April 24, 2025 • 23 mins
Carlos is joined by Annie from Serialously with Annie Elise to decode all things true crime and reality TV! The duo dives deep into the drama, from RHOBH divorces to bold predictions about the Hilton/Richards/Umansky dynasty. Trust, this is one episode you don’t want to miss!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
the King of Reality TV and one of the most
sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
(00:24):
moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Watch Hey,
rain Drives Today's episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Sure, I can recap episodes here and there, and we
can have a good key key about it, Darling, But
the beauty of Reality with the King, with me being
a producer in this business, is I like to go
a little bit deeper when it comes to the.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Psyche of our favorite reality stars.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So in this episode, we gotta do a deep dive
into Billy Hills.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
The Realhouse Boss at.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Billy Hills is a show that I think we really
need to do a deep dive into the psyche of
these women, the women in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
When it comes to the Mauricio Morgan.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Wade and Kyle Trifecta and I have a very special
guest to break in on down Now listen here, rain Drops.
She needs no introduction, but I'll do it anyway. Her
name is Annie Elise and she's the creator of the
true crime YouTube channel, tent to Life and the Cereal
Sleep cerial Lesslie. Look, I'm saying it wrong because it's
(01:43):
so it's like a talk twister, but it's cereal and
all caps lessly podcasts and honey, she is super smart,
super dynamic, and I'm so happy she gets to join
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So rain Drop give a war Welcome to any elits.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Hi, thank you so much for having me. That was
such a good, like heype man intro, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That was great. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So before we get started, explain to my rain drops
who are living under rock who may not know of
your podcast. Explain to those very few people what you'll
podcast is about what they can't expect from it and
how they can find, subscribe and like it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah. So basically, my podcast, Cereal Leslie is a true
crime podcast. But when I created it, I felt like
there was kind of this void in the space of
hearing about these cases for people who are interested in
true crime. In more of a non sterile, non clinical
way almost where if you've ever watched a Dateline episode
and you're just talking with your friend or for me
(02:51):
it was always my sister, and you're recapping the case,
you want to talk about the red flags, you go
on the social media deep dive all of these things,
and I never really could find anything where somebody would
deliver it in that kind of way. So that's why
I created Cereal Lessly, and so it's more just a casual,
conversational type of way delivering a deep dive into a case.
I go to the trenches of hell when I am researching,
(03:14):
I'm like in the Reddit threads, I'm getting the Foyer requests,
I'm doing the body cam. So it's like I pride
myself on giving a full deep dive into whatever I'm
talking about, and again just kind of doing it in
a way where we can call things like they are,
call out the red flags, call out the shady stuff
that they were posting on social media, and just talk
about it like we're friends.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
What are your thoughts when it comes to this, Kyle
Morgan Way, Maurice col Trifecta in terms of.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Is there.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Is there steaks happening financially, and by steaks, I mean
they clearly don't have any money problems. You know that, thankfully,
that's not one problem that I think that household has, right,
But more money more problems. Right. So we know that
the agency is a multi gazillion dollar agency, and we
(04:13):
know that Kyle and Marisio both got their real estate
license together. He left the Hilton Group, started his own
agency and now has a mass millions, So there's a
lot of money at stake here. Again, we're talking about
the nine to two and zero and we're talking about
the psyche of that particular zip code. Do you think
(04:34):
that when it comes to this very carefully crafted storyline
with the Umanskis and morgan is a lot of it
has to do with the protection of assets, the protection
of reputation of these both titans. And that's why we
as an audience are not getting delivered any sort of
(04:54):
real understanding of what went wrong in their twenty plus
year marriage.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
One thousand percent. Just as you had said earlier that
sometimes with divorce and marriage it's transactional, it's financial, especially
here in the LA and Orange County area. The same
goes for when you are married and whether you're getting
married for financial benefit or divorcing. And it's my belief
the reason they have not divorced yet is one thousand
(05:21):
percent related to the assets. I don't know. I would
imagine that they're smart enough and have gone through enough
together that even if they didn't have a prenup when
they got married, I would imagine there's a post nup
in place. I would just assume that maybe not. I
could be wrong, but my thoughts on the whole Kyle, Morgan,
Mauricio of it all, I definitely think that there has
(05:42):
been strained in the marriage for years. Whether that means
Mauricio has truly been stepping out on her for years
or something else. I think they have been growing apart.
