June 1, 2022 • 49 mins
The crimes don't stop, they just become more bizarre...On this episode Leah and Demetri roast the man charged with a fatal hit and run in Arizona, break down the story of the Pastor that got a standing ovation for admitting his sins only to have the congregation turn on him in real time, and a sheep that got sentenced to three years in jail...for murder. All that plus the main case of the day...the peculiar details of the 20/20 investigation "Double Life, Double Murder."
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Real Time Crime. I'm your host, Leo Lamar, and I
have with me my compadre. You've been working on a
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new title, not working well enough. But it's Dmitri. You guys, Dmitri.
How are you? I'm doing well? Thank you? How are you?
You know? Dmitri? I think we know how I'm doing.
I think we do. And just to fill other people,
and Leah is still out of the country, I did
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buy my plane ticket back for next Tuesday. All right,
Well that's I know, it's exciting. And um, if a
British boyfriend, not to brag, but to brag, oh my gosh,
you just use the boyfriend were I know? I know,
I went to Europe and I bought the first house
I saw, so um, just so we're clear, then, the
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crime that has been committed is that your single life
has been assassinated by yeah, yeah, by And we're referring
to Adam, right, and his name is Adam. Oh my god,
poor guy. He's sitting by himself on the bed doing
work and he just seems content. That's what you need.
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That's a good thing in a relationship. He just looked
at me. Oh no, he just said help me. He
does not helped me. But bad news for you, boo.
I'm the only one here. He's so trapped. Okay. Anyway, um,
this is a future crime for sure, a future crime
of fashion. Sorry, Adam, you were great while you last it. Anyway,
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you guys, so many hilariously odd stories this week. Yeah,
I mean it's and it's kind of a nice change
of pace from there's been some heavy stuff lately, so
it's nice to get. And not any crime is good,
but some of this stuff is very strange. Some of
the stuff is very bizarre. And not that any of
these are ha ha funny. People are dying, but they
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are strange, so let's put it that way. Number one,
Number two, Yes, I'm in Paris for the keeping score
following along with my Instagram and for those of you
who are not, this has really been I'm exhausted. I'm
I'm ready to come home, but I'm not not ready
to come home. You've been going for like, what is
it like six months? Now five weeks? Same? But you
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know what, I've never been to Europe, so I think
I'm just at this like a backlog for all the
trips I should have taken. Yeah, listen, um, and your
first out of Europe and you come home with a boyfriend.
That's pretty good, not bad, right, I mean most people
study it when they go to college and they spend
over six months. I didn't even do that, so I
would say this is my college study abroad. I also,
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you know, godboyfriend and um who knows, probably COVID. It's
just like really hard to say what else has been
going on here? So which of these things are you
bringing home? Hopefully not COVID, just COVID. Okay, So, so
Adam lives there, Adam lives in the UK. No one
cares about besides us. Oh, I see, I've never seen
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to get so deflated. I don't think that just means
you don't want to talk about it. Yet it is
not that I don't want to talk about it. He
lives in London and we're going to figure out the
distance situation. M All right, babe, do you care that
I'm telling everyone about our love life? He said no. So,
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I mean he has to get used to I remember,
I want to stay with this guy. He was like,
I don't want to be in your set. Don't put
me in your stand up, and I was like, well,
I don't want to date you, and you do stand
up you have a podcast, he's willing to be in.
It's all right, good, you gotta come along for the ride.
You know. It's like, if you don't want to be
in my stand up set, means you don't want to
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be part of my life, right because your life is
a stand up set. Because my life I just talked
about what's going on. My life is comedy, you know.
I talked about what's going on. So if people don't
want to be part of that, then they don't want
to be part of this anyway. So you know what,
let's just get back to crime. You know what really
matters today. We're gonna be talking about an Arizona man
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charged after mowing down and killing a bicyclist with his truck.
It was a hit and run. A woman calling out
an Indiana pastor for taking her virgin virginity at sixteen.
A sheep found guilty and sentenced to three years in
jail for killing a woman in Africa, And then we
will be talking about our main crime for today, the
murders of Dennis and normal Wood Druffe. A feel like
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we just got to clarify one thing, because we said
these stories were lighter and more fun and I was
really just thinking about the sheep one. Um, yeah, me too,
to be honest, that's just sheep going to jail is
kind of a hilarious thought. But also people are dead,
so it's not that funny. It's not funny. Well you
know us, and by us, I mean me. Okay, So alright,
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so the first story. You know, look, I know that
this is a podcast and so most of you are
not looking at anything, but I do need you to
google this guy because we're about to roast the ship
out of him. Sorry, sorry, but this man looks like
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an overgrown potato. He looks like he swallowed a brick.
He does. He does have some sort of melting um
look to him, you know, kind of a job of
the hut melting. And listen, I want this clear. Now,
we're we're coming out. We're not shaming this guy because
he's heavy. This is not a fashiaming thing. This is
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a shaming this guy because he's a douche bag who
killed someone on a bike and took off. If we're
not allowed to roast murderers, who are we allowed to roast. Yeah,
and you know, it looks like he's got a thyroid issue.
M Do you think he has tonsilitis amongst the stuff. Yes,
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it does look like when you get um an ice
cream cone and they overdo it on the scoops. Yeah,
he looks now ed from ninety fiance won't feel so alone. Yes, good,
he's got a twin brother. Well, let's so let's explain
what he did. This way we can kind of hate
him even more. All right, Okay, So our first case
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for today is an Arizona man charged after mowing down
and killing a bicyclist with his truck. So the culprit
has been identified as thirty nine year old Fernando Ramos
and his victim identified as six year old George Cooper,
who died on the scene of the hit and run.
I don't know why people think that they get they're
going to get away with hit and runs, do you No,
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I don't. There's cameras everywhere nowadays, there's also I witnesses everywhere,
and it's like you're in a you're in a truck
with a license plate with and this guy is This
guy doesn't blend into a crowd. No, he sure does not.
The Sheriff's office received multiple calls for the collision involving
a car on a cyclist. When police arrived, he'd already
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fled the scene, and he didn't even try to help
Cooper and witnesses said that they saw his Chevy truck
crash into the cyclist, drag him along the road, and
then run him over just before fleeing the scene. So
so let's back that up for a second. So if
you accidentally hit somebody and you stop, that is the
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best case scenario. You get out and you help him.
This guy kept going, therefore dragging this guy and ultimately
running him over and then taking off. So zero regard
for human life. This was a sixty year old guy
riding his bike. He could have saved and or helped
at any point before actually murdering him, but who knows.
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At one point he was already dead. And I understand,
I understand panic when things go wrong, but I think
that's when you're really gotta take over and you've got
to think, Okay, let's make this the it's this. It's
the same thing with the people that running from anything.
If you did it, I know you don't want to
own up to it because you're terrified. But make it
the best case scenario. When you people start lying to
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the police, it's the same, it's the same thing. Stop
you're making it worse. Anytime someone runs, it's basically showing
an admission of guilt. You're freaked out, you don't want
to do you run. So apparently he was biking. Cooper
was biking the northeastern lane of the road and had
a small trailer hitch to him when he was struck.
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Even he a small trailer, it's like you can't miss him.
It was visible. Yeah, that worried me at first when
I first read that, because small trailers are usually like
kids in the back, but apparently not. Like, yeah, no
one else was hurt. Fortunately. Why do you think people
think they can just get away with it. I don't know.
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I think I think the initial thing has got to
be their fear, and they're just they just want to
get out of there and hope that everything's fine. But again,
like we said, not the right thing to do. Two,
you have to have like something like this, And I'm
not this guy. I don't put him in the same
the same category as someone who goes out and and
commits a murder on purpose, because I do think this
was an accident that he panicked and ran from, but
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he still now did murder someone. Right? Do you think
he knew he was dead when he fled or do
you think he just thought maybe he was injured and
someone come and help him. I mean, why not check?
That's the best. Why not check? Why not check? But also,
let's be honest. This guy has super distinctive features. Like
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I said, he looks like the Michelin man. He's not Yeah,
he's not blending into a crowd, right, So so how
does he think that someone who looks this distinctive will
just be able to not get away with it? That
he doesn't think he's gonna get recognized and caught. He's
not an average looking person. It's very specific, very specific.
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Like imagine if you had balls but they were under
your ears. Well, give me a moment on that one,
because I haven't thought about that before. Um, he looks
like he was a snake that just swallowed a mouse.
Like that's where we're at with this guy. It looks
like he's a flesh tire, a flesh colored tire around
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his neck. Yeah, Um, you're right. He looks like one
big testicle, just live action, Mr potato Head. Yeah, and
this is this is not even someone that is gonna
be like if he's seen, if there's like a red
light camera right or any one of those things, you're
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going to see him through the windshield. Didn't know exactly
who this is. This isn't the type of guy that
you run into every day. So clearly again not thinking
because he got he did get Thankfully he did get caught.
I just he did. He did because he was so
specific looking that they were able to track him down. Yeah,
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and not to be lost in this in the in
the roasting that we're doing with him, or the anger
that we're throwing towards him, is that a sixty year
old guy was out riding his bike and and was killed.
And we don't know at what point he died, but
I can guarantee you if he dragged him and then
ran over him, if he had stopped right away and
done something, then things could have at least been better.
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I wonder. Yeah, man, this is one of those things
that just makes you feel like it wasn't an accident
because it's so strange. Yeah, I mean, it could have
been there could have been like a road raiser, something right,
something so odd, not that we're upstanding citizens or the
you know everybody I am. I was just throwing Actually
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I was throwing myself in the category with you. I
figured you were already in that category of not being um.
