February 8, 2025 • 49 mins
WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, FEBRUARY 8TH, 2025
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
About Twitter and X because accurate reporting has never been
more important. We have spent the last week talking about
USAI D. It's a number one target for Donald Trump,
for Elon Musk. Can we talk about where this war
on USAID even came from.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's crazy. So they didn't talk about this during the campaign.
You didn't hear a word one about that. One said,
I've read about this just a couple of days ago.
In December, Joe Rogan has a guest on who's like
a crazy right winger, allegedly crazy, I guess I have
to say in this day and age, who is like
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a white nationalist, self proclaimed white national influencer, and he
goes on and talks all about how the Foreign Service
and USAID in particular, it's a hive of criminality. And
he's a conspiracy theorist. And who's listening to Rogan In
that episode of Celon Musk, this is the first time
that Elon has heard of us AID. He picked up
(01:00):
right away, starts tweeting about it. And that's how it
got here. Just a line from show Rogan books this guest,
Elon hears about it, and now, like you're saying, like
millions of people are going to go without food and
medicine because Rogan platformed a controversial thinker, like I've suddenly.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Enterprise quickly to fall up on what Peter was asking.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Have you directed Elon Musk to review Pentagon spending given
it to the biggest discretionary.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Yes, Pentagon, education, just about everything. We're going to go
through everything, just as it was so bad with what
we just went through, with this horrible situation we just
went through, and I guess ninety seven percent of the
people have been dismissed.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
It was very, very unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
You're not going to find anything like that, but you're
going to.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Find a lot.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
And I've instructed him to go check out education, to
check out the Pentagon, which is the military, and you know,
sadly you'll find some things that are pretty bad. But
I don't think proportionally you're going to see any like
we just breaking overnight.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
Donald Trump says that he is cutting off President Biden's
access to intelligence material. Trump said online that Biden did
the same to him in twenty twenty one. I do
want to point out that President Biden did so after
January sixth, when Donald Trump was facing scrutiny for his
role in the Capital insurrection and speaking of the insurrection,
(02:22):
the FBI has now turned over to the Trump Justice
Department the actual names of all the agents who worked
on January six cases. The Justice Department has agreed to
not make the names public m but just temporarily.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot. All these networks lying
about the people. The people have had a belly full
of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I
know you try to do everything in the world to
stop there, but you're not going to stop it. It's
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going to have And where do people like that go
to share the big line?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Mega media?
Speaker 8 (03:05):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
War Room.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Bath.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Agree. It's Saturday, eight February, Year of Our Lord, twenty
twenty five. You're in the war room on I don't
know it's the day sixteen or seventy days of thunder.
They're all blending together because every morning feels like Christmas morning.
We just open up to this many more executive actions,
executive orders, legislation, or just things President Trump is doing.
(03:52):
I want to bring in Jackson. We're jammed today. We're
at Harvard in Harvard Square. More about that later. I'm
pretty excited to be back here. Fantastic magazine here in
their offices. Jack the soobic. First off, I want to
set the record straight, and this talks about the work.
The guy that was talking there and Stephanie Ruhl last
(04:14):
night was I think the former or the current executive
producer of John Stewart's The Daily Show. Last night, she
had various people. This show is so important to watch
because they're so crushed, they're so broken. They have no
earthy idea because they were so arrogant that they never
planned on they never planned on actually being out of
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power and having the control of the institutions and institutional power.
They're just wandering around and here's the beauty of it.
They have no resilience. Remember, in modern politics, or in
modern political movements, it comes down to like three things.
Its authenticity, it's courage, and grit and its resilience or
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its courage, and then resilience and grit resil as is key.
They have no resilience. Right there, he totally misapplies what
actually happened, and that was, you know, Mike Benz. He
calls Mike Benz a white nationalist. Now, it's interesting the
artificial intelligence on the script takes out his smear of
Mike Benz as a white nationalist, because Mike Benz is
anything but a white nationalists. Mike Benz is one of
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the smartest guys around that Joe Rogan episode, and you
know he went through USAID because he's been working on
it with Darren Beattie and Raheem Casam and Jack Pasovic
for years. We've tried to get this out of spending
on these authorization fights in the middle of night on
Capitol Hill. And who were the people that voted for
it constantly? Forget the Democrats, it was establishment Republicans over
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and over again, and the Paul Ryans and people would
never let people in to actually get into the math
and see what's going on. That's what's so amazing about
what Doje's doing with President Trump having their back and
then you know, President Trump revoking Biden's and the reason
is Biden's going to be under you know, a major
criminal investigation for this vast criminal conspiracy against President Trump.
(06:04):
So when they say, well, he did nothing wrong in
President Trump's insurrections, that's all absolutely a lie and not true.
And of course, Caitlyn Collins, President Trump is now directed, ordered, instructed.
You pick them Elon Musk to cross the Potomac and
let's get over. We're going to have some cuts March fourteenth,
and overnight this all the Democrats are talking about. They're
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going to shut Trump's government down on the fourteenth because
nobody's given them any math. We have to have some
cuts by then. USAID should be at the top of
the list. The Consumer Board, this thing that's been limiting
credit to working class people, got to be up there,
to russfod put in charge last night, Pasobic, where do
we stand? Are crossing the Potomac to go the Pentagon,
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ripping away Biden's security clearance, and probably most important, Mike
Bens and all the laboring ores that for years and
years and years went after USAID. Well, Steve, thanks again
for having me on.
Speaker 9 (07:01):
Congratulations on returning to your alma mater up there in Harvard.
I must imagine that they haven't quite had their their
dunkin Donuts yet. They don't realize that Steve's up there
in Beantown, because if they did, they'd be out with
the pitchforks and torches trying to get him out of there,
trying to run him out of town. But when it
comes down to it, folks, what President Trump has done again,
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this has been part of the strategic political maneuver warfare
that he has instituted since returning to office. What are
the key elements of maneuver warfare? Speed, surprise, shock and
awe Showing up in places where the enemy does not expect,
Not frontal assaults, but going around and disrupting resources, disrupting
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supply chains, and by going after us AID specifically, as
well as these other funded elements, internews and the various
different verticals that come out under usai D that go
out to foreign service is that come back to the
US because through the Internet there are no borders. So
when you're funding one of these foreign liberal services for
news or one of these platforms, of course it's going
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to be regurgitated back into the United States. And oh,
they say, they could say, we're citing foreign reports, so
see we're not funded. Yeah, you're just citing the report.
At nine out of ten Ukrainian journalists are on these things.
And so what they're what they're realizing now is they're
trying to pick up They say, wait a minute, this
guy Ben's.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Hold on, He's a key node here, so let's go
after him. Let's target him.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Oh, white nationalists, you know, not to dispute the fact that,
by the way, Oh, Mike Ben's happens to be from
a Jewish family, by the way, but you know, we're
not going to mention that, same as Darren Beattie for
that matter. But again, they're trying desperately to grasp for
some kind of purchase here because the maneuver warfare is
too strong for them. They don't have the ability to
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keep up with the breakneck speed that President Trump has established.
And Jade Vance has come out and said, this is
not out of the gate stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
This is the new norm.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Expect this every day for four years. It's not the
first couple weeks of days of thunder. It is an
entire term of days of thunder. The thunder will continue
and so looking at these different pieces, these different verticals,
so usad boom. You take away the resources from the
mainstream media, you take away the enemy's ability.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
To wage war. This is the key.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
The old Republicans remember, they sit there, Oh, we're going
to try to debunk you, we're going to argue with you,
we're going to go back and forth and have this
whole thing and mealy mouthed little words.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
But they're not going to pull the funding.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
Why Because the dirty little secret is a lot of
the Neocon funding was also coming from the insane pots
of money. And the great Data Republican go and follow her,
Go and look at the tool that she's created that
allows you, for the first time ever patriots and citizens
to conduct keyword searches. So you don't have to search
just for specific programs. You can just look up a
(09:54):
specific word at Data Republican and find exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Where your money's going to. And it's not just USA deep.
The way the system is set up, you can look.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
At all federal grants and so take a step back
from that. Now, go look at the Department of Defense
nine hundred billion dollar budget that's over there, with the
money outlay is going all over the place. You got
billions of dollars of equipment. As President Trump has said
again and again, that's left on the battlefield of Afghanistan
with the keys in the helicopter, hand over to the Taliban,
(10:24):
and then they're going to come down on the soldier.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
They're going to come down on the E four.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
They're going to come down on the E for mafia
because oh, you forgot to pay your receipt at Buffalo
Wild Wings with your you know, with your your.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Credit card that was given to you for travel.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
It's a joke.
Speaker 9 (10:40):
It's a scam what they've been running over there for
a long time. Anyone who's been go talk to any
serious person who's been in the military.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Ask anyone who's worn the uniform.
Speaker 9 (10:50):
You know, you know if your hand is on that bible,
that there is tons of waste, fraud, and abuse that
goes on over there. And it isn't even with these outlays,
the boondoggles that go on over there, and the foreign
money spent, the foreign military spending, plus the R and
D budgets and Steve with these with the R and
D over there. I explained this a little bit with
(11:11):
Bratt yesterday. The way the Pentagon structures. They are R
and D projects. So all the money that goes to Boeing,
the money that goes to Lockey. Go as Nicky Haley
about that, I wonder what she's up to right now.
And you're required to have all of these DEI affirmative actions. Okay,
we have these racial quotas for this type of contractor,
and you need the eskimos here, and you need Native
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Americans and disabled disabled.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Veterans here, and this one there and that one there.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
And it gets to the point where you're spending so
much money for a project that just doesn't work. Go
look at the LCS project in the Navy. Go look
at the railgun project in the Navy. Failure after failure
after failure, the F thirty five program, all the failures there,
the NB twenty two osprey program, the failures there and
the accident rate are through the roof cut. Why because
(12:01):
we do not put excellence and greatness at the four
for anymore. And that's exactly what Secretary Hagseth has called for.