And again it's one of those things, similar to Dewri
and PK, where you start getting older and your lives change.
You just go through different cycles of life, and I
think they started to outgrow each other at that same point.
(06:04):
I think that's when Kyle really started confiding in Morgan,
having this friendship with her, and I believe it's my
belief that there is something more there, or was something more.
I truly believe that because based even not even on
the rumors, but the chemistry that you see on TV
between the two of them, like when they were in
that tattoo shop together, when Morgan came to that event
(06:26):
that Kyle hosted, and when Morico wasn't even there when
it was for her friend who had taken her own life,
and you can just see the physical chemistry, the emotional
chemistry and how Kyle lights up when Morgan's around. Now,
whether they ever acted on that physically, who knows. It's
my guess there probably was some degree of something. But
I think to your point, aside from just financials, it's
(06:48):
about reputation and there's a lot of things at stake here.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
As we know.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The climate of the world is not in a great
condition right now, and Kyle is a public facing person.
And while hopefully the majority of people wouldn't care at
all if she was in a same sex relationship or
having that, No, who cares right Hello, it's twenty twenty five.
But I could see where if there are people that
Mauricio deals with who are maybe more conservative, or if
(07:13):
there's some reason that she's protecting this. I don't think
it's because of her daughters, because she's trying to say
that there's a possibility that they may become a family
again and reunite. Because the kids are grown, they know
that that's not happening. They also see this stuff in
the magazines with Mauricio and his girlfriend, like they know
that's not the reality. So there's something else. And I
(07:35):
don't think it's shame or embarrassment either. We've seen way
worse from all the house. Whis probably even Kyle included,
Like there's some other reason she's trying to protect that.
And in this latest episode, she said something that I
thought was really interesting. At the dinner, She's like, maybe
one day I will have a story to tell, maybe
I will have something to share. And I thought that
(07:55):
was telling because I was like, ugh, I kind of
clocked that as that's a tell you're right now. To me,
I'm saying that as you're admitting that there is something
but that you're not ready to share yet, and that
maybe one day you will be, maybe not on camera,
maybe not for public consumption. But I think that divide
started happening, but I think the Mauricio and Kyle divide
began way before that, and now I think it's just
(08:17):
they're best friends. They grew up together. They have a
beautiful family together. It's hard to walk away from that
and wonder what you're going to do the back half
of your life. And if there's financials involved, it makes
it so much more messy. So it's almost like they
don't want to rip the band aid. Let's just continue
in this like purgatory of whatever it is and hope
that we figure out what we want to do.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, spot on, we are just getting started. This is
reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
back into the show. I have updates for you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Annie. You're ready for this, sister.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Oh I let me get a drink of this Stanley
and hit me.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
All right, So listen up, Annie and the rain Drops.
Kyle and Mauricio did not have a prenuptial agreement when
they married in nineteen ninety six. More Annie, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
But they got a post shut up.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
No, no, no, no, no, guess what. Kyle has stated
that they built everything together in their empire, and they
accumulated their wealth journey together. Kyle has indicated that if
they were to divorce, they would divide their assets evenly.
(09:45):
Kyle has stated that Mauricio did not have much money
when they married, and that the money they.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Have now is our money. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Now, before I get your response, I want to also
read you this, okay. Mauricio co founded the agency in
twenty eleven. The agency has over seventy offices across the
United States, Canada, Mexico, the Netherlands, Tarzan Cacos, the Dominican Republic,
the Cayman Islands, and the Bahamas.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But Annie, there's more.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
The agency has a global sales volume of fifty seven
zero point four billion dollars since its founding, with Mauricio's
networth allegedly being estimated to have a net worth of
one hundred million dollars. Now you live in the state
(10:48):
of California. Is this true in the state of California?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
If you get.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Married with no prenup and you've been married since twenty eleven,
this case that Umanski, So that is fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Wait, they've been merry longer than that. They had to
have been, right, I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I'm lying, I'm lying.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The agency was found in twenty eleven. I'm so sorry
they got married nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
My bad, my bad, my bad.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Soot fifteen years I know, that's almost like thirty years
right in the Sanate of California with no prenup.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Are you entitled to at least have.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
To my knowledge, yes, I think that there's certain stipulations
that come into play, where, of course then it's like
you have alimony, spousal support, child support, things like that.
