We Need A New Movement! | DATA PROVES IT w/ Professor Penn & Mark Mitchell | EP244 - Real America’s Voice

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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so much in race and religious, in language and Custer.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
It is a big idea a new world order.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, I know they're lying. They tricked me once, but
they're not going to trick me twice. The time is
now Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. David Pen,

(00:37):
your host, glad to be with you as always for
episode number two forty four, coming to you on this
Tuesday night, October seventh, seven thirty pm Central Standard Time,
without much delay or ado. I want to bring on
as a guest, you know, someone I'm very happy and

(00:57):
honored to have on the show. Mister Mark Mitchell, who
is I think your proper proper title is chief Polster.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah? Head Pollster, Chief operating Office. There's only four people
in the shop, so just take your pick and it'll
probably stick.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You know what, a sledgehammer. That's a lot of oomph,
you know, I like that for a business model. That's
a lot of bang for the buck. Four people in
the shop. This is Mark Mitchell from the very renowned
Rasmussen Polling, who has very generously agreed to share his
time with us today and Mark, this is this is

(01:34):
how you do politics. Okay. Now Mark doesn't know me.
This is our first meeting, and I was just saying
to him. We had about five minutes to meet each
other before the cameras started rolling, so to speak. And
what I was trying to say to Mark, and when
I'm saying to this audience, you know, I would love
to have ten million followers. I'd love to be like

(01:56):
Connor McGregor. Wouldn't that be cool? But we all you
you are playing a part in this great effort that
we're putting forth to save our republic, to save our freedom.
And this is a political action community, Mark, we are
building something here. We have a national lot, in fact international.

(02:19):
I got followers in Australia, Somalia, England, all over the world.
And I tell all these people, whatever we're doing here
in Minnesota, it works everywhere in the world. And the
reason it's not working is because we the people are
not doing the work. All we have to do is
do the work. So what I'm trying to do here
in Minnesota is find that magic motivating speech, or aggregate

(02:46):
the right candidates, or find the right formula to get
enough people out into the streets and we don't need everybody,
We just need the spartans. I'm just looking for three hundred.
If I have three hundred spartans, I believe that we
can take Minnesota from blue to rat And I you know,

(03:09):
I don't even like the colors. I'm gonna say, from
tyranny to freedom. And it's so great of you to
come on. Could you please share with this community who
you are, a little bit of your personal history. I'd
like to know myself and help people understand what polling

(03:30):
companies do, because I think there's a lot of misunderstandings
about that and you could clear that up for us.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Sure, And what you're saying resonates with me. For sure.
We would not have a Republic if a couple of
crazy Massachusetts militia men didn't take shots at the at
the British. You know, it wasn't about the Declaration of
Independence that came a lot later. So yeah, often a
few people really move mountains. And we're in a situation also,
I think where everybody's waking up to the fact that

(03:59):
the republic Party's not going to fix this. There is
no plan, and it's time for all hands on deck.
But I'm a political polster, and that means I'm a
professional question asker. So I just ask people questions, but
I make sure that I get a good random sample
of people and then I do a little bit of
math and then report on what they say. And that's
really it. But I guess it's dangerous because we've had

(04:22):
clients pull we've had advertisers shut down, we've hit we've
been swatted three times and hacked, and we got put
on the CIA's Global Engagement Center list of the most
dangerous Twitter accounts, and so that's kind of a problem.
But what it turns out is that, uh, you know,
when there's peak lying and gaslighting going on, what America

(04:44):
thinks is a pretty important political football, and it turns
out that they will lie a lot in order to
try to manipulate that. And so most of the mainstream
or academic pollsters are completely corrupt, and they, you know,
they put out things this isn't like to Venezuela levels
of corruption. They put out things that are just close enough,

(05:05):
just enough where people are like, well, maybe that is
what the answer is, but no, it's not. And they
lie frequently in very very disingenuous ways. Like, for instance,
people will say, well, the pollsters weren't off that much
this time. Well, they were a couple of points to
the left of me at the end, just enough to
put out a battleground map that showed Kamala Harris winning.

(05:28):
That's what every single mainstream polster put out, a map
that showed Kamala Harris winning, just by bit, but just enough.
But nobody remembers in September when they were seven, eight,
nine points to the left of me, because they were
trying to conduct the psychological operation. So you have an
entrenched establishment that has perfected a ten trillion dollar grift
or whatever it is, and they will not give up

(05:50):
power and they will use every tool in their toolbox,
including the Republicans. So that's really where we're at. I'm independent,
which means that neither political party pays to try to
get me to help them win, and I'm in it
for the voter. And that's one of the things that
we do that's unique. So a lot of times the
polsters will do election prediction. They'll say, oh, who's going

(06:13):
to win in the fall, And then if they're a
better polster, they'll say, oh, let's see what the major
issues are, oh, inflations the number one issue, legal immigrations
the number two issue. And then maybe, just maybe they'll say,
all right, well, who's leading on the issue of legal immigration,
And they'll say something like, oh, Donald Trump by five
points because it's his issue, but people don't trust him

(06:35):
on prices, or oh, it's really more about abortion rights. Well,
what we'll ask is that no, sixty four percent approve
of mass deportations. Americans would support a one hundred percent
deportation candidate versus one hundred percent amnesty candidate by twenty points. No,
seventy two percent think it's important to prevent legal aliens
from getting any federal benefits. No, nobody uses that word

(06:58):
undocumented immigrant over and over and over again. We prove
that it's like well, fundamentally and deeper beyond this, like
red versus Blue, Republican versus Democrat political paradigm. Most Americans
are mad, upset, and want accountability for the absolute corruption
and tyranny that's been forced down their throats, and Republicans

(07:21):
don't even take advantage of that message. I have like
a sum total of zero offices of the lawmakers who
subscribe to my platform, asked me for polls want me
to run anything. So that's kind of weird where it's
like I'm one of the people out there that's doing
the most to try and have the voices of voters heard,
and yet everybody wants us to shut up, including Republicans.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well that's really not a surprise to me. And I
just have to tell you a little bit of my
own history because we're getting to meet each other. And
for those of you that are watching and want to
see how politics works, it's peer to peer. Mark and
I have connected now on acts, We're going to follow
each other's posts. We'll probably respond to each other. You know,

(08:05):
it doesn't always work. Women never talk again. Mark might
come back regularly regularly on the show. You have to
you have to try every day with everybody to build
a political constituency. As if you are a candidate, you
have to build your own following. That's how we build

(08:27):
a network. As Mark said, all hands on deck. And
before I tell you a little bit about what we're
doing here in Minnesota, why I'm asking for your help.
When you got on that CIA list, how did you
find out about that?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
We didn't find out about it until the Twitter files.
So this was the FBI was coordinating with Twitter to
suppress uncomfortable voices of misinformation. And they have a sock
puppet called the Global Engagement Center that does you know.
The way they do this is they create NGOs that
create a patina of authority, you know, the Southern Poverty

(09:03):
Law Center of the ADL, like that kind of thing
where they say, oh, this is group and we fund it,
and they're the authority on who's dangerous. And then they
use that fake authority in order to enforce a narrative
everywhere in the media. And so that's what happened. We
were number forty two. We had really good company on
that list, you know, Emerald Robinson, Mike Flynn, Donald Trump himself.

(09:26):
They tried to shut down the voice of the present.
And all we did is just report objectively on actual
evidence in cases that were happening about election integrity and
the cardinal sin of just asking Americans, well, how did
you feel after getting that COVID vaccine and do you
think it's safe or not? And that was too much.

(09:47):
That was too much for them because twenty five percent
of advertising on all news networks is pharmaceutical industry, including
Fox News. So it's all a huge, rotted Ponzi scheme,
this kleptocracy that Americans have to dismantle, and there the
people in charge are not going to do it. And
so when I say all hands on deck, I think

(10:09):
everybody's looking around and saying, well, look at the Trump administration.
He's doing a lot of good things. But I think
it's also going to become clear soon in a matter
of maybe months, that he's not going to be able
to fix all this stuff, and that the problems go way, way,
way deeper than anybody acknowledges. And so we've had a
really good run, you know, this post World War two
superpower status. It's given us a lot of large s

(10:33):
and a really comfortable country in which to raise our kids,
and we've squandered it. We've allowed it to be stolen,
and it's going to take a political movement to claw
it back. And I'm trying to figure out what that
political movement looks like. But it's probably not your granddaddy's
Republican Party Like that's I think that we can all
acknowledge that's probably dead well.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
That that is something I can certainly resonate with. And
I really like the way you frame that we the
people enjoyed the large jests of the post World War
two Democrat liberal order, and we've allowed in the convenience
and safety that has been granted us to have our freedoms.