It absolutely needs to apply to the distribution, the allocation,
and the contracting process of the DD.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
This is, you know, one has got to be a
realignment of and it may be too quick to do this,
but a realignment with hemispheric defense in the defense budget.
But you got to start. You got to start now,
you have to get You have to take a cut
at this. And I want to go back to maneuver
warfare and maneuver warfare. The key principle is do not stop,
just continue on even anything to regroup or make you
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It was offset by the enemy being in disarray. I
saw in Stephanie Rule last night. They had three or
four really smart thinkers there, including Ron and Sona from CNBC.
They're absolutely totally confused. They don't know which way to go,
they don't know what to focus on. The starting feel
sorry for themselves. This is when you put more pedal,
no break. You keep going, even if you're going to
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have some screw ups, right, if you're going to even
if you think you need to slow down for logistics,
we need more lawyers, we need more of this. The
answer is no, You just keep going. You pop up
in another agency tomorrow, you go into the Pentagon, and
you flood the zone with you fled the zone. You
bring one hundred of those programmers to get all over it. Jack,
I know you've got a bounce. You're taking a Saturday
morning final thoughts, Final thoughts on maneuver warfare and what
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you're seeing so far in doja's assault on the institutions.
Speaker 9 (13:28):
Well, Steve, that's exactly what it's about. It's about continuing
to fire on all fronts. It's about continuing to stupefy
the enemy. It's about treating this as what it is,
a hostile takeover of the American government away from people
who do not have patriotism in their hearts, and replacing
it with people who love this country. It's as simple
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as that, recognizing the political opposition for what they are
and treating them by the way the way that they
have treated us for the last twelve years.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Jack Pasobic social media, I know you're going to be
quite active over the weekend. Where do people go?
Speaker 9 (14:07):
And Steve will be up at Jack Pasobic on X
I will not be hosting human events daily next week
or are going to be out on assignment.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
On assignment. That assignment I think was with Secretary Defense
Pete Hegseth part of it correct.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
I'll be as the accompanying Secretary Heggs at the Cross
Europe next week with the NATO summit and the Minister
of Defence meeting in Brussel and Belgium.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Brussels, unbelievable, Jack Pasoviic, you turned out, okay, that naval
thing kind of worked out for you. Naval intelligence officer
Jack Pasobic working on fabulous. We'll take a short commercial break.
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La next on an ice raid that didn't happen in
the War America.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Here's your host, Stephen k Back.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Okay, Daza Thunder the big news yesterday they are going
to the Pentagon. Also last night in Axios in the Hill,
they're starting to wake up because he Keem Jeffries sees
the leverage point here. You know, you got the all
the forty eight senators are down at the down at
the breakers in Palm Beach. That always sounds a great signal.
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You know, you had these conferences and they're down at
the breakers. I mean, how much is that run a night?
This is the whole mentality. The mentality is like, you know,
the seven fat years are going to continue? What do
I mention this? Because Brad gets me. The CBO has
got a report out. The ink's just getting drying. And
the CBO report has projected. It talks about, you know,
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where we stand with the two training dollars, and they
agree that war Room's right is two train dollars deficits.
But then they project out and remember, let's go back
to Scott Best and Scott bestness sectary treasure. What he said,
the key thing is you have to take right now,
we're at six and a half percent. Our deficit is
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six and a half percent of GDP. That is not sustainable. Obviously,
his objective is over a couple of years to get
the three percent of GDP, and that's going to require
a combination of it's a supply side tax got it
is going to require a combination of the tax cuts
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the President Trump at looking for to have growth and
that growth, you know, to get to three three and
a half percent. CBO projects growth for the next ten
years at one point eight percent. At one point eight percent.
In fact, it takes mathematically around three percent to keep
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it full employment. Oh, by the way, the labor statistics
last night, as as e J and TONI went through
on this show, the only one to mention it in
five years. In five years total net job growth, total
net job growth has gone to foreigners, not native born
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US citizens. This is what the anger is. This is
why people are so angry. Or do we have our
White House correspondent hanger a second, let's put a pin
in this. I'm going to come back with a rant
or two in a moment about the numbers getting out
of control. But when I just said, right there about
five years of net job growth to fargn born and
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of course the zero hedges all over this shows you
a massive amount of that is not legal immigration here
quote unquote legal immigration here are neither my favorite H
one B visas or uh green cards or whatever you
want to say. Is big a problem of a got
for that big balcome illegal alien labor and what has
that done? That has crushed the economics of African American
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and Hispanic citizens in this country. And that's why Donald
Trump is back in office now. The one way to
do this is that we have to, you know, get
rid of the criminals and all that and people. The
million people have deportation notices, but already the embeds in
the media they understand if they can get ahead at
what Homan's trying to do. We're gonna have a bigger
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problem trying to get this. They're going to have optics
that they think when for them, and this whole thing's
gonna get slowed down. That's their objective, that's the resistance.
We're going to go to Natalie Winners and Natalie, why
don't we tee up? We've got a clip to play
for you want you tee up? What's going to be
in the clip and then we'll play it?
Speaker 10 (18:42):
Sure Well, the mainstream media and concert with these far
left NGOs are actively working to sabotage President Trump's mass
deportation agenda, and we're seeing this pattern replicate in state
after state, city after city, and raid after raid. Tom
Holman made news yesterday he was speaking on Fox talking
about how Right Out in Colorado had been actively sabotaged
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by someone who essentially preemptively leaked information about an ice ray.
They were going to go on to get several trendy
IRAGUA members.
Speaker 11 (19:12):
Instead they were only able to nab one.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
I think this sort of goes back to that infamous
Wall Street Journal article that you were talking about, Steve
Pryor to President Trump being sworn in right where they
were sort of leaking, if not doxing preemptively, not from
White House sources, but from likely these far left activist types,
like I said, working in collaboration with mainstream media outlets.
We can play that clip, but just to contextualize it's
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not just happening in Colorado.
Speaker 11 (19:38):
There's also a big LA Times piece coming.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Out this weekend, which I'd love to just read a
quote from if you want to talk about sabotage.
Speaker 11 (19:45):
Quote.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
Federal law enforcement agents are planning to carry out a
large scale immigration enforcement action in the Los Angeles area
before the end of February, according to an internal government
document reviewed by The Times.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
I've never seen someone to treeson but a buried lead.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
In that article, here's a quote speaking with an official
from ICE. Just because certain information is being given doesn't
mean it's the administration's plan, because they know some agents
are going to be resistant.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
This is what that's stunning. I mean, somebody inside of
DHS or Tom Holmans Group or whatever what you call
the imbeds actually gave the report, gave the plan. This
is what happened in Chicago. They're given the plans to
the media in advance the media publishism, then the rates cancer.
Let's go ahead, if Denver we go to it. Let's
play the clip and we'll bring our White House correspondent
Natalie back in.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Have so many questions.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
First of all, if they're shouting and helping these people
get away with bullhorns, how is that legal to get
help from the people in the streets.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I know they can protest, but that's not what they're doing.
Speaker 12 (20:50):
You're exactly right when they come to the cross line
of impediment, and that's why I'm working very close starting
this morning with the Department of Justice, and where do
they cross sideline impediment so they may find themselves in
a pair handcuffs very soon.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
So working with.
Speaker 12 (21:04):
DOG on that get some legal guidance that I'm not
an attorney, I know what sychops is about, I know
what crossing that line is. But getting DJ back up
on that so something we're looking at right now. Harris.
We're not going to tolerate anymore. This is not a
game when we show these sites. This is a dangerous
job for the men and women of Ice and Board
Patrol and all the dog agencies. To have this type
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of interference puts our office at great risk. Not only
are the officers, it puts the aliens at great risk
because anything can happen when we take our eyes off
the goal here. So we're addressing that immediately. Today I'm
addressing op sects today, operations security and how these fleas
are happening. We've already identified how this operation got lead.
I'll deal with that.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Okay, that's homing right there. The New York Post is
reporting that there have been eleven thousand in these rates
so far. Eleven thousand of the bad Own Braves have
been rolled up. I know President Trump. What I'm hearing
coming out of the White House is that he wants
bigger number. Anyone's bigger numbers faster. This is why they
brought GITM online. They have a huge problem with the logistics.
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They have a huge problem with money and cash. So
one of the reason they're talking about the two reconciliations,
as we recommended from day one. What are you hearing
over at the White House, Natalie about what the staff
and who are doing a great job over there, But
what is the word of how Christy Noman, Tom Holman
and Steven Middleger to get more support?
Speaker 10 (22:23):
Yeah, well, we certainly need to add a few zeros
to that. The sort of line that they're running with
is that there's just a lack of detention facilities, they
don't have the adequate space.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
I think those.
Speaker 10 (22:32):
Devetails not only but that the Biden regime did, but
sort of the lobbying effort that we've seen being mounted
from the kind of left wing resistance groups, particularly the ACLU.
I think the logical question after that Tom Holman clip
is you know who was behind sabotaging that raid? And,
like I said, in the states, all across the country,
For example, in South Carolina, there's a picture we can
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put on screen.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
It's the pink scheduling graphic.
Speaker 10 (22:55):
But groups like the Democratic Socialists for America, in concert
with more mainstream Democratic Party type groups, are actively planning
efforts to sabotage ICE raeds. You can see that. It's
sort of a know your rights campaign. The South Carolina
ag has stepped in and sort of threatened them. But
this is I think sort of a I shall we say,
I think growing sentiment among the left that they can
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sort of step in and have agency and get in
the way and block President Trump's deportations. The nation had
a long form peace. Today, I think there's nothing you
can do to stop ICE. Think again, they talk about preparation.
Resistance begins long before ICE agents arrive. Legal organizations and
advocacy groups must aggressively promote know your rights education.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
I was actually walking.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
Around in DC yesterday and I stumbled upon one of
these flyers. It says, do not open for ICE Denver.
You can also put on screen the Deportation Defense Manual
along with sort of like I said, these know your
rights campaigns, but they're pretty aggressive. It's not just saying,
you know, lie to ICE or don't open the door.