But shit, guys, do the right thing, like try try
and act like you're living in a society. If you
do something that's an accident, limit limit the repercussions for
yourself and for others. Dmitri. The heart and soul of
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this podcast mostly just the soul and the heart. But
there's no brains, so we're no brains, no brains. But
but that's fine, we don't need that here. And you guys,
this next one, I mean, this next hot topic is
really heartbreaking, not that they're all not heartbreaking, but this
one specifically affects me. So a woman calls out an
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Indiana pastor for taking her virginity at the age of
sixty mean, and there is a full clip where someone
has filmed part of it. Someone has filmed part of
her going up and yelling at this pastor in front
of the church. So if you want to listen to that,
go ahead and take a listen later. But it's I mean,
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it's did you watch any of that? Did watched the
whole thing? And it starts with this pastor speaking to
his congregation and saying, oh, I did something twenty years ago. Um,
you know I committed adultery. Um to say, plainly, I
didn't make a mistake, I didn't have any I didn't
have an affair. I just had a misjudgment and I sinned.
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And I'm here, I'm and I feel like I gotta
tell you. So I'm asking you for for your forgiveness.
So in the beginning, as you think these parishioners with
this very accepting of him coming clean about something he
said it was twenty years ago. Then when he's done,
this woman comes up. Wait wait But also before you
stay that, he got around of applause after that from
the congregation standing ovation. If I'm a standing ovation, okay,
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And it's like bos Lerman got a twenty minute standing
ovation at can at the end of Elvis, like that
was deserved different reasons. This this seems a little odd, okay, no, no,
please to me. So So okay, I get parishioners see
their pastor come clean and say I too, ifs, and
maybe they're like, okay, so they give him a standing ovation.
But he did this, and he had to have knowingly
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done this, so she must have said, hey, I'm going
to tell people about this, because then he came clean
what he claims after twenty years. She gets up and
goes to the microphone with her now husband and says,
it wasn't twenty years ago. It was twenty seven years ago,
and I was sixteen, and all of a sudden, you
can feel through this video, you can feel the energy
in this in this church shift, and all of a sudden,
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it's dead silent. She goes on to describe some more stuff,
and she, you know, and she said she wasn't the
only one. That he molested women fifteen sixteen seventeen, went
on for years, and that he took her virginity on
the floor of his office. Ye, and she says, do
you remember that. I know you remember that, And she
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approached with her husband, who then also took the microphone,
and he was saying, you know, I met her right
after this, and you know, we started dating right after this,
and I remember all this going down and and this
is all true, and it's interesting because it seemed planned
to do it with her there, But there's something that
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makes me feel like either she agreed to just yes
and it and then decided to kind of just hijack
and tell the full story. And she was saying, you know,
I can call them, I can call these other women
right now, and I can have them on the phone
stating exactly what you did to them, or or do
you think that. I mean, it's just weird because you know,
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obviously he's stepping down from the congregation that he was
saying that he sinned and that he didn't make a misjudgment,
that it was just sinning. No, that's a miss judgments.
It's everything he said it wasn't along with what he
said it was is all of that. Yeah, it's a mistakes,
he said. I didn't make a mistake. You made many mistakes.
He says, I committed adultery. And I gotta tell you,
cheating on your wife was not the worst thing that
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you did in that scenario, So don't lead with that.
This guy is a full and piece of ship. Yeah.
And then so I don't know if there was an
agreement where he's like, I'm gonna come clean, but then
he gets up there and he lies about the facts,
and it's like, so, so now you're just making it
better on yourself. I wonder, you know what, I wonder
if she said she was going to come forward and
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he was like, no, no, I have an idea. How
about I just tell everyone in the congregation what I've done,
and let's let's call it even instead of her, you know,
going because the me too movement is I mean, it
could have been that. And then she just decided to
grandstand it. And she said, so, I guess it went
on for a for a while. And she said, you know,
as she lived for twenty seven years in this prison,
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and she said, wasn't till she got married with this
husband and she found the strength to to not feel
shame for this. And she says she was sixteen. She
he groomed her, and then he carried on this thing
as if they were it was consensual, but it wasn't.
And now she's like, so now she says, she's finally
feeling free for having completed twenty seven years she lived
with this because she's strong. No, it went on and on,
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and it wasn't just for her, it was other women
as well. And I'm sure they'll come forward and share
all of their stories. And I think, however, this was
manufactured to go down, you know, I I think she's
really brave. The fact that she just came forward in
front of all these people is talking about getting molested,
and I mean rape, right, I mean this is rape.
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It's super brave, and it's it's you know, hopefully it's
empowering to the other women that that are feeling that
shame as she was feeling to to start to heal,
is to start to feel better. And I think she
did it for them as much as she did it
for herself. And her husband seems like a sweet, loving,
really compassionate man who also, unfortunately, it does feel a
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lot of times like women need a man to back
them up for people to take their claim seriously, right,
And so in that same video, you'll see when I said,
the room started to shift, the people started. The persons
who once stood and applauded him started calling back out
is this true? How old was she? So they started
peppering him with questions and that you could feel they
were I'm actually surprised he got out of there alive,
(18:26):
because you could feel them the anger starting to brew
up there. Right, it got really hot, really quick, as
it should have. And you know, I think he tried
to go out gracefully, but now it's disgracefully because however
grateful you can make. Yeah, he tried to make it
all poetic. I didn't make a mistake, I didn't have
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an affair. I've sinned, and now I'm asking for your forgiveness,
thank you. And he gets a standing ovation. He must
have been right. He must have been thinking, oh, I'm
getting out of this. Yeah, literally right up. Yeah, And
I'm so glad she got up and did what she did,
the strength that it took for her to do that,
and then for everybody to all of a sudden you know,
it's not the same thing at all, but just because
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of the likeness of it, when you go back to
the Will Smith thing at the Oscars, remember everybody applauded
him after the thing. It was like he got a
standing ovation. And it's like, I wanted people to turn
right then and there. And you know what, when when
I saw the standing ovation at the beginning of this
was like, I really hope there's more to this video.
And when they started to turn and they then you
could see them as she and her husband were walking out.
They were reaching out to her, and they were and
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there was you know, lending her support and saying that
they were there and and asking for forgiveness for something
that they hadn't done. I think the difference between Hollywood
and church is that church believes in hell and there's
no God, there's nothing, just straight up else. So I
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used it burgatory, I said, hell I said, but I said, no,
I think you know, it's, um, Hellywood, pretty pretty clear
why these people start I I hope. I mean, I'm
actually happy that they turned and started asking questions. I
mean him, and I'm glad. Yeah, because he, you know,
like we said, he thought, Okay, i'm gonna do this.
I'm gonna leave out some info. I'm gonna get it done.
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I'll look like a hero, I'm gonna get out of here.
And he didn't, which is exactly the beginning of what
he deserves, lying by omission. Yeah. Um, but what I'm
tired of. I'm tired of is is people you know,
using their religion as like a get out of jail
free card. Okay, we see it a lot nowadays. We
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see it with guns, we see it with all this
different stuff, and it's like, well, you know God told
me to do this, or you can't do this because
Jesus says it in the Bible. You're not speaking for him, okay,
And you shouldn't be making laws for other people. So
that goes. There's a lot of stuff. Now I'm talking
about guns, I'm talking about abortion. I'm talking about people
pointing fingers that like family values and and divorced families
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and religion, and that's their excuse for everything. And this
guy right here, he tried to do the same thing.
That was his excuse. I've sinned and now I'm coming clean.
Thank you for forgiving me. It's like, hold up, we're
not playing that game anymore. And I am a religious person.
I did grow up going to a church, but I
don't I don't buy the free pass thing. This really
reminds me of the Kevin Spacey ordeal, who, by the way,
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is now going to be representing himself in court because
he wants more stage time. Yea perfect, but do you
remember when Kevin Spacey got me too? It's like, whoever
Kevin space seing this pastor is working with for PR
that person is getting paid millions of dollars. I mean,
they have a very good pr person. Kevin Spacey was like, oh, yeah,
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you know what I did read a young man, But
it's because I was afraid to tell people I'm gay.
I'm gay now see, and and can't can't you just
applaud me for the fact that I'm coming out and
I'm a proud gay man. We're like, huh right, hold up,
and you know what that's excuse it's the exact same
thing as that guy we talked about before that the
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hit and run. No, because you know why while you
were doing what you're telling us you were doing with
Kevin Spacey was saying, you dragged somebody else down, and
you hurt someone else beyond you know, hopefully not beyond
repair at all, but certainly a long journey to deal
with that. And no, you don't when you do that
and you take someone else down than the the hero
(22:24):
the heroic story of I was afraid and now I'm not. No,
because you ruined other people's lives, right, And I just
think that these people who think so highly of themselves,
who are like, yeah, so I did that thing, but
you know, I still deserve applause. It's like, what right,
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the guy still deserve to be loved by everyone after
I it's like, huh and I'm being I'm being honest
and I'm coming out about it, yeah twenty seven years later,
because yeah, same thing with Kevin Spacey. Yeah you're coming
clean because you got busted right right right right? Uh
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them both moving on. Yeah. And also it's like, how
dare you do that to the gay community, right right,
because there's people that are that are legitimately struggling to
come out and they're not doing the things that you did,
but you're making it harder on on everybody, and you're
being selfish and you're yeah self or whatever. Okay, anyway,
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Happy Pride month. Alright, So we're moving along to our
next hot topic. This one is so bonkers, you guys.