(11:15):
He wrote it, and to allull of this class, what
you call kleptocrats, which I think is great. Call them
kleptocrats is fantastic. You know here in Minnesota. And I
don't know how close you're following Minnesota. Now, I I've
been involved politically, and we were talking about just before
we went on there, and my audience knows this. I

(11:36):
come from an academic family, and I was raised to
enter the academy and train went to an East Coast school.
You know, I'm you know, I'm really good at taking tests.
And I've come to that conclusion. In fact, I just
had a lawyer, uh, and she might listen to this,
and I have to be careful because you know, I'm
using her in it, because I'm in I'm in the

(11:56):
I'm in the battlefield. And she sent me a letter
because I review everything every lawyer writes, otherwise I lose
the case, right, And I read what she wrote and
I said to myself, Wow, I'm going to have to
rewrite this. Now, this doesn't mean that this lawyer is dumb.
It doesn't mean that she's too busy. It means that

(12:18):
I am personally responsible for my own legal outcomes. And
you know, I'm self governing. So I rewrote the letter.
And I guess my point in this is each individual
citizen you're looking for that formula of how to get
this movement going to unseat these kleptocrats. And you said

(12:41):
something in a kind of a very hidden way. You know,
after the midterms, Donald Trump's got even if the Republicans
maintained control of the House, he's got big. He's done.
I mean, he's going to be done, and we're going
to watch the Republican Party. I predict, and I'm you know,
being a fortune teller is not my thing. I'm not
big unfortune telling, but I predict if past historical processes

(13:05):
are repeated, the Republican Party is going to turn on
him after that midterm election because he's going to be
a lame duck president. And what Mark is saying is, Hey,
this group of people in the Republican Party are not
coming to our rescue. And why do I know that, Well,
I'm going to tell you in twenty twenty, after a

(13:27):
lifetime of being tangentially involved in Minnesota politics but very
involved internationally and nationally, after that election, I said, whoa
wait a second, that math in Georgia doesn't work. I
got a serious problem with this, and I jumped into
action and I joined the Republican Party in Minnesota. And

(13:48):
it was one of the most naive things I've ever done,
because if you look at my passport, I've been all
over the world. I know the game. But somehow in
my childlike you know, christ says, have a childlike heart,
and that's how I came into the Republican Party with
a childlike heart. And it took me about two years

(14:10):
to realize these were not children I was dealing with.
These were pernicious agents that had an agenda that lied
when they spoke a lot of them. And we have
in Minnesota this about a fifty to fifty split now
between what people call the rhinos or every state is different.
We have Minnesota nice you know, nice people. They don't

(14:31):
like swearing every you know, hey, hey, you know, if
somebody wants to have a transgender surgery and they're my neighbor,
that's none of my business. You know, we're Minnesota nice.
We're going to accept everything. We're nice. We're nice people.
And what has happened here is in that niceness, the
Republican Party has collaborated with the communists in our state.
Is the model of kleptocracy and is actually the incubator

(14:56):
of leftism. And I don't know how close you're following it,
but we're up to an alleged about six point five
billion dollars of fraud since the last Waltz election, and
the US Attorney is in here, you know, indicting people
wholesale we had, we have all this fraud. A lot
of it is focused in the Uh. You know, a

(15:17):
lot of the investigation right now is focused in the
Somali immigrant community, which they're American citizens. They came here
and got citizenship. And they actually have a Somali candidate
for mayor in Minneapolis who is a Democrat socialist. The
Democrats socialists have basically taken over the Minneapolis Democrat Party.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
We've got Republicans here running for governor that when they talk,
they lie, And you know, I'm trying to call this out.
So I joined the party. I moved up pretty quick
because I'm pretty good at stuff, and I had my
legs cut out from underneath me. And why was that?
And I'm going to tell every one of you listening
there isn't it was is. It's not about your ideas,

(16:02):
it's not about necessarily your money. These two things matter.
It's really about who shows up to vote at the
local level in the party, in the primaries, at the conventions,
and in the election. And you know, I didn't have
the constituency built up to hold my ground in the

(16:24):
Republican Party. But you're absolutely right. I agree with you
wholeheartedly that citizens like me, like you, you, you who
are listening here, we have to get involved in politics.
And that's what if I hear you're right, Mark, that's
what you're saying. What's the formula for getting the citizens
off the couch and end of the game? Did I

(16:46):
understand you correctly?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, unfortunately, the formula is pain, uh, which might not
be a message many people want to hear. But I'm
not a student of history, but I think we're following
historic patterns where there's an ebb and flow of societal
order that's caused by people reforming strong value based and
cohesive institutions after a major crisis, and it's been a

(17:12):
long time since we've had one of those, and so
those institutions have been eroded. And I'll add another layer.
There's this term in Silicon Valley that's been coined that
I won't use the term because it's not nice, but
it's called in crapification. And this idea that well, okay,
you have a product that was made by a team

(17:33):
that wants to create a great customer experience. They want
to serve their customer, but over time it becomes corrupted
by profit interests and they say, well, where can we
cut corners, How can we squeeze the user? We need
to ring out every last cent, and then it ruins
the customer experience. But the customer is locked in and
committed and has no other way to go. And that

(17:55):
is basically layer that on top of the fourth turning
and I think that's where we are idle and crapification.
And they've rung literally every cent that they can. One
of the measures that I track of wealth inequality is
five times worse than it was twenty years ago. And
that's like, okay, so you know in this area era

(18:16):
of like Okay, Now we have kleptocrats that work together
for bipartisan crisis recovery bills, and we have Bernaki Bucks
raining money down on all these large corporations that have
socialized losses. It's created a situation where now eighteen to
twenty nine year olds are their economic future is very bleak.
They are a deeply, deeply messed up cohort of individuals

(18:39):
and quite frankly, they don't care about or want to
hear about conservatism, like those ideas have failed them. They
don't think that capitalism works because they haven't seen an
actual free market capitalist system. And so you talk about
the Republican Party, Well, the Republican Party exists to win
elections subject to a certain set of constraints, and those

(18:59):
constrains are provided by the donor class and the people
who provide the Republican Party with money. Those people in
the donor class are ubiquitously invested in maintaining the status quo,
the modern rent seeking, a corporate basically oligarchy. I don't
know what else to call it, This massive global homo

(19:22):
oligarchy of corporations that have embedded themselves in Capitol Hill.
That's who has purchased the Senators, you can see it,
or the way they question people like RFK. Anytime he
gets a little bit too close to the pharmaceutical industry,
the Republicans will come after him. And like you said,
it's going to happen soon, this fight for the Republican

(19:44):
Party the future because Donald Trump is going to increasingly
increasingly lose political capital. And Donald Trump defined MAGA. He's
the one that made the MAGA agenda. But what does
it mean in a world where Donald Trump's not there. Well,
every cent in the Republican Party that's coming from the
Koch Brothers, the Club for Growth, the Chamber of Commerce,
every cent wants to maintain the H one B scam

(20:08):
and flood the country with illgal aliens and provide amnesty
and maintain the wealth and power of all these corporations.
And those are the people that back like literally everybody,
literally everybody. And you know it happens at a softer
level at the deck plates, right, It doesn't feel like
that when you go and talk to your local county
Republican people. But the money comes down from unhigh and

(20:31):
they know what the money wants, and the money just
wants people to talk like Mitt Romney, and that's fine.
You can get your sixty two million people, well a
lot of them are dying. Maybe you'll get fifty eight
million people who will vote for Mitt Romney again. But
in our polling, only fifty eight percent of Trump's support
came from Republicans, and Republican Party has not done anything

(20:53):
to convert. And that's important in your state too, because
Trump outperformed Republicans. And when I poll states like your,
I see the same pattern over and over and over again,
which is like, okay, Actually, Tim Waltz does have a
better favorability rating than Trump by a lot, but they
still voted for Trump more than you would expect, Like
Trump came really close to Minnesota, and then you see

(21:14):
how they pull your average Republican or any person who's
not Trump, and that person trails Trump by ten to
fifteen points. And then you look at the party favorability
and everybody hates the Republican Party and that's because it's
still talking like this whole idea of trickle down economy,
like it doesn't work. They took all that tax savings
and offshored all of their labor, you know what I mean,

(21:37):
Like the Americans did not benefit from that at all.
And I think you have a formerly great manufacturing base
in your state. I'm sure that that's really cut people deep.
The middle class has been carved out, and so they
need again. I think it just comes back to pain.
A eighteen to twenty nine year old unemployment rate and
my polling is seventeen percent. Well, if we have hard landing,

(22:00):
that goes to twenty five percent and then all of
a sudden, I guess cities are burning. So I don't know.
It's like, what what does it take for any of
the parties to really well, Well, here's the problem. It's
like the Democrat Party kind of sucks right now. They
have bad national leadership, They support ubiquitously, their core dogma
is insane, and only about thirty to forty percent of

(22:22):
the population supports it. But they're winning message right now
is democratic socialism That is going to win increasingly as
these generations age into political power. And so what's the
response to that? How do we stay like a liberal
free market, a Christian based morality system And nobody's fighting

(22:46):
for that at all except for the people.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Well, you know that that's such a great segue in
a circle back to Minnesota, because you know Minnesotans in
this audience, there's a lot of republic Can Party delegates
that listen to this podcast. And as I was trying
to say, I'd love to have ten million followers. But
my personal mission is to organize Minnesota and make an

(23:11):
effective Republican community. And I don't mean Republican Party community.
I mean a community of citizens that believe in the
philosophy of Republicanism, as you said, a liberal political philosophy
of free markets, the protection of minority rights, self governance, citizens, sovereigns.
You know what formed this country. You talked about the

(23:33):
a couple of guys that winged off, you know, fired
off some shots at the British on the bridge. But
the people that wrote those documents were philosophers. They were
warrior priests that understood the philosophical history of the world.
And we're trying to operationalize a political structure that maximize

(23:55):
human well being, human freedom. And those people believe that
freedom and wealth went together like hand in glove. Well,
these democratic socialists don't believe that. They believe that we
are going to sacrifice freedom for well being. They have
a different model. And here in Minnesota, and we're going

(24:17):
to talk about this on Thursday Nights podcast. Just to
give a little appetizer, I'm going to talk Thursday about
political strategy for an hour and a half. There was
just a very widely viewed and you'd find it interesting. Actually,
it's called Precarious State. You can find it on YouTube
and rumble Precarious State. It's an hour long documentary that

(24:42):
was filmed by a former local news anchor, a man
named Rick Cupchella who's going into his own private media
business now. And it was run on KSTP, which is
the local ABC affiliate owned by Hubbard Broadcasting. When you
talk about those oligarchs that run the world, this is
Stanley Hubbard's company, multi billionaire media empire all over the country.