They're saying actively, like lie about your immigration status, conceal
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your identity if they are knocking at your door, even
if you're a criminal, you don't have to comply.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
Fun fact, the group.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
That created that document on screen has received over sixteen
million dollars in federal grants. So you want to talk
about USAID and everything that's been going on there. So
many of these NGOs are funded by tax payer dollars.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
But moreover, steve the issue too.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
I think here it's not just these far left groups,
it's really the mainstream media that's amplifying right without they're
putting gasoline on the fire. To that point, the FCC,
I believe, is opening an investigation, are at least probing
a radio station all in California in the San Jose
area that actively docks ICE agents their cars, their license
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plate that makes the models in a radio segment owned
by Odyssey, which is a George Soros controlled network, just
about a week ago. Luckily, the FCC, like I said,
is stepping in and potentially investigating it.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
But I have another clip.
Speaker 10 (24:56):
I don't know how we're doing on time, but I
would like to play MSNBC highlighting that same group that
created that deportation defense manual, and like I said, that
deportation defense Manuel trains illegals how to avoid ice.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Can we play the MSNBC clip? Do we have time
for it? Let's hold for the let's hold for let's
let's hold for a second. We'll do it. We'll do
it after a break. I think your furniture has arrived, Natalie.
If I hear the knocking on the doors, Natalie says,
I can do a hit this morning. I can do
a hit Smarty. I gotta do it for my home
studio because I got a furniture people should know she's
(25:32):
taking this White House Correspondent thing very seriously. She's moved
back from LA, She's now in DC. Natalie hangover a second,
Do what.
Speaker 11 (25:45):
Furniture delivery than an ice agent?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Exactly? I tell you what. We're gonna play the MSNBC
a clip on the on the other side, Birch Gold,
like I said yesterday, Dave Bratt was able to put
up the initial part of this of the CBO, that's
Congressional Budget Office. And look, the Congressional Budget Office's numbers
are never actually we disagree. They have a sing dynamics scoring,
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a non dynamic scoring, so that maybe on the margins
some differences. Bottom line by twenty thirty five, fifty two
trillion dollars in debt two trillion dollars a year deficits
in perpetuity essentially what they're saying. And obviously that is
something we're going to fight where you got to fight it.
March fourteenth, the clock is ticking, and Johnson in this
(26:33):
crowd know that he came Jeffery's is going to try
to block it. So this is why we get a
first cut, first cut of USAID, first cut of what
DOJE is found first cut, even though at the Pentagon.
Because capital markets are going to be quite turbulent now
more than ever. You need to go find out why
gold has been a hedge for five thousand years of
financial turbuence. A little pattern recognition there, birch gold dot
(26:55):
com slash band at the end of the dollar Empire,
the latest free installment modern monetary theory.
Speaker 13 (27:01):
From two point zero is a different beast than Trump
one point zho. But people know their rights now more
than ever, and we will build towns and cities.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
We will build fortresses of resistance.
Speaker 13 (27:10):
So I'm going to paint the scene. Garden is in
her home. She doesn't have a keyhole, but she does
have a window. The door does have a lock, and
there is nobody in the home that has a deportation order.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
So dene tech de.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
Wet and the who's sending a persona.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Juanas Natalie Winners rejoins us. The furniture arrived, Natalie, thanks
for thanks for It's a lot tougher doing from the
home studio than the White House, isn't I see? Your
new gig is is much easier getting a front. Many
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mean girls over there, as many mean girls over there,
picking on you. What are we seeing right here? I
don't have a problem if people are getting schooled. I
have a problem if they're interfering with raids. I also
have a problem with if you're an illegal alien, exactly
what your rights packages are. Is MSNBC trying to stir
this up, or as the media being actually to actually
(28:23):
get in the way of law enforcement. We know that
Pritzker and Illinois and Johnson, and so for me, instead
of going there and getting those people's faces, I'd go
start arresting officials. California just last night, your beloved California
passed fifty million dollars principally to thwart federal officials from
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coming in to actually do ice raids and actually remove
illegal alien criminals and illegal aliens. And my point is that, hey, Palisades,
suck on this. You shouldn't get a penny until that
law is rescinded and that California is reverse sanctuary cities
and working with federal officials to remove illegal alien evaders.
Speaker 10 (29:03):
Ma'am your thoughts, well, that mindset shows the problem right there.
I mean, since President Trump had won the election, Gavin
Newsom had been plotting, like you said, fifty million for
their state DOJ I believe half of it being itemized
to actually block the deportations, the other half to sort
of try to be a guidebook and sort of a
blueprint for other states to resist the Trump agenda.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
But Steve, I think there's.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
Another layer to it as well, that a lot of
these groups that are involved in the resistance efforts are
receiving taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Obviously, DHS has slow rolled and frozen some of the
taxpayer funds that are going to these entities, but they
still have sizeable war chests, not just from the four
years of the Biden regime. But you can see that
group in particular, Steve, and I think it's important to note,
right the first wave of deportations, at least as sort
of messaged by the Trump White House and the media,
has been we're just going after the criminals. Yes, obviously
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we need to expand that, but any deportation efforts that
these groups are trying to block right now, they're trying
to block the deportations of criminal, illegal aliens.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Right.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
And like I said, the information that we flashed on screen,
this is very detailed in terms of questions and statements
and answers.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
You can see their role play. What ice it comes
to your door. It's extremely well funded.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yeah, no, this is not just giving me information. That's
training right there. There's no doubt about it. Natalie. We'll
let you go about your chores on a Saturday morning. Fabulous.
A couple of weeks at the White House as a correspondent,
breaking all kind of news and particularly looking at the
response of Days of Thunder's. If you get a chance,
make sure you look at the Stephanie Rule last night,
because these are broken people. They don't have resilience. They
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have nowhere. They've always controlled the levers of institutional power,
and once you take that, once you strip it away
from them, they have absolutely nothing standard, including making an
argument to the American people why President Trump should be
slowed down. He's not going to be slowed down. Natalie.
Your social media so people can get you over the weekend.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Yes, the Emperor has no clothes. Natalie g enterns on
all social media platforms.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Thank you for having me on, Steve, Natalie, Thanks see
you on Monday. Natalie Winners, our White House correspondent. Fascinating
a couple of weeks. Very honored to be here, can
we get can we get is the shot good? Is
the shot good?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right there?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
If we brought that shot there we go right there,
the victim is identified from we're sitting here at Harvard.
We got Chemo Gandel student over at Harvard Law School? Right, yes,
Why why are you so brave to come on the
ward room on a Saturday morning? Chemo? Tell me? Tell
me at Harvard Law What do you study? And what
your are you? And so we're going to dos chemo
(31:42):
here in television? And where do you come from? Had
you end up at Harvard? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
So I'm a three al at Harvard kind of ended
up there because I was working three L three L
third year, third year law school. Yeah, about to graduate,
paper Chase, that's first year law, yes, correct, So third
year you're more and you.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
You've already thrown up in the when you've been cold
called the first time? Yeah, all the nerves.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah, cold calling, you know, not too much of
a big deal in my opinion. You know, from a
very practical standpoint, it's not grated usually with the exception
of a few professors. So does it matter? I think
it's mostly a pride thing. They're trying to tear down
students so they can build them back up. It's almost
like a military exercise Core or Blake boot Camp or precisely.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Is Paperchase accurate? I mean, and not the stuff about
the daughter and everything like that, but it is the
u Is Houseman's uh amazing professor, which he won the
Academy Award for. Is that was Kingsbury King?
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Is that an accurate portrayal?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I think it is an accurate portrayal. You know, I
can't go into specifics because Harvard has a non attribution policy,
but yes, I do think it's accurate, and I think
that's actually a good thing. I think we need to
rub out the snowflakes from the wall. People need to
actually understand what they're talking about and be able to
articulate the case law and if they can't, they should.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Get And that's contract contract law, right, correct, And contract
law is the foundation of kind of everything at Harvard.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Well, that's an edgy opinion. Some people
think towards is the basis of law. I do agree,
though most law, especially in the modern sense, is adjudicated
through contract.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Well, tell me about your experience here and particularly being
a conservative, and people tell me you're actually you're actually
pretty maga. Yeah, oh, I'm very big maga at at Harvard.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Well, I always openly talk about my opinions, and most
my colleagues are, you know, they're very cordial about it,
or they just don't have the willpower to confront me
on it. You know, a lot on the left they're
spiritually weak. They don't have any direction. That's kind of
the essence of existentialism, right, you have to define an
all for yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
What do you mean spiritually weak?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, they have no direct opinions about the meaning of life.
They're they're just kind of aimless. And that is one
problem that confronts a postmodern a i'd call a religious
Sometimes they dwelve into paganistic or dudo religious sentiments, but
they have no actual direction in a higher good, which
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is what the natural law calls us to.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
How did you get into Harvard? Did they have the
screening process here broken down? Seriously?
Speaker 12 (34:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
No, I was very Actually, yeah, I was very upfront
about what I believed. I've never tried to hide it.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
You know, you can look at my name round here
with security.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
No, I don't, but maybe I should. Yeah, I mean,
at the end of the day, a lot of these
people they're either decent in that they are just misled
or they're just spiritually weak and they don't confront you.
