July 8, 2025 • 41 mins
The Diddy trial may be over, but the consequences from the courtroom remain to be seen.
Aubrey tells us what industry insiders are saying about Puff’s next move.
Could this be the beginning of more bad boy behavior?
While the crowd cheered for the ‘Dream Team,’ Aubrey reminds us that Cassie’s nightmare still resonates with victims everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ presents
Aubrey O'Day covering the Didty Trial. And my goodness, Aubrey,
you've had some time to reflect on the verdict that
left a lot of people shocked. A lot of people
were expecting it. Where did you fall? Were you anticipating
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this split verdict?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Not this split? No? I don't think many were not.
None of the serious journalists that were in the courtroom
that were reading the transcripts that I was in communication with,
we all were talking. I mean I was literally like
talking with Elizabeth Wagneister as she pops up on the
air with one of the verdicts. It just wasn't a
(00:53):
call that any of us made. We definitely thought that
Cassie's sex trafficking charge is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Wait, can I ask you there are we? Did you think?
Were you thinking that before we got word that they
had come to conclusion on four and were hung on racketeering.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So when that happened the night before, I'm on the
song with all the sources and everybody was actually reporting
like if I'm the prosecution I'm happy if I'm the defense,
I'm nervous. That's what was being reported like across the
board on every station. I was, I think watching ABC,
but and and one of my friends called me from
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NBC and she was like, this is good. That means
that if they are split on Rico, that they could
there's half to feel it did happen, and you know
number of them that feel it that it did happen.
That means that they would have had to have given
him guilty on the chargers that were lower. And that
was the thought that everybody was going with. But as
we crept into that morning, I started to analyze that
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thought and I was like, wait, if they have him
on any of the counts underneath that, and they have
them on if they got them on sex trafficking, you'd
have to get them on transport, right, both of them.
So then I was like, Okay, for sure the transport
is there. So then I thought of they have cassies,
(02:17):
which I thought they would. I think they did. Then
that would be three. You only need two for Rico.
So why is there anybody that is unsure about Rico?
And that's when I realized this isn't a good sign.
For the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, everybody, it sounds like that is what the defense
went through that same process too, because it was reported
the defense.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Was freaking out. Diddy was stressed out.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
He was, yes, but they were hugging and it wasn't
They were serious and they were concerned, and so he
seemed very worried. And then suddenly we see them walk
into court the next day and there is confidence. There's
a little bit of a According to the court reporters,
there was a little swagger in Diddy that wasn't there
the day before. So if they had the same late
night real ctization, wait a minute, they might not happen
(03:02):
on Sex Trafical.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
But imagine these are the best lawyers around, and imagine
that they have to have predicted every single call and
gone over every single possibility five million times. So they
amount that money they're making they better have, and yet
they didn't see it. So it kind of almost makes
me wonder, you know, I just don't. We're never going
(03:24):
to know what history is until it's history. We'll never
know what setups were until the setups occur. We'll never
understand truly how much reality we're really seeing until I
guess you're at the top, right, So I don't know.
I was told early on all kinds of different theories.
(03:45):
There was only one theory that led back to this
being the outcome, and I just thought it was too
QAnon ish to get into. But it was kind of
like a he did something that he shouldn't have done.
He took a misstep with his power and under estimate
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his opponent, and he will have to be humiliated in
front of the world. And as long as he doesn't
put on a defense and he doesn't name any other names,
that he would be able to get out of this
with a lost career in their minds. But what I
don't think they realize is that's not what Sindiddi's head.
In fact, if you missed the hot single, you could
(04:28):
have just looked outside the courtroom after the charges were
brought in and his son was performing it from the
speaker system inside of that big van that they've been
getting into, and the girlfriend was turned backwards twerking, and
then he got his shirt off, and then he did
push ups, and inside the courtroom they stood up and
applauded him, saying dream team, Dream Team. I don't know
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how much of a dream team. It was. They didn't
put on a defense mark at Niffholo's closing was straight
hot trash. He gave them a miraculous, beautiful environment to
work in. These girls were lined up waiting to be
in the freak off. They were waiting for a chance
to get pissed on. Cassie and Diddy were equals. They
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were Bonnie and Clyde. This is your everyday messy love that.
And this is a man that did not. And he
did a good job at that video, which was a
strong point he made it. I didn't give them the
money to pay them off because I was protecting the enterprise.
I did it because I was protecting my reputation. That
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turns this case into a First Amendment case in one sentence.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, these guys arbor. From the legal standpoint, folks are
going to be breaking this down forever. Can I just
asked you, from an emotional standpoint, felt not breaking down
count one thing through four five, just after we went
through all this, to hear the verdicts and the Diddy
as possibly going through maybe spend an extra year in
prison at most, maybe an extra four that's your emotional reaction.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
To hearing it I don't know if that's true. I'm
hoping that it's not. We shall see my initial reaction.
I was literally on like I was doing, I'm doing
another TV show. So I had a press day that day,
so I was on Inside Edition. It came in as
I was about to start going. I think I said
fuck sixteen times during that interview. Most of it was unusable,
(06:23):
and so I just decided to cut press for the day,
and then I did a I didn't get to speak
with you guys on Verdic day, and so I spoke
with Elizabeth Wagmeister and I cried and talked about how
I felt with her.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It was just an overwhelming feeling of emotion. Just you
were what did you did you want guilty on all counts?
Do you think that's that would have felt like justice
to you?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, the woman on Inside Edition asked me what justice is,
and I said, it's funny. I got asked that the
first day by TJ and Amy, and it was you know,
I want the prosecution to prove through the law what
the charges that they indicted him on in theyre ninety
five percent the southern districts. I don't expect them to
not do that. Then it was my personal feelings as
(07:10):
I got towards the end of the trial and was
doing interviews for this other TV show, which were yes
everything and now justice to me would look like one
woman coming forward and having people just believe her because
good luck. Now, But what do we do? Do you
think this is a setback? You're saying for women and
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women to be a setback on a magnificent scale. This
will have a chilling effect on abuse survivors long past
the time I'm gone. You know, Malcolm X, I was
actually listening to this YouTube Bertisa tells, but she said
in Malcolm X quote which is Black women are the
most disrespected, unprotected, and neglected women of everyone. And then
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she said, that's not just for black woman anymore. That's
for all women now. So start taking notes, start taking receipts,
start taking pictures, start turning in people that are doing
bad things. Immediately, all we have is each other. Now.
We need to stay diligent, we need to stay on
top of it, and we need to stay protecting each other.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Aubrey, do you you know you have been outspoken and
we've talked about this from the beginning, about your experience
and what you are investigating about your own situation? Do
you feel do you feel I don't want to say silence,
but do you feel like you might not want to
move forward, that it doesn't feel worth it? Does it?
(08:43):
Does it make you feel less likely to speak up
and speak out?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Do you feel this?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I mean, the screw is just such a probably not
a strong enough word, but how does it impact your
wanting to move forward? And you're wanting to find out
and investigate what happened to you?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
What may have happened to you?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So kind I haven't gotten to that exactly yet, but
I've gotten to versions of it. Somebody asked me a
question about my experience with one specific category that day,
and I said, I'm so sorry. I can't talk about
that because it's just not safe to talk about that anymore.
