November 20, 2025 • 27 mins
If you’ve been watching the news, you’ve seen headlines about an 18-year-old who was found dead on a Carnival Cruise.
Anna Kepner was found under her bed, wrapped in sheets and covered in life jackets. The FBI has not revealed any suspects yet, which usually means they know something…
Emily and Shane are diving into the speculation that Anna’s step-sibling is responsible for her death and the facts that we know now, just two weeks after it happened.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, guys, welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
I will be your host Emily Simpson with We wanted
to do a bonus episode this week because if you
have been on social media or looking at the news
at all, I am sure you have seen this new
developing case of a young high school girl named Anna
Keepner who was just found a couple of weeks ago.
(00:23):
She was found dead on the Carnival cruise ship Horizon. Now,
I think it's interesting that we did the Amy Bradley case,
which was the disappearance off of a cruise ship. I
just want to cruise this summer with the boys, and
now we have another cruise ship incident. So I'm feeling
at this point maybe it's best to stay far away,
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to stay on land at this point. So, Anna Keepner
was an eighteen year old high school senior from Titusville, Florida.
According to her family, Anna was a varsity cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
She was also a.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Gymnast, and she had recently completed the entrance test to
join the US military. Now, I have a question what
your thoughts are on this, because I was noticing that
whenever something happens to a young pretty girl, who is
a cheerleader. That is always part of the newsreel cheerleader,
and it's always part of the clickbait cheerleader, young cheerleader.
(01:20):
It doesn't ever say I mean technician. No, there's never
like case. Yes, I mean not in the headlines though,
But I'm saying whenever a girl is.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
A cheerleadering, it describes a personality, I think, albeit stereotypical.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So you're saying, because of the bubbly, attractive, athletic.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Popular here Catholic Rob's bank, you'll hear Mormon Rob's bank.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That is very true.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You will always Mormon, will always be Mormon, will always
be in the title of something because it's clickbait, and
cheerleader will be in the title of something because it's
clickbait as well. You'll never see band member, you know,
there's nothing about people in the band, but always the cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay. So Anna was on a sixth dade.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, like you mean like trumpet player.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yes, yes, that's never, but if someone's a cheerleader, it's
always part of the title. So Anna was on a
six day Carnival Horizon cruise with her father, stepmother, and
three step siblings when she died. That actually hasn't been confirmed.
But that's basically what people are taking away from it
is that she was there with her dad, her biological dad. Also,
(02:30):
I've read in some articles and there's some controversy as
to whether the dad is actually married to the stepmother.
And if they are married, it's a very new marriage.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
They might have to be married in order to be
a stepmother. Otherwise it's his girlfriend. So if they are married,
they're incorrectly referring to her as stepmother.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think it's because.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Nothing has been confirmed, so people are saying stepmom, but
a lot of times I.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Mean, well, I actually I think I can clarify this
because I thought I read that this step mother was
currently in a divorce proceeding, and I assume that's with
her former husband or prior husband, not with the one
she was on the boat.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
She's it's a custody issue. It's astody issue.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I saw divorce preceding slash child custody.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
There might still be some pending divorce issues, and that
might be why maybe they're not married. I don't know,
and we'll talk about it a little bit later.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I guess for a purposes of artist guession, it
doesn't really matter if they're married or not.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Right, No, but I guess either they're married and she's
a stepmother or they've been dating and she's a pseudo
stepmother type. So anyway, that's who we think that this
that they were on the cruise with. But we're saying,
I don't know if there's other members of the family.
It hasn't been like officially confirmed by investigators who all
was on the cruise, but from rumblings in articles and
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on social media from those news sources out there, boots
on the ground, the boots on the ground are saying
that it was the dad and then Anna, and then
his love interests, either his new wife or his girlfriend,
and then her children. So the cruise began on November
second and traveled from Miami to the Caribbean on the
(04:05):
morning of November seventh. Let's go back to November sixth.
I did read that on the evening of November sixth,
this is as the cruise ship is heading into port,
so I believe it's leaving Mexico or the Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
At this time.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
There was a dinner on the ship. You know how
they have those white parties on the ship. You know,
the cruise ships always have.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Themes on in the evening times.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Right, there was a white party and there was a dinner,
and from what I understand, people are reporting that Anna
left the dinner early because she was saying she did
not feel well. Now as to where she went after that,
clearly and the FBI is investigating this.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
So did she As far as we know, she left alone. Like,
I'm not feeling why she walked.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Away, I don't know, but I that's just an assumption
that maybe she left alone. But I have read multiple
sources that said that she was not feeling well at
that dinner and that she left. Now here's the question
as well. I don't know the arrangement of the rooms
on the crew. I don't know if she had a
room alone. I don't know if she was sharing with
some siblings. I don't know if this family had a
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big suite and they were all in the same room.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Oh, we don't know a lot of things about this case.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We don't kind of stucky about it, right, But we're
just going to talk about what we and.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
What we don't know, what we kind of know.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So on the morning of November seventh, I remember she
left the dinner. On November sixth, she was found dead
in her cabin by a housekeeper. Her body was wrapped
in a blanket or a sheet and covered with life
jackets and stuffed under a bed. First, of all those beds,
those beds in a cruise ship. I've been on multiple cruises.
There's not room under the bed.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like like a hotel room. Right, there's no there. There's
very lazy goes all the way to the floor. There's
like a baseboard around it is that we can't put
stuff under there, like a body with life vests on
top of it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, So I'm thinking there's.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
A couch that maybe opened up, or maybe that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Was it, because when the boys and I went, we
did have like a fold out bed Luke slept on,
so maybe it was something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
That's what I pictured.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So also her body was found around eleven am by
a maid because everyone on this ship was looking for
Anna at this time period. So the way I understand
it is she left in her early because she wasn't
feeling well. The next morning, all the family wakes up
and they all go to breakfast and they realize that
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Anna is there.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know if they shared a room or not.
