July 21, 2022 • 45 mins
The first season of Real Time Crime comes to a close with a collection of truly bizarre stories including; a woman who posed as a nurse in an attempt to steal a baby, another that awoke from a two year coma and immediately identified her brother as her attacker and a man that tested the limits of chivalry.Plus today's main story focuses on the 50 year old cold case of D.B. Cooper and the new Netflix feature surrounding it.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Real
Time Crime. I'm your host Lee Lamar and my little
social Sure already, that's enough love that for me. I've
been on my ask for a week with some mystery illness,
which is really a true crime that we should be exploring.
(00:27):
But my little social studies. Who do I have with
me here today? But my friend, oh, my my real friend. Wow,
all right, I mean listen, this is the definition of progress.
My Real Time Crime friend Dmitri was gonna be honest,
(00:49):
was one of some of the best of my life. Okay,
for a second, I know, and no one can see Dmitri,
But um, Dmitri looks like he's wearing earrings from that
would have been cool if you bought them at Hot
Topic in But they're actually does earphones anymore? Oh? I
mean never mind, huh huh um. Look, look, we don't
(01:11):
judge here at Real Time Crime, Dumitry. We let you
be you. I get my accessories where I get them,
and that's nobody else's business. I also want to say
I got a lot of messages from people being like, wait,
you have a boyfriend, and I'm like, yeah, how did
you find out? On the podcast. That's what a podcast does.
It informs people of things. Do you mean what you mean?
(01:34):
Friends of yours? Yeah, friends who haven't like chatted with
in a while. Um, so, friends who haven't chatting with
a while. I'm sorry that I should have send out
a carrier bridge into everyone because it is not like
public public. It's public, but it's not. I haven't like
posted aggressively about him on social media, and that's because
(01:55):
my friends I posted on him, posted on him. I
posted about him like twice of my story and lost
like two thousand followers. It's like, I just met this guy,
you know, but I've had my Instagram following for a
way longer. So who am I going to be loyal to? I? Oh,
I hope he's not listening, kidding very much in love
(02:17):
with him? WHOA, there's a Can I have that as
a social club? Yeah, I'm I'm going in London next week,
so we'll be together again, and I'm sure you'll I'm
sure you'll get some since we're all social suits here,
you will be able to piece together where I am
and who I'm with on my social media. Yes, And
(02:40):
I think that the people that benefit the hierarchy of
benefiting from this relationship are obviously you and Adam. Then
I think me because I'm really enjoying it. And then
I think I gotta tip the cap to UM the
Um the comedy clubs in London because you're going out.
You're there, aren't you? I am, I'm I'm performing there.
(03:04):
I'm performing my hour there, and then I'm going to
Edinburgh and performing my hour there. They're really excited about it. Um.
But also, let me just say something about healthcare in America.
I'm talking about a real time crime because we just
made a crazy turn. No no, no, no, no, no.
(03:25):
I just want to say this. I have been very
sick for the last week. Like my favorite went all
the way to a hundred and three. I felt like
I was going through menopause. I got like an early
glimpse into it. I was like, I'm having hot flashes,
like no, I'm hot, no cool, No, I'm hot, swatch
it on, swatch it off, swatch you itr off. No no, no,
(03:47):
I'm not ready for that life. That's number one. Number two. UM.
I want to thank everyone on social media reached out
to me that literally hundreds of people were like, I
hope you're feeling okay. Also, f you to all the
people who told me that they thought I had monkey pox.
That's so annoying, Like, don't put that out there, don't
put that energy out there. I never had monkey pox.
(04:07):
I was never going to have monkey pox. Well, knock
on wood, I saw that you posted in your story.
You said, guys, I don't have monkey pox. Stopped suggesting that.
So to me, that was, you know, open season on
texting you and be like, how's the monkey pox? Very
way right? But see the thing is that I don't
seem cool enough to have been to an orgy in Europe.
(04:28):
What come on, You're going to Europe all the time.
Oh my god, you're right, Oh my god, I am.
Try some food in the European orgies totally. I mean,
I just want to say this. I went to an
urgent care and the doctor came out and flip flops
and I was like, oh, it can't be good. That
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was here and in the US, just around the corner,
and I was like, yeah, I gotta get I gotta
I gotta leave. I can't I can't trust this man's opinion.
He's wearing flip flops at work. Yeah, you're not allowed
to wear open toed shoes at a restaurant, let alone,
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at at a at an urgent care. You know. He's like,
once I figure out what's wrong with you, I'm heading
over to a barbecue, So just move this along. Hey yeah, yeah,
all right, Well you guys, I don't know why I
made that noise, and I'm very sorry. I think it's
time for us jump into our hot topics for today,
because I am burning. It's not hot flashes and hot topics.
(05:38):
I'm honestly love about shaking my sutter off. It doesn't end,
it hasn't ended, it's just ending. Well, you sound good,
Like last week you told me after that you were sick. Yeah,
but I gotta be honest, you were seemed pretty dialed in.
You didn't sound of This is my curse and my gift.
So anytime I'm like really sick and I'm going I'm
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at the e er and I'm like, I was so
much pain, I can't stop, Like I just crack jokes
because that's who I am as a person, and so
they think I'm fine, I'm like, no, no, this is
my personality. Like I just I'm not okay, you know. Um,
so I really, I really struggle and I pushed through um,
(06:21):
even severe illness, which this is not a good thing.
This is just like I was taught to never take
a break. I was thought you must fight through even
extreme illness, um and never take time for self care.
So anyway, I'm working on that. But moral of a
story is I am getting better. Did you hear that
heavy swell? Okay, guys, but you know who's not getting better? Okay.
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A California woman allegedly impersonated a nurse in order to
abduct a newborn from a hospital room. Oh so, she
was charged with a felony kidnapping after allegedly trying to
abduct a newborn baby from a patient's room. According to
a Riverside Conney sheriff, this twenty three year old woman,
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Ms Moron, pretended to be a newly hired nurse. She
gained access to a medical unit where newborn infants were present.
The suspect allegedly entered a patient's hospital room and identified
herself as a nurse. While inside the patient's room, she
attempted to take their newborn infant. She was confronted by
hospital staff, who then notified authorities. Uron fled the scene
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without the newborn. Investigators tracked her down in Marina Valley,
where she was rested and booked. Um, first of all,
if she could just meander her way into a medical
unit where newborns are present, there's an issue with the hospital.
I feel like she's just like a secret shopper, you know,
She's like, hey, I'm just gonna let you know where
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all your security flowers. Flaws are number one, the newborn sector.
And a buddy who did that one time he stole
from a store and he tried to return. He tried
to return the item and when they busted and he goes,
let me tell you why I did that. I'm a
documentary filmmaker and I was testing the things to see
how these stories handle these things. And you guys did good.
(08:11):
You have a good system in place. They're like, yeah,
not buying it, so and how yeah it's fine. He
rebounded better life now. Um, but the balls to go
into a hospital and like just be like I'm gonna
take someone's newborn baby. I'm gonna dress up as a nurse,
take a baby and walk out like obviously not all there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(08:40):
I also think it's just like this is a Netflix
movie in the making, you know what I mean, maybe
that oh yeah, she's doing research for a Netflix movie.
I just feel this is this seems like one of
those things that you see that's not really real. It's
like a the infamous baby apper when from hospital to
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hospital stealing only the most special child bo Celsius on
at midnight on you know what I mean, Like, this
is just why would you want to steal a baby?
They're so annoying that you have to do, you have
to care so much, like you got a feed that
like did she just have a child? Does she a
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wet nurse? Because if not, she better have a lot
of formula and there's a formula shortage, so like that's expensive.
I don't know what she wants to do with this baby,
but it's a huge responsibility. I mean, it's like you're
stealing a responsibility that who steals jobs. Like most twenty
three year old you're trying not to get pregnant to
have a baby, and this one is going to take
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a baby. Listen, it's funny, it's not. I'm glad the
reason we're joking about it. She didn't get away with it,
the baby, but It's like that's crazy, Like, you're right though,
why why is she stealing responsibilities? Also, like I'm sorry
if I'm giving birth and people could just walk in
and out of the room. Too many people are seeing
my vagina more than usual, guards standing out, someone's a
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little lofty on her on her self image of her. Uh.
I just think you gotta I mean, if you want
to come watch the show, you gotta pay a ticket.
Like at least we're twenty five dollars, Like, hey, the
cost of admission you can come on in. Is there
a too drink minimum? Oh, there's a I mean, you
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gotta your drink. Um. So I had four kids, right,
and so the hospital that I was at is very
like they have like a little baby low jack system. Right,
so if you were if the baby got too close
to the front door of the hospital or something like that,
it would set off alarm. So I this sounds so
just walked in in person in a nurse almost got
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away with it. Like that sounds pretty like. I think
they need to update what they're doing there and be
on a better alert. Yeah, it sounds like a wackass hospital.
By the way, back to women, women be on alert
don't have your baby there. Don't go to this hospital
and have your baby there unless you want your baby
to get possibly stolen. I don't know if there's a
yelp for hospitals, but I would look into that also.
