January 8, 2026 • 21 mins
Following the shooting death of a 37 year old woman by ICE agents, DHS secretary Kristi Noem held an evening presser where she referred to the actions of the woman as domestic terrorism. That woman has been identified as Renee Good, a mother and Twin Cities resident. Her death has sparked peaceful protests around the country, an FBI investigation and two very different accounts of what actually happened as we continue to see new angles of the incident from multiple cell phone cameras.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It is Thursday, January eighth, and as you could imagine,
it was a night of developments in Minneapolis but also
across the country after an ICE agent shot and killed
a woman in a video that pretty much the whole
country has seen. And with that, welcome to this episode
of Amy and TJ. We want to hop on and
give you all the latest and overnight developments which came
(00:31):
from a Christian Nome presser. New camera angles, vigils and
protest calls for the arrest of this officer.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But Robes.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We had a couple of press conferences yesterday from a
number of officials. Certainly the mayor of Minneapolis, certainly with
his tone, kind of ramped things up, but I think
some voices at least tone things down.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Governor Tim Waltz stands out as the voice of reason,
at least with the pressers that we saw. It was
finally someone who disagreed with what happened, but did so
peacefully and without incendiary language, and showed that you can
say I don't agree with this, I see something different
(01:12):
and then call for calm and actually represent that calm.
You can call for calm and say something and oh yeah,
he act, his words matched his tone, and it worked.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And they listened.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Apparently we should start with that because oftentimes, and even
specifically in Minneapolis, we have seen in years past, how
things can get out of control, how protests can get
ugly at times. They we almost giggled during the press
conference with Tim Waltz yesterday because he had another officer
come up, a public safety person and was almost giving
instructions on how to protest.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
He actually did give instructions on how to peacefully protest.
The ironic, the funny thing was, at the moment he
was saying, don't block streets, don't go in the roads,
stay on the sidewalks, they had a parallel photo of
people literally walking down a road completely blocking traffic.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So yes, they were trying to give the rule.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Book basically to peacefully protest and to not antagonize any
law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But the way the governor put it, he said, don't
give them an excuse to claim insurrection, don't give them
a reason to come in here, and he was pleading
with people, and it looks like maybe a lot of
people did heat those warnings. Now we'll start with in
the timeline, at least yesterday Christy Nome had a couple
of press appearances, but her latest one, her last one,
(02:29):
she did Robes, we watched this live. She did a
press commer. She was back in Minneapolis, and she double
tripled down on at least one narrative coming from the
administration about what happened in that scene. And she absolutely
said he did what he's supposed to do. And she
also Robes doubled down. I keep saying, doubling down, I
shouldn't say that. She repeated reiterated calling this an act
(02:51):
of domestic terror.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, and that has struck a chord with a lot
of folks in different ways calling this domestic terrorism.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But she said that the woman had been.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Stalking and impeding ICE agents work all day. So she
said then that she proceeded to weaponize her vehicle and
attempted to run a law enforcement officer over. She said
it was an attempt to kill or cause bodily harm
to agents, and that means it was an active domestic terrorism.
She says the ice officer feared for his life and
(03:22):
the other officers around him and the safety of the public,
and because of that, he fired those defensive shots. And
she'd made it very clear she said he used his
training to save his own life and that of his colleagues.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And she made the point that they have seen incidents
like this before. They want people to stop using their
vehicles to ram officers. She also did mention that he
did go to the hospital and was treated. And this
is where we need to pick up robes. I think
overnight and later in the day, other videos and other
angles started coming out, and you looked at these this morning,
(03:56):
I did as well. As one of the first things
I said to you, she hit them?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, yes, and I think, look, but here are the
when you look at the different angles. Yes, there was
one that was from the front and in the back,
and you could see that she did appear to hit him. However,
it still is fairly obvious she was trying to get away.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now, so inadvertently hitting an officer.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It the intent of it probably doesn't matter when it
comes to the investigation, because if you hit an officer
with your vehicle.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You just attacked him with a deadly weapon, is how
he sees it. This is now all bets are off,
and I can reer. He doesn't know who she is
and what she's doing. This is an awful situation. You
can argue if they hadn't been there in the first place,
this wouldn't have happened. You can argue if she had
just obeyed, Like, there's fault probably on all sides in this.