We just know.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I don't know how the rooms were tivvied up. I
don't know the arrangement.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They go to breakfast the next morning, and that's when
everyone's kind of realizing that she's not showing up for
breakfast and they don't know where she is. Also, there
are nearly four thousand people on this ship and fifteen
hundred crew, so this is a mini city that's floating around.
So can you imagine if you lose someone on the ship,
Like we talked about with the Amy Bradley case, it
is a lot of ground decks spaces to cover to
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find someone.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, in this case, with the so far the way
you've laid out the timeline, which I know we don't
have all the details, if you show up at breakfast
and your eighteen year old daughter isn't there, how would
you first look for her?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Why would immediately start calling, texting and go directly to
her room?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So my question is did they do any of that?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
My other question is, and I'll ask you, because you
have children of every age group, you have older daughters
and then the three we have together. Let's say Shelby
left dinner early on a cruise and went to her room.
Would you not check on her that even before she
has twenty four?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah? I would. I would follow up that evening, how
are you doing? Right? And the siblings would right naturally
run into her or you know, chat with her or something.
There'd be some interaction, right.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So my question is, and we don't know this, was
anyone checking in on her? Were they texting? Did they
go by her room? I mean, if she left it
or not feeling well? What happened after that? So obviously
we don't know any of this. You know, right now
the FBI is investigating this because this happened in international waters,
so there's federal jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So this is why the FBI is involved.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I'm sure right now at this point, they're pulling every
bit of surveillance video that they can find on the
ship that she's in. Oh yeah, be camera in every
corner in that boat, right, And they're also doing everything
possible to pull all the key card and text message
and text messages and very digitalt all the digital footprint exactly,
and they're piecing that all together to probably put together
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a very detailed timeline of exactly where she was, where
she went, who was with her?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
How long ago? Remind me of the Bradley case that.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Was in ninety or Eightye okay, So, see technology has
significantly crazed.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
There's gonna be cameras on every corner, high quality, right,
documentary text messages, phone calls.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Right, and I like take care cards. Yeah, it's very easy.
I'm just guessing.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'm not like a video expert, but I assume that
you can probably upload an image of her into some
type of software where it can specifically look for her face,
like facial recognition. So I'm sure that's what's going on
right now. Why did you just look at me like
I was an idiot when I said that.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
That good facial recognition? Yeah? Right, it was impressive.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh thank you? Are you just blown away right now
that I said?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That's not blown away? But it's interesting that you've noticed
that also.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So the Miami Dade County Medical Examiner lists her time
of death as eleven seventeen am on November seventh. You know,
I've read this over and over in the articles, and
I was so confused by this because the timeline is
November six. She leaves dinner November seventh, she's not at breakfast.
November seventh, at eleven am, the maid finds her, and
then at eleven seventeen am it says it's her time
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of death. I don't think that's accurate. I think that's
the time that she was examined by someone on board,
a medical examiner or someone and declared her dead at
eleven seventeen am.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Isn't that how it always works? So what do you
mean I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Saying that's not the time of death.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I'm saying, no, that was a time declared dead.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yes, yes, because there's a lot of articles that are
that are reporting that her time of death was eleven
seventeen am.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, that does not make any sense.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
She was found dead at a dead at eleven am,
she was declared dead at eleven seventeen. That's not the
actual time of death. That's just when someone.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm guessing your point is we may never know the
actual time of death because now the bodies is thrown
in a morgue and if it's preserved, I don't know
if they can still determine the time of death. Right.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know, that is another thing to talk about. You're
talking about a cruise ship, which is a moving city. Now,
if someone dies in a house under suspicious circumstances, you
leave the body where it is and.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Then you call police.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
CUSI yes, that's what you do when you find dead bodies, right,
I don't touch them, right, you don't touch it, and
then the crime scene investigators come.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They don't move the body. They take this.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Photo usual circumstances.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
This is an unusual circumstance. So her body was clearly
moved as soon as it was found, because.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know was it. I believe so sometime after
it was found.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right, because first of all, you're on a ship. You
can't leave it in the room because you're sailing through
the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's one hundred degrees obviously. But I don't know the procedure,
but I guess the procedure would be in lieu of
keeping it secured the way it is preserved, you know,
mounts a ton of photos, preserving the evidence, putting them
in bags, labeling where it was found, so you don't
lose the chain of custody. I don't know what they did, though, but.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I doubt any of that it was done because.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You don't you don't have the may probably finish clean
the maid probably called someone and you know, and then
the medical examiner. There's always the doctor on the ship, right,
So then the doctor probably came and declared her dead.
And then I'm sure I didn't know this, but they're
all cruise ships have some kind of morgue on them
because people die on cruise ships. So you have to
have somewhere to preserve the body in a cold space
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before you get to your next port.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's right downstairs, next to the galley.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Usually what's the galley?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Isn't that where they cook?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I don't know. There's lots of decks. There's lots of
going on.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Okay, Anyway, we were talking about when you're when the
body's on a cruise ship, you don't have a normal
investigation like you would if someone died in a house, right,
because you're it's a city moving on the water of investigation.
They the bodies and way you know, they're floating in water.
