33-year-old Martha Nolan was found dead just after midnight on a boat in Montauk’s exclusive yacht club in early August. Police have not given any updates on her mysterious death after saying they were awaiting results from her autopsy and toxicology reports. The only witness to it all was a 60-year-old businessman, seen naked and upset running down the dock looking for help, and recent comments from his attorney have only made the story more bizarre and confusing. From the D4vd investigation, to the deaths of Martha Nolan and Anna Kepner, Amy and T.J. will spend this week going over some of the mysterious cases that plagued the headlines in 2025, to see where they are headed in the new year.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, January sixth. We have
an update on the murder mystery in Montak. The update is, well,
we still really don't know if it's a murder or not.
Saying with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
Rose will be calling it up all right, right, it
goes with a literation, right good headline murder mystery in Montak.
(00:23):
We were talking about a death that took place last August.
Do we know much more now about Martha Nolan's death
than we did last August?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The short answer is no, And when I follow up
with this next bit of information, it actually is shocking
even as I say it. She was found just after
midnight on August fifth. August fifth is the last official
update we've gotten from police. That is when they announced
(00:54):
at the end of that day that the autopsy did
not show any evidence or at least their initial findings
did not sho show any evidence of violence, and that
her final cause of death is pending further examination. That
is what they said. The review of the body did
not show evidence of violence and her final cause of
death is pending further examination. So after that, there has
(01:16):
been no official information coming from the police department.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And let's let's not let's be clear why this was
such a story, certainly in this area, but also a
national story. This is a young woman, thirty three, Martha Nolan,
who ran in certain circles in Montak. She had a
high end what kind of line do you call it?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Swimwear is like a resort weear. She had swimwear, resort wear, sunglasses.
It was called East by East.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So we're talking about Montalk is toidy and toyity as
you can get right. It's a nice area out the
end of the Hampens. This thirty three year old woman
just doesn't drop dead, generally speaking. So she some weird
circumstances about who she's with and all this. Fine, we're
going to rehash some of that, but robes what we're saying.
(02:06):
They told us August fifth, during that update they kind
of gave themselves some time, you know what, We got
a way for the official autopsy toxicology to come back
should be three months. How many has it been?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Five?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Five months and one day?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And when what update did they give us about when
that's coming zero okay?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Nothing nata.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So the mystery has become more of a mystery, the
mystery robes. For me at least, it start to feel
like something else is going on when a police department
won't say a word and all, I don't want to
say they're burying No, but this is a high profile
case of a woman who just does the answers.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Somebody needs answers, yes, and her photo you remember, in
those first few days and weeks were everywhere from and
internationally speaking, because she is from Ireland, so her family
is there. There was obviously a lot of interest here
in New York and in the United States, but also
across the pond, and so there has been a tremendous
(03:07):
amount of media pressure on the police department to give
some answers. In fact, so much so that Martha Nolan's
own family has conducted their own autopsy. They have their
own attorneys, they have a private investigator looking into what
may have happened. Can you imagine being her mother, her father,
her brother, her boyfriend, her sister. They all spoke at
(03:30):
her funeral, and they don't know how or why Martha died.
And they don't know who to be angry at or
with who to even blame or point the finger at,
because we don't even know if police are considering any
suspects at this point, tell us officially, we do not
know that.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I haven't ever heard them say suspicious death. I haven't
heard anything. And so Robes, now, let's go back to
that night August, the night of August fifth.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It was the night of August fourth, going into August fifth.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
We just happened to be in Montalk at the time.
We were taking some time with the kids. We were
there hanging out. Of course, we get up and this
news is everywhere that day. Robes. The first thing was
the concern of wait a minute, is there a killer
on the loose. They didn't. They never said they had
a suspect. But now Robes go into what we now
(04:24):
know about what her evening was. And this is where
it just gets weirder and weirder.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, because we actually got a very specific account from
the attorney representing the man who was with Martha Nolan.
We heard when we were in Montalk and in the
weeks following all of these rumors and whispers about the
boat she was on, the man she was with, there
was a naked man running up and down the dock.
