
and more convincing, not convincing people of the fact of it,
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convincing them that it's okay, to convicting people, thank you,
it's uh, and convincing them that it's okay to speak
up to it's okay, it's okay that you know this
basic truth and to speak it and to stand by it. Yeah,
And so just I don't want to get into some
of the real fundamental questions here around this, because every
pastor here is going to encounter this issue on a
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micro and a macro level.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
So every pastor here will encounter a parent that comes
with a trans kid, and how they deal with that,
I want to talk about that, and then the macro
how do they deal with it politically? But I hope
you guys understand that in a short period of time,
with just a little bit of pushback, what we have
been able to do to put the trans movement on
defense is profound. This is a multi billion dollar industry
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that I believe is demonic at its core, that is
going after the children of this nation to chop off
their breasts, to surgically mutilate them, to against God's natural design,
treating it like a body problem when it is a
brain problem. And so let me ask a more fundamental question.
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You get this question off in Matt, where did transgender
ideology originate?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Well, I mean it kind of depends on how far
back you want to trace them. You could trace it, yeah, right,
you could trace it all the way back to the
Garden of Eden, I suppose, if you wanted to the
fall of man. But it really what we consider you know,
the modern gender ideology, the modern transgenders and movement goes
back to the mid twentieth century to guys like John Money,
Alfred Kinsey. I mean really, John Money is kind of
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the father of gender ideology, and he was one of
the first to get this idea that and to promote
this idea that there's a distinction between sex and gender,
and that was a really key move. Is to draw
this line of delineation between your sex, your what we
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call your biological sex, of course is redundant. You don't
need to say that sex is biological and your which
is you know, the way he.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Looked at it, it's.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Just how you present yourself in the world, and there's
this distinction between the two, and that was it was
very key to draw this distinction. But then what you
notice as this as time goes on and this stuff
becomes more mainstream, that this distinction between sex and gender
was then collapsed, and that happens somewhat recently. This is
something you started to notice around twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen.
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They started to collapse this distinction where now the transactivists
were saying that well, actually, a quote unquote trans woman
is not just kind of performing femininity is not just
identifying as a woman but actually is a woman, so
that there's no actual distinction. The transactivists would say, between
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a trans woman and a woman, they're one in the same.
So they and this is the kind of sleight of
hand trick that you find with leftists generally, but in
particular with transactivists.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Everything's a sleight of hand.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
They make an argument and they'll they'll never follow it
to its logical conclusion because they can't because it's all
gibbration nonsense, and so everything they do they're just trying
to set the stage for the next thing.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And so it seems as if though that the trans
movement hit an acceleration point in the early twenty tens
twelve thirteen fourteen, with the proliferation of social media on
our kids' smartphones, but also where the medical industries seem
to realize that there were tens of millions, hundreds of millions,
billions of dollars to be made coupled with actual transgender
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ideological zealots. Can you explain all these different buckets. There's
the social media component, which is the social contagion. Then
there's the medical industry that sees these kids' annuities. But
then there's also like firm religious believers in transgender ideology
that think that you're it's almost a gnostic spirituality. Can
you speak to the gnostic spiritualities part of it?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And and those are your those are your zealous as
you say, Uh, I think that they're They're very much
in the minority. I think for most if we if
we ask ourselves why this idea gained the foothold in
our culture that it did. Uh, it was able to
do that through our institutions, through the institution of medicine,
through our school system, through uh, the the you know,
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mental health so called mental health professionals, and most of them,
once again didn't really believe that any of this was
actually true. I mean, did they actually believe that a
biological male was in any sense really a woman.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
No.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
But for them, there was a lot of money in it,
a lot of money, and that's something that that came
on very quickly, and there was just this rush, this
millions and millions and millions of dollars all of a
sudden in this industry of confusing children and then taking
advantage of that confusion through through these drugs so I
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don't think they actually believed it, but you did have
these the true believers, And for them now, they can't
talk about the issue coherently. They even they can't really explain,
as we know, they can't explain what a woman is
when they say a trans woman is a woman. If
you just ask them, well, what what do you mean
by that? I find that to be a really powerful
question in general. It's like, well, what do you Okay,
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that's your statement, that's what you're saying, that's your that's
your claim.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Can you just talk about that for a little bit more?
