October 31, 2025 • 36 mins
Tweet, tweet… a little birdie told us this finale is SPICY! A huge thank you to Alexis for recapping this amazing season with us. So what gave them the ICK this episode? And who do these two think the mysterious caller at the end really was? Listen to find out — and don’t forget to watch this episode on YouTube. You’re in for a hair-raising treat!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh, rain drops, listen.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I know a lot of you listen to the audio
podcast recaps between Alexis and I, but I think you
guys should also watch our YouTube because listen on my
YouTube channel, I upload the video.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
My girl Alexis is in full aluminum foil.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And Carlos Carlos. It's called Reality with the King for
one reason. It's Reality with the King, Okay, because if
we can only recap the finale in my foils, then
we gotta do it because we're not missing the finale.
Holy crap. Let's just say. But like people, you know,
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you gotta like me with foils or without, okay, or
you can hate me. It's fine either way.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Listen. I like you, I love you. Oil or no foil.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
We have to get into this episode, and alexis one
thing by you and I we absolutely reefed the us
honey to just run the gamut of trying to like
go step by step.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We just have to get right into it. This episode.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Left me emotionally drained, dazed, and confused.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And I don't even smoke marijuana.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, let's just like tap right into it. So Gretchen, listen,
tear my Gretchen aside to make up chat GP gave
them a friendship contract, right, they try to have a
memorandum for slave like we're gonna move forward. And then
Gina decides at the group dinner to bring up the
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fact that Gretchen has allegedly been liking all of these
polls in regards to the hatred towards the lgpt Q
plus community. And rightfully so Heather, who look, I know
I giving Heather a hard time being a bad friend,
but one thing's for certain, Heather is a great mom,
and that's one thing that we would.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Not take away from her. She's a great mother.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So these allegations of Gretchen liking these hateful tweets became
the topic of conversation and the moment Gretchen was faced
with it. Listen, you don't have to be producer. You
don't have to be a body language expert.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Bath on human nature.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Sure, gret Chance reaction made me feel like she's guilty.
Alexis talking through your feelings about that. You know these
these these tweets Gretchen's response to it, and what do
you believe?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, first of all, I was so drained from it too,
And I think it's a good thing I wasn't filming
that scene with those ladies because if that had been
information that had been dropped on me, I think Heather
handled it with more poise than I would have handled
it because of my child being LGBTQ plus so I
I mean, I had so many gamuts of emotions running
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through me, just like what you just described about this
whole episode. But first of all, I agree with you
on Gretchen's response, like I think people shut down like
that when they don't know how to get out of
the hole, like like she she didn't act like like
for I mean, I put myself in those shoes, and
it's like if some information was being that detrimental was
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being mentioned about me or said about my character and
about who I am. I would have leapt up really
fast and been like, you guys, this is such bull cry.
I would have been on the phone with you know,
I don't know, my attorney trying to figure out how
why is this happening. I would ask all the people
I would know, like, how did this happen? If I
didn't do it? If I didn't do it. So her
non responsiveness or just calmness to it was almost like
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a show for the camera, like, Okay, I'm not going
to get all riled, I'm going to be calm, col
and collected. So yeah, it was off. It was off
to me. But here's the thing, Spencer, and you know,
I'm Datelight MBC right and on dateline shows. This is
the only reason I kind of tell myself, maybe there's
more to this story. On Datelight EMBAC NBC, they always
have the they always talk about how people handle death differently,
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like someone might cry and rant and rave when they
find out someone just died, someone might pass out, and
someone might just kind of go into shock or none.
So when I put my into those three categories, okay,
Gretchen kind of acted like she was just like a
little shocked. I think it was the more that went
on with the scene that made me feel like no,
because it should have set in by some point of that,
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and it never set in with her, and she never
really had a reaction until the end when they're in
the van and she's screaming and acting like she's crying.
But Carlos, did you know, not one tear fell? She
was acting like, make this make sense, it's not me,
and it's like she was acting, well, there's not one tier.