(09:21):
This is what coersion looks like. What I told you guys,
it's going to be a systematic coersion. So many very
powerful men that are in the music industry that I've
been talking to during this entire trial, who know exactly
what it is, said to me along the way, many
different things, but at the very end said you're gonna
(09:43):
need to like lift the narrative a bit and go
a bit toward the opening up, toward ditty vibe. If
you want to stay working exactly what I just said,
They feel that I need to lean in.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
To the There's a possibility that Ditty's are great. There's
a possibility that the sun dancing naked with his shirt off,
and the girlfriend torqu and putting her ass out and
doing the pushups and applodding in the middle of a
federal court and screaming dream Team.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And Ditty is love and all this that and the
other that there's a world in which all of that
is like kind of okay, because you got to start
leaning into someone that's going to get right back into
a very powerful position.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Wait a minute, you're you're being advised to soften your
tone about Ditty because he's a there's a feeling he's
about to go back to being a very influential person
the music industry.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Not even a feeling. It's like, I'm not saying in
the music industry, but I think he'll he'll definitely get
back in there. My thing was, I didn't even know
he had released that. I said. I had said it
in jest to like a reporter that I know. Oh,
he'll have an album out before the end of this year,
and then she's like I said, him and Kanye West,
we're gonna get together. Likely potentially we know who Kanye's
(11:06):
good friends are you on and Trump, he likes to
hang out with a lot. I think this could likely
start to become the narrative of the new man, the
new male. I think it becomes like a type of situation,
like we said with Neo, just start bringing them out.
I got five women. There's Little Dancer, Tiny Girl, Chocolate sweets,
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and sugar coated candy. These are my four wives or
girlfriends whatever they were called. Member. We found their names
during one of our podcasts. Yes, that's what I think.
I think it's gonna be like do it out in
the open. I am so so so sad for and
people keep driving this home for women, and it is
for women, but it also is for men and artists too.
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That's why in my statement I said at the very end,
like y'all, twelve people can do what you do, but
no artists, no woman or man is owned and the
property of the most wealthy, rich or famous or powerful person. Ever,
never will we be We are not disposable. Ditty is
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really smart and he's very powerful. R. Kelly is a
completely different type of powerful than Diddy. And these are
the same people that took our Kelly down. But it's
a whole different thing, and we witnessed the whole different thing.
We witnessed witnesses dropping out. I mean, the whole ending
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of the trial was fascinating for me. One, I find
out a number, allegedly of how much is being paid
for those overflow rooms to sound. And look the way
they were sounding. The overflow rooms were very pro Diddy.
They stood up and started chanting his name and free
Diddy and freedom and you know, free at last, screaming, yelling,
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jumping up in the air. I've heard a dollar amount
on you know what people were paid outside the courtroom,
inside the courtroom, inside the overflow rooms. And there were
many times in this case where even it was brought
to the judge that journalists YouTube, you know, the new
journalist is YouTubers and tiktoks. They are the new people now.
(13:25):
They were saying like, if you get reached to any
of these people and I find out, I will prosecute
and I will put people behind bars, Like there were
people reaching out to YouTubers, to influencers to change the
dialogue of the tone. Shit. There were people just saying,
I'm wearing this free ditty shirt because somebody came up
to me and paid me this much money and I
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need it and I put it on, Like the amount
of money that went into the campaign is astonishing. And
then to see for me, it was a little bit
of tell, a little bit of a tell. And I
said this to you guys early on the eight pack
of white women with no diversity, not even a mix,
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that to me felt like, how could people that are
that smart be so unaware of optics? Frankly, Jane Doe
needs to stay out the way of female advocates because
I might go remind myself of how Baddies was and
throw some fucking paws on her. For the amount of
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harm that she did to this trial. I think she
did so much harm that people started to not really
feel as strongly about Cassie. They kept her on the
stand longer, and she did a lot of damage.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
How much do you hold the responsibility for the prosecutors
for even putting her up there? To your point, she
didn't have to be there unless they put her there
and once she got there, yeh, she'd warm. But that
was their call.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I look at it like this. I think their case
was falling apart in front of their eyes. I feel,
like I said, when I took the el Sat, there
was like a leak in the ceiling and it was
dripping on me, and I was having a hard time
reading and remembering all the details in this very long thing.
Part of the el Sat is like long comprehension reading
and then remembering small things. Because there was a noise
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and there was water dripping on my shoulder. I think
that's what happened to them. There was a crack in
the ceiling early on. And do you know what that
crack is? Money? Power, influence. You have people like Young
Miami reposting and putting hearts on people saying, glad you
aren't acting like a victim crying over some bullshit and
you're doing it and getting your thing popping. Okay, Well
that's a girlfriend and the single with his son saying
(15:40):
we got money, we'll always get away with everything. Y'all
don't have the money we have. Y'all don't have the
power we have. These are the lyrics. Okay, So when
that occurs, and then that weekend TMZ, which is known
to be very pro Ditty during this trial. Let's just
all stop fucking acting like everybody else is saying it.
(16:00):
I'll just say it for my own self. They were
getting pro Diddy during this trial. It was a very
quick verdict. It's too ethnic for me. There's a lot
of things that just don't look right.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Is it okay? Should we be criticizing the jury though.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Everybody says not to Everybody always says you can't blame
the jury. You can't blame the jury. I don't know.
To me, I'm not in a profession where I'm gonna
take heat for questioning the jury. I was convinced the
whole time I was in the band with her, I
had no idea who she really was. She was doing
these fucking freak off for fuck's sake, according to her
(16:36):
in her lawsuit. So to me, it's like, I think
I saw a path where you could insert yourself in
this trial if you wanted to, through the justice system,
and I think there were inserts that were just damning. Obviously,
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Jane is just she's receiving payments from Diddy still, whether
it be for her home or her lawyer. She's being
paid for by Diddy. She threw this case really bad,
really really bad. Why the prosecution was putting her up
there and do with that type of damage. They were
trying to establish a pattern, but I don't think they
realized all the other things that she could establish as well.
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And how long they kept her on was so damning
because people stopped when Casey was done. Everybody sent from
the courtroom to the podcast, we were like, that was horrific.
She took accountability, she said, the good and the bad.
I can't even come for her. I was nervous she
was going to try to skip around things and act
innocent like she didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What are the conversations like and the feelings and everybody
you talked to about Cassy even to a fine Now,
she's a tough one to reconsile. A lot of it's
tough to reconcile.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think you know, her lawyer said this, she was
doing fine and that she feels good that she was
part of at least bringing this man somewhere close to
some acknowledgment of who he is. And we all have
to agree that he would have gone and gotten his
Grammy inside last February he would have gone on with
this love movement and all. There's many civil suits during
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the Love trial where people are claiming to have been
raped and really chaotic drugs, a lot of the same
things we were hearing in this trial, but to extreme
degrees when it's not a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Aubrey, I'm curious what you think about, Like, I know,
you talked a little bit about the jurors, and you
talked a little bit about the money and the power,
But what about the prosecution in terms of choosing the
charges that they decided to go with. I mean, we've
been talking and discussing why not and I don't know
if it's federal or state charges, but why not pursue
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the charges that we know he committed that are provable
and indisputable assault, you know, all of things, you know,
the drug use, all of these things that could have
put them away for quite some time with actions that
he didn't even dispute, that he admitted to freely.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Because in my opinion, they saw exactly what I saw,
an organization of people that were committing crimes periods, and
that's a really scary thing and it doesn't look like
the mob anymore. We might just see a whole point
of white folks. Naga, We did see white folks doing it.
Jeffrey Epstein, whatever the fuck the fat guy is, who's
(19:35):
in there now in the movie industry. Yeah, they're they're
starting to really like move around and take bigger looks.
We're not looking as a society yet, though, We're we're
still asking why did they go back? We just literally saw,
We just saw literally on display in front of the world.
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We basically watched the National comm conversation about trauma, bonding
and the persistence of love, force abuse and toxic relationships.