Can you Can you give me a few sentences about that?
And they can't do it. And the reason they can't
do it is because it is purely a matter of faith.
It's a it's a kind of and they don't want
to say this because they want to cloak it in science.
But what they actually think is that it's spiritual. What
they what they actually believe, if they're willing to say it,
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is that when they say that a trans woman is
a man who has the soul of a woman, that's
that's what they believe.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But they but they won't say that because now they've
admitted that they're on religious grounds, and that's and that's
also an argument they don't want to have, because then
I could say, well, okay, let's let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
A trans woman is a man with the soul of
a woman. Where do he get the soul from? I mean,
where does he come from? Where's his soul from?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And the answer is.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Right now, Well, now we've introduced God into the equation.
And that's a big problem for the transactivist because then
then the question is, well, well, so.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Was there some sort of error on the celestial assembly
line where God accidentally put us the wrong soul into
this body?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Is does is God making mistakes? And uh? And and
of course that's not a claim they want to make either.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And so to go even further, I hope you guys
internalize what Matt just said. There's more profundity in that
couple of minut explanation almost anything you'll hear in American
seminaries when it comes to the transgender cult. What you
just heard and there's an old there's an old religious
belief of something called gnosticism is a heresy. Lucas talks
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about it a lot, and essentially it's a belief. Gnosis,
by the way, is the Greek word for mind. It's
a belief that the mind and the body and the
soul are all kind of separate pieces. We as Christians
completely reject this. Through the record, we believe that the
body and the soul are actually really connected.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's why in the.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Scriptures it says that our bodies will be resurrected again,
that our bodies actually have very physical meaning that it
says your body is the temple of the lords in
First Corinthians. That this Gnostic belief, though, is that beak
sense that you have a soul that is separate in
your body, then you can kind of be something that
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you physically or even independent or objectively observe that you
are not. So you could even be an animal. And
you guys laugh. I'm going to tell you a real
example donners Grove South High School. I think I got
this correct. In the middle school, the junior high in
the bathroom, they have accommodations for kids to be able
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to use like kitty litter, not because the girls are
identifying as cats. That is an old Gnostic belief, by
the way of people that would say that I'm just
a reincarnated animal. And yeah, it's a form of paganism, Hinduism. Again,
this is nothing new. Again, you know what changed all this?
(23:40):
Christianity change all this. We're the first religion to come
through and say no, there's one God. It's Yahweh Jehovah.
This polytheism is a bunch of garbage. Right, So anyway, Matt,
can you can you risk?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, I just want to add to that because I
think that one of the problems, one of the ways
that this narcissism took hold is is that you had
a lot of Christians who don't understand their own faith
and and don't know how to talk about it. And
so so for example, you'll hear and this is a
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this is a quote you'll see I've seen circulating on
social media for years and years, and I think that
it's often falsely attributed to C. S.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Lewis sometimes G. K.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Chesterd And and the quote is something like, I don't
have a soul, I am a soul, I have a body.
That's that's the quote that you see sometimes. And this
is not something that that C. S Lewis would never
say something that stupid. Uh, because the the and and
this is you hear this from Christians sometimes, But no,
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that's that's that's not correct. I it's not that you
are a soul and you have a body. You are
your body and your soul. There's a unity of the two.
You can't you can't separate the two. So we we
we to think of it like my body is a
some kind of receptacle or a vehicle. You know that
my soul is just kind of driving around and pulling
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the levers inside my body.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
That's not that's not it at all.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
What I am, what you see, my body is who
I am, and my soul is in a mysterious way,
inextricably linked with my bides. It's part of my it's
part of who I am. And this is one of
the reasons why when we go to the transactivists and
now they don't like to talk about souls, even though
that is what they believe. As we've covered what they
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will say though, and this is kind of their way
of saying soul. They'll say, well, you know, sometimes you
have a man that has a woman's brain, and they'll
start pointing to all these studies that allegedly show that
some men have the brains of women. And this is
why I'm you know, I don't really care about studies.
I'm not a big fan of studies most of the time.