(11:18):
I feel like this is like a cool reality show,
like got you. We weren't really trying to steal your baby.
Ha ha. I'm a cure fucked nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me.
But you know, go back to the balls of going
into a hospital, dressing as a nurse or a doctor,
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and then trying what it means the method actress we
find out later it's like Nolly a Portman. She's like,
I just really wanted to know what it would feel
like to pretend that I was going to steal a baby.
You know, you know when you go to the grocery
store and you have to say you have to use
the bathroom, like you have to go back into like
where the employees are where, like that's where the bathroom is.
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I feel so nervous if I have to do that,
because I'm just like head down and you walk back
where you're allowed to go. But it makes me so
nervous to think that I'm walking back where I'm not
supposed to normally be. So I don't know, man, Like
my heart would be racing to walk into a hospital
dressed as a doctor or a nurse and start doing ship.
But I guess that's why crazy people are crazy people.
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You know what's so funny is that your heart races
when you're literally going to the bathroom in the most
low stakes possible situation ever. Yeah, I mean, listen, I
never I never claimed to be a mastermind a criminal.
But also, Tom Dream, sorry, where are you? Because you're
not in your regular place today. I am not. I am.
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I'm up at the lake on vacation. I'm on a
family vacation. But you know what, crime never sleeps oh boy,
And speaking of crime never sleeping, neither to our stories
about crim Okay, so is this one of those feverite spikes?
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Can you guys open the window and here? Okay, there's
no Yeah. I feel like you've been in a coma
and you're now just starting to come out of it.
Speaking of being in a coma, Hey, hey, hey, we're
skipping ahead, sir. Oh sorry, that was the one I
was excited about. Okay, go into it, go into it. No, no,
because this next one is ridiculous, and this actually gets
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me fired up. This one literally no puns. Speaking of
being fired up, a Connecticut man pulls gun on woman
who didn't thank him for holding the door. Honestly, should
that should this? Does that? Thank you? Should have? And
this is something that actually used to bother me a lot,
because I am I'm a gentleman. Okay, I will hold
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the door for people. I will let people whatever it is,
order first, whatever the thing that you can do. That's
that's chivalrous. I do that, and you did. Used to
bother me when I would hold the door and someone
would walk through like I was. It was, you know,
like I'm supposed to be holding that for them or
like they have. All it takes is a simple thank you.
Did I ever get to the point where I thought
I should pull a gun on someone for not saying
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thank you? No. I think that's part of the the
way the world is spiraling out of control right now. Yeah. No,
I think it's just two words, thank you, show some gratitude, bitch,
you know, or you're gonna learn the hard way. No,
I mean this is, you know, like, where's your manners?
Said Joshua Murray of New Haven was that family dollar
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store on Saturday afternoon when he became incensed over the
impolite act. Mm hmm. So basically that's all that happened.
And Murray alleged the whipped out of pistol during the encounter,
fled and then was picked up. So so not only
did he pull out the pull out the pistol to
be like, yo, where's my thank you? I mean holding
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the door is a lot of f I mean that
burns what like point two five calories, takes a lot
of strength. He he then fled the scene because he
was like, oh, I pulled out a gun. And then
he got picked up by officers. And when they opened
the car door for him, did he say thank you?
(15:20):
Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you know what.
That would have been fantastic if he didn't thanks guys.
I appreciate that. It's very nice. As he gets into
the cop car, I think he's in there like pushing
his head down. Yeah, and then the jail cell um it.
It's it's frustrating when when people don't say thank you
for for doing little things because there's an air of righteousness.
Um again, I think the gun is probably a tadbit
(15:40):
too far. I'm luckily it was just that and it
didn't go further than that. But you know, also on
him the guys at the family dollar store looking for
polite people like, probably not, it's not. I don't think
that's high on the list. All right, just thought, you know,
I feel like there are a lot of ways that
in modern society you just pull a gun on someone.
You know. It's like, if I'm on a first date
(16:01):
and he asked to split the bill, just pull him
the gun. I see. Uh who Yeah, Well, the truth
is things are spiraling out of control. I speaking at
first date. I saw a story that a woman is
suing a guy ten tho dollars for standing her up
on a date. How does that even happen? Well, because
(16:21):
it costs eight thousand just to laser everything beneath her eyebrows. Sorry,
then her clothes cost a thousand, I'm sure, and then
from makeup and mhmm you just no, no, not from experience,
you're just guessing. No, I don't shave, but um, yeah, definitely,
(16:45):
I understand it takes a lot of money to get
ready for date. Did she take a private jet to
go see him that he said he was going to
pay for and he didn't pay her back. We don't
have all the information, Dmitri. Is that the tenders on there?
I mean maybe, but this is where we're going, Right,
someone doesn't stand you up on a date, you feel
entitled to sue them. Right, you hold the door for someone,
which is your choice, and they don't say thank you.
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That does not mean okay, not well, and now I
should scare the ship out of them or pull a
gun on them or whatever it may be. Like it,
I don't know. I I it does frustrate me without
without the thank you, but I don't think, well, you know,
it's giving with an expectation like this is the same
thing where everything in life becomes transactional or that you're
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expecting something in return. Maybe he just really needed that
thank you. I don't know, but and probably other stuff
going on, right, but with with not to go heavy
on this, but with gun violence the way it is
now and everyone being like Second Amendment, everyone has the
right to have a gun, not if that's what you're
doing with it. Yeah, bringing us back home, So um,
(17:56):
I just I go on these tangents that take us
all of the strass heard and you're like, yeah, but
what about reality? Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry back to the
eight thousand dollar lazery. Go I'm sorry you're the one
who brought up that story. Um, that's number one, number two.
You know, I don't think that. Yeah, I'm actually I'm done.
(18:21):
I'm complete. But this is why I like talking to you,
because every time I think this is this is an
open and shotcase. This is obvious, like why would someone
do that? You're like, no, I get it. Pull a
gun if you know, if he tries to steal some
of your fries, like yeah, like did he mistake her
for someone that might have had his money? You know
what I mean. It's like you never know. M I
(18:41):
think you would make a great defense attorney because you
really start on the side of the criminal most times,
especially if you could find a niche where you like
a defense attorney but only for like hot criminals, like
hot guy criminals. I think that would be like visits
with all of my clients there it is, it's actually
and it's win win, so whin win for everyone except
(19:03):
for me because my therapy bill. Okay you guys speaking
of therapy bills, Well, yeah, you feel like you've been sick.
I know, you feel like you've been in a coma
for a while and now maybe you're just waken up
from it. A West Virginia woman woke up from a
two year coma and identified her brother as the attacker
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who nearly killed her. Police say they found the fifty
one year old Wanda Palmer when a name in an
upright position on her couch with severe injuries caused by
what appeared to be a hatchet or axe. Her brother
was suspected after witness saw him at the scene the
night had happened, but police didn't have enough evidence to
make an arrest. After two years in a coma, the
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victim is now coherent but unable to hold full length conversations.
When she woke up at the long term care facility,
authorities asked her what she remembered about the night she
was attacked. She said her brother did it because, quote,
he was mean, relatable, My sisters really mean to me,
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and like I think if she had an ax, that
would have been her weapon of choice. When I was
a kid, I was like three, and she literally drove
over me with her bicycle, which is basically like a
lot of little axes that that. Yeah, I mean, that's
there's a lot to unpack there. Um, I have a
podcast about true crime, so um, what does she do?
(20:32):
Tricks and real estate? She are you guys okay? Or
do she still mean to you? Well, she's alive, We're
not really close. That wasn't clear. It sounds like next question.
Um okay, So okay, not a lot for not a
lot for the cops to uh to get the brother
one right, he was seen at the fit, he was
seen there before and obviously we don't know all the
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details about what evidence was taken in all this not
enough to get them. Now her waking up two years later,
do you think is that enough to now charge this guy? Okay?
First of all, miracle, Yeah, first of all miracles. Second
of all, anything that she says after waking up, you
just have to believe because it feels like God was
(21:13):
like poop, I choose you to reset. You know, like
this feels like a Jesus moment. You just take what
she says for truth. I don't know, it would just
be too weird for her to lie at this point,
you know what I mean. I think with with the
couple of words, she can get out. You know, I
think that she wouldn't want to spare it on someone
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who wasn't the person who tried to murder her. And
you know also because look, even if it wasn't him
and she had a grudge against him, he was being Well,
that's my problem. I wish I wish that she I
agree with you. She woke up from a comma from
two years, Like she slipped into a comma after she
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got hit with a hatchet or whatever. Right, she wakes
up two years later and says that it's him, so
most likely him. The only thing I would have preferred
was that the reason she gave was not because he
was mean, because that sounds but let's translate that to
something else. He's as sociopath. He's a psychopath, he's a narcissist.
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Maybe he has a pattern of abuse with other people.
And that was just her way of saying it. I
feel like, maybe, you know, she just woke up from
a two year coma and she could barely get full
sentences out, Like, let's give her the benefit of the
doubt that maybe she meant more than just that. I
get it. I would have preferred like, he's a fucking
lunatic that would have held more more away for me,
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but not saying he didn't do what I'm assuming he did,
and we can do that because we're not the authorities.
