June 16, 2022 • 55 mins
Leah and Demetri tackle some pretty serious topics today including the domestic violence death of an NYPD officer, an Amazon Mexico CEO that hired a hitman, and the new documentary regarding the hidden history behind the Boy Scouts of America. But as only Real Time Crime does they also find time for healing with laughter, including a rapper that wrote a song about robbing an ATM and then did it! Plus...find out about Leah's ridiculously uncomfortable moment with her boyfriend that put their relationship to an early test.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Real Time Crime.
I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I have with me
oftentimes Dmitri Dmitri, Hello, Hi, how are you? You know?
I'm wearing blue light glasses, which we've already decided are
not for me, but it honestly does help my eyes
not hurt. And I'm not sponsored by them, so I
have no reason to promote them. I just wanted to
(00:33):
let people know what was happening behind the scenes, which
is that I was brutally awakened by a blaring alarm
system for hours hours and it was also my birthday
two days ago, and I feel fine. Uh, Okay, that
that doesn't seem like a statement that we were led
to believe. Was that was that convincing? Okay? Cool? Because
(00:58):
it was my birthday two days ago and I'm fine.
I mean maybe it's just may being a guy. When
you say I'm fine, I automatically think she's not fine.
Oh See, it's funny because if you're a guy and
a woman says I'm fine, you should automatically think you
did something wrong. Yeah, but I don't think I have
anything to do with you turning a year older. Oh Wow,
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that's what it came off of. Right. The firing squad
is here, thank you, Dmitri. Well, I I think we're
all adult enough to know how birthdays work. Nobody turns
a year younger, nobody freezes. Oh my god, no one
turns a year younger. Let's innovate the birthday. Let's start
aging in reverse. How do we feel about that? I
think it's a good business plan. Yeah, but you're no
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different than you were the day before, three days ago.
So honestly, I'm not one of those people that thinks
like birthdays and all of a sudden you think, oh
my god, I'm older in my life. Just took this
monster leap. It's not a big deal to me. Tri
that's what you think. But I did find one gray
hair and I had a funeral for it. Okay, you guys,
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today we've got out depressing episode. That's that's I'm just
gonna start the podcast off with the honest truth. A
depressing episode. These cases are not light. We have an
NYPD cop fatally stabbed by an estranged husband, and the
BRONX and X Amazon Mexico ceo who's wanted in a
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hundred ninety countries for hiring a hitman to kill his wife.
So everyone's wives are getting murdered on this episode, kind
of by themselves. The husbands. A man who raps about
robbing ATM machines arrested over a t M robbery, lap
my fucking ass off. And then our main case of
the day will be Leave No Trace. You know it's
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streaming on Hulu today. Actually it's a hidden history of
the Boy Scouts, and I don't want to touch that
with a ten ft marshmallow stick. But here we are
very true. What I would like to say, I'd like
to give it this claimer of okay, because we're not
the news. Obviously you can read this stuff, and in
here in the news, we're not here to strictly just
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report it. We're gonna give opinions and where we can
as sensitively as we can, we try and have a
little bit of fun because I think we both believe
that when you can laugh somewhere in life, um, it's
what helps you get through the difficult times. So if
we do make any comments throughout these stories, we try.
We're not mere mean spirited people, but it's not our
job to just read these stories like we're the news.
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So we will try and and have some last one
we can, because we both believe that that's where you can,
where you can heal and have some fun. So I'm
just getting that disclaimer out now, Demitri, I appreciate that.
I mean, the other thing is, if you've been listening
to the podcast for a while now, you already know
this is true crime with the twist right to grind,
with the twist of comedy to alleviate the comfortable situations
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that we're discussing. Obviously, murders and funny. Obviously death isn't funny.
Obviously none of this is funny. But you know, uh,
the job of a comedian is to make light of
dark situations, and usually of our own dark situations. But then,
you know, you've got comedians who make nine eleven jokes,
and you've got comedians to make Holocaust jokes, and you've
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got comedians who make all types of jokes, you know,
dead baby jokes, You've got Anthony Jeselnick. You got it. Go.
It spans the history of time, is this is how
people deal with trauma. Um. So you know, if you've
made it this far, congratulations to you. All right, our
first hot topic for today and New York NYPD cop
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was fatally stabbed by her estranged husband in the Bronx.
She was an off duty cop and there was a
trail of blood leading police to her body. She's thirty
one years old. Ariana Reyes Gomez was allegedly stabbed multiple
times by her former partner, and according to authorities, this
was a domestic dispute turned deadly, so to me that triggers.
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There was arguing, people could hear it, etcetera. The officer
phoned a female relative, who then dialed and sent police
to location. When officers arrived around two fifty in the morning,
they found blood in the hallway leading to the apartment,
and after busting down the door, found her unresponsive. The
couple has a child who is not at home at
the time, thank god, and was out a state with relatives.
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Shortly after the incident, um her a strange husband turned
himself in at a neighboring precinct and he was charged
with murder, manslaughter, and criminal possession of a weapon. Okay, Dmitri,
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of this officer,
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and it's interesting to think that she called a relative
instead of dialing. Why do you think someone would do that.
I think that probably goes to U lends his hand
to the character of this of this woman as a
person and not as a police officer. And I'm not
saying she's a bad police officer. I think she knows
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the repercussions of making that call. And I think she
was really trying to give the ben at the foot
of the doubt to the father of her child, and
this and that, and and sadly she she was she
was wrong. Um. I think she tried hold on it.
She knew if I make that call the nine one one,
this is going to have repercussions with him in our
relationship and whether he can see his kid or not. Uh.
And I think she tried to go around it, and uh,
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you know, like I said, unfortunately that did not work.
But that's where my head goes. I think she she
knew what would happen. She's obviously she's an NYPD. She
knows what goes on, she knows what you're supposed to do.
She probably knew calling nine when one was the right move,
and she would have probably told anyone else to call
nine one one in that situation. But that's where you
have that that difficulty of of your job and your
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personal life and you can't you know, you have a
filter that you go through for your personal life. And
I think that's probably what happened. It's interesting because my
gut instinct was that she called this and and they
wrote in the article was a female relative. I think
that my gut instinct was that she called her because
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maybe she thought this was sort of going to happen,
and maybe she wanted to make arrangements for her child,
and it was like it didn't matter if she called
nine one one then or if she called one two
minutes later. I mean, I also wonder if she was
calling a family member because because it is an interesting
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thing to call a family member before if you feel
like you're in immediate danger, so part of me and
and as a cop, you think that you know, I
don't know. I mean, I wonder if she had a
weapon on her. I I wonder if her calling the
relative turned it violent. Um you know there, yeah, there's
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just so many possible ways it could have gone in town.
But it's I mean, it's also interesting because you know,
cops have training in self defense and defense and attack, right,
so you know, this also leads me to other questions
where it's like, obviously, this feels like it possibly was
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not the first time there had been domestic violence and
he was an estranged husband and the cops were saying
it was a domestic dispute turned deadly, So possibly this
has happened before. And I just wonder, you know, like
what this must have been such a struggle, um, and
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there must have been a lot of love for this
person at some point that you know she chose not
to call nine one one first. Yeah, yeah, sadly, Um,
I don't know. I mean, I think you're right about that.
I think, yeah, maybe she called there because she was
she was making arrangements um or thinking ahead. But I mean,
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I I like to think, as a train in YPG,
if she walked into a situation where there was a
this was happening and she was called to the scene,
she knew exactly how to handle it. So you're right,
she probably had a weapon. She probably she I'm sure
has trained in self defense, but for some reason she
either wasn't able to utilize that or she chose not to.
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And I think that's the question, Like you said in
the setup, when you were reading the story, I wonder
if other people heard things and what might unfold in
this story. Yeah, I'm interested to no more details. I mean,
I also wonder if there was a bit of fear
behind calling nine one one, or if you know she
had done anything wrong or you know, I wonder. I
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feel like there's more to this story that we're and
we're just hearing about the end instead of the beginning
in the middle. Yeah, that's true. There's definitely something. There's
definitely a big piece of this missing as to why
she didn't call that one of them, and everything you
brought up is is a legitimate case. Maybe there's something
that we don't know on her end, and I'm not
disparaging her um, but it's possible or there's something in
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the relationship where there's so there's some reason why an
NYPD officer did not call nine one one when their
life was in danger, and whatever that reason is, obviously
you think had she called, perhaps things could have been differently,
But I don't know. My hope for this case here
is that it says that the child was out of
out of state with family members, and I hope that
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that child is with family members. I hope they were
out doing something nice because those family members take care
of that child and they were out enjoying a vacation
or something. And I hope that um, wherever that child
ends up now that they're in in in a situation
where they can have a loving home. M me too.
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And I wish this wasn't a back to back situation
of kind of similar stories. But this ex Amazon Mexico's
to e O who's wanted in a hundred and ninety
countries for hiring a hitman to kill his wife. His
name is Juan Carlos Garcia. He hired two hitmen to
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kill his estranged wife. The former couple had a history
of domestic violence and she filed a restraining order against him,
and he was hired as the CEO of Amazon Mexico
and the company first opened in at their office in Mexico,
and they were separated after his wife filed a lawsuit
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against him, and during a court hearing in Mexico City,
one of the hitmen that was hired by him testified
that he offered an additional if his estranged wife was
killed before their next court hearing. What a gem up.
According to New York Post, Perez filed for divorce in
janu after she accused him of trying to kill her
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while beating her with a baseball back before her death.
She was in Mexico City for scheduled court hearing when
a motorcyclist opened fire and fatally shot her while she
was in a car with her two children and attorney.
The murder trial begins on Monday, and Interpol has issued
a warrant for his arrest in hundred ninety countries after
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he went on the lamb for after his estranged wife's death.
He allegedly escaped Mexico a few days after the murder
and entered a checkpoint near Tijuana. After entering the United States,
he reportedly sent a letter to the mayor of Mexico
City claiming he was innocent. It's really interesting because, I mean,
first of all, from our last episode, you know, with
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our Girls Gone Wild, Guys like people usually go to
Mexico to avoid jail. Now he's escaping Mexico to avoid jail.
So I've got a lot of questions. If you have
to escape Mexico to avoid jail, you did it. Yeah, yeah,
Mexico is not really that likely. Like you said, that's
where people go to avoids avoid being held responsible. So
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if you're running from there, then yeah, you're right. He
he did it, and I mean ship like pretty all
around pretty bad. He hired he hired hitman. I don't
know what the ground rules were with the with the hitman,
but how about don't shoot, well, don't do it at all,
but obviously that's what hit men do. Don't shoot when
the kids are in the car, And like, what what
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were the did he have no rules for? This? Is he?
That is he that low of a person or these
people go just off on their own, but don't you
know that that lets us know that it was him
because he hired a skilled hitman to just murder one
person in a vehicle with multiple other people and it
was a very specific person. And the fact that he
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only offered dred dollars more to kill as a strange one.
I'm like, bro, if I'm a hit man, I'm gonna
need way more money than that because I might go
to jail for life. Like that's rent for one month.