But it's too bad that the narratives are so starkly
(04:48):
different and we're all looking at the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Isn't that interesting that we can all look at the
same videos plural now and then see very different things.
And I think it is a difference between what intent.
So we're hearing DHS saying she was intending to cause
bodily harm, she was intending to run them over, she
was intending to potentially kill them. I think a lot
of people who see that video disagree with that. But
(05:14):
the reality is contact it looks like was absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Made, and that well, yes, there is an angle out
there now that shows and you see his body twist
and turn and jolt, and it looks like in this
angle at least you can say with confidence he was struggling.
I want to say, how hard and all this that's not,
But it looks like contact was made with this officer.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yes, And the other videos that we did see as
well did show her backing up and allowing other vehicles
to come around her. She was waving them and then
when it came to the ice agents, she would push,
she would she would pull back up and block the road.
So she was letting other people go by and then
refusing to let ice go by. And look, that's obviously
(05:55):
not legal.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It also everybody would argue shouldn't cost to your life
either in ect situation. But it gave We talked about
it yesterday. Wonder what happened leading up to the moment
that we are seeing. And yes, other videos have now
come out and Christine home this goes in line with
what Christinoman was saying, is that these officers, these agents
I should say, had issue with their vehicle, got stuck
(06:17):
in the snow or something. They were trying to get
it out, so they kind of got stuck in the
road and they were blocked in by other vehicles essentially
trying to trap these agents. And I guess that video
we're talking about, it's several minutes of this suv that
the woman is in. You do you see it going
back and forth and it is perpendicular to the street,
(06:38):
So why is she that way? And it does appear
she's trying to impede the office.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
No one should pay for a non violent act with
their life in that sense, at least by blocking the road.
But I do wonder, I do wonder what she thought
or how she thought it was going to end. Clearly,
she couldn't have thought that she was going to stop
ICE officers from drying down the road. So it's just
it's one of those things where if people could only recognize,
(07:05):
you know what to what end, Like I understand you're upset.
I understand you. Perhaps you think you're protecting your immigrant neighbors.
That's how she's been described. But at the end of it,
all your decision. You have to take responsibility for decisions
you make. Now, it escalated in a way I don't
think she could have anticipated, or even maybe the ICE
(07:26):
agents would have anticipated, or any of the bystanders. It
was a horrific end, but it everyone has to take
responsibility for their roles, and I think that is what
we heard from the leaders, even when they disagreed with
ICE's reaction to what happened. We did get some leadership
from Tim Waltz. I was appreciative off this Prescott.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Is tonally and look he and President Trump had been
going at it in a very nasty way for several weeks, months,
and you can argue years. But the tone was I
thought in that moment. Correct, you mentioned the victim here
she has been identified, thirty seven year old renamed Nicole Wood,
an American citizen, a mother. I didn see how old
the child was old, six years old, whose fathers had
(08:10):
passed previously. I think you mentioned to me, so this
is a child now who is without parents. Yes, again,
adding to the tragedy of this all you were also
mentioning and let's jump and do it now. The tone
you talked about responsibility and of Jade Vance his comments.
At least you might not like him, but I guess
(08:32):
there was something to how he put it that almost
I guess rose he played it right down the middle
to where folks on both sides would have to get
what he said.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, I agree, this will read you his comment. He
had two I believe, different posts that he put up
on X. The first one, you can accept that this
woman's death is a tragedy while acknowledging it's a tragedy
of her own making. Don't illegally interfere in federal law enforcement.
Operations and try to run for our officers with your car.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's really that simple. And then in another post he
did right.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I want every ICE officer to know that their president,
vice president and the entire administration stands behind them. To
the radicals assaulting them, doxing them and threatening them, congratulations,
were going to work even harder to enforce the law.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I think the issue is a tragedy of her
own making. I think others probably would fill that in
with a tragedy of Trump's making, a tragedy of ICE
agents making. That just ramped up things in this community. Yes,
if ICE had not descended on Minneapolis, as a woman
would be alive. Sure, I mean that's just the case.
So you then think like was this necessary? What is
(09:43):
the point? And I don't know if that's the right.