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A sheep has found guilty and sentenced to three years
in jail for killing a woman in Africa. I think
that a sheep has been found guilty and has been
sentenced to prison. I think Peter has gone too far
this time. We don't they don't need equal rights, you
know what I mean? Like this is the vegan movement
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has to stop. I've never heard of an animal being
sent to prison. No, this is bizarre. So the sheep
has been found guilty and sentenced to three years in
jail for killing a woman in Sudan, Africa, in an
area called a Coulo. I probably mispronounced that I'm sorry
you to Matrid. It's reported that earlier this month, the
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police in South Sudan took a sheep into custody. Do
you think that they interrogated it? Where were you the
night of April fifteen at nine pm? You know, it's
like what um? After it attacked a forty five year
old woman named a Dude Chapping. It's reported that the
ram repeatedly headbutted her and broke her ribs. Now, I
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gotta know what the sheep said. Its motive was right,
I mean, but that's the thing. We we interrogated it,
it was found it found it guilty. It's like okay,
so but also so unfortunately, while she was recovering from
the sheep attack, she passed away from her injuries. And
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I don't know what else to say, but they literally
said they apprehended the ram and then put it into custody.
Do you think it's Do you think it's a there's
a bail set for it. So I mean, they're gonna
put sent this to three years in jail. So there
are they gonna put this sheep in a in a prison, which,
by the way, is just a zoo, right, because when
you put an animal behind bars, it's a zoo. First
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of all, clap clap, clap, Peter loves you. Second of all,
the owner, by the way, they said, is innocent and
the ram is the one who penetrated the crime. Perpetrated
I'm I I have something on the mind. Who knows
what it could be, but um, I'm gonna need a moment. Okay, Yeah,
you can take the girl out of Paris, but you
can't take that I'm gonna stop the girl. Okay, alright,
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So the owner is innocent and the ram is the
one who perpetrated the crime, so it deserves to be arrested.
And apparently the ram was a neighbor of this woman.
And then later on they said that the case will
be forwarded to customary court where the case can be
handled amicably. Okay, So I appreciate the fact that the
owner is innocent, because unless he trained this sheep to
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head butt and like showed her showed him a picture
and center after that, then you know, fine, So I'm
glad that the owner is not being you know, dragged
into something because his sheep did something ridiculous. I agree wholeheartedly. However,
I think everyone probably listening to this podcast or you know,
at least that lives in the United States, is used
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to when when an animal attacks and kills someone, that
animal is then euthanized. Yes, like when dogs bite humans,
et cetera. Right, and that fact, there was a story
I just saw this morning. There was a nine year
old in like Washington that was playing hide and seek
outside and I I was like a mountain, lion or
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something attacked her. She's in the hospital. I believe she's
going to be fine, but it's like so something like that, right,
remember the kid that fell in the zoo in Cincinnati
and the and then they ended up, you know, killing
the gorilla like this. I'm not I'm not taking one
side of the other, but that's the stuff that happens.
The fact that this sheep is being sentenced to prison
shows you a difference in these countries. Well. Also, if
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the sheep was a person, wouldn't they be put under
death row perhaps perhaps or whatever, depending on what the
laws are there. Yeah, I don't know what the I
think that's what it comes down to. It's a good point.
Whatever the laws are, they're they're very bizarre. I don't
know how many animals the animals they have killing humans
there and how many times they've had a trial like this.
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It doesn't sound like they were scrambling for pressing it right. Well. Also,
let's be honest, how long did the sheep live? Because
three years could be a life sentence. True, I don't know.
I don't know the lifespan of a sheep. I think
it's time to go to break And this has been
an episode of stupid news coming to you live by
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to real time crime folks, Sam, your hostly A Lamar,
and I have with me Dmitri Pappas Pampas Pampas PAPIs sorry,
Tom Trie episode likes living in Hell. Okay, Hollywood was
the baby? All Right, you guys, it's time for our
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drum roll please main case of the day. There's a
very fast. Drum roll, Thank you you guys. This show
Double Life, Double Murder is now streaming on Hulu and
there's a twenty investigation. Now. If you have not heard
about the murders of a married couple, Dennis and Normal Woodruff,
you're about two. So what happened? Here's the nitty gritty.
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A friend discovered married couple Dennis and Normal Wouldroffe murdered
in their home located in Rose City, Texas, in October
two thousand five. Authorities quickly suspected the couple's son, Brandon,
who was the last person to see his parents alive.
According to reports, Brandon had dinner with his parents and
leader left for Abilene. Friends of Brandon testified that he
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was supposed to pick them up at five PM and
Dallas the day of the murder for right to Abilene University,
but didn't arrive until ten pm. After ten pm, Dennis
and Norma not good. Doesn't look good for Brandon. Dennis
and Norma were found with bullets and stab wounds to
their necks and faces. So this is a huge act
of violence, right because someone wouldn't normally be dead after
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one bullet perhaps one stab wound, but it wasn't. It
wasn't a just a quick crime where you think, oh
my god, what have I done? Clearly when you follow
stuff up with more, right, whoever, this person was really
one of these people dead dead dead dead for sure.
The mother had multiple gunshots to the face and her
throat was slit, so you know, someone who was very
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angry or really wanted to make sure that there was
no chance that they would live. Okay, So the sun
is the is the main suspect, and like, like we
pointed out, he was supposed to be somewhere at five,
he didn't show up till after ten. If it's legitimately,
is just a case of running five hours late. Not
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the great not the best day for that to have
that have been done. Okay, So then authorities say I
recovered weapon, a dagger with one of the doms DNA
that they said belonged to Brandon could have been used
in the crime, and they found it in a barn,
and investigators argued that the dagger was the weapon used
to stab the couple, but Brandon claimed that his father
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had accidentally cut his hand with it long before. This
is starting to sound like the amount of ox case
records show that there were no signs of forced entry
or stolen items, and that the killer had cleaned up
in a bathroom of the home before fleeing. This scene
sounds like someone who A knew the property well, b
had access to the property. See, didn't want anything besides
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the death of these two people. Right, um, D knew
where the bathrooms we were and felt felt clear enough
on whatever these two people's schedules were, that no one
else was going to come to the house at any
point for anything, right, good point, because they felt they
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had enough time to clean up in the bathroom. Brandon
was arrested six days later after authorities found irregularities in
his testimony. Oh really Okay, so you guys, now we
get into the nitty gritty. A jury found Brandon guilty
after hearing from the persecution that Brandon had killed his
parents to receive their life insurance and live freely his
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secret life as a gay man in Dallas. So apparently
he was going back and forth from university where he
would go to Dallas and actually go out of state
from Texas to film adult movies. Ak he was doing porn,
gay porn, and he was a gay man in this
other life that he had, but he even had a girlfriend,
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and I guess he was just living a full on
double life. So he was sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole. He's already served thirteen years
of his life sentence and he maintains that he is innocent.
He claims that this is an anti gay bias influenced
people and the jury in his Texas Bible Belt City
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did not want him to be free, and since they
had no other suspects, they just wanted to pin it
on him, and Brandon says that he was falsely characterized
as a wild gay man who was living a double
life by the persecution in order to convince a very
conservative jury. He said, I'm innocent. I didn't kill my
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parents at all. I think you should look at the
totality of the evidence instead of pointing to any other information.
Although I did read that I guess his mom had
blonde hairs in her hand when she was found dead,
and they never tested the DNA on it, and they
don't know where the hair is now. He does have
blonde a share, by the way, and you would assume
that it was her trying to defend herself against the
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killer and that would probably really lock In this case,
authorities claimed that Brandon was living this double life, skipping
college classes, going to Dallas for wild adventures. You know,
this is usually what the what um what the prosecution
does when they're trying to pin it on some and
as they paint someone a villain, which is exactly what
happened to a man in Ox case, when that Italian
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prosecutor was trying to paint her as Foxy Knoxy, you know,
this sex enthused center who was having these like villainous
sex parties that were Satan involved. It's like what anyway,
so they try to character but so and you could
see why this would work in a small Texas town.
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Exactly having like weird you know, weird homosexual you know
parties and filming that is enough to get people in
a small Texas town riled up and wanting to shut
that down. So you could see that as as potentially
what happened. Right, And so his grandmother, Bonnie, has stood
by his innocence, paying for his legal fees and supporting
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his attempts to appeal his conviction. The Innocence Project of
Texas is now reviewing his case and the gun connected
to the killings was never found, but it's believed he
stole a gun from his ex girlfriend's mother's house, and
apparently the mother said that the gun and bullets were missing,
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and it is exactly the type of bullets that were
found at the scene, and it's very possible he had
been there the weekend before that he had stolen the gun,
but no one can prove it because they haven't found
the gun. But it seems a little too convenient in
my opinion, that she is in fact telling the truth.
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The problem for him is he says, don't look at
the fact that I had this other life going on.
Look at the what do you say that the totality, right,
And he said, look at that. But right now, that's
all still pointing to him, right, there's no other suspect. Look,
he grew up super popular that he was really beloved.
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He was outgoing, he was an animal lover. He was
president of the Future Farmers of America. He had a
steady girlfriend, and he was voted most school spirit. So
you know, when you have someone who's painted as this
really good kid, it's um away for them to say, no,
how could it be him? He's so gentle, he's so lovely,
everyone loved him. He couldn't be him being the murderer.
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I find the Yeah, I find the life insurance thing
a little more difficult to believe because but I know
people do this, but killing people doesn't get you that
life insurance right away. You're going to be a suspect,
especially because of it. I can't imagine that he did
this because he wanted that. It seems way too careless.
I just wonder if it's FROs But that could be
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a reason, because if you start back a second, you
froze there, you said. I just wonder. I just wonder
if his parents were against homosexuality, and so he felt
like he could never be himself or come out. And
maybe maybe it's something that's just been brewing for a while. Maybe,
and that's certainly a storyline that that could be feasible.
But know, just leave, man, leave. We need a motive.
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And and so that's the other thing is like I
want more information about this case, and obviously I think
we'll receive it on But apparently eight of the twelve
jurors admitted to believing homosexuality was morally wrong. Do you
think that they should have been able to serve on
the jury. No, no, I don't. Uh no, I don't,
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because that's the main thing that they're painting him with.