I mean. The other thing too, is if she had
just died, he probably would have gone away with it.
And you know, I mean, it's like possible she doesn't
remember it correctly. But I think that if you're an
coma for two years, your brain is obviously super foggy,
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and so the memories that you have remaining are probably
the deepest ones m and the truest ones create, you know. Yeah,
so I feel like it's accurate. And babe, bitch, you're
going to jail now. Do you think for two years
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he thought like she's never going to wake up. I'm
probably getting away with this. Yeah. Yeah, I can't believe
they kept her in life support, which makes me think
that they're probably very wealthy. Maybe, but their westroot sounds
here in a coma and all of that's it. That's
kinda be exciting to all of a sudden be like, hey,
you know that person that's been taken up that room
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for two years. Yeah, they're awake and they're chirping like
a Canary. If someone woke up from a coma for
that long and and we got a notification and you
know the main frame whatever that means. Like I'm contending,
like I'm a hack. I would just show up in
an alien soon and be like, welcome humans in the
year is three thou? That would be so okay, one um,
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I gotta put in my will or whatever that I
don't want you anywhere near me if I fall into
slipping to Oacoma. But that is a brilliant idea though,
to really have some fun with it, right, like you've
been out for one and twenty years and just have
like a video of like flying cars and shut Yeah.
It's like when Robin Williams comes out in Jamanji and
he's like, what year is it to have fun at
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other people's expenses? This is real time crime and we
are about to take a break, So don't commend you
crimes or fall into a coma in between now and
us coming back from the ad break, y'all. We'll see
you in a minute. All right, you guys, this is
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real time crime. We're back, baby, Real time crime with
Lee Lamar and Dmitri Oh. And they'd be like, well,
how long was that out? He's no longer sometimes man
must be like a decade, three thousand beers. Alright, So anyway, um, okay,
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you guys, our main story for today. Pretty cool if
you ask me, so, dB Cooper, where are you now
trending on Netflix? What is it about you ask? So?
Netflix explores this fifty year old case surrounding the infamous
plane hijactor Hi dictor m dB Cooper. On November one,
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a man going by the name Dan Cooper boarded a
Northwest Orient Airline flight from Portland to Seattle, Pacific Northwest.
Years later, but right, it's a short flight, right, Yeah,
this is a short flight. Yeah. Years later, Cooper became
an infamous name and the most wanted man in the
entire nation. Cooper, also known as the media epithet dB Cooper,
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successfully hijacked the flight after threatening a nearby flight attendant
and demanding four parachutes and a hefty sum of cash.
First of all, that's so cool. It's super cool. Like
when you think about that's kind of like James Bond
movie type of style, Like you hijacking plane, then you
parachute out into the wilderness, but quickly, so it's a
short flight from Portland to Seattle or whatever was What
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do you mean he demanded a large sum of money.
Where's that coming from? Well, first of all, can I
just say this is one So it's fifty years ago,
which isn't that long ago? No, you know what I mean, Like,
it's not that that long ago, which makes me think
security and um safety was so bad back then. There's
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no way to find this guy who multiple offenses. Would
I mean, this is so crazy, But okay, it's like
you think that if you had a depiction of what
the person looked like and he'd committed multiple crimes like this,
that they would create a profile, they'd be able to
figure it out. They'd have a passenger ledger, they do
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process of elimination. Like it just seems crazy that they
never caught this guy. Okay, I know, and I think
now in nowadays terms, I think it's insanely crazy. But
I think now that you mentioned that, you go back
to nineteen seventy one, which was before I was born.
But you go back there and it's like, Okay, if
someone parashutes out of a plane into the wilderness, right,
(27:50):
you have to spread that message. You don't spread it
like the way we do now with like phones and
Twitter and this and that. So these people outside of
that forest or ever may not be looking for something.
So he very easily could have just walked out of
there at one point and been on his way. It's
not like all of a sudden the news spreads and
everybody's looking out for him. Also, is this so crazy?
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But I always was under the impression that if you're
on a plane and the door the door opens of
the plane, that everyone gets sucked out, right? Is that
true or false? No? I think that's true. But again short,
who knows what kind of flight this was? I don't.
It probably wasn't a giant, right, it seems like a
much smaller flight where you know, they're just kind of
open and close the doors. But where's the large sum
(28:34):
of money coming from on a flight like that? Well,
maybe if it's a small private flight like that, people
are just maybe a lot of people flew with their cash. Maybe,
I mean banking was different then, Yes, people weren't just
like going a t M S right, So I guess
a lot of people just said cash on them And
that's true, And maybe he knew people on the flight,
(28:56):
Like remember just last week, we were talking about a
guy who was stealing ten thousand dollars worth of items
from people on plane. So it's like people bring expensive
things with them and money with them. And okay, so
and especially if you're traveling abroad maybe or what you
carry cash on you more so on flights than you
would in your everyday life, because you want to have
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petty cash around, right, all right, So now that I've
proved you wrong, we'll just keep moving forward. This is
this is what I like. I throughout these these situations
and you just debunk them and you solve them. And
that's what that's what happens here, you know, a real
social slop. Okay, So all those crimes were marked by intamy.
Cooper himself became a media sensation, earning multiple references and artwork, music, films,
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and shows like Twin Peaks which I Love, and the
Disney Plus series Low Key. The FBI has since opened
an investigation into cooper his identity and present day whereabouts,
but fifty years later, the question of who is dB
Cooper still remains unanswered. Netflix's latest documentary, D Cute, dB Couper,
(30:02):
Where Are You, attempts to make sense I imagine he
just like, hey, I'm over here, just like hey, guys.
Um attempts to make sense of these missing pebble pieces
with new clues over the course of four episodes in
any series introduces the investigator, sleuth, and journalists who have
been working tirelessly to solve this mystery. I mean tirelessly,
(30:22):
like Okay. Following his crimes, he became an American folk
legend and so called quote unquote badass hero. Conspiracy theorists
and fans alike praised his guts, he escape and endeavors
with only heightened which only heightened his public yet unknown persona.
This to me, the crime doesn't seem like they call
it a hijacking. But he left the plane right. He
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didn't bring them somewhere else or hold anybody hostage, so
it's probably a textbook definition of of hijacking. He took money, fine,
but how much could it have been? I haven't seen that,
but maybe it'll be in the Netflix show. And he
demanded parachutes and he bombed us, so I get the
the cult hero. You know the story is fantastic. I
don't know that, and I'm sure the Netflix show will
(31:06):
be because that's how these things happen. But I'm not
sure that the FBI is like opening this because this
is a most wanted guy. I think this is more
like the FBI is like, no, that'd be kind of
cool to solve. Well, apparently this was a commercial airplane
and he was able to just drop out of it.
It's like, do you think he was like ex military maybe?
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But it also if he's doing that, what he didn't
take a parachute with him, Like he went up there
in the demand. What if they were like, no, we
don't have Well, how could he bring a parachute with him?
How could he go through security with that? Well? I
guess also like fifty years ago, I don't know. I'm
very confused by a lot of things here. I mean also,
I don't know if I I understand why people would
still want to crack the case because it's only it's
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within a fifty year period and it's mysterious, and I think,
you know, there are probably still some people who are
looking for Amlia Earhart and anything that's unsolved. People want
to answers to period out. But we can also spend
those tax dollars on getting me a doctor who's not
wearing flip flops. It's not an either or. We could
probably do both. I don't I don't think that we
(32:11):
need too much tax dollars to get your doctors some
fucking shoes to make you feel a little safer. Man
just gonna pay less. You know this, Payless still open
and today filed for bankruptcy. I don't know what I mean,
who knows whatever? Okay, So, I mean the FBI never
found the guy, right, so obviously they could never make
(32:32):
the arrest. But do you think that he survived the phone?
Probably he knew enough to do what he was doing.
He knew enough to do so I imagine. I mean,
he's got a parachute, right, so I'm sure he just
landed somewhere. And that's the fascinating part is what was life?
You know fifty years ago? What did he do? Did
he live in the wilderness? Did he come out and
join society and just blend in. Did he go somewhere else?
(32:54):
Like it is fascinating to wonder what became of him.
This is a real Tom crue Is move. Yeah, you know,
this feels like I'm watching a movie. It feels like
a mission impossible type of stunt. I mean, you have
to be slightly off your rocker to do this and
also a thrill seeker. And also like, this is the
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type of person to me that is like a high
stakes gambler, you know, is able to function on no
sleep as going from city to city, has casual sex
all over. This is the part of the podcast when
Leah falls in love with the criminal um TV. So
if you're still alive, call me. So I wonder if
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he's on tinder um. Yeah, so he goes dB now
goes by David Buster. That's when he used the money.
That's why he stole the lifelong dream to start an
arcade a chain arcade in arcade chain um it is
it's it's it's a badass move. The whole thing is
super cool and it's like, but how much did he
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plan in advance? Did he planned where he was going
to jump out? Like all that? Because he had nothing
but the money in a parachute, right, So if he
lands in the middle of the wilderness, where's the food?