But to my knowledge anything, it's an equal state. So
once you divorce anything that any shared assets assets are
split fifty to fifty. Now, with that amount of wealth,
you would think that even if they're splitting fifty to fifty,
(11:49):
they're both fine. My wonder is, and I'm just kind
of going off here. I could be wrong, but Kathy
has alluded to certain financial struggles that Mauricio's face. I
think she also did allude to the fact that some
of these agencies aren't independently owned by him, but rather franchised,
so that although he says the agency has over seventy locations,
(12:09):
it's like, yeah, but they're not really all unbrellaed under you.
I don't know if that's true or not, but she
has alluded to there being some financial distress. So even
if call it one hundred million and they each get
fifty million, is there a reason why they're not doing that,
because in order to sustain the business or to do
whatever he's doing on the back end, does he need
(12:32):
access to more than that? Like, That's what I'm wondering.
Is there still a reason even though that is a
huge number and a lot of money, there must be
something else why they're not just calling it and divorcing.
I think is more business and transactional. But that's just
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
There's a lot of money a stake here.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Now, Listen, we all can live off of fifty million
dollars each, right, it's nothing to sneeze at. But I
just believe that at the end of the day, and
we're kind of seeing this a little bit with something
who gets three hundred and fifty thousand dollars per month
from her ex husband, who you know, some people argue
(13:14):
that Sutton helped her ex husband build this company, which
we have heard from the ex husband, so we don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But so I digress.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But there seems to be a power play here because
if you got married in nineteen ninety six and you
both got your real estate license together, and your first
job out of real estate school, if you will, is
working for your wife's brother in law. The Hilton group
(13:44):
is nothing to sneeze at.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
You then, so think about it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Your foray into real estate, if I'm Kyle, your forray
to real estate is at the hands of my family
member mine. And because of this apprenticeship and job or
whatever you want to call it for the many years
you were there, you took that knowledge from my family
(14:11):
member right to start your own agency.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And then what was fascinating is this.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So let me give you guys a little quick history
of this, right because I want to put two and
two together here, just toe see it. We're able to
sort of like have a great understanding of why all
of this is happening. Okay, So with that being said,
in twenty eleven, it's when the agency started.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But this the gag Annie.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills started a year before that. Kyle, ooh,
come on, investigative journalism.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Kyle, go ahead, No no, no, keep going, keep going. I've
been taking it all in.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Kyle appeared on season one of the house Spots of
Beverly Hills in twenty ten. The show debut because I'm
a journalist, Hey, Portia. The show premiered October fourteenth, two
thousand and ten. In two thousand and eleven, a year later, Mauricio.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Starts the agency.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
The reason why this matters to me is because the
visibility of being on this huge show provides a lot
of new clients, a lot of notoriety, and it kind
of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Any but that revelation, girlfriend, what did you think about
all of that?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I would like to know what the financials look like
between ninety six and twenty eleven, because I feel like,
on one hand, you could argue, Okay, maybe he's making
this power play saying, you know what, you were at home,
you raise the kids. I'm the one who built this.