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I know, we want to sound like we're smart, and
so somebody brings up a study, we want to throw
another study back at them, and you get in.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Kind of a study food fight. Well, here's a study.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I think, in my opinion, ninety five percent of the
time when someone brings up a study, they said, well,
haven't you read this study? I say, no, I haven't
read it. I know based on what you just said
that it's totally bogus. I don't even need to read it.
I don't need to read it. Any study that claims
to show that a man has a woman's brain is
completely bogused. I don't care if this study was funded
with fifty million dollars, they took seventy years, they had
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ten thousand people they were doesn't matter. Because what's the
definition of a man's brain. It is the brain that
is inside the head of a man. That is by definition,
a man's brain.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
And so Matt to kind of further go into this though,
and ask a very obvious quest question. We are able
to isolate them now with humor and wit, and honestly,
I think good hearted ridicule because these kids that they
when they go after kids, they should be ridiculed. You
do not go after the children of a society without pushback.
Christ said, it's better for them to have a millstone
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hung around their neck and thrown into the thrown into
the lake, see, than to go after the least to
these and so they should be ridiculed. But Matt, I
want you to I want you to go deeper into
something that you said. How is it that this movement
that is so philosophically and spiritually dark, that is so
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obviously easy to refute with a sentence like yours, that
one that the majority of the country is now moving against.
How did they get so deep in our institutions?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Man?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
How did they advance so far into into our territory?
Because now we have to go through what is going
to be everybody probably a ten to fifteen year project
of an extra to kick these individuals from How did
this happen?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Matt?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Was is it as simple as what we were just
asleep at the wheel? Or is it something more than that?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I wish so that I could say we were asleep
at wheel, because if you fall asleep at the wheel,
it's it's not necessarily your fault. That's something that happens accidentally.
I think it's worse than that. I think it was
a deliberate choice, deliberate it was a surrender, It was
a deliberate it was a waving the white flag. And
So to answer your question and to bring it to
kind of the point of this great event that I think,
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I mean, there are a lot of answers to the
question of how it got this deepen in institutions, But
to me, the number one answer is that there is
one institution that is supposed to be there as the
vanguard against this kind of evil, and that institution refused
to do its job, and that is the Church. Now
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I can again think back to twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
twenty twenty one, being out there kind of in the
field on this issue, fighting this issue out, whether it's
going to school board meetings or holding rallies or doing
anything for me, it's making a movie, just using whatever
resources are at were at my disposal to fight back.
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And I would look to the left of me and
look to the right of me. And what I noticed
is that I noticed what was missing, which is that
there were not a lot of Christian leaders standing there
beside me. I was more likely to look over to
my side and see a liberal feminist standing with me
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on this issue than a Christian pastor. And not only that,
but it was in fact worse that. Very often, if
a Christian pastor were to say anything to me or
about me in relation to this issue, it was to
condemn me for being too rude, for being too mean.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
They didn't like the way that I approached it, and
my answer to them was always, Okay, you don't like
my approach, what's your alternative, because your approach is nothing.
Your approach is to say nothing at all. And I
agree with something you said Charlie earlier about you know,
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we talked about the woke churches that have the rainbow
flags and everything outside, and that's a big problem.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That is an issue.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
That's not the biggest problem. Like those churches, they're not churches.
They don't count. I don't even that's not real. You know,
if you if you have a rainbow in your church,
it better be a part of some arc display.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That references Noah's Ark.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Because the rainbow flag is anathema, it is heresy. And
any church that flies it is not a church.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It is you know, this is a it is it
is a or I.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Should say it's a church, but not for the Christian religion.
For the LGBT cult is what it is. So so
there's that, so like there's those kinds of churches and
they're not that's not real. Those are not real Christian churches.
The bigger problem has been for a long time the
kind of milk toast lukewarm. I don't really want to
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get involved. And so you sit in these churches and
you're not gonna hear anything necessarily objectionable. You're not gonna
hear anything said that's wrong. Everything said is maybe true,
but it's what's not being said. And you know, to
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reference something that C. S. Lewis actually talked about, I
think in in in screw Tape Letters. He talks about
it in multiple works of his how you know the
the we're on a spiritual battle ground.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
We're on a spiritual battlefield.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And when you go to church, you've got your These
are your your soldiers, right are who are coming in
after being out of the battlefield for the last six days,
and they're bruised and they're broken and they're beaten, and
this is where they're supposed to hear their marching orders.