So that also kind of took me for a loop
a little.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
No, it took me for a loop a lot because
for me, it was sort of like if I'm being
accused of something Alexis Jansen that inherently I just do
not believe.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Right if someone said, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You you know you're racist against you know, non black people,
blah blah blah, I'm would be like, that's a I
would literally say like, that's a motherfucking lie, Like I
would go crazy, like right, like the.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Word just came into my mouth for you. I knew
you were gonna say MF. I was like, Carlos King
would say, that's an any fing lie, because you know,
I cussed last episode. I'm not going to cuss this
episode because I promise. I mean, I knew those words
were going to be your words. I knew that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
There's no way I'm not listen if I'm being accused
at a setting.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Let let's have a real conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm not only in front of these of people who
I consider to be friends, not all of them, but
let's say five out of the six, right on top
of my reputation being on the line, because there's actual
there's actually cameras present. I saw Gretchen have more anger
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towards Katie Janella than being accused of liking hateful tweets
towards my community. It doesn't make any sense she had
this horrific reaction about and.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Crying with tears. I might add with tears her okay, thank.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You with Lexus Jansen when Tamara confronted her in New
Orleans about saying that she was drugged by Tamra, I
never said it. I never said it. Katie's a liar.
I never said it. These women are saying you like
these tweets, Well, I just don't know. I will never
do such a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's not like it's not me, it's not me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean, I would be screaming like I wanted to scream.
I was like, I was kind of putting myself in
Grutchen's shoes, and I'm like, if somebody was accusing me
of something that was so un just damaging and every
aspect of your life and your character and show it,
like I would be screaming and pleading and going, you guys,
to the bottom of it. I will, I promise you,
Like I don't know, I don't I got to figure
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it out. I would be crying. I would be standing
on the table trying to get through to my girlfriends
like and and you know what's funny, Carlos is not
one of them believed her either. Not one of the
girls said, you know, guys, we should listen at the moment.
I mean, I know they did the next day in
the van leaving for the airport, but nobody said, okay, guys,
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let's just we should give grutch On the benefit of
the doubt. They all were like, what the heck, and
why aren't you reacting? Like why aren't you frozen? And
then she has to go and coll Slade.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Which which which look look for me. I'm I'm I'm
sick of it. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I have never in my years of producing reality television
had a female cast member rely solely on their partner, husband, boyfriend,
benefactor telling them what to do in the situations amongst women.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I have never seen it. It's scary to.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Watch, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and
say that she well, let me let me let me
get to your Before I get to that, let me
let me remind a little bit what you said too
about these women.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
On having her back.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Even when Jen was like, look, you are this Christian
woman that you know bysically do you and have.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
The cut her off?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And look, I felt that I would love to get
your pob because obviously you're a Christian and obviously you've
been very open about your faith.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I felt that Jin was trying to help Gretchen maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Explain own that, own it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know what I mean, Alexis, I felt like she
was trying to but have a cut that her ass
off and said, no, bitch, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Did you think Jen was trying to help her but
in the end and hurt her eventually?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Well, I think that I think Jen made a very
valid point because you know faith does it is your
it should be ever your whole, like like that is
the basis of who you are. Your faith right, something
bigger than you, that's what you believe. I know, there's
tons of religions out there. Yes, I am Christian. I
think Jen was trying to help her. I think she
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was also saying, look, just own it. If this is
if this is what you thought, just own it because
you can. You can explain it to us and try
to make it make sense for us, but own it first.
And if it was your faith that puts you to
where you're saying, you know, hate or liking hate rhetoric,
then own it and let's let's move past it. Because
this is what the women don't want is to move
forward and lies because of like what just happened with
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the whole beginning of the season with Katie. They don't
want to move forward with lies. They want the truth
to be told and then let's move on with the
truth and sit in the truth and figure it out
from there. So I think that Gretchen definitely could have
owned it at that moment. I think it was a
very valid point that maybe her faith is what you know,
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I don't know what that word is. I'm trying to
think of right now. But helped her decides or made
her decide she wanted to like these Instagram accounts or
even follow them. That's the other point of this, Carlosa.