And you know, then you're getting into his lifestyle. Is
fine if if he was doing those things, that is
in his right to do. But that's what it goes
back to what we said earlier in the show. You
can't then have someone come in that's super religious and
be like, no, I think that's wrong. Therefore I think
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he killed his parents. There's two different things. I know.
I also, you know it took him thirteen years to
finally give a TV interview and explain why he's innocent.
That seems like a very long time. I feel like
you would want to do earlier if you were Indeed,
I feel like you would want to do that earlier.
This feels like some sort of weird last Hurrah cry
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for attention, wait to Gardner support. I don't even know.
I mean, I don't know who the other suspects are.
It just seems like all science point to him. But
I think the question is why is it really all
about this life? Like, did anybody interview the grandmother? Was
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she on the stand during this the grandmother that supports
him that I don't know, because I'd like to hear
her story about the about the family dynamic and this
and that and why she thinks he didn't do it
or what I mean. Listen, this is this is the
movie Watcher and me going into this. But it's like
who knows, you know, like American Beauty, who knows what's
going on with the dad? Right? Who knows what the
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situation was growing up, if there was any kind of
physical abuse or this and that. So I think all
of that kind of stuff plays into this. I don't
think you can just pit it on that he was
a while guy. And this reminds me of did you
ever hear that there was that case, um, that whole
family got murdered in like Indiana and wanted It was
a pastor and his family and this is Wasn't this
a case we covered last week Piketown massacres. No, this
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is oh no, no, no, this is a different family
that murdered people, got it, got my mom? So the
whole family, well, I mean sorry, there's so many of them,
so and so. Um, what it came out to was
everybody said, oh, the father and his son were fighting,
the son wanted to go to the prom. Father said no,
So then they said he went and killed his whole
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family because he wanted to go. Because then he went
to the prom and they picked him up. I didn't
know his family was dead. It was this whole thing,
and everyone's like, that's what it was. He was this
and they were all quick to point it out and
to shut the case. And this that now another true
crime podcast. And I don't mind giving their name because
they don't do what we do. But they counterclock did
something and they went through and investigated this whole thing,
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and now they're like, oh, there was a tie where
somebody owed money in Florida and they found this whole
other thing going on. And that kind of reminds me
of this story because it's so obvious that it was
this guy. But you know what, if you had people
that knew what they were doing, they could have shown
up and they would make it seem like it was
They could easily make it seem like it was someone else.
Get out of there, clean up what they needed to
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clean up, get out of there, and make it seem like, oh,
the son's the obvious choice. So I don't I can't
say for a percent that that he did it, because
I think there's a lot of variables in play. Well.
Apparently authorities claimed that his timeline of events were super
inconsistent when he was asked about the murders. And you know,
we've seen this before where they get forced confection force
confessions because they're nervous or shocked or or physically harmed
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into giving a false confession. They just want to go home,
or they want to take a deal or whatever it is,
because they're scared and afraid. But apparently so they were
killed in a brand new home. They moved to a
new home. They were downsizing, and they were killed in
their new home. And according to the timeline, there was
maybe about like nineteen minutes in between when people actually
saw Brandon and the last phone call that was made
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to the mom by someone else that the murders could
have happened in if it was Brandon. And that's a
pretty short amount of time. It is a short amount
of time. And did they go out to dinner or
were they because I would love to know if they
were out to dinner, I'd love to know people that
saw them there was that, you know, a contentious dinner.
Were they arguing where they there was between them, any
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any people that saw them before that, and the grandmother
I'd love to hear from. Yeah, it's interesting because this
is a little reminiscent of the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case,
where you know, you see all these photos on Instagram
and then being a super happy couple and everything's hunky dory,
and then when you look at the nitty gritty, they're
fighting constantly and there's physical and verbal abuse happening regularly,
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and we just really don't know what the picture looks
like up close and personal. But that's also don't know
until it becomes a TV movie, exactly until Netflix luss, Now,
what's up? You know? Man? This case is so heartbreaking,
but it's interesting because there are just no other suspects,
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at least in the amount of Knox case. There was
another suspect, like there's usually or theories, even theories. There's
there are no theories about anyone else, right, No, and
that doesn't mean that there isn't you know, something like
guy was pointing up before there could be something someone
could have stopped by in between that time. So so
random and seems so unbelievable, but to be honest, all
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of this seems so unbelievable because that's just not who
we are. But it goes back to what we said,
man like, if you're there are plenty of people that
don't like their kids, There are plenty of kids that
don't like their parents. Just if if, if they don't
agree with your life, just move on. Just you know,
there's always the possibility of new neighborhood. Maybe people saw
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who was moving in. Maybe maybe we don't know what
the parents were involved in, and there was something much
cheaper happening, just like in the Piketown murders where then
suddenly they started chasing it back to Carton. Well whatever
they chase down to um anyway. Um, So yeah, we
just don't know. But I would suggest watching the Hulu
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show Double Life, Double Murder, And what do you guys think?
What do you guys think? Do you think that Brandon
killed his parents brutally murdered his parents for life insurance
so that he could start his life anew and have freedom.
Do you think that? Or do you think that this
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case will probably go unsolved and that they may never
find the killer. Yeah, I mean call and let us know,
But I think me personally, the life insurance seems like
a far fetched to me, but I know people have
done it, and I could buy that the jury was
a little skewed because it was a small town of
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Texas and what his lifestyle was doesn't mean he didn't
do it. That's I mean. I could also if I
want to go running why old with my thoughts here,
I could think maybe somebody set him up to be
guilty because of that, because they had a problem with that,
because they had a problem to parents or whatever. So oh,
the plot thick ends Tomitri right, good, good one. I'm
gonna virtually high five you appreciate that, Yeah, guys, d
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M s let us know what you think. Also for
the people who are sending me d ms like hey,
I've got two crimes for you with video that no
one knows about. I don't want those. Please send them
to the police. I am very worried about those. Yeah, yeah,
or send them to Dmitri. I'm not the person that
should be looking at those, um, but I do appreciate it.
(44:40):
Especially has a boyfriend. She spends way less time in
her M just kidding, she's there. Keep writing to her. No,
my manager told me he was like, uh so you're
getting some weird d M s. And I was like, okay,
cool anyway, but do call us, you know, like why
not call us and leave a voicemail. And if the
voicemails like, hey, I saw these two crimes and I've
got videos, fine, fine, but you know, just let us
(45:03):
know if there's a casey thing we should look into.
We're always having our eyes and ears open for the
hot tips, except for when they should go to the
police directly. Well, but I also feel comfortable to listen
if you if this is what are safe space, and
you want to bring it to us, then we can
discuss it and maybe send it onto the police. Yeah. Actually, yes,
(45:24):
you're right, Dmitri. You're right, You're right, right right, if
you have information, get it out there, you know what.
I guess, that's what we're here for. And if you've
committed a crime and you're trying to make it better
on yourself by not coming clean, just don't make it
make it easy and clean on our voicemail. That's not
(45:45):
that's not wearable. But but if we're are safe before
your safe space, this is right. Disagree, agains you know what, fine,
call us, but you know, I keep the really intense
ones off the voicemail. I mean, I guess they're all intense.
Huh No. It's like if you're like, oh, I committed
petty theft and stole the staplers from my old place
of work, you know, let us know. Yeah. Wow. If
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you're like, oh, why Jay walked in l A, you know,
keep that to yourself. That's very serious. It's very very serious. Yeah,
we don't. We can't handle something like that. That's a
crime punishable by death in Los Angeles. Imagine if a
sheep jay walked. All right, Well, I think we've come
to I think we've come to the end. And just
as a reminder, you guys, the voicemail is eight six
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six twenty one crime. That's eight six six twenty one crime,
eight six six twenty one crime. That's eight six six
two on two seven four six three. I just love
the fact that Adam is sitting there in this room
watching like you had to do that in front of
him and he had to sit there and watch it.
You guys still together. He's passed out. Do you think
we bored him to death? I just looked over to
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see his look of mortification. And in fact there was nothing.
He's just he's sleeping. And I will say that he
is committing a crime right now because I've told him
a million times. But I'm like, no outside clothes on
the bed and he's passed out on the pillows where
I put my face with his dirty jeans. Um, we're
gonna have a talk about this. This relationship is over
(47:16):
before it started. You guys follow us on Real Time
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Lamar with two rs on Instagram, Twitter, my Lee Lamar
dot com and Leon Lamar at five hours on TikTok
for show dates. Usually just Instagram is the place to
find me. I will be back in l A next week,
(47:37):
so I will start doing shows in l A again.
I will be at the Improv. I got some other
shows lined up already and I think I'll be doing
some shows in London Sunday Monday. So if you're in
London and you hear this Maniana, comma see me, do
you have me? I'll give you my schedule. I don't
know what that was. I think that's Italian and then
and that was that's the only place I haven't been
(47:58):
to in Europe. Since I got here, I mean, besides
all the other places. I no offense, but I don't
need to go to Germany. Been there, genetically done that. Um,
they can you know whatever. I just so Dmitri, we
can find you on the internet. Just had Dmitri pappas.
They had Dmitri Papas. Yeah, you don't need the Southern
(48:20):
accent when you write it a s. Dmitri, Do you
hate me? I do? Not really happy. It's better than
people who go papas. Anyway, you guys, this has been real. UM,
love you so much. Stay safe out there. Don't commend
(48:42):
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Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Real Time Crime. I'm your host, Leo Lamar, and I
have with me my compadre. You've been working on a
(00:23):
new title, not working well enough. But it's Dmitri. You guys, Dmitri.
How are you? I'm doing well? Thank you? How are you?
You know? Dmitri? I think we know how I'm doing.