(25:08):
And you know they're allegedly to the right of whoever's
to the left of them. But I'm going to tell
you that, you know, they have been not supportive of
Donald Trump or the Citizens Movement or the America First
Is however we would call that. But if you watch this,
which we're going to talk about a Thursday, they've they've

(25:32):
thrown up their hands. They're terrified because the Democrat Party
here in Minnesota. Minnesota is the Petri Dish of the country. Like,
for example, our former chair of the Minnesota DFL is
now running the DNC. For example, you know Mark Elias
of Election Integrity quote unquote fame started in Minnesota. I

(25:54):
could go on and on like this, but my point
is they ran an hour special on this ABC affiliated
network basically saying these Democratic Socialists need to be stopped
right now. And what's so interesting and we're going to
talk about this the Democrat party on the City Council

(26:17):
of Minneapolis. The self about Democrats bought with the Democratic
Socialists ninety percent of the time. So I don't know
what they're planning on doing over there, because, as you
were saying, that party has given over to Democrat socialism,
which let's just call it socialism. And Minneapolis is a

(26:42):
ghost town. You know, you're a little bit younger than me.
I don't know. Do you remember the Mary Tyler Morshall?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
No? Sorry, I remember it being at night. That's about
it all.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Okay, Well, Mary Tyler Moore, you know she she was
like America's it girl for decades and she had a
show which was a legend based in Minneapolis, and it
showed this vibrant, wonderful city where she worked in a newsroom.
And I'm going to tell you Minneapolis, right now, three
hundred million dollar skyscrapers are selling for six million bucks.

(27:14):
I mean, the thing is just collapsed.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
The Minneapolis police Department is working at probably about half staff.
I mean, it's it's rough. Okay. So the constabulary of
liberal Democrats has now blown the whistle and said all
hands on deck to stop the socialists. Well, hey, when
you just said, what did you say about President Trump

(27:40):
and his support? How much of his support came from
non Republicans? That's very critical.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, ten percent of it was from Democrats. Okay, you know,
the exit polling might not say that, but that's what
my polling says, and I believe mine. And yeah, thirty
two percent from independence, ten percent from Democrats.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
And so from my perspective, what I'm trying to do
here is to aggregate a new constituency that speaks to
all those groups. Like our producer Tanner, who is a
kind of a co creator with me on my show.
He's twenty five, right, twenty five. He's the one that
has really helped me under because the average age of

(28:22):
the Republican Party. Of course, you said they're going to
die off. It is four hundred and sixty two years old.
The crypt keepers are running the party. And Tanner has
taught me like I didn't even know his generation refers
to himself as the doomers. I didn't know that. And
you know, the bleak prospects that when you say, when
you say they've never lived in a capitalist society, that

(28:46):
they've lived in a kleptocracy. Man, that that hit home
with me just now. That's such a great analysis. How
can we expect them to embrace conservatism when they've never
seen any benefits from it.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Well, what's interesting too is that the sort of like
donor adjacent people on the right, people who are in
spheres of influence, love to pat themselves on the back
because they say this generation is more conservative than in decades,
and it's absolutely not the case. Like I just put
out really mind blowing pulling that I've heard has gotten

(29:20):
to the administration, and so I hope it makes them
crap their pants. These people are fundamentally deeply messed up
and very Yeah, boomers is a pretty good term, and
you know, I think they get blamed. It's like, why
are these people so weird? Why are they snowflakes? Why
can't they just suck it up and pull themselves up
by their bootstraps. And it's like, okay, Boomer, you hit

(29:42):
five houses and they think they're never gonna get one.
It's gotten that bad and everybody acknowledges it. Only twenty
two percent of Americans say that today's children will be
better off than their parents. That's bleak, Like where the
hell is the American dream? And so what I see
when I look at these people in pull them is
that sixty two percent of them think the economy is

(30:03):
unfair to them. Half of eighteen to twenty nine year
olds are single, and a forty percent chunk of those
people aren't even trying, Like they're just like nope. And
it's kind of sad because like the eighteen to twenty
nine year old male Trump voters, which is most young men,
you ask them how they define success in this NBC
poll I saw, and they say, well, I want a career,

(30:25):
but I want kids most of all. I want a family,
like I want to be married to a woman. Like
those are high. It's like thirty five forty five percent
of gen Z young men to find success that way.
But then when you ask eighteen twenty nine year old
women Harris voters, they define success overwhelmingly like fifty percent
as a career, Marriage and children is like six percent

(30:47):
of them. They just don't want the same things. So
it's gotten so bad that they've been taught to want
different things out of society. They haven't been brought up
into the church. Christianity is ailing them. I've done a
whole lot of polling on how de churtrification is really
spreading and how in mainline denominations you might as well

(31:09):
not even go to church because it doesn't even seem
to affect people's value system. And then when you look
at the when you look at eighteen to thirty nine
year old Trump voters, we looked at all eighteen to
thirty nine year olds, We asked them a whole bunch
of questions about socialism. People who voted for Trump in
twenty twenty four overwhelmingly, by almost eighty percent, support nationalizing

(31:32):
major industries like healthcare, tech, and energy. Almost sixty percent
of them support excess wealth confiscation, and only one third
of them say no when asked if there should be
income caps on the wealthy, and they set the income
caps pretty low too, not like a billion dollars, And
so it's like what it ultimately comes down to. I'm

(31:56):
trying to define a new political spectrum because like the
like Republican Democrat, the fight is so passe. If you
run on that, you're gonna lose. But then is it
conservative in liberal? Well, the liberal ideology is winning among
the left. Liberal is the fastest growing ideological subset, So

(32:17):
conservatives losing. But if you look at conservatism, it almost
sounds like a luxury belief. Like if you tell an
eighteen to twenty nine year old that we're just gonna
cut corporate taxes and you're gonna be able to get
a job, they're like, no, I can't get a job.
Like half of eighteen to twenty nine say that it's
not possible for everybody who wants to find work to
get a job. So they're going to tell you to

(32:37):
screw you. And then the religious battle losing, Yeah, they're
like eighteen to twenty nine is the ones that go
to church go to church a lot, and they're identifying
more with traditional things like Catholicism, but they're also overwhelmingly
pro choice, like like the Church has completely lost that battle,
and then you look at it, it's like, so what

(32:59):
battle is left? How do you define the political spectrum?
Because political scientists are still using this one where it's
economic freedom and then authoritarianism versus libertarianism on the vertical access.
And my proposal is that if you want to understand
modern politics, the new political spectrum is like fraud tolerance

(33:20):
versus authority trust. And so sixty five percent of everybody,
including a huge chunk most of the zoomers, are down
in the lower left quadrant that wants zero fraud. They
are sick of it. They don't want this system to
milk any more money out of them, and they don't
trust anybody in authority, not even Republicans. And then if
you look at where most Republican leaders are, they're in
the upright quadrant, which means they totally trust the system,

(33:43):
they're part of it. They of course, we're not going
to hack apart the we're not going to hack apart
the CDC, We're not going to hack apart the NIH.
These systems have value, like ask any Republican and they'll
really tell you that. And then they also have complete
griff tolerance, sure, Like, yeah, why would we even make

(34:05):
it look like we're going to touch social Security? No,
it's it's totally fine. Twenty percent of it definitely isn't
going to like duplicate payments to Venezuela and drug leaders.
So the problem is is that you have the Republican
Party and the core of most voters in complete opposite
size of the spectrum. They are totally one hundred percent
not aligned.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Like, Mark, can I slow you down? Because you know,
I like to say back what I think I'm hearing,
because I don't want to get this wrong, and I
want to summarize this. This is you and me talking
if the audience can benefit from this, I'm going to
tell you what I heard. What I heard was we're

(34:45):
being sold a set of attributes of the eighteen to
twenty nine year olds. And I don't mean this in
an awful way. I just mean it because it's historically
a fact that post the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we
got all this information about his cohort on the campus

(35:07):
and the great work he was doing there, and how
there's this great ground swell of conservativism amongst the young cohort.
And what I think I just heard you say is
that's not what you're polling has told you. Did I
get that correct?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And listen, the way I've been
framing this for people is sure, Turning Point's awesome. It's
doing great work, and a lot of people are patting
themselves on the back and looking to Turning Point and
saying that that's going to save us, and I'm saying, no,
the battle is already lost. He really screwed this generation up.
They do not have the same values as everybody else

(35:43):
in America, and if they get into power, you're not
going to like the way it looks and like the
freedom aspect. Even even Trump voters in eighteen to thirty
nine's were only split on whether they would support a
Democratic socialist Candidatemocrat socialist. The idea of a candidate winning
is like plus twenty with the eighteen to thirty nine

(36:05):
year olds, and so probably if you look at Turning Point,
the way you can explain it's apparent success is that
it's basically a voice in the wilderness and everybody's completely
abdicated this battle, like we've hollowed out education. These people
aren't being taught are found in principles, We remove the
Ten Commandments from the school, we celebrate multiculturalism, and then

(36:26):
we dump these people onto the internet, which is a
really dark place that is radicalizing them. They are being
groomed and parented by basically Reddit, the fifth largest website
in the US, and they go onto this online monoculture
that's reinforced on like roadblocks and TikTok, and like, what's
the response to that. We don't have any solution, period whatsoever.

(36:49):
In fact, most legislators don't even understand what Reddit is,
let alone the fact that it's probably like the number
one thing that is transing the kids. One of the
examples that I kind of explained about how messed up
this is is like, think about Catholicism. People have said
it's resurging, and there's a lot of people, a lot

(37:10):
of kids that were raised in Catholic families. Their parents
go to church, they bring them a CCD, there's crucifix
on the wall, they you know, all this stuff. Like
think about the social pressures of growing up in a
Catholic household and whether you'll become Catholic or not. Like
there's a lot of on ramps. There's a lot of
chances for you to make that decision for you personally, well,

(37:31):
more zoomers identify as gay than identify as Catholic. So
there you go. What that was? That was?