All of these rumors and talk and speculation, But when
(04:54):
his attorney actually sat down and spoke with a media outlet,
he named him sixty years rolled Christopher Dernan. He was
on the boat with her that night, and truly he
is the only one who really knows, or is the
only one who could possibly know, what happened to her.
And so when we heard from his attorney, he kind
(05:15):
of set the timeline about what happened. He said that
they met for a business meeting. He was her investor,
one of her big investors in her company. They were
looking to expand they needed some money, and he said
his client said, hey, yeah, let's meet and have a
business meeting. It was supposed to be at four pm.
It got pushed back to seven thirty pm. They started
out on one of his boats and took a spin around.
(05:38):
He said they were talking business, but they were enjoying
themselves as well, and some people who recalled seeing them
said they had some champagne and they seemed to just
be having some fun out on the boat. They came
back and switched over to his second boat, the Ripple,
around nine to thirty pm, And this is what the
attorney said happened. About one hour or an hour and
(06:00):
a half later, between ten thirty or eleven, he said
his client looked at Martha and she just suddenly went limp.
Those were his words, And he said that his client
thought Martha was having a heart attack, that he tried
to perform CPR, but that quote, she was gone almost immediately.
(06:21):
She was non responsive end quote.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I guess that's possible, unlikely, but possible. This could be
one of those instances robes. Okay, fine, if I accept
all that, take me to the next part of this story.
How did he get from seeing her go limp gone
to him running down the dock naked, throwing items trying
(06:46):
to get other people's attention.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That is a big question mark, isn't it? And so
here are the two issues with that. According to the
attorney's timeline, there was an hour that we don't know
what happened, because if she went between ten thirty and eleven,
it wasn't until midnight that he was seen running up
and down the dock, And it wasn't until two people
(07:08):
who were in a neighboring boat came over. They saw
him running naked, and they said they performed CPR on her,
and they were the ones who called nine one one,
not mister Durnant. Mister Durnan. In terms of him being naked,
his attorney says that he had been soaked with Martha's
vomit and that's why he stripped off his clothes before
(07:32):
running from the boat, because they had been soaked with
Martha's vomit.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Are you buying that?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But I'm okay, Yes. What I'm going to say is
I'm going to take you at your word. But now
I need to piece this together. So tell me. How
do I understand? So she went limp and died and
was gone, and then she vomited unclear, So she if
she vomited ahead of time, you knew that something was
wrong and she was ill, So that wasn't just a
(07:59):
falling limp situation. I do not want to pretend that
I would know how I would react in an emergency
situation if somebody right in front of you is having
a medical emergency. I just suspect I wouldn't behave in
that manner. The first and foremost, get her help. Nine
to one one. I got a problem. I'm screaming, anybody
please help me. I don't get what his story. I
(08:24):
don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
It doesn't make a good way to put it a
lot versus any.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
There are a lot of holes in the story, and
we can only go by the only thing we can
go by is what his attorney told New York magazine,
and that is it. And so once that article was
put out, I think a lot of people were even
more confused. And here is this is just my two cents.
We were told, and we know from experience that it
(08:52):
does take a couple months for toxicology reports to come back,
for an autopsy to come back, especially in a suspicious
or potentially suspicious death. When you have a thirty three
year old who's otherwise healthy who drops dead, it's suspicious, correct,
and you just have to figure out what may be
the cause. The fact that more than five months have
gone by now and we don't even know cause of death.
(09:13):
We haven't heard any word about the autopsy or toxicology reports.
If they came back conclusive with something, you would think
we would have been told that, and it would put
the story to rest, It would put the speculation to rest.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It would give some peace to.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The family to say, hey, there were drugs in our system,
there was something lethal in her system, there was something
to explain what happened. It would seem to me that
by not having any information, they're still looking to put
something together to figure out what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Okay, So are we in agreement that because they haven't
confirmed whether or not we have toxicology results? Have they?