What do you gonna do with that? Or it's like
how many people are you killing on average? That there's
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just like a drop in the bucket, right and you
know what, what can we presume, Like I don't know.
Obviously we don't know this relationship, but I assume. My
My instinct was to say this was what they were separated,
they were strange, they were getting a divorce. This is
about he's an Amazon CEO, I Amazon Mexico. It probably
has some money, and I'm assuming this has to do
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with him not wanting to give up money. You know what,
I don't know why. I don't know why murdering a
spouse is always like the the it seems to these
people is the easy go to to get out of
having to pay money or having to or so I
can get married together, whatever it is. I don't understand
how this is always such a such a top shelf
option for these guys. Do you think it was about alimony?
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I don't know what. What was it about. It's like,
it's like, wouldn't you want to make sure that your
kids were having a good life? Like I don't, especially
if you're a CEO of Amazon like Jeff Asos is
writing a spaceship and you know, into two mars. I'm
pretty sure that the CEO of Mexico for Amazon's got
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some enough money to pay for whatever he needs to
pay for and his children's life and education. Yeah, well,
I mean, what's so what's the other option? I mean,
unless you feared for his children's safety from her, which
clearly doesn't make sense because he had someone shoot her
while she was in the car with them. So if
it was that, then just you know, finally legal proceedings
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and get custody of the kids. So I really doubt
that that was the case. I mean what else. Money
is where my mind goes to. Someone has a lot
of money, someone's getting divorced, and they don't want to
give up their money. That's what I see. Do you
think he'll be found in the US quickly? I mean
I think you know what's interesting. I did a quick
Google search. It's a hundred nine countries in the world,
and he's wanted in a hundred ninety. I'm curious to
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those other five, like, why don't you why why isn't
he wanted in your country? Is it Antarctica? And you're
just like, no one really survives here. Yeah, I mean,
and if I'm him, then then you got to one
of those five countries. But do I think I'll be
found in the US? Uh? Yeah? I mean, I think
he's pretty He's got to be pretty, hope, high profile, right,
he's the CEO of Amazon Mexico or was. Um, you know,
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obviously you can really hide out anywhere in the world.
But I think if they're really looking for him, then um,
they'll find him. You know what. I'm really looking for
a statement from our guy, Jeff Bezos. Mm hmm, hey
my former higher Yeah, a CEO like this is that's
not a small like I didn't have any interaction. They
just you know, he was in the mail room. No,
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that's a big deal. That is close connections, much like
Elizabeth Holmes case, in the Glenn Maxwell case. If this
goes to trial, we'll never see it, that's true. No,
but he listen if it was Johnny deppan ever heard,
we couldn't get away from it. Apparently there might be
a third trial for that. Did you know? No, I
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did not. Apparently he possibly is able to sue her
again because she had an interview after it was all over,
and apparently she said someone asked her, so is it
is it? Did he lie that he hit you, that
he did not hit you? Did he lie that he
did not hit you? And she was like, yeah, he
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hit me, that was a lie, and so Johnny Depp
technically has grounds to sue her again. This is classic
Hollywood if they're they're potentially making another sequel for something
I didn't really care for the first one. I don't
I didn't care for the amount of coverage that this got.
And you know what, there I think they both they
both had problems. Uh, I just I don't need to
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see any more of this. It just feels like she
keeps auditioning for the same part over and over. I'm like,
you know, maybe maybe you know, maybe Hollywood doesn't white
woman for this role. You know, I think it's like
it's time to move on, time to move on. Um,
you know, I think the last thing that I would
do well if I don't know, this is a tough spot.
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I think everyone's so tired of the Amber Turd story.
But I do think that if I was innocent, I
would probably still fight for my innocence, but fear another
trial because I was already brought down. But maybe if
I truly believed in my innocence, I would just go
for it no matter what. Then again, if I wasn't
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what I doubled down as hard. Yeah. I don't see
that that Johnny has anything to um to gain from
from going back to court for this. I think um
he got basically the result he wanted right from this.
He went out and he bought six worth of Indian
food and he started partying. And that's it. Like, I
don't think he needs to go back because she said
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they've already proven that she's lied about stuff. I don't
think he needs to go back and be like, she
lied about something else and I want to see her again.
He's not gonna She doesn't have the money to pay
you more, so just take what you can get right now.
Oh yeah, yeah, moving on to talking about not having
any money. A man who raps about robbing a t
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M machines arrested over Dana and a t M robbery
for people that wrote how to kill your husband and
then when and killed her husband. Yeah, it's pretty great. Actually,
Four people, including a Houston music artist who rapped about
committing crimes, have been arrested for allegedly robbing an a
t M technician in Tennessee. According to the Metropolitan Nashville
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Police Department, four people were taken into custody after an
alleged robbery if a man servicing a Bank of America
a TM. It's alleged that two of the defendants approached
the victim from behind and told him not to do
anything stupid and hand over the money. One of the
alleged robbers is Lattison Riley, who also goes by the
rap name wait for It to one three jug God.
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He recently released the song on YouTube and title make
It Home. In this song, Riley alluded to him and
other individuals committing crimes. The lyrics described robbing a t
M s out of state, having thousands of dollars in
their vehicle, praying to a boy, being caught up in
a car chase, and making it home. The four are
being charged federally and the FBI is investigating whether they're
they committed similar robberies elsewhere. And the other lyrics to
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their songs were I'm going to jail. Oh no, I'm
in jail. And it's weird because now they're going to
jail and they're in jail. Oh yeah, I mean listen,
we and here we thought we weren't gonna laugh today.
This is this guy is a moron. Okay. He wrote
a rap song okay, well, I don't know where you
want to start. He wrote a rap song about Robin
a t m S. And then he went and robbed
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at m S. His name is two one three jug God.
Name sucks, dude, And then he also tried to rob
by saying don't do anything stupid, hand over the money,
like classic old school rob He's such a cliche, don't
do anything stupid. It's like, and n even have a gun.
He probably just had a highlighter that he pressed itself back.
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You know, I mean this is and and also like
two one three jug God. I mean, my guy, no
better indication to me that you were never going to
make it as a rapper, so you know, going rapping
to robbery, and they sent us his song. Sadly, I
watched the video and listened to it. Song sucks, name sucks,
and the only thing worse than those are your ability
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to to rob someone like this guy is shooting zeros
across the board. I hope that when he is with
women he also shoots blanks, because this guy should not approcreate.
I think I can't believe he's not. Everything he does sucks,
So yeah, I bet he's another song that's like I
got eighteen baby mamas and no money for the alimony.
So that's why I'm robbing this bag. So here's a question.
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Do you think would they could they use the rap
song as in court? It seems like a confession to me.
It looks like it's premeditated, is it not. Yeah, whether
it's a confession or not, it's definitely something that was
on his mind. Right, And you know what they say
about music, right, They say, if you feel so strongly
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about something that there are no words left and there's
so much emotion behind it, that you must sing it.
That is how you know when it is real. That's
that's what the US teaches in musical theater. When you
went from speaking to singing, it's like there's just no
words left to describe it, so you have to sing
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because you're so emotional. I've never heard that before, but
that might make me appreciate musicals a little bit more. Oh,
how dare you? I'm going to New York next week
and I'm going to cry myself a river and every
Broadway show listen I love? I do, actually do. I
love Broadway. I love certain musicals, but it's always interesting
when they just burst into song, but that that I
had never heard that before. What I can tell you
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what I know about music is that just because you
rhyme doesn't make you a rapper. This guy will. I
think the only thing that made it better was that
he actually followed through on it. I will tell you
this though, If you do the rhyme, you committed the crime.
Little Johnny you Oh my god, speaking of Johnny conkering. Uh,
(23:17):
I just want to go back to Johnny Depp for
a second. It's so weird because right after he won,
you know, you heard about him that spending six d
can Indian food and then you know, celebrating, he released
a song about my cousin. About your cousin, Hetty Lamar
is your cousin. Yeah, we never talked about this. She's
(23:42):
like a distant cousin. But um, it was just so odd.
I was like, why why do I now feel connected
to Johnny Depp? Well, I mean it's not bad, no, no,
but you know he's doing the rhyme, so he commit
at the crime. I guess. But what you said before,
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and I put this on social media at one point,
so he went out and bought six K where the
Indian food it's now I understand why she was shipping
in the bed like it's kind of like, that's kind
of outrageous. Yeah, I hope they had more than one
bathroom in that home, or you know, maybe they didn't.
He was in the bathroom and she just couldn't wait,
or she just didn't care to use it. Look. Oh wait, no,
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it was the dog. It was the dog. It was
It was one of the multiple tiny dogs that could
never have pooped that size. Maybe they ate so much
Indian food, the dogs they shipped so much that it
was the size of their own bodies. You know, that's
happened to me. No, no, no, we're good. We're good.
Were good. That's one time when I was in Peru. No, no,
we're good, and everyone had to be already Okay, there
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are not enough bathrooms when multiple people have I will
just tell you, what what do you do? So you
just met, you just met this, you have, as people
know by now, you have a new boyfriend. What do
you do? What would happened when you went there and
you stayed with him and you had to go to
the bathroom. I'll use the listen, let's just be honest
with each other. This is what's happening or are you like, Oh,
I have to go down to the lobby to get
something from the store. I'm about to pull up something
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that will explain basically our entire relationship in in one
fell swoop. So he sent me an e card on
my birthday and uh, this is what it says. Remember
when you used to hold your farts in dot dot dot.
I missed that. So it's only been a month and
a half and I'm pretty sure we're married at this point. Um.
(25:34):
But basically the last time we were together, we were
in London and I was in the bathroom and you know,
we're two Jews and in eating lots of bad food.
So we were like like passing the Tom's bottle back
and forth, and we were bringing the pepto with us
every I was like, if Pepto Bismol doesn't sponsor me,
I'll be shocked, shocked. They're in every post everything sponsor
(25:56):
we get now. Yeah, And then so I sent him
a text message from the bathroom. That's it. I need
you to leave the bedroom and go into the other
room right now. And uh, right as I sent it it,
just like an explosive fart came out and I hear
him like laughing outside the door, and I was like, Na,
why does this make me so uncomfortable? It doesn't even
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follow me, you know. It was like before music on
and turn the water on. That's what girls do. If
you're in the bed with a guy that you just
started dating and you have to make an emergency fart
or a poop, you go into the bathroom, You light
a candle, you blast the music, you put the water on.
Everyone knows what's happening, but it just makes us feel
(26:37):
better for some reason. Oh you you can't because if
you're going number one because the music on, No, But
you'd rather hear the music and the and the sound
the water and know what's happening, then actually hear what's happening, right,
Because if you knew what was actually happening, which is
I'm casting a spell for you to love me forever
instead of farting, I don't think. I think I think
(26:58):
you missed up your spells. Um, listen, everybody does it.