Speaker 3 (37:39):
That was my next You know, I want to review this,
and you did it for me. We have this flood
of articles which boomers read, Oh there's this great resurgence
of faithfulness and church attendance. But actually what you're saying is,
I want to just say this back, So everybody here, whre'

(38:00):
is this? In this young age cohort? There's more self
identifying gay people than there are Catholic people. Did I
just hear that correctly?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, that's right. Twenty Yeah, the Catholic percentages like fifteen
to twenty and twenty three percent according to multiple sources,
now of eighteen to twenty nine year olds identify as
the LGBTQ community. And it's like part of that can
be explained by public school teachers who are probably having

(38:33):
conversations that are uncomfortable in the way that this is
probably inserted in the common core and the books in
the library. Part of it can probably be explained by
parents having munchaus and syndrome by proxy. Part of it
can probably be explained by a couple freaky shows on
Netflix and Disney Plus, but not all right, like if
something else is going on, And so when you go

(38:54):
to Reddit, for instance, Reddit for people who don't know
is basically like a modern bulletin boardmmunity where you can
go find different subcommunities about certain special interests. And the
trans community on Reddit is bigger than the Christian community
on Reddit by a lot. Six hundred and twenty thousand
people are a member of the trans community, and then

(39:14):
there's other trans subreddits too, like ask Transgender, where you
go like let's let's say you're an eighteen Let's say
you're a thirteen year old and you want to play
Fortnite and you lose. So you're like, well, how can
I get better at Fortnite? Or I want to go
see some Fortnite jokes. Then you'll go to the subreddit
for Fortnite and you'll see a whole bunch of people
who we have like little trans flags in there, and

(39:36):
they oh, like, here's my friend. He talks to me
about Fortnite. Well, what communities does he go to? Oh,
he goes to ask Transgender oh, I kind of feel
a little bit weird in my body. And none of
this is behind any like age barrier or anything. Right,
And let me also say that Reddit is half of
reddits traffic is like degenerate porn. But so you're on

(39:56):
Reddit and you go to ask transgender and you start
talking about how you're not comfortable in your body, and
then some like forty five year old trans weirdo groomer
is like, well, here's how you can go to your
doctor without talking to your parents and get HRT and
this group will help you find a place to live
if you want to move out, and like all this stuff.
So that's like one of the places it's happening. Obviously

(40:17):
there's other places, right, Like California has even like codified
this in the law with the Trevor Project. They're putting
this link to this trans grooming community on the IDs
of student ideas of middle schoolers, and so like, this
is the problem that like you've heard the overton window,
and everybody wants to patent themselves on the back and
say the overtin window is moving back to the right.

(40:38):
It isn't the overtin window. Even on things like transgenderism
is still moving to the left because there has been
very only Trump, only Trump. The ubiquitously, I think almost
every legislator except for like five of them, like Nancy Mace,
would come out brutally against transgenders because just saying no
doesn't move the overtin window to the right. There needs

(41:01):
to be an equal and opposite reaction, and so yes,
the country is increasingly becoming accepting of transgendering miners. It's
still the minority who want that, but it's a growing minority,
and you're going to lose on things like reparations. It's
gonna happen, on things like socialism. It's going to happen
because there is no mechanism, not a single dollar spent
by any organization to move the Overton window back to

(41:23):
the right. It's just not it's like like you look
at a looney idea like reparations. Increasingly it's moving to
the left because ubiquitously, every Democrat is like, oh, I
guess I should talk positively about reparations. That's what my
dogma says. Well, just like a talking head saying, well,

(41:44):
you know, Americans disapprove of rep that's not enough. It's like, well,
what's the equal and opposite reaction, and like there is
none but nothing. Everybody is abdicating these fights. Nobody is
fighting for. Like people frame this as a political battle.
This is like no, a battle for the soul of America.
We're talking about like we're one generation away from not
having any of the values that we grew up with.

(42:04):
So uh, like everybody's got to clear the bench. And
but that like I just I just don't know, Like
identifying as a Republican running as a Republican in the
Republican Party. I guess it's a good start, but the
fourth turning tells us that we're in like the final
five years of where everything falls apart, So you know

(42:25):
what I mean. It's like, uh, like people need to
be like quitting their job and picket lining and making
counter protests and like literally flooding the streets in opposition.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Can I just break in for a second. Everybody can
go online to Royce White's ex account. Royce went last
week to a Republican Party gathering in the kind of
this metro area, and there was a group of leftist
protesters out in the street protesting this Republican gathering, and

(43:06):
Royce stood in the street and screamed at these people
and called it a counter protest. The police came and
they moved him back, and one of the leftists filmed,
you know, you know, with their with their camera, filmed
Royce and she posted this thing. This thing has gone viral,
and you know, I've been a lot of I spent

(43:27):
a lot of time with Royce. We were at an
event in twenty twenty four and we came around the
corner and there was like sixty protesters there, many of
them dressed up in Palestinian garb, and somebody said something
really you know, scatological towards Royce, and Royce waited right

(43:47):
into sixty people and said, okay, if that's how you feel,
come on. And of course he's two seventy five. He
didn't get any takers, but you know, he's actually in
the street confronting counter protesting, calling these people communists, call

(44:07):
them Satanists, and he's but he's an army you one, okay,
Well a lot of times I'm with them. So you
got you got two people, Well, we need us. And
we started a thing called Street Team here where we're
going out to all of the sports events and just
holding signs and confronting people. Well, it does take a
certain amount of courage. We've seated the streets to the left.

(44:30):
But you know, I want to go back. You know
what you're saying about this, uh, these quadrants of where
the voters are and where the Republican Party is. I
want to go over that one more time because your
theory of the case is that the new politics is
anti corruption and trust.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Rebuilding institutional trust. Yes, and I can see that all
all the all the time, because like you can tell
that Trump doesn't get it or doesn't want to get
this aspect of it. In that like under Biden, people
said by a majority that the FBI was Joe Biden's
personal gestapo, and the FBI lost its fifty plus favorability

(45:15):
rating for the first time in our polling. And it's
like people say, oh, well, Trump like trounced Kamala Harris
because she was a terrible candidates. No. I think he
had a mandate because his agenda was popular, but he
barely eked out a win on somebody who was basically
an empty vessel, and she convinced forty nine percent of
America to vote for her. Assuming our elections aren't completely corrupt,

(45:37):
but only thirty percent trust the federal government. So in
my opinion, this election was a referendum on the statist
overreach of Biden and the inflation crisis. And so what
Trump gets into office and does. First off, I'll say
he starts hacking apart in the federal government with Doge,
and that's when his approval rating was highest. He actually
hit a sixty percent approval rating with eighteen to thirty nine,

(46:00):
and he's way down with them now and that stuff's
not happening. So there's there's some evidence, right, And I'll
say people are happy with his administration right direction. Polling
is setting records, but only still in like forty two
percent of America says the country's headed in the right direction.
It's been higher than forty for thirty five consecutive weeks,
so that's unprecedented, but it's still not a majority of

(46:23):
Americans say the country's head in the right direction. But
he puts Cash Pattel at the head of the FBI
now and says, okay, it's fixed. And then he says, well,
case closed on Epstein and you believe, you know, are
lying your lying eyes about a thirty hot six and
it's like, no, people don't trust the FBI just because

(46:44):
you put cash Ptel there. They're screaming for arrests and
we haven't seen any. And so that's the problem with
institutional trust. Like we've seen organizations get corrected where the
activists are rooted out and all the fraud and waste
is a jack did And that happened at Twitter where
they fired eighty percent of the workforce. So you have

(47:05):
this matrix, and I think it defines the left pretty
well too. So in the bottom left again, these people
don't want any fraud, they don't want a corrupt system,
and they also don't trust the authority. The right leadership
is in the upper right, where it's like, yeah, the
fraud's fine, like Mitt Romney, I'm on the board of
the International Republican Institute, getting a million dollar pay check

(47:27):
for doing nothing fine, And then also, yeah, we're doing
a pretty good job. You go to Washington, DC, you
go to happy hour and watch the people pile out
of the Capitol Hill building and go to happy hour.
They're all pretty happy with themselves. It's not you're not
feeling an existential battle down in Washington, DC. So now
on the upper left. I think you have the core

(47:48):
of the Democrat voter, and those people don't want a
corrupt system, but they trust authority a lot. And so
that's like, well, if we got it wrong, it's just
because we have the wrong ex's there And look at
cash Ptell, he's so crass. How could Trump put somebody
like that and ahead of the FBI. We need to
get empowered because we need our experts to take over

(48:08):
this system. And then you get in the bottom right,
it's like people who don't trust the authority, but they
love grift and corruption. And that's like your Democrat leadership.
That's like AOC who wants to be in power because
she just wants to steal everything, right, Like that's what
it is. So they're kind of in opposition too, like

(48:29):
they and you can say, well, how do they trust authority?
I don't know. There's a lot of lies right now,
But to understand the fact that basically people want to
burn the system down by a majority, I think needs
to be the core of the Republican Party. And I
like Royce White. I think he says a lot of
the good things, but the problem is he's tethered to
basically an impotent machine that doesn't right.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
No, no, wait, wait wait, he's not tethered to that machine.
We're building our own machine. And I'm listening to every
word your do you know? So I'm not talking very much.
You know, my audience knows I like to talk, obviously,
I'm a podcaster, right. I am so captivated by this
matrix that you're creating of what are the voters really

(49:17):
resonating with? And I'm trying. I want to say this
again because this is new information.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
For me.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
It's corruption and trust, and those two things go hand
in hand because if we're getting robbed, you're not going
to trust people that are robbing you. So you've just
broken out this matrix and you're saying that the young people,
the future of this country are in the lower left
quadrant of this matrix, and what they are absolutely committed

(49:48):
to is ending the corruption. And they don't trust the
institutions because the institutions have not served them. They, you know,
like me, like you, I'm older than you. I mean
the institutions. For me, hey, it was all good until
it wasn't. So to me, there's something to preserve. But
to Tanner, I never thought about it this way. He's

(50:09):
never seen any institutional integrity, so for him, for his generation,
it's burnt it down. And then you got the Boomers,
my cohort up in the upper right quadrant, the Republicans,
and they're saying, like me, hey, I trust the legal system.
Well I did. I don't. Now that's because I read.
But I mean, I grew up. You know, my mother

(50:30):
was an attorney. You know, I grew up with a
lot of respect. I have a lot of cases myself
because I'm in business and I like to believe that
there's something with integrity. Although I just got in an
argument with my mother this week where I where she
told me and I said, well, yeah, rule of loss corrupt.
So apparently I'm sliding down on the lower left corner myself.