Will never come to terms on that. I just what
is the part of the story, Ropes we can come
to terms on? What can we all agree on? We're
being shown the exact same piece of evidence and coming
to very different conclusions about it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And that's from our yes, And look, I think back
look the press conference we got from the Minneapolis mayor,
Jacob Frye. It was fiery, to say the least, but
he did point out that he was like, we have
been saying this and this was our big concern. He
along with the chief of police, that somebody was going
to get hurt or killed, that this was going to happen.
(10:21):
This was inevitable with the tensions the way they were,
and this was the thing they feared the most, and
it happened on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It will happen again.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
We saw how heated it was immediately in the streets, like,
oh my god, we thought the place was really going
to explode. It Thank goodness it did not, But this
is absolutely going to happen again. Of course, we heard
from President Trump yesterday. I was surprised we didn't hear
more from him later in the day, but we will
share at least what his truth social post was yesterday
(10:52):
saying that he had just viewed the clip of what
took place. They say, it was horrible to watch, but
this is where he started comming about and a lot
of people. You remember, if you heard the saw the
video and heard it, the person shooting that video was
screaming and yelling the entire time. So the President picks
up at that moment saying, quote, the woman screaming was
(11:12):
obviously a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car
was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, wilfully
and viciously ran over the ice officer who seems to
have shot her in self defense.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Again, this was earlier on.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't know if his tone at all will change,
but violently, wilfully, viciously, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Maybe that's how he saw it.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Maybe, But the next sentence is where I he lost me.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Based on the attached clip, and that's the video, it
is hard to believe he is alive but is now
recovering in the hospital.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
That was a little much, he said.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The situation is being studied in its entirety, but the
reason these incidents are happening is because the radical left
is threatening, assaulting, and targeting our law enforcement officers and
ice agents on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And here we go, right, did we stop to This
is a tragedy and it doesn't feel like we even
treated it like one.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
This is just let's fight about it. This is what
we do. We didn't stop for a moment. Somebody's dead.
Can we all be sad for a second that we
just watched this play out. Let's fight about it. We're all.
That's all we're doing now.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
And I know this woman's mother has been speaking out
to press and media trying to keep her daughter's memory
or at least her name and who she was in
the spotlight as well, because yes, it has been and
it certainly will be forgotten in the politics of it all.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We'll stay with us here, folks.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
When we come back, We'll let you now see here
what happened around the country wasn't just in Minneapolis, but
citizens and cities across the country are showing solidarity and support.
Will tell you who's now involved in the investigation of
this case as well, and what all the professionals out
there saying, from the legal experts to the law enforcement
(13:09):
folks about what they are seeing in this video. We
continue here now on Amy and TJ and Robes. There
were protests across the country. I think you were doing
a deeper dive than I was on where all these
(13:30):
popped up. But for the most part, are we hearing
anything about disruptions, clashes with police or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
That is the good news, And honestly, I actually feel
my shoulders, relax.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
This is amazing and this is actually what.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Makes America beautiful. There were peaceful protests all around the
country Atlanta, Miami, Boston, Milwaukee, Seattle, San Francisco. Thousands of
people joined that one, Tucson, Portland, Eugene, every you started
googling it and pretty much every major city. Miami just
had hundreds, if not thousands of people show up on
(14:05):
the streets with signs in their hands. And of course,
here in New York, Fully Square, known to be a
place where protesters gather holding signs like Ice is Trump's
gestapo ice out of Minnesota, a lot of people holding
up signs. Remember, so this is what Americans do. This
is our right. And to know that we can do
it even when there's outrage and true outrage, that we
(14:29):
can have emotions be high and yet actions be calm,
that is good to know.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I was surprise, I mean, was I surprised to hear
Did you hear much.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
About the the thought the logic that went into them
canceling classes in Minneapolis?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
No, but they have, they did, and I actually was
a little surprised when I saw that. But yes, the
Minneapolis school District announced late yesterday that they will cancel
classes for the rest of the.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Week and anticipate, you know what, they've seen this before,
and maybe they did it is a precaution.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
This happened, This shooting happened.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I believe they said, was it ten blocks away from
where George Floyd was shot.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I meant to look that up because I've seen as
many as low as.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Four, okay, so within blocks.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
They said it was less than a three minute drive
where this woman was shot yesterday from where George Floyd
was shot. So yes, they have experienced what can happen
with outrage and emotion and what people feel as an
unjustified killing. So they probably were anticipating violence in the
streets and harm potentially to students, for who knows what
would happen within the schools, people start arguing the left
(15:32):
versus the right. Even kids go home, hear rhetoric from
their parents, get into the school and start getting into it.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
So look out of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I think it probably was perhaps a smart call.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Wow, experience has taught them to do this. The FBI,
we should say, is now investigating. We should also say,
if we had didn't mention before the governor Waltz said,
he has I can't remember the official name of it,
but he has essentially put the National Guard on standby
emergency orders. Emergency order, something may be ready to rock.