And that's the entire reason we're seeing such a massive
shift in the law, especially towards artificial intelligence, is it's
able to provide articulated answers and you don't have to
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pay these people's billables, which are ridiculous twelve hundred dollars
an hour for somebody to read a case. That's what
we're looking at, and that's why the transformation's begun.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Hangover a second, because you know we're the home of
the Luddites, where the anti transhumanists. What do you mean
about I keep telling people, Hey, it's not going to
be blue collar jobs. The first wave is going to
be administrative, managerial in mid tech. Is one of the many,
many reasons I'm so against H one B visus. But
give your experience as a person Harvard Law, a third year,
(35:14):
you're looking to go into the job market, talk to
me about artificial intelligence, even for a guy in your situation.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, yeah, so great question. In fact, I love the
show's take on that exit confronts kind of the incidental
versus intrinsic problem with artificial intelligence. I think what you've
pointed out is a lot of the current companies that
control the large language models practice objectively evil standards. So
they're adamantly against the president, they're adamantly opposed to the
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natural law, and they will actively censor those opinions. Now
they've rolled it back a bit simply because the positions
of power have changed. But you could bet that if
Kamala Harris won the presidency, we would see much stronger
security features with large language models like open AI with
Sam Altman, and it's kind of a sad world we
live in.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
A second, explain that. I just want to make sure
the audience understands is hit rewind and give me that again. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So a lot of these large language models have security
features built into them, either through reinforcement training or actually
how one and oh three works with open A either
different models is they actually re prompt it. So when
your call goes in your query, right, you type something
into the chatbot, they will actually re prompt it on
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their end, and that allows them to give a safe answer.
It's also how when you ask chat EBT something it'll
often say, sorry, I can't give you an answer for that.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
This is how if you type in on on deep
seek uh and talk about tanem and square, it comes
up and gives you some it's a it's a it's
a it's a beautiful day on for June and in Beijing.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Correctly, Yeah, no, exactly, deep seek. It's kind of a
scary world where Mark Zuckerberg is kind of our height
of open sourced software for large language models.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Mark Zuckerberg, I might add, came was right over here
in the houses what are called dorms. What the dorms
are called here at Harvard. Is his ethical and moral
training came from Harvard, did it not, sir?
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
It definitely, well, at least the undergrad school. I like
to think at the law school we have some higher
standards of ethics. Maybe not though actually we've seen a
lot of terrible things come out of that school as well,
but also great things. And so what I think when
it comes down to ethics, right, the problem with the
intelligentsia in this country is that they are generally existentially led.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And I do think our generations because does that mean
existentially led?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
They see as a function of their pride. They try
to define the world in their image, which is what
you talked about these transhumanists, right. Transhumanism is the essence
of pride because it's an attempt to reconstruct God's world
in your own image. It's an attempt to be God.
And that's really been the epitome of postmodern Western ide,
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which is despite God. This is very different from what
we might see in the East, you know, even if
you go back as far as Confucius as analeks, right,
it's more about order and domination and habitual conduct. This
is very different from what we see in the West,
and it's part of what makes the West great, but
it's also part of what makes the West so susceptible
to these demonic influences.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Do you have in Harvard? Do you have either the
coffee shops or in the dorms or the housing units,
or in the classrooms. Do you have these type of debates,
open debates about this? Can you have that? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I try to talk to my classmates all the time
about demonic influence and the judiciary. But that's a joke.
That's a joke. I'm not actually claiming my opponents believe that.
But yeah, we have these debates all the time, and
it's if you're just upfront with people, I think they
respect that. We now live in a world with so
much noise, partially created by AI, partially created just by
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social media, that people really respect honesty and so when
you're honest and you're polite and you're cordial to people,
you can change opinions.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Chimo is we go through days of thunder, and we
had the Stephanie rule at the beginning of about the
guys last night are totally shattered. It looks like they're depending.
In fact, half the show is talking about the courts,
and you have federal judges. Yesterday includes some we know
very well, some Trump appointees of people associated the show
worked on their confirmation actually start to slow down the process.
(39:22):
What's your takeaway from that?
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Yeah, so, without diving into the cases themselves, there's this
general sentiment amongst the intelligentsia to slow things down, and
there's some reason for that.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Part of its pride, part of it is a belief
that you're so important it needs to go through your
own review. Part of that is also just their ideology.
Because the intelligentsia is so obsessed with looking at tiny,
small details. They forget to look at the larger picture.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Chemo, any social med and we're going to have you
back on and we'll roll some other guests that were
in Harvard Square today. So we've got some great conference
going on. Salient Magazine is helping one of the people
helping you put this on. We'll talk about the magazine
a little more in the second hour. Any social media uh.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
That you have, Yeah, look me up on LinkedIn or Twitter, Chemo, underscore, gandal,
you can find me anywhere. And I'm actively posting on
the conservative movement and artificial intelligence.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
So expect to be swamped today after Media Matters puts
his clip up in a little while.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I love it. Love to talk to them too.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
We love warriors, We love warriors. Big article in the
Hill newspaper this morning, what is about President Trump's tariffs
and specifically about active pharmaceutical ingredients and generics. We've talked
a couple three times about this on this show. They're
gonna be hit with tariffs, so as it. That's okay,
(40:43):
kem to the end. That's that's fine. We're good. No, no, no,
we're good. We're good. Natalie had last segment. My producer
just gave Chemo the hook Jace Medical. Maybe I'll finish
this the next segment short break back in a moment.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Or room.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Here's your host, Stephen k Back. Okay, welcome back. Honored
to be with Professor Amy Wax. By the I'm telling
our producer he cannot give her the hook. She's here
for the whole segment. Back off there, Harry, We're here
in Harvard Square. Professor Amy wax I'm a huge fan
and have wanted to do this for so long. Talk
(41:25):
to me. First off, why are you here at a
conference talking to young students at Harvard today?
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Well, because what's more important than young people to the
future of our country? And I see an academia complete
indifference to that future, to young people, to responsibilities towards
those young people, to expose them to the truth, to reality.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
However unpleasant that might be.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
I see dereliction in that duty, and more broadly, as
a concernrivative. I believe in Edmund Burke's covenant, which is
that because we have inherited wonderful, lasting, valuable institutions from
the past and from the struggles and sacrifices, of the past.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
We have a duty to preserve, protect and defend them,
and then pass them on to the next generation victim.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
We owe as much to those that came before us
as we owe to future generations, and we honor that
by passing on these institutions in better shape of making
sure we pass them on with their original.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Intent precisely, precisely.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
And I take that United States of America, we.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Absolutely are not What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (42:43):
Well, first of all, we are degrading and debasing the
institutions of Western civilization, actively denigrating them and running them down.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I think in many ways that are just plain false.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
And we are teaching our children and our young people
that what we enjoy every day, the privileges and the
benefits that we enjoy every day, are somehow ill gotten gains.
They are the product of exploitation and persecution and racism
and all of these evil forces.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And that is a lie.
Speaker 8 (43:25):
So we shouldn't be doing that because it causes them
to have a heedless attitude towards all of the goods
that they have inherited.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
So I think that's very wrong.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Secondly, I see in my fellow academics an unwillingness to
go up against the powers that be and some of
their destructive and nefarious ideas and programs like DEI, which
denigrates the meritocracy, which creates a lacks atmosphere that results
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in incompetence, which discriminates against white males, which valorizes identity,
politics and diversity over and above other important values. And
they won't speak up about it, even though many of
them behind closed doors have their doubts and don't even
(44:21):
support and approve of this kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
So it's a kind of cowardice.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
And of course who suffers from that cowardice the people
who are coming after us.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Hey a second, you've been in academia at top universities
niver Niversity Virginia, University of Pennsylvania for thirty some years.
How did this happen? Those are two of the leading
institutions in this country founded by some of the great
you know, Jomas Jefferson at UVA, the University of Pennsylvania,
the fantastic people in Pennsylvania that formed that in Philadelphia.
(44:54):
How did these two leading institutions deteriorate so badly?
Speaker 8 (44:58):
Well, I mean it happened, and as Hemingway says then suddenly,
and it's because of that the far left has created
a stronghold in these institutions, and it has drawn up
the ladders and consolidated its power and the belief and
that belief system is very far removed from most ordinary people,
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and of course the interests of those ordinary people. Although
the elites profess to care about them, they don't really
care about me.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
About that, they don't care. That's all phony.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
I think it's largely phony. You can just look around
you in Cambridge and see this sort of posh, refined,
beautiful place that elite people have created for themselves. Go
thirty miles to the west of Philadelphia outside my home,
and you'll see squalored, decrepitude, lack of law and order,
(45:56):
a paucity of nice things, and everybody he wants nice things.
But I think it's more than that. It's an ideology
that the left has cultivated in these universities. And in
the debate last night that the Salient held, one of
the students said it well.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
He said, the two.
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Pillars of the far left are number one, self fashioning.
We reject all obligations and duties that are unchosen.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
We will choose and we will create ourselves. We shall
be as gods.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
Right.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
And secondly, this obsession with equality of outcome, which of
course is the centerpiece of what we know as woke.
And we will, by hook and by crook force people
to accept that ideology and to live that ideology while
we largely exempt ourselves from it. And here I'm going
(46:49):
to cite Charles Murray in Coming Apart, which is a
brilliant and magisterial book. He has shown how the elites
have separated themselves from the rest of society to twenty
percent geographically, culturally, educationally.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
In where they live very important.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
They lived in the fastness of their little whitetopias while
they tout diversity for everybody else. So there's a lot
of double standards and duplicity here, which the masses understand.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
We have about ninety seconds any recommendations to President Trump
in his days of thunder, if you've seen the direction
where he's headed, what would you tell the president if
he was here this morning?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Defund academia.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
We have Title six of the Civil Rights Act, which
makes the receipt of federal funds in private institutions like
my own contingent on obeying the law, not discriminating, obeying
the civil rights laws. Those laws are violated every day
in every way, and Trump would have ample justification to
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cut off those into institutions and ask them to prove
that they deserve all this money. Pen gets nine hundred
plus million dollars a year in loans and grants, in
other programmatic funding. They are rich enough to fund themselves
until they prove that they are obeying the law.
Speaker 6 (48:20):
Defund them. That's the mother's milk of these of these
posh universities. Defund them, play hardball, make them start focusing
on Western civilization.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Nothing else will get their attention.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
Professor Amy Wax, We're gonna take, We're gonna leave with
the right stuff from the classic movie by Philip Kaufman.
I think Professor Amy Wax has got the right stuff,
and she knows it when she sees it. Short commercial
break back for the second Hour of the World from
Harvard Square, just a moment
About Twitter and X because accurate reporting has never been
more important. We have spent the last week talking about
USAI D. It's a number one target for Donald Trump,
for Elon Musk. Can we talk about where this war
on USAID even came from.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's crazy. So they didn't talk about this during the campaign.