This is like, let's regroup, let's let's talk about our
battle plan.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Okay, that's what it should feel like when you're in church.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And so often, at least in my experience, and I've
been going to church for thirty eight years, so often
it doesn't feel like that.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It feels like.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Maybe a meeting with the HR representative at a Fortune
five hundred company, or like I'm in middle school talking
to my guidance counselor. Again, it doesn't feel like this
is someone on the pastor. And other are exceptions to this,
but so often it doesn't feel like the pastor is
even living in the same reality.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
As the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Right, And so to go back to the trans thing,
This was going on for years, and I would hear
I'm not a pastor, I'm not a church leader, but
I would hear from these parents whose kids are being
kidnapped by this ideology. As kids are being their minds
are being stolen by this. I've heard the most, and
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I know you have two Charlie. I've heard the most
gut wrenching stories from parents who have lost their kids spiritually, mentally,
and sometimes physically. I mean, their kids fall victim to this,
and two or three years later, their kids are gone.
They're dead because this this this virus, this mental virus,
infected their minds and killed them. And you have these
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parents that are struggling with this for years and years,
and so many of them are going to churches and
never once hearing it even referenced.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's like it doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
And so I'm sitting in these churches, I'm thinking, are
do you not realize what's going on out there?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Do you not?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Do you not understand what these people? What us, what
we're going through?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
What? What?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What actually matters? I mean now I'm just ran thing.
I could continue, but it's great, keep going. I I
I'll just say one one thing. I so just in
one of the most offensive just in this in this vein.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Here one of them. And I've told this story before.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
One of the most offensive, uh sermons I ever heard
was years ago from a pastors you know, probably a
decent guy, but the past the sermon was about toy story,
the movie Toy Story if you guys are familiar, and
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it was all about how And it was a long
sermon too, it was it was way too long.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
And it went on and on and on about.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
The movie Toy Story and all the lessons we can
learn from Toy Story, because you know, there are songs
and Toy Story about how we should be friends, and
so this this was kind of a sermon about the
value of friendship and how buzz Lightyear and Woody, you know,
they didn't like each other at first, but then they
learned how to be friends by the end of it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
And I'm sitting.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
There and I was a young parent at the time,
you know, two or three kids, and thinking about all
the things that I and I'm very familiar with Toy Story.
I like the movie actually, as far as kids movies go.
But of all the things that I am worried about,
you know, all the things that matter to me as
a father, as a man, as an American, and you're
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sitting there talking about Toy Story.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I mean, this is the kind.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Of talk that I would expect a kindergarten teacher to
give to their class, their students when they're sitting on
an alphabet rug drinking apple juice, and it's that you know,
and and that's one of the worst that I've heard,
So it's not often that bad. But it's not the wokeness.
It's that it's just that it's nothing. That's nothing. It's
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the sin of omission. It is the sin of silence.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Is that when you are silent, you're actually saying everything.
When you are silent, you are speaking to your congregation
that what you are omitting doesn't matter. And that is
so many pastors, unfortunately, will escape by and be like, well,
I don't mention the controversial stuff tonight, so therefore I
stay away from it. That's exactly what is wrong is
(36:31):
that you have to stand up and be counted. There
is no middle ground. It's either you're a yes or
you're a no on these very morally important issues. I
(36:53):
have two questions, and I want to go one at
a time. If a pastor in this audience privately, a
mom comes up to the pastor and says, Pastor, my
thirteen year old is a girl who thinks she is
a boy, how should a pastor in this audience deal
with that?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Well, I'll start by saying what even the left would say,
but they don't mean it, which is the way you
respond to that is by loving your daughter. You love her.
You never stop loving your child. But what that means
is that you will never surrender her to this madness.