There's nothing wrong with it. But I think the the
actually hearing it as opposed to knowing that it happens
are two different things. Um, I'm glad so did you
before we went in there. Did you say, hold on,
I'm slipping into something more uncomfortable. Uh no. But when
I came out, I said, do not go in there,
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perfect and he said, he said, I have to shower. Um,
I think he loves me. Wait, well, there are you
guys still talking? You Dmitri? No, I'm just if if
you're then yes, he does love you. At nine am
on my birthday, he had a gluten free cake sent
(27:39):
to my door. That's really sweet. I mean, I love
that he's trying to give you food that won't upset
your stomach. But then the other thing, apparently he emailed
this cake shop at midnight Los Angeles time. He's in London,
so you know he forgot the time difference, and they
send him an email back that said, if you want
to order a cake from us, please order it at
a more so couple hour. That's how insane l A
(28:05):
is is that they're like, I'm sorry, you didn't do
something the way I wanted you to do it, so
I don't even want your money. Then it's not like
he called them and woke them up at at home
and it was in the email. Just respond when you
wake up. Yeah, and it's I'm ordering something. You have
a business. I'm ordering something and saying can you send
it during your hours of operation? He wasn't like, Yo,
(28:27):
get out of bed, it's my girlfriend's birthday and make
a cake. No, it's so it's out of it because
we already have won bad experience. It's so insane because
it's like, uh, no one wants to work in l
a that they would literally rather reject incoming business. Yeah,
it's like it's wild you own a bakery. If you
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don't want to work, you can start a podcast. Hilarious
and thank you so much too. On three jug God,
I can't. I wish you could write a song about
I also just want to let you know that when
we were talking about these two stories the last two
um and hearing someone kind of get approached from behind,
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this happened to me in London. I'm not comfortable with
this segment, but go ahead. We went boyfriends and then
go ahead, okay. Um. I hadn't posted on my Instagram
story like twenty four hours and they my ex pulled
me from behind and tackled me to the ground and
(29:34):
said I found you, bitch, um in a playful manner.
I mean, as playful as that can be. The thing
that's so upsetting is that I didn't even scream. I
just knew intuitively it was him, and I I just said, okay, now, okay,
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I guess we're gonna need some details on this. How
did we leave off in this relationship? And was this
like I've been looking for you when I found you, bitch?
Or oh my gosh, look at us. We're both in London.
How crazy is this? I mean he was also in
London for work apparently, Um was that work to find you?
And a real job? You know? It's a pretty crazy
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His friend filmed it and they sent it to me
so I can commemorate that moment forever. Oh wonderful. So
what happened then? So obviously you didn't hurt yourself. It
was a playful takedown. It was as playful as a
takedown tackle to the street as you can get. Were
you by yourself? And then I just continued on my
marriedway to lunch after being accosted in a foreign country.
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But um, yeah, it's funny how people don't think things
through and it's like, Okay, here's a woman by herself
in a foreign country. I'm gonna go and like, I'm
just gonna go up and surprise her and grab her
from behind, like some people don't really think that. I
was in a farmer's market one time with my kids
and my son was small, and one of my buddies
saw me, but I didn't see him, and so he
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happened to walk up and as you know, as a hello,
and like a surprise, he picked up my son. And
I mean, it's luckily I turned quick and I saw
who it was. It was fun, but my instinct was
to just haul off on this guy, so that very
well could have ended in me just punching him in
the face, because when you're out in public and someone
picks up your son, you freak out. Yep, yep. I
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think it says a lot more about me than it
says about him. That I was just like, well, here
we go. I've got a true grime podcast. I've been
waiting for it. Yeah, I was like, I honestly like,
I think it was almost disheartening to him that I
didn't scream, because I was like, man, it's almost like
a not again. All right, how many times do I
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need to get tackled by next today? You know? Um? Yeah,
it was odd. He also told me that he'd been
they've been following me for a couple of blocks. Okay, great,
So anyway, why is this guy your EXE? So anyway,
I go to WIT A protection program, and it has
been so nice having a podcast with you. I will
now be um Henrietta Maguilla Cutty, and I'll probably living
(32:07):
in Nebraska, so you can't share that info. That's the
whole point. Oh shoot, okay, so I'm going back into
the Witness Protection oram um. Sorry, c I A. If
you could just give me another so scary number and
identity and New States Live and thank you so much,
that would be great. Sorry if you just decided to
like change your name and all that kind of stuff.
But you just went about doing everything you're doing. So
(32:28):
you performed as Henrietta, but it was you, and we're like, hey,
welcome back to real time crime. This is Henrietta, and
and where I am in the world is none of
your seeing business. I just have the same backdrop. No
one really knows if I've actually left my apartment in
l A or just brought it with me somewhere. Anyway,
you guys, it's time to go to a quick little
break and as I always say, don't touch that dial,
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and you always say, don't commit any crimes in the
next thirty seconds. Yeah, but if you have to, I
get it. Just don't make them like in Hence once.
If it's a petty crime, like you still post it.
You know, sometimes you got to write a memo down. Yeah,
but don't write a rap song about it. Oh no,
it's two and three. Drug out already took that, so
be original. Think of something else to do. I'm going
(33:13):
to spend the next the break think about how stupid
a song and name that is. Okay, all right, we'll
be right back you guys. Sorry about Dmitrie and we're back.
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Hello everyone, Welcome to your favorite true crime podcast, your
True Crime with a Twist Podcast. Because I didn't really
know any other podcast that are making jokes about people's misfortunes,
we should just rebrand this to shot him Freud the podcast. Yeah,
I mean, listen, it's all about the segue. Somehow we
went from multiple murders to a shitty rap song to
(34:00):
you going in the bathroom next year, boyfriend, and and
then getting tackled by my acts. Don't forget that really
important part. It seems like you already chose to like
that's this was me on the street. The only difference
this is not dead. I just pointing to a chalk outline, yes,
talk outline of a person on the floor. Boy boy,
(34:21):
is my life interesting? Okay? So you guys our story
for the main case for today? What's um? Have you
ever noticed that sometimes there are things wrong with me
and sometimes I'm fine? When would I have noticed that
this podcast is now being called Leah is building one
(34:45):
brick to the path to hell every episode. All right,
So I'm sure this is no mystery to anyone. We
all know the Boy Scouts of America. I have had
some trouble for many years now. So there is a
a new dock out called Leave No Trace, Hidden History
of the Boy Scouts. Oh boy, um, So the Boy
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Scouts America had a stunning fall as they are now
set to make tons of payouts to one of the
largest sexual abuse settlements in US history. The doc is
exploring allegations made by thousands of former Boy Scouts, like
John Humphrey, who joined his trip in nineteen or twelve
years old. He said he suffered abuse at the hands
of his Scout master for three years. He buried the
(35:31):
trauma for decades and did not break the silence until
he was fifty five. I also just want to say
before I go more into this, like abuse survivors is
a sort of common, right, Like what happened with the
Michael Jackson documentary. It's sometimes they just buried the trauma
and you're too young to really process it. And and
if you don't get help, or you don't know to
ask for help, or you don't even really understand what's
(35:53):
going on. This is just this is not unusual. It's
not unusual, and it's often these times, are you know?
These programs are set up to like help kids, right,
And it's not like these people just that's why they
say things about grooming and stuff like that. It's not
like these people just go in and abuse somebody. They
groom them, They tell them, hey, don't do this, or
(36:14):
you don't want to tell anybody this, or or you know,
and they set up these things that make the kids
scared to tell anybody. So of course they then suppress
it and they carry it with them for their entire lives.
Same thing that happened with the church. Yeah, it's it's
almost Yeah, it's any abuse allegations like we we had
that case just a couple of weeks ago where the
woman came forward much later and that you know, it's
(36:37):
like this just happens, okay, since it's not unusual, and
it looks like the journey of the hundred and fifteen
year old organization and their financial history, their financial future
and the litigation that they're still in the middle of
right now, will be investigating this documentary. The hulu A
doc reveals how the Ones Revered Organization obviously had a
major fault from Grace, so apparently the organization has been
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maintaining files on ineligible volunteers since the nineteen twenties. The
Red List, as it was called, was mistaken as an
effort to root out communists rather than child molesters. Dude,
I would rather have a communist hang out with my
kids in the woods and be like everyone gets one
(37:23):
marshmallow just because you're richer, Timmy doesn't mean you get
to and Johnny gets one. You know, I would rather
it was like a communism for dummies. You really broke
that down by the thank you. I would rather my
child hanging out with a communist than child molester. Okay, sorry,
(37:43):
continuing on, Um, they've dealt with abusers internally through probation
program and it afforded them second chances, So why don't
we why don't we say that again? Okay, they dealt
with the abusers internally. Never works because that's just covering
it up. You're covering it up. Don't give him a
second chance in an in an organization that deals with children. Yeah, no,
(38:05):
that's it. It's common sense that that's it. Like when
it comes to especially children especially, you get one chance,
like there's no second chance. Mm hmm. I speak as
someone who is not yet a parent and cannot keep
a plant alive, and um, this is still the most
(38:29):
obvious thing in the entire world to me. Yeah, no,
it's it's it's insane. And obviously I am a parent,
and it's like this type of ship like organizations that
were set up to quote unquote help children and then
or to help the parents. You know, maybe a lot
of these people, they could be single moms or single
dads trying to find something for their kid and help,
you know, they say it takes a village. I want
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someone to help, you know, with my son, and and
it's like, and this is what's going on, Like that's
fucking insane. And so apparently the film shows how some
of the big non are still dealing with trauma of
their abuse. I'm sure right. And as an organization, with
the help of donations and tax breaks, they grew bigger
(39:12):
and richer and acquired vast tracts of land, and that
attracted more sexual predators. And it's interesting because their values
we're on patriotism, courage, self reliance, and kindred virtues. Sorry,
but I guess I don't know what a virtue is.
Then if this is what these people are doing, Okay,
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So what's happening is in the Boy Scouts America filed
for bankruptcy with more than eighty two thousand former members
filing abuse claims. Two thousand thousands young boys are filing claims.
That's not that's not a leak in your in your pipeline,
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disaster of a program. There's there's the size of a city.
The national organization is preparing to pay more than two
point seven billion to victims. It would be the largest
ex abuse to pay out in American history. And they're
saying we're heartbroken and outraged and sincerely apologize to anyone
who was harmed during their time and scouting. That's what
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they post online. It's like, yeah, were you, because then
why were you giving these people second chances? Sounds very
well written, um, but you know, are we hearing from
the people that gave these people second chances? Now that
that's not where that statement is coming from. That maybe
that statements coming from someone in the organization that didn't know,
or someone that came on later, or or someone that's
just writing it. I mean, it's obviously huge organization, but
(40:37):
I don't know, like eight two thousand and I don't
know how many people have gone through the Boy Scouts
of America. I'd be curious to see the numbers of
how many members they've ever had. Doesn't make it right,
not justifying any of this, but that's either a well
crafted and I'm using air quotes on this for a
well crafted um PR line. But it's like, no, once
(40:58):
you give someone a set can chance, and once you
the first time you heard something happened right, that person
doesn't get a second chance. And then you now have
other stipulations in other ways that you have to put
people screenings things to get these the people that are
in charge of these things. You have to change everything
right away on that first thing. Now, let me turn
(41:22):
the butter a little more. I don't know why I
said that, let me let me turn the page because
wait till you hear this next thing. That will make
you realize that we don't really have empathy for the
air quotes of their quote unquote heartbroken and outraged nous. Okay,
(41:46):
because by the time the rolled around, the boy Scouts
were being sued regularly over the unwanted sexual attentions visited
on scouts by scout masters ago. So I don't know
how forty years later they're like, oh no, we're so
heartbroken and outraged. You should have been heartbroken and outraged
over forty years ago. And also, you know, it was
(42:09):
like two point seven billion. Wow, that's huge. Like but
this guy, he didn't say anything until he was fifty five.