(50:51):
But most of the boomers are up there in the
upper right corner where they believe in the institutions and
them they built them, and they tolerate the corruption because
it's kind of a it's kind of like inventory slippage.
It's like it's kind of like losing some inventory. Walmart
loses some inventory, but it's still Walmart making a ton

(51:12):
of money. We're all good, do I understand that correctly.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
That upper right now, yeah, and they want their social
safety nets to subsist, and everybody says, oh, look at
the That's the thing that pisses me off so much
is that they say, oh, look at our buckling social
safety nets. We're not going to have enough people to
pay for my social security. Those eighteen to twenty nine
year olds need to breed more. Those people just need
to have kids and wing it well, it's like they

(51:37):
can't afford a house. You gave their job to Indians like, no,
they can't. And everybody looks at this collapsing demographic wave
and says, oh, you got a problem. Well, nobody looks
at that and says, oh, also, twenty five percent of
those people are gay, and thirty five percent of them
have mental conditions.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
And the women don't want to have make family.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Women don't want to have kids exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
It's just obvious. Right. And then in that upper left
hand quadrant, let's talk about that one. I want to
get this under my belt. This upper left hand. Talk
about the upper left.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
So I think those are people that fundamentally like trust authority,
and they think that experts can run the system. But
they want their experts in basically the Democrat.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
This is the Democrat voter, the cohort, the backbone that
votes Democrat. A lot of college educated people they respect,
they respect authority because they have the authority, they have
the degrees. They just want their experts running the machine.
And how do they.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Feel about the corruption. They don't see it. They say, well,
look at Trump, he's so cross, he must be a rapist.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Oh, they blame it on the other side. They're caught
up in the dynamic of left and right. So the
people don't the people down the lower left, they're not
caught up in that dynamic and burn it down.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Now they've they've taken the pill, they've taken the red pill.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
And up in the upper left that's maybe their parents.
If you talk about legacy voters, those people are educated.
They want their experts in place.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
A lot of like younger ones. And there's a lot
of Christians in there too. And it's people that have
been taught that they want sanitized abortion rights, even though
it means murdering babies, you know what I mean. Like
it's like I did a lot of religion polling and
what is kind of weird is that basically like Christians

(53:38):
in America are only plus two pro life, and that's
that's kind of like weird, considering that many would say
objectively abortion, especially like later term abortion is like obviously
obviously against biblical principles, right, And yet overwhelmingly Democrat Christians
support a candidate who was for unfettered abortion, and so

(53:59):
they've done a lot of mental gymnastics in order to
get there. But essentially that aspect of Christianity doesn't apply
to them, whereas for Republican Christians it does, and whereas
for Evangelical Christians it does way more than Protestant Christians.
But if you look at like if you just say, okay, well,
I asked a question like who who has the best

(54:20):
moral character? I think was the one I used Kamala
Harris or Donald Trump? And then you look at religion
sub sections the religion, who's most confident in their worldview,
who understands their value set clearest? Is Atheists not Christians.
They overwhelmingly said, oh, yeah, Kamala Harris, She's the one

(54:42):
who has the better moral character. And so obviously there's
an information war going on and people are consuming different
fact sets, like that's fundamentally the core issue. But you
can't just blame it on all of the live from
the mainstream media. They want to consume those core fact
sets too. They want to be they want to belong
to something that has moral authority, and that's dangerous because

(55:02):
when they get power, they're gonna shove it down everybody's throat.
It's like the Democrats wanted to put the unvaccinated in
prison camps and in prison anybody who questioned the efficacy
of the vaccine. These are people who are supposed to
be liberal and they wanted to like almost sixty percent
of them wanted to imprison people who question the vaccines,
and the Biden strong approvers it was like massive number.

(55:24):
I can't remember what it was. And so it's like
again going back to this right versus left, the framing
of like a Republican versus Democrat battle, it doesn't capture
any of the stuff, the fact that the Democrats are
fundamentally insane. The eighteen to twenty nine year olds have
completely lost hope in the system and want something different.
If they can't get Donald Trump, they're gonna pick AOC

(55:45):
or Bernie Sanders. That's just what's gonna happen. And when
that person gets in charge of the country, Like maybe
Mamdani will show us what happens in New York first.
I don't know now, I mean, like, there's good news.
I think jd. Vance is gonna win in twenty eight
probably if nothing changes. But I think the Democrats are
probably going to pick up the House in the Senate
in the mid terms at this rate. Probably, I mean

(56:07):
history tells us they should. And like, what does the
Democrat Party do? Everybody I talk to says, well, they're
going to use the nuclear option. Well, it's like, why
is the Republican Party not doing anything? They have passed nothing,
and it's like, oh, the sixty vote filibuster limit. But yeah,
America thinks we're on the brink of a civil war.

(56:28):
Forty three percent of America thinks the civil war revolutions
coming in the next few years. So it's like, and
I've given a very clear like the government shut down
right now, we can't get a budget unless you pass
you know, unless you pass a budget reconciliation, right which
isn't going to happen because the Democrats don't support it.

(56:48):
Use the nuclear option and tomorrow pass paper ballots. Use
the nuclear option. And the next week, let's get bipartisan
election audits. Next week, let's get voter id like the
after that, like past something popular that everybody supports arrest
people they want arrests, like seventy percent of America says,

(57:09):
it's likely that most legislators are profiting from the system
and ill gotten ways, like they think it's all corrupt
man like, and everybody that you talk to, every single
person involved in politics is invested in the system maintaining
a status quo.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
What it sounds to me like is that upper left
and that upper right quadrant, those voters are maintaining the
fit of red blue fight and the ones in the
bottom of the quadrant, those are truly the dark forces
in the society that are seeking neither to overturn it

(57:49):
or to profit from it.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
And so this is super informative to me, just that
the dynamic that the the matrix of decision making has
shifted the Overton window. And look at Minnesota. I'm going
to ask you to help me look at it as
we stand involved the fraud that's going on in Minnesota
under the Democrat administration, which that's a bullh story. Sorry, Tanner.

(58:17):
We try not to swear because we're up on YouTube. Also,
you know, the Republicans are blaming the Democrats for fraud.
I mean to me, just to me, because I'm a
business person. Okay, if one hundred million dollars disappear, that
could be a criminal. When you start talking about billions,
that would be what I would call broad bipartisan support

(58:40):
for that system. And you know, we got leading Republican
candidates in Minnesota pointing their fingers at the Democrats. You
did this. You know, you guys are the sheep dogs.
You're supposed to protect the citizens. So they don't understand
that every time they point their finger, there's three fingers
pointing back at themselves, because there's that lower left quadrant

(59:02):
that sees the whole system as being corrupt, both sides
of it. Yeah, and we're not moving the needle here
in Minnesota yet to address. All we're doing is using
it like a cudgel. We're not really politically addressing where
did the money go? See, this is another thing that

(59:24):
really matters. You steal a little bit, they throw you
in jail. You steal a lot, they make you king.
We're talking about billions of dollars of Minnesota taxpayer money disappeared?
Where'd that money go? Who created that funnel? I want
every dollar followed? And you know why they're not going
to follow it is they don't want the answer. They

(59:46):
don't want the the powers that be don't want the
answer of where billions have disappeared.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
To Yeah, the h like arresting the fraudsters is the
easy thing, you know what I mean? Like the right
controls the FBI now and like what have we seen?
Like what have we seen? I hear that there have
been grand juries and paneled, they indicted Komi. He's not

(01:00:14):
a jail yet, like you know, like the and the part.
Everybody has to acknowledge that it's it's it's way worse
than you know. And I'll give you a quick story.
So when I was thirty five, my wife said, you know,
you should get checked out. I think you have sleep apnea.
Your dad has a seapap maybe you have apnea too.
And so I went to my doctor. He says, well,

(01:00:35):
you need to get a sleep study. I'm like fine,
So I get hooked up and I go to the
sleep study and they're like, you have apnia. You're gonna
die and I'm like, no, let's not be historyonic here.
I'm probably not gonna die. I'm a healthy, thirty five
year old man. This is so dangerous. You stop breathing
fifty times an hour, You're going to die. Okay, well,
what do you like. You got to get an seapap
and you got to have that machine breathe for you

(01:00:55):
for the rest of your life. And I'm like, well,
I don't like that solution. So I went to an
ear noose throat doctor, a specialist, one of the best
doctors in Manhattan. I had good health care at the time.
And he's like, yeah, you have to use a sheet papper.
You're gonna die. They're like, well, okay, what are my options?
And he says, well, we can surgically disconnect your jaw
here and here. It's gonna cost you fifty thousand, and

(01:01:17):
it's got like a forty percent success rate and you're
gonna have to, you know, eat through a straw for
six months. And I'm like, well, I don't like that
option either. He's like, well, there's an experimental treatment. We
can shove a ten ten gage needle through your tongue
and pin it with like this device and I'm like, oh,
I don't like that option either, and he's like, oh, well,
we can insert carbon fiber or slivers in your throat.
It's like, you know, ten thousand dollars, it's got like

(01:01:38):
a twenty percent success rate. And I'm like, this is
the best that science has to offer. So I went
home and I did some research, and it took some tinkering.
I tried to figure I got. I got a pul
sox simeter, and you know, reading about uncontacted tribes in
the Amazon and how people anthropologically have slept in the past,
it's like, well, they just sleep on the dirt. So

(01:02:00):
I'm like, all right, I'm just going to sleep on
my carpet. And my apnea went away, and so I'm like,
wait a minute, maybe it's just positional. So I decided
to sleep on my side, and now I don't have
sleep apnea. I taught myself to sleep on my side.
I got a firmer mattress, so I asked roc. I'm like, well,
that's kind of weird because it would have been millions
over my lifetime to have a seapap for my entire life.