It's going through the Caribbean. It's one hundred degrees out,
there's humidity. So I'm sure I don't know this, but
I would suspect that they immediately moved the body to
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the morgue of the ship.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Right. We can only hope that they preserved by video
or photo photography or something and documenting everything, right, and then.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So that was on November seventh.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Then November eighth is when the cruise ship docked back
into its port in Miami, and there I actually saw
some video of the body being removed from the ship
and put into the medical examiner's van. All right, so
let's talk about there is a possible suspect out there
as of right now, so criminal charges may be filed
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against one of Anna's step siblings who is a minor.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
This actually came up onto.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
The radar because the FBI has not said anything and
has not released any information.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Also, the dad yes, because.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If they don't release information and they're not talking about it,
that means they know something and they're looking to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
They don't wan want it out there.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They want to Yeah, they don't want to spoil it
or cause someone flee.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Also, the father, Chris Kepner, has said that he does
not know anything and he has very little information and
that they're just basically waiting to hear things. But in
an emergency motion filed on Monday, November seventeenth, and Brevard County, Florida,
Kepner's stepmom, her name is Sean Tell Hudson, requested to
delay divorce proceedings from her ex husband because of quote
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an extremely sensitive and severe circumstance and cited quote the respondent.
She's the respondent, he's the petition, which means her ex
is the one that is filing. He's the moving party,
so she's responding. There are discussions with FBI investigators and
her attorneys that a criminal case may be initiated against.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
One of her minor children.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So the court filing identifies the teenager with the initials T,
and according to documents, he is living with a relative
in the meantime to protect the safety of his younger
sister and his other siblings.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I read that he's sixteen.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I don't know if that's accurate because they haven't really
sed any information, but of course there's a lot of
online sluice out there. I'm sure there's some family that
is talking. I also read his name is Tim. I
don't know if that's true either, but it does say
his initials are THH and that he's sixteen. Now the
question is was he sharing a room with her? Did
he go back with her? Because I did also read
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and this was from a post by someone that claims
to be part of their family. His name's Martin Donnahue.
Everybody's kind of talking about this. Martin Donahue made a
post on Twitter, I believe, talking about the incident and
saying that Anna was murdered by one of her step
siblings and that after he beat her and wrapped her
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in blankets and put her under the bed and then
covered her with all the life jackets and everything, that
then he slept on the bed that night and stayed
the night.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, this is all speculator.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
We don't really know this, No, we don't, but I'm
just talking about what he has posted. And then it
has been I know there were some other people that
did some investigating. Apparently the name Donahue is part of
the family. There's a lot of Donahues that follow her
on social media and things like that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So did he hire the Murdog firm to represent.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Him, No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Anyway, after he made this post, he did take it down,
So a lot of people are talking about the validity
of it, whether he's actually part of the family. He
did seem to know a lot of details about the incident,
so you know, here's the thing too, Sean tell is
the stepmom if it was her son that committed this
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act against Anna, and then she's married to Anna's father.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I mean talk about I.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Mean, how do you stay I mean, how do you
continue to stay married to someone?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean talk about just a.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Horrible familial situation going on. So the post I was
talking about by Martin Donahue has since been deleted. While
no charges have been filed publicly, the motion explicitly states
that the possibility of charges against a minor sibling are pending.
So that's why everyone is now knowing that this sibling
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is possibly the instigator or the perpetrator of this crime
against Anna is because of a separate family law issue
where the stepmom has custody and divorce proceedings going on
with her other ex who is the father of the
three siblings. And she's asking just in Layman's terms, because
what I read was legal terms and Layman's terms saying Hey,
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I don't want to go to court and show up
and talk about custody issues and divorce proceedings that have
to do with my children. I'm going to I want
to take the fifth because one of these minor children
might be a criminals might being right, and is involved
in this FBI investigation.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
So we need to continue this.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like a question might be, does your son get along
with his stepsister?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So have they ever fought before?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Exactly? So that's what she's asking for. We don't know
the outcome of that. I guess a judge has to
rule on that, So we'll continue to follow that.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Adam Pollock is a defense attorney who reviewed the case,
and he said, in regards to Anna's stepmother quote, she
has not identified herself as a target of a criminal investigation.
She basically said that she's afraid that anything she could
say could be used against her children. I think, miss Hudson,
that's the stepmother has now propelled her children into the
new spotlight needlessly. The FBI was not broadcasting that they
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were conducting a criminal investigation of the children.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That was my other thought too, was by putting that
in black and white explicitly in her divorce slash custody
battle over here in this.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Family law case. Yeah, people found that, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, I mean I don't know if the attorney, if
that was smart of the attorney to draft that that way.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, but then alternatively it would have been she'd have
to testify or be deposed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
No, but I'm saying he could have asked for maybe
an ex party hearing in front of the judge or
in like a closed.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Hearing or something.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I'm just saying he explicitly put in the documents that
the minor child was involved in an FBI investigation, and
now everyone's all over that. Yeah, I'm saying I think
there was a way to do that without putting it
out there. But I mean, that's what the attorney did.
I would be I would be livid if my attorney
did that. Now the news are all over the place
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reporting that my you know, minor child is involved in
an FBI investigation. I'm saying that was all under wraps
until the family law attorney drafted that and filed it
with the.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Court, and now it's all out there.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So, investigators are now reviewing surveillance video from the ship
and analyzing electronic swipe card data which we talked about
that may show who entered the teen's cabin. Law enforcement
officials are saying they are also examining I.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Wonder if the teen's cabin means it was hers as
opposed to the family's cabin.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I'm assuming that this family went on the ship
and that the mom and dad shared a room and
then the siblings somehow share a room or shared two rooms.
Maybe so yeah, so, but I just we don't know
exactly how it was broken up, but I or maybe
she was in a room alone and then the other
three siblings shared a room.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
You know. That's ah because if there was a room
being shared, then that would paint a different picture as
to what could have happened or the timeline of events.