You didn't hear a word one about that. One said,
I've read about this just a couple of days ago.
In December, Joe Rogan has a guest on who's like
a crazy right winger, allegedly crazy, I guess I have
to say in this day and age, who is like
(00:37):
a white nationalist, self proclaimed white national influencer, and he
goes on and talks all about how the Foreign Service
and USAID in particular, it's a hive of criminality. And
he's a conspiracy theorist. And who's listening to Rogan In
that episode of Celon Musk, this is the first time
that Elon has heard of us AID. He picked up
(01:00):
right away, starts tweeting about it. And that's how it
got here. Just a line from show Rogan books this guest,
Elon hears about it, and now, like you're saying, like
millions of people are going to go without food and
medicine because Rogan platformed a controversial thinker, like I've suddenly.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Enterprise quickly to fall up on what Peter was asking.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Have you directed Elon Musk to review Pentagon spending given
it to the biggest discretionary.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Yes, Pentagon, education, just about everything. We're going to go
through everything, just as it was so bad with what
we just went through, with this horrible situation we just
went through, and I guess ninety seven percent of the
people have been dismissed.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
It was very, very unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
You're not going to find anything like that, but you're
going to.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Find a lot.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
And I've instructed him to go check out education, to
check out the Pentagon, which is the military, and you know,
sadly you'll find some things that are pretty bad. But
I don't think proportionally you're going to see any like
we just breaking overnight.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
Donald Trump says that he is cutting off President Biden's
access to intelligence material. Trump said online that Biden did
the same to him in twenty twenty one. I do
want to point out that President Biden did so after
January sixth, when Donald Trump was facing scrutiny for his
role in the Capital insurrection and speaking of the insurrection,
(02:22):
the FBI has now turned over to the Trump Justice
Department the actual names of all the agents who worked
on January six cases. The Justice Department has agreed to
not make the names public m but just temporarily.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot. All these networks lying
about the people. The people have had a belly full
of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I
know you try to do everything in the world to
stop there, but you're not going to stop it. It's
(02:59):
going to have And where do people like that go
to share the big line?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Mega media?
Speaker 8 (03:05):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
War Room.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Bath.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Agree. It's Saturday, eight February, Year of Our Lord, twenty
twenty five. You're in the war room on I don't
know it's the day sixteen or seventy days of thunder.
They're all blending together because every morning feels like Christmas morning.
We just open up to this many more executive actions,
executive orders, legislation, or just things President Trump is doing.
(03:52):
I want to bring in Jackson. We're jammed today. We're
at Harvard in Harvard Square. More about that later. I'm
pretty excited to be back here. Fantastic magazine here in
their offices. Jack the soobic. First off, I want to
set the record straight, and this talks about the work.
The guy that was talking there and Stephanie Ruhl last
(04:14):
night was I think the former or the current executive
producer of John Stewart's The Daily Show. Last night, she
had various people. This show is so important to watch
because they're so crushed, they're so broken. They have no
earthy idea because they were so arrogant that they never
planned on they never planned on actually being out of
(04:34):
power and having the control of the institutions and institutional power.
They're just wandering around and here's the beauty of it.
They have no resilience. Remember, in modern politics, or in
modern political movements, it comes down to like three things.
Its authenticity, it's courage, and grit and its resilience or
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its courage, and then resilience and grit resil as is key.
They have no resilience. Right there, he totally misapplies what
actually happened, and that was, you know, Mike Benz. He
calls Mike Benz a white nationalist. Now, it's interesting the
artificial intelligence on the script takes out his smear of
Mike Benz as a white nationalist, because Mike Benz is
anything but a white nationalists. Mike Benz is one of
(05:18):
the smartest guys around that Joe Rogan episode, and you
know he went through USAID because he's been working on
it with Darren Beattie and Raheem Casam and Jack Pasovic
for years. We've tried to get this out of spending
on these authorization fights in the middle of night on
Capitol Hill. And who were the people that voted for
it constantly? Forget the Democrats, it was establishment Republicans over
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and over again, and the Paul Ryans and people would
never let people in to actually get into the math
and see what's going on. That's what's so amazing about
what Doje's doing with President Trump having their back and
then you know, President Trump revoking Biden's and the reason
is Biden's going to be under you know, a major
criminal investigation for this vast criminal conspiracy against President Trump.
(06:04):
So when they say, well, he did nothing wrong in
President Trump's insurrections, that's all absolutely a lie and not true.
And of course, Caitlyn Collins, President Trump is now directed, ordered, instructed.
You pick them Elon Musk to cross the Potomac and
let's get over. We're going to have some cuts March fourteenth,
and overnight this all the Democrats are talking about. They're
(06:26):
going to shut Trump's government down on the fourteenth because
nobody's given them any math. We have to have some
cuts by then. USAID should be at the top of
the list. The Consumer Board, this thing that's been limiting
credit to working class people, got to be up there,
to russfod put in charge last night, Pasobic, where do
we stand? Are crossing the Potomac to go the Pentagon,
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ripping away Biden's security clearance, and probably most important, Mike
Bens and all the laboring ores that for years and
years and years went after USAID. Well, Steve, thanks again
for having me on.
Speaker 9 (07:01):
Congratulations on returning to your alma mater up there in Harvard.
I must imagine that they haven't quite had their their
dunkin Donuts yet. They don't realize that Steve's up there
in Beantown, because if they did, they'd be out with
the pitchforks and torches trying to get him out of there,
trying to run him out of town. But when it
comes down to it, folks, what President Trump has done again,
(07:24):
this has been part of the strategic political maneuver warfare
that he has instituted since returning to office. What are
the key elements of maneuver warfare? Speed, surprise, shock and
awe Showing up in places where the enemy does not expect,
Not frontal assaults, but going around and disrupting resources, disrupting
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supply chains, and by going after us AID specifically, as
well as these other funded elements, internews and the various
different verticals that come out under usai D that go
out to foreign service is that come back to the
US because through the Internet there are no borders. So
when you're funding one of these foreign liberal services for
news or one of these platforms, of course it's going
(08:08):
to be regurgitated back into the United States. And oh,
they say, they could say, we're citing foreign reports, so
see we're not funded. Yeah, you're just citing the report.
At nine out of ten Ukrainian journalists are on these things.
And so what they're what they're realizing now is they're
trying to pick up They say, wait a minute, this
guy Ben's.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Hold on, He's a key node here, so let's go
after him. Let's target him.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Oh, white nationalists, you know, not to dispute the fact that,
by the way, Oh, Mike Ben's happens to be from
a Jewish family, by the way, but you know, we're
not going to mention that, same as Darren Beattie for
that matter. But again, they're trying desperately to grasp for
some kind of purchase here because the maneuver warfare is
too strong for them. They don't have the ability to
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keep up with the breakneck speed that President Trump has established.
And Jade Vance has come out and said, this is
not out of the gate stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
This is the new norm.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Expect this every day for four years. It's not the
first couple weeks of days of thunder. It is an
entire term of days of thunder. The thunder will continue
and so looking at these different pieces, these different verticals,
so usad boom. You take away the resources from the
mainstream media, you take away the enemy's ability.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
To wage war. This is the key.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
The old Republicans remember, they sit there, Oh, we're going
to try to debunk you, we're going to argue with you,
we're going to go back and forth and have this
whole thing and mealy mouthed little words.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
But they're not going to pull the funding.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
Why Because the dirty little secret is a lot of
the Neocon funding was also coming from the insane pots
of money. And the great Data Republican go and follow her,
Go and look at the tool that she's created that
allows you, for the first time ever patriots and citizens
to conduct keyword searches. So you don't have to search
just for specific programs. You can just look up a
(09:54):
specific word at Data Republican and find exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Where your money's going to. And it's not just USA deep.
The way the system is set up, you can look.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
At all federal grants and so take a step back
from that. Now, go look at the Department of Defense
nine hundred billion dollar budget that's over there, with the
money outlay is going all over the place. You got
billions of dollars of equipment. As President Trump has said
again and again, that's left on the battlefield of Afghanistan
with the keys in the helicopter, hand over to the Taliban,
(10:24):
and then they're going to come down on the soldier.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
They're going to come down on the E four.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
They're going to come down on the E for mafia
because oh, you forgot to pay your receipt at Buffalo
Wild Wings with your you know, with your your.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Credit card that was given to you for travel.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
It's a joke.
Speaker 9 (10:40):
It's a scam what they've been running over there for
a long time. Anyone who's been go talk to any
serious person who's been in the military.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Ask anyone who's worn the uniform.
Speaker 9 (10:50):
You know, you know if your hand is on that bible,
that there is tons of waste, fraud, and abuse that
goes on over there. And it isn't even with these outlays,
the boondoggles that go on over there, and the foreign
money spent, the foreign military spending, plus the R and
D budgets and Steve with these with the R and
D over there. I explained this a little bit with
(11:11):
Bratt yesterday. The way the Pentagon structures. They are R
and D projects. So all the money that goes to Boeing,
the money that goes to Lockey. Go as Nicky Haley
about that, I wonder what she's up to right now.
And you're required to have all of these DEI affirmative actions. Okay,
we have these racial quotas for this type of contractor,
and you need the eskimos here, and you need Native
(11:33):
Americans and disabled disabled.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Veterans here, and this one there and that one there.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
And it gets to the point where you're spending so
much money for a project that just doesn't work. Go
look at the LCS project in the Navy. Go look
at the railgun project in the Navy. Failure after failure
after failure, the F thirty five program, all the failures there,
the NB twenty two osprey program, the failures there and
the accident rate are through the roof cut. Why because
(12:01):
we do not put excellence and greatness at the four
for anymore. And that's exactly what Secretary Hagseth has called for.
It absolutely needs to apply to the distribution, the allocation,
and the contracting process of the DD.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
This is, you know, one has got to be a
realignment of and it may be too quick to do this,
but a realignment with hemispheric defense in the defense budget.