He made a good point as well. These are our people.
(16:04):
They're Minnesotans. He said, remember when you see the National Guard,
these are your people. These are your neighbors, neighbors, this
is their community. They're going to be treating this as
their home. He almost said, give them a break.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
These are these are our peeps, these are dads, these
are moms, These are people who are your neighbors. And
treat them with respect. And you even said, like, I'm
so glad. He pointed that out again, the humanization. We
look at folks in uniform, people with guns and they're
somehow and masks. Now, yeah, that's a really good point.
And they're doing that for their own safety, which is ironic,
(16:38):
but the point being, they are humans. They are people
with families and friends, and they live, especially the National Art,
they live.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
In this community.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And that's an important thing to remember when you immediately
assign judgment to someone because of the uniform they're wearing
or the job that they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
And that is important.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Also, we were talking a little bit about just the outrage,
and I'm curious what happens in the days that follow
And because the ICE agents aren't leaving, they say, get
the f out.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That's been so much of the rhetoric.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But two thousand ICE agents descended in this area, on
this area, and they're not leaving. So it will be
interesting to see what happens in the days to come.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh yeah, I can't imagine the White House the administration
backing down at all. And from all the comments we've gotten,
they are have even more resolved than they did before
and this is going to continue. But how is the
community going to react to every agent they see now?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And what about the investigation because as you were pointing out,
and we heard from the experts that in terms of
justification for a lethal shooting by a law enforcement officer
from the videos we've seen, what are the experts.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Saying that he might get fired or reprimanded, but not charged.
And that's what you see. There's so many of these
cases historically, and we've covered them in our careers as well.
When a vehicle is going towards an officer, it is
a deadly weapon that is a threat all bets are off.
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He can use deadly force, and they have been cleared
in this before. However, all of the law enforcement folks
that got on yesterday and we were listening to all
said they're trained not to stand in front of a vehicle, ever,
moving or not.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You're not supposed to why, it's common sense.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Right, you don't stand behind a horse. You don't stand
in front of a vehicle, especially if it's moving.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, you're supposed to have common sense when it comes
to the horse, but when it comes to the car,
it's common sense and policy. You're not supposed to do that.
For your own safety, you just don't do it. So, yes,
that would be an error that some are pointing out.
But the law enforcement folks all day we listened to
were not necessarily getting onto this officer for reacting and behaving.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
The way it is.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And can you imagine with the swift support that the
ICE agents received from the President on down to Christy
Noman beyond, they would even reprimand this officer at this point.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Oh goodness, no, are you kidding? The President would step
in if anybody tried to reprimand this guy. And who
a Homeland Security is going to say, hey, mister President,
we found in the investigation that maybe he shouldn't stop.
That's obviously not going to happen. But you just made
me think of something else.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
The fear. Now, what do you do in Minneapolis?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
If I see an ice agent and he tells me
to do anything, I'm going to behave because he can
shoot me and be justified if I make the wrong move.
Is there now going to be fear and people going
to get in line even more? This is fear and
as tactic now that we're not used to seeing on
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the streets of the United States of America.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yes, and a thirty seven year old white woman who
probably didn't think for one second she was going to
be shot in the head for fleeing a police or
ignoring a police officer's instructions to open the door, what
kind of things? What would I do in that situation.
I just know that I'm such a rule follower. If if
a police officer screamed, you know, open you know, and
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I think he was like, you know, get the f
out of the car or whatever it was, I'm gonna
get the f out of the car.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And we saw the law enforcement guy a long time.