So the one they told us we were waiting three
months on, we're still waiting on that one.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And we know that the family had their own actual
toxicology and autopsy done, and there are reports, these are
reports that they said there there was nothing in her
system that would have killed her. There might have been
trace amounts of cocaine that could have been left over
from a couple of days, but nothing that would have
suggested it was a lethal dose, a fatal amount. So
(10:25):
anything that their findings showed did not answer the question
as to.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
How she was violence find violence, no violence?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
How did this woman die? How does she just drop dead?
And every one of these I find a way. I
get this Brian Walls trial, but sudden unexplained death was
his defense in that case. Is it possible?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I mean, what it's possible?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But then I just have a hard time with the
naked man, the hour gap, the vomit, the vomit, he
didn't call nine one one.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
There are a lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Look, it could have been that something else happened, he
got scared, he was afraid to call nine one. There
are plenty of plausible explanations that didn't mean or don't
mean he did anything to her. Yes, yes, yes, but
what the story is right now, with the information we
have right now, it really doesn't add up.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I just knew we'd have answers before now on such
a high profile case, I keep saying to you, the
longer it goes, the more suspicious I get, not just
of the circumstances, but of the community and what's going
on there to where it seems like somebody being protected,
is something else happening. I'm sorry to say that out loud,
(11:39):
but when you're not giving any information, you leave us
all to fill in the blanks. Perfectly good press releases
to say we have no further findings, nothing to say
at this time. We are still waiting on toxicology.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Correct, just an update of some kind.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The other big question mark, and really, attorneys tell their
clients not to but an attorney who speaks for his
client also can be I would imagine equally problematic. And
he got caught in a little didn't know what to
say when the reporter he was speaking to asked him
and followed up when the attorney told the reporter that
(12:16):
his client, mister Drnan and Martha actually dated. He said
that he had met her family in Ireland. The family
denies ever meeting this man, so that's concerning that. His
attorney told a reporter, Yeah, he's even met her family
in Ireland.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
When the reporter started pushing.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Back, they said that he walked back his comments and
then basically just left it with oh, well, mister Dernan
loved her as a friend. They kept pushing did he
have a romantic relationship with Martha? Did he have a
sexual relationship with Martha? And that's when he said he
wasn't interested in sharing anything like that. Whether it's an
absolute no or an absolute yes, I don't think he
(12:56):
thinks it's fair to her memory. Now, Martha wasn't a
committed relationship us with the boyfriend at the time who
she was texting in the like an hour before she
was found dead. Her friends were actually teasing her because
she wasn't answering this group text. She was texting her boyfriend.
She said, Lol, I'm still here. I just had my
phone turned off. That was her last text.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Okay, you will see our point now that the attorney
added to the mystery, but added to the frustration of
this story. That is an awful answer. I don't know
the guy at all, maybe wonderful and had a bad moment,
but to say that, well, it's not an absolute yes
or an absolute no to a direct question about whether
(13:41):
or not there was a sexual, a physical, a romantic
relationship of any kind. Rose, What is that answer? Is
it just I don't know and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He was suggesting there was, but he didn't want to
say it because Martha wasn't a committed relationship exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, all right, folks, well stay here. The story continues,
but when we come back, we'll hear or we'll talk
more about Martha's family, her side, what they're going through,
what they have said, and what they are doing now
to try to get answered.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,
where we are going through trying to update some of
the mysteries of last year. We're now in twenty twenty six,
and it is remarkable to us that we don't have
answers to several pressing mysterious crime stories I should say
(14:45):
potential crime stories when it comes to Martha Nolan, because
we don't know that a crime has been committed, but
certainly it has been suggested that that is among the
possibilities of how a thirty three year old healthy woman
who was fine one moment and dead the next, how
did that happen? And police have had this case for
(15:08):
five months and one day as of this recording, and
still we know nothing more. Our only fill in the
blanks with information is some of the information we got
from her friends, from her boyfriend, from the man's attorney
who she was on a boat with, and some of
the folks who were at the marina at the yacht
(15:28):
club that evening.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But it's none of it adds up and none of
it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You know what it would have helped? Probably how much
is it hurting the investigation that her family isn't in
the United States, Because we have seen families demand answers.