But you got to start. You got to start now,
you have to get You have to take a cut
at this. And I want to go back to maneuver
warfare and maneuver warfare. The key principle is do not stop,
just continue on even anything to regroup or make you
(12:37):
It was offset by the enemy being in disarray. I
saw in Stephanie Rule last night. They had three or
four really smart thinkers there, including Ron and Sona from CNBC.
They're absolutely totally confused. They don't know which way to go,
they don't know what to focus on. The starting feel
sorry for themselves. This is when you put more pedal,
no break. You keep going, even if you're going to
(12:58):
have some screw ups, right, if you're going to even
if you think you need to slow down for logistics,
we need more lawyers, we need more of this. The
answer is no, You just keep going. You pop up
in another agency tomorrow, you go into the Pentagon, and
you flood the zone with you fled the zone. You
bring one hundred of those programmers to get all over it. Jack,
I know you've got a bounce. You're taking a Saturday
morning final thoughts, Final thoughts on maneuver warfare and what
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you're seeing so far in doja's assault on the institutions.
Speaker 9 (13:28):
Well, Steve, that's exactly what it's about. It's about continuing
to fire on all fronts. It's about continuing to stupefy
the enemy. It's about treating this as what it is,
a hostile takeover of the American government away from people
who do not have patriotism in their hearts, and replacing
it with people who love this country. It's as simple
(13:49):
as that, recognizing the political opposition for what they are
and treating them by the way the way that they
have treated us for the last twelve years.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Jack Pasobic social media, I know you're going to be
quite active over the weekend. Where do people go?
Speaker 9 (14:07):
And Steve will be up at Jack Pasobic on X
I will not be hosting human events daily next week
or are going to be out on assignment.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
On assignment. That assignment I think was with Secretary Defense
Pete Hegseth part of it correct.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
I'll be as the accompanying Secretary Heggs at the Cross
Europe next week with the NATO summit and the Minister
of Defence meeting in Brussel and Belgium.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Brussels, unbelievable, Jack Pasoviic, you turned out, okay, that naval
thing kind of worked out for you. Naval intelligence officer
Jack Pasobic working on fabulous. We'll take a short commercial break.
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the War America.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Here's your host, Stephen k Back.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Okay, Daza Thunder the big news yesterday they are going
to the Pentagon. Also last night in Axios in the Hill,
they're starting to wake up because he Keem Jeffries sees
the leverage point here. You know, you got the all
the forty eight senators are down at the down at
the breakers in Palm Beach. That always sounds a great signal.
(15:27):
You know, you had these conferences and they're down at
the breakers. I mean, how much is that run a night?
This is the whole mentality. The mentality is like, you know,
the seven fat years are going to continue? What do
I mention this? Because Brad gets me. The CBO has
got a report out. The ink's just getting drying. And
the CBO report has projected. It talks about, you know,
(15:51):
where we stand with the two training dollars, and they
agree that war Room's right is two train dollars deficits.
But then they project out and remember, let's go back
to Scott Best and Scott bestness sectary treasure. What he said,
the key thing is you have to take right now,
we're at six and a half percent. Our deficit is
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six and a half percent of GDP. That is not sustainable. Obviously,
his objective is over a couple of years to get
the three percent of GDP, and that's going to require
a combination of it's a supply side tax got it
is going to require a combination of the tax cuts
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the President Trump at looking for to have growth and
that growth, you know, to get to three three and
a half percent. CBO projects growth for the next ten
years at one point eight percent. At one point eight percent.
In fact, it takes mathematically around three percent to keep
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it full employment. Oh, by the way, the labor statistics
last night, as as e J and TONI went through
on this show, the only one to mention it in
five years. In five years total net job growth, total
net job growth has gone to foreigners, not native born
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US citizens. This is what the anger is. This is
why people are so angry. Or do we have our
White House correspondent hanger a second, let's put a pin
in this. I'm going to come back with a rant
or two in a moment about the numbers getting out
of control. But when I just said, right there about
five years of net job growth to fargn born and
(17:45):
of course the zero hedges all over this shows you
a massive amount of that is not legal immigration here
quote unquote legal immigration here are neither my favorite H
one B visas or uh green cards or whatever you
want to say. Is big a problem of a got
for that big balcome illegal alien labor and what has
that done? That has crushed the economics of African American
(18:05):
and Hispanic citizens in this country. And that's why Donald
Trump is back in office now. The one way to
do this is that we have to, you know, get
rid of the criminals and all that and people. The
million people have deportation notices, but already the embeds in
the media they understand if they can get ahead at
what Homan's trying to do. We're gonna have a bigger
(18:27):
problem trying to get this. They're going to have optics
that they think when for them, and this whole thing's
gonna get slowed down. That's their objective, that's the resistance.
We're going to go to Natalie Winners and Natalie, why
don't we tee up? We've got a clip to play
for you want you tee up? What's going to be
in the clip and then we'll play it?
Speaker 10 (18:42):
Sure Well, the mainstream media and concert with these far
left NGOs are actively working to sabotage President Trump's mass
deportation agenda, and we're seeing this pattern replicate in state
after state, city after city, and raid after raid. Tom
Holman made news yesterday he was speaking on Fox talking
about how Right Out in Colorado had been actively sabotaged
(19:04):
by someone who essentially preemptively leaked information about an ice ray.
They were going to go on to get several trendy
IRAGUA members.
Speaker 11 (19:12):
Instead they were only able to nab one.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
I think this sort of goes back to that infamous
Wall Street Journal article that you were talking about, Steve
Pryor to President Trump being sworn in right where they
were sort of leaking, if not doxing preemptively, not from
White House sources, but from likely these far left activist types,
like I said, working in collaboration with mainstream media outlets.
We can play that clip, but just to contextualize it's
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not just happening in Colorado.
Speaker 11 (19:38):
There's also a big LA Times piece coming.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Out this weekend, which I'd love to just read a
quote from if you want to talk about sabotage.
Speaker 11 (19:45):
Quote.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
Federal law enforcement agents are planning to carry out a
large scale immigration enforcement action in the Los Angeles area
before the end of February, according to an internal government
document reviewed by The Times.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
I've never seen someone to treeson but a buried lead.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
In that article, here's a quote speaking with an official
from ICE. Just because certain information is being given doesn't
mean it's the administration's plan, because they know some agents
are going to be resistant.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
This is what that's stunning. I mean, somebody inside of
DHS or Tom Holmans Group or whatever what you call
the imbeds actually gave the report, gave the plan. This
is what happened in Chicago. They're given the plans to
the media in advance the media publishism, then the rates cancer.
Let's go ahead, if Denver we go to it. Let's
play the clip and we'll bring our White House correspondent
Natalie back in.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Have so many questions.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
First of all, if they're shouting and helping these people
get away with bullhorns, how is that legal to get
help from the people in the streets.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I know they can protest, but that's not what they're doing.
Speaker 12 (20:50):
You're exactly right when they come to the cross line
of impediment, and that's why I'm working very close starting
this morning with the Department of Justice, and where do
they cross sideline impediment so they may find themselves in
a pair handcuffs very soon.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
So working with.
Speaker 12 (21:04):
DOG on that get some legal guidance that I'm not
an attorney, I know what sychops is about, I know
what crossing that line is. But getting DJ back up
on that so something we're looking at right now. Harris.
We're not going to tolerate anymore. This is not a
game when we show these sites. This is a dangerous
job for the men and women of Ice and Board
Patrol and all the dog agencies. To have this type
(21:24):
of interference puts our office at great risk. Not only
are the officers, it puts the aliens at great risk
because anything can happen when we take our eyes off
the goal here. So we're addressing that immediately. Today I'm
addressing op sects today, operations security and how these fleas
are happening. We've already identified how this operation got lead.
I'll deal with that.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Okay, that's homing right there. The New York Post is
reporting that there have been eleven thousand in these rates
so far. Eleven thousand of the bad Own Braves have
been rolled up. I know President Trump. What I'm hearing
coming out of the White House is that he wants
bigger number. Anyone's bigger numbers faster. This is why they
brought GITM online. They have a huge problem with the logistics.
(22:05):
They have a huge problem with money and cash. So
one of the reason they're talking about the two reconciliations,
as we recommended from day one. What are you hearing
over at the White House, Natalie about what the staff
and who are doing a great job over there, But
what is the word of how Christy Noman, Tom Holman
and Steven Middleger to get more support?
Speaker 10 (22:23):
Yeah, well, we certainly need to add a few zeros
to that. The sort of line that they're running with
is that there's just a lack of detention facilities, they
don't have the adequate space.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
I think those.
Speaker 10 (22:32):
Devetails not only but that the Biden regime did, but
sort of the lobbying effort that we've seen being mounted
from the kind of left wing resistance groups, particularly the ACLU.
I think the logical question after that Tom Holman clip
is you know who was behind sabotaging that raid? And,
like I said, in the states, all across the country,
For example, in South Carolina, there's a picture we can
(22:53):
put on screen.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
It's the pink scheduling graphic.
Speaker 10 (22:55):
But groups like the Democratic Socialists for America, in concert
with more mainstream Democratic Party type groups, are actively planning
efforts to sabotage ICE raeds. You can see that. It's
sort of a know your rights campaign. The South Carolina
ag has stepped in and sort of threatened them. But
this is I think sort of a I shall we say,
I think growing sentiment among the left that they can
(23:16):
sort of step in and have agency and get in
the way and block President Trump's deportations. The nation had
a long form peace. Today, I think there's nothing you
can do to stop ICE. Think again, they talk about preparation.
Resistance begins long before ICE agents arrive. Legal organizations and
advocacy groups must aggressively promote know your rights education.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
I was actually walking.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
Around in DC yesterday and I stumbled upon one of
these flyers. It says, do not open for ICE Denver.
You can also put on screen the Deportation Defense Manual
along with sort of like I said, these know your
rights campaigns, but they're pretty aggressive. It's not just saying,
you know, lie to ICE or don't open the door.