I think we do. And just to fill other people,
and Leah is still out of the country, I did
(00:44):
buy my plane ticket back for next Tuesday. All right,
Well that's I know, it's exciting. And um, if a
British boyfriend, not to brag, but to brag, oh my gosh,
you just use the boyfriend were I know? I know,
I went to Europe and I bought the first house
I saw, so um, just so we're clear, then, the
(01:10):
crime that has been committed is that your single life
has been assassinated by yeah, yeah, by And we're referring
to Adam, right, and his name is Adam. Oh my god,
poor guy. He's sitting by himself on the bed doing
work and he just seems content. That's what you need.
(01:34):
That's a good thing in a relationship. He just looked
at me. Oh no, he just said help me. He
does not helped me. But bad news for you, boo.
I'm the only one here. He's so trapped. Okay. Anyway, um,
this is a future crime for sure, a future crime
of fashion. Sorry, Adam, you were great while you last it. Anyway,
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you guys, so many hilariously odd stories this week. Yeah,
I mean it's and it's kind of a nice change
of pace from there's been some heavy stuff lately, so
it's nice to get. And not any crime is good,
but some of this stuff is very strange. Some of
the stuff is very bizarre. And not that any of
these are ha ha funny. People are dying, but they
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are strange, so let's put it that way. Number one,
Number two, Yes, I'm in Paris for the keeping score
following along with my Instagram and for those of you
who are not, this has really been I'm exhausted. I'm
I'm ready to come home, but I'm not not ready
to come home. You've been going for like, what is
it like six months? Now five weeks? Same? But you
(02:47):
know what, I've never been to Europe, so I think
I'm just at this like a backlog for all the
trips I should have taken. Yeah, listen, um, and your
first out of Europe and you come home with a boyfriend.
That's pretty good, not bad, right, I mean most people
study it when they go to college and they spend
over six months. I didn't even do that, so I
would say this is my college study abroad. I also,
(03:08):
you know, godboyfriend and um who knows, probably COVID. It's
just like really hard to say what else has been
going on here? So which of these things are you
bringing home? Hopefully not COVID, just COVID. Okay, So, so
Adam lives there, Adam lives in the UK. No one
cares about besides us. Oh, I see, I've never seen
(03:33):
to get so deflated. I don't think that just means
you don't want to talk about it. Yet it is
not that I don't want to talk about it. He
lives in London and we're going to figure out the
distance situation. M All right, babe, do you care that
I'm telling everyone about our love life? He said no. So,
(03:54):
I mean he has to get used to I remember,
I want to stay with this guy. He was like,
I don't want to be in your set. Don't put
me in your stand up, and I was like, well,
I don't want to date you, and you do stand
up you have a podcast, he's willing to be in.
It's all right, good, you gotta come along for the ride.
You know. It's like, if you don't want to be
in my stand up set, means you don't want to
(04:14):
be part of my life, right because your life is
a stand up set. Because my life I just talked
about what's going on. My life is comedy, you know.
I talked about what's going on. So if people don't
want to be part of that, then they don't want
to be part of this anyway. So you know what,
let's just get back to crime. You know what really
matters today. We're gonna be talking about an Arizona man
(04:36):
charged after mowing down and killing a bicyclist with his truck.
It was a hit and run. A woman calling out
an Indiana pastor for taking her virgin virginity at sixteen.
A sheep found guilty and sentenced to three years in
jail for killing a woman in Africa, And then we
will be talking about our main crime for today, the
murders of Dennis and normal Wood Druffe. A feel like
(05:00):
we just got to clarify one thing, because we said
these stories were lighter and more fun and I was
really just thinking about the sheep one. Um, yeah, me too,
to be honest, that's just sheep going to jail is
kind of a hilarious thought. But also people are dead,
so it's not that funny. It's not funny. Well you
know us, and by us, I mean me. Okay, So alright,
(05:23):
so the first story. You know, look, I know that
this is a podcast and so most of you are
not looking at anything, but I do need you to
google this guy because we're about to roast the ship
out of him. Sorry, sorry, but this man looks like
(05:44):
an overgrown potato. He looks like he swallowed a brick.
He does. He does have some sort of melting um
look to him, you know, kind of a job of
the hut melting. And listen, I want this clear. Now,
we're we're coming out. We're not shaming this guy because
he's heavy. This is not a fashiaming thing. This is
(06:06):
a shaming this guy because he's a douche bag who
killed someone on a bike and took off. If we're
not allowed to roast murderers, who are we allowed to roast. Yeah,
and you know, it looks like he's got a thyroid issue.
M Do you think he has tonsilitis amongst the stuff. Yes,
(06:32):
it does look like when you get um an ice
cream cone and they overdo it on the scoops. Yeah,
he looks now ed from ninety fiance won't feel so alone. Yes, good,
he's got a twin brother. Well, let's so let's explain
what he did. This way we can kind of hate
him even more. All right, Okay, So our first case
(06:53):
for today is an Arizona man charged after mowing down
and killing a bicyclist with his truck. So the culprit
has been identified as thirty nine year old Fernando Ramos
and his victim identified as six year old George Cooper,
who died on the scene of the hit and run.
I don't know why people think that they get they're
going to get away with hit and runs, do you No,
(07:14):
I don't. There's cameras everywhere nowadays, there's also I witnesses everywhere,
and it's like you're in a you're in a truck
with a license plate with and this guy is This
guy doesn't blend into a crowd. No, he sure does not.
The Sheriff's office received multiple calls for the collision involving
a car on a cyclist. When police arrived, he'd already
(07:35):
fled the scene, and he didn't even try to help
Cooper and witnesses said that they saw his Chevy truck
crash into the cyclist, drag him along the road, and
then run him over just before fleeing the scene. So
so let's back that up for a second. So if
you accidentally hit somebody and you stop, that is the
(07:56):
best case scenario. You get out and you help him.
This guy kept going, therefore dragging this guy and ultimately
running him over and then taking off. So zero regard
for human life. This was a sixty year old guy
riding his bike. He could have saved and or helped
at any point before actually murdering him, but who knows.
(08:18):
At one point he was already dead. And I understand,
I understand panic when things go wrong, but I think
that's when you're really gotta take over and you've got
to think, Okay, let's make this the it's this. It's
the same thing with the people that running from anything.
If you did it, I know you don't want to
own up to it because you're terrified. But make it
the best case scenario. When you people start lying to
(08:39):
the police, it's the same, it's the same thing. Stop
you're making it worse. Anytime someone runs, it's basically showing
an admission of guilt. You're freaked out, you don't want
to do you run. So apparently he was biking. Cooper
was biking the northeastern lane of the road and had
a small trailer hitch to him when he was struck.
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Even he a small trailer, it's like you can't miss him.
It was visible. Yeah, that worried me at first when
I first read that, because small trailers are usually like
kids in the back, but apparently not. Like, yeah, no
one else was hurt. Fortunately. Why do you think people
think they can just get away with it. I don't know.
(09:20):
I think I think the initial thing has got to
be their fear, and they're just they just want to
get out of there and hope that everything's fine. But again,
like we said, not the right thing to do. Two,
you have to have like something like this, And I'm
not this guy. I don't put him in the same
the same category as someone who goes out and and
commits a murder on purpose, because I do think this
was an accident that he panicked and ran from, but
(09:42):
he still now did murder someone. Right? Do you think
he knew he was dead when he fled or do
you think he just thought maybe he was injured and
someone come and help him. I mean, why not check?
That's the best. Why not check? Why not check? But also,
let's be honest. This guy has super distinctive features. Like
(10:04):
I said, he looks like the Michelin man. He's not Yeah,
he's not blending into a crowd, right, So so how
does he think that someone who looks this distinctive will
just be able to not get away with it? That
he doesn't think he's gonna get recognized and caught. He's
not an average looking person. It's very specific, very specific.
(10:26):
Like imagine if you had balls but they were under
your ears. Well, give me a moment on that one,
because I haven't thought about that before. Um, he looks
like he was a snake that just swallowed a mouse.
Like that's where we're at with this guy. It looks
like he's a flesh tire, a flesh colored tire around
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his neck. Yeah, Um, you're right. He looks like one
big testicle, just live action, Mr potato Head. Yeah, and
this is this is not even someone that is gonna
be like if he's seen, if there's like a red
light camera right or any one of those things, you're
(11:06):
going to see him through the windshield. Didn't know exactly
who this is. This isn't the type of guy that
you run into every day. So clearly again not thinking
because he got he did get Thankfully he did get caught.
I just he did. He did because he was so
specific looking that they were able to track him down. Yeah,
(11:27):
and not to be lost in this in the in
the roasting that we're doing with him, or the anger
that we're throwing towards him, is that a sixty year
old guy was out riding his bike and and was killed.
And we don't know at what point he died, but
I can guarantee you if he dragged him and then
ran over him, if he had stopped right away and
done something, then things could have at least been better.
(11:49):
I wonder. Yeah, man, this is one of those things
that just makes you feel like it wasn't an accident
because it's so strange. Yeah, I mean, it could have
been there could have been like a road raiser, something right,
something so odd, not that we're upstanding citizens or the
you know everybody I am. I was just throwing Actually
(12:12):
I was throwing myself in the category with you. I
figured you were already in that category of not being um.
But shit, guys, do the right thing, like try try
and act like you're living in a society. If you
do something that's an accident, limit limit the repercussions for
yourself and for others. Dmitri. The heart and soul of
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this podcast mostly just the soul and the heart. But
there's no brains, so we're no brains, no brains. But
but that's fine, we don't need that here. And you guys,
this next one, I mean, this next hot topic is
really heartbreaking, not that they're all not heartbreaking, but this
one specifically affects me. So a woman calls out an
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Indiana pastor for taking her virginity at the age of
sixty mean, and there is a full clip where someone
has filmed part of it. Someone has filmed part of
her going up and yelling at this pastor in front
of the church. So if you want to listen to that,
go ahead and take a listen later. But it's I mean,
(13:18):
it's did you watch any of that? Did watched the
whole thing? And it starts with this pastor speaking to
his congregation and saying, oh, I did something twenty years ago. Um,
you know I committed adultery. Um to say, plainly, I
didn't make a mistake, I didn't have any I didn't
have an affair. I just had a misjudgment and I sinned.