But I can't remember his name right now, but made
the point when he walks towards the car, gives her
a command, puts his hand on the door, and she
takes off. You're now getting into a criminal element, you
are evading capture, you are now running from police. And
yet so he made that point. Look, it's every there's
(20:34):
fault to go on all sides. We got to learn
something from this, yes, but we just want to hop
on and give you the update from overnight because there
were a lot of developments. We will continue to keep
an eye on Minneapolis today. It all means, as always,
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Speaker 1 (21:02):
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Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It is Thursday, January eighth, and as you could imagine,
it was a night of developments in Minneapolis but also
across the country after an ICE agent shot and killed
a woman in a video that pretty much the whole
country has seen. And with that, welcome to this episode
of Amy and TJ. We want to hop on and
give you all the latest and overnight developments which came
(00:31):
from a Christian Nome presser. New camera angles, vigils and
protest calls for the arrest of this officer.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But Robes.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We had a couple of press conferences yesterday from a
number of officials. Certainly the mayor of Minneapolis, certainly with
his tone, kind of ramped things up, but I think
some voices at least tone things down.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Governor Tim Waltz stands out as the voice of reason,
at least with the pressers that we saw. It was
finally someone who disagreed with what happened, but did so
peacefully and without incendiary language, and showed that you can
say I don't agree with this, I see something different
(01:12):
and then call for calm and actually represent that calm.
You can call for calm and say something and oh yeah,
he act, his words matched his tone, and it worked.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And they listened.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Apparently we should start with that because oftentimes, and even
specifically in Minneapolis, we have seen in years past, how
things can get out of control, how protests can get
ugly at times. They we almost giggled during the press
conference with Tim Waltz yesterday because he had another officer
come up, a public safety person and was almost giving
instructions on how to protest.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
He actually did give instructions on how to peacefully protest.
The ironic, the funny thing was, at the moment he
was saying, don't block streets, don't go in the roads,
stay on the sidewalks, they had a parallel photo of
people literally walking down a road completely blocking traffic.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So yes, they were trying to give the rule.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Book basically to peacefully protest and to not antagonize any
law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But the way the governor put it, he said, don't
give them an excuse to claim insurrection, don't give them
a reason to come in here, and he was pleading
with people, and it looks like maybe a lot of
people did heat those warnings. Now we'll start with in
the timeline, at least yesterday Christy Nome had a couple
of press appearances, but her latest one, her last one,
(02:29):
she did Robes, we watched this live. She did a
press commer. She was back in Minneapolis, and she double
tripled down on at least one narrative coming from the
administration about what happened in that scene. And she absolutely
said he did what he's supposed to do. And she
also Robes doubled down. I keep saying, doubling down, I
shouldn't say that. She repeated reiterated calling this an act
(02:51):
of domestic terror.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, and that has struck a chord with a lot
of folks in different ways calling this domestic terrorism.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But she said that the woman had been.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Stalking and impeding ICE agents work all day. So she
said then that she proceeded to weaponize her vehicle and
attempted to run a law enforcement officer over. She said
it was an attempt to kill or cause bodily harm
to agents, and that means it was an active domestic terrorism.
She says the ice officer feared for his life and
(03:22):
the other officers around him and the safety of the public,
and because of that, he fired those defensive shots. And
she'd made it very clear she said he used his
training to save his own life and that of his colleagues.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And she made the point that they have seen incidents
like this before. They want people to stop using their
vehicles to ram officers. She also did mention that he
did go to the hospital and was treated. And this
is where we need to pick up robes. I think
overnight and later in the day, other videos and other
angles started coming out, and you looked at these this morning,
(03:56):
I did as well. As one of the first things
I said to you, she hit them?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, yes, and I think, look, but here are the
when you look at the different angles. Yes, there was
one that was from the front and in the back,
and you could see that she did appear to hit him. However,
it still is fairly obvious she was trying to get away.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now, so inadvertently hitting an officer.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It the intent of it probably doesn't matter when it
comes to the investigation, because if you hit an officer
with your vehicle.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You just attacked him with a deadly weapon, is how
he sees it. This is now all bets are off,
and I can reer. He doesn't know who she is
and what she's doing. This is an awful situation. You
can argue if they hadn't been there in the first place,
this wouldn't have happened. You can argue if she had
just obeyed, Like, there's fault probably on all sides in this.
But it's too bad that the narratives are so starkly
(04:48):
different and we're all looking at the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Isn't that interesting that we can all look at the
same videos plural now and then see very different things.
And I think it is a difference between what intent.