I'm the one who built this multi million dollar empire
that we're on, not taking into consideration the platform that
(16:09):
Housewives gave it. Because let's be honest, nobody heard about
agency really unless they saw it on Housewives first, right,
or a lot of people. So I could see where
he's like, I'm the one who created this, even though
you stayed home with the kids. But then I could
see her argument of like, well, yeah, well, you won't
even have this inside knowledge or these connections if it
wasn't for my family. So like We're not like, go
to hell, that's not happening, you know. And then to
(16:32):
your point, I remember there was like a lot of
friction and bad blood with the Hiltons too, because he
left them and started his own thing. Which is very
interesting that it was one year after Housewives, because that
does seem very intentional to then be able to use
that platform to catapult to success, which he so clearly
did successfully. So I could see where maybe then there's
(16:53):
a good argument on both sides, Like he's the one
who's saying I started the agency in twenty eleven, I
built it to where it is. Even though she was
on Housewives at that point, she still was home with
the kids they were really young. So he could argue,
which I'm very much of the mindset of, if you're
a stay at home mom, but that is equal, if
not a harder job than a corporate job. I mean,
(17:15):
it is not for the faint of heart. I'm not
built to be a stay at home mom. I like
give accolades to anybody who is and so, but I
don't think men understand that. I think men see it
as I'm taking care of the family financially. All you're
doing is the laundry and putting dinner on the table,
not realizing the emotional and mental and everything that goes
into it. And so I could see that being an argument,
(17:35):
but then her of course combating that, being like, well,
first of all, my family is the one that gave
you the contacts and the knowledge. My platform is the
one that put you into spotlight. So no, we're not
doing that. Maybe And I again, though, I think it's
all rooted and why they're not divorcing the financials. There's
no other reason. You're not sleeping together, you're not living together,
you're sleeping with other people. Why wouldn't you divorce unless
(17:58):
it's business, unless it's something on paper. And I think
if they don't have a printup, that makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So any Elise and Carlos King, we have cracked the
code of mist.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They file for a divorce. You know that we're going
to get our hands on those transcripts. I want that degree.
I want to go through everything I want. I'm nosy,
I want to know it all.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You have to come back to decipher the core filings
of the divorce because it is going to be a
a a breakdown and showdown of assets of the assets
because again, the reason why I wanted to bring this
up to you is because the state of California is
(18:43):
ran very differently than a lot of states when it
comes to the divorce of a of a married couple,
especially one where to your point, Annie, both parties arguably
are successful.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
In their own right.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But if you look at the assets and the monetary
value of each person's life before a Housewives came into
play in twenty ten, and then a year later he
starts his agency, leaves the Hilton Group, and now has
built this five point seven four billion dollar empire. That's
a lot of money at Steak in terms of like
(19:19):
professional assets. When you also think about the four children
they have. The first one obviously Kyle got from a
previous relationship, but there's a lot of money at Steak.
There's a lot of families where we have to figure
out who gets what. And I think they have to
protect each other's reputation because if Mauricio did allegedly, allegedly
(19:44):
allegedly cheat on Kyle first, then she has the upper
hand in terms of what she's allowed to get.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Oh yeah, and not for public consumption too. I mean
if they divorce and it gets messy, all of the
dirty laundry is going to be aired, and I don't
think they want that. And so it's almost like, better
keep your enemy closer in that sense of it's better
to not tarnish either of our reputations. Let's figure this out.
Let's just kind of keep the status quo, because to
(20:17):
your points, like the moment that stuff gets out there,
it gets really messy. And even though the Hilton Group
is acting on its own, separate from the agency right now,
I would imagine there are still family ties. Once that
divorce happens, it could be war, not only business to business.
But it's just like you're bringing in a whole new
element of distress and division. And so it's almost like
(20:38):
and I get it, Like I get it. You maybe
wanted to stay married, keep the peace. She can have
her life with whoever she wants, whether that's Morgan or
somebody else. He can have his life doing whatever. And
you have enough money that you can still share a
bank account and everybody's happy. Fine, maybe that works for you,
It works for a lot of people out in Hollywood,
you know. So we'll see if they ever even end
up divorcing.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, Annie, you have to come back on Reality with
the King.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I really enjoyed you in this episode. I love your podcast.
I love everything that you're doing. I'm such a fan.
Once again, let my rain drops know what they can
subscribe to your podcast and also follow you on social media.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, so you can follow me on all platforms, which
is at underscore, Annie e Lease. The podcast is called
serial lesslie so like the word seriously but like serial killer.
And yeah, we do all of our deep dives every Monday.
We also do headline highlights every Thursday, where I talk
about everything happening that week in true crime. We have
a very big deep dive coming up into the Idaho
four case because there has been so much that has
(21:40):
come out this week in that case. So that's coming up.