(13:38):
And I'm here, I'm and I feel like I gotta
tell you. So I'm asking you for for your forgiveness.
So in the beginning, as you think these parishioners with
this very accepting of him coming clean about something he
said it was twenty years ago. Then when he's done,
this woman comes up. Wait wait But also before you
stay that, he got around of applause after that from
the congregation standing ovation. If I'm a standing ovation, okay,
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And it's like bos Lerman got a twenty minute standing
ovation at can at the end of Elvis, like that
was deserved different reasons. This this seems a little odd, okay, no, no,
please to me. So So okay, I get parishioners see
their pastor come clean and say I too, ifs, and
maybe they're like, okay, so they give him a standing ovation.
But he did this, and he had to have knowingly
(14:21):
done this, so she must have said, hey, I'm going
to tell people about this, because then he came clean
what he claims after twenty years. She gets up and
goes to the microphone with her now husband and says,
it wasn't twenty years ago. It was twenty seven years ago,
and I was sixteen, and all of a sudden, you
can feel through this video, you can feel the energy
in this in this church shift, and all of a sudden,
(14:43):
it's dead silent. She goes on to describe some more stuff,
and she, you know, and she said she wasn't the
only one. That he molested women fifteen sixteen seventeen, went
on for years, and that he took her virginity on
the floor of his office. Ye, and she says, do
you remember that. I know you remember that, And she
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approached with her husband, who then also took the microphone,
and he was saying, you know, I met her right
after this, and you know, we started dating right after this,
and I remember all this going down and and this
is all true, and it's interesting because it seemed planned
to do it with her there, But there's something that
(15:26):
makes me feel like either she agreed to just yes
and it and then decided to kind of just hijack
and tell the full story. And she was saying, you know,
I can call them, I can call these other women
right now, and I can have them on the phone
stating exactly what you did to them, or or do
you think that. I mean, it's just weird because you know,
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obviously he's stepping down from the congregation that he was
saying that he sinned and that he didn't make a misjudgment,
that it was just sinning. No, that's a miss judgments.
It's everything he said it wasn't along with what he
said it was is all of that. Yeah, it's a mistakes,
he said. I didn't make a mistake. You made many mistakes.
He says, I committed adultery. And I gotta tell you,
cheating on your wife was not the worst thing that
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you did in that scenario, So don't lead with that.
This guy is a full and piece of ship. Yeah.
And then so I don't know if there was an
agreement where he's like, I'm gonna come clean, but then
he gets up there and he lies about the facts,
and it's like, so, so now you're just making it
better on yourself. I wonder, you know what, I wonder
if she said she was going to come forward and
(16:33):
he was like, no, no, I have an idea. How
about I just tell everyone in the congregation what I've done,
and let's let's call it even instead of her, you know,
going because the me too movement is I mean, it
could have been that. And then she just decided to
grandstand it. And she said, so, I guess it went
on for a for a while. And she said, you know,
as she lived for twenty seven years in this prison,
(16:54):
and she said, wasn't till she got married with this
husband and she found the strength to to not feel
shame for this. And she says she was sixteen. She
he groomed her, and then he carried on this thing
as if they were it was consensual, but it wasn't.
And now she's like, so now she says, she's finally
feeling free for having completed twenty seven years she lived
with this because she's strong. No, it went on and on,
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and it wasn't just for her, it was other women
as well. And I'm sure they'll come forward and share
all of their stories. And I think, however, this was
manufactured to go down, you know, I I think she's
really brave. The fact that she just came forward in
front of all these people is talking about getting molested,
and I mean rape, right, I mean this is rape.
(17:43):
It's super brave, and it's it's you know, hopefully it's
empowering to the other women that that are feeling that
shame as she was feeling to to start to heal,
is to start to feel better. And I think she
did it for them as much as she did it
for herself. And her husband seems like a sweet, loving,
really compassionate man who also, unfortunately, it does feel a
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lot of times like women need a man to back
them up for people to take their claim seriously, right,
And so in that same video, you'll see when I said,
the room started to shift, the people started. The persons
who once stood and applauded him started calling back out
is this true? How old was she? So they started
peppering him with questions and that you could feel they
were I'm actually surprised he got out of there alive,
(18:26):
because you could feel them the anger starting to brew
up there. Right, it got really hot, really quick, as
it should have. And you know, I think he tried
to go out gracefully, but now it's disgracefully because however
grateful you can make. Yeah, he tried to make it
all poetic. I didn't make a mistake, I didn't have
(18:47):
an affair. I've sinned, and now I'm asking for your forgiveness,
thank you. And he gets a standing ovation. He must
have been right. He must have been thinking, oh, I'm
getting out of this. Yeah, literally right up. Yeah, And
I'm so glad she got up and did what she did,
the strength that it took for her to do that,
and then for everybody to all of a sudden you know,
it's not the same thing at all, but just because
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of the likeness of it, when you go back to
the Will Smith thing at the Oscars, remember everybody applauded
him after the thing. It was like he got a
standing ovation. And it's like, I wanted people to turn
right then and there. And you know what, when when
I saw the standing ovation at the beginning of this
was like, I really hope there's more to this video.
And when they started to turn and they then you
could see them as she and her husband were walking out.
They were reaching out to her, and they were and
(19:29):
there was you know, lending her support and saying that
they were there and and asking for forgiveness for something
that they hadn't done. I think the difference between Hollywood
and church is that church believes in hell and there's
no God, there's nothing, just straight up else. So I
(19:53):
used it burgatory, I said, hell I said, but I said, no,
I think you know, it's, um, Hellywood, pretty pretty clear
why these people start I I hope. I mean, I'm
actually happy that they turned and started asking questions. I
mean him, and I'm glad. Yeah, because he, you know,
like we said, he thought, Okay, i'm gonna do this.
I'm gonna leave out some info. I'm gonna get it done.
(20:14):
I'll look like a hero, I'm gonna get out of here.
And he didn't, which is exactly the beginning of what
he deserves, lying by omission. Yeah. Um, but what I'm
tired of. I'm tired of is is people you know,
using their religion as like a get out of jail
free card. Okay, we see it a lot nowadays. We
(20:34):
see it with guns, we see it with all this
different stuff, and it's like, well, you know God told
me to do this, or you can't do this because
Jesus says it in the Bible. You're not speaking for him, okay,
And you shouldn't be making laws for other people. So
that goes. There's a lot of stuff. Now I'm talking
about guns, I'm talking about abortion. I'm talking about people
pointing fingers that like family values and and divorced families
(20:56):
and religion, and that's their excuse for everything. And this
guy right here, he tried to do the same thing.
That was his excuse. I've sinned and now I'm coming clean.
Thank you for forgiving me. It's like, hold up, we're
not playing that game anymore. And I am a religious person.
I did grow up going to a church, but I
don't I don't buy the free pass thing. This really
reminds me of the Kevin Spacey ordeal, who, by the way,
(21:18):
is now going to be representing himself in court because
he wants more stage time. Yea perfect, but do you
remember when Kevin Spacey got me too? It's like, whoever
Kevin space seing this pastor is working with for PR
that person is getting paid millions of dollars. I mean,
they have a very good pr person. Kevin Spacey was like, oh, yeah,
(21:41):
you know what I did read a young man, But
it's because I was afraid to tell people I'm gay.
I'm gay now see, and and can't can't you just
applaud me for the fact that I'm coming out and
I'm a proud gay man. We're like, huh right, hold up,
and you know what that's excuse it's the exact same
thing as that guy we talked about before that the
(22:03):
hit and run. No, because you know why while you
were doing what you're telling us you were doing with
Kevin Spacey was saying, you dragged somebody else down, and
you hurt someone else beyond you know, hopefully not beyond
repair at all, but certainly a long journey to deal
with that. And no, you don't when you do that
and you take someone else down than the the hero
(22:24):
the heroic story of I was afraid and now I'm not. No,
because you ruined other people's lives, right, And I just
think that these people who think so highly of themselves,
who are like, yeah, so I did that thing, but
you know, I still deserve applause. It's like, what right,
(22:45):
the guy still deserve to be loved by everyone after
I it's like, huh and I'm being I'm being honest
and I'm coming out about it, yeah twenty seven years later,
because yeah, same thing with Kevin Spacey. Yeah you're coming
clean because you got busted right right right right? Uh
(23:05):
them both moving on. Yeah. And also it's like, how
dare you do that to the gay community, right right,
because there's people that are that are legitimately struggling to
come out and they're not doing the things that you did,
but you're making it harder on on everybody, and you're
being selfish and you're yeah self or whatever. Okay, anyway,
(23:27):
Happy Pride month. Alright, So we're moving along to our
next hot topic. This one is so bonkers, you guys.
(23:50):
A sheep has found guilty and sentenced to three years
in jail for killing a woman in Africa. I think
that a sheep has been found guilty and has been
sentenced to prison. I think Peter has gone too far
this time. We don't they don't need equal rights, you
know what I mean? Like this is the vegan movement
(24:10):
has to stop. I've never heard of an animal being
sent to prison. No, this is bizarre. So the sheep
has been found guilty and sentenced to three years in
jail for killing a woman in Sudan, Africa, in an
area called a Coulo. I probably mispronounced that I'm sorry
you to Matrid. It's reported that earlier this month, the
(24:33):
police in South Sudan took a sheep into custody. Do
you think that they interrogated it? Where were you the
night of April fifteen at nine pm? You know, it's
like what um? After it attacked a forty five year
old woman named a Dude Chapping. It's reported that the
ram repeatedly headbutted her and broke her ribs. Now, I
(24:56):
gotta know what the sheep said. Its motive was right,
I mean, but that's the thing. We we interrogated it,
it was found it found it guilty. It's like okay,
so but also so unfortunately, while she was recovering from
the sheep attack, she passed away from her injuries. And
(25:20):
I don't know what else to say, but they literally
said they apprehended the ram and then put it into custody.