And yet the audience is still asking, well, why did
they go back? We haven't even wrapped our heads around
that shit. Some women until I explained it to them,
they were like, man, I've done that, And I'm like, yeah,
(20:19):
she just did it to extreme degrees because that's what
did He liked extreme degrees of everything. But but either way, like,
I've read so many statements from people that are scared
to death. The chef scared to death told the judge
thank you for not that day, like hearing that he
could be going home that day. Every I don't know
(20:41):
how many like be careful, stay safe. Everybody called me
that I know that's on the victims side, and what
just looked at me on FaceTime and just were like,
he's always been untouchable and he remains that way.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Is that the problem here in this case? To that? Unfortunately,
that's there were complexities in context necessary. But everybody looks
at this as Diddy one and he got away with
abusing women and that's just it. So this sets us
all back. Do you do you think it's as simple
as that in this conversation or a lot more contexts
needs to be involved in there's a.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Lot more context That would be the opinion of someone
that just read some headlines. If you actually if you read,
I read every single civil soon to.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Your point, don't most people just read headlines as unfortunate
it is?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And maybe that's how the jury. I don't know if
the jury interpreted you just to understand they went home,
they weren't sequestered. You don't know what they looked at
or so I'll tell you right now, don't put me
on a jury, because if I get on a jury
and I'm not sequestered, I'm going to ask my man
to look every little thing up and tell me what
he's seen in his phone.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oliver, that's going to get you out of jury duty.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's fine, But I really like, I don't know how anyone.
All we live in is a tech savvy world where
everybody's on their phone, to stay off of it and
not see anything about this trial sounds ridiculous to me.
But again, if this were just a ritualistic punishment for
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we just there are so many levels of power that
are just will forever be so unknown. There are so
many levels of power. You guys have seen the levels
that you've seen. You've seen what gets away at those levels,
and you've seen how an audience of people receives those levels.
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And I'm sure that you guys have your own conversations
about how little you two can do as journalists to
ever really bridge that gap. Now think five billion times
past you, guys, because that's where Diddy's at. And then
think five billion times past him, because that's where the
white man is at, you know, the one who runs
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our country. The courts are making bad calls that are
putting a lot of people's lives in danger in politics
and in entertainment. I said this to you guys in
the beginning. They are mirroring each other right now. If
there is anyone out there that is watching the news
unfold with either of those two places, media and politics,
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and they agree with what is occurring, and they agree
with the court's positioning on the things that are happening
right now, please say the fuck away from me, all
the way to fuck away from me. Please go sound
don't breathe on me. I don't want to catch it.
I don't even want to fucking catch it. If it
means I don't get to have a career, fine, y'all,
(23:43):
motherfuckers have I've been miserable in this life. It is
not a beautiful, wonderful life. It wasn't for any of
the girls that took that stand. Diddy did not offer
a wonderful experience where you've got to have the most insane, cool,
brilliant job ever. Like Mark Agniffolo, let's hope karm is
not real for his sake, But either way, like and
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that's he's doing, that's his job. But like I've said
this many times when I've been on this podcast, that's
a fucking dirty job. It's a stump, it's a scumbag job.
And and and there is not anyone that I have
spoken to that thinks did he is a reformed man.
He might. He might create a whole narrative though of reformation.
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He's great at at rebranding and redirecting. I think his
smartest move will be in redirecting all of his abilities
into his children and making money off of them and
branding them out there in the world. Is the new it, this,
that and the other? Because I I don't know what's
(24:47):
part of his deal that he did with the Devil,
because everybody does them.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, Aubrey, it's interesting you mentioned because Mark Adnifilo did
an interview with the AP over the weekend and he
talks a little bit about what Diddy is going to
do when he gets out of prison and whether.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Oh yeah, what's that you have a documentary and album?
You already released the album.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, he said, he said he's going straight to a
clinic where he was going to re enter a rehabilitation
center for domestic abusers, for people who abuse. So do
you think that he is capable of rehabilitation?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
First of all, if you watch in court when the
first of all, here's my theories on it. Those two
days where everyone reported him being scared of shit. His
lawyer's telling him, look, this is what's coming in and
him being like shocked. They said, he looked like he
was going to vomit, like his face flushed, and there
are people that had eyes directly on his entire team
and him. I think you do a deal with the devil.
(25:57):
They promised you. You don't put on a defense, you
don't throw anyone else under. You'll get away. But you
never know if that's really gonna work until it works, right,
I've never done a deal with the devil, but I
can assume you don't really trust the devil. But at
a certain point, maybe you get locked so caught up
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in a situation that you got to make a deal,
but you don't really know if the devil's gonna screw you.
And at the end of the day, what I watched
was this like steer and then this release, and we
all saw how he went out. When the jury was
released and they got their instructions, he stood up and
said the judge to the judge, you did a great job, sir.
I'm feeling great. Good job on this case. Good job
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this freak out has been. You did a good job.
I've managed like what they said. I asked, I asked, Elizabeth,
did the judge look like, what the fuck? And she
was like, he gave an uncomfortable like okay. And I
was like, was it like a long one like flattery
or was it a short one like I've never had
anyone do that. This is weird as shit. And if
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she said the first like, it was weird as shit.
And so then then when they say he said that
he wasn't gonna let him go for his own, his own,
his own defense team's reasons throughout the case, they said,
he looks shocked and then he raised his hand in
court and and asked to speak to the judge. And
then Mark ran back, was like, whoa, he wants to
(27:22):
speak to you directly. Hold on vibity bobbity vivity, bobbity
vivity bobbity. And then did he sat down? He probably
said something like, are you trying to fuck with the
system again, sir? We already saw where this got you
the first time. Sit the fuck down. So frankly, in
my opinion, it's gonna be really hard for him to
go and have uh some therapist talk with him about
(27:46):
domestic violence and his alcohol and drug problems. He's got
his sons outside of court singing their hit song. Yo,
We're rich, We're rich, We're famous. Where we always get
away with everything? Hose what looking my bitch tworked? Hey?
We have that going on outside. We have fucking people
pouring baby oil all over themselves outside of a federal building.
(28:10):
You have people inside clapping, standing and screaming. Dream team,
dream team. This team wasn't did jack shit? I mean
Ojay's team. That's a dream team. The glove doesn't have fit.
Don't make sure you don't take your diabetes medication. Make
sure that glove. That shit was genius. You can't hate that.
(28:30):
That was actually a genius play. There was nothing genius
that occurred. Mark Agnicholo's clothing was horrible. In my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It worked, though, didn't it. This guy was facing life
in prison. He might be out. I mean he thought
he was going to be out last week. He was
facing life. Now. They're a strategy and all this, but
didn't it work. Whatever they did, it worked on these
twelve people that they were in the room with.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And then maybe someday we will understand all the reasons
why there are systems at play that are much bigger
than you, that make decisions about you, that make choices
about you, that make calls on you, And depending on
what level you're on, you will be dismissed. If they
want to dismiss you, and if you're causing problems or
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they really just don't like you, don't throw a little
bit of pr in the miss and dirry your name
up a bit.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So you're saying there was something undwards or something else
going on with this jury, you don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Listen, we know all the way up until the very
first day of jury selection that witnesses were just going missing.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I mean, r were you thinking there's something like something
was going on with this jury? Like you're saying, this
is not a legit vert verdict, because.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I think the jury was pretty They all have like
pretty good resumes. I didn't I saw people that, like,
I didn't see anything funny in that regard. What I'm
saying to you is, first of all, jury, a lot
of jury deliberations are sign of the times. We are
normalizing case US right now. We are also normalizing that
the political and celebrity world are bonkers, shit crazy and
(30:07):
do weird ass shit that ain't my life. Though we
are also at a time where we are really on
the messaging that ain't my shit, though I'm worried about
me myself and I I've seen very few people along
this way. True, we give a fuck about me, but
they all want me to show up when it's time
to show up. So at the end of the day,
if that's where we live in and that's what it is,
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and that's the mentality, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You have, you will you change how you operate, how
you live your life? Is there fear you said people
were checking in on you?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You okay, I'm low hanging fruit. I'm low hanging fruit.