(01:02:20):
It's probably some danger with like mold and you know
like it's uh. And I said, okay, GROC, if half
of the people that are taxpayer funded that currently are
diagnosed with sleep apnea and have a seapath, if just
half of those people could fix it with like health
positional changes, what would be the ten year savings to taxpayers?

(01:02:43):
And GROX said eight hundred and fifty billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Wow, so yes, you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Know what I mean, Like, we're not like the Republicans
freaked out when they went for the five billion dollar
child pain medication market. So it's like, it's all if
we had just capped Social Security, or if we just
capt Medicaid sorry Medicare and Medicaid as a percent of
GDP in nineteen seventy, we would only have eleven trillion

(01:03:12):
dollars in debt right now. And so it's all I used,
since you swore i'll use the phrase. It's societal and shitification.
Every cent has been wrung out of this thing by
a system that has not yet even had an opening
shot fired at it. The opening shot was Trump, and
look at how it freaked out. It literally tried to
throw him in jail and kill him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Like it's well, this is so interesting because I started
out politically trying to talk about the politics of human
well being, that what can bring people together on a bipartisan,
nonpartisan basis is what extends our longevity and increases our prosperity.

(01:03:57):
Let's not talk about this in a left right way.
Let just talk about our longevity is in decline for
the first time in my lifetime. You know, we're spending
more money on healthcare than any per capita in any
country in the world by far, It's not even close.
And you know, we're at a point now on YouTube
where I think we can talk about this, but I'm

(01:04:18):
not sure they won't strike this thing down because what
I'm saying is, look at you. You self governed. You
went to your doctor, which was extraordinarily prudent and intelligent.
You trust, you don't disregard science. You went to see
a technician, a scientific technician. You said, what are the

(01:04:39):
different I've been diagnosed with something, What are my potential treatments?
And you went through each one of them, and you said,
I don't like any of them. Now right there. Once
you've done that, you're down the Laura left quadrant right away,
because you've said I am going to research this myself
now interesting, if you look at outcomes from people that

(01:05:04):
have severe disease, the ones that are the least trustee
have the best outcomes. I don't know why that is.
That's correlation, not causation, but having been there myself, to
tell you my own story, I was diagnosed, I was
recommended to have a major surgery, chemotherapy, sixty rounds of radiation.

(01:05:31):
And I looked at the doctor and I said great.
So I went to another doctor right in my same district.
He gave me the same prescription. I said, wait a second,
the same I started thinking, maybe something legal is going
on here. So I traveled out of state to a
completely different legislative and legal domain and I got a

(01:05:55):
completely different read And instead of having major surgery and
instead of having chemotherapy, I had a very mild treatment.
And I've been asymptomatic for thirty thirty six years. And
you know, so, you know, I really resonate with what
you're saying, because you did your own research. Now, had

(01:06:17):
your app it continued and you had felt threatened, you
would have gone back to the doctor because you went
in the first place. So it's not like you're opposed
to doctrine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
You just see now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Okay, well, great, well, you look very healthy and balanced.
But but you know, my point is you didn't. You
weren't distrusting at the get go, and now you've had
this feedback loop where you did your own research and
you healed yourself, and you haven't said anything about your
faith and we just talked a little bit about religion.

(01:06:52):
I don't know if you're Catholic, although if you asked
me to bet, i'd say you're a Catholic.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I could be wrong, but my covering methodist.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Okay, great, Well, my point is there's something going on
in life that the prevailing system does not acknowledge because
it's profit seeking. There's something else going on. There's something
else including did you say including the church?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Including the church?

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I agree with you one hundred percent, but there's something
else going on. There's something else out there. And you've
had an experience of healing yourself, and you know that's
a life changing experience. Now you're going to say, well,
wait a second, how many other maladies can be addressed
in some other way that doesn't cost the system eight

(01:07:44):
hundred billion dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Right? Well, there's many, I would assume because I have
another shorter anecdote, I have myopia. I got all the
way up to four diopters by my parents sending me
to glasses and get glasses and get glasses. And you know,
you have to have a prescription in the United States
to buy glasses from Iopia, not for reading, just from

(01:08:08):
Iopia for whatever reason, you don't in England. And so
you know, long story short, I've improved my eyesight from
about four didaptors to down to one and three quarters.
I'm wearing one in a quarter right now. And if
you go to talk to the AIS, the language models
who train on information that's on the Internet, and you say,

(01:08:31):
can you improve your eyesight naturally chat GPT is going
to tell you no, it's impossible, it's hereditary. You have
to go get an optomictis look at you like that's
just the answer. It's like, no, you're wrong. You can
argue with it and it will not agree with you
because the glasses market is too big in the United
States so everything. And people know this now, especially after COVID,
because we ask people how important is it to you know,

(01:08:54):
get your own information when seeking stuff about your health?
Fifty eight percent? And I forget with the opposite answer
is like thirty couple and fifty six percent of voters
now think that the COVID vaccine it likely caused a
significant number of unexplained deaths, and people trusted the health system,

(01:09:16):
people trusted Anthony Fauci, people took the vaccine, and now
a majority of them say, yeah, it's killing people. And
you know, we haven't even got into the horrible stories
about the hospital treatment protocols. Many people think that patients
were murdered, like literally just killed for money, and where's
the accountability? And people want accountability. That's the thing is,

(01:09:38):
it's this old matrix does not work anymore. It's not
about libertarianism, Like libertarians can go screw off, you've lost
your ideal system. Is might as well just be like,
I mean, it's nice to want that. Maybe that's an
ending point, but I think the right is authoritarianists too,

(01:09:59):
because we he asked a question recently about Jimmy Kimmel
and did you know there was some quote we had
about do you agree or disagree that fashion fascism isn't coming,
it's already here, And the quote won by like almost
twenty points. People are like, yeah, it was fascist, Like
firing Jimmy Kimmel. But that's in polling where Trump had

(01:10:21):
a positive approval rating, and many of the people who
said it was fascists were Republicans, so they're like, great,
shut this guy up. And I mean, I'll tell you
another one that's changing rapidly is that if you think, like,
what's a question that you could pick that shows you
the fundamental core of somebody's like like justice system, like

(01:10:43):
the decisions they make around how they've the capital punishment,
like what do you should criminals get executed? And we
pulled that in twenty nineteen and won by thirteen points
capital punishment forty nine to thirty six. Well, we pulled
the week after Arena Zarotska got the video came out
of her getting murdered, and the death penalty wins by

(01:11:04):
forty points. It's plus seventy among Republicans, it's plus twenty
among Democrats, and so three to one Americans want the
death penalty now and they overwhelmingly support it. Was like,
you know, by ten points, that's a pretty big majority.
Trump just rolling in the National Guard through cities. Let
just do it. And so they want arrests, they want

(01:11:24):
all they want sixty seven percent support of the swampying drains,
and it's just not happening. It's not happening fast enough,
the windows closing, and we can blame it on Pam
Bondi or whatever. Like nobody believed her about the Epstein case.
Only sixteen percent said the case is closed. They think
that there are powerful and wealthy predators that were abusing

(01:11:44):
young women and they were just told to know nothing
to see here after a decade and a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Half, Can I just delve into this with you a
little bit, because this is another very interesting area, And
I want to say back what I think I'm hearing
because I'm I'm developing some internal dissonance because, if I
understood you correctly, at an earlier part of this podcast
to this broadcast, you had said that Biden lost or

(01:12:13):
the Democrats lost because of two primary dimensions. Number one
state overreach and the other one was economic inflation. That
I understand you correctly. So if that's true that state
overreach was a critical issue in that election, yep. Are
we in a situation now where if the Republican administration

(01:12:35):
does state overreach it's okay, or a state overreach going
to be continued to be a problem in upcoming elections
because clearly Trump is testing the limits of what he
can do for executive authority.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Well, I guess they're just going to have to roll
the dice. Accountability is what the state over reach needs
to be in my opinion right now, bringing criminal to justice,
uncovering the depth of corruption in our government. And that's
not what was happening in the Biden administration. They were
shutting down small businesses and forcing people to take an
experimental medicine. They were weaponizing the Department of Justice to

(01:13:12):
raid the home of a former president on a paper
thin predicate that everybody saw. You know, when Donald Trump
got indicted, his pull number shot up. A lot of
black people flocked to him, and he's still got a
pretty high black approval rating historically speaking, I think it's
in the thirties right now. So it's like people saw that,
and you know, looking at the Department of Justice stuff,

(01:13:33):
we had numbers in the sixties of people who said
that this has Banana Republic. And so a lot of
Democrats were looking at this and saying, oh, I don't
like the look of this, you know what I mean.
It's like, I don't really believe the story. Now the
core left does, who will reflexively say that Trump stole
democracy and that he's a rapist? And where where is