And if that was her room only, again, that would
be different questions. So it's like if she shared a
room and be like, well, when's the last time someone
saw her when they went to breakfast, Why didn't she
go with them? Or was she there? And then if
she had her room alone, that would explain why they
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all showed up at breakfast without her, assuming she would
be there, But then they would also my question would
be did they go to the room. That's what I
would do, Go to the room, call her, text her right,
not just go to the authorities and say my daughter's missing. Yeah,
which I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What they did right, Well, we don't have a clear
timeline obviously of what has happened. I also read and
saw some podcasts where people were alleging that they had
heard that the minor son confessed to his stepmother that
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she was not alive and then that's how she was found.
But that conflicts with the reporting that the maid found her.
So again there's this whole lot of.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
We usually have these true crime homicides where there's a
lot of questions. Yeah, this takes the gig. This is
one where we have a lot of questions and hopefully
we can it can develop and we can start to
address those.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, this is because it's very new. Actually, her memorial
is on the twentieth and then I don't know, maybe
there'll be more information released. It's the issues you're dealing
with minors, and you're dealing with a cruise ship and
they have to gather all their evidence.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So that's where we're out.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
So what happened and there's Yeah, it's just that's a
tough one. But I bet you that's why it's under
wraps because they're gathering a lot of data and they'll
say anyone to say anything one way or another. Until
they have what they know on their end, and then
they can ask the proper questions and they can release what
they want to the public to see if the public
has anything to add.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know what else?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I was thinking with a cruise ship. First of all,
you've got four thousand people on the ship. Then at
docks in Miami right on November eighth, and everybody leaves
the cruise ship.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Fifty five hundred people, right, was it four thousand, fifteen
hundred crew member? Right?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So we got yes, close to over five thousand people
on this ship. It docks in Miami on November eighth.
Everybody leaves a cruise ship. Now the FBI has to
hunt down everybody that was rooming next to her right
or may have seen something.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I mean, they're going to certainly, but they may not
know who that is until they review all the day.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But I'm saying, now, oh no, there was a murder
when they docked.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't know, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know if anybody was on the cruise ship
that is listening to this, can you please DM me
and give me the inside scoop? Were you aware that
there that there was a girl that had died. Were
you aware that she was possibly murdered? It was ruled homicide.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I just wanted I need more details, I need some
inside information.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Where was this cruise based out of Florida?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It went Miami to Caribbean and then back to Miami.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I believe you wonder if a funny thought would be
like if someone was on the poop cruise and then
they got a voucher to go on another cruise, and
then then they go on the murder cruise.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, yeah, right, and they're like, I'm done the cruises.
So what happens when a juvenile is involved in a homicide? So,
when a juvenile is involved in the death of another person,
whether the act was intentional or accidental, they can be
charged under the broad category of criminal homicide, which covers
all unlawful killings and serious cases. Especially when the youth
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is sixteen or older. The court may move the case
from the juvenile system to adult criminal court. That was
another thing I was thinking about because even though this
isn't confirmed, I read that this alleged.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
You know, the homicide, the perpetrator, the person of interest such, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
The suspect.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Thank you is sixteen, which that's a pivotal age because
he could possibly be tried as an adult. So when
a minor is accused of murder, which is when someone
deliberately takes another person's life, or when they intentionally inflict
serious harm that would reasonably be expected to result in death,
a conviction can carry a mandatory minimum sentence of around
thirty years, with no opportunity for parole during that period.
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In situations involving particularly vulnerable victims, for example a child
under fourteen who was sexually abused before being killed, or
when the victim is a law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Officer, which applies to this miner, right, the.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Punishment can increase significantly, right, So why does the FBI
have to deal with matters that happen on cruise ships
while in international waters, like in the Amy Bread lays.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Because there's no state that has jurisdiction, right, right, I
mean in layman's terms, which is all we really need
to know is they're not within a state. And in
this circumstance, it took place while in the waters, not
in a port or anything. So the steps in.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Exactly So what is Anna's family said? So her obituary
read quote Anna was pure energy, bubbly, funny, outgoing, and
completely herself. She never had a filter, and that was
part of her charm, whether she was practicing new makeup looks,
even if she had nowhere to go, making tiktoks in
front of the mirror, or blasting a perfectly curated playlist
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on the boat. Anna lived every day with her whole heart.
She loved the sun, the water, boat day's island and
beach days, anything that let her soak in the light.
She so easily radiated to others. Her relatives find comfort
in knowing Anna lived her eighteen years to the fullest.
She was an athlete who began gymnastics at the age
of two and later joined her high school varsity cheerleading team.
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She loved being near the water, earning her boater's license
and scuba certification. Anne enjoyed shopping, makeup and spending time
with friends. Anna was especially close to her grandmother, her
family has said, who affectionately called her Anna Banana. And
I've seen a lot of videos because she liked to
make TikTok videos, and she had gone on a cruise
prior to the one that she had died on. I
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believe back in May of this year with her grandfather
and grandmother for her birthday, and.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It was cute. I saw a lot of her videos
that she made.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Her grandfather was in the background and her grandmother was
in some and so you know, it's just it's such
a sad situation that this bright eighteen year old that
was going to go into the military, that had this
full life ahead of her to live, goes on a cruise,
which clearly is one of her favorite things to do,
and something horrible happened to her.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, now family's destroyed too, you know, fathers without a daughter,
the mother, and the siblings, if one was involved, they're
going to be you know, their life is going to
go down.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
The dream so right, So well, thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And if you're going to have more updates right hopefully.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, no, we're going to continue to follow this case.
This is clearly the tip of the iceberg. I mean,
once someone I am assuming that there'll be an arrest
that comes at some point and there'll be more information
that comes out, and we will follow this case and
keep you updated on it. But thank you for listening.