She was following them, not just liking something. It was
like she was following these accounts, which is brought up later,
you know, a little bit further down the scene. So yeah,
it's I wish that, you know, she would have just
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owned it. I don't think she should have called her
fiance at the moment. I think that she should have
had a bigger reaction. So all of that, But at
the same time, I still felt really icky, didn't you like,
I still felt I kind of felt lot for her
almost because of it, but I and I felt it
felt icky.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
No, No, it doesn't fault Ikey.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Listen, I'm gonna be completely honest. I didn't feel bad
for Gretchen at all, because I do believe she liked
those tweets. And we'll get we'll get to we'll get
to what happened afterwards. But before we get to that,
I know the audience is somewhat confused because we weren't
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able to really and fully see exactly what the the tweets.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Were that she liked.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So what I want to do as a journalist, Hey Portia,
is to at least allow my audience to understand what
she was being accused of, because there is a thread
that is on Twitter that Tama reposted that says, this
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is a thread exposing Gretchen Rossi's problematic use racism, homophobia, transphobia,
COVID miss or COVID misinformation, anti abortion.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Stances and more so, these.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Are some of the things that Gretchen is a cues
of liking, whether it's abortion, homophobic post suggesting what we
talked about last week ho homosexuality is linked to pedophilia.
She allegedly liked that. She allegedly liked posts dating back
to sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Now, what we.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Did learn when Gretchen called Slade once again, I thought
it was produced because in my opinion, I think Gretchen
gab s Lada heads up, texting how I'm going to
call you? This is what's going on. He was able
to sort of like defend her right. You don't have
to defend your stance. You know who you are. And
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at the end of the day, Tamra set of Gates Lur.
When you type in Tamra Gatesler, there's something comes up.
When you type in your name in Gates Blert, nothing
comes up. So look, that was Slade's way of defending
her sort of blase reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
By the way, by the way, how did Slade have
if if Gretchen really hadn't prepared him, how did producer
Slade have all of that information just ready to go.
Not like if my husband had just called me and said, Alexis,
you're not gonna believe that they just accused me of
on camera. I'm gonna be like, oh my gosh, I'm
not gonna have this like a whole thing ready to
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go for something you just found out about, your dumb
out of You're like, well them, like, don't even listen
to them. You know better than that. That's not who
we are. I'm not gonna have a laundry list of
Oh but do this and then you can google tamer
and see her name and do It's just it all
was very produced and very already there, you know what
I mean, Like the information was already there in Slade's pocket.
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It wasn't He's not that fast on his feet. Okay,
he's not gonna think about the Gosler all of a
sudden when this all just came up and it's just
like thrown at him at like the our time zone different,
Like how who even knows what time of the day
it was for Slade that she just called him wakes
him up and it's like she's an Amsterdam. He's in
the United States. It's like, oh, honey, I just got
to to this. Oh well, let me go down my
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let me know my rolodexive information I have about what
camer has done to me, and here go back to
the gay Sler. Okay, no, it doesn't happen that fast.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Laughing at my hair?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Are you laughing at this?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Okay, look now, the hairs everything, I'm laughing. I'm laughing
at the fact that you are so right. It's funny.