We've done Ruby Frankie, I mean, you name it, we
cover it.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And she does a great job at breaking down for
people like me who are like all over the place
with work. But she breaks it down so succinctly and
just so like matter of fact to where you don't
feel like you're getting lost in the messaging. So shout
out to Anny Lease for her amazing breakdown and rain draws.
Please please please follow her and subscribe to her podcast,
(22:10):
and Honey, she says she'll come back so you will
see her again, and rain jobs, I will catch you
on the next one.
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the King of Reality TV and one of the most
sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
(00:24):
moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Watch Hey,
rain Drives Today's episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Sure, I can recap episodes here and there, and we
can have a good key key about it, Darling, But
the beauty of Reality with the King, with me being
a producer in this business, is I like to go
a little bit deeper when it comes to the.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Psyche of our favorite reality stars.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So in this episode, we gotta do a deep dive
into Billy Hills.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
The Realhouse Boss at.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Billy Hills is a show that I think we really
need to do a deep dive into the psyche of
these women, the women in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
When it comes to the Mauricio Morgan.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Wade and Kyle Trifecta and I have a very special
guest to break in on down Now listen here, rain Drops.
She needs no introduction, but I'll do it anyway. Her
name is Annie Elise and she's the creator of the
true crime YouTube channel, tent to Life and the Cereal
Sleep cerial Lesslie. Look, I'm saying it wrong because it's
(01:43):
so it's like a talk twister, but it's cereal and
all caps lessly podcasts and honey, she is super smart,
super dynamic, and I'm so happy she gets to join
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So rain Drop give a war Welcome to any elits.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Hi, thank you so much for having me. That was
such a good, like heype man intro, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That was great. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So before we get started, explain to my rain drops
who are living under rock who may not know of
your podcast. Explain to those very few people what you'll
podcast is about what they can't expect from it and
how they can find, subscribe and like it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah. So basically, my podcast, Cereal Leslie is a true
crime podcast. But when I created it, I felt like
there was kind of this void in the space of
hearing about these cases for people who are interested in
true crime. In more of a non sterile, non clinical
way almost where if you've ever watched a Dateline episode
and you're just talking with your friend or for me
(02:51):
it was always my sister, and you're recapping the case,
you want to talk about the red flags, you go
on the social media deep dive all of these things,
and I never really could find anything where somebody would
deliver it in that kind of way. So that's why
I created Cereal Lessly, and so it's more just a casual,
conversational type of way delivering a deep dive into a case.
I go to the trenches of hell when I am researching,
(03:14):
I'm like in the Reddit threads, I'm getting the Foyer requests,
I'm doing the body cam. So it's like I pride
myself on giving a full deep dive into whatever I'm
talking about, and again just kind of doing it in
a way where we can call things like they are,
call out the red flags, call out the shady stuff
that they were posting on social media, and just talk
about it like we're friends.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
What are your thoughts when it comes to this, Kyle
Morgan Way, Maurice col Trifecta in terms of.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Is there.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Is there steaks happening financially, and by steaks, I mean
they clearly don't have any money problems. You know that, thankfully,
that's not one problem that I think that household has, right,
But more money more problems. Right. So we know that
the agency is a multi gazillion dollar agency, and we
(04:13):
know that Kyle and Marisio both got their real estate
license together. He left the Hilton Group, started his own
agency and now has a mass millions, So there's a
lot of money at stake here. Again, we're talking about
the nine to two and zero and we're talking about
the psyche of that particular zip code. Do you think
(04:34):
that when it comes to this very carefully crafted storyline
with the Umanskis and morgan is a lot of it
has to do with the protection of assets, the protection
of reputation of these both titans. And that's why we
as an audience are not getting delivered any sort of
(04:54):
real understanding of what went wrong in their twenty plus
year marriage.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
One thousand percent. Just as you had said earlier that
sometimes with divorce and marriage it's transactional, it's financial, especially
here in the LA and Orange County area. The same
goes for when you are married and whether you're getting
married for financial benefit or divorcing. And it's my belief
the reason they have not divorced yet is one thousand
(05:21):
percent related to the assets. I don't know. I would
imagine that they're smart enough and have gone through enough
together that even if they didn't have a prenup when
they got married, I would imagine there's a post nup
in place. I would just assume that maybe not. I
could be wrong, but my thoughts on the whole Kyle, Morgan,
Mauricio of it all, I definitely think that there has
(05:42):
been strained in the marriage for years. Whether that means
Mauricio has truly been stepping out on her for years
or something else. I think they have been growing apart.