I wouldn't. I don't think that I would. I would
wait to see what happens with the girls civil trial
before I would come forward and say anything.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I will.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I will always allow my story to be heard at
the right time. But do I care to know the answer? No,
it won't matter. And the feeling of knowing the answer
and it not mattering, it's so horrible. It's just better
to leave it alone, especially if it's not, like you know,
(31:20):
bringing sickness to my life. And then I don't know,
I mean, it's just another gut punch like the one
we saw him give Cassie at the Inner Continental. We're
used to taking them. I got used to taking them
at a very young age. It hurts every time you're embarrassed,
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you're humiliated, you feel like shit is a person. You
think about it all day long, you obsess You ask
all of your friends of your about your work and
your credibility. And I guess if you spend enough of
your life being around that toxic shit, you kind of
just start to learn who you are and not give
a fuck about anybody else for their opinions.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
It has been fascinating to witness this and watch this
trial with you and through your lens and your experience
and the people you know, from Don Richard to Ditty
himself and I know that.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And Kassie and Caprick, Jakie, Jane Doe and the other
will Mia.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, it's it's deeply personal to you and for you,
and so we just I just want to say thank
you for being vulnerable, for being open to sharing your experiences,
how you're.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Feeling, what the people who.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You know, who know more than any of us what
really was going on in that world. I just want
to say thank you because it's brave of you to
speak out and to speak your truth, and I think
it will empower a lot of folks who are on
the fence or who don't feel comfortable saying how they
feel or what happened to them.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
For a message for those people, You're welcome, thank you.
A message to those people would be this is far
from over. It's far from over. R Kelly had a
victory lap, so did oj did. He's getting one right now.
Who you are and how you treat other people is
(33:15):
your karma in life. And we've missed the first round
on many players, so I think the karma will catch up.
And there are still no lawsuit has pulled out yet,
(33:35):
no civil lawsuit has pulled out yet. And there was
another one filed and it involves STDs now, so now
we're finally getting into the STD part about this that
I told you guys from the beginning, but it wasn't
entering the conversation until the end. But like I said,
you can't get people STDs without their knowledge. So that's
going to bring forward a whole lot of other problems
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for a lot of people too.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Give us enough that a positive or something we can
take from what we just went through for eight weeks
and take and do something positive with it moving forward.
Give us something because this is always it's no winners
and no losers. That's saying something like everybody lost. I
mean except for getting to be quite honest with me,
to be facing life not taking as much.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
If he were reformable and this were you were surrounded
by people that are gonna hold him accountable. We don't
have anyone just taking accountability at this point for their behavior.
I've been doing jobs for the past couple of months
where there is no accountability for behavior. It just get
blamed on this person or this person, but no one
(34:43):
just holds himselves accountable, and it's like, hey, it's just
this We for some reason think that we can't ever
be wrong, as if any human isn't flawed. We need
to start holding ourselves accountable. But accountability, unfortunately, is not
a silver lining I can give to you because the reaction,
the family, the twerking, the song, the rap performance, all
(35:05):
of the movements are showing me the accountability is just garbage.
There just out of respect for understanding that my father
or son had done everything that I had just heard
for two months, I would feel I guess if that's
the type of mom or parent, you are good in
your heart that your kid's not going away for life.
But I certainly wouldn't stand and applaud him like you
(35:26):
are king, sir, standing ovation, sir, brilliant what you just did?
Hit her again? Give me another video, actually, pull the
one with a freak op where Kassie's choking on piss,
so your daughter can watch it one more time. There's
no accountability over there, and the money will come back
(35:47):
and the shit will get more reckless, and Kanye and
Diddy and Trump and Trump might pardon him. We could
see that on the final amount of the charges. If
that doesn't happen, I think the judge is probably pretty
DISCRB and I don't think like time served would be
his direction if he's a fair guy.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I agree with him that the judge seemed to be
shook by a lot of self eavens. You can hear
it in the truck.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, just the fact that did he raised his
hand to speak with him about his decision. Crazy. That's
crazy talk, very very very but but I think I
think reform for them isn't in the pictures. I think
revenge and slowly and you know, but I'm not on
(36:38):
video and not with your fingerprints on the Malotov cocktail certainly.
But like I think it's I don't think it's going
to be good. I'm not high up on that list.
But I know everybody. I know everybody that is silver
lining TJ. Gott. I've been asking myself that for days now.
Silver lining.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I mean he's been coming. I mean with the Ember
heard Johnny Depp, even with you go back to I mean,
the me Too movement, we were supposed to learn something
and do better on the next one that came around.
I guess what can we all did better?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I spoke with the woman. I spoke with a person
that spoke interviewed the woman who started me to about
this trial, and she said, sexual abuse charges are rarely
ever brought to a federal level. They're almost impossible to
try because of the piece that lost them on this side,
which is that coercion piece. Who do you believe the
(37:36):
person this one or that one? Do you believe what
they wrote or do you believe what they're telling you
they intended when they wrote something. They're just so hard
to prove, And it's always, it's always, do you believe
this person. Yeah, you know, we believed Cassie and then
unfortunately we had to believe Jane Doe, and she made
it very hard to even like to see it any
(37:57):
other type of way. I think on purpose that Grol
should stay in hiding or so she'll price be at
Ditty's house with young Miami waiting in a fucking vat
of baby oil. But I think the silver lining is
what she said. These sexual abuse cases against women rarely
get tried at sedal levels. We're not winning them yet.
(38:19):
Women are never made president, but we've had some pretty
great ones try. Unfair shit is happening in the workplace
that is disturbing, disgusting and downright abusive, and it's still occurring.
You think me too. And a whole lot of things
would have stopped people from putting things in writing that
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are abusive, like you're not worth any of my time,
You're not worth a dollar a cent to even talk to.
That was written to me in the past month. It's
crazy to put things like that in writing. But unfortunately,
there are a lot of people that have power that
are still working it in ways that are horrific and disgusting.
I think I guess I'd go with her silver lining
(39:04):
for now. But I don't think Diddy's reformed, and I
think that he got his first victory lap and I
think there's more to come. This is not the end.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I think that could be the positive too, that the
fact that, yes we're talking about it, if sting discussed.
There hasn't been a victory, so to speak. But he
is behind bars right now and he will stay there
for some time. And that's something. It's not everything, but
it's something, and now.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Silver lining could be. Look around you and ask people
what they feel about this trial. If you're dating a
man that's now all of a sudden wearing free Ditty
shirts and is like out there, can you imagine? Did
you see how alive everyone became when he got off
on the bigger charges? Y'all were silent. This man didn't
have one person to back him, no one to take
the stand for him. Nobody wanted to touch him, nobody
(39:54):
in the entertainment. If there are people coming forward now,
like Cassie, you was a hoe and you know it.
You were doing shit just like him and both y'all,
I mean, Doc Funk Master Fletch just wrote that and
like a public message, I would say, like start watching
who's saying what, and women take notes, and if you're
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dating any of them or in sexual relations or emotional
relationships with them, be very very careful or in my opinion,
get the fuck away immediately before they take too much
of you.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I mean, there is a lesson for a lot of
folks out there, and women specifically. Aubrey, thank you. Thank
you for folks through this trial helping us understand better
and hope all of our listeners appreciated just all of
the insights that you were able to provide.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Aubrey. Just want to say thank you all for listening.