His entire life was ruined by that. So yeah, you
know what, you do need to suffer, and you do
need to make payouts, but the payoffs doesn't change the
fact that these people's, these these guys lives were ruined, ruined,
(42:29):
absolutely ruined. I mean so, by the way, if you're
interested in watching this. It's called Leave No Trace. It's
gonna be streaming on Hulu, and it's in theaters in
New York in l A now today. But I mean, okay,
So I was in Girl Scouts, and I will say
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we had a very questionable Scout leader. I even as
a kid remember thinking something's not right here. But nothing
bad happened to me. Um. I don't know if anything
bad happened to anyone else, but I do remember it
being odd. And the Scout leader was someone who didn't
(43:13):
have children of her own. And I remember why I
found that out or how I found that out. I
just remember being something that I was told as a child. Um.
I think I went on like one retreat in the
woods and never went again. Yeah, it's funny. I was.
I went to one boy Scout meeting. One I actually
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got kicked in the nuts and I decided I wasn't
going back, but you know what, thank God, but just
by another kid. Um. But I also, oddly enough, I
was the youngest of five kids, and um, I once
went to a Brownies. You meant Brownies is like the
younger girl Scouts, Is that right? I think I once
my sister once had to take me to a Brownies
because she was babysitting. Made so I went to equal
(43:55):
on a Brownies as I did Boy Scouts, and neither
really worked out for me. But um, this is this
is the thing. These are the programs that are supposed
to I want to thank my sister for taking good
care of me. Um, these are the programs that are
supposed to help, Like I said, maybe single parents, maybe not,
maybe just you know, parents that want something better for
their kids and they don't even realize what was happening.
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And the you know what, a lot more has to
come down on these things. You can't for forty years
forty years plus and and financial payouts whatever you know,
you know, and and maybe the Boy Scouts shuts down
probably should because it certainly wasn't handled right, or it's
got to be completely revamped into something else. But I
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don't know, it's you know, I don't know if I
want to watch this, but I have this thing where
I want to know stuff because it makes me more
aware of stuff that goes on. So I do watch
these things, and I do listen to these things, and
I do read these stories, but it's heartbreaking to to
also see them see that's what you think. But then
how many murder docs have I watched? And yet when
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I was tackled to the ground, had no reaction. The
other thing is like I didn't need to know. How
is this going to affect me getting Girl Scout cookies?
I think you're fine. I think girls got cookies are fine.
We're in the clear. Yeah, all right, never mind, anyway
back to our regular scheduled program. No, are you still
(45:20):
gonna get your snacks? My thin mins? Thank god? Um okay,
But I think the idea of boy Scouts is great.
You know, they're teaching kids survival skills. They're teaching kids
supposedly you know, about honor and and leadership and brotherhood
and these are all important qualities as childs. And you're
actually doing that, yes, and not reminding your lesson and
(45:42):
an outdoor you know, wilderness skills and these are also things.
I think it's ways for young men to connect to
the earth and um understand, just just to be in nature,
right especially I mean, like I said, I don't have kids,
I know you, but to disconnect from cell phones and
(46:04):
tablets and iPads and all this sort of gaming, all
this technology that they have and just be in nature
and kind of appreciate life for what it is. I
think it's really important, but I'll just take my kids camping.
You know, I'm good. Thank you. In theory, it's it's
a it's a real it's it's a great idea for
a program. But nothing is good if you don't run
(46:27):
it right. And if you don't you know, all this
stuff makes me like sometimes people like, oh, I can
take your kid if you want if you can't drive
most most of the time, and it's no offense to
the people that offer that are good people. Most of
the time, it's no And I have to constantly have
conversations with my kids. That's like if anybody ever says,
don't tell your mom or don't tell your dad, or
let's just keep this between us, the what's the first
(46:48):
thing that you do, and they'll like tell you, I'm
like right, because that's how this ship goes. And it's
disgusting and it's sad that that that people don't know better.
It's like they're teaching what you say, they're teaching how
to be independent and how to survive, and you know
what someone needed to teach them how to fend off
a fucking perfect. Yeah, it's interesting because this went on
(47:13):
for so long before they were taken down, And you know,
I think this goes to show the like, if you've
got money, throw money at the problem, make it go
away until it camp go away anymore, you know. And
we see this time and time again. Same thing with
Joe from Girls Gone Wild, same thing with um Epstein
(47:33):
and Epstein Island. Right, Like, this was going on for
a long time and just kinda n d a's payouts,
all this sort of stuff until all of a sudden
it boils to ahead many many many years later, and
then it's, oh my gosh, is a statement like oh,
we're horrified by what was going No, you're not, because
you're not cover ups. Listen, cover ups only make things worse.
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The Church, the Voice, Scouts, whatever it may be. I mean, look,
a two thousand people, that's not eight people. And even
if it was a people, that's too many. But eat
people in an entire organization that's nationwide. I could be like, Okay,
maybe this organization can continue on eight two people. No,
(48:17):
they don't have a chance, Like this is third chance,
poor chance Christians. This is an organization that doesn't have
any system in place to make sure that sexual predators, pedophiles,
members of man blah aren't involved in their organization. And
they don't care. That's that's what it says to me,
is they don't care about And it's like what are
(48:40):
they doing with the money? Like who's who's who are
these people at the top? Who are does Like muahaha,
I'm sitting on my pile of boy scout riches. Let's
give this guy a probation. Listen, sexual offenses and especially
towards children, are not an in house thing to deal with.
You don't deal with them in house. You don't do probation,
You don't give some in a second chance. What it
(49:01):
is is, hey, when you get out of you know,
the court ordered jail time that you're going to serve,
find a new career that has nothing to do with children.
You Know. It's interesting because building a financial empire off
of and like a wilderness campus actually kind of genius, right,
because you don't have to pay for hotels, you don't
(49:24):
have to pay for like the amount of money that
it's almost like it's a stand up right, Like when
you hire a band to play or you go to
a musical, it's like there's so many people involved, they're
so um, they're sets, their scenery, there's you know this
like big sound check. They mean lots of equipment and
prep time. When it's a stand up comedian's just a microphone,
a chair and you know, a stool, and and so
(49:46):
for venues, it's they of course they want to host
comedians because it costs them so much less money and
there's less overhead. And so now I see why it
was so easy for them to build such a financial
empire because they had such a small overhead compared to
lots of other programs like sleepwag camps and all this
other stuff. Right, it's like, oh, what you're paying for
(50:08):
marshmallows in a tent? Right? And it's so crazy to
see that the greediness of these people was taken so
far that they just denied and paid out victims of
sexual abuse by the leaders of their organization. Anyway, I'm
disgusted with them and think that they should be shut down. Yeah,
(50:32):
I don't know if we have more to talk about
with this. It's just like it's it feels like such
an open and shut case in my opinion, Yeah, it is.
It's an open and shut case. And like I said before,
there's no there's no second chances in that kind of behavior.
And you know what, and unfortunately you wish oh I
don't know, I was gonna say, unfortunately wish people would
speak up more. That's a very difficult thing to do
(50:53):
and a very difficult thing to say. I give extreme
um props to the people that have the courage to
do that. And you know, and it's even heartbreaking more
when they do that in there, you know, they're not believed,
or they're or they're shut you know, hushed or whatever.
So yeah, I agree the whole thing. I have no problem.
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You ran it wrong for decades, you heard a lot
of people. I'm fine, shut it down. Yeah. I mean
that's the other thing too, is so many times people
who come forward or not believed, or it's not taken seriously,
or they're treated so poorly that they're like why would
I even come forward? You know, and they just deal
with it. Uh. Iould like to be a lawyer that
(51:34):
has to defend that group and be like, no, well
this person is making it up. If you really don't
believe that, then you shouldn't. You shouldn't even I have
a problem with with lawyers that like defense lawyers that
have to like slander someone when they know pretty well
that that person is telling the truth. I had a
friend who was sexually assaulted. The R word that's triggering
(51:56):
for some people, as I'm trying to avoid using it.
And then she went to the hospital for an ar
kid and they said where did it happen? And she
told them and they said, you have to go to
a hospital that's in the city located where it happened.
It's like, why would you even bother? You know, It's
(52:17):
like if these people are not even to take it
seriously or are just going to push you away, or
it's like why add insults injury at this point, it's
just disgusting. Anyway, I wanted to not end this on
a sad note, so I'll just say, um, Dmitri, Yeah, Dmitri.
If if you had a rap career, what do you
think your user name would be on YouTube? I would
(52:41):
not would I'm not a rapper. I don't know that
I would have a rap Do you think it would
be deep deep aps? Yeah? Probably something like that with
a Z or dollar sign. No, I wouldn't do the
the plural like the paps, because I think it would
be confused with like papsmere. Yeah. I that's immediately what
I thought, And I was like, oh, I don't know
of Dmitri has kind of college vibes, but maybe I
(53:02):
think I would just do it. Give it like some
random Twitter name might be like d pap seven eight
four six given nine paps mars. That was my pin code?
Can we cut that out? Ha ha, Yeah, it's your
pin um. I entered my pin incorrectly three times yesterday
and my bank was like, are you sure that was you?
And I was like, yes, I'm just an idiot. Yeah,
(53:22):
I'm the king of forgot my password clicks. If I
was a rapper, I think i'd go by um, I
go by a little little joke. Girl. I think it's
safe to say neither of us are gonna have rap careers. Yeah,
it's our rap creers are over. And if you think
(53:44):
that your rap career is just starting, leave us a voicemail.
We'd love to hear a rap that you have for us,
But don't make it like I can rob the seven
eleven if you really did just use your head on
that one. No, don't confess the commny a crime does.
That's wrapping and we don't want to get involved. Okay,
let's leave us a voicemail eight six s crime. That's
(54:07):
eight six six one crime eight six six to one
to seven four six three. If you go to heaven,
that's where they send your phone call. I'm hoping we're
out by now. You guys, we love you, Stay safe,
(54:28):
don't comm any crimes. See you next week and you
can find Dmitri online at Dmitri Pappas, Dmitri Papees and
me at Lea Lamar show dates on my Instagram stories,
my Instagram fee, my Twitter, or my website Lamar dot com.