They're saying actively, like lie about your immigration status, conceal
(23:59):
your identity if they are knocking at your door, even
if you're a criminal, you don't have to comply.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
Fun fact, the group.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
That created that document on screen has received over sixteen
million dollars in federal grants. So you want to talk
about USAID and everything that's been going on there. So
many of these NGOs are funded by tax payer dollars.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
But moreover, steve the issue too.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
I think here it's not just these far left groups,
it's really the mainstream media that's amplifying right without they're
putting gasoline on the fire. To that point, the FCC,
I believe, is opening an investigation, are at least probing
a radio station all in California in the San Jose
area that actively docks ICE agents their cars, their license
(24:43):
plate that makes the models in a radio segment owned
by Odyssey, which is a George Soros controlled network, just
about a week ago. Luckily, the FCC, like I said,
is stepping in and potentially investigating it.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
But I have another clip.
Speaker 10 (24:56):
I don't know how we're doing on time, but I
would like to play MSNBC highlighting that same group that
created that deportation defense manual, and like I said, that
deportation defense Manuel trains illegals how to avoid ice.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Can we play the MSNBC clip? Do we have time
for it? Let's hold for the let's hold for let's
let's hold for a second. We'll do it. We'll do
it after a break. I think your furniture has arrived, Natalie.
If I hear the knocking on the doors, Natalie says,
I can do a hit this morning. I can do
a hit Smarty. I gotta do it for my home
studio because I got a furniture people should know she's
(25:32):
taking this White House Correspondent thing very seriously. She's moved
back from LA, She's now in DC. Natalie hangover a second,
Do what.
Speaker 11 (25:45):
Furniture delivery than an ice agent?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Exactly? I tell you what. We're gonna play the MSNBC
a clip on the on the other side, Birch Gold,
like I said yesterday, Dave Bratt was able to put
up the initial part of this of the CBO, that's
Congressional Budget Office. And look, the Congressional Budget Office's numbers
are never actually we disagree. They have a sing dynamics scoring,
(26:11):
a non dynamic scoring, so that maybe on the margins
some differences. Bottom line by twenty thirty five, fifty two
trillion dollars in debt two trillion dollars a year deficits
in perpetuity essentially what they're saying. And obviously that is
something we're going to fight where you got to fight it.
March fourteenth, the clock is ticking, and Johnson in this
(26:33):
crowd know that he came Jeffery's is going to try
to block it. So this is why we get a
first cut, first cut of USAID, first cut of what
DOJE is found first cut, even though at the Pentagon.
Because capital markets are going to be quite turbulent now
more than ever. You need to go find out why
gold has been a hedge for five thousand years of
financial turbuence. A little pattern recognition there, birch gold dot
(26:55):
com slash band at the end of the dollar Empire,
the latest free installment modern monetary theory.
Speaker 13 (27:01):
From two point zero is a different beast than Trump
one point zho. But people know their rights now more
than ever, and we will build towns and cities.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
We will build fortresses of resistance.
Speaker 13 (27:10):
So I'm going to paint the scene. Garden is in
her home. She doesn't have a keyhole, but she does
have a window. The door does have a lock, and
there is nobody in the home that has a deportation order.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
So dene tech de.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
Wet and the who's sending a persona.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Juanas Natalie Winners rejoins us. The furniture arrived, Natalie, thanks
for thanks for It's a lot tougher doing from the
home studio than the White House, isn't I see? Your
new gig is is much easier getting a front. Many
(28:00):
mean girls over there, as many mean girls over there,
picking on you. What are we seeing right here? I
don't have a problem if people are getting schooled. I
have a problem if they're interfering with raids. I also
have a problem with if you're an illegal alien, exactly
what your rights packages are. Is MSNBC trying to stir
this up, or as the media being actually to actually
(28:23):
get in the way of law enforcement. We know that
Pritzker and Illinois and Johnson, and so for me, instead
of going there and getting those people's faces, I'd go
start arresting officials. California just last night, your beloved California
passed fifty million dollars principally to thwart federal officials from
(28:43):
coming in to actually do ice raids and actually remove
illegal alien criminals and illegal aliens. And my point is that, hey, Palisades,
suck on this. You shouldn't get a penny until that
law is rescinded and that California is reverse sanctuary cities
and working with federal officials to remove illegal alien evaders.
Speaker 10 (29:03):
Ma'am your thoughts, well, that mindset shows the problem right there.
I mean, since President Trump had won the election, Gavin
Newsom had been plotting, like you said, fifty million for
their state DOJ I believe half of it being itemized
to actually block the deportations, the other half to sort
of try to be a guidebook and sort of a
blueprint for other states to resist the Trump agenda.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
But Steve, I think there's.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
Another layer to it as well, that a lot of
these groups that are involved in the resistance efforts are
receiving taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Obviously, DHS has slow rolled and frozen some of the
taxpayer funds that are going to these entities, but they
still have sizeable war chests, not just from the four
years of the Biden regime. But you can see that
group in particular, Steve, and I think it's important to note,
right the first wave of deportations, at least as sort
of messaged by the Trump White House and the media,
has been we're just going after the criminals. Yes, obviously
(29:56):
we need to expand that, but any deportation efforts that
these groups are trying to block right now, they're trying
to block the deportations of criminal, illegal aliens.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Right.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
And like I said, the information that we flashed on screen,
this is very detailed in terms of questions and statements
and answers.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
You can see their role play. What ice it comes
to your door. It's extremely well funded.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yeah, no, this is not just giving me information. That's
training right there. There's no doubt about it. Natalie. We'll
let you go about your chores on a Saturday morning. Fabulous.
A couple of weeks at the White House as a correspondent,
breaking all kind of news and particularly looking at the
response of Days of Thunder's. If you get a chance,
make sure you look at the Stephanie Rule last night,
because these are broken people. They don't have resilience. They
(30:44):
have nowhere. They've always controlled the levers of institutional power,
and once you take that, once you strip it away
from them, they have absolutely nothing standard, including making an
argument to the American people why President Trump should be
slowed down. He's not going to be slowed down. Natalie.
Your social media so people can get you over the weekend.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Yes, the Emperor has no clothes. Natalie g enterns on
all social media platforms.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Thank you for having me on, Steve, Natalie, Thanks see
you on Monday. Natalie Winners, our White House correspondent. Fascinating
a couple of weeks. Very honored to be here, can
we get can we get is the shot good? Is
the shot good?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right there?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
If we brought that shot there we go right there,
the victim is identified from we're sitting here at Harvard.
We got Chemo Gandel student over at Harvard Law School? Right, yes,
Why why are you so brave to come on the
ward room on a Saturday morning? Chemo? Tell me? Tell
me at Harvard Law What do you study? And what
your are you? And so we're going to dos chemo
(31:42):
here in television? And where do you come from? Had
you end up at Harvard? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
So I'm a three al at Harvard kind of ended
up there because I was working three L three L
third year, third year law school. Yeah, about to graduate,
paper Chase, that's first year law, yes, correct, So third
year you're more and you.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
You've already thrown up in the when you've been cold
called the first time? Yeah, all the nerves.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah, cold calling, you know, not too much of
a big deal in my opinion. You know, from a
very practical standpoint, it's not grated usually with the exception
of a few professors. So does it matter? I think
it's mostly a pride thing. They're trying to tear down
students so they can build them back up. It's almost
like a military exercise Core or Blake boot Camp or precisely.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Is Paperchase accurate? I mean, and not the stuff about
the daughter and everything like that, but it is the
u Is Houseman's uh amazing professor, which he won the
Academy Award for. Is that was Kingsbury King?
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Is that an accurate portrayal?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I think it is an accurate portrayal. You know, I
can't go into specifics because Harvard has a non attribution policy,
but yes, I do think it's accurate, and I think
that's actually a good thing. I think we need to
rub out the snowflakes from the wall. People need to
actually understand what they're talking about and be able to
articulate the case law and if they can't, they should.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Get And that's contract contract law, right, correct, And contract
law is the foundation of kind of everything at Harvard.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Well, that's an edgy opinion. Some people
think towards is the basis of law. I do agree,
though most law, especially in the modern sense, is adjudicated
through contract.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Well, tell me about your experience here and particularly being
a conservative, and people tell me you're actually you're actually
pretty maga. Yeah, oh, I'm very big maga at at Harvard.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Well, I always openly talk about my opinions, and most
my colleagues are, you know, they're very cordial about it,
or they just don't have the willpower to confront me
on it. You know, a lot on the left they're
spiritually weak. They don't have any direction. That's kind of
the essence of existentialism, right, you have to define an
all for yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
What do you mean spiritually weak?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, they have no direct opinions about the meaning of life.
They're they're just kind of aimless. And that is one
problem that confronts a postmodern a i'd call a religious
Sometimes they dwelve into paganistic or dudo religious sentiments, but
they have no actual direction in a higher good, which
(34:04):
is what the natural law calls us to.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
How did you get into Harvard? Did they have the
screening process here broken down? Seriously?
Speaker 12 (34:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
No, I was very Actually, yeah, I was very upfront
about what I believed. I've never tried to hide it.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
You know, you can look at my name round here
with security.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
No, I don't, but maybe I should. Yeah, I mean,
at the end of the day, a lot of these
people they're either decent in that they are just misled
or they're just spiritually weak and they don't confront you.