I mean you robot On, behalf of my partner T J. Holmes,
and Aubrey O'Day, thank you, thank you, thank you for
coming along this journey with us.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Thank you guys. A
Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ presents
Aubrey O'Day covering the Didty Trial. And my goodness, Aubrey,
you've had some time to reflect on the verdict that
left a lot of people shocked. A lot of people
were expecting it. Where did you fall? Were you anticipating
(00:30):
this split verdict?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Not this split? No? I don't think many were not.
None of the serious journalists that were in the courtroom
that were reading the transcripts that I was in communication with,
we all were talking. I mean I was literally like
talking with Elizabeth Wagneister as she pops up on the
air with one of the verdicts. It just wasn't a
(00:53):
call that any of us made. We definitely thought that
Cassie's sex trafficking charge is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Wait, can I ask you there are we? Did you think?
Were you thinking that before we got word that they
had come to conclusion on four and were hung on racketeering.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So when that happened the night before, I'm on the
song with all the sources and everybody was actually reporting
like if I'm the prosecution I'm happy if I'm the defense,
I'm nervous. That's what was being reported like across the
board on every station. I was, I think watching ABC,
but and and one of my friends called me from
(01:34):
NBC and she was like, this is good. That means
that if they are split on Rico, that they could
there's half to feel it did happen, and you know
number of them that feel it that it did happen.
That means that they would have had to have given
him guilty on the chargers that were lower. And that
was the thought that everybody was going with. But as
we crept into that morning, I started to analyze that
(01:56):
thought and I was like, wait, if they have him
on any of the counts underneath that, and they have
them on if they got them on sex trafficking, you'd
have to get them on transport, right, both of them.
So then I was like, Okay, for sure the transport
is there. So then I thought of they have cassies,
(02:17):
which I thought they would. I think they did. Then
that would be three. You only need two for Rico.
So why is there anybody that is unsure about Rico?
And that's when I realized this isn't a good sign.
For the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, everybody, it sounds like that is what the defense
went through that same process too, because it was reported
the defense.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Was freaking out. Diddy was stressed out.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
He was, yes, but they were hugging and it wasn't
They were serious and they were concerned, and so he
seemed very worried. And then suddenly we see them walk
into court the next day and there is confidence. There's
a little bit of a According to the court reporters,
there was a little swagger in Diddy that wasn't there
the day before. So if they had the same late
night real ctization, wait a minute, they might not happen
(03:02):
on Sex Trafical.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
But imagine these are the best lawyers around, and imagine
that they have to have predicted every single call and
gone over every single possibility five million times. So they
amount that money they're making they better have, and yet
they didn't see it. So it kind of almost makes
me wonder, you know, I just don't. We're never going
(03:24):
to know what history is until it's history. We'll never
know what setups were until the setups occur. We'll never
understand truly how much reality we're really seeing until I
guess you're at the top, right, So I don't know.
I was told early on all kinds of different theories.
(03:45):
There was only one theory that led back to this
being the outcome, and I just thought it was too
QAnon ish to get into. But it was kind of
like a he did something that he shouldn't have done.
He took a misstep with his power and under estimate
(04:06):
his opponent, and he will have to be humiliated in
front of the world. And as long as he doesn't
put on a defense and he doesn't name any other names,
that he would be able to get out of this
with a lost career in their minds. But what I
don't think they realize is that's not what Sindiddi's head.
In fact, if you missed the hot single, you could
(04:28):
have just looked outside the courtroom after the charges were
brought in and his son was performing it from the
speaker system inside of that big van that they've been
getting into, and the girlfriend was turned backwards twerking, and
then he got his shirt off, and then he did
push ups, and inside the courtroom they stood up and
applauded him, saying dream team, Dream Team. I don't know
(04:51):
how much of a dream team. It was. They didn't
put on a defense mark at Niffholo's closing was straight
hot trash. He gave them a miraculous, beautiful environment to
work in. These girls were lined up waiting to be
in the freak off. They were waiting for a chance
to get pissed on. Cassie and Diddy were equals. They
(05:12):
were Bonnie and Clyde. This is your everyday messy love that.
And this is a man that did not. And he
did a good job at that video, which was a
strong point he made it. I didn't give them the
money to pay them off because I was protecting the enterprise.
I did it because I was protecting my reputation. That
(05:33):
turns this case into a First Amendment case in one sentence.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, these guys arbor. From the legal standpoint, folks are
going to be breaking this down forever. Can I just
asked you, from an emotional standpoint, felt not breaking down
count one thing through four five, just after we went
through all this, to hear the verdicts and the Diddy
as possibly going through maybe spend an extra year in
prison at most, maybe an extra four that's your emotional reaction.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
To hearing it I don't know if that's true. I'm
hoping that it's not. We shall see my initial reaction.
I was literally on like I was doing, I'm doing
another TV show. So I had a press day that day,
so I was on Inside Edition. It came in as
I was about to start going. I think I said
fuck sixteen times during that interview. Most of it was unusable,
(06:23):
and so I just decided to cut press for the day,
and then I did a I didn't get to speak
with you guys on Verdic day, and so I spoke
with Elizabeth Wagmeister and I cried and talked about how
I felt with her.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It was just an overwhelming feeling of emotion. Just you
were what did you did you want guilty on all counts?
Do you think that's that would have felt like justice
to you?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, the woman on Inside Edition asked me what justice is,
and I said, it's funny. I got asked that the
first day by TJ and Amy, and it was you know,
I want the prosecution to prove through the law what
the charges that they indicted him on in theyre ninety
five percent the southern districts. I don't expect them to
not do that. Then it was my personal feelings as
(07:10):
I got towards the end of the trial and was
doing interviews for this other TV show, which were yes
everything and now justice to me would look like one
woman coming forward and having people just believe her because
good luck. Now, But what do we do? Do you
think this is a setback? You're saying for women and
(07:34):
women to be a setback on a magnificent scale. This
will have a chilling effect on abuse survivors long past
the time I'm gone. You know, Malcolm X, I was
actually listening to this YouTube Bertisa tells, but she said
in Malcolm X quote which is Black women are the
most disrespected, unprotected, and neglected women of everyone. And then
(07:57):
she said, that's not just for black woman anymore. That's
for all women now. So start taking notes, start taking receipts,
start taking pictures, start turning in people that are doing
bad things. Immediately, all we have is each other. Now.
We need to stay diligent, we need to stay on
top of it, and we need to stay protecting each other.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Aubrey, do you you know you have been outspoken and
we've talked about this from the beginning, about your experience
and what you are investigating about your own situation? Do
you feel do you feel I don't want to say silence,
but do you feel like you might not want to
move forward, that it doesn't feel worth it? Does it?
(08:43):
Does it make you feel less likely to speak up
and speak out?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Do you feel this?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I mean, the screw is just such a probably not
a strong enough word, but how does it impact your
wanting to move forward? And you're wanting to find out
and investigate what happened to you?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
What may have happened to you?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So kind I haven't gotten to that exactly yet, but
I've gotten to versions of it. Somebody asked me a
question about my experience with one specific category that day,
and I said, I'm so sorry. I can't talk about
that because it's just not safe to talk about that anymore.
(09:21):
This is what coersion looks like. What I told you guys,
it's going to be a systematic coersion. So many very
powerful men that are in the music industry that I've
been talking to during this entire trial, who know exactly
what it is, said to me along the way, many
different things, but at the very end said you're gonna
(09:43):
need to like lift the narrative a bit and go
a bit toward the opening up, toward ditty vibe. If
you want to stay working exactly what I just said,
They feel that I need to lean in.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
To the There's a possibility that Ditty's are great. There's
a possibility that the sun dancing naked with his shirt off,
and the girlfriend torqu and putting her ass out and
doing the pushups and applodding in the middle of a
federal court and screaming dream Team.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And Ditty is love and all this that and the
other that there's a world in which all of that
is like kind of okay, because you got to start
leaning into someone that's going to get right back into
a very powerful position.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Wait a minute, you're you're being advised to soften your
tone about Ditty because he's a there's a feeling he's
about to go back to being a very influential person
the music industry.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Not even a feeling. It's like, I'm not saying in
the music industry, but I think he'll he'll definitely get
back in there. My thing was, I didn't even know
he had released that. I said. I had said it
in jest to like a reporter that I know. Oh,
he'll have an album out before the end of this year,
and then she's like I said, him and Kanye West,
we're gonna get together. Likely potentially we know who Kanye's
(11:06):
good friends are you on and Trump, he likes to
hang out with a lot. I think this could likely
start to become the narrative of the new man, the
new male. I think it becomes like a type of situation,
like we said with Neo, just start bringing them out.