So we're hearing DHS saying she was intending to cause
bodily harm, she was intending to run them over, she
was intending to potentially kill them. I think a lot
of people who see that video disagree with that. But
(05:14):
the reality is contact it looks like was absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Made, and that well, yes, there is an angle out
there now that shows and you see his body twist
and turn and jolt, and it looks like in this
angle at least you can say with confidence he was struggling.
I want to say, how hard and all this that's not,
But it looks like contact was made with this officer.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yes, And the other videos that we did see as
well did show her backing up and allowing other vehicles
to come around her. She was waving them and then
when it came to the ice agents, she would push,
she would she would pull back up and block the road.
So she was letting other people go by and then
refusing to let ice go by. And look, that's obviously
(05:55):
not legal.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It also everybody would argue shouldn't cost to your life
either in ect situation. But it gave We talked about
it yesterday. Wonder what happened leading up to the moment
that we are seeing. And yes, other videos have now
come out and Christine home this goes in line with
what Christinoman was saying, is that these officers, these agents
I should say, had issue with their vehicle, got stuck
(06:17):
in the snow or something. They were trying to get
it out, so they kind of got stuck in the
road and they were blocked in by other vehicles essentially
trying to trap these agents. And I guess that video
we're talking about, it's several minutes of this suv that
the woman is in. You do you see it going
back and forth and it is perpendicular to the street,
(06:38):
So why is she that way? And it does appear
she's trying to impede the office.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
No one should pay for a non violent act with
their life in that sense, at least by blocking the road.
But I do wonder, I do wonder what she thought
or how she thought it was going to end. Clearly,
she couldn't have thought that she was going to stop
ICE officers from drying down the road. So it's just
it's one of those things where if people could only recognize,
(07:05):
you know what to what end, Like I understand you're upset.
I understand you. Perhaps you think you're protecting your immigrant neighbors.
That's how she's been described. But at the end of it,
all your decision. You have to take responsibility for decisions
you make. Now, it escalated in a way I don't
think she could have anticipated, or even maybe the ICE
(07:26):
agents would have anticipated, or any of the bystanders. It
was a horrific end, but it everyone has to take
responsibility for their roles, and I think that is what
we heard from the leaders, even when they disagreed with
ICE's reaction to what happened. We did get some leadership
from Tim Waltz. I was appreciative off this Prescott.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Is tonally and look he and President Trump had been
going at it in a very nasty way for several weeks, months,
and you can argue years. But the tone was I
thought in that moment. Correct, you mentioned the victim here
she has been identified, thirty seven year old renamed Nicole Wood,
an American citizen, a mother. I didn see how old
the child was old, six years old, whose fathers had
(08:10):
passed previously. I think you mentioned to me, so this
is a child now who is without parents. Yes, again,
adding to the tragedy of this all you were also
mentioning and let's jump and do it now. The tone
you talked about responsibility and of Jade Vance his comments.
At least you might not like him, but I guess
(08:32):
there was something to how he put it that almost
I guess rose he played it right down the middle
to where folks on both sides would have to get
what he said.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, I agree, this will read you his comment. He
had two I believe, different posts that he put up
on X. The first one, you can accept that this
woman's death is a tragedy while acknowledging it's a tragedy
of her own making. Don't illegally interfere in federal law enforcement.
Operations and try to run for our officers with your car.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's really that simple. And then in another post he
did right.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I want every ICE officer to know that their president,
vice president and the entire administration stands behind them. To
the radicals assaulting them, doxing them and threatening them, congratulations,
were going to work even harder to enforce the law.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I think the issue is a tragedy of her
own making. I think others probably would fill that in
with a tragedy of Trump's making, a tragedy of ICE
agents making. That just ramped up things in this community. Yes,
if ICE had not descended on Minneapolis, as a woman
would be alive. Sure, I mean that's just the case.
So you then think like was this necessary? What is
(09:43):
the point? And I don't know if that's the right.
Will never come to terms on that. I just what
is the part of the story, Ropes we can come
to terms on? What can we all agree on? We're
being shown the exact same piece of evidence and coming
to very different conclusions about it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And that's from our yes, And look, I think back
look the press conference we got from the Minneapolis mayor,
Jacob Frye. It was fiery, to say the least, but
he did point out that he was like, we have
been saying this and this was our big concern. He
along with the chief of police, that somebody was going
to get hurt or killed, that this was going to happen.