They will get in front of any camera and scream
and yell and hoot and holler and demand that the
police say something. They're at a distance, they're not answering,
they don't see, they're not the family isn't in the
police department's face every day kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And yes, to your point, they don't even really know
American law. And that is why an attorney, he's said
he's representing them, and he's doing it pro bono because
literally almost to guide them through the US I don't
want to say justice system, but at least the process
by which police conduct their investigation.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So he's been.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Trying to guide them. But when when mister Durnan's attorneys spoke,
their attorney then also spoke afterwards, because they were then
all being asked to comment on Christopher Durnin's attorney's comments.
So after that article New York, the New York criminal
defense attorney who's representing the Nolan family said this about
(16:35):
mister Durnan. Obviously he is a primary person that's being
looked at because that's just common sense. He said, no
one is positive right now about this one hour gap
in his account. So he did note that he also said,
as far as we know, he was the only one there.
So primarily the police are trying to look at what
(16:57):
he was doing. And yes, five months now, this is
another interesting thing. He followed up with this, and I
do think maybe this is just to make sure you
don't piss off the investigators or piss off the police department.
He said, I will tell you, we are very pleased
with the Suffolk County District Attorney's office.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
They are very focused on this.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So that gave me a little hope that maybe they
know more about where this investigation is headed than we know.
I would hope that they would know more than we know,
but that's not necessarily the way police departments or DA
departments work. They don't necessarily fill in the victim's family.
In fact, that's an complaint that comes up all the
(17:40):
time that they're left out, they don't know, and they're
left in the dark.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And like you said, on the other side of the ocean,
you know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Five months to think, I don't think they're sitting around
right and waiting for the toxicology before. There's other investigative
things that have gone on, but this is a five
month investigation now and there's one witness.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And that's it, which is just I just got chills
thinking about that, because what do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
How do you prove something that.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Might be not provable or not knowable if the person
who does know doesn't want to speak, or if the
person who could know doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I mean, we don't know what that's true. He's not
a criminal, No, he is not.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He might be justice baffled.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yep, that is true, but it's just one of those
cases robes that until we get answers. Yeah, the theories
are going to run.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Wild, absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And this is the thing I wanted to leave everyone
one with because we talk about these stories and they
are fascinating and we do want answers, but it's always
good to just remember that there is a family grieving.
And the Nolan's family attorney said this, and this really
hit me. My heart breaks from that for them, they're
from another country. This is the Christmas time of year,
(18:58):
this is the time when Martha would be going going
home and celebrating in Ireland with all of her family,
and you know, they're devastated about this, and not having
any answers is very, very frustrating and upsetting. And I
just that hit me because we're baffled, but we don't
have the emotional connection. These folks are devastated and this
(19:21):
was their first Christmas without Martha. This was the time
of year she came home and she was with her
family in Ireland and it didn't happen this year, and
it's never going to happen again, and they deserve answers.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, folks. Yesterday we were talking about the other big
story from last year that's still a mystery, David Singer,
David body found in the trunk of his car. Still
waiting on answers from that. This was one rogue we've
been following. This is one every single morning we check
in about Martha Nolan. We think about this woman every
(19:56):
day and we google her every single day, waiting for
some answers. Anna Kepner, we will be doing a podcast
an episode giving you the very latest there. Young lady
died on the Carnival cruise and then Travis Turner still missing,
coach disappeared, undefeated team was playing football in Virginia right
(20:20):
still has not been heard from after he's become a
wanted man on some child born charges. This is These
are fascinating cases that we thought we would I didn't
I thought they'd find the coach for sure, this is
not this episode. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking about it,
but yeah, yeah, Martha Nolan, it is something about it too.
We were there and we saw how that community was
(20:41):
suffering and nervous and scared and kids and up and
down the street and parents. Everybody was buzzing and whispering
about that thing and wondering if anybody else was in danger,
and to think, here we are. People still don't know,
but it was it was good to remind everybody about
that family and what they're going through. This is not
just a hot headlines. Yeah, bright we talked. Everybody likes
(21:03):
true crime and watches true crime, but yeah, there's a
family the center of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And we did feel connected and I think we always
will feel connected to this case just because of where
we were at the time it happened. And we will
continue to follow the story and follow up with the
story and definitely keep you all updated. We're not going
to let this one go. Uh, And so we appreciate
you listening to us as always.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Thank you. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Holmes.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We will talk to you soon.
Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, January sixth. We have
an update on the murder mystery in Montak. The update is, well,
we still really don't know if it's a murder or not.
Saying with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
Rose will be calling it up all right, right, it
goes with a literation, right good headline murder mystery in Montak.
(00:23):
We were talking about a death that took place last August.
Do we know much more now about Martha Nolan's death
than we did last August?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The short answer is no, And when I follow up
with this next bit of information, it actually is shocking
even as I say it. She was found just after
midnight on August fifth. August fifth is the last official
update we've gotten from police. That is when they announced
(00:54):
at the end of that day that the autopsy did
not show any evidence or at least their initial findings
did not sho show any evidence of violence, and that
her final cause of death is pending further examination. That
is what they said. The review of the body did
not show evidence of violence and her final cause of
death is pending further examination. So after that, there has
(01:16):
been no official information coming from the police department.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And let's let's not let's be clear why this was
such a story, certainly in this area, but also a
national story. This is a young woman, thirty three, Martha Nolan,
who ran in certain circles in Montak. She had a
high end what kind of line do you call it?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Swimwear is like a resort weear. She had swimwear, resort wear, sunglasses.
It was called East by East.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So we're talking about Montalk is toidy and toyity as
you can get right. It's a nice area out the
end of the Hampens. This thirty three year old woman
just doesn't drop dead, generally speaking. So she some weird
circumstances about who she's with and all this. Fine, we're
going to rehash some of that, but robes what we're saying.
(02:06):
They told us August fifth, during that update they kind
of gave themselves some time, you know what, We got
a way for the official autopsy toxicology to come back
should be three months. How many has it been?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Five?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Five months and one day?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And when what update did they give us about when
that's coming zero okay?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Nothing nata.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So the mystery has become more of a mystery, the
mystery robes. For me at least, it start to feel
like something else is going on when a police department
won't say a word and all, I don't want to
say they're burying No, but this is a high profile
case of a woman who just does the answers.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Somebody needs answers, yes, and her photo you remember, in
those first few days and weeks were everywhere from and
internationally speaking, because she is from Ireland, so her family
is there. There was obviously a lot of interest here
in New York and in the United States, but also
across the pond, and so there has been a tremendous
(03:07):
amount of media pressure on the police department to give
some answers. In fact, so much so that Martha Nolan's
own family has conducted their own autopsy. They have their
own attorneys, they have a private investigator looking into what
may have happened. Can you imagine being her mother, her father,
her brother, her boyfriend, her sister. They all spoke at
(03:30):
her funeral, and they don't know how or why Martha died.
And they don't know who to be angry at or
with who to even blame or point the finger at,
because we don't even know if police are considering any
suspects at this point, tell us officially, we do not
know that.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I haven't ever heard them say suspicious death. I haven't
heard anything. And so Robes, now, let's go back to
that night August, the night of August fifth.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It was the night of August fourth, going into August fifth.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
We just happened to be in Montalk at the time.
We were taking some time with the kids. We were
there hanging out. Of course, we get up and this
news is everywhere that day. Robes. The first thing was
the concern of wait a minute, is there a killer
on the loose. They didn't. They never said they had
a suspect. But now Robes go into what we now
(04:24):
know about what her evening was. And this is where
it just gets weirder and weirder.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, because we actually got a very specific account from
the attorney representing the man who was with Martha Nolan.
We heard when we were in Montalk and in the
weeks following all of these rumors and whispers about the
boat she was on, the man she was with, there
was a naked man running up and down the dock.
All of these rumors and talk and speculation, But when
(04:54):
his attorney actually sat down and spoke with a media outlet,
he named him sixty years rolled Christopher Dernan. He was
on the boat with her that night, and truly he
is the only one who really knows, or is the
only one who could possibly know, what happened to her.