I got five women. There's Little Dancer, Tiny Girl, Chocolate sweets,
(11:26):
and sugar coated candy. These are my four wives or
girlfriends whatever they were called. Member. We found their names
during one of our podcasts. Yes, that's what I think.
I think it's gonna be like do it out in
the open. I am so so so sad for and
people keep driving this home for women, and it is
for women, but it also is for men and artists too.
(11:50):
That's why in my statement I said at the very end,
like y'all, twelve people can do what you do, but
no artists, no woman or man is owned and the
property of the most wealthy, rich or famous or powerful person. Ever,
never will we be We are not disposable. Ditty is
(12:20):
really smart and he's very powerful. R. Kelly is a
completely different type of powerful than Diddy. And these are
the same people that took our Kelly down. But it's
a whole different thing, and we witnessed the whole different thing.
We witnessed witnesses dropping out. I mean, the whole ending
(12:41):
of the trial was fascinating for me. One, I find
out a number, allegedly of how much is being paid
for those overflow rooms to sound. And look the way
they were sounding. The overflow rooms were very pro Diddy.
They stood up and started chanting his name and free
Diddy and freedom and you know, free at last, screaming, yelling,
(13:04):
jumping up in the air. I've heard a dollar amount
on you know what people were paid outside the courtroom,
inside the courtroom, inside the overflow rooms. And there were
many times in this case where even it was brought
to the judge that journalists YouTube, you know, the new
journalist is YouTubers and tiktoks. They are the new people now.
(13:25):
They were saying like, if you get reached to any
of these people and I find out, I will prosecute
and I will put people behind bars, Like there were
people reaching out to YouTubers, to influencers to change the
dialogue of the tone. Shit. There were people just saying,
I'm wearing this free ditty shirt because somebody came up
to me and paid me this much money and I
(13:46):
need it and I put it on, Like the amount
of money that went into the campaign is astonishing. And
then to see for me, it was a little bit
of tell, a little bit of a tell. And I
said this to you guys early on the eight pack
of white women with no diversity, not even a mix,
(14:07):
that to me felt like, how could people that are
that smart be so unaware of optics? Frankly, Jane Doe
needs to stay out the way of female advocates because
I might go remind myself of how Baddies was and
throw some fucking paws on her. For the amount of
(14:29):
harm that she did to this trial. I think she
did so much harm that people started to not really
feel as strongly about Cassie. They kept her on the
stand longer, and she did a lot of damage.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
How much do you hold the responsibility for the prosecutors
for even putting her up there? To your point, she
didn't have to be there unless they put her there
and once she got there, yeh, she'd warm. But that
was their call.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I look at it like this. I think their case
was falling apart in front of their eyes. I feel,
like I said, when I took the el Sat, there
was like a leak in the ceiling and it was
dripping on me, and I was having a hard time
reading and remembering all the details in this very long thing.
Part of the el Sat is like long comprehension reading
and then remembering small things. Because there was a noise
(15:17):
and there was water dripping on my shoulder. I think
that's what happened to them. There was a crack in
the ceiling early on. And do you know what that
crack is? Money? Power, influence. You have people like Young
Miami reposting and putting hearts on people saying, glad you
aren't acting like a victim crying over some bullshit and
you're doing it and getting your thing popping. Okay, Well
that's a girlfriend and the single with his son saying
(15:40):
we got money, we'll always get away with everything. Y'all
don't have the money we have. Y'all don't have the
power we have. These are the lyrics. Okay, So when
that occurs, and then that weekend TMZ, which is known
to be very pro Ditty during this trial. Let's just
all stop fucking acting like everybody else is saying it.
(16:00):
I'll just say it for my own self. They were
getting pro Diddy during this trial. It was a very
quick verdict. It's too ethnic for me. There's a lot
of things that just don't look right.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Is it okay? Should we be criticizing the jury though.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Everybody says not to Everybody always says you can't blame
the jury. You can't blame the jury. I don't know.
To me, I'm not in a profession where I'm gonna
take heat for questioning the jury. I was convinced the
whole time I was in the band with her, I
had no idea who she really was. She was doing
these fucking freak off for fuck's sake, according to her
(16:36):
in her lawsuit. So to me, it's like, I think
I saw a path where you could insert yourself in
this trial if you wanted to, through the justice system,
and I think there were inserts that were just damning. Obviously,
(16:59):
Jane is just she's receiving payments from Diddy still, whether
it be for her home or her lawyer. She's being
paid for by Diddy. She threw this case really bad,
really really bad. Why the prosecution was putting her up
there and do with that type of damage. They were
trying to establish a pattern, but I don't think they
realized all the other things that she could establish as well.
(17:24):
And how long they kept her on was so damning
because people stopped when Casey was done. Everybody sent from
the courtroom to the podcast, we were like, that was horrific.
She took accountability, she said, the good and the bad.
I can't even come for her. I was nervous she
was going to try to skip around things and act
innocent like she didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What are the conversations like and the feelings and everybody
you talked to about Cassy even to a fine Now,
she's a tough one to reconsile. A lot of it's
tough to reconcile.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think you know, her lawyer said this, she was
doing fine and that she feels good that she was
part of at least bringing this man somewhere close to
some acknowledgment of who he is. And we all have
to agree that he would have gone and gotten his
Grammy inside last February he would have gone on with
this love movement and all. There's many civil suits during
(18:20):
the Love trial where people are claiming to have been
raped and really chaotic drugs, a lot of the same
things we were hearing in this trial, but to extreme
degrees when it's not a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Aubrey, I'm curious what you think about, Like, I know,
you talked a little bit about the jurors, and you
talked a little bit about the money and the power,
But what about the prosecution in terms of choosing the
charges that they decided to go with. I mean, we've
been talking and discussing why not and I don't know
if it's federal or state charges, but why not pursue
(18:53):
the charges that we know he committed that are provable
and indisputable assault, you know, all of things, you know,
the drug use, all of these things that could have
put them away for quite some time with actions that
he didn't even dispute, that he admitted to freely.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Because in my opinion, they saw exactly what I saw,
an organization of people that were committing crimes periods, and
that's a really scary thing and it doesn't look like
the mob anymore. We might just see a whole point
of white folks. Naga, We did see white folks doing it.
Jeffrey Epstein, whatever the fuck the fat guy is, who's
(19:35):
in there now in the movie industry. Yeah, they're they're
starting to really like move around and take bigger looks.
We're not looking as a society yet, though, We're we're
still asking why did they go back? We just literally saw,
We just saw literally on display in front of the world.
(19:58):
We basically watched the National comm conversation about trauma, bonding
and the persistence of love, force abuse and toxic relationships.