Where's this? So it's fascinating and I don't know at
what point he jumped out, but did they comb that.
I'm sure they calmbed the area, but I'll definitely check
this out. I mean, you're going we don't have an answer, though,
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I know. I mean. The other thing is how much
money did he ask for? Because because it must have
been a planned there must have been someone on there
that he knew would have a ton of money, because
it was a empty sum of cash. It wasn't like
a random flight. He probably there's probably I mean, I'm
sure we'll see in the documentary, which sounds very exhilarating
(34:45):
to me. I'm gonna watch it as soon as we
get off. But it seems like he had he knew
someone was flying with a ton of cash, and he
planned this out, and he had the expertise on how
would have jump out of an airplane? And or maybe
he didn't. Maybe this guy's totally bonkers, and like maybe
(35:06):
he was just hit rock bottom and he owed the
mafia a ton of money or like the cartel, and
he was like maybe, I don't know, for parachutes will
get me off the hook, I don't know, And then
he's maybe or maybe this is his way of like
drawing attention. If he was on the run from Save
the Mafia, this is his way of drawing attention and
then faking his death, but it does have a very
(35:29):
Oceans eleven field to it. I agree with you that
he probably knew someone was on there that had the
money and this was his whole plan. But the other
thing that um that field is that this guy in
the picture of him from he's in a suit like
it's total I love the theme. I feel like I
(35:52):
needed to give you some background. I wanted to keep going.
If that kept going, I would never Okay, well in
that case, I'll stop. But yeah, no, he's wearing these
like cool guy glasses in sea and his hair slicked back.
That's pretty badass for you, Dan Cooper, where are you? Yeah,
(36:13):
I mean it's a I mean he also look if
he was like, let's say, at the youngest twenty when
this happened, he'd be seventy now if he survived, he
didn't look like he's twenty in this photo. You have
any do you think they have any DNA that if
(36:34):
they ever found a body they could be like they
could test it. Then he he's all, this is okay,
this is just like a DNA test. Turns out he's
a hu. Listen. I think this is a This is
a of story of image that has been enhanced, right,
(36:56):
because if you think about it, his name is Dan Cooper.
No off, So the Dan Cooper's out there, not very
exciting name every ten minutes. Yeah, they got sunglasses, a suit,
He hijacks the plane, demands money, takes a parachute, jumps out,
and then they're like no, in order to make this now,
we're naming him dB Cooper. Right, they give him like
a cooler name. Why because there they is this something
(37:21):
that was enhanced. I feel like there's more to this
story than we think. I think there's more people involved
in just dB acting alone. What's an inside job? I
don't think you're wrong, and I'm very excited to just
find out more. Yeah, I'm excited to find out more.
I'm nervous to find out more. I am hoping he's
(37:49):
alive and single. Are you nervous to find out? Adam?
I hope you're not listening to this podcast. I love you, Okay, so,
but you get I've had to leave you for a
seventy year old criminal got jumped out of a plane. Like, yeah, Adam,
step up your game. Yeah, he's got a ton of cash,
this guy, and I'm sure he invested it well too.
(38:09):
Wouldn't that be so funny if he did all of this, survived,
lived to tell the tale, avoided the police, only to
invest it improperly and start back at zero, that would
be amazing. But this is what I want for you. See. Obviously, Adam,
I love him and that's my first preference. But if
you're going to go down the path of wanting to
(38:30):
take criminals, I want you to be with more of
like a dB Cooper than the guy that pulled a
gun at the dollar store. Because someone didn't say thank you,
that's what I want for you. Thank you. That's so sweet.
And I think that this is an excellent place to
end our final episode for the season. And you guys,
did you hear that? Did me really cares about me? Yeah?
(38:53):
That was the standards for me and TV. Like the
whole season is an ark and at the very end,
it's a real nice cliffhanger payoff. Let's just say this.
We started with Teddy, we started with the Gabby Potito story,
which was traumatic to the entire nation that that story
(39:13):
just took us all by storm, and we started real
time crime there on a very heavy note. I think
you know, I was still trying to be myself, which
means inappropriately infused humor random points, because it's my defense
mechanism against feeling uncomfortable and burying emotions that make me
(39:34):
feel sad or confused or heard or scared. And then
thank you, Um well they SAIDs what my therapist told me.
And then you know, she's like, have you ever considered
not deflecting with humor? And I was like, huh no, so,
um yeah, why would I do that? No? Thank you though, um,
you know, and then we slowly got into some funny
(39:57):
hot topics, crazy hot topics. We've talked about murder mysteries
that have never been solved. We've talked about a lot
of cases that have been happening obviously in real time.
We've watched criminals die on our watch. We've seen criminals
come and go and adel V She's gotten n f T.
(40:17):
I bought it. I bought into the crime, you guys.
I'm I mean, I just want more access to Anna,
I want more information. I'm really just mad she was
never on our podcast. And it's been a real roller coaster. Yeah,
and I like to think, um that we've solved a
lot of crimes. Don't go back and check because we
don't need to fact check on that, but I like
to think that we did. Um we and like you said,
(40:39):
we did see a bunch of them conclude, like the
Gabby Potito case. We started, like you said, and that
was one of those who are like, we may never
have answers to this. We got answers to that. And
it's funny that we're ending the season with D. B. Cooper,
which is fifty years with no answers. I love these stories,
but they drive me nuts thinking we'll never know, like
deathbed confessions, you stuff like that. I always like some
(41:01):
sort of bow on my crazy story. So it's nice
that we we do get them, and that kind of
gives me hope for some of these. But that's why
keeps true crime so interesting, and that's what keeps us
digging for answers because I don't know about you, but
I'm a very black and white thinker, which doesn't really
work great for relationships. But when there's a question mark
(41:23):
or there's a mystery where there's something that's unsolved, I
need to have the hard facts. I need to see
the answer. I cannot just believe that everything's okay. I
cannot just believe that you know, you know, someone will
get their justice in the spiritual realm. It's like, no,
I need to know who did it when? How? Why
(41:46):
the motive is always so important to me? Like, and
this is with a lot of different things, right, It's
it's just in life. I don't like a lot of
gray area. I need to see. And this is why
a lot of my relationships and so so dramatically because
instead of just ending it when I'm like, oh yeah, see,
(42:07):
like this is a psychle I could just end it,
I'm like, I'll write it till the wheels fall off,
until I get all the way to the point where
I know you're cheating on me because I caught you
red handed, you know, but all the other things leading
up to it, the clues weren't good enough. Um no, No,
I need to complete the case right and then I
(42:27):
like people that want to do that. That's why I
appreciate O. J. Simpson and how he's looking for the
real killer. That's the type of stuff we need. Propacana
hasn't been the same since. But I really think, I
really think that I am. I'm gonna take uh a
(42:52):
lot of time. There's a there's a sentence that will
come at some point. It it's not there yet because
just like this podcast, it's a taking a quick pause.
This has been an extraordinary first season of Real Time Crime.
(43:14):
I love all my social studs very much. We've very
much enjoyed talking about all these different wild cases. And
thank you for falling around my tragic love life which
actually came to a pretty cool conclusion that wasn't open
and shut case. Also, the season is not ending on
that like stay tuned or to come. Yeah, I'm going
(43:36):
to London. Who knows, I'll have him there. As soon
as I get off here, I'm jumping right on your
Instagram stories and seeing was it well you know what
the next move is? Oh oh oh? Also Friday, Saturday
and Sunday, I'm running my hour in l A. M
Are you in town? Uh no, I'm at the lake.
(43:57):
I mean, but I am home now, and it's just
whatever are you going up on Saturday, Saturday and Sunday?
And then I leave Monday and then I'm going to
do a bunch of shows in London, So if you
are in the UK, I'll be doing shows in London.
I'll also be running my hour at the Bill Murray,
(44:17):
which is actually a venue. And then I'm going to
Edinburgh and I'll be doing my hour at the Fringe.
So if you're in Scotland, come say hi. If you're
in London, come say hi. If you're in l a
please this weekend, I'm sure Mary. I've also got other
shows on Friday. I've got two shows on Friday as well.
So uh, y'all, this has been a wonderful first season.
(44:40):
Thank you for blessing me with your ears. Thanks for
being fans, thanks for loving us, thanks for following along
on this wild journey that we call crime and comedy,
true crime with a twizt um. I've been Lee Lamar,
your host. You can find me on the internet at
(45:01):
Lee Lamar to ours TikTok five hours, Twitter, same thing, website,
same thing I just told her my show dates. Then Dmitri,
where can we find you on the internet? Instagram at
Dmitri pappis and probably the same thing everywhere else. So
try that. Okay, you guys, we love you so much.
(45:21):
Stay safe out there, have a very safe summer. Take
care of each other, look look out for each other's backs,
and if someone opens the door for you, for the
love of God, say thank you, all right, thank you guys.