And again it's one of those things, similar to Dewri
and PK, where you start getting older and your lives change.
You just go through different cycles of life, and I
think they started to outgrow each other at that same point.
(06:04):
I think that's when Kyle really started confiding in Morgan,
having this friendship with her, and I believe it's my
belief that there is something more there, or was something more.
I truly believe that because based even not even on
the rumors, but the chemistry that you see on TV
between the two of them, like when they were in
that tattoo shop together, when Morgan came to that event
(06:26):
that Kyle hosted, and when Morico wasn't even there when
it was for her friend who had taken her own life,
and you can just see the physical chemistry, the emotional
chemistry and how Kyle lights up when Morgan's around. Now,
whether they ever acted on that physically, who knows. It's
my guess there probably was some degree of something. But
I think to your point, aside from just financials, it's
(06:48):
about reputation and there's a lot of things at stake here.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
As we know.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The climate of the world is not in a great
condition right now, and Kyle is a public facing person.
And while hopefully the majority of people wouldn't care at
all if she was in a same sex relationship or
having that, No, who cares right Hello, it's twenty twenty five.
But I could see where if there are people that
Mauricio deals with who are maybe more conservative, or if
(07:13):
there's some reason that she's protecting this. I don't think
it's because of her daughters, because she's trying to say
that there's a possibility that they may become a family
again and reunite. Because the kids are grown, they know
that that's not happening. They also see this stuff in
the magazines with Mauricio and his girlfriend, like they know
that's not the reality. So there's something else. And I
(07:35):
don't think it's shame or embarrassment either. We've seen way
worse from all the house. Whis probably even Kyle included,
Like there's some other reason she's trying to protect that.
And in this latest episode, she said something that I
thought was really interesting. At the dinner, She's like, maybe
one day I will have a story to tell, maybe
I will have something to share. And I thought that
(07:55):
was telling because I was like, ugh, I kind of
clocked that as that's a tell you're right now. To me,
I'm saying that as you're admitting that there is something
but that you're not ready to share yet, and that
maybe one day you will be, maybe not on camera,
maybe not for public consumption. But I think that divide
started happening, but I think the Mauricio and Kyle divide
began way before that, and now I think it's just
(08:17):
they're best friends. They grew up together. They have a
beautiful family together. It's hard to walk away from that
and wonder what you're going to do the back half
of your life. And if there's financials involved, it makes
it so much more messy. So it's almost like they
don't want to rip the band aid. Let's just continue
in this like purgatory of whatever it is and hope
that we figure out what we want to do.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, spot on, we are just getting started. This is
reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
back into the show. I have updates for you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Annie. You're ready for this, sister.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Oh I let me get a drink of this Stanley
and hit me.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
All right, So listen up, Annie and the rain Drops.
Kyle and Mauricio did not have a prenuptial agreement when
they married in nineteen ninety six. More Annie, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
But they got a post shut up.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
No, no, no, no, no, guess what. Kyle has stated
that they built everything together in their empire, and they
accumulated their wealth journey together. Kyle has indicated that if
they were to divorce, they would divide their assets evenly.
(09:45):
Kyle has stated that Mauricio did not have much money
when they married, and that the money they.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Have now is our money. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Now, before I get your response, I want to also
read you this, okay. Mauricio co founded the agency in
twenty eleven. The agency has over seventy offices across the
United States, Canada, Mexico, the Netherlands, Tarzan Cacos, the Dominican Republic,
the Cayman Islands, and the Bahamas.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But Annie, there's more.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
The agency has a global sales volume of fifty seven
zero point four billion dollars since its founding, with Mauricio's
networth allegedly being estimated to have a net worth of
one hundred million dollars. Now you live in the state
(10:48):
of California. Is this true in the state of California?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
If you get.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Married with no prenup and you've been married since twenty eleven,
this case that Umanski, So that is fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Wait, they've been merry longer than that. They had to
have been, right, I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I'm lying, I'm lying.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The agency was found in twenty eleven. I'm so sorry
they got married nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
My bad, my bad, my bad.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Soot fifteen years I know, that's almost like thirty years
right in the Sanate of California with no prenup.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Are you entitled to at least have.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
To my knowledge, yes, I think that there's certain stipulations
that come into play, where, of course then it's like
you have alimony, spousal support, child support, things like that.