And yet the audience is still asking, well, why did
they go back? We haven't even wrapped our heads around
that shit. Some women until I explained it to them,
they were like, man, I've done that, And I'm like, yeah,
(20:19):
she just did it to extreme degrees because that's what
did He liked extreme degrees of everything. But but either way, like,
I've read so many statements from people that are scared
to death. The chef scared to death told the judge
thank you for not that day, like hearing that he
could be going home that day. Every I don't know
(20:41):
how many like be careful, stay safe. Everybody called me
that I know that's on the victims side, and what
just looked at me on FaceTime and just were like,
he's always been untouchable and he remains that way.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Is that the problem here in this case? To that? Unfortunately,
that's there were complexities in context necessary. But everybody looks
at this as Diddy one and he got away with
abusing women and that's just it. So this sets us
all back. Do you do you think it's as simple
as that in this conversation or a lot more contexts
needs to be involved in there's a.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Lot more context That would be the opinion of someone
that just read some headlines. If you actually if you read,
I read every single civil soon to.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Your point, don't most people just read headlines as unfortunate
it is?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And maybe that's how the jury. I don't know if
the jury interpreted you just to understand they went home,
they weren't sequestered. You don't know what they looked at
or so I'll tell you right now, don't put me
on a jury, because if I get on a jury
and I'm not sequestered, I'm going to ask my man
to look every little thing up and tell me what
he's seen in his phone.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oliver, that's going to get you out of jury duty.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's fine, But I really like, I don't know how anyone.
All we live in is a tech savvy world where
everybody's on their phone, to stay off of it and
not see anything about this trial sounds ridiculous to me.
But again, if this were just a ritualistic punishment for
(22:13):
we just there are so many levels of power that
are just will forever be so unknown. There are so
many levels of power. You guys have seen the levels
that you've seen. You've seen what gets away at those levels,
and you've seen how an audience of people receives those levels.
(22:36):
And I'm sure that you guys have your own conversations
about how little you two can do as journalists to
ever really bridge that gap. Now think five billion times
past you, guys, because that's where Diddy's at. And then
think five billion times past him, because that's where the
white man is at, you know, the one who runs
(23:02):
our country. The courts are making bad calls that are
putting a lot of people's lives in danger in politics
and in entertainment. I said this to you guys in
the beginning. They are mirroring each other right now. If
there is anyone out there that is watching the news
unfold with either of those two places, media and politics,
(23:22):
and they agree with what is occurring, and they agree
with the court's positioning on the things that are happening
right now, please say the fuck away from me, all
the way to fuck away from me. Please go sound
don't breathe on me. I don't want to catch it.
I don't even want to fucking catch it. If it
means I don't get to have a career, fine, y'all,
(23:43):
motherfuckers have I've been miserable in this life. It is
not a beautiful, wonderful life. It wasn't for any of
the girls that took that stand. Diddy did not offer
a wonderful experience where you've got to have the most insane, cool,
brilliant job ever. Like Mark Agniffolo, let's hope karm is
not real for his sake, But either way, like and
(24:05):
that's he's doing, that's his job. But like I've said
this many times when I've been on this podcast, that's
a fucking dirty job. It's a stump, it's a scumbag job.
And and and there is not anyone that I have
spoken to that thinks did he is a reformed man.
He might. He might create a whole narrative though of reformation.
(24:27):
He's great at at rebranding and redirecting. I think his
smartest move will be in redirecting all of his abilities
into his children and making money off of them and
branding them out there in the world. Is the new it, this,
that and the other? Because I I don't know what's
(24:47):
part of his deal that he did with the Devil,
because everybody does them.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, Aubrey, it's interesting you mentioned because Mark Adnifilo did
an interview with the AP over the weekend and he
talks a little bit about what Diddy is going to
do when he gets out of prison and whether.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Oh yeah, what's that you have a documentary and album?
You already released the album.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, he said, he said he's going straight to a
clinic where he was going to re enter a rehabilitation
center for domestic abusers, for people who abuse. So do
you think that he is capable of rehabilitation?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
First of all, if you watch in court when the
first of all, here's my theories on it. Those two
days where everyone reported him being scared of shit. His
lawyer's telling him, look, this is what's coming in and
him being like shocked. They said, he looked like he
was going to vomit, like his face flushed, and there
are people that had eyes directly on his entire team
and him. I think you do a deal with the devil.
(25:57):
They promised you. You don't put on a defense, you
don't throw anyone else under. You'll get away. But you
never know if that's really gonna work until it works, right,
I've never done a deal with the devil, but I
can assume you don't really trust the devil. But at
a certain point, maybe you get locked so caught up
(26:17):
in a situation that you got to make a deal,
but you don't really know if the devil's gonna screw you.
And at the end of the day, what I watched
was this like steer and then this release, and we
all saw how he went out. When the jury was
released and they got their instructions, he stood up and
said the judge to the judge, you did a great job, sir.
I'm feeling great. Good job on this case. Good job
(26:38):
this freak out has been. You did a good job.
I've managed like what they said. I asked, I asked, Elizabeth,
did the judge look like, what the fuck? And she
was like, he gave an uncomfortable like okay. And I
was like, was it like a long one like flattery
or was it a short one like I've never had
anyone do that. This is weird as shit. And if
(26:59):
she said the first like, it was weird as shit.
And so then then when they say he said that
he wasn't gonna let him go for his own, his own,
his own defense team's reasons throughout the case, they said,
he looks shocked and then he raised his hand in
court and and asked to speak to the judge. And
then Mark ran back, was like, whoa, he wants to
(27:22):
speak to you directly. Hold on vibity bobbity vivity, bobbity
vivity bobbity. And then did he sat down? He probably
said something like, are you trying to fuck with the
system again, sir? We already saw where this got you
the first time. Sit the fuck down. So frankly, in
my opinion, it's gonna be really hard for him to
go and have uh some therapist talk with him about
(27:46):
domestic violence and his alcohol and drug problems. He's got
his sons outside of court singing their hit song. Yo,
We're rich, We're rich, We're famous. Where we always get
away with everything? Hose what looking my bitch tworked? Hey?
We have that going on outside. We have fucking people
pouring baby oil all over themselves outside of a federal building.
(28:10):
You have people inside clapping, standing and screaming. Dream team,
dream team. This team wasn't did jack shit? I mean
Ojay's team. That's a dream team. The glove doesn't have fit.
Don't make sure you don't take your diabetes medication. Make
sure that glove. That shit was genius. You can't hate that.
(28:30):
That was actually a genius play. There was nothing genius
that occurred. Mark Agnicholo's clothing was horrible. In my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It worked, though, didn't it. This guy was facing life
in prison. He might be out. I mean he thought
he was going to be out last week. He was
facing life. Now. They're a strategy and all this, but
didn't it work. Whatever they did, it worked on these
twelve people that they were in the room with.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And then maybe someday we will understand all the reasons
why there are systems at play that are much bigger
than you, that make decisions about you, that make choices
about you, that make calls on you, And depending on
what level you're on, you will be dismissed. If they
want to dismiss you, and if you're causing problems or
(29:17):
they really just don't like you, don't throw a little
bit of pr in the miss and dirry your name
up a bit.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So you're saying there was something undwards or something else
going on with this jury, you don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Listen, we know all the way up until the very
first day of jury selection that witnesses were just going missing.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I mean, r were you thinking there's something like something
was going on with this jury? Like you're saying, this
is not a legit vert verdict, because.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I think the jury was pretty They all have like
pretty good resumes. I didn't I saw people that, like,
I didn't see anything funny in that regard. What I'm
saying to you is, first of all, jury, a lot
of jury deliberations are sign of the times. We are
normalizing case US right now. We are also normalizing that
the political and celebrity world are bonkers, shit crazy and
(30:07):
do weird ass shit that ain't my life. Though we
are also at a time where we are really on
the messaging that ain't my shit, though I'm worried about
me myself and I I've seen very few people along
this way. True, we give a fuck about me, but
they all want me to show up when it's time
to show up. So at the end of the day,
if that's where we live in and that's what it is,
(30:29):
and that's the mentality, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You have, you will you change how you operate, how
you live your life? Is there fear you said people
were checking in on you?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You okay, I'm low hanging fruit. I'm low hanging fruit.