And that's the entire reason we're seeing such a massive
shift in the law, especially towards artificial intelligence, is it's
able to provide articulated answers and you don't have to
(34:44):
pay these people's billables, which are ridiculous twelve hundred dollars
an hour for somebody to read a case. That's what
we're looking at, and that's why the transformation's begun.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Hangover a second, because you know we're the home of
the Luddites, where the anti transhumanists. What do you mean
about I keep telling people, Hey, it's not going to
be blue collar jobs. The first wave is going to
be administrative, managerial in mid tech. Is one of the many,
many reasons I'm so against H one B visus. But
give your experience as a person Harvard Law, a third year,
(35:14):
you're looking to go into the job market, talk to
me about artificial intelligence, even for a guy in your situation.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, yeah, so great question. In fact, I love the
show's take on that exit confronts kind of the incidental
versus intrinsic problem with artificial intelligence. I think what you've
pointed out is a lot of the current companies that
control the large language models practice objectively evil standards. So
they're adamantly against the president, they're adamantly opposed to the
(35:41):
natural law, and they will actively censor those opinions. Now
they've rolled it back a bit simply because the positions
of power have changed. But you could bet that if
Kamala Harris won the presidency, we would see much stronger
security features with large language models like open AI with
Sam Altman, and it's kind of a sad world we
live in.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
A second, explain that. I just want to make sure
the audience understands is hit rewind and give me that again. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So a lot of these large language models have security
features built into them, either through reinforcement training or actually
how one and oh three works with open A either
different models is they actually re prompt it. So when
your call goes in your query, right, you type something
into the chatbot, they will actually re prompt it on
(36:28):
their end, and that allows them to give a safe answer.
It's also how when you ask chat EBT something it'll
often say, sorry, I can't give you an answer for that.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
This is how if you type in on on deep
seek uh and talk about tanem and square, it comes
up and gives you some it's a it's a it's
a it's a beautiful day on for June and in Beijing.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Correctly, Yeah, no, exactly, deep seek. It's kind of a
scary world where Mark Zuckerberg is kind of our height
of open sourced software for large language models.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Mark Zuckerberg, I might add, came was right over here
in the houses what are called dorms. What the dorms
are called here at Harvard. Is his ethical and moral
training came from Harvard, did it not, sir?
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
It definitely, well, at least the undergrad school. I like
to think at the law school we have some higher
standards of ethics. Maybe not though actually we've seen a
lot of terrible things come out of that school as well,
but also great things. And so what I think when
it comes down to ethics, right, the problem with the
intelligentsia in this country is that they are generally existentially led.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And I do think our generations because does that mean
existentially led?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
They see as a function of their pride. They try
to define the world in their image, which is what
you talked about these transhumanists, right. Transhumanism is the essence
of pride because it's an attempt to reconstruct God's world
in your own image. It's an attempt to be God.
And that's really been the epitome of postmodern Western ide,
(38:00):
which is despite God. This is very different from what
we might see in the East, you know, even if
you go back as far as Confucius as analeks, right,
it's more about order and domination and habitual conduct. This
is very different from what we see in the West,
and it's part of what makes the West great, but
it's also part of what makes the West so susceptible
to these demonic influences.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Do you have in Harvard? Do you have either the
coffee shops or in the dorms or the housing units,
or in the classrooms. Do you have these type of debates,
open debates about this? Can you have that? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I try to talk to my classmates all the time
about demonic influence and the judiciary. But that's a joke.
That's a joke. I'm not actually claiming my opponents believe that.
But yeah, we have these debates all the time, and
it's if you're just upfront with people, I think they
respect that. We now live in a world with so
much noise, partially created by AI, partially created just by
(38:51):
social media, that people really respect honesty and so when
you're honest and you're polite and you're cordial to people,
you can change opinions.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Chimo is we go through days of thunder, and we
had the Stephanie rule at the beginning of about the
guys last night are totally shattered. It looks like they're depending.
In fact, half the show is talking about the courts,
and you have federal judges. Yesterday includes some we know
very well, some Trump appointees of people associated the show
worked on their confirmation actually start to slow down the process.
(39:22):
What's your takeaway from that?
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Yeah, so, without diving into the cases themselves, there's this
general sentiment amongst the intelligentsia to slow things down, and
there's some reason for that.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Part of its pride, part of it is a belief
that you're so important it needs to go through your
own review. Part of that is also just their ideology.
Because the intelligentsia is so obsessed with looking at tiny,
small details. They forget to look at the larger picture.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Chemo, any social med and we're going to have you
back on and we'll roll some other guests that were
in Harvard Square today. So we've got some great conference
going on. Salient Magazine is helping one of the people
helping you put this on. We'll talk about the magazine
a little more in the second hour. Any social media uh.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
That you have, Yeah, look me up on LinkedIn or Twitter, Chemo, underscore, gandal,
you can find me anywhere. And I'm actively posting on
the conservative movement and artificial intelligence.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
So expect to be swamped today after Media Matters puts
his clip up in a little while.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I love it. Love to talk to them too.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
We love warriors, We love warriors. Big article in the
Hill newspaper this morning, what is about President Trump's tariffs
and specifically about active pharmaceutical ingredients and generics. We've talked
a couple three times about this on this show. They're
gonna be hit with tariffs, so as it. That's okay,
(40:43):
kem to the end. That's that's fine. We're good. No, no, no,
we're good. We're good. Natalie had last segment. My producer
just gave Chemo the hook Jace Medical. Maybe I'll finish
this the next segment short break back in a moment.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Or room.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Here's your host, Stephen k Back. Okay, welcome back. Honored
to be with Professor Amy Wax. By the I'm telling
our producer he cannot give her the hook. She's here
for the whole segment. Back off there, Harry, We're here
in Harvard Square. Professor Amy wax I'm a huge fan
and have wanted to do this for so long. Talk
(41:25):
to me. First off, why are you here at a
conference talking to young students at Harvard today?
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Well, because what's more important than young people to the
future of our country? And I see an academia complete
indifference to that future, to young people, to responsibilities towards
those young people, to expose them to the truth, to reality.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
However unpleasant that might be.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
I see dereliction in that duty, and more broadly, as
a concernrivative. I believe in Edmund Burke's covenant, which is
that because we have inherited wonderful, lasting, valuable institutions from
the past and from the struggles and sacrifices, of the past.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
We have a duty to preserve, protect and defend them,
and then pass them on to the next generation victim.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
We owe as much to those that came before us
as we owe to future generations, and we honor that
by passing on these institutions in better shape of making
sure we pass them on with their original.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Intent precisely, precisely.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
And I take that United States of America, we.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Absolutely are not What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (42:43):
Well, first of all, we are degrading and debasing the
institutions of Western civilization, actively denigrating them and running them down.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I think in many ways that are just plain false.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
And we are teaching our children and our young people
that what we enjoy every day, the privileges and the
benefits that we enjoy every day, are somehow ill gotten gains.
They are the product of exploitation and persecution and racism
and all of these evil forces.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And that is a lie.
Speaker 8 (43:25):
So we shouldn't be doing that because it causes them
to have a heedless attitude towards all of the goods
that they have inherited.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
So I think that's very wrong.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Secondly, I see in my fellow academics an unwillingness to
go up against the powers that be and some of
their destructive and nefarious ideas and programs like DEI, which
denigrates the meritocracy, which creates a lacks atmosphere that results
(44:01):
in incompetence, which discriminates against white males, which valorizes identity,
politics and diversity over and above other important values. And
they won't speak up about it, even though many of
them behind closed doors have their doubts and don't even
(44:21):
support and approve of this kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
So it's a kind of cowardice.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
And of course who suffers from that cowardice the people
who are coming after us.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Hey a second, you've been in academia at top universities
niver Niversity Virginia, University of Pennsylvania for thirty some years.
How did this happen? Those are two of the leading
institutions in this country founded by some of the great
you know, Jomas Jefferson at UVA, the University of Pennsylvania,
the fantastic people in Pennsylvania that formed that in Philadelphia.
(44:54):
How did these two leading institutions deteriorate so badly?
Speaker 8 (44:58):
Well, I mean it happened, and as Hemingway says then suddenly,
and it's because of that the far left has created
a stronghold in these institutions, and it has drawn up
the ladders and consolidated its power and the belief and
that belief system is very far removed from most ordinary people,
(45:22):
and of course the interests of those ordinary people. Although
the elites profess to care about them, they don't really
care about me.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
About that, they don't care. That's all phony.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
I think it's largely phony. You can just look around
you in Cambridge and see this sort of posh, refined,
beautiful place that elite people have created for themselves. Go
thirty miles to the west of Philadelphia outside my home,
and you'll see squalored, decrepitude, lack of law and order,
(45:56):
a paucity of nice things, and everybody he wants nice things.
But I think it's more than that. It's an ideology
that the left has cultivated in these universities. And in
the debate last night that the Salient held, one of
the students said it well.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
He said, the two.
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Pillars of the far left are number one, self fashioning.
We reject all obligations and duties that are unchosen.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
We will choose and we will create ourselves. We shall
be as gods.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
Right.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
And secondly, this obsession with equality of outcome, which of
course is the centerpiece of what we know as woke.
And we will, by hook and by crook force people
to accept that ideology and to live that ideology while
we largely exempt ourselves from it. And here I'm going
(46:49):
to cite Charles Murray in Coming Apart, which is a
brilliant and magisterial book. He has shown how the elites
have separated themselves from the rest of society to twenty
percent geographically, culturally, educationally.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
In where they live very important.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
They lived in the fastness of their little whitetopias while
they tout diversity for everybody else. So there's a lot
of double standards and duplicity here, which the masses understand.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
We have about ninety seconds any recommendations to President Trump
in his days of thunder, if you've seen the direction
where he's headed, what would you tell the president if
he was here this morning?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Defund academia.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
We have Title six of the Civil Rights Act, which
makes the receipt of federal funds in private institutions like
my own contingent on obeying the law, not discriminating, obeying
the civil rights laws. Those laws are violated every day
in every way, and Trump would have ample justification to
(47:59):
cut off those into institutions and ask them to prove
that they deserve all this money. Pen gets nine hundred
plus million dollars a year in loans and grants, in
other programmatic funding. They are rich enough to fund themselves
until they prove that they are obeying the law.
Speaker 6 (48:20):
Defund them. That's the mother's milk of these of these
posh universities. Defund them, play hardball, make them start focusing
on Western civilization.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Nothing else will get their attention.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
Professor Amy Wax, We're gonna take, We're gonna leave with
the right stuff from the classic movie by Philip Kaufman.
I think Professor Amy Wax has got the right stuff,
and she knows it when she sees it. Short commercial
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