See what I did there? Love you. I it's real time,
(45:42):
grad real time gro right, I mean, is it actually
real time? I'm solving anything? Or just say it's a
fairly safe, got it? Okay, see you next week for
more real time crime, only on I Hort Radio
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Real
Time Crime. I'm your host Lee Lamar and my little
social Sure already, that's enough love that for me. I've
been on my ask for a week with some mystery illness,
which is really a true crime that we should be exploring.
(00:27):
But my little social studies. Who do I have with
me here today? But my friend, oh, my my real friend. Wow,
all right, I mean listen, this is the definition of progress.
My Real Time Crime friend Dmitri was gonna be honest,
(00:49):
was one of some of the best of my life. Okay,
for a second, I know, and no one can see Dmitri,
But um, Dmitri looks like he's wearing earrings from that
would have been cool if you bought them at Hot
Topic in But they're actually does earphones anymore? Oh? I
mean never mind, huh huh um. Look, look, we don't
(01:11):
judge here at Real Time Crime, Dumitry. We let you
be you. I get my accessories where I get them,
and that's nobody else's business. I also want to say
I got a lot of messages from people being like, wait,
you have a boyfriend, and I'm like, yeah, how did
you find out? On the podcast. That's what a podcast does.
It informs people of things. Do you mean what you mean?
(01:34):
Friends of yours? Yeah, friends who haven't like chatted with
in a while. Um, so, friends who haven't chatting with
a while. I'm sorry that I should have send out
a carrier bridge into everyone because it is not like
public public. It's public, but it's not. I haven't like
posted aggressively about him on social media, and that's because
(01:55):
my friends I posted on him, posted on him. I
posted about him like twice of my story and lost
like two thousand followers. It's like, I just met this guy,
you know, but I've had my Instagram following for a
way longer. So who am I going to be loyal to? I? Oh,
I hope he's not listening, kidding very much in love
(02:17):
with him? WHOA, there's a Can I have that as
a social club? Yeah, I'm I'm going in London next week,
so we'll be together again, and I'm sure you'll I'm
sure you'll get some since we're all social suits here,
you will be able to piece together where I am
and who I'm with on my social media. Yes, And
(02:40):
I think that the people that benefit the hierarchy of
benefiting from this relationship are obviously you and Adam. Then
I think me because I'm really enjoying it. And then
I think I gotta tip the cap to UM the
Um the comedy clubs in London because you're going out.
You're there, aren't you? I am, I'm I'm performing there.
(03:04):
I'm performing my hour there, and then I'm going to
Edinburgh and performing my hour there. They're really excited about it. Um.
But also, let me just say something about healthcare in America.
I'm talking about a real time crime because we just
made a crazy turn. No no, no, no, no, no.
(03:25):
I just want to say this. I have been very
sick for the last week. Like my favorite went all
the way to a hundred and three. I felt like
I was going through menopause. I got like an early
glimpse into it. I was like, I'm having hot flashes,
like no, I'm hot, no cool, No, I'm hot, swatch
it on, swatch it off, swatch you itr off. No no, no,
(03:47):
I'm not ready for that life. That's number one. Number two. UM.
I want to thank everyone on social media reached out
to me that literally hundreds of people were like, I
hope you're feeling okay. Also, f you to all the
people who told me that they thought I had monkey pox.
That's so annoying, Like, don't put that out there, don't
put that energy out there. I never had monkey pox.
(04:07):
I was never going to have monkey pox. Well, knock
on wood, I saw that you posted in your story.
You said, guys, I don't have monkey pox. Stopped suggesting that.
So to me, that was, you know, open season on
texting you and be like, how's the monkey pox? Very
way right? But see the thing is that I don't
seem cool enough to have been to an orgy in Europe.
(04:28):
What come on, You're going to Europe all the time.
Oh my god, you're right, Oh my god, I am.
Try some food in the European orgies totally. I mean,
I just want to say this. I went to an
urgent care and the doctor came out and flip flops
and I was like, oh, it can't be good. That
(04:49):
was here and in the US, just around the corner,
and I was like, yeah, I gotta get I gotta
I gotta leave. I can't I can't trust this man's opinion.
He's wearing flip flops at work. Yeah, you're not allowed
to wear open toed shoes at a restaurant, let alone,
(05:11):
at at a at an urgent care. You know. He's like,
once I figure out what's wrong with you, I'm heading
over to a barbecue, So just move this along. Hey yeah, yeah,
all right, Well you guys, I don't know why I
made that noise, and I'm very sorry. I think it's
time for us jump into our hot topics for today,
because I am burning. It's not hot flashes and hot topics.
(05:38):
I'm honestly love about shaking my sutter off. It doesn't end,
it hasn't ended, it's just ending. Well, you sound good,
Like last week you told me after that you were sick. Yeah,
but I gotta be honest, you were seemed pretty dialed in.
You didn't sound of This is my curse and my gift.
So anytime I'm like really sick and I'm going I'm
(06:01):
at the e er and I'm like, I was so
much pain, I can't stop, Like I just crack jokes
because that's who I am as a person, and so
they think I'm fine, I'm like, no, no, this is
my personality. Like I just I'm not okay, you know. Um,
so I really, I really struggle and I pushed through um,
(06:21):
even severe illness, which this is not a good thing.
This is just like I was taught to never take
a break. I was thought you must fight through even
extreme illness, um and never take time for self care.
So anyway, I'm working on that. But moral of a
story is I am getting better. Did you hear that
heavy swell? Okay, guys, but you know who's not getting better? Okay.
(06:48):
A California woman allegedly impersonated a nurse in order to
abduct a newborn from a hospital room. Oh so, she
was charged with a felony kidnapping after allegedly trying to
abduct a newborn baby from a patient's room. According to
a Riverside Conney sheriff, this twenty three year old woman,
(07:09):
Ms Moron, pretended to be a newly hired nurse. She
gained access to a medical unit where newborn infants were present.
The suspect allegedly entered a patient's hospital room and identified
herself as a nurse. While inside the patient's room, she
attempted to take their newborn infant. She was confronted by
hospital staff, who then notified authorities. Uron fled the scene
(07:29):
without the newborn. Investigators tracked her down in Marina Valley,
where she was rested and booked. Um, first of all,
if she could just meander her way into a medical
unit where newborns are present, there's an issue with the hospital.
I feel like she's just like a secret shopper, you know,
She's like, hey, I'm just gonna let you know where
(07:50):
all your security flowers. Flaws are number one, the newborn sector.
And a buddy who did that one time he stole
from a store and he tried to return. He tried
to return the item and when they busted and he goes,
let me tell you why I did that. I'm a
documentary filmmaker and I was testing the things to see
how these stories handle these things. And you guys did good.
(08:11):
You have a good system in place. They're like, yeah,
not buying it, so and how yeah it's fine. He
rebounded better life now. Um, but the balls to go
into a hospital and like just be like I'm gonna
take someone's newborn baby. I'm gonna dress up as a nurse,
take a baby and walk out like obviously not all there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(08:40):
I also think it's just like this is a Netflix
movie in the making, you know what I mean, maybe
that oh yeah, she's doing research for a Netflix movie.
I just feel this is this seems like one of
those things that you see that's not really real. It's
like a the infamous baby apper when from hospital to
(09:02):
hospital stealing only the most special child bo Celsius on
at midnight on you know what I mean, Like, this
is just why would you want to steal a baby?
They're so annoying that you have to do, you have
to care so much, like you got a feed that
like did she just have a child? Does she a
(09:22):
wet nurse? Because if not, she better have a lot
of formula and there's a formula shortage, so like that's expensive.
I don't know what she wants to do with this baby,
but it's a huge responsibility. I mean, it's like you're
stealing a responsibility that who steals jobs. Like most twenty
three year old you're trying not to get pregnant to
have a baby, and this one is going to take
(09:43):
a baby. Listen, it's funny, it's not. I'm glad the
reason we're joking about it. She didn't get away with it,
the baby, but It's like that's crazy, Like, you're right though,
why why is she stealing responsibilities? Also, like I'm sorry
if I'm giving birth and people could just walk in
and out of the room. Too many people are seeing
my vagina more than usual, guards standing out, someone's a
(10:11):
little lofty on her on her self image of her. Uh.
I just think you gotta I mean, if you want
to come watch the show, you gotta pay a ticket.
Like at least we're twenty five dollars, Like, hey, the
cost of admission you can come on in. Is there
a too drink minimum? Oh, there's a I mean, you
(10:32):
gotta your drink. Um. So I had four kids, right,
and so the hospital that I was at is very
like they have like a little baby low jack system. Right,
so if you were if the baby got too close
to the front door of the hospital or something like that,
it would set off alarm. So I this sounds so
just walked in in person in a nurse almost got
(10:54):
away with it. Like that sounds pretty like. I think
they need to update what they're doing there and be
on a better alert. Yeah, it sounds like a wackass hospital.
By the way, back to women, women be on alert
don't have your baby there. Don't go to this hospital
and have your baby there unless you want your baby
to get possibly stolen. I don't know if there's a
yelp for hospitals, but I would look into that also.