I've been thinking about the time.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Then, friends, like, I'm not prepared with the fucking time
difference of you calling me a boustle on a crisis
you're at and I have.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And I'm watching our kid, yes.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And I'm calm. He's calm too, and he's.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Ready to go with information, and so I'm like, this
shit is weird. To me, so after the ladies are
really trying to tell which you know what's so funny
to me? I felt that the rest of the girls,
and this is where bias is on a whole other
level when it comes to these women, they they were
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pretty much trying to tell Gretchen how she should respond
and give her the benefit of a doubt. So even
when she tried to produce in a visceral reaction after
being iced out and not going to the band, which look,
I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this, and this
may not be popular, and I'm five with that because
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I speak the truth. I did feel like, okay, the
same way I felt when Emily told Katie to get
the fuck out, and I'm like, who the fuck are you,
Emily Simpson. I did not like the fact that Gretchen
was not allowed on the car. I did feel like,
I don't like to see anyone being ice out. I
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think at the end of the day, if if you
feel like, okay, you could have said.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
This, then she's on the show and that's.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Not her fucking sprints van As Productions and Gauls is
showing you now when company's women, they do have this
weird sense of being empowered by icing out someone that
they feel like in the moment deserves it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And I will give Gretchen that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I did not like that, And I felt that Gretcha's
anger was only produced by herself because she was being
iced down.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that's where she tried to produce tears even then,
And that was the moment the creative of her to
want to is because she was getting iced out and
she still couldn't get a tear to come out, so
she was It's just like she was really lost and
she needed more production from Slade. She needed Slade to
help her figure out what am I supposed to do
in this situation. But I agree with you, and that's
why when I said a few minutes ago, I do
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feel bad for Gretchen. I don't think it's right. Doing
two wrongs don't make it right. So just because she
messed up and is liking hate rhetoric doesn't mean that
the other women need to stoop down and then just
bully her or ice her out. I mean, I get
it that you're disgusted by it. I get it that
you need to have long conversations with her about this
and figure it out. You can just give her the
silent treatment in the car. You don't need to do
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two wrongs to make a right. So that's where my
compassion does and empathy does come in for it, because
almost every single one of those women have been iced
out at some point, including me season seven, okay, so
and last season. I mean at the reunion, I was
iced out. They obviously did not have my back. I
was completely on an island by myself. Doesn't feel good,
and so I don't. I don't condone that, no matter
what you know, like, but you know, moving forward with it,
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it's it's I even didn't like Gretchen's replies in her
interview the confessionals, like, I still didn't even I didn't
even feel like she did herself justice. If she really
didn't do it, she didn't do herself any justice.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show. I want to ask
you this too, So the next day this listen, I'm
trying so hard to really find the silver lighting in
some of these women's biased but I can't because it's biased.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I got angry. I'm just being honest with you, Alexis
I got angry.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You've been iceed out before, Tam has been iceed out, before,
Noel has been iced out, before, Katie Janella has been
iced out. So all of a sudden, the ladies go
to sleep, they wake up and now they feel super
bad about what happened to Gretchen. And now they have
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a moral compass, not the compass that's taken up back
to the airport, but a compass of morality because they
feel like, well, you know, look when Gina said, I
just feel bad because you can't destroy someone's life, are
you fucking kidding me? You destroyed Katie Janella's life. She
is not been allowed to film with you, ladies.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You that's that's what.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So all of a sudden you feel that way. And
then to say I would hate Heather. I wouldn't hate
to accuse someone of something that isn't true. Excuse me
because Alexis walked it too. If you followed these accounts
and you don't see that someone didn't like them a
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year ago, I believe, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Allegedly that Regretchen was back on the show.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You can unlike some things because things come, things are
on earth. But it was the fact that these women
are so fucking filled with contradictions that it makes it
hard to enjoy these ladies as much as I.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Want to.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I I was ready to throw my my laptop down
the ground and just and just numb all over it
because I can't take the bab I just can't take it.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Katie didn't never deserve the same grace, y, I go ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yes, and and and by the way, Carlos, what Katie
Jella is being accused of is one, I mean, a
speck of grant a sand compared to what Gretchen just
got accused of. Okay, but they all of a sudden
had a change of heart, like you said when they
went to bed that night, like like what sparked this sudden? Oh,
let's give her some compassion because she sure didn't do
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it herself any justice and trying to explain to them
why or how or what or that she would, you know,
defend herself and by any spread of the word, I mean,
it's just like I I was very baffled by that.