Do you think it's Do you think it's a there's
a bail set for it. So I mean, they're gonna
put sent this to three years in jail. So there
are they gonna put this sheep in a in a prison, which,
by the way, is just a zoo, right, because when
you put an animal behind bars, it's a zoo. First
(25:43):
of all, clap clap, clap, Peter loves you. Second of all,
the owner, by the way, they said, is innocent and
the ram is the one who penetrated the crime. Perpetrated
I'm I I have something on the mind. Who knows
what it could be, but um, I'm gonna need a moment. Okay, Yeah,
you can take the girl out of Paris, but you
can't take that I'm gonna stop the girl. Okay, alright,
(26:07):
So the owner is innocent and the ram is the
one who perpetrated the crime, so it deserves to be arrested.
And apparently the ram was a neighbor of this woman.
And then later on they said that the case will
be forwarded to customary court where the case can be
handled amicably. Okay, So I appreciate the fact that the
owner is innocent, because unless he trained this sheep to
(26:30):
head butt and like showed her showed him a picture
and center after that, then you know, fine, So I'm
glad that the owner is not being you know, dragged
into something because his sheep did something ridiculous. I agree wholeheartedly. However,
I think everyone probably listening to this podcast or you know,
at least that lives in the United States, is used
(26:50):
to when when an animal attacks and kills someone, that
animal is then euthanized. Yes, like when dogs bite humans,
et cetera. Right, and that fact, there was a story
I just saw this morning. There was a nine year
old in like Washington that was playing hide and seek
outside and I I was like a mountain, lion or
(27:12):
something attacked her. She's in the hospital. I believe she's
going to be fine, but it's like so something like that, right,
remember the kid that fell in the zoo in Cincinnati
and the and then they ended up, you know, killing
the gorilla like this. I'm not I'm not taking one
side of the other, but that's the stuff that happens.
The fact that this sheep is being sentenced to prison
shows you a difference in these countries. Well. Also, if
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the sheep was a person, wouldn't they be put under
death row perhaps perhaps or whatever, depending on what the
laws are there. Yeah, I don't know what the I
think that's what it comes down to. It's a good point.
Whatever the laws are, they're they're very bizarre. I don't
know how many animals the animals they have killing humans
there and how many times they've had a trial like this.
(27:58):
It doesn't sound like they were scrambling for pressing it right. Well. Also,
let's be honest, how long did the sheep live? Because
three years could be a life sentence. True, I don't know.
I don't know the lifespan of a sheep. I think
it's time to go to break And this has been
an episode of stupid news coming to you live by
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leand Dmitri. Al Right, guys, don't touch that dial. We'll
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(28:41):
to real time crime folks, Sam, your hostly A Lamar,
and I have with me Dmitri Pappas Pampas Pampas PAPIs sorry,
Tom Trie episode likes living in Hell. Okay, Hollywood was
the baby? All Right, you guys, it's time for our
(29:02):
drum roll please main case of the day. There's a
very fast. Drum roll, Thank you you guys. This show
Double Life, Double Murder is now streaming on Hulu and
there's a twenty investigation. Now. If you have not heard
about the murders of a married couple, Dennis and Normal Woodruff,
you're about two. So what happened? Here's the nitty gritty.
(29:24):
A friend discovered married couple Dennis and Normal Wouldroffe murdered
in their home located in Rose City, Texas, in October
two thousand five. Authorities quickly suspected the couple's son, Brandon,
who was the last person to see his parents alive.
According to reports, Brandon had dinner with his parents and
leader left for Abilene. Friends of Brandon testified that he
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was supposed to pick them up at five PM and
Dallas the day of the murder for right to Abilene University,
but didn't arrive until ten pm. After ten pm, Dennis
and Norma not good. Doesn't look good for Brandon. Dennis
and Norma were found with bullets and stab wounds to
their necks and faces. So this is a huge act
of violence, right because someone wouldn't normally be dead after
(30:07):
one bullet perhaps one stab wound, but it wasn't. It
wasn't a just a quick crime where you think, oh
my god, what have I done? Clearly when you follow
stuff up with more, right, whoever, this person was really
one of these people dead dead dead dead for sure.
The mother had multiple gunshots to the face and her
throat was slit, so you know, someone who was very
(30:30):
angry or really wanted to make sure that there was
no chance that they would live. Okay, So the sun
is the is the main suspect, and like, like we
pointed out, he was supposed to be somewhere at five,
he didn't show up till after ten. If it's legitimately,
is just a case of running five hours late. Not
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the great not the best day for that to have
that have been done. Okay, So then authorities say I
recovered weapon, a dagger with one of the doms DNA
that they said belonged to Brandon could have been used
in the crime, and they found it in a barn,
and investigators argued that the dagger was the weapon used
to stab the couple, but Brandon claimed that his father
(31:12):
had accidentally cut his hand with it long before. This
is starting to sound like the amount of ox case
records show that there were no signs of forced entry
or stolen items, and that the killer had cleaned up
in a bathroom of the home before fleeing. This scene
sounds like someone who A knew the property well, b
had access to the property. See, didn't want anything besides
(31:36):
the death of these two people. Right, um, D knew
where the bathrooms we were and felt felt clear enough
on whatever these two people's schedules were, that no one
else was going to come to the house at any
point for anything, right, good point, because they felt they
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had enough time to clean up in the bathroom. Brandon
was arrested six days later after authorities found irregularities in
his testimony. Oh really Okay, so you guys, now we
get into the nitty gritty. A jury found Brandon guilty
after hearing from the persecution that Brandon had killed his
parents to receive their life insurance and live freely his
(32:19):
secret life as a gay man in Dallas. So apparently
he was going back and forth from university where he
would go to Dallas and actually go out of state
from Texas to film adult movies. Ak he was doing porn,
gay porn, and he was a gay man in this
other life that he had, but he even had a girlfriend,
(32:41):
and I guess he was just living a full on
double life. So he was sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole. He's already served thirteen years
of his life sentence and he maintains that he is innocent.
He claims that this is an anti gay bias influenced
people and the jury in his Texas Bible Belt City
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did not want him to be free, and since they
had no other suspects, they just wanted to pin it
on him, and Brandon says that he was falsely characterized
as a wild gay man who was living a double
life by the persecution in order to convince a very
conservative jury. He said, I'm innocent. I didn't kill my
(33:23):
parents at all. I think you should look at the
totality of the evidence instead of pointing to any other information.
Although I did read that I guess his mom had
blonde hairs in her hand when she was found dead,
and they never tested the DNA on it, and they
don't know where the hair is now. He does have
blonde a share, by the way, and you would assume
that it was her trying to defend herself against the
(33:45):
killer and that would probably really lock In this case,
authorities claimed that Brandon was living this double life, skipping
college classes, going to Dallas for wild adventures. You know,
this is usually what the what um what the prosecution
does when they're trying to pin it on some and
as they paint someone a villain, which is exactly what
happened to a man in Ox case, when that Italian
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prosecutor was trying to paint her as Foxy Knoxy, you know,
this sex enthused center who was having these like villainous
sex parties that were Satan involved. It's like what anyway,
so they try to character but so and you could
see why this would work in a small Texas town.
(34:27):
Exactly having like weird you know, weird homosexual you know
parties and filming that is enough to get people in
a small Texas town riled up and wanting to shut
that down. So you could see that as as potentially
what happened. Right, And so his grandmother, Bonnie, has stood
by his innocence, paying for his legal fees and supporting
(34:49):
his attempts to appeal his conviction. The Innocence Project of
Texas is now reviewing his case and the gun connected
to the killings was never found, but it's believed he
stole a gun from his ex girlfriend's mother's house, and
apparently the mother said that the gun and bullets were missing,
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and it is exactly the type of bullets that were
found at the scene, and it's very possible he had
been there the weekend before that he had stolen the gun,
but no one can prove it because they haven't found
the gun. But it seems a little too convenient in
my opinion, that she is in fact telling the truth.
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The problem for him is he says, don't look at
the fact that I had this other life going on.
Look at the what do you say that the totality, right,
And he said, look at that. But right now, that's
all still pointing to him, right, there's no other suspect. Look,
he grew up super popular that he was really beloved.
(35:50):
He was outgoing, he was an animal lover. He was
president of the Future Farmers of America. He had a
steady girlfriend, and he was voted most school spirit. So
you know, when you have someone who's painted as this
really good kid, it's um away for them to say, no,
how could it be him? He's so gentle, he's so lovely,
everyone loved him. He couldn't be him being the murderer.
(36:11):
I find the Yeah, I find the life insurance thing
a little more difficult to believe because but I know
people do this, but killing people doesn't get you that
life insurance right away. You're going to be a suspect,
especially because of it. I can't imagine that he did
this because he wanted that. It seems way too careless.
I just wonder if it's FROs But that could be
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a reason, because if you start back a second, you
froze there, you said. I just wonder. I just wonder
if his parents were against homosexuality, and so he felt
like he could never be himself or come out. And
maybe maybe it's something that's just been brewing for a while. Maybe,
and that's certainly a storyline that that could be feasible.
But know, just leave, man, leave. We need a motive.
(37:03):
And and so that's the other thing is like I
want more information about this case, and obviously I think
we'll receive it on But apparently eight of the twelve
jurors admitted to believing homosexuality was morally wrong. Do you
think that they should have been able to serve on
the jury. No, no, I don't. Uh no, I don't,
(37:25):
because that's the main thing that they're painting him with.