If you have any insight information, please dm me. I
would love to hear from someone.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I know who did it. Yes, I would love.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
To hear from someone that was on the Horizon cruise
November two through the eighth on the Horizon, the Carnival
ship the Horizon. So if you're out there, please reach
out to me. And again, you guys, thank you so
much for listening. And just a reminder, we are on
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Speaker 2 (27:16):
So thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thank you,
Hi, guys, welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
I will be your host Emily Simpson with We wanted
to do a bonus episode this week because if you
have been on social media or looking at the news
at all, I am sure you have seen this new
developing case of a young high school girl named Anna
Keepner who was just found a couple of weeks ago.
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She was found dead on the Carnival cruise ship Horizon. Now,
I think it's interesting that we did the Amy Bradley case,
which was the disappearance off of a cruise ship. I
just want to cruise this summer with the boys, and
now we have another cruise ship incident. So I'm feeling
at this point maybe it's best to stay far away,
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to stay on land at this point. So, Anna Keepner
was an eighteen year old high school senior from Titusville, Florida.
According to her family, Anna was a varsity cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
She was also a.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Gymnast, and she had recently completed the entrance test to
join the US military. Now, I have a question what
your thoughts are on this, because I was noticing that
whenever something happens to a young pretty girl, who is
a cheerleader. That is always part of the newsreel cheerleader,
and it's always part of the clickbait cheerleader, young cheerleader.
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It doesn't ever say I mean technician. No, there's never
like case. Yes, I mean not in the headlines though,
But I'm saying whenever a girl is.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
A cheerleadering, it describes a personality, I think, albeit stereotypical.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So you're saying, because of the bubbly, attractive, athletic.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Popular here Catholic Rob's bank, you'll hear Mormon Rob's bank.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That is very true.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You will always Mormon, will always be Mormon, will always
be in the title of something because it's clickbait, and
cheerleader will be in the title of something because it's
clickbait as well. You'll never see band member, you know,
there's nothing about people in the band, but always the cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay. So Anna was on a sixth dade.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, like you mean like trumpet player.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yes, yes, that's never, but if someone's a cheerleader, it's
always part of the title. So Anna was on a
six day Carnival Horizon cruise with her father, stepmother, and
three step siblings when she died. That actually hasn't been confirmed.
But that's basically what people are taking away from it
is that she was there with her dad, her biological dad. Also,
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I've read in some articles and there's some controversy as
to whether the dad is actually married to the stepmother.
And if they are married, it's a very new marriage.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
They might have to be married in order to be
a stepmother. Otherwise it's his girlfriend. So if they are married,
they're incorrectly referring to her as stepmother.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think it's because.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Nothing has been confirmed, so people are saying stepmom, but
a lot of times I.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Mean, well, I actually I think I can clarify this
because I thought I read that this step mother was
currently in a divorce proceeding, and I assume that's with
her former husband or prior husband, not with the one
she was on the boat.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
She's it's a custody issue. It's astody issue.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I saw divorce preceding slash child custody.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
There might still be some pending divorce issues, and that
might be why maybe they're not married. I don't know,
and we'll talk about it a little bit later.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I guess for a purposes of artist guession, it
doesn't really matter if they're married or not.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Right, No, but I guess either they're married and she's
a stepmother or they've been dating and she's a pseudo
stepmother type. So anyway, that's who we think that this
that they were on the cruise with. But we're saying,
I don't know if there's other members of the family.
It hasn't been like officially confirmed by investigators who all
was on the cruise, but from rumblings in articles and
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on social media from those news sources out there, boots
on the ground, the boots on the ground are saying
that it was the dad and then Anna, and then
his love interests, either his new wife or his girlfriend,
and then her children. So the cruise began on November
second and traveled from Miami to the Caribbean on the
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morning of November seventh. Let's go back to November sixth.
I did read that on the evening of November sixth,
this is as the cruise ship is heading into port,
so I believe it's leaving Mexico or the Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
At this time.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
There was a dinner on the ship. You know how
they have those white parties on the ship. You know,
the cruise ships always have.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Themes on in the evening times.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Right, there was a white party and there was a dinner,
and from what I understand, people are reporting that Anna
left the dinner early because she was saying she did
not feel well. Now as to where she went after that,
clearly and the FBI is investigating this.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
So did she As far as we know, she left alone. Like,
I'm not feeling why she walked.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Away, I don't know, but I that's just an assumption
that maybe she left alone. But I have read multiple
sources that said that she was not feeling well at
that dinner and that she left. Now here's the question
as well. I don't know the arrangement of the rooms
on the crew. I don't know if she had a
room alone. I don't know if she was sharing with
some siblings. I don't know if this family had a
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big suite and they were all in the same room.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Oh, we don't know a lot of things about this case.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We don't kind of stucky about it, right, But we're
just going to talk about what we and.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
What we don't know, what we kind of know.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So on the morning of November seventh, I remember she
left the dinner. On November sixth, she was found dead
in her cabin by a housekeeper. Her body was wrapped
in a blanket or a sheet and covered with life
jackets and stuffed under a bed. First, of all those beds,
those beds in a cruise ship. I've been on multiple cruises.
There's not room under the bed.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like like a hotel room. Right, there's no there. There's
very lazy goes all the way to the floor. There's
like a baseboard around it is that we can't put
stuff under there, like a body with life vests on
top of it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, So I'm thinking there's.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
A couch that maybe opened up, or maybe that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Was it, because when the boys and I went, we
did have like a fold out bed Luke slept on,
so maybe it was something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
That's what I pictured.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So also her body was found around eleven am by
a maid because everyone on this ship was looking for
Anna at this time period. So the way I understand
it is she left in her early because she wasn't
feeling well. The next morning, all the family wakes up
and they all go to breakfast and they realize that
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Anna is there.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know if they shared a room or not.
We just know.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I don't know how the rooms were tivvied up. I
don't know the arrangement.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They go to breakfast the next morning, and that's when
everyone's kind of realizing that she's not showing up for
breakfast and they don't know where she is. Also, there
are nearly four thousand people on this ship and fifteen
hundred crew, so this is a mini city that's floating around.