The women seem very fickle, I think is the words
you're looking for. They were very fickle with the situation
because they were flip flopping back and forth, and everyone
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just needs to have a stance and take that stance.
I mean, that's what the bottom line is. Just take
have a stance and and make Gretchen prove otherwise, like
if she didn't do it, make her prove it. Okay,
which we're going to get to that phone call that
we heard the girl. I don't know if you want
to speed up to there, but any girl that's a
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whole go oh oh, you're gonna let me. You're gonna
let me go first, because I don't know if you're
gonna agree with me or not, Carlos, But you know,
I don't really give a care if anyone agrees, if
you or not. My opinion and guess what and Tamera's words,
it's my opinion yet Okay, it's my opinion. Okay that
phone call. First of all, it was a muffled voice.
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How do you why if someone's coming forth with valuable
information that is one hundred percent true, are you muffling
a voice? Secondly, I rewound it probably five times. The
way some of the words came out, it sounded to
me like Slade, please forgive me everyone if you just
think I'm jumping to that, But it did to me, okay,
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And the other part that really caught my attention, I'm like,
what the hell this is? So it's so scripted, and
it's so like, none of it makes sense. It doesn't
make sense. Why did Gina say at that one point
there was some point where she goes, oh wait, does
the couse back up? Why is this person who's got
all this knowledge that any housewife, husband, boyfriend, fiance, sister, mother, daughter,
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kid could know. Because they're filming a reality show and
there's seven or eight women, and all of those women
have an entire family that know everything that go on
during the field trips and the places that these women go.
That is information that is not so oh my goodness,
it's just facts from if you're a friend of a fan,
Like if I was feeling, Johnny knew everything I was
doing all day long? So did my kids? I come home,
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I'd vent to my kids. And I have adult kids, obviously,
you know every single one of those women have people
in their circle that know where they are, what transpired,
and and you know so and if Tampa had done this,
This is the other point that really got me. And
I know Tammer's my friend, and I don't I don't
want to sound like, oh, it's Tammer's all this and
all that. She's not. Okay, she's a human and she
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could f up to But the other part is why,
if tamer really did do all this that this phony
caller said she did, why wasn't information leaked earlier? Why
is it all of a sudden now there's just so
much that didn't make sense. Carlos, you know, it's the
phoniest thing I've ever heard. I hope America feels that
and they're not sitting there buying it, because I give
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America credit and I think they are smarter, you know, smart,
So I just hope they don't buy it. But I
wanted to hear your opinion, and I thought you might
argue with me or disagree. I don't know, So.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You go now, yeah, yeah, okay, going, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Look, I said it once, I said it twice, I
said it three times. Here's the fourth Tamra, Judge. These
ladies are not your friends. They don't like you. They
actually woke up the next morning feeling bad, Regretchen and
turns around on you saying, well, we thought about it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
If you have this information for over a year or two.
Why bring it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Up unless these ladies have never been on reality TV
for the past couple of seasons.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They all know that.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Listen, I'm gonna say two things that are true. Ninety
of reality stars talk to bloggers, and it is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And listen. But but be clear what I'm saying. I'm
just saying they give bloggers information. That's a very different thing.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
They do talk to bloggers, right, it is what it is,
news flash.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They all do.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Now, well I don't. I don't, so I don't. I
don't agree with the nine nine. Maybe it's I don't
think I will say hi to the bloggers on the
red carpet or when we're out or when I see somebody.
And then they're like, oh, we have a lot of
bloggers don't admit, by the way, what their blogs are
because they know they bullshit talk. Oh gosh, they talk
bad about you behind your back on some episodes, and
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then they they don't really want you to know that
I'm Eric and I run the Real Housewives, you know,
two to two blogside or whatever, you know what I mean.