You will just never do it.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
You.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I've said before, and I've gotten in trouble with media
matters or whatever for saying it.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I'll say it again.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I would rather die than have any of my children
be succumbed to the trans call. I would rather be
dead than that. I will do anything to stop that
from happen.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I will.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And so that's what you do as a parent. You
never give into it. It doesn't they're gonna they're gonna
say they hate you, they're gonna scream at you, they're
gonna want to lock themselves in a room. That's all
part of the cult programming, and you got to go
through that. But you never give into it. You never
you never give into the lie that that the fact
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that you've made your daughter and your child upset means
that you don't love them, or you're not loving them
the right way. No, in this case, the fact that
they're upset means that you are loving them. It means
that this is exactly how you should be responding and
on a more practical level. By the way, Uh, if
your child is actually struggling with this again and they're
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gonna hate you for this, and that's fine, but you
gotta look at what their influences are.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
And most likely, if you've got a thirteen.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Year old daughter or son who's experimenting now with this
idea that he's trapped in the wrong body, almost certainly
he's got the smartphone and he's on social media.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Take the phone away.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Okay, it's not just oh we're gonna we're gonna limit
the amount of time you spend on it. Take it away.
I got six kids. None of my kids have this
technology we have. We have one My wife and I
have phones. We have one other screen in the house.
It is our family TV. That's in a public area.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
In the house.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
There's no doors. We don't have any screens for kids
in a room where a door can be shut. We
don't have that. So you can watch TV. We're gonna
know exactly what you're watching, and it's gonna be in
a place where we can hear it anywhere in the
house where we go, So you can't even change the
channel and try to sneak something past us. And certainly
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we are not giving them unfettered access to the internet,
and so take that away from your child, look at
who their friend groups.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Are, and hopefully that will be enough.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
And then you might have to resort to even extreme
measures or measures that might seem extreme. If they're in
public school, you might have to think about do we
have to pull them out of school? We have to homeschool.
It sounds crazy and unworkable. It's not I do it,
You can do it. You're just doing anything that is
necessary to protect them from this madness.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
And I'll add to that every pastor here, I encourage
you to buy doctor Miriam Grossman's book Lost in TransNation.
She's an actual clinician. She's not just a theoretical thinker
about this. She deals and treats kids with gender dysphoria.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Understand.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Up until recently, we had a whole treatment protocol for this,
which was very simple. It's called watchful waiting. We believe
that puberty was the solution, not the problem. And usually
kids usually like ninety nine percent of the time, they
grow out of this thing and understand this. Here's some
facts about transgender ideology. When it comes to young people,
seventy five percent are girls seventy five percent. Why does
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that matter? Well, girls are far more likely to get
involved in social contagions, whether it be cutting puss, whether
it be dressing, to be able to accommodate their peers
social stigmas. They're far more likely to be pressured by
clicks or social stigmas. Young ladies are in a very
difficult time of their life at twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old,
(41:15):
and the trans ideology swoops into them.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Fact number two.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
There's almost Matt would know this even better than I would.
But according to doctor Mirin Grossman, she's almost never seen
a case of a kid that falls victim of transcender
ideology that does not also have autism or other underlying
neurodivergent type disorders. This is very important everybody. So if
you have a kid with autism, it's a higher likelihood
(41:40):
that they're going to be able to fall victim to
the transgender social contagent. What are we getting at before
I continue the next point? It shows that it's actually
not something within them. This is an ex externally received
communicable mind virus that kids catch through a screen. They
catch through a teacher. It's not something in them they've
always had. It's something they get like COVID, but it's
(42:02):
far more dangerous and deadly than COVID. For our nation's
youth number three, which is very important, which I can
if you are a pastor, you need to get on
your hands and knees and pull every possible thing to
prevent a parent from sending that kid to a medical doctor.
I don't care if it's been their pediatrician since they
(42:22):
were six months old. I ninety nine percent of them
are being trained in bad medieval witchery, witchcraft science that
says that they should go on hormone blockers. They could
be the best meaning kids possible. The guidelines of the
American Pediatric Association will will take your breath, am I
Right on this, Matt, it will take your breath away
(42:43):
because the mom will say, oh, well, you know, my
daughter's thirteen, but we're gonna go see our pediatrician. She
has a whole plan. The goal will be hormone blockers
and a psychiatrist, and a psychiatrist immediately say lupron intervention, surgery.
Eventually no breast by the age of sixteen. Not an exaggeration.
And that mediatrician is schooled to believe that it is
a body disorder when it is a brain disorder. The
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final point I'll make is this is that that first interaction.