(10:21):
This was inevitable with the tensions the way they were,
and this was the thing they feared the most, and
it happened on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It will happen again.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
We saw how heated it was immediately in the streets, like,
oh my god, we thought the place was really going
to explode. It Thank goodness it did not, But this
is absolutely going to happen again. Of course, we heard
from President Trump yesterday. I was surprised we didn't hear
more from him later in the day, but we will
share at least what his truth social post was yesterday
(10:52):
saying that he had just viewed the clip of what
took place. They say, it was horrible to watch, but
this is where he started comming about and a lot
of people. You remember, if you heard the saw the
video and heard it, the person shooting that video was
screaming and yelling the entire time. So the President picks
up at that moment saying, quote, the woman screaming was
(11:12):
obviously a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car
was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, wilfully
and viciously ran over the ice officer who seems to
have shot her in self defense.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Again, this was earlier on.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't know if his tone at all will change,
but violently, wilfully, viciously, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Maybe that's how he saw it.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Maybe, But the next sentence is where I he lost me.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Based on the attached clip, and that's the video, it
is hard to believe he is alive but is now
recovering in the hospital.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
That was a little much, he said.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The situation is being studied in its entirety, but the
reason these incidents are happening is because the radical left
is threatening, assaulting, and targeting our law enforcement officers and
ice agents on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And here we go, right, did we stop to This
is a tragedy and it doesn't feel like we even
treated it like one.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
This is just let's fight about it. This is what
we do. We didn't stop for a moment. Somebody's dead.
Can we all be sad for a second that we
just watched this play out. Let's fight about it. We're all.
That's all we're doing now.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
And I know this woman's mother has been speaking out
to press and media trying to keep her daughter's memory
or at least her name and who she was in
the spotlight as well, because yes, it has been and
it certainly will be forgotten in the politics of it all.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
We'll stay with us here, folks.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
When we come back, We'll let you now see here
what happened around the country wasn't just in Minneapolis, but
citizens and cities across the country are showing solidarity and support.
Will tell you who's now involved in the investigation of
this case as well, and what all the professionals out
there saying, from the legal experts to the law enforcement
(13:09):
folks about what they are seeing in this video. We
continue here now on Amy and TJ and Robes. There
were protests across the country. I think you were doing
a deeper dive than I was on where all these
(13:30):
popped up. But for the most part, are we hearing
anything about disruptions, clashes with police or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
That is the good news, And honestly, I actually feel
my shoulders, relax.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
This is amazing and this is actually what.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Makes America beautiful. There were peaceful protests all around the
country Atlanta, Miami, Boston, Milwaukee, Seattle, San Francisco. Thousands of
people joined that one, Tucson, Portland, Eugene, every you started
googling it and pretty much every major city. Miami just
had hundreds, if not thousands of people show up on
(14:05):
the streets with signs in their hands. And of course,
here in New York, Fully Square, known to be a
place where protesters gather holding signs like Ice is Trump's
gestapo ice out of Minnesota, a lot of people holding
up signs. Remember, so this is what Americans do. This
is our right. And to know that we can do
it even when there's outrage and true outrage, that we
(14:29):
can have emotions be high and yet actions be calm,
that is good to know.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I was surprise, I mean, was I surprised to hear
Did you hear much.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
About the the thought the logic that went into them
canceling classes in Minneapolis?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
No, but they have, they did, and I actually was
a little surprised when I saw that. But yes, the
Minneapolis school District announced late yesterday that they will cancel
classes for the rest of the.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Week and anticipate, you know what, they've seen this before,
and maybe they did it is a precaution.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
This happened, This shooting happened.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I believe they said, was it ten blocks away from
where George Floyd was shot.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I meant to look that up because I've seen as
many as low as.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Four, okay, so within blocks.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
They said it was less than a three minute drive
where this woman was shot yesterday from where George Floyd
was shot. So yes, they have experienced what can happen
with outrage and emotion and what people feel as an
unjustified killing. So they probably were anticipating violence in the
streets and harm potentially to students, for who knows what
would happen within the schools, people start arguing the left
(15:32):
versus the right. Even kids go home, hear rhetoric from
their parents, get into the school and start getting into it.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
So look out of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I think it probably was perhaps a smart call.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Wow, experience has taught them to do this. The FBI,
we should say, is now investigating. We should also say,
if we had didn't mention before the governor Waltz said,
he has I can't remember the official name of it,
but he has essentially put the National Guard on standby
emergency orders. Emergency order, something may be ready to rock.