And so when we heard from his attorney, he kind
(05:15):
of set the timeline about what happened. He said that
they met for a business meeting. He was her investor,
one of her big investors in her company. They were
looking to expand they needed some money, and he said
his client said, hey, yeah, let's meet and have a
business meeting. It was supposed to be at four pm.
It got pushed back to seven thirty pm. They started
out on one of his boats and took a spin around.
(05:38):
He said they were talking business, but they were enjoying
themselves as well, and some people who recalled seeing them
said they had some champagne and they seemed to just
be having some fun out on the boat. They came
back and switched over to his second boat, the Ripple,
around nine to thirty pm, And this is what the
attorney said happened. About one hour or an hour and
(06:00):
a half later, between ten thirty or eleven, he said
his client looked at Martha and she just suddenly went limp.
Those were his words, And he said that his client
thought Martha was having a heart attack, that he tried
to perform CPR, but that quote, she was gone almost immediately.
(06:21):
She was non responsive end quote.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I guess that's possible, unlikely, but possible. This could be
one of those instances robes. Okay, fine, if I accept
all that, take me to the next part of this story.
How did he get from seeing her go limp gone
to him running down the dock naked, throwing items trying
(06:46):
to get other people's attention.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That is a big question mark, isn't it? And so
here are the two issues with that. According to the
attorney's timeline, there was an hour that we don't know
what happened, because if she went between ten thirty and eleven,
it wasn't until midnight that he was seen running up
and down the dock, And it wasn't until two people
(07:08):
who were in a neighboring boat came over. They saw
him running naked, and they said they performed CPR on her,
and they were the ones who called nine one one,
not mister Durnant. Mister Durnan. In terms of him being naked,
his attorney says that he had been soaked with Martha's
vomit and that's why he stripped off his clothes before
(07:32):
running from the boat, because they had been soaked with
Martha's vomit.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Are you buying that?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But I'm okay, Yes. What I'm going to say is
I'm going to take you at your word. But now
I need to piece this together. So tell me. How
do I understand? So she went limp and died and
was gone, and then she vomited unclear, So she if
she vomited ahead of time, you knew that something was
wrong and she was ill, So that wasn't just a
(07:59):
falling limp situation. I do not want to pretend that
I would know how I would react in an emergency
situation if somebody right in front of you is having
a medical emergency. I just suspect I wouldn't behave in
that manner. The first and foremost, get her help. Nine
to one one. I got a problem. I'm screaming, anybody
please help me. I don't get what his story. I
(08:24):
don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
It doesn't make a good way to put it a
lot versus any.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
There are a lot of holes in the story, and
we can only go by the only thing we can
go by is what his attorney told New York magazine,
and that is it. And so once that article was
put out, I think a lot of people were even
more confused. And here is this is just my two cents.
We were told, and we know from experience that it
(08:52):
does take a couple months for toxicology reports to come back,
for an autopsy to come back, especially in a suspicious
or potentially suspicious death. When you have a thirty three
year old who's otherwise healthy who drops dead, it's suspicious, correct,
and you just have to figure out what may be
the cause. The fact that more than five months have
gone by now and we don't even know cause of death.
(09:13):
We haven't heard any word about the autopsy or toxicology reports.
If they came back conclusive with something, you would think
we would have been told that, and it would put
the story to rest, It would put the speculation to rest.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It would give some peace to.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The family to say, hey, there were drugs in our system,
there was something lethal in her system, there was something
to explain what happened. It would seem to me that
by not having any information, they're still looking to put
something together to figure out what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Okay, So are we in agreement that because they haven't
confirmed whether or not we have toxicology results? Have they?
So the one they told us we were waiting three
months on, we're still waiting on that one.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And we know that the family had their own actual
toxicology and autopsy done, and there are reports, these are
reports that they said there there was nothing in her
system that would have killed her. There might have been
trace amounts of cocaine that could have been left over
from a couple of days, but nothing that would have
suggested it was a lethal dose, a fatal amount. So
(10:25):
anything that their findings showed did not answer the question
as to.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
How she was violence find violence, no violence?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
How did this woman die? How does she just drop dead?