So can you imagine if you lose someone on the ship,
Like we talked about with the Amy Bradley case, it
is a lot of ground decks spaces to cover to
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find someone.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, in this case, with the so far the way
you've laid out the timeline, which I know we don't
have all the details, if you show up at breakfast
and your eighteen year old daughter isn't there, how would
you first look for her?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Why would immediately start calling, texting and go directly to
her room?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So my question is did they do any of that?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
My other question is, and I'll ask you, because you
have children of every age group, you have older daughters
and then the three we have together. Let's say Shelby
left dinner early on a cruise and went to her room.
Would you not check on her that even before she
has twenty four?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah? I would. I would follow up that evening, how
are you doing? Right? And the siblings would right naturally
run into her or you know, chat with her or something.
There'd be some interaction, right.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So my question is, and we don't know this, was
anyone checking in on her? Were they texting? Did they
go by her room? I mean, if she left it
or not feeling well? What happened after that? So obviously
we don't know any of this. You know, right now
the FBI is investigating this because this happened in international waters,
so there's federal jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So this is why the FBI is involved.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I'm sure right now at this point, they're pulling every
bit of surveillance video that they can find on the
ship that she's in. Oh yeah, be camera in every
corner in that boat, right, And they're also doing everything
possible to pull all the key card and text message
and text messages and very digitalt all the digital footprint exactly,
and they're piecing that all together to probably put together
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a very detailed timeline of exactly where she was, where
she went, who was with her?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
How long ago? Remind me of the Bradley case that.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Was in ninety or Eightye okay, So, see technology has
significantly crazed.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
There's gonna be cameras on every corner, high quality, right,
documentary text messages, phone calls.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Right, and I like take care cards. Yeah, it's very easy.
I'm just guessing.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'm not like a video expert, but I assume that
you can probably upload an image of her into some
type of software where it can specifically look for her face,
like facial recognition. So I'm sure that's what's going on
right now. Why did you just look at me like
I was an idiot when I said that.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
That good facial recognition? Yeah? Right, it was impressive.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh thank you? Are you just blown away right now
that I said?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That's not blown away? But it's interesting that you've noticed
that also.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So the Miami Dade County Medical Examiner lists her time
of death as eleven seventeen am on November seventh. You know,
I've read this over and over in the articles, and
I was so confused by this because the timeline is
November six. She leaves dinner November seventh, she's not at breakfast.
November seventh, at eleven am, the maid finds her, and
then at eleven seventeen am it says it's her time
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of death. I don't think that's accurate. I think that's
the time that she was examined by someone on board,
a medical examiner or someone and declared her dead at
eleven seventeen am.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Isn't that how it always works? So what do you
mean I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Saying that's not the time of death.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I'm saying, no, that was a time declared dead.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yes, yes, because there's a lot of articles that are
that are reporting that her time of death was eleven
seventeen am.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, that does not make any sense.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
She was found dead at a dead at eleven am,
she was declared dead at eleven seventeen. That's not the
actual time of death. That's just when someone.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm guessing your point is we may never know the
actual time of death because now the bodies is thrown
in a morgue and if it's preserved, I don't know
if they can still determine the time of death. Right.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know, that is another thing to talk about. You're
talking about a cruise ship, which is a moving city. Now,
if someone dies in a house under suspicious circumstances, you
leave the body where it is and.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Then you call police.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
CUSI yes, that's what you do when you find dead bodies, right,
I don't touch them, right, you don't touch it, and
then the crime scene investigators come.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They don't move the body. They take this.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Photo usual circumstances.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
This is an unusual circumstance. So her body was clearly
moved as soon as it was found, because.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know was it. I believe so sometime after
it was found.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Right, because first of all, you're on a ship. You
can't leave it in the room because you're sailing through
the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's one hundred degrees obviously. But I don't know the procedure,
but I guess the procedure would be in lieu of
keeping it secured the way it is preserved, you know,
mounts a ton of photos, preserving the evidence, putting them
in bags, labeling where it was found, so you don't
lose the chain of custody. I don't know what they did, though, but.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I doubt any of that it was done because.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You don't you don't have the may probably finish clean
the maid probably called someone and you know, and then
the medical examiner. There's always the doctor on the ship, right,
So then the doctor probably came and declared her dead.
And then I'm sure I didn't know this, but they're
all cruise ships have some kind of morgue on them
because people die on cruise ships. So you have to
have somewhere to preserve the body in a cold space
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before you get to your next port.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's right downstairs, next to the galley.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Usually what's the galley?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Isn't that where they cook?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I don't know. There's lots of decks. There's lots of
going on.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Okay, Anyway, we were talking about when you're when the
body's on a cruise ship, you don't have a normal
investigation like you would if someone died in a house, right,
because you're it's a city moving on the water of investigation.
They the bodies and way you know, they're floating in water.
It's going through the Caribbean. It's one hundred degrees out,
there's humidity. So I'm sure I don't know this, but
I would suspect that they immediately moved the body to
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the morgue of the ship.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Right. We can only hope that they preserved by video
or photo photography or something and documenting everything, right, and then.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So that was on November seventh.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Then November eighth is when the cruise ship docked back
into its port in Miami, and there I actually saw
some video of the body being removed from the ship
and put into the medical examiner's van. All right, so
let's talk about there is a possible suspect out there
as of right now, so criminal charges may be filed
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against one of Anna's step siblings who is a minor.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
This actually came up onto.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
The radar because the FBI has not said anything and
has not released any information.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Also, the dad yes, because.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If they don't release information and they're not talking about it,
that means they know something and they're looking to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
They don't wan want it out there.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They want to Yeah, they don't want to spoil it
or cause someone flee.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Also, the father, Chris Kepner, has said that he does
not know anything and he has very little information and
that they're just basically waiting to hear things. But in
an emergency motion filed on Monday, November seventeenth, and Brevard County, Florida,
Kepner's stepmom, her name is Sean Tell Hudson, requested to
delay divorce proceedings from her ex husband because of quote
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an extremely sensitive and severe circumstance and cited quote the respondent.