And you know, then you're getting into his lifestyle. Is
fine if if he was doing those things, that is
in his right to do. But that's what it goes
back to what we said earlier in the show. You
can't then have someone come in that's super religious and
be like, no, I think that's wrong. Therefore I think
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he killed his parents. There's two different things. I know.
I also, you know it took him thirteen years to
finally give a TV interview and explain why he's innocent.
That seems like a very long time. I feel like
you would want to do earlier if you were Indeed,
I feel like you would want to do that earlier.
This feels like some sort of weird last Hurrah cry
(38:07):
for attention, wait to Gardner support. I don't even know.
I mean, I don't know who the other suspects are.
It just seems like all science point to him. But
I think the question is why is it really all
about this life? Like, did anybody interview the grandmother? Was
(38:29):
she on the stand during this the grandmother that supports
him that I don't know, because I'd like to hear
her story about the about the family dynamic and this
and that and why she thinks he didn't do it
or what I mean. Listen, this is this is the
movie Watcher and me going into this. But it's like
who knows, you know, like American Beauty, who knows what's
going on with the dad? Right? Who knows what the
(38:50):
situation was growing up, if there was any kind of
physical abuse or this and that. So I think all
of that kind of stuff plays into this. I don't
think you can just pit it on that he was
a while guy. And this reminds me of did you
ever hear that there was that case, um, that whole
family got murdered in like Indiana and wanted It was
a pastor and his family and this is Wasn't this
a case we covered last week Piketown massacres. No, this
(39:13):
is oh no, no, no, this is a different family
that murdered people, got it, got my mom? So the
whole family, well, I mean sorry, there's so many of them,
so and so. Um, what it came out to was
everybody said, oh, the father and his son were fighting,
the son wanted to go to the prom. Father said no,
So then they said he went and killed his whole
(39:33):
family because he wanted to go. Because then he went
to the prom and they picked him up. I didn't
know his family was dead. It was this whole thing,
and everyone's like, that's what it was. He was this
and they were all quick to point it out and
to shut the case. And this that now another true
crime podcast. And I don't mind giving their name because
they don't do what we do. But they counterclock did
something and they went through and investigated this whole thing,
(39:54):
and now they're like, oh, there was a tie where
somebody owed money in Florida and they found this whole
other thing going on. And that kind of reminds me
of this story because it's so obvious that it was
this guy. But you know what, if you had people
that knew what they were doing, they could have shown
up and they would make it seem like it was
They could easily make it seem like it was someone else.
Get out of there, clean up what they needed to
(40:14):
clean up, get out of there, and make it seem like, oh,
the son's the obvious choice. So I don't I can't
say for a percent that that he did it, because
I think there's a lot of variables in play. Well.
Apparently authorities claimed that his timeline of events were super
inconsistent when he was asked about the murders. And you know,
we've seen this before where they get forced confection force
confessions because they're nervous or shocked or or physically harmed
(40:38):
into giving a false confession. They just want to go home,
or they want to take a deal or whatever it is,
because they're scared and afraid. But apparently so they were
killed in a brand new home. They moved to a
new home. They were downsizing, and they were killed in
their new home. And according to the timeline, there was
maybe about like nineteen minutes in between when people actually
saw Brandon and the last phone call that was made
(41:00):
to the mom by someone else that the murders could
have happened in if it was Brandon. And that's a
pretty short amount of time. It is a short amount
of time. And did they go out to dinner or
were they because I would love to know if they
were out to dinner, I'd love to know people that
saw them there was that, you know, a contentious dinner.
Were they arguing where they there was between them, any
(41:21):
any people that saw them before that, and the grandmother
I'd love to hear from. Yeah, it's interesting because this
is a little reminiscent of the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case,
where you know, you see all these photos on Instagram
and then being a super happy couple and everything's hunky dory,
and then when you look at the nitty gritty, they're
fighting constantly and there's physical and verbal abuse happening regularly,
(41:45):
and we just really don't know what the picture looks
like up close and personal. But that's also don't know
until it becomes a TV movie, exactly until Netflix luss, Now,
what's up? You know? Man? This case is so heartbreaking,
but it's interesting because there are just no other suspects,
(42:07):
at least in the amount of Knox case. There was
another suspect, like there's usually or theories, even theories. There's
there are no theories about anyone else, right, No, and
that doesn't mean that there isn't you know, something like
guy was pointing up before there could be something someone
could have stopped by in between that time. So so
random and seems so unbelievable, but to be honest, all
(42:29):
of this seems so unbelievable because that's just not who
we are. But it goes back to what we said,
man like, if you're there are plenty of people that
don't like their kids, There are plenty of kids that
don't like their parents. Just if if, if they don't
agree with your life, just move on. Just you know,
there's always the possibility of new neighborhood. Maybe people saw
(42:50):
who was moving in. Maybe maybe we don't know what
the parents were involved in, and there was something much
cheaper happening, just like in the Piketown murders where then
suddenly they started chasing it back to Carton. Well whatever
they chase down to um anyway. Um, So yeah, we
just don't know. But I would suggest watching the Hulu
(43:13):
show Double Life, Double Murder, And what do you guys think?
What do you guys think? Do you think that Brandon
killed his parents brutally murdered his parents for life insurance
so that he could start his life anew and have freedom.
Do you think that? Or do you think that this
(43:33):
case will probably go unsolved and that they may never
find the killer. Yeah, I mean call and let us know,
But I think me personally, the life insurance seems like
a far fetched to me, but I know people have
done it, and I could buy that the jury was
a little skewed because it was a small town of
(43:54):
Texas and what his lifestyle was doesn't mean he didn't
do it. That's I mean. I could also if I
want to go running why old with my thoughts here,
I could think maybe somebody set him up to be
guilty because of that, because they had a problem with that,
because they had a problem to parents or whatever. So oh,
the plot thick ends Tomitri right, good, good one. I'm
gonna virtually high five you appreciate that, Yeah, guys, d
(44:19):
M s let us know what you think. Also for
the people who are sending me d ms like hey,
I've got two crimes for you with video that no
one knows about. I don't want those. Please send them
to the police. I am very worried about those. Yeah, yeah,
or send them to Dmitri. I'm not the person that
should be looking at those, um, but I do appreciate it.
(44:40):
Especially has a boyfriend. She spends way less time in
her M just kidding, she's there. Keep writing to her. No,
my manager told me he was like, uh so you're
getting some weird d M s. And I was like, okay,
cool anyway, but do call us, you know, like why
not call us and leave a voicemail. And if the
voicemails like, hey, I saw these two crimes and I've
got videos, fine, fine, but you know, just let us
(45:03):
know if there's a casey thing we should look into.
We're always having our eyes and ears open for the
hot tips, except for when they should go to the
police directly. Well, but I also feel comfortable to listen
if you if this is what are safe space, and
you want to bring it to us, then we can
discuss it and maybe send it onto the police. Yeah. Actually, yes,
(45:24):
you're right, Dmitri. You're right, You're right, right right, if
you have information, get it out there, you know what.
I guess, that's what we're here for. And if you've
committed a crime and you're trying to make it better
on yourself by not coming clean, just don't make it
make it easy and clean on our voicemail. That's not
(45:45):
that's not wearable. But but if we're are safe before
your safe space, this is right. Disagree, agains you know what, fine,
call us, but you know, I keep the really intense
ones off the voicemail. I mean, I guess they're all intense.
Huh No. It's like if you're like, oh, I committed
petty theft and stole the staplers from my old place
of work, you know, let us know. Yeah. Wow. If
(46:08):
you're like, oh, why Jay walked in l A, you know,
keep that to yourself. That's very serious. It's very very serious. Yeah,
we don't. We can't handle something like that. That's a
crime punishable by death in Los Angeles. Imagine if a
sheep jay walked. All right, Well, I think we've come
to I think we've come to the end. And just
as a reminder, you guys, the voicemail is eight six
(46:31):
six twenty one crime. That's eight six six twenty one crime,
eight six six twenty one crime. That's eight six six
two on two seven four six three. I just love
the fact that Adam is sitting there in this room
watching like you had to do that in front of
him and he had to sit there and watch it.
You guys still together. He's passed out. Do you think
we bored him to death? I just looked over to
(46:53):
see his look of mortification. And in fact there was nothing.
He's just he's sleeping. And I will say that he
is committing a crime right now because I've told him
a million times. But I'm like, no outside clothes on
the bed and he's passed out on the pillows where
I put my face with his dirty jeans. Um, we're
gonna have a talk about this. This relationship is over
(47:16):
before it started. You guys follow us on Real Time
Crime Pod on Instagram. You can find me at le
Lamar with two rs on Instagram, Twitter, my Lee Lamar
dot com and Leon Lamar at five hours on TikTok
for show dates. Usually just Instagram is the place to
find me. I will be back in l A next week,
(47:37):
so I will start doing shows in l A again.
I will be at the Improv. I got some other
shows lined up already and I think I'll be doing
some shows in London Sunday Monday. So if you're in
London and you hear this Maniana, comma see me, do
you have me? I'll give you my schedule. I don't
know what that was. I think that's Italian and then
and that was that's the only place I haven't been
(47:58):
to in Europe. Since I got here, I mean, besides
all the other places. I no offense, but I don't
need to go to Germany. Been there, genetically done that. Um,
they can you know whatever. I just so Dmitri, we
can find you on the internet. Just had Dmitri pappas.
They had Dmitri Papas. Yeah, you don't need the Southern
(48:20):
accent when you write it a s. Dmitri, Do you
hate me? I do? Not really happy. It's better than
people who go papas. Anyway, you guys, this has been real. UM,
love you so much. Stay safe out there. Don't commend
(48:42):
me crimes. Talk to you next week. Bye. It's real
time crop real time gro I mean, is it actually
real time? I'm anything? Is that thing we say? We say?
Got it? Okay, see you next for more real time crime,
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