And every one of these I find a way. I
get this Brian Walls trial, but sudden unexplained death was
his defense in that case. Is it possible?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I mean, what it's possible?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But then I just have a hard time with the
naked man, the hour gap, the vomit, the vomit, he
didn't call nine one one.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
There are a lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Look, it could have been that something else happened, he
got scared, he was afraid to call nine one. There
are plenty of plausible explanations that didn't mean or don't
mean he did anything to her. Yes, yes, yes, but
what the story is right now, with the information we
have right now, it really doesn't add up.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I just knew we'd have answers before now on such
a high profile case, I keep saying to you, the
longer it goes, the more suspicious I get, not just
of the circumstances, but of the community and what's going
on there to where it seems like somebody being protected,
is something else happening. I'm sorry to say that out loud,
(11:39):
but when you're not giving any information, you leave us
all to fill in the blanks. Perfectly good press releases
to say we have no further findings, nothing to say
at this time. We are still waiting on toxicology.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Correct, just an update of some kind.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The other big question mark, and really, attorneys tell their
clients not to but an attorney who speaks for his
client also can be I would imagine equally problematic. And
he got caught in a little didn't know what to
say when the reporter he was speaking to asked him
and followed up when the attorney told the reporter that
(12:16):
his client, mister Drnan and Martha actually dated. He said
that he had met her family in Ireland. The family
denies ever meeting this man, so that's concerning that. His
attorney told a reporter, Yeah, he's even met her family
in Ireland.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
When the reporter started pushing.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Back, they said that he walked back his comments and
then basically just left it with oh, well, mister Dernan
loved her as a friend. They kept pushing did he
have a romantic relationship with Martha? Did he have a
sexual relationship with Martha? And that's when he said he
wasn't interested in sharing anything like that. Whether it's an
absolute no or an absolute yes, I don't think he
(12:56):
thinks it's fair to her memory. Now, Martha wasn't a
committed relationship us with the boyfriend at the time who
she was texting in the like an hour before she
was found dead. Her friends were actually teasing her because
she wasn't answering this group text. She was texting her boyfriend.
She said, Lol, I'm still here. I just had my
phone turned off. That was her last text.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Okay, you will see our point now that the attorney
added to the mystery, but added to the frustration of
this story. That is an awful answer. I don't know
the guy at all, maybe wonderful and had a bad moment,
but to say that, well, it's not an absolute yes
or an absolute no to a direct question about whether
(13:41):
or not there was a sexual, a physical, a romantic
relationship of any kind. Rose, What is that answer? Is
it just I don't know and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He was suggesting there was, but he didn't want to
say it because Martha wasn't a committed relationship exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, all right, folks, well stay here. The story continues,
but when we come back, we'll hear or we'll talk
more about Martha's family, her side, what they're going through,
what they have said, and what they are doing now
to try to get answered.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,
where we are going through trying to update some of
the mysteries of last year. We're now in twenty twenty six,
and it is remarkable to us that we don't have
answers to several pressing mysterious crime stories I should say
(14:45):
potential crime stories when it comes to Martha Nolan, because
we don't know that a crime has been committed, but
certainly it has been suggested that that is among the
possibilities of how a thirty three year old healthy woman
who was fine one moment and dead the next, how
did that happen? And police have had this case for
(15:08):
five months and one day as of this recording, and
still we know nothing more. Our only fill in the
blanks with information is some of the information we got
from her friends, from her boyfriend, from the man's attorney
who she was on a boat with, and some of
the folks who were at the marina at the yacht
(15:28):
club that evening.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But it's none of it adds up and none of
it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You know what it would have helped? Probably how much
is it hurting the investigation that her family isn't in
the United States, Because we have seen families demand answers.
They will get in front of any camera and scream
and yell and hoot and holler and demand that the
police say something. They're at a distance, they're not answering,
they don't see, they're not the family isn't in the
police department's face every day kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And yes, to your point, they don't even really know
American law. And that is why an attorney, he's said
he's representing them, and he's doing it pro bono because
literally almost to guide them through the US I don't
want to say justice system, but at least the process
by which police conduct their investigation.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So he's been.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Trying to guide them. But when when mister Durnan's attorneys spoke,
their attorney then also spoke afterwards, because they were then
all being asked to comment on Christopher Durnin's attorney's comments.