But to my knowledge anything, it's an equal state. So
once you divorce anything that any shared assets assets are
split fifty to fifty. Now, with that amount of wealth,
you would think that even if they're splitting fifty to fifty,
(11:49):
they're both fine. My wonder is, and I'm just kind
of going off here. I could be wrong, but Kathy
has alluded to certain financial struggles that Mauricio's face. I
think she also did allude to the fact that some
of these agencies aren't independently owned by him, but rather franchised,
so that although he says the agency has over seventy locations,
(12:09):
it's like, yeah, but they're not really all unbrellaed under you.
I don't know if that's true or not, but she
has alluded to there being some financial distress. So even
if call it one hundred million and they each get
fifty million, is there a reason why they're not doing that,
because in order to sustain the business or to do
whatever he's doing on the back end, does he need
(12:32):
access to more than that? Like, That's what I'm wondering.
Is there still a reason even though that is a
huge number and a lot of money, there must be
something else why they're not just calling it and divorcing.
I think is more business and transactional. But that's just
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
There's a lot of money a stake here.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Now, Listen, we all can live off of fifty million
dollars each, right, it's nothing to sneeze at. But I
just believe that at the end of the day, and
we're kind of seeing this a little bit with something
who gets three hundred and fifty thousand dollars per month
from her ex husband, who you know, some people argue
(13:14):
that Sutton helped her ex husband build this company, which
we have heard from the ex husband, so we don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But so I digress.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But there seems to be a power play here because
if you got married in nineteen ninety six and you
both got your real estate license together, and your first
job out of real estate school, if you will, is
working for your wife's brother in law. The Hilton group
(13:44):
is nothing to sneeze at.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
You then, so think about it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Your foray into real estate, if I'm Kyle, your forray
to real estate is at the hands of my family
member mine. And because of this apprenticeship and job or
whatever you want to call it for the many years
you were there, you took that knowledge from my family
(14:11):
member right to start your own agency.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And then what was fascinating is this.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So let me give you guys a little quick history
of this, right because I want to put two and
two together here, just toe see it. We're able to
sort of like have a great understanding of why all
of this is happening. Okay, So with that being said,
in twenty eleven, it's when the agency started.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But this the gag Annie.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills started a year before that. Kyle, ooh,
come on, investigative journalism.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Kyle, go ahead, No no, no, keep going, keep going. I've
been taking it all in.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Kyle appeared on season one of the house Spots of
Beverly Hills in twenty ten. The show debut because I'm
a journalist, Hey, Portia. The show premiered October fourteenth, two
thousand and ten. In two thousand and eleven, a year later, Mauricio.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Starts the agency.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
The reason why this matters to me is because the
visibility of being on this huge show provides a lot
of new clients, a lot of notoriety, and it kind
of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Any but that revelation, girlfriend, what did you think about
all of that?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I would like to know what the financials look like
between ninety six and twenty eleven, because I feel like,
on one hand, you could argue, Okay, maybe he's making
this power play saying, you know what, you were at home,
you raise the kids. I'm the one who built this.