(11:18):
I feel like this is like a cool reality show,
like got you. We weren't really trying to steal your baby.
Ha ha. I'm a cure fucked nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me.
But you know, go back to the balls of going
into a hospital, dressing as a nurse or a doctor,
(11:39):
and then trying what it means the method actress we
find out later it's like Nolly a Portman. She's like,
I just really wanted to know what it would feel
like to pretend that I was going to steal a baby.
You know, you know when you go to the grocery
store and you have to say you have to use
the bathroom, like you have to go back into like
where the employees are where, like that's where the bathroom is.
(11:59):
I feel so nervous if I have to do that,
because I'm just like head down and you walk back
where you're allowed to go. But it makes me so
nervous to think that I'm walking back where I'm not
supposed to normally be. So I don't know, man, Like
my heart would be racing to walk into a hospital
dressed as a doctor or a nurse and start doing ship.
But I guess that's why crazy people are crazy people.
(12:21):
You know what's so funny is that your heart races
when you're literally going to the bathroom in the most
low stakes possible situation ever. Yeah, I mean, listen, I
never I never claimed to be a mastermind a criminal.
But also, Tom Dream, sorry, where are you? Because you're
not in your regular place today. I am not. I am.
(12:42):
I'm up at the lake on vacation. I'm on a
family vacation. But you know what, crime never sleeps oh boy,
And speaking of crime never sleeping, neither to our stories
about crim Okay, so is this one of those feverite spikes?
(13:08):
Can you guys open the window and here? Okay, there's
no Yeah. I feel like you've been in a coma
and you're now just starting to come out of it.
Speaking of being in a coma, Hey, hey, hey, we're
skipping ahead, sir. Oh sorry, that was the one I
was excited about. Okay, go into it, go into it. No, no,
because this next one is ridiculous, and this actually gets
(13:28):
me fired up. This one literally no puns. Speaking of
being fired up, a Connecticut man pulls gun on woman
who didn't thank him for holding the door. Honestly, should
that should this? Does that? Thank you? Should have? And
this is something that actually used to bother me a lot,
because I am I'm a gentleman. Okay, I will hold
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the door for people. I will let people whatever it is,
order first, whatever the thing that you can do. That's
that's chivalrous. I do that, and you did. Used to
bother me when I would hold the door and someone
would walk through like I was. It was, you know,
like I'm supposed to be holding that for them or
like they have. All it takes is a simple thank you.
Did I ever get to the point where I thought
I should pull a gun on someone for not saying
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thank you? No. I think that's part of the the
way the world is spiraling out of control right now. Yeah. No,
I think it's just two words, thank you, show some gratitude, bitch,
you know, or you're gonna learn the hard way. No,
I mean this is, you know, like, where's your manners?
Said Joshua Murray of New Haven was that family dollar
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store on Saturday afternoon when he became incensed over the
impolite act. Mm hmm. So basically that's all that happened.
And Murray alleged the whipped out of pistol during the encounter,
fled and then was picked up. So so not only
did he pull out the pull out the pistol to
be like, yo, where's my thank you? I mean holding
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the door is a lot of f I mean that
burns what like point two five calories, takes a lot
of strength. He he then fled the scene because he
was like, oh, I pulled out a gun. And then
he got picked up by officers. And when they opened
the car door for him, did he say thank you?
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Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you know what.
That would have been fantastic if he didn't thanks guys.
I appreciate that. It's very nice. As he gets into
the cop car, I think he's in there like pushing
his head down. Yeah, and then the jail cell um it.
It's it's frustrating when when people don't say thank you
for for doing little things because there's an air of righteousness.
Um again, I think the gun is probably a tadbit
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too far. I'm luckily it was just that and it
didn't go further than that. But you know, also on
him the guys at the family dollar store looking for
polite people like, probably not, it's not. I don't think
that's high on the list. All right, just thought, you know,
I feel like there are a lot of ways that
in modern society you just pull a gun on someone.
You know. It's like, if I'm on a first date
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and he asked to split the bill, just pull him
the gun. I see. Uh who Yeah, Well, the truth
is things are spiraling out of control. I speaking at
first date. I saw a story that a woman is
suing a guy ten tho dollars for standing her up
on a date. How does that even happen? Well, because
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it costs eight thousand just to laser everything beneath her eyebrows. Sorry,
then her clothes cost a thousand, I'm sure, and then
from makeup and mhmm you just no, no, not from experience,
you're just guessing. No, I don't shave, but um, yeah, definitely,
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I understand it takes a lot of money to get
ready for date. Did she take a private jet to
go see him that he said he was going to
pay for and he didn't pay her back. We don't
have all the information, Dmitri. Is that the tenders on there?
I mean maybe, but this is where we're going, Right,
someone doesn't stand you up on a date, you feel
entitled to sue them. Right, you hold the door for someone,
which is your choice, and they don't say thank you.
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That does not mean okay, not well, and now I
should scare the ship out of them or pull a
gun on them or whatever it may be. Like it,
I don't know. I I it does frustrate me without
without the thank you, but I don't think, well, you know,
it's giving with an expectation like this is the same
thing where everything in life becomes transactional or that you're
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expecting something in return. Maybe he just really needed that
thank you. I don't know, but and probably other stuff
going on, right, but with with not to go heavy
on this, but with gun violence the way it is
now and everyone being like Second Amendment, everyone has the
right to have a gun, not if that's what you're
doing with it. Yeah, bringing us back home, So um,
(17:56):
I just I go on these tangents that take us
all of the strass heard and you're like, yeah, but
what about reality? Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry back to the
eight thousand dollar lazery. Go I'm sorry you're the one
who brought up that story. Um, that's number one, number two.
You know, I don't think that. Yeah, I'm actually I'm done.
(18:21):
I'm complete. But this is why I like talking to you,
because every time I think this is this is an
open and shotcase. This is obvious, like why would someone
do that? You're like, no, I get it. Pull a
gun if you know, if he tries to steal some
of your fries, like yeah, like did he mistake her
for someone that might have had his money? You know
what I mean. It's like you never know. M I
(18:41):
think you would make a great defense attorney because you
really start on the side of the criminal most times,
especially if you could find a niche where you like
a defense attorney but only for like hot criminals, like
hot guy criminals. I think that would be like visits
with all of my clients there it is, it's actually
and it's win win, so whin win for everyone except
(19:03):
for me because my therapy bill. Okay you guys speaking
of therapy bills, Well, yeah, you feel like you've been sick.
I know, you feel like you've been in a coma
for a while and now maybe you're just waken up
from it. A West Virginia woman woke up from a
two year coma and identified her brother as the attacker
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who nearly killed her. Police say they found the fifty
one year old Wanda Palmer when a name in an
upright position on her couch with severe injuries caused by
what appeared to be a hatchet or axe. Her brother
was suspected after witness saw him at the scene the
night had happened, but police didn't have enough evidence to
make an arrest. After two years in a coma, the
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victim is now coherent but unable to hold full length conversations.
When she woke up at the long term care facility,
authorities asked her what she remembered about the night she
was attacked. She said her brother did it because, quote,
he was mean, relatable, My sisters really mean to me,
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and like I think if she had an ax, that
would have been her weapon of choice. When I was
a kid, I was like three, and she literally drove
over me with her bicycle, which is basically like a
lot of little axes that that. Yeah, I mean, that's
there's a lot to unpack there. Um, I have a
podcast about true crime, so um, what does she do?
(20:32):
Tricks and real estate? She are you guys okay? Or
do she still mean to you? Well, she's alive, We're
not really close. That wasn't clear. It sounds like next question.
Um okay, So okay, not a lot for not a
lot for the cops to uh to get the brother
one right, he was seen at the fit, he was
seen there before and obviously we don't know all the
(20:53):
details about what evidence was taken in all this not
enough to get them. Now her waking up two years later,
do you think is that enough to now charge this guy? Okay?
First of all, miracle, Yeah, first of all miracles. Second
of all, anything that she says after waking up, you
just have to believe because it feels like God was
(21:13):
like poop, I choose you to reset. You know, like
this feels like a Jesus moment. You just take what
she says for truth. I don't know, it would just
be too weird for her to lie at this point,
you know what I mean. I think with with the
couple of words, she can get out. You know, I
think that she wouldn't want to spare it on someone
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who wasn't the person who tried to murder her. And
you know also because look, even if it wasn't him
and she had a grudge against him, he was being Well,
that's my problem. I wish I wish that she I
agree with you. She woke up from a comma from
two years, Like she slipped into a comma after she
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got hit with a hatchet or whatever. Right, she wakes
up two years later and says that it's him, so
most likely him. The only thing I would have preferred
was that the reason she gave was not because he
was mean, because that sounds but let's translate that to
something else. He's as sociopath. He's a psychopath, he's a narcissist.
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Maybe he has a pattern of abuse with other people.
And that was just her way of saying it. I
feel like, maybe, you know, she just woke up from
a two year coma and she could barely get full
sentences out, Like, let's give her the benefit of the
doubt that maybe she meant more than just that. I
get it. I would have preferred like, he's a fucking
lunatic that would have held more more away for me,
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but not saying he didn't do what I'm assuming he did,
and we can do that because we're not the authorities.