Doctor mir Engrossman crushes it in her book. That first
interaction means so much. You need to tell the parent this,
that you need to ask your daughter. It's most likely
a daughter a ton of questions. Really, where'd you hear
about this? When'd you start thinking that? Be infinitely curious
about the condition. The more curious you are about the condition,
(43:28):
all of a sudden, all the defenses start to go down.
It's very tempting to be hostile to a kid who
thinks they're trans, but curiosity, all of a sudden, it
feels okay, you're loving them, you're learning. Oh, really, are
any of your friends thinking that way? We have learned
the same way that we have outbreaks of certain diseases.
We see clusters of transgenderism in the Pittsburgh Greater Area.
(43:50):
We saw it where like half of the girls and
when middle school all of a sudden became trans. And
guess what, all the psychiatrists were affirming it because you
can't challenge it, Matt, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
The only and one thing, and doctor Mirion Grossman is
absolutely fantastic and she's also in our film What Is
a Woman. The one thing I would add to that
is before you also have to think about before you
get to that point where your daughter comes to you
at the age of thirteen and says, I think I'm
a boy.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
How do we avoid getting.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
To that point, because there's the question of what do
you do when that happens? And Mirin Grossman has a
great lot of great advice on that. Do you how
do we stop that from happening if we can, And
we've already gone over some of it. Some of it
is pretty simple, though difficult, taking away the phones, taking
away these influences, but at kind of a deeper level,
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and you won't be able to do this perfectly. But
you want your children to stay attached to you. And
I know we use that word attached and it sounds
like I'm saying, oh, you want to be a helicopter parent.
You don't want your kids to be able to, you know,
function in the world. That's not what I'm saying. They
you want to keep that attachment, that bond with your
(45:04):
child so that they're orienting themselves to the world based
on you.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
So they're looking at you as the adult.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
As the parent, to figure out how they're supposed to
operate in the world.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
And that used to be kind of a given.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
I mean, for most of human history, children would orient
themselves to the world by looking at their parents and
then also looking at their grandparents, looking at their elders,
and that's how they figure out how to just be
in the world, how to be a person, how to
be an adult, how to be a man or a woman.
And what ends up happening in the era of public
school and especially now with social media, is that this
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that bond is severed, and it's severed sometimes very very early,
and the kids start orienting themselves to the world by
looking at their peers. And when that happens now it's
like they don't care what the parent thinks anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Now that it's.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
They they don't want to hear from the parent. They
hate their parents. And we take that for granted, we say, oh,
it's a teenage phase. They just they hate their pay.
Every teenager goes through this. No, it's it's a phase
now in modern society. It was not a phase back
in eighteen thirty two. It was not taken for granted
that your fourteen year old daughter would hate you and.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Want nothing to do with you.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
It happens now because our kids are living in a
culture that does everything it can to rip them away
from their parents and from the elders who love them
and know them and care for them, and to put
them into this confusing environment where they're they're learning about
the world by looking to each other, looking to other
(46:39):
people who are also confused, and so then they're just
going around in circles, following each other. And so to
whatever extent possible, you know, to keep that bond with
your kid, to keep them orienting based you know, based
on you, I think is a is a big, a
big way to do it.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
So we're over time. I do want to get a
chance for one or two questions. I think we have
the ability to do that, and just so let's make
it good. And then I know Jensen's coming up and
it's going to close out the night as we are
bringing up the mics. I want to remind you guys,
and I didn't do this in my opening speech. I
know Lucas mentioned it. We here at TPUSA Faith are
not going to ask you guys for anything except for
one thing. We're not going to ask you guys for money.
(47:16):
We're not going to ask you for any of that.
We are here to help you guys with a buffet
line of options of things you guys can bring back
to your church from guest speakers, Freedom Night in America,
Biblical citizenship where you guys can be equipped and actually
speak out on these issues. If you have questions, Hey Charlie,
how do I speak out on transgenderism? Do you have
a good model sermon to talk about biblical approach to borders?
(47:40):
How do I think about the deportation issue from a
biblical perspective. We are here to help you to make
it a no excuse strategy so you could be the
best possible pastor that you need to be with the
congregation that you are tasked to oversee. And so Lucas
and the whole team are here to help and bless
you guys,
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