He made a good point as well. These are our people.
(16:04):
They're Minnesotans. He said, remember when you see the National Guard,
these are your people. These are your neighbors, neighbors, this
is their community. They're going to be treating this as
their home. He almost said, give them a break.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
These are these are our peeps, these are dads, these
are moms, These are people who are your neighbors. And
treat them with respect. And you even said, like, I'm
so glad. He pointed that out again, the humanization. We
look at folks in uniform, people with guns and they're
somehow and masks. Now, yeah, that's a really good point.
And they're doing that for their own safety, which is ironic,
(16:38):
but the point being, they are humans. They are people
with families and friends, and they live, especially the National Art,
they live.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
In this community.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And that's an important thing to remember when you immediately
assign judgment to someone because of the uniform they're wearing
or the job that they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
And that is important.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Also, we were talking a little bit about just the outrage,
and I'm curious what happens in the days that follow
And because the ICE agents aren't leaving, they say, get
the f out.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That's been so much of the rhetoric.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But two thousand ICE agents descended in this area, on
this area, and they're not leaving. So it will be
interesting to see what happens in the days to come.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh yeah, I can't imagine the White House the administration
backing down at all. And from all the comments we've gotten,
they are have even more resolved than they did before
and this is going to continue. But how is the
community going to react to every agent they see now?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And what about the investigation because as you were pointing out,
and we heard from the experts that in terms of
justification for a lethal shooting by a law enforcement officer
from the videos we've seen, what are the experts.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Saying that he might get fired or reprimanded, but not charged.
And that's what you see. There's so many of these
cases historically, and we've covered them in our careers as well.
When a vehicle is going towards an officer, it is
a deadly weapon that is a threat all bets are off.
(18:07):
He can use deadly force, and they have been cleared
in this before. However, all of the law enforcement folks
that got on yesterday and we were listening to all
said they're trained not to stand in front of a vehicle, ever,
moving or not.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You're not supposed to why, it's common sense.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Right, you don't stand behind a horse. You don't stand
in front of a vehicle, especially if it's moving.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, you're supposed to have common sense when it comes
to the horse, but when it comes to the car,
it's common sense and policy. You're not supposed to do that.
For your own safety, you just don't do it. So, yes,
that would be an error that some are pointing out.
But the law enforcement folks all day we listened to
were not necessarily getting onto this officer for reacting and behaving.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
The way it is.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And can you imagine with the swift support that the
ICE agents received from the President on down to Christy
Noman beyond, they would even reprimand this officer at this point.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Oh goodness, no, are you kidding? The President would step
in if anybody tried to reprimand this guy. And who
a Homeland Security is going to say, hey, mister President,
we found in the investigation that maybe he shouldn't stop.
That's obviously not going to happen. But you just made
me think of something else.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
The fear. Now, what do you do in Minneapolis?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
If I see an ice agent and he tells me
to do anything, I'm going to behave because he can
shoot me and be justified if I make the wrong move.
Is there now going to be fear and people going
to get in line even more? This is fear and
as tactic now that we're not used to seeing on
(19:43):
the streets of the United States of America.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yes, and a thirty seven year old white woman who
probably didn't think for one second she was going to
be shot in the head for fleeing a police or
ignoring a police officer's instructions to open the door, what
kind of things? What would I do in that situation.
I just know that I'm such a rule follower. If if
a police officer screamed, you know, open you know, and
(20:06):
I think he was like, you know, get the f
out of the car or whatever it was, I'm gonna
get the f out of the car.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And we saw the law enforcement guy a long time.
But I can't remember his name right now, but made
the point when he walks towards the car, gives her
a command, puts his hand on the door, and she
takes off. You're now getting into a criminal element, you
are evading capture, you are now running from police. And
yet so he made that point. Look, it's every there's
(20:34):
fault to go on all sides. We got to learn
something from this, yes, but we just want to hop
on and give you the update from overnight because there
were a lot of developments. We will continue to keep
an eye on Minneapolis today. It all means, as always,
top right corner of your Apple podcast app on our
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(20:54):
can get our updates coming to you throughout the day.
There will be more for always. As always, I should say,
appreciate you all. Appreciate you all spending time with us
on t J.
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