I mean. The other thing too, is if she had
just died, he probably would have gone away with it.
And you know, I mean, it's like possible she doesn't
remember it correctly. But I think that if you're an
coma for two years, your brain is obviously super foggy,
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and so the memories that you have remaining are probably
the deepest ones m and the truest ones create, you know. Yeah,
so I feel like it's accurate. And babe, bitch, you're
going to jail now. Do you think for two years
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he thought like she's never going to wake up. I'm
probably getting away with this. Yeah. Yeah, I can't believe
they kept her in life support, which makes me think
that they're probably very wealthy. Maybe, but their westroot sounds
here in a coma and all of that's it. That's
kinda be exciting to all of a sudden be like, hey,
you know that person that's been taken up that room
(23:47):
for two years. Yeah, they're awake and they're chirping like
a Canary. If someone woke up from a coma for
that long and and we got a notification and you
know the main frame whatever that means. Like I'm contending,
like I'm a hack. I would just show up in
an alien soon and be like, welcome humans in the
year is three thou? That would be so okay, one um,
(24:13):
I gotta put in my will or whatever that I
don't want you anywhere near me if I fall into
slipping to Oacoma. But that is a brilliant idea though,
to really have some fun with it, right, like you've
been out for one and twenty years and just have
like a video of like flying cars and shut Yeah.
It's like when Robin Williams comes out in Jamanji and
he's like, what year is it to have fun at
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other people's expenses? This is real time crime and we
are about to take a break, So don't commend you
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you in a minute. All right, you guys, this is
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real time crime. We're back, baby, Real time crime with
Lee Lamar and Dmitri Oh. And they'd be like, well,
how long was that out? He's no longer sometimes man
must be like a decade, three thousand beers. Alright, So anyway, um, okay,
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you guys, our main story for today. Pretty cool if
you ask me, so, dB Cooper, where are you now
trending on Netflix? What is it about you ask? So?
Netflix explores this fifty year old case surrounding the infamous
plane hijactor Hi dictor m dB Cooper. On November one,
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a man going by the name Dan Cooper boarded a
Northwest Orient Airline flight from Portland to Seattle, Pacific Northwest.
Years later, but right, it's a short flight, right, Yeah,
this is a short flight. Yeah. Years later, Cooper became
an infamous name and the most wanted man in the
entire nation. Cooper, also known as the media epithet dB Cooper,
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successfully hijacked the flight after threatening a nearby flight attendant
and demanding four parachutes and a hefty sum of cash.
First of all, that's so cool. It's super cool. Like
when you think about that's kind of like James Bond
movie type of style, Like you hijacking plane, then you
parachute out into the wilderness, but quickly, so it's a
short flight from Portland to Seattle or whatever was What
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do you mean he demanded a large sum of money.
Where's that coming from? Well, first of all, can I
just say this is one So it's fifty years ago,
which isn't that long ago? No, you know what I mean, Like,
it's not that that long ago, which makes me think
security and um safety was so bad back then. There's
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no way to find this guy who multiple offenses. Would
I mean, this is so crazy, But okay, it's like
you think that if you had a depiction of what
the person looked like and he'd committed multiple crimes like this,
that they would create a profile, they'd be able to
figure it out. They'd have a passenger ledger, they do
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process of elimination. Like it just seems crazy that they
never caught this guy. Okay, I know, and I think
now in nowadays terms, I think it's insanely crazy. But
I think now that you mentioned that, you go back
to nineteen seventy one, which was before I was born.
But you go back there and it's like, Okay, if
someone parashutes out of a plane into the wilderness, right,
(27:50):
you have to spread that message. You don't spread it
like the way we do now with like phones and
Twitter and this and that. So these people outside of
that forest or ever may not be looking for something.
So he very easily could have just walked out of
there at one point and been on his way. It's
not like all of a sudden the news spreads and
everybody's looking out for him. Also, is this so crazy?
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But I always was under the impression that if you're
on a plane and the door the door opens of
the plane, that everyone gets sucked out, right? Is that
true or false? No? I think that's true. But again short,
who knows what kind of flight this was? I don't.
It probably wasn't a giant, right, it seems like a
much smaller flight where you know, they're just kind of
open and close the doors. But where's the large sum
(28:34):
of money coming from on a flight like that? Well,
maybe if it's a small private flight like that, people
are just maybe a lot of people flew with their cash. Maybe,
I mean banking was different then, Yes, people weren't just
like going a t M S right, So I guess
a lot of people just said cash on them And
that's true, And maybe he knew people on the flight,
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Like remember just last week, we were talking about a
guy who was stealing ten thousand dollars worth of items
from people on plane. So it's like people bring expensive
things with them and money with them. And okay, so
and especially if you're traveling abroad maybe or what you
carry cash on you more so on flights than you
would in your everyday life, because you want to have
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petty cash around, right, all right, So now that I've
proved you wrong, we'll just keep moving forward. This is
this is what I like. I throughout these these situations
and you just debunk them and you solve them. And
that's what that's what happens here, you know, a real
social slop. Okay, So all those crimes were marked by intamy.
Cooper himself became a media sensation, earning multiple references and artwork, music, films,
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and shows like Twin Peaks which I Love, and the
Disney Plus series Low Key. The FBI has since opened
an investigation into cooper his identity and present day whereabouts,
but fifty years later, the question of who is dB
Cooper still remains unanswered. Netflix's latest documentary, D Cute, dB Couper,
(30:02):
Where Are You, attempts to make sense I imagine he
just like, hey, I'm over here, just like hey, guys.
Um attempts to make sense of these missing pebble pieces
with new clues over the course of four episodes in
any series introduces the investigator, sleuth, and journalists who have
been working tirelessly to solve this mystery. I mean tirelessly,
(30:22):
like Okay. Following his crimes, he became an American folk
legend and so called quote unquote badass hero. Conspiracy theorists
and fans alike praised his guts, he escape and endeavors
with only heightened which only heightened his public yet unknown persona.
This to me, the crime doesn't seem like they call
it a hijacking. But he left the plane right. He
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didn't bring them somewhere else or hold anybody hostage, so
it's probably a textbook definition of of hijacking. He took money, fine,
but how much could it have been? I haven't seen that,
but maybe it'll be in the Netflix show. And he
demanded parachutes and he bombed us, so I get the
the cult hero. You know the story is fantastic. I
don't know that, and I'm sure the Netflix show will
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be because that's how these things happen. But I'm not
sure that the FBI is like opening this because this
is a most wanted guy. I think this is more
like the FBI is like, no, that'd be kind of
cool to solve. Well, apparently this was a commercial airplane
and he was able to just drop out of it.
It's like, do you think he was like ex military maybe?
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But it also if he's doing that, what he didn't
take a parachute with him, Like he went up there
in the demand. What if they were like, no, we
don't have Well, how could he bring a parachute with him?
How could he go through security with that? Well? I
guess also like fifty years ago, I don't know. I'm
very confused by a lot of things here. I mean also,
I don't know if I I understand why people would
still want to crack the case because it's only it's
(31:49):
within a fifty year period and it's mysterious, and I think,
you know, there are probably still some people who are
looking for Amlia Earhart and anything that's unsolved. People want
to answers to period out. But we can also spend
those tax dollars on getting me a doctor who's not
wearing flip flops. It's not an either or. We could
probably do both. I don't I don't think that we
(32:11):
need too much tax dollars to get your doctors some
fucking shoes to make you feel a little safer. Man
just gonna pay less. You know this, Payless still open
and today filed for bankruptcy. I don't know what I mean,
who knows whatever? Okay, So, I mean the FBI never
found the guy, right, so obviously they could never make
(32:32):
the arrest. But do you think that he survived the phone?
Probably he knew enough to do what he was doing.
He knew enough to do so I imagine. I mean,
he's got a parachute, right, so I'm sure he just
landed somewhere. And that's the fascinating part is what was life?
You know fifty years ago? What did he do? Did
he live in the wilderness? Did he come out and
join society and just blend in. Did he go somewhere else?
(32:54):
Like it is fascinating to wonder what became of him.
This is a real Tom crue Is move. Yeah, you know,
this feels like I'm watching a movie. It feels like
a mission impossible type of stunt. I mean, you have
to be slightly off your rocker to do this and
also a thrill seeker. And also like, this is the
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type of person to me that is like a high
stakes gambler, you know, is able to function on no
sleep as going from city to city, has casual sex
all over. This is the part of the podcast when
Leah falls in love with the criminal um TV. So
if you're still alive, call me. So I wonder if
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he's on tinder um. Yeah, so he goes dB now
goes by David Buster. That's when he used the money.
That's why he stole the lifelong dream to start an
arcade a chain arcade in arcade chain um it is
it's it's it's a badass move. The whole thing is
super cool and it's like, but how much did he
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plan in advance? Did he planned where he was going
to jump out? Like all that? Because he had nothing
but the money in a parachute, right, So if he
lands in the middle of the wilderness, where's the food?