TikTok with five rs. You know the drill. We love you,
(54:48):
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more real time crime only on I Heart Radio
Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Real Time Crime.
I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I have with me
oftentimes Dmitri Dmitri, Hello, Hi, how are you? You know?
I'm wearing blue light glasses, which we've already decided are
not for me, but it honestly does help my eyes
not hurt. And I'm not sponsored by them, so I
have no reason to promote them. I just wanted to
(00:33):
let people know what was happening behind the scenes, which
is that I was brutally awakened by a blaring alarm
system for hours hours and it was also my birthday
two days ago, and I feel fine. Uh, Okay, that
that doesn't seem like a statement that we were led
to believe. Was that was that convincing? Okay? Cool? Because
(00:58):
it was my birthday two days ago and I'm fine.
I mean maybe it's just may being a guy. When
you say I'm fine, I automatically think she's not fine.
Oh See, it's funny because if you're a guy and
a woman says I'm fine, you should automatically think you
did something wrong. Yeah, but I don't think I have
anything to do with you turning a year older. Oh Wow,
(01:19):
that's what it came off of. Right. The firing squad
is here, thank you, Dmitri. Well, I I think we're
all adult enough to know how birthdays work. Nobody turns
a year younger, nobody freezes. Oh my god, no one
turns a year younger. Let's innovate the birthday. Let's start
aging in reverse. How do we feel about that? I
think it's a good business plan. Yeah, but you're no
(01:40):
different than you were the day before, three days ago.
So honestly, I'm not one of those people that thinks
like birthdays and all of a sudden you think, oh
my god, I'm older in my life. Just took this
monster leap. It's not a big deal to me. Tri
that's what you think. But I did find one gray
hair and I had a funeral for it. Okay, you guys,
(02:00):
today we've got out depressing episode. That's that's I'm just
gonna start the podcast off with the honest truth. A
depressing episode. These cases are not light. We have an
NYPD cop fatally stabbed by an estranged husband, and the
BRONX and X Amazon Mexico ceo who's wanted in a
(02:21):
hundred ninety countries for hiring a hitman to kill his wife.
So everyone's wives are getting murdered on this episode, kind
of by themselves. The husbands. A man who raps about
robbing ATM machines arrested over a t M robbery, lap
my fucking ass off. And then our main case of
the day will be Leave No Trace. You know it's
(02:44):
streaming on Hulu today. Actually it's a hidden history of
the Boy Scouts, and I don't want to touch that
with a ten ft marshmallow stick. But here we are
very true. What I would like to say, I'd like
to give it this claimer of okay, because we're not
the news. Obviously you can read this stuff, and in
here in the news, we're not here to strictly just
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report it. We're gonna give opinions and where we can
as sensitively as we can, we try and have a
little bit of fun because I think we both believe
that when you can laugh somewhere in life, um, it's
what helps you get through the difficult times. So if
we do make any comments throughout these stories, we try.
We're not mere mean spirited people, but it's not our
job to just read these stories like we're the news.
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So we will try and and have some last one
we can, because we both believe that that's where you can,
where you can heal and have some fun. So I'm
just getting that disclaimer out now, Demitri, I appreciate that.
I mean, the other thing is, if you've been listening
to the podcast for a while now, you already know
this is true crime with the twist right to grind,
with the twist of comedy to alleviate the comfortable situations
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that we're discussing. Obviously, murders and funny. Obviously death isn't funny.
Obviously none of this is funny. But you know, uh,
the job of a comedian is to make light of
dark situations, and usually of our own dark situations. But then,
you know, you've got comedians who make nine eleven jokes,
and you've got comedians to make Holocaust jokes, and you've
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got comedians who make all types of jokes, you know,
dead baby jokes, You've got Anthony Jeselnick. You got it. Go.
It spans the history of time, is this is how
people deal with trauma. Um. So you know, if you've
made it this far, congratulations to you. All right, our
first hot topic for today and New York NYPD cop
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was fatally stabbed by her estranged husband in the Bronx.
She was an off duty cop and there was a
trail of blood leading police to her body. She's thirty
one years old. Ariana Reyes Gomez was allegedly stabbed multiple
times by her former partner, and according to authorities, this
was a domestic dispute turned deadly, so to me that triggers.
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There was arguing, people could hear it, etcetera. The officer
phoned a female relative, who then dialed and sent police
to location. When officers arrived around two fifty in the morning,
they found blood in the hallway leading to the apartment,
and after busting down the door, found her unresponsive. The
couple has a child who is not at home at
the time, thank god, and was out a state with relatives.
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Shortly after the incident, um her a strange husband turned
himself in at a neighboring precinct and he was charged
with murder, manslaughter, and criminal possession of a weapon. Okay, Dmitri,
I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of this officer,
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and it's interesting to think that she called a relative
instead of dialing. Why do you think someone would do that.
I think that probably goes to U lends his hand
to the character of this of this woman as a
person and not as a police officer. And I'm not
saying she's a bad police officer. I think she knows
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the repercussions of making that call. And I think she
was really trying to give the ben at the foot
of the doubt to the father of her child, and
this and that, and and sadly she she was she
was wrong. Um. I think she tried hold on it.
She knew if I make that call the nine one one,
this is going to have repercussions with him in our
relationship and whether he can see his kid or not. Uh.
And I think she tried to go around it, and uh,
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you know, like I said, unfortunately that did not work.
But that's where my head goes. I think she she
knew what would happen. She's obviously she's an NYPD. She
knows what goes on, she knows what you're supposed to do.
She probably knew calling nine when one was the right move,
and she would have probably told anyone else to call
nine one one in that situation. But that's where you
have that that difficulty of of your job and your
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personal life and you can't you know, you have a
filter that you go through for your personal life. And
I think that's probably what happened. It's interesting because my
gut instinct was that she called this and and they
wrote in the article was a female relative. I think
that my gut instinct was that she called her because
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maybe she thought this was sort of going to happen,
and maybe she wanted to make arrangements for her child,
and it was like it didn't matter if she called
nine one one then or if she called one two
minutes later. I mean, I also wonder if she was
calling a family member because because it is an interesting
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thing to call a family member before if you feel
like you're in immediate danger, so part of me and
and as a cop, you think that you know, I
don't know. I mean, I wonder if she had a
weapon on her. I I wonder if her calling the
relative turned it violent. Um you know there, yeah, there's
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just so many possible ways it could have gone in town.
But it's I mean, it's also interesting because you know,
cops have training in self defense and defense and attack, right,
so you know, this also leads me to other questions
where it's like, obviously, this feels like it possibly was
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not the first time there had been domestic violence and
he was an estranged husband and the cops were saying
it was a domestic dispute turned deadly, So possibly this
has happened before. And I just wonder, you know, like
what this must have been such a struggle, um, and
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there must have been a lot of love for this
person at some point that you know she chose not
to call nine one one first. Yeah, yeah, sadly, Um,
I don't know. I mean, I think you're right about that.
I think, yeah, maybe she called there because she was
she was making arrangements um or thinking ahead. But I mean,
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I I like to think, as a train in YPG,
if she walked into a situation where there was a
this was happening and she was called to the scene,
she knew exactly how to handle it. So you're right,
she probably had a weapon. She probably she I'm sure
has trained in self defense, but for some reason she
either wasn't able to utilize that or she chose not to.
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And I think that's the question, Like you said in
the setup, when you were reading the story, I wonder
if other people heard things and what might unfold in
this story. Yeah, I'm interested to no more details. I mean,
I also wonder if there was a bit of fear
behind calling nine one one, or if you know she
had done anything wrong or you know, I wonder. I
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feel like there's more to this story that we're and
we're just hearing about the end instead of the beginning
in the middle. Yeah, that's true. There's definitely something. There's
definitely a big piece of this missing as to why
she didn't call that one of them, and everything you
brought up is is a legitimate case. Maybe there's something
that we don't know on her end, and I'm not
disparaging her um, but it's possible or there's something in
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the relationship where there's so there's some reason why an
NYPD officer did not call nine one one when their
life was in danger, and whatever that reason is, obviously
you think had she called, perhaps things could have been differently,
But I don't know. My hope for this case here
is that it says that the child was out of
out of state with family members, and I hope that
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that child is with family members. I hope they were
out doing something nice because those family members take care
of that child and they were out enjoying a vacation
or something. And I hope that um, wherever that child
ends up now that they're in in in a situation
where they can have a loving home. M me too.
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And I wish this wasn't a back to back situation
of kind of similar stories. But this ex Amazon Mexico's
to e O who's wanted in a hundred and ninety
countries for hiring a hitman to kill his wife. His
name is Juan Carlos Garcia. He hired two hitmen to
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kill his estranged wife. The former couple had a history
of domestic violence and she filed a restraining order against him,
and he was hired as the CEO of Amazon Mexico
and the company first opened in at their office in Mexico,
and they were separated after his wife filed a lawsuit
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against him, and during a court hearing in Mexico City,
one of the hitmen that was hired by him testified
that he offered an additional if his estranged wife was
killed before their next court hearing. What a gem up.
According to New York Post, Perez filed for divorce in
janu after she accused him of trying to kill her
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while beating her with a baseball back before her death.
She was in Mexico City for scheduled court hearing when
a motorcyclist opened fire and fatally shot her while she
was in a car with her two children and attorney.
The murder trial begins on Monday, and Interpol has issued
a warrant for his arrest in hundred ninety countries after
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he went on the lamb for after his estranged wife's death.
He allegedly escaped Mexico a few days after the murder
and entered a checkpoint near Tijuana. After entering the United States,
he reportedly sent a letter to the mayor of Mexico
City claiming he was innocent. It's really interesting because, I mean,
first of all, from our last episode, you know, with
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our Girls Gone Wild, Guys like people usually go to
Mexico to avoid jail. Now he's escaping Mexico to avoid jail.
So I've got a lot of questions. If you have
to escape Mexico to avoid jail, you did it. Yeah, yeah,
Mexico is not really that likely. Like you said, that's
where people go to avoids avoid being held responsible. So
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if you're running from there, then yeah, you're right. He
he did it, and I mean ship like pretty all
around pretty bad. He hired he hired hitman. I don't
know what the ground rules were with the with the hitman,
but how about don't shoot, well, don't do it at all,
but obviously that's what hit men do. Don't shoot when
the kids are in the car, And like, what what
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were the did he have no rules for? This? Is he?
That is he that low of a person or these
people go just off on their own, but don't you
know that that lets us know that it was him
because he hired a skilled hitman to just murder one
person in a vehicle with multiple other people and it
was a very specific person. And the fact that he
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only offered dred dollars more to kill as a strange one.
I'm like, bro, if I'm a hit man, I'm gonna
need way more money than that because I might go
to jail for life. Like that's rent for one month.
What do you gonna do with that? Or it's like
how many people are you killing on average? That there's
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just like a drop in the bucket, right and you
know what, what can we presume, Like I don't know.