She's the respondent, he's the petition, which means her ex
is the one that is filing. He's the moving party,
so she's responding. There are discussions with FBI investigators and
her attorneys that a criminal case may be initiated against.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
One of her minor children.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So the court filing identifies the teenager with the initials T,
and according to documents, he is living with a relative
in the meantime to protect the safety of his younger
sister and his other siblings.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I read that he's sixteen.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I don't know if that's accurate because they haven't really
sed any information, but of course there's a lot of
online sluice out there. I'm sure there's some family that
is talking. I also read his name is Tim. I
don't know if that's true either, but it does say
his initials are THH and that he's sixteen. Now the
question is was he sharing a room with her? Did
he go back with her? Because I did also read
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and this was from a post by someone that claims
to be part of their family. His name's Martin Donnahue.
Everybody's kind of talking about this. Martin Donahue made a
post on Twitter, I believe, talking about the incident and
saying that Anna was murdered by one of her step
siblings and that after he beat her and wrapped her
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in blankets and put her under the bed and then
covered her with all the life jackets and everything, that
then he slept on the bed that night and stayed
the night.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, this is all speculator.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
We don't really know this, No, we don't, but I'm
just talking about what he has posted. And then it
has been I know there were some other people that
did some investigating. Apparently the name Donahue is part of
the family. There's a lot of Donahues that follow her
on social media and things like that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So did he hire the Murdog firm to represent.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Him, No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Anyway, after he made this post, he did take it down,
So a lot of people are talking about the validity
of it, whether he's actually part of the family. He
did seem to know a lot of details about the incident,
so you know, here's the thing too, Sean tell is
the stepmom if it was her son that committed this
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act against Anna, and then she's married to Anna's father.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I mean talk about I.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Mean, how do you stay I mean, how do you
continue to stay married to someone?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean talk about just a.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Horrible familial situation going on. So the post I was
talking about by Martin Donahue has since been deleted. While
no charges have been filed publicly, the motion explicitly states
that the possibility of charges against a minor sibling are pending.
So that's why everyone is now knowing that this sibling
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is possibly the instigator or the perpetrator of this crime
against Anna is because of a separate family law issue
where the stepmom has custody and divorce proceedings going on
with her other ex who is the father of the
three siblings. And she's asking just in Layman's terms, because
what I read was legal terms and Layman's terms saying Hey,
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I don't want to go to court and show up
and talk about custody issues and divorce proceedings that have
to do with my children. I'm going to I want
to take the fifth because one of these minor children
might be a criminals might being right, and is involved
in this FBI investigation.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
So we need to continue this.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like a question might be, does your son get along
with his stepsister?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So have they ever fought before?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Exactly? So that's what she's asking for. We don't know
the outcome of that. I guess a judge has to
rule on that, So we'll continue to follow that.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Adam Pollock is a defense attorney who reviewed the case,
and he said, in regards to Anna's stepmother quote, she
has not identified herself as a target of a criminal investigation.
She basically said that she's afraid that anything she could
say could be used against her children. I think, miss Hudson,
that's the stepmother has now propelled her children into the
new spotlight needlessly. The FBI was not broadcasting that they
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were conducting a criminal investigation of the children.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That was my other thought too, was by putting that
in black and white explicitly in her divorce slash custody
battle over here in this.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Family law case. Yeah, people found that, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, I mean I don't know if the attorney, if
that was smart of the attorney to draft that that way.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, but then alternatively it would have been she'd have
to testify or be deposed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
No, but I'm saying he could have asked for maybe
an ex party hearing in front of the judge or
in like a closed.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Hearing or something.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I'm just saying he explicitly put in the documents that
the minor child was involved in an FBI investigation, and
now everyone's all over that. Yeah, I'm saying I think
there was a way to do that without putting it
out there. But I mean, that's what the attorney did.
I would be I would be livid if my attorney
did that. Now the news are all over the place
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reporting that my you know, minor child is involved in
an FBI investigation. I'm saying that was all under wraps
until the family law attorney drafted that and filed it
with the.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Court, and now it's all out there.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So, investigators are now reviewing surveillance video from the ship
and analyzing electronic swipe card data which we talked about
that may show who entered the teen's cabin. Law enforcement
officials are saying they are also examining I.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Wonder if the teen's cabin means it was hers as
opposed to the family's cabin.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I'm assuming that this family went on the ship
and that the mom and dad shared a room and
then the siblings somehow share a room or shared two rooms.
Maybe so yeah, so, but I just we don't know
exactly how it was broken up, but I or maybe
she was in a room alone and then the other
three siblings shared a room.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
You know. That's ah because if there was a room
being shared, then that would paint a different picture as
to what could have happened or the timeline of events.
And if that was her room only, again, that would
be different questions. So it's like if she shared a
room and be like, well, when's the last time someone
saw her when they went to breakfast, Why didn't she
go with them? Or was she there? And then if
she had her room alone, that would explain why they
(20:10):
all showed up at breakfast without her, assuming she would
be there, But then they would also my question would
be did they go to the room. That's what I
would do, Go to the room, call her, text her right,
not just go to the authorities and say my daughter's missing. Yeah,
which I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What they did right, Well, we don't have a clear
timeline obviously of what has happened. I also read and
saw some podcasts where people were alleging that they had
heard that the minor son confessed to his stepmother that
(20:51):
she was not alive and then that's how she was found.
But that conflicts with the reporting that the maid found her.