I'm the one who built this multi million dollar empire
that we're on, not taking into consideration the platform that
(16:09):
Housewives gave it. Because let's be honest, nobody heard about
agency really unless they saw it on Housewives first, right,
or a lot of people. So I could see where
he's like, I'm the one who created this, even though
you stayed home with the kids. But then I could
see her argument of like, well, yeah, well, you won't
even have this inside knowledge or these connections if it
wasn't for my family. So like We're not like, go
to hell, that's not happening, you know. And then to
(16:32):
your point, I remember there was like a lot of
friction and bad blood with the Hiltons too, because he
left them and started his own thing. Which is very
interesting that it was one year after Housewives, because that
does seem very intentional to then be able to use
that platform to catapult to success, which he so clearly
did successfully. So I could see where maybe then there's
(16:53):
a good argument on both sides, Like he's the one
who's saying I started the agency in twenty eleven, I
built it to where it is. Even though she was
on Housewives at that point, she still was home with
the kids they were really young. So he could argue,
which I'm very much of the mindset of, if you're
a stay at home mom, but that is equal, if
not a harder job than a corporate job. I mean,
(17:15):
it is not for the faint of heart. I'm not
built to be a stay at home mom. I like
give accolades to anybody who is and so, but I
don't think men understand that. I think men see it
as I'm taking care of the family financially. All you're
doing is the laundry and putting dinner on the table,
not realizing the emotional and mental and everything that goes
into it. And so I could see that being an argument,
(17:35):
but then her of course combating that, being like, well,
first of all, my family is the one that gave
you the contacts and the knowledge. My platform is the
one that put you into spotlight. So no, we're not
doing that. Maybe And I again, though, I think it's
all rooted and why they're not divorcing the financials. There's
no other reason. You're not sleeping together, you're not living together,
you're sleeping with other people. Why wouldn't you divorce unless
(17:58):
it's business, unless it's something on paper. And I think
if they don't have a printup, that makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So any Elise and Carlos King, we have cracked the
code of mist.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They file for a divorce. You know that we're going
to get our hands on those transcripts. I want that degree.
I want to go through everything I want. I'm nosy,
I want to know it all.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You have to come back to decipher the core filings
of the divorce because it is going to be a
a a breakdown and showdown of assets of the assets
because again, the reason why I wanted to bring this
up to you is because the state of California is
(18:43):
ran very differently than a lot of states when it
comes to the divorce of a of a married couple,
especially one where to your point, Annie, both parties arguably
are successful.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
In their own right.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But if you look at the assets and the monetary
value of each person's life before a Housewives came into
play in twenty ten, and then a year later he
starts his agency, leaves the Hilton Group, and now has
built this five point seven four billion dollar empire. That's
a lot of money at Steak in terms of like
(19:19):
professional assets. When you also think about the four children
they have. The first one obviously Kyle got from a
previous relationship, but there's a lot of money at Steak.
There's a lot of families where we have to figure
out who gets what. And I think they have to
protect each other's reputation because if Mauricio did allegedly, allegedly
(19:44):
allegedly cheat on Kyle first, then she has the upper
hand in terms of what she's allowed to get.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Oh yeah, and not for public consumption too. I mean
if they divorce and it gets messy, all of the
dirty laundry is going to be aired, and I don't
think they want that. And so it's almost like, better
keep your enemy closer in that sense of it's better
to not tarnish either of our reputations. Let's figure this out.
Let's just kind of keep the status quo, because to
(20:17):
your points, like the moment that stuff gets out there,
it gets really messy. And even though the Hilton Group
is acting on its own, separate from the agency right now,
I would imagine there are still family ties. Once that
divorce happens, it could be war, not only business to business.
But it's just like you're bringing in a whole new
element of distress and division. And so it's almost like
(20:38):
and I get it, Like I get it. You maybe
wanted to stay married, keep the peace. She can have
her life with whoever she wants, whether that's Morgan or
somebody else. He can have his life doing whatever. And
you have enough money that you can still share a
bank account and everybody's happy. Fine, maybe that works for you,
It works for a lot of people out in Hollywood,
you know. So we'll see if they ever even end
up divorcing.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, Annie, you have to come back on Reality with
the King.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I really enjoyed you in this episode. I love your podcast.
I love everything that you're doing. I'm such a fan.
Once again, let my rain drops know what they can
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Yeah, so you can follow me on all platforms, which
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(21:40):
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We've done Ruby Frankie, I mean, you name it, we
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Speaker 1 (21:48):
And she does a great job at breaking down for
people like me who are like all over the place
with work. But she breaks it down so succinctly and
just so like matter of fact to where you don't
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