Obviously we don't know this relationship, but I assume. My
My instinct was to say this was what they were separated,
they were strange, they were getting a divorce. This is
about he's an Amazon CEO, I Amazon Mexico. It probably
has some money, and I'm assuming this has to do
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with him not wanting to give up money. You know what,
I don't know why. I don't know why murdering a
spouse is always like the the it seems to these
people is the easy go to to get out of
having to pay money or having to or so I
can get married together, whatever it is. I don't understand
how this is always such a such a top shelf
option for these guys. Do you think it was about alimony?
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I don't know what. What was it about. It's like,
it's like, wouldn't you want to make sure that your
kids were having a good life? Like I don't, especially
if you're a CEO of Amazon like Jeff Asos is
writing a spaceship and you know, into two mars. I'm
pretty sure that the CEO of Mexico for Amazon's got
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some enough money to pay for whatever he needs to
pay for and his children's life and education. Yeah, well,
I mean, what's so what's the other option? I mean,
unless you feared for his children's safety from her, which
clearly doesn't make sense because he had someone shoot her
while she was in the car with them. So if
it was that, then just you know, finally legal proceedings
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and get custody of the kids. So I really doubt
that that was the case. I mean what else. Money
is where my mind goes to. Someone has a lot
of money, someone's getting divorced, and they don't want to
give up their money. That's what I see. Do you
think he'll be found in the US quickly? I mean
I think you know what's interesting. I did a quick
Google search. It's a hundred nine countries in the world,
and he's wanted in a hundred ninety. I'm curious to
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those other five, like, why don't you why why isn't
he wanted in your country? Is it Antarctica? And you're
just like, no one really survives here. Yeah, I mean,
and if I'm him, then then you got to one
of those five countries. But do I think I'll be
found in the US? Uh? Yeah? I mean, I think
he's pretty He's got to be pretty, hope, high profile, right,
he's the CEO of Amazon Mexico or was. Um, you know,
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obviously you can really hide out anywhere in the world.
But I think if they're really looking for him, then um,
they'll find him. You know what. I'm really looking for
a statement from our guy, Jeff Bezos. Mm hmm, hey
my former higher Yeah, a CEO like this is that's
not a small like I didn't have any interaction. They
just you know, he was in the mail room. No,
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that's a big deal. That is close connections, much like
Elizabeth Holmes case, in the Glenn Maxwell case. If this
goes to trial, we'll never see it, that's true. No,
but he listen if it was Johnny deppan ever heard,
we couldn't get away from it. Apparently there might be
a third trial for that. Did you know? No, I
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did not. Apparently he possibly is able to sue her
again because she had an interview after it was all over,
and apparently she said someone asked her, so is it
is it? Did he lie that he hit you, that
he did not hit you? Did he lie that he
did not hit you? And she was like, yeah, he
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hit me, that was a lie, and so Johnny Depp
technically has grounds to sue her again. This is classic
Hollywood if they're they're potentially making another sequel for something
I didn't really care for the first one. I don't
I didn't care for the amount of coverage that this got.
And you know what, there I think they both they
both had problems. Uh, I just I don't need to
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see any more of this. It just feels like she
keeps auditioning for the same part over and over. I'm like,
you know, maybe maybe you know, maybe Hollywood doesn't white
woman for this role. You know, I think it's like
it's time to move on, time to move on. Um,
you know, I think the last thing that I would
do well if I don't know, this is a tough spot.
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I think everyone's so tired of the Amber Turd story.
But I do think that if I was innocent, I
would probably still fight for my innocence, but fear another
trial because I was already brought down. But maybe if
I truly believed in my innocence, I would just go
for it no matter what. Then again, if I wasn't
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what I doubled down as hard. Yeah. I don't see
that that Johnny has anything to um to gain from
from going back to court for this. I think um
he got basically the result he wanted right from this.
He went out and he bought six worth of Indian
food and he started partying. And that's it. Like, I
don't think he needs to go back because she said
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they've already proven that she's lied about stuff. I don't
think he needs to go back and be like, she
lied about something else and I want to see her again.
He's not gonna She doesn't have the money to pay
you more, so just take what you can get right now.
Oh yeah, yeah, moving on to talking about not having
any money. A man who raps about robbing a t
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M machines arrested over Dana and a t M robbery
for people that wrote how to kill your husband and
then when and killed her husband. Yeah, it's pretty great. Actually,
Four people, including a Houston music artist who rapped about
committing crimes, have been arrested for allegedly robbing an a
t M technician in Tennessee. According to the Metropolitan Nashville
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Police Department, four people were taken into custody after an
alleged robbery if a man servicing a Bank of America
a TM. It's alleged that two of the defendants approached
the victim from behind and told him not to do
anything stupid and hand over the money. One of the
alleged robbers is Lattison Riley, who also goes by the
rap name wait for It to one three jug God.
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He recently released the song on YouTube and title make
It Home. In this song, Riley alluded to him and
other individuals committing crimes. The lyrics described robbing a t
M s out of state, having thousands of dollars in
their vehicle, praying to a boy, being caught up in
a car chase, and making it home. The four are
being charged federally and the FBI is investigating whether they're
they committed similar robberies elsewhere. And the other lyrics to
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their songs were I'm going to jail. Oh no, I'm
in jail. And it's weird because now they're going to
jail and they're in jail. Oh yeah, I mean listen,
we and here we thought we weren't gonna laugh today.
This is this guy is a moron. Okay. He wrote
a rap song okay, well, I don't know where you
want to start. He wrote a rap song about Robin
a t m S. And then he went and robbed
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at m S. His name is two one three jug God.
Name sucks, dude, And then he also tried to rob
by saying don't do anything stupid, hand over the money,
like classic old school rob He's such a cliche, don't
do anything stupid. It's like, and n even have a gun.
He probably just had a highlighter that he pressed itself back.
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You know, I mean this is and and also like
two one three jug God. I mean, my guy, no
better indication to me that you were never going to
make it as a rapper, so you know, going rapping
to robbery, and they sent us his song. Sadly, I
watched the video and listened to it. Song sucks, name sucks,
and the only thing worse than those are your ability
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to to rob someone like this guy is shooting zeros
across the board. I hope that when he is with
women he also shoots blanks, because this guy should not approcreate.
I think I can't believe he's not. Everything he does sucks,
So yeah, I bet he's another song that's like I
got eighteen baby mamas and no money for the alimony.
So that's why I'm robbing this bag. So here's a question.
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Do you think would they could they use the rap
song as in court? It seems like a confession to me.
It looks like it's premeditated, is it not. Yeah, whether
it's a confession or not, it's definitely something that was
on his mind. Right, And you know what they say
about music, right, They say, if you feel so strongly
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about something that there are no words left and there's
so much emotion behind it, that you must sing it.
That is how you know when it is real. That's
that's what the US teaches in musical theater. When you
went from speaking to singing, it's like there's just no
words left to describe it, so you have to sing
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because you're so emotional. I've never heard that before, but
that might make me appreciate musicals a little bit more. Oh,
how dare you? I'm going to New York next week
and I'm going to cry myself a river and every
Broadway show listen I love? I do, actually do. I
love Broadway. I love certain musicals, but it's always interesting
when they just burst into song, but that that I
had never heard that before. What I can tell you
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what I know about music is that just because you
rhyme doesn't make you a rapper. This guy will. I
think the only thing that made it better was that
he actually followed through on it. I will tell you
this though, If you do the rhyme, you committed the crime.
Little Johnny you Oh my god, speaking of Johnny conkering. Uh,
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I just want to go back to Johnny Depp for
a second. It's so weird because right after he won,
you know, you heard about him that spending six d
can Indian food and then you know, celebrating, he released
a song about my cousin. About your cousin, Hetty Lamar
is your cousin. Yeah, we never talked about this. She's
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like a distant cousin. But um, it was just so odd.
I was like, why why do I now feel connected
to Johnny Depp? Well, I mean it's not bad, no, no,
but you know he's doing the rhyme, so he commit
at the crime. I guess. But what you said before,
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and I put this on social media at one point,
so he went out and bought six K where the
Indian food it's now I understand why she was shipping
in the bed like it's kind of like, that's kind
of outrageous. Yeah, I hope they had more than one
bathroom in that home, or you know, maybe they didn't.
He was in the bathroom and she just couldn't wait,
or she just didn't care to use it. Look. Oh wait, no,
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it was the dog. It was the dog. It was
It was one of the multiple tiny dogs that could
never have pooped that size. Maybe they ate so much
Indian food, the dogs they shipped so much that it
was the size of their own bodies. You know, that's
happened to me. No, no, no, we're good. We're good.
Were good. That's one time when I was in Peru. No, no,
we're good, and everyone had to be already Okay, there
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are not enough bathrooms when multiple people have I will
just tell you, what what do you do? So you
just met, you just met this, you have, as people
know by now, you have a new boyfriend. What do
you do? What would happened when you went there and
you stayed with him and you had to go to
the bathroom. I'll use the listen, let's just be honest
with each other. This is what's happening or are you like, Oh,
I have to go down to the lobby to get
something from the store. I'm about to pull up something
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that will explain basically our entire relationship in in one
fell swoop. So he sent me an e card on
my birthday and uh, this is what it says. Remember
when you used to hold your farts in dot dot dot.
I missed that. So it's only been a month and
a half and I'm pretty sure we're married at this point. Um.
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But basically the last time we were together, we were
in London and I was in the bathroom and you know,
we're two Jews and in eating lots of bad food.
So we were like like passing the Tom's bottle back
and forth, and we were bringing the pepto with us
every I was like, if Pepto Bismol doesn't sponsor me,
I'll be shocked, shocked. They're in every post everything sponsor
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we get now. Yeah, And then so I sent him
a text message from the bathroom. That's it. I need
you to leave the bedroom and go into the other
room right now. And uh, right as I sent it it,
just like an explosive fart came out and I hear
him like laughing outside the door, and I was like, Na,
why does this make me so uncomfortable? It doesn't even
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follow me, you know. It was like before music on
and turn the water on. That's what girls do. If
you're in the bed with a guy that you just
started dating and you have to make an emergency fart
or a poop, you go into the bathroom, You light
a candle, you blast the music, you put the water on.
Everyone knows what's happening, but it just makes us feel
(26:37):
better for some reason. Oh you you can't because if
you're going number one because the music on, No, But
you'd rather hear the music and the and the sound
the water and know what's happening, then actually hear what's happening, right,
Because if you knew what was actually happening, which is
I'm casting a spell for you to love me forever
instead of farting, I don't think. I think I think
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you missed up your spells. Um, listen, everybody does it.