So again there's this whole lot of.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
We usually have these true crime homicides where there's a
lot of questions. Yeah, this takes the gig. This is
one where we have a lot of questions and hopefully
we can it can develop and we can start to
address those.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, this is because it's very new. Actually, her memorial
is on the twentieth and then I don't know, maybe
there'll be more information released. It's the issues you're dealing
with minors, and you're dealing with a cruise ship and
they have to gather all their evidence.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So that's where we're out.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
So what happened and there's Yeah, it's just that's a
tough one. But I bet you that's why it's under
wraps because they're gathering a lot of data and they'll
say anyone to say anything one way or another. Until
they have what they know on their end, and then
they can ask the proper questions and they can release what
they want to the public to see if the public
has anything to add.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know what else?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I was thinking with a cruise ship. First of all,
you've got four thousand people on the ship. Then at
docks in Miami right on November eighth, and everybody leaves
the cruise ship.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Fifty five hundred people, right, was it four thousand, fifteen
hundred crew member? Right?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So we got yes, close to over five thousand people
on this ship. It docks in Miami on November eighth.
Everybody leaves a cruise ship. Now the FBI has to
hunt down everybody that was rooming next to her right
or may have seen something.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I mean, they're going to certainly, but they may not
know who that is until they review all the day.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But I'm saying, now, oh no, there was a murder
when they docked.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't know, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know if anybody was on the cruise ship
that is listening to this, can you please DM me
and give me the inside scoop? Were you aware that
there that there was a girl that had died. Were
you aware that she was possibly murdered? It was ruled homicide.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I just wanted I need more details, I need some
inside information.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Where was this cruise based out of Florida?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It went Miami to Caribbean and then back to Miami.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I believe you wonder if a funny thought would be
like if someone was on the poop cruise and then
they got a voucher to go on another cruise, and
then then they go on the murder cruise.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, yeah, right, and they're like, I'm done the cruises.
So what happens when a juvenile is involved in a homicide? So,
when a juvenile is involved in the death of another person,
whether the act was intentional or accidental, they can be
charged under the broad category of criminal homicide, which covers
all unlawful killings and serious cases. Especially when the youth
(23:14):
is sixteen or older. The court may move the case
from the juvenile system to adult criminal court. That was
another thing I was thinking about because even though this
isn't confirmed, I read that this alleged.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
You know, the homicide, the perpetrator, the person of interest such, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
The suspect.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Thank you is sixteen, which that's a pivotal age because
he could possibly be tried as an adult. So when
a minor is accused of murder, which is when someone
deliberately takes another person's life, or when they intentionally inflict
serious harm that would reasonably be expected to result in death,
a conviction can carry a mandatory minimum sentence of around
thirty years, with no opportunity for parole during that period.
(23:56):
In situations involving particularly vulnerable victims, for example a child
under fourteen who was sexually abused before being killed, or
when the victim is a law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Officer, which applies to this miner, right, the.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Punishment can increase significantly, right, So why does the FBI
have to deal with matters that happen on cruise ships
while in international waters, like in the Amy Bread lays.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Because there's no state that has jurisdiction, right, right, I
mean in layman's terms, which is all we really need
to know is they're not within a state. And in
this circumstance, it took place while in the waters, not
in a port or anything. So the steps in.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Exactly So what is Anna's family said? So her obituary
read quote Anna was pure energy, bubbly, funny, outgoing, and
completely herself. She never had a filter, and that was
part of her charm, whether she was practicing new makeup looks,
even if she had nowhere to go, making tiktoks in
front of the mirror, or blasting a perfectly curated playlist
(24:54):
on the boat. Anna lived every day with her whole heart.
She loved the sun, the water, boat day's island and
beach days, anything that let her soak in the light.
She so easily radiated to others. Her relatives find comfort
in knowing Anna lived her eighteen years to the fullest.
She was an athlete who began gymnastics at the age
of two and later joined her high school varsity cheerleading team.
(25:16):
She loved being near the water, earning her boater's license
and scuba certification. Anne enjoyed shopping, makeup and spending time
with friends. Anna was especially close to her grandmother, her
family has said, who affectionately called her Anna Banana. And
I've seen a lot of videos because she liked to
make TikTok videos, and she had gone on a cruise
prior to the one that she had died on. I
(25:38):
believe back in May of this year with her grandfather
and grandmother for her birthday, and.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It was cute. I saw a lot of her videos
that she made.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Her grandfather was in the background and her grandmother was
in some and so you know, it's just it's such
a sad situation that this bright eighteen year old that
was going to go into the military, that had this
full life ahead of her to live, goes on a cruise,
which clearly is one of her favorite things to do,
and something horrible happened to her.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, now family's destroyed too, you know, fathers without a daughter,
the mother, and the siblings, if one was involved, they're
going to be you know, their life is going to
go down.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
The dream so right, So well, thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And if you're going to have more updates right hopefully.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, no, we're going to continue to follow this case.
This is clearly the tip of the iceberg. I mean,
once someone I am assuming that there'll be an arrest
that comes at some point and there'll be more information
that comes out, and we will follow this case and
keep you updated on it. But thank you for listening.
If you have any insight information, please dm me. I
would love to hear from someone.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I know who did it. Yes, I would love.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
To hear from someone that was on the Horizon cruise
November two through the eighth on the Horizon, the Carnival
ship the Horizon. So if you're out there, please reach
out to me. And again, you guys, thank you so
much for listening. And just a reminder, we are on
our own feed now legally Brunette, So all you have
to do is google legally Brunette. It should take you
right to our feed. You can listen to all of
(27:06):
our episodes there. And also we still have a couple
of episodes that go into two Tea's, so make sure
you continue to listen to to Te's and you can
find some of our episodes there as well.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
So thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thank you,
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