(01:13:53):
that a crucible that's forming these beliefs Blue Sky and
Reddit and MSNBC, although MSNBC is like functionally dead now
it's websites like ranked nine hundredth in the US, and
I guess CNN is dying too. It's so there is
good news, like the info war in many ways is
being won, but it's like it's already poisoned the eighteen

(01:14:16):
to twenty nine in a way that we have not
even begun to fathom. And I think the window is
closing again because I think the Democrats are probably going
to get into power in some way, and Trump's legislative agenda,
what little there is, is going to be dead in
November twenty six unless something big happens. Now, something like
big stuff could happen. I'm just calling for it. They
could start governing. Well, that would be great if they

(01:14:38):
passed laws like here's here's how you get to Democrats,
because most Democrats, if you attach the word Trump to it,
they're just not gonna like it. They just don't want it.
They've like they've tuned out. They think he's hitler. But
believe it or not, Democrats actually do share some fundamental
values with the rest of us. They believe in fairness.
So if you like anything about fear crime fairness, they'll

(01:15:01):
they'll be for it. Like they don't like election cheating.
They just think Elon Musk stole the election. But if
you ask them how important it is to prevent cheating,
ninety percent of them say it's important. They don't want
a two tier system of justice, just like Republicans. They
don't want corruption. They just don't think their side's corrupt.
So you have to rub their nose in it. You
just have to force it down their throats. This is
how corrupt your system is, and we are not seeing

(01:15:24):
that when you just like you fire off one indictment
at COMI and all of a sudden, Reddit has enough
time to shape him into a martyr. And it's like, well,
it's not enough. It's not going to be enough. We
all know how bad it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
We're talking about corruption. I mean, I think you and
I could talk about this for hours, but I think
we're seeing it in a very similar way. It's so
baked into the culture. We can't even recognize it, you know. Yeah,
we're talking about institutional.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
There's aspects of the Trump administration that are corrupt as well.
He's surrounded by grifters. The information I think that he
gets is limited. I think there are people profiting off
of his administration as well, and so like that can't happen. Oh,
we going all to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Don't on my podcast, we go all the way. I mean,
I'm a pretty staunch critic of the military industrial complex,
the medical industrial complex, the educational entertainment complex. They're all,
they're all. These are the entrenched interest. This is what
you call the status quo. So what we're trying to
do here in Minnesota is just find enough people that

(01:16:35):
are pissed off enough. And what I'm getting out of
this is they're in that lower left hand quadrant. That's
where those people are.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
That's what my polling says. Now, how activated are those people?
I don't know. Many of them are probably happy with
their status quo, Like I don't know, like people are
not on the streets right now, but they want arrests.
Like we asked, uh, if intelligence official, if intelligence official
manipulated information in order to get Trump in the Russian

(01:17:05):
coclusion hoax, I forget the exact worrying with something like that,
should they be arrested? Yeah, fifty seven percent said yes.
I think only in the twenties said no, and half
Democrats are like, yeah, if they do, sure, they should
go to jail if they manipulated intelligence. And so it's like,
that's a very strong majority, stronger majority than any political question,

(01:17:26):
and a bigger majority than most politicians have won by
in every single district across the country. And so that's
what Americans like, that's these are fundamental things.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Say that one more time. Is this an issue of fairness?
Is that what you're saying? What is the cultural value
we're talking about here?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
One of the highest numbers. Everybody's like, oh, well, everybody
believes this or everybodybody believes that. No, it never happens.
It's never everybody except for like, very very very few questions,
I ever get a number above ninety and you know,
for instances right now, the number one issue in America
is that people are concerned about political violence more than
inflation ninety percent. People are concerned about cheating and elections

(01:18:08):
ninety percent. Ninety five percent think it's important that politicians
are held to the same standard of justice as other citizens.
This is this is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
This is without reference to party. This is American.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
This is one hundred percent of america bipartisan agreement that
there should not be a two tiered system of justice.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
That is, let's just stick with these three again. I
want to say this again, more popular than oxygen. I
want to say these three again that are polling over
ninety percent. So everybody in this audience here is at
number one over what are the over nineties mark that's
just off.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
The top of my head. Preventing cheating and elections? What
else rising prices I don't even think got.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
To political violence?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Is political violence? And then the number one is two
tiered system of justice. That's the highest number I can remember.
There might the others from.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
And and that's that's broadly bipartisan. So then the battle
becomes an information wares about what is the application of
two tiers of justice, because from my perspective, clearly it's
functioning on a broad bipartisan information war.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Is not the right way to frame it, though, because
that gives you a different solution set. If you say,
well it's because of the information war, well, MSNBC, like
I said, is dead. It is dead. People don't watch
it anymore. It only gets one hundred and fifty thousand
people in the primetime demo. But people would say, well,
we've won the information war. We have Twitter and Blue
Sky's assessed pit and and maybe your solution is to well,

(01:19:42):
we can still go after Reddit like maybe, but no,
that's not really it. The problem is is that two
competing worldviews have developed. That's the problem, and that makes
it a much much bigger issue.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Well that those are the those are paradigm issues, cultural
shift issues. And if I was going to and just
I want to just lay this on you, because we
haven't talked about it, we're coming to the end. So
you know, my read of that is there's a traditional
hundreds of thousands of years of development of human history
that involves, for example, structures of faith, you know, fundamentals,

(01:20:24):
sanctity of life, that there's a god, you know that
there is you know, family, traditional values that ran smacking
dab into the progressive era starting in about nineteen hundred,
which has led us to a new religion which is
not fenced as a religion, but it's secular humanism, and
it kind of has crept its way into our governance

(01:20:45):
under the guise of separation of church and state. But
I see secular humanism or this kind of worldview as
being religious all the hallmarks of a religion. It just
doesn't have God or church. The church becomes the state.
So we've got a religious self governance kind of the
impetus of the country republicanism where people self governed and

(01:21:08):
their citizen sovereigns and we protect minority rights and we're
kind of doing our own thing to the extent that
we can. And then we've run into this new thing
of a collectivist kind of status approach to organize a
human affairs. Is that what you're saying or is it
something else that you're seeing these two world views?

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
I guess, And it's so messy, but it's like what
ideals do we want? And I think that it's a
relatively new development, probably that we have the luxury to
make this kind of decision. When our founding fathers put
America together, I would assume that ninety five percent of
people were just agrarian, you know, like they I'm sure
there were people in towns and they had businesses and

(01:21:46):
they you know, you had your cobblers and stuff like that,
but like most people had farms and they didn't really
give a crap about what kind of governance system that
they operated under as long as they weren't taxed too
much and left alone, right, they're just raise your kids
armed and died. And so now it's like, well, we
have a system that has been built recently and it

(01:22:07):
was good, and we know the parts about it that
were good, and so we should aggressively try to fix that.
And so like that's most of what we talked about
today is like are we gonna who's doing it? Like
what do we do to get there? How do we
restore the system that we liked? But then there's this
other question about, well, like what's the right set of
ideals long term, because whether the system's fixed or not,

(01:22:29):
the sun's going to rise tomorrow and it's probably going
to be worse than we think in some ways and
not as bad as we think in others. We're probably
going to have war. Most Fourth turnings do, and you
can feel the world just craving war right now, and
that's usually what happens when we get so much debt.
So some people will fight and die and other people
won't and we'll live perfectly normal lives that have jobs,

(01:22:50):
and the country will exist still, and we'll have something
that's not free market capitalism, probably not also pure socialism.
But there will be you know, a lot of friction, right.
There will probably be political people thrown in jail because
Democrats don't like them. They will like, I don't know,
but it's like, what's the right set of values to

(01:23:12):
put in our crosshairs as something to work towards, And
like nobody's talking about that, but it's likely you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
But Mark, you did because you brought up something we
really didn't delve into, which is the the belief of
the younger cohort of capping wealth, of cling back wealth
of of making because they just don't have access to
the kind of economic freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
And you know, part of that, bottom Smith is they
have no idea who Adam Smith is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
And part of that is because of the global integration
of business. I mean, I'm going to tell you I
haven't been a self government is a businessman. I've been
self employed since I'm nineteen. Yeah, you know, if you're
in the tech space, okay, great, but if you're in
a traditional what you'd call kind of a main street business.
It's really tough to make money. Now you're facing forces

(01:24:05):
that are soification.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
It's the intittification. I can see this in a chart.
So one of the measures that I alluded to before
I didn't talk about. Everybody looks at the Genny coefficient.
I like to look at I took. You can do
this on FRED. You can go to the FRED site
and put this together per cap and a total public
debt divided by median real income, so that like the

(01:24:29):
middle person in America, what does that person earn, and
so that ratio shows like kind of their ability to
pay off their portion of government debt. And if you
look at the chart, it's been really stable at about
point five, which means that the middle Americans income is
twice as high as their share of the debt they
have to pay off until about two thousand and eight,

(01:24:50):
and then the charge is skyrockets up and it's up
to two point five now, which means that Americans are
five times less capable of paying off their the government debt.
So this isn't necessarily a debt signal. It's also a
stagnating median real income signal. And it's like a hockey stick.
It just turned left and kept going up. And we

(01:25:11):
all know why. It's the financial crisis happened. We socialized losses.
We showered Bernaki dollars on all of these major corporations,
and then they went and off short everything. And that's
and then we passed these by Parson, you know, crisis
resolution acts that shove billions of dollars down private equity
companies throats, and they've literally they've they found a whole

(01:25:35):
new treasure chest to raid and it's screwed over the
middle class and now we can't buy houses. And unfortunately,
the only way to fix it is by massively changing
our economic order. A lot of these corporations have to
die creative destruction. There needs to be wealth transfers, like,
for instance, one of the best wealth transfers that we
could do is to crash the housing market, brutally crash
the housing market, and that will destroy the wealth of