There's nothing wrong with it. But I think the the
actually hearing it as opposed to knowing that it happens
are two different things. Um, I'm glad so did you
before we went in there. Did you say, hold on,
I'm slipping into something more uncomfortable. Uh no. But when
I came out, I said, do not go in there,
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perfect and he said, he said, I have to shower. Um,
I think he loves me. Wait, well, there are you
guys still talking? You Dmitri? No, I'm just if if
you're then yes, he does love you. At nine am
on my birthday, he had a gluten free cake sent
(27:39):
to my door. That's really sweet. I mean, I love
that he's trying to give you food that won't upset
your stomach. But then the other thing, apparently he emailed
this cake shop at midnight Los Angeles time. He's in London,
so you know he forgot the time difference, and they
send him an email back that said, if you want
to order a cake from us, please order it at
a more so couple hour. That's how insane l A
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is is that they're like, I'm sorry, you didn't do
something the way I wanted you to do it, so
I don't even want your money. Then it's not like
he called them and woke them up at at home
and it was in the email. Just respond when you
wake up. Yeah, and it's I'm ordering something. You have
a business. I'm ordering something and saying can you send
it during your hours of operation? He wasn't like, Yo,
(28:27):
get out of bed, it's my girlfriend's birthday and make
a cake. No, it's so it's out of it because
we already have won bad experience. It's so insane because
it's like, uh, no one wants to work in l
a that they would literally rather reject incoming business. Yeah,
it's like it's wild you own a bakery. If you
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don't want to work, you can start a podcast. Hilarious
and thank you so much too. On three jug God,
I can't. I wish you could write a song about
I also just want to let you know that when
we were talking about these two stories the last two
um and hearing someone kind of get approached from behind,
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this happened to me in London. I'm not comfortable with
this segment, but go ahead. We went boyfriends and then
go ahead, okay. Um. I hadn't posted on my Instagram
story like twenty four hours and they my ex pulled
me from behind and tackled me to the ground and
(29:34):
said I found you, bitch, um in a playful manner.
I mean, as playful as that can be. The thing
that's so upsetting is that I didn't even scream. I
just knew intuitively it was him, and I I just said, okay, now, okay,
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I guess we're gonna need some details on this. How
did we leave off in this relationship? And was this
like I've been looking for you when I found you, bitch?
Or oh my gosh, look at us. We're both in London.
How crazy is this? I mean he was also in
London for work apparently, Um was that work to find you?
And a real job? You know? It's a pretty crazy
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His friend filmed it and they sent it to me
so I can commemorate that moment forever. Oh wonderful. So
what happened then? So obviously you didn't hurt yourself. It
was a playful takedown. It was as playful as a
takedown tackle to the street as you can get. Were
you by yourself? And then I just continued on my
marriedway to lunch after being accosted in a foreign country.
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But um, yeah, it's funny how people don't think things
through and it's like, Okay, here's a woman by herself
in a foreign country. I'm gonna go and like, I'm
just gonna go up and surprise her and grab her
from behind, like some people don't really think that. I
was in a farmer's market one time with my kids
and my son was small, and one of my buddies
saw me, but I didn't see him, and so he
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happened to walk up and as you know, as a hello,
and like a surprise, he picked up my son. And
I mean, it's luckily I turned quick and I saw
who it was. It was fun, but my instinct was
to just haul off on this guy, so that very
well could have ended in me just punching him in
the face, because when you're out in public and someone
picks up your son, you freak out. Yep, yep. I
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think it says a lot more about me than it
says about him. That I was just like, well, here
we go. I've got a true grime podcast. I've been
waiting for it. Yeah, I was like, I honestly like,
I think it was almost disheartening to him that I
didn't scream, because I was like, man, it's almost like
a not again. All right, how many times do I
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need to get tackled by next today? You know? Um? Yeah,
it was odd. He also told me that he'd been
they've been following me for a couple of blocks. Okay, great,
So anyway, why is this guy your EXE? So anyway,
I go to WIT A protection program, and it has
been so nice having a podcast with you. I will
now be um Henrietta Maguilla Cutty, and I'll probably living
(32:07):
in Nebraska, so you can't share that info. That's the
whole point. Oh shoot, okay, so I'm going back into
the Witness Protection oram um. Sorry, c I A. If
you could just give me another so scary number and
identity and New States Live and thank you so much,
that would be great. Sorry if you just decided to
like change your name and all that kind of stuff.
But you just went about doing everything you're doing. So
(32:28):
you performed as Henrietta, but it was you, and we're like, hey,
welcome back to real time crime. This is Henrietta, and
and where I am in the world is none of
your seeing business. I just have the same backdrop. No
one really knows if I've actually left my apartment in
l A or just brought it with me somewhere. Anyway,
you guys, it's time to go to a quick little
break and as I always say, don't touch that dial,
(32:53):
and you always say, don't commit any crimes in the
next thirty seconds. Yeah, but if you have to, I
get it. Just don't make them like in Hence once.
If it's a petty crime, like you still post it.
You know, sometimes you got to write a memo down. Yeah,
but don't write a rap song about it. Oh no,
it's two and three. Drug out already took that, so
be original. Think of something else to do. I'm going
(33:13):
to spend the next the break think about how stupid
a song and name that is. Okay, all right, we'll
be right back you guys. Sorry about Dmitrie and we're back.
(33:38):
Hello everyone, Welcome to your favorite true crime podcast, your
True Crime with a Twist Podcast. Because I didn't really
know any other podcast that are making jokes about people's misfortunes,
we should just rebrand this to shot him Freud the podcast. Yeah,
I mean, listen, it's all about the segue. Somehow we
went from multiple murders to a shitty rap song to
(34:00):
you going in the bathroom next year, boyfriend, and and
then getting tackled by my acts. Don't forget that really
important part. It seems like you already chose to like
that's this was me on the street. The only difference
this is not dead. I just pointing to a chalk outline, yes,
talk outline of a person on the floor. Boy boy,
(34:21):
is my life interesting? Okay? So you guys our story
for the main case for today? What's um? Have you
ever noticed that sometimes there are things wrong with me
and sometimes I'm fine? When would I have noticed that
this podcast is now being called Leah is building one
(34:45):
brick to the path to hell every episode. All right,
So I'm sure this is no mystery to anyone. We
all know the Boy Scouts of America. I have had
some trouble for many years now. So there is a
a new dock out called Leave No Trace, Hidden History
of the Boy Scouts. Oh boy, um, So the Boy
(35:10):
Scouts America had a stunning fall as they are now
set to make tons of payouts to one of the
largest sexual abuse settlements in US history. The doc is
exploring allegations made by thousands of former Boy Scouts, like
John Humphrey, who joined his trip in nineteen or twelve
years old. He said he suffered abuse at the hands
of his Scout master for three years. He buried the
(35:31):
trauma for decades and did not break the silence until
he was fifty five. I also just want to say
before I go more into this, like abuse survivors is
a sort of common, right, Like what happened with the
Michael Jackson documentary. It's sometimes they just buried the trauma
and you're too young to really process it. And and
if you don't get help, or you don't know to
ask for help, or you don't even really understand what's
(35:53):
going on. This is just this is not unusual. It's
not unusual, and it's often these times, are you know?
These programs are set up to like help kids, right,
And it's not like these people just that's why they
say things about grooming and stuff like that. It's not
like these people just go in and abuse somebody. They
groom them, They tell them, hey, don't do this, or
(36:14):
you don't want to tell anybody this, or or you know,
and they set up these things that make the kids
scared to tell anybody. So of course they then suppress
it and they carry it with them for their entire lives.
Same thing that happened with the church. Yeah, it's it's
almost Yeah, it's any abuse allegations like we we had
that case just a couple of weeks ago where the
woman came forward much later and that you know, it's
(36:37):
like this just happens, okay, since it's not unusual, and
it looks like the journey of the hundred and fifteen
year old organization and their financial history, their financial future
and the litigation that they're still in the middle of
right now, will be investigating this documentary. The hulu A
doc reveals how the Ones Revered Organization obviously had a
major fault from Grace, so apparently the organization has been
(37:02):
maintaining files on ineligible volunteers since the nineteen twenties. The
Red List, as it was called, was mistaken as an
effort to root out communists rather than child molesters. Dude,
I would rather have a communist hang out with my
kids in the woods and be like everyone gets one
(37:23):
marshmallow just because you're richer, Timmy doesn't mean you get
to and Johnny gets one. You know, I would rather
it was like a communism for dummies. You really broke
that down by the thank you. I would rather my
child hanging out with a communist than child molester. Okay, sorry,
(37:43):
continuing on, Um, they've dealt with abusers internally through probation
program and it afforded them second chances, So why don't
we why don't we say that again? Okay, they dealt
with the abusers internally. Never works because that's just covering
it up. You're covering it up. Don't give him a
second chance in an in an organization that deals with children. Yeah, no,
(38:05):
that's it. It's common sense that that's it. Like when
it comes to especially children especially, you get one chance,
like there's no second chance. Mm hmm. I speak as
someone who is not yet a parent and cannot keep
a plant alive, and um, this is still the most
(38:29):
obvious thing in the entire world to me. Yeah, no,
it's it's it's insane. And obviously I am a parent,
and it's like this type of ship like organizations that
were set up to quote unquote help children and then
or to help the parents. You know, maybe a lot
of these people, they could be single moms or single
dads trying to find something for their kid and help,
you know, they say it takes a village. I want
(38:49):
someone to help, you know, with my son, and and
it's like, and this is what's going on, Like that's
fucking insane. And so apparently the film shows how some
of the big non are still dealing with trauma of
their abuse. I'm sure right. And as an organization, with
the help of donations and tax breaks, they grew bigger
(39:12):
and richer and acquired vast tracts of land, and that
attracted more sexual predators. And it's interesting because their values
we're on patriotism, courage, self reliance, and kindred virtues. Sorry,
but I guess I don't know what a virtue is.
Then if this is what these people are doing, Okay,
(39:34):
So what's happening is in the Boy Scouts America filed
for bankruptcy with more than eighty two thousand former members
filing abuse claims. Two thousand thousands young boys are filing claims.
That's not that's not a leak in your in your pipeline,
(39:56):
disaster of a program. There's there's the size of a city.
The national organization is preparing to pay more than two
point seven billion to victims. It would be the largest
ex abuse to pay out in American history. And they're
saying we're heartbroken and outraged and sincerely apologize to anyone
who was harmed during their time and scouting. That's what
(40:17):
they post online. It's like, yeah, were you, because then
why were you giving these people second chances? Sounds very
well written, um, but you know, are we hearing from
the people that gave these people second chances? Now that
that's not where that statement is coming from. That maybe
that statements coming from someone in the organization that didn't know,
or someone that came on later, or or someone that's
just writing it. I mean, it's obviously huge organization, but
(40:37):
I don't know, like eight two thousand and I don't
know how many people have gone through the Boy Scouts
of America. I'd be curious to see the numbers of
how many members they've ever had. Doesn't make it right,
not justifying any of this, but that's either a well
crafted and I'm using air quotes on this for a
well crafted um PR line. But it's like, no, once
(40:58):
you give someone a set can chance, and once you
the first time you heard something happened right, that person
doesn't get a second chance. And then you now have
other stipulations in other ways that you have to put
people screenings things to get these the people that are
in charge of these things. You have to change everything
right away on that first thing. Now, let me turn
(41:22):
the butter a little more. I don't know why I
said that, let me let me turn the page because
wait till you hear this next thing. That will make
you realize that we don't really have empathy for the
air quotes of their quote unquote heartbroken and outraged nous. Okay,
(41:46):
because by the time the rolled around, the boy Scouts
were being sued regularly over the unwanted sexual attentions visited
on scouts by scout masters ago. So I don't know
how forty years later they're like, oh no, we're so
heartbroken and outraged. You should have been heartbroken and outraged
over forty years ago. And also, you know, it was
(42:09):
like two point seven billion. Wow, that's huge. Like but
this guy, he didn't say anything until he was fifty five.