Where's this? So it's fascinating and I don't know at
what point he jumped out, but did they comb that.
I'm sure they calmbed the area, but I'll definitely check
this out. I mean, you're going we don't have an answer, though,
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I know. I mean. The other thing is how much
money did he ask for? Because because it must have
been a planned there must have been someone on there
that he knew would have a ton of money, because
it was a empty sum of cash. It wasn't like
a random flight. He probably there's probably I mean, I'm
sure we'll see in the documentary, which sounds very exhilarating
(34:45):
to me. I'm gonna watch it as soon as we
get off. But it seems like he had he knew
someone was flying with a ton of cash, and he
planned this out, and he had the expertise on how
would have jump out of an airplane? And or maybe
he didn't. Maybe this guy's totally bonkers, and like maybe
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he was just hit rock bottom and he owed the
mafia a ton of money or like the cartel, and
he was like maybe, I don't know, for parachutes will
get me off the hook, I don't know, And then
he's maybe or maybe this is his way of like
drawing attention. If he was on the run from Save
the Mafia, this is his way of drawing attention and
then faking his death, but it does have a very
(35:29):
Oceans eleven field to it. I agree with you that
he probably knew someone was on there that had the
money and this was his whole plan. But the other
thing that um that field is that this guy in
the picture of him from he's in a suit like
it's total I love the theme. I feel like I
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needed to give you some background. I wanted to keep going.
If that kept going, I would never Okay, well in
that case, I'll stop. But yeah, no, he's wearing these
like cool guy glasses in sea and his hair slicked back.
That's pretty badass for you, Dan Cooper, where are you? Yeah,
(36:13):
I mean it's a I mean he also look if
he was like, let's say, at the youngest twenty when
this happened, he'd be seventy now if he survived, he
didn't look like he's twenty in this photo. You have
any do you think they have any DNA that if
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they ever found a body they could be like they
could test it. Then he he's all, this is okay,
this is just like a DNA test. Turns out he's
a hu. Listen. I think this is a This is
a of story of image that has been enhanced, right,
(36:56):
because if you think about it, his name is Dan Cooper.
No off, So the Dan Cooper's out there, not very
exciting name every ten minutes. Yeah, they got sunglasses, a suit,
He hijacks the plane, demands money, takes a parachute, jumps out,
and then they're like no, in order to make this now,
we're naming him dB Cooper. Right, they give him like
a cooler name. Why because there they is this something
(37:21):
that was enhanced. I feel like there's more to this
story than we think. I think there's more people involved
in just dB acting alone. What's an inside job? I
don't think you're wrong, and I'm very excited to just
find out more. Yeah, I'm excited to find out more.
I'm nervous to find out more. I am hoping he's
(37:49):
alive and single. Are you nervous to find out? Adam?
I hope you're not listening to this podcast. I love you, Okay, so,
but you get I've had to leave you for a
seventy year old criminal got jumped out of a plane. Like, yeah, Adam,
step up your game. Yeah, he's got a ton of cash,
this guy, and I'm sure he invested it well too.
(38:09):
Wouldn't that be so funny if he did all of this, survived,
lived to tell the tale, avoided the police, only to
invest it improperly and start back at zero, that would
be amazing. But this is what I want for you. See. Obviously, Adam,
I love him and that's my first preference. But if
you're going to go down the path of wanting to
(38:30):
take criminals, I want you to be with more of
like a dB Cooper than the guy that pulled a
gun at the dollar store. Because someone didn't say thank you,
that's what I want for you. Thank you. That's so sweet.
And I think that this is an excellent place to
end our final episode for the season. And you guys,
did you hear that? Did me really cares about me? Yeah?
(38:53):
That was the standards for me and TV. Like the
whole season is an ark and at the very end,
it's a real nice cliffhanger payoff. Let's just say this.
We started with Teddy, we started with the Gabby Potito story,
which was traumatic to the entire nation that that story
(39:13):
just took us all by storm, and we started real
time crime there on a very heavy note. I think
you know, I was still trying to be myself, which
means inappropriately infused humor random points, because it's my defense
mechanism against feeling uncomfortable and burying emotions that make me
(39:34):
feel sad or confused or heard or scared. And then
thank you, Um well they SAIDs what my therapist told me.
And then you know, she's like, have you ever considered
not deflecting with humor? And I was like, huh no, so,
um yeah, why would I do that? No? Thank you though, um,
you know, and then we slowly got into some funny
(39:57):
hot topics, crazy hot topics. We've talked about murder mysteries
that have never been solved. We've talked about a lot
of cases that have been happening obviously in real time.
We've watched criminals die on our watch. We've seen criminals
come and go and adel V She's gotten n f T.
(40:17):
I bought it. I bought into the crime, you guys.
I'm I mean, I just want more access to Anna,
I want more information. I'm really just mad she was
never on our podcast. And it's been a real roller coaster. Yeah,
and I like to think, um that we've solved a
lot of crimes. Don't go back and check because we
don't need to fact check on that, but I like
to think that we did. Um we and like you said,
(40:39):
we did see a bunch of them conclude, like the
Gabby Potito case. We started, like you said, and that
was one of those who are like, we may never
have answers to this. We got answers to that. And
it's funny that we're ending the season with D. B. Cooper,
which is fifty years with no answers. I love these stories,
but they drive me nuts thinking we'll never know, like
deathbed confessions, you stuff like that. I always like some
(41:01):
sort of bow on my crazy story. So it's nice
that we we do get them, and that kind of
gives me hope for some of these. But that's why
keeps true crime so interesting, and that's what keeps us
digging for answers because I don't know about you, but
I'm a very black and white thinker, which doesn't really
work great for relationships. But when there's a question mark
(41:23):
or there's a mystery where there's something that's unsolved, I
need to have the hard facts. I need to see
the answer. I cannot just believe that everything's okay. I
cannot just believe that you know, you know, someone will
get their justice in the spiritual realm. It's like, no,
I need to know who did it when? How? Why
(41:46):
the motive is always so important to me? Like, and
this is with a lot of different things, right, It's
it's just in life. I don't like a lot of
gray area. I need to see. And this is why
a lot of my relationships and so so dramatically because
instead of just ending it when I'm like, oh yeah, see,
(42:07):
like this is a psychle I could just end it,
I'm like, I'll write it till the wheels fall off,
until I get all the way to the point where
I know you're cheating on me because I caught you
red handed, you know, but all the other things leading
up to it, the clues weren't good enough. Um no, No,
I need to complete the case right and then I
(42:27):
like people that want to do that. That's why I
appreciate O. J. Simpson and how he's looking for the
real killer. That's the type of stuff we need. Propacana
hasn't been the same since. But I really think, I
really think that I am. I'm gonna take uh a
(42:52):
lot of time. There's a there's a sentence that will
come at some point. It it's not there yet because
just like this podcast, it's a taking a quick pause.
This has been an extraordinary first season of Real Time Crime.
(43:14):
I love all my social studs very much. We've very
much enjoyed talking about all these different wild cases. And
thank you for falling around my tragic love life which
actually came to a pretty cool conclusion that wasn't open
and shut case. Also, the season is not ending on
that like stay tuned or to come. Yeah, I'm going
(43:36):
to London. Who knows, I'll have him there. As soon
as I get off here, I'm jumping right on your
Instagram stories and seeing was it well you know what
the next move is? Oh oh oh? Also Friday, Saturday
and Sunday, I'm running my hour in l A. M
Are you in town? Uh no, I'm at the lake.
(43:57):
I mean, but I am home now, and it's just
whatever are you going up on Saturday, Saturday and Sunday?
And then I leave Monday and then I'm going to
do a bunch of shows in London, So if you
are in the UK, I'll be doing shows in London.
I'll also be running my hour at the Bill Murray,
(44:17):
which is actually a venue. And then I'm going to
Edinburgh and I'll be doing my hour at the Fringe.
So if you're in Scotland, come say hi. If you're
in London, come say hi. If you're in l a
please this weekend, I'm sure Mary. I've also got other
shows on Friday. I've got two shows on Friday as well.
So uh, y'all, this has been a wonderful first season.
(44:40):
Thank you for blessing me with your ears. Thanks for
being fans, thanks for loving us, thanks for following along
on this wild journey that we call crime and comedy,
true crime with a twizt um. I've been Lee Lamar,
your host. You can find me on the internet at
(45:01):
Lee Lamar to ours TikTok five hours, Twitter, same thing, website,
same thing I just told her my show dates. Then Dmitri,
where can we find you on the internet? Instagram at
Dmitri pappis and probably the same thing everywhere else. So
try that. Okay, you guys, we love you so much.
(45:21):
Stay safe out there, have a very safe summer. Take
care of each other, look look out for each other's backs,
and if someone opens the door for you, for the
love of God, say thank you, all right, thank you guys.
See what I did there? Love you. I it's real time,
(45:42):
grad real time gro right, I mean, is it actually
real time? I'm solving anything? Or just say it's a
fairly safe, got it? Okay, see you next week for
more real time crime, only on I Hort Radio
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