I wouldn't. I don't think that I would. I would
wait to see what happens with the girls civil trial
before I would come forward and say anything.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I will.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I will always allow my story to be heard at
the right time. But do I care to know the answer? No,
it won't matter. And the feeling of knowing the answer
and it not mattering, it's so horrible. It's just better
to leave it alone, especially if it's not, like you know,
(31:20):
bringing sickness to my life. And then I don't know,
I mean, it's just another gut punch like the one
we saw him give Cassie at the Inner Continental. We're
used to taking them. I got used to taking them
at a very young age. It hurts every time you're embarrassed,
(31:40):
you're humiliated, you feel like shit is a person. You
think about it all day long, you obsess You ask
all of your friends of your about your work and
your credibility. And I guess if you spend enough of
your life being around that toxic shit, you kind of
just start to learn who you are and not give
a fuck about anybody else for their opinions.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
It has been fascinating to witness this and watch this
trial with you and through your lens and your experience
and the people you know, from Don Richard to Ditty
himself and I know that.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And Kassie and Caprick, Jakie, Jane Doe and the other
will Mia.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, it's it's deeply personal to you and for you,
and so we just I just want to say thank
you for being vulnerable, for being open to sharing your experiences,
how you're.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Feeling, what the people who.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You know, who know more than any of us what
really was going on in that world. I just want
to say thank you because it's brave of you to
speak out and to speak your truth, and I think
it will empower a lot of folks who are on
the fence or who don't feel comfortable saying how they
feel or what happened to them.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
For a message for those people, You're welcome, thank you.
A message to those people would be this is far
from over. It's far from over. R Kelly had a
victory lap, so did oj did. He's getting one right now.
Who you are and how you treat other people is
(33:15):
your karma in life. And we've missed the first round
on many players, so I think the karma will catch up.
And there are still no lawsuit has pulled out yet,
(33:35):
no civil lawsuit has pulled out yet. And there was
another one filed and it involves STDs now, so now
we're finally getting into the STD part about this that
I told you guys from the beginning, but it wasn't
entering the conversation until the end. But like I said,
you can't get people STDs without their knowledge. So that's
going to bring forward a whole lot of other problems
(33:57):
for a lot of people too.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Give us enough that a positive or something we can
take from what we just went through for eight weeks
and take and do something positive with it moving forward.
Give us something because this is always it's no winners
and no losers. That's saying something like everybody lost. I
mean except for getting to be quite honest with me,
to be facing life not taking as much.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
If he were reformable and this were you were surrounded
by people that are gonna hold him accountable. We don't
have anyone just taking accountability at this point for their behavior.
I've been doing jobs for the past couple of months
where there is no accountability for behavior. It just get
blamed on this person or this person, but no one
(34:43):
just holds himselves accountable, and it's like, hey, it's just
this We for some reason think that we can't ever
be wrong, as if any human isn't flawed. We need
to start holding ourselves accountable. But accountability, unfortunately, is not
a silver lining I can give to you because the reaction,
the family, the twerking, the song, the rap performance, all
(35:05):
of the movements are showing me the accountability is just garbage.
There just out of respect for understanding that my father
or son had done everything that I had just heard
for two months, I would feel I guess if that's
the type of mom or parent, you are good in
your heart that your kid's not going away for life.
But I certainly wouldn't stand and applaud him like you
(35:26):
are king, sir, standing ovation, sir, brilliant what you just did?
Hit her again? Give me another video, actually, pull the
one with a freak op where Kassie's choking on piss,
so your daughter can watch it one more time. There's
no accountability over there, and the money will come back
(35:47):
and the shit will get more reckless, and Kanye and
Diddy and Trump and Trump might pardon him. We could
see that on the final amount of the charges. If
that doesn't happen, I think the judge is probably pretty
DISCRB and I don't think like time served would be
his direction if he's a fair guy.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I agree with him that the judge seemed to be
shook by a lot of self eavens. You can hear
it in the truck.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, just the fact that did he raised his
hand to speak with him about his decision. Crazy. That's
crazy talk, very very very but but I think I
think reform for them isn't in the pictures. I think
revenge and slowly and you know, but I'm not on
(36:38):
video and not with your fingerprints on the Malotov cocktail certainly.
But like I think it's I don't think it's going
to be good. I'm not high up on that list.
But I know everybody. I know everybody that is silver
lining TJ. Gott. I've been asking myself that for days now.
Silver lining.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I mean he's been coming. I mean with the Ember
heard Johnny Depp, even with you go back to I mean,
the me Too movement, we were supposed to learn something
and do better on the next one that came around.
I guess what can we all did better?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I spoke with the woman. I spoke with a person
that spoke interviewed the woman who started me to about
this trial, and she said, sexual abuse charges are rarely
ever brought to a federal level. They're almost impossible to
try because of the piece that lost them on this side,
which is that coercion piece. Who do you believe the
(37:36):
person this one or that one? Do you believe what
they wrote or do you believe what they're telling you
they intended when they wrote something. They're just so hard
to prove, And it's always, it's always, do you believe
this person. Yeah, you know, we believed Cassie and then
unfortunately we had to believe Jane Doe, and she made
it very hard to even like to see it any
(37:57):
other type of way. I think on purpose that Grol
should stay in hiding or so she'll price be at
Ditty's house with young Miami waiting in a fucking vat
of baby oil. But I think the silver lining is
what she said. These sexual abuse cases against women rarely
get tried at sedal levels. We're not winning them yet.
(38:19):
Women are never made president, but we've had some pretty
great ones try. Unfair shit is happening in the workplace
that is disturbing, disgusting and downright abusive, and it's still occurring.
You think me too. And a whole lot of things
would have stopped people from putting things in writing that
(38:40):
are abusive, like you're not worth any of my time,
You're not worth a dollar a cent to even talk to.
That was written to me in the past month. It's
crazy to put things like that in writing. But unfortunately,
there are a lot of people that have power that
are still working it in ways that are horrific and disgusting.
I think I guess I'd go with her silver lining
(39:04):
for now. But I don't think Diddy's reformed, and I
think that he got his first victory lap and I
think there's more to come. This is not the end.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I think that could be the positive too, that the
fact that, yes we're talking about it, if sting discussed.
There hasn't been a victory, so to speak. But he
is behind bars right now and he will stay there
for some time. And that's something. It's not everything, but
it's something, and now.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Silver lining could be. Look around you and ask people
what they feel about this trial. If you're dating a
man that's now all of a sudden wearing free Ditty
shirts and is like out there, can you imagine? Did
you see how alive everyone became when he got off
on the bigger charges? Y'all were silent. This man didn't
have one person to back him, no one to take
the stand for him. Nobody wanted to touch him, nobody
(39:54):
in the entertainment. If there are people coming forward now,
like Cassie, you was a hoe and you know it.
You were doing shit just like him and both y'all,
I mean, Doc Funk Master Fletch just wrote that and
like a public message, I would say, like start watching
who's saying what, and women take notes, and if you're
(40:16):
dating any of them or in sexual relations or emotional
relationships with them, be very very careful or in my opinion,
get the fuck away immediately before they take too much
of you.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I mean, there is a lesson for a lot of
folks out there, and women specifically. Aubrey, thank you. Thank
you for folks through this trial helping us understand better
and hope all of our listeners appreciated just all of
the insights that you were able to provide.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Aubrey. Just want to say thank you all for listening.
I mean you robot On, behalf of my partner T J. Holmes,
and Aubrey O'Day, thank you, thank you, thank you for
coming along this journey with us.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Thank you guys. A
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