His entire life was ruined by that. So yeah, you
know what, you do need to suffer, and you do
need to make payouts, but the payoffs doesn't change the
fact that these people's, these these guys lives were ruined, ruined,
(42:29):
absolutely ruined. I mean so, by the way, if you're
interested in watching this. It's called Leave No Trace. It's
gonna be streaming on Hulu, and it's in theaters in
New York in l A now today. But I mean, okay,
So I was in Girl Scouts, and I will say
(42:50):
we had a very questionable Scout leader. I even as
a kid remember thinking something's not right here. But nothing
bad happened to me. Um. I don't know if anything
bad happened to anyone else, but I do remember it
being odd. And the Scout leader was someone who didn't
(43:13):
have children of her own. And I remember why I
found that out or how I found that out. I
just remember being something that I was told as a child. Um.
I think I went on like one retreat in the
woods and never went again. Yeah, it's funny. I was.
I went to one boy Scout meeting. One I actually
(43:33):
got kicked in the nuts and I decided I wasn't
going back, but you know what, thank God, but just
by another kid. Um. But I also, oddly enough, I
was the youngest of five kids, and um, I once
went to a Brownies. You meant Brownies is like the
younger girl Scouts, Is that right? I think I once
my sister once had to take me to a Brownies
because she was babysitting. Made so I went to equal
(43:55):
on a Brownies as I did Boy Scouts, and neither
really worked out for me. But um, this is this
is the thing. These are the programs that are supposed
to I want to thank my sister for taking good
care of me. Um, these are the programs that are
supposed to help, Like I said, maybe single parents, maybe not,
maybe just you know, parents that want something better for
their kids and they don't even realize what was happening.
(44:17):
And the you know what, a lot more has to
come down on these things. You can't for forty years
forty years plus and and financial payouts whatever you know,
you know, and and maybe the Boy Scouts shuts down
probably should because it certainly wasn't handled right, or it's
got to be completely revamped into something else. But I
(44:38):
don't know, it's you know, I don't know if I
want to watch this, but I have this thing where
I want to know stuff because it makes me more
aware of stuff that goes on. So I do watch
these things, and I do listen to these things, and
I do read these stories, but it's heartbreaking to to
also see them see that's what you think. But then
how many murder docs have I watched? And yet when
(45:00):
I was tackled to the ground, had no reaction. The
other thing is like I didn't need to know. How
is this going to affect me getting Girl Scout cookies?
I think you're fine. I think girls got cookies are fine.
We're in the clear. Yeah, all right, never mind, anyway
back to our regular scheduled program. No, are you still
(45:20):
gonna get your snacks? My thin mins? Thank god? Um okay,
But I think the idea of boy Scouts is great.
You know, they're teaching kids survival skills. They're teaching kids
supposedly you know, about honor and and leadership and brotherhood
and these are all important qualities as childs. And you're
actually doing that, yes, and not reminding your lesson and
(45:42):
an outdoor you know, wilderness skills and these are also things.
I think it's ways for young men to connect to
the earth and um understand, just just to be in nature,
right especially I mean, like I said, I don't have kids,
I know you, but to disconnect from cell phones and
(46:04):
tablets and iPads and all this sort of gaming, all
this technology that they have and just be in nature
and kind of appreciate life for what it is. I
think it's really important, but I'll just take my kids camping.
You know, I'm good. Thank you. In theory, it's it's
a it's a real it's it's a great idea for
a program. But nothing is good if you don't run
(46:27):
it right. And if you don't you know, all this
stuff makes me like sometimes people like, oh, I can
take your kid if you want if you can't drive
most most of the time, and it's no offense to
the people that offer that are good people. Most of
the time, it's no And I have to constantly have
conversations with my kids. That's like if anybody ever says,
don't tell your mom or don't tell your dad, or
let's just keep this between us, the what's the first
(46:48):
thing that you do, and they'll like tell you, I'm
like right, because that's how this ship goes. And it's
disgusting and it's sad that that that people don't know better.
It's like they're teaching what you say, they're teaching how
to be independent and how to survive, and you know
what someone needed to teach them how to fend off
a fucking perfect. Yeah, it's interesting because this went on
(47:13):
for so long before they were taken down, And you know,
I think this goes to show the like, if you've
got money, throw money at the problem, make it go
away until it camp go away anymore, you know. And
we see this time and time again. Same thing with
Joe from Girls Gone Wild, same thing with um Epstein
(47:33):
and Epstein Island. Right, Like, this was going on for
a long time and just kinda n d a's payouts,
all this sort of stuff until all of a sudden
it boils to ahead many many many years later, and
then it's, oh my gosh, is a statement like oh,
we're horrified by what was going No, you're not, because
you're not cover ups. Listen, cover ups only make things worse.
(47:54):
The Church, the Voice, Scouts, whatever it may be. I mean, look,
a two thousand people, that's not eight people. And even
if it was a people, that's too many. But eat
people in an entire organization that's nationwide. I could be like, Okay,
maybe this organization can continue on eight two people. No,
(48:17):
they don't have a chance, Like this is third chance,
poor chance Christians. This is an organization that doesn't have
any system in place to make sure that sexual predators, pedophiles,
members of man blah aren't involved in their organization. And
they don't care. That's that's what it says to me,
is they don't care about And it's like what are
(48:40):
they doing with the money? Like who's who's who are
these people at the top? Who are does Like muahaha,
I'm sitting on my pile of boy scout riches. Let's
give this guy a probation. Listen, sexual offenses and especially
towards children, are not an in house thing to deal with.
You don't deal with them in house. You don't do probation,
You don't give some in a second chance. What it
(49:01):
is is, hey, when you get out of you know,
the court ordered jail time that you're going to serve,
find a new career that has nothing to do with children.
You Know. It's interesting because building a financial empire off
of and like a wilderness campus actually kind of genius, right,
because you don't have to pay for hotels, you don't
(49:24):
have to pay for like the amount of money that
it's almost like it's a stand up right, Like when
you hire a band to play or you go to
a musical, it's like there's so many people involved, they're
so um, they're sets, their scenery, there's you know this
like big sound check. They mean lots of equipment and
prep time. When it's a stand up comedian's just a microphone,
a chair and you know, a stool, and and so
(49:46):
for venues, it's they of course they want to host
comedians because it costs them so much less money and
there's less overhead. And so now I see why it
was so easy for them to build such a financial
empire because they had such a small overhead compared to
lots of other programs like sleepwag camps and all this
other stuff. Right, it's like, oh, what you're paying for
(50:08):
marshmallows in a tent? Right? And it's so crazy to
see that the greediness of these people was taken so
far that they just denied and paid out victims of
sexual abuse by the leaders of their organization. Anyway, I'm
disgusted with them and think that they should be shut down. Yeah,
(50:32):
I don't know if we have more to talk about
with this. It's just like it's it feels like such
an open and shut case in my opinion, Yeah, it is.
It's an open and shut case. And like I said before,
there's no there's no second chances in that kind of behavior.
And you know what, and unfortunately you wish oh I
don't know, I was gonna say, unfortunately wish people would
speak up more. That's a very difficult thing to do
(50:53):
and a very difficult thing to say. I give extreme
um props to the people that have the courage to
do that. And you know, and it's even heartbreaking more
when they do that in there, you know, they're not believed,
or they're or they're shut you know, hushed or whatever.
So yeah, I agree the whole thing. I have no problem.
(51:14):
You ran it wrong for decades, you heard a lot
of people. I'm fine, shut it down. Yeah. I mean
that's the other thing too, is so many times people
who come forward or not believed, or it's not taken seriously,
or they're treated so poorly that they're like why would
I even come forward? You know, and they just deal
with it. Uh. Iould like to be a lawyer that
(51:34):
has to defend that group and be like, no, well
this person is making it up. If you really don't
believe that, then you shouldn't. You shouldn't even I have
a problem with with lawyers that like defense lawyers that
have to like slander someone when they know pretty well
that that person is telling the truth. I had a
friend who was sexually assaulted. The R word that's triggering
(51:56):
for some people, as I'm trying to avoid using it.
And then she went to the hospital for an ar
kid and they said where did it happen? And she
told them and they said, you have to go to
a hospital that's in the city located where it happened.
It's like, why would you even bother? You know, It's
(52:17):
like if these people are not even to take it
seriously or are just going to push you away, or
it's like why add insults injury at this point, it's
just disgusting. Anyway, I wanted to not end this on
a sad note, so I'll just say, um, Dmitri, Yeah, Dmitri.
If if you had a rap career, what do you
think your user name would be on YouTube? I would
(52:41):
not would I'm not a rapper. I don't know that
I would have a rap Do you think it would
be deep deep aps? Yeah? Probably something like that with
a Z or dollar sign. No, I wouldn't do the
the plural like the paps, because I think it would
be confused with like papsmere. Yeah. I that's immediately what
I thought, And I was like, oh, I don't know
of Dmitri has kind of college vibes, but maybe I
(53:02):
think I would just do it. Give it like some
random Twitter name might be like d pap seven eight
four six given nine paps mars. That was my pin code?
Can we cut that out? Ha ha, Yeah, it's your
pin um. I entered my pin incorrectly three times yesterday
and my bank was like, are you sure that was you?
And I was like, yes, I'm just an idiot. Yeah,
(53:22):
I'm the king of forgot my password clicks. If I
was a rapper, I think i'd go by um, I
go by a little little joke. Girl. I think it's
safe to say neither of us are gonna have rap careers. Yeah,
it's our rap creers are over. And if you think
(53:44):
that your rap career is just starting, leave us a voicemail.
We'd love to hear a rap that you have for us,
But don't make it like I can rob the seven
eleven if you really did just use your head on
that one. No, don't confess the commny a crime does.
That's wrapping and we don't want to get involved. Okay,
let's leave us a voicemail eight six s crime. That's
(54:07):
eight six six one crime eight six six to one
to seven four six three. If you go to heaven,
that's where they send your phone call. I'm hoping we're
out by now. You guys, we love you, Stay safe,
(54:28):
don't comm any crimes. See you next week and you
can find Dmitri online at Dmitri Pappas, Dmitri Papees and
me at Lea Lamar show dates on my Instagram stories,
my Instagram fee, my Twitter, or my website Lamar dot com.
TikTok with five rs. You know the drill. We love you,
(54:48):
goodbye bye. It's real time Crod, real time Rod. I
mean it actually real time solving it a thing or
is that just the thing we say it's a thing,
we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for
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