So after that article New York, the New York criminal
defense attorney who's representing the Nolan family said this about
(16:35):
mister Durnan. Obviously he is a primary person that's being
looked at because that's just common sense. He said, no
one is positive right now about this one hour gap
in his account. So he did note that he also said,
as far as we know, he was the only one there.
So primarily the police are trying to look at what
(16:57):
he was doing. And yes, five months now, this is
another interesting thing. He followed up with this, and I
do think maybe this is just to make sure you
don't piss off the investigators or piss off the police department.
He said, I will tell you, we are very pleased
with the Suffolk County District Attorney's office.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
They are very focused on this.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So that gave me a little hope that maybe they
know more about where this investigation is headed than we know.
I would hope that they would know more than we know,
but that's not necessarily the way police departments or DA
departments work. They don't necessarily fill in the victim's family.
In fact, that's an complaint that comes up all the
(17:40):
time that they're left out, they don't know, and they're
left in the dark.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And like you said, on the other side of the ocean,
you know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Five months to think, I don't think they're sitting around
right and waiting for the toxicology before. There's other investigative
things that have gone on, but this is a five
month investigation now and there's one witness.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And that's it, which is just I just got chills
thinking about that, because what do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
How do you prove something that.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Might be not provable or not knowable if the person
who does know doesn't want to speak, or if the
person who could know doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I mean, we don't know what that's true. He's not
a criminal, No, he is not.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He might be justice baffled.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yep, that is true, but it's just one of those
cases robes that until we get answers. Yeah, the theories
are going to run.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Wild, absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And this is the thing I wanted to leave everyone
one with because we talk about these stories and they
are fascinating and we do want answers, but it's always
good to just remember that there is a family grieving.
And the Nolan's family attorney said this, and this really
hit me. My heart breaks from that for them, they're
from another country. This is the Christmas time of year,
(18:58):
this is the time when Martha would be going going
home and celebrating in Ireland with all of her family,
and you know, they're devastated about this, and not having
any answers is very, very frustrating and upsetting. And I
just that hit me because we're baffled, but we don't
have the emotional connection. These folks are devastated and this
(19:21):
was their first Christmas without Martha. This was the time
of year she came home and she was with her
family in Ireland and it didn't happen this year, and
it's never going to happen again, and they deserve answers.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, folks. Yesterday we were talking about the other big
story from last year that's still a mystery, David Singer,
David body found in the trunk of his car. Still
waiting on answers from that. This was one rogue we've
been following. This is one every single morning we check
in about Martha Nolan. We think about this woman every
(19:56):
day and we google her every single day, waiting for
some answers. Anna Kepner, we will be doing a podcast
an episode giving you the very latest there. Young lady
died on the Carnival cruise and then Travis Turner still missing,
coach disappeared, undefeated team was playing football in Virginia right
(20:20):
still has not been heard from after he's become a
wanted man on some child born charges. This is These
are fascinating cases that we thought we would I didn't
I thought they'd find the coach for sure, this is
not this episode. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking about it,
but yeah, yeah, Martha Nolan, it is something about it too.
We were there and we saw how that community was
(20:41):
suffering and nervous and scared and kids and up and
down the street and parents. Everybody was buzzing and whispering
about that thing and wondering if anybody else was in danger,
and to think, here we are. People still don't know,
but it was it was good to remind everybody about
that family and what they're going through. This is not
just a hot headlines. Yeah, bright we talked. Everybody likes
(21:03):
true crime and watches true crime, but yeah, there's a
family the center of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And we did feel connected and I think we always
will feel connected to this case just because of where
we were at the time it happened. And we will
continue to follow the story and follow up with the
story and definitely keep you all updated. We're not going
to let this one go. Uh, And so we appreciate
you listening to us as always.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Thank you. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Holmes.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We will talk to you soon.
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