(01:25:58):
people who are over sixty five who have multiple houses,
but it will make it hopefully, if we keep Blackstone
out of the market, it will make it so the
zoomers can actually buy one. And how do you do that?
You deport everybody, like literally everyone, and I hope we do.
We lost two million legal immigrants, and these things have consequences,
like it's wild. Homan came out and said that one

(01:26:19):
point six million illegal immigrants have self deported, and two
days later CNN reported that the number one beer in
America was no longer Modello. I kid you not. And
so these things, like there are real economic consequences, and
this stuff has to happen because it's so corrupt. I
used to work at Walmart. Seventy percent of Walmart's technology

(01:26:40):
is Indian foreign nationals. They hire legal aliens as drivers
and in the stores, and every product they sell is
from China, like pretty much literally every like seventy percent
of our entire e commerce industry. Like if you look
at Amazon and Walmart is like sixty or seventy percent
Chinese skews. Why did we do that? And why are
we not like okay tariffs no no, no no, like

(01:27:03):
rip Amazon apart, Root and Stem with the FTC, like,
go after these people, sue the hell out of them.
It has to happen rapidly because again, when the zoomers
are just going to put communists in charge, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
So interesting to talk I could see we could just
sit back and talk about e commerce. And I'm just
going to tell you, because I always forget this. We
run an e commerce tire company here to fund Free
People Radio. It's called tireget dot com. You're welcome to
be an affiliate. We sell tires and we got the
best deal on tires. We put them on people's in

(01:27:35):
people's backyards, you know, five minutes from your house. We
can get to put on best price in the country,
best service, great service. I've been in the tire business
since nineteen seventy nine. When I started the tire business,
there was no imported tires. None. Right now today, I
you know, my brain's locking up them. I think seventy

(01:27:57):
percent of the consumer tires that we put on our
vehicles they're imported. We have offshore the tire industry. You know.
It's just it's crazy that this happened in my lifetime,
but I was part of it, what you would call
a reformed globalist. I was in China in nineteen ninety three,

(01:28:18):
and you say, well, why did we do this? Well,
I know why we did it because I was in
the seminars when the government people came in and said
We're going to make the Chinese just like us. We're
going to term into free market capitalists. We're going to
break the back of Chinese communism. And you know, I
haven't been in China for years, years. You know what's
happened is and you know I'm looking at this. You know,

(01:28:40):
just yesterday Trump took the Trump administration took a ten
percent stake in another mining company. We're moving into a
form of state capitalism to confront the threat that China
poses because of their economic system is just better at winning.
Ours is better at giving everybody a shot and lose it.

(01:29:01):
Theirs is better at given the country a shot at winning.
And so we're changing are But what what I'm getting
out of this from you is and I felt this myself,
and I'm always afraid to say it because you know,
I come out of that kind of Reagan era, which
in Reagan was a free trader and an immigration supporter

(01:29:22):
to the max. So, but there was a kind of
an ethosund for.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Sure, this was not a Democrat thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Yeah, Oh, I think they led the charge. If you
look at Daddy Bush, Junior Bush, Reagan, we have such
you know, some of the states now they no longer
have Lincoln Reagan dinners in the party. They're just Lincoln
dinners because I think people are starting. But it's like
when I say this, there's gonna be people in Minnesota.
How can you criticize Ronald Reagan? Well, I'll tell you how.

(01:29:51):
He was the one that kicked off globala capitalism. He's
the one that opened the borders for immigration. He's the
one that put the security state in place. He got
he just barely avoided going to jail for a ran contra.
I mean, we're looking at the corruption. Really, they had
the Mahaja Dean in the White House in nineteen eighty three.

(01:30:13):
You know, the predecessors of the Taliban were welcomed into
the White House. And we don't look at these things
because we're not students of history. But my point is,
you know, just talking with you, we could just take
an hour and talk about since you have that Walmart experience,
the numbers, the stats that you just laid off about

(01:30:36):
seven percent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Corporations are too is incredible because everybody misunderstands the problem.
And this goes deeper. We're going to have like major
corporate issues too, because fundamentally the problem we have the
reason we're in the fourth arning is because integrity is gone,
Like there is no integrity in the institutions. That means
the corporations, because it doesn't just mean that they're teaching

(01:30:58):
you critical race theory and that the doing like gay
Pride events. It's that like everybody's decision making process and
I'm broadbrush here in positions of leadership is focused around
non objective measures. It's about what feels good, it makes
their resume look better, and what's better for their personal
you know, cohesion, the like brown nosing and looking good

(01:31:21):
in the corporate setting. And that's how you get cracker
barrel lit on fire. That's how you get Star Wars
and Marvel. It wasn't necessarily because of the message. It's
that because a lot of people sat around a room
and said, well, it's okay if we talk about the
message in these things. And in Walmart, I was the
person whose job it was. I ran a team of
one hundred people to fix the issues with their delivery,

(01:31:43):
which are many. There are many, and we did it.
We fixed millions and millions of customer orders. We found
all of the things that these Indian engineers did wrong.
We brought all this attention to it. I basically made
myself a hero for the customer inside Walmart, and everybody
and leadership hated it. They just hated it. They wanted
I mean, they didn't want to know how bad it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Was, how bad the customer experience was. And see here,
what we do at this company is all we care
about is service. That is the old integrity of the
main street businessman where I come from. I live to
make relationships with my customers, and that's gone. That's part
of the hollowing out of the integrity. You know, when

(01:32:28):
I try to do business now, I can't even get
to human beings get caught up in these automatic you know,
receptionists press one for this, two for that, three for that.
It's such a devaluation of humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Yeah, then you go to the Philippines and somebody who
doesn't know, and then you provide them data about your
experience and they don't use it. I was the first
person to cross reference customer call data to upstream order
information in Walmart, the first person, and I only did
it in twenty nineteen. So it's like, not that longer goal.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
It's not that longer a goal.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
They had a twelve percent customer contact rate. This is
the second largest e commerce platform, twelve percent customer That
one in eight orders required somebody to get on the phone.
And I actually put in place an analytics program to
measure all the things wrong with the order. They hated it,
they wanted to go on. But over forty percent of

(01:33:24):
orders had at least one thing wrong with them in
Walmart when I was there. And I'm sure it's just
as bad, if not worse.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
But then what's even makes it really painful is when
the customer calls and nobody cares. And that's if we
could get one change in the society. One of the
things I'd like to see happen is is that we
care one for another, which is actually kind of a
Christian ideal. You know, treat your neighbor as you wish
to be treated, you know. We there are fundamentals that

(01:33:52):
are getting lost here, that are getting swept out in
what you called rent seeking.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah, Walmart's whole goal is to keep you off of
the phone with an American as long as possible because
it costs more money.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Yeah, this is a great way to end. It was
great to talk to you. The point is it's about
the money. We got to follow the money. And this
is kind of a perversion of the American way because
in America we were free to pursue our economy, you know, life, liberty,
and the pursuit used to be the pursuit of property.

(01:34:26):
They change the pursuit of happiness. But we have grown
up in a system which has been weaponized against itself. Yeah,
and you know that's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Great if you're a libertarian. I love those ideals. That's fine.
But if we lived in a libertarian country right now,
everything would be controlled by Amazon and Google. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
So what you're saying is is that the way the
system has been exploited is going to force us to
change the system to deal with the exploitation. And actually,
if I'm hearing you correctly, you're saying the wind us closing.
We have to move quickly to do this if we
want to do anything at all to keep the country
away from socialism. As this younger cohort grows older, do

(01:35:10):
I understand correctly your theory of the case.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
That's exactly it, And I try not to have my
hair catch too much on fire about it. But you know,
maybe I'm over selling the problem, But I think most
people listening are probably like, no, you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Well, we got we got it. We're gonna I hope
you come back. What we've got to do here is
in Minnesota, find a way to get younger people engaged
in politics. We have to find issues that create unity,
real unity. We got to get off the spectrum of
blue and red because that's just tying us up in
a meaningless fight. And while we're fighting with each other,

(01:35:49):
we're getting robbed. Here in Minnesota. They're up to six
or seven billion dollars of just fraught. And I'm going
to say again for everybody listening in Minnesota, still a
hundred million, that's a cruck six or seven billion. Follow
that money and then we're gonna really learn something. Mark
was so nice to meet you. I really enjoyed listening

(01:36:12):
to you, and I hope you'll come back because what
we need is some data. We need to organize our
efforts around what is the future of the electorate. So
I want to thank you for informing me. Sincerely, Tanner,
thank you for coming in this morning. Mark. We'll have

(01:36:33):
you back soon. Everybody, Can you please Mark share your
social media handles for the audience that might want to
follow you and I suggest that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Yeah, sure, I'd love to be back. I think one
of the things that could help is if there was
a national movement. It's not Maga like Trump can't fix
this all, and it's not the Republican Party. People need
to come together. I would love to help poll for
that organization and provide my insights. Maybe Elon can fund it.
I don't know, but something's got to happen to tie
all these grassroots together, and now's the time. But yeah,

(01:37:05):
honest Poster on Twitter and Rasmuss and Underscore Poll on
Twitter and YouTube just did like an hour and a
half video yesterday that kind of really steps through, like
more provides the numbers backing up like my theory of
the case, I go a lot more into the religion
to this like kind of existential struggle we're in. So
if people want to go check that out, it's help.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Tanner will be putting the links to your socials in
the description of the podcast. Thank you so much. I
wish you well. It was very enlightening for me. I
enjoyed listening to you tremendously. I'm sure the audience did.
I wish you well and as we stay here at
three People Radio. Godspeed to you, sir, Thanks so much,
great to be here. Thank you, Thanks Tanner of course,

(01:37:47):
have a good night everybody.

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