They don't want to be told. They don't want anyone
to know. But when you do meet one or two
of them. I do say hi to them, but I
don't talk to bloggers, so I don't know. I'm confused
and perplexed by all that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, no, and the thing is this, I said ninety
nine percent, you're part of the one percent tile out
of because the thing is this selecxis there are I
believe the number is four hundred housewives, whether past present
like so okay, which is which is crazy because a lot,
it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So that's number one.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Now flip this on camera, and let's be clear, is
not in a sense, in the sense of not doing things.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That I disagreed with. I keep saying over over again,
rain drops the way she.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Was talking to Shannon last season or the season before
I got what it was the last season.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
On this podcast that I hated her, calling her drunk.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I told Sherb personally, I think this does look good
for you. I can't defend this in the worst of
Kyle Richards, this is indefensible. I can't defend this, and
she understood, but she had a reason that that's fine.
I don't think at all that Tamar Judge orchestrated this,
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this smear campaign against Gretchen, I thank you guys. I
hope you guys are smart enough to understand. Why is
it be convenience that a week after okay, a week
after they filmed, all of a sudden, Gina gets DMS
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from people, Emily gets DMS from somebody, and they're alleging
that this person has DM them before. If that's the case,
show me the receipts, show me the receipts. Let me
let me see data back in twenty twenty three, twenty
twenty four, that this person allegedly DMG.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But you mean to tell me you want Carlos King
and Alexis Janssen.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
To believe that a week after filming, this random person.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Decided to have a moral compass and spill all the
tamer's tea.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Why would he wait until she was quote unquote exposed.
Why not do it throughout the whole season? Why not
do it after the episode airs? It was fake, It
was phony. It's sounded like Slade. I'm not saying it
was Slade, it did sound like him. It was muffled.
I don't know why I was muffoled, Because when you
are recording a conversation, that person has to sign an
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appearance release so.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You can use their likeness and do with the what
you may.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It goes to show you that I believe this was
orchestrated by Grishna, Slade and Tamer to me, is innocent
in this in this.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Wait a second, you just confused. Man. I am a
smart person. Okay, I know, I don't know it sounds
smart on national television, but I have a brain. Wait
you're okay, so are you? Wait? This was This is
a light bulb moment for me. So you're right. Because
for them to be able to use that recording of
a muffled voice as a producer, I'm asking you this
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that the show had to have that person sign off
to be on national television.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yes, the girls couldn't.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
What I'm saying is what I'm asking is Gina could
not have just played that unless that person that is
the muffled fake voice signed off something for Bravo to
use it. Correct.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yes, Yes, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Brilliant, Carlos, Because there you go, so so so production
does know who is behind this voice, so we get
at the bottom of it if she really wanted to.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
The person when you when you're using someone's likeness. Right,
And I'm gonna take you back to Potomac episode last
week when the First Lady of Maryland was at the event.
They said she was there and she actually hugged the
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other housewives Alexis, but they couldn't show her.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And and what what the producers did?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
They wrote on the screen the First Lady did not
want to be filmed because she did not sign a relief,
so they could not use.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Her like this as her her voice or anything.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
When you're using someone's voice rain drops at the producer,
they have to sile off on it.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So then Tameron Judge, I'm going to talk to you
through this podcast because I hope she'll listen to it.
She's my friend. But anyway, you need to get from
production who that phony voice is and get to the
bottom of that, because if they signed it, then they
can't be so phony and keep miss you know, canceling
their account, bring their account back using a phony voice,
dming and then erasing and like all the things that
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don't make sense. Because if you're if you're an authentic person,
you're not gonna care what your voice sounds like, right,
You're not gonna care if you you're gonna have to
delete your account and open it back up again. That's
all shady things that people do that don't want to
be known because it's not authentic. So there you go, Tamra,
we just helped you, Carlos and I you pay us later.
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We just helped figure.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, No, I don't buy it for one second.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Even when Gretchen and Sleigh were talking in the kitchen
about what just happened, she still did not seem like
a person that was accused of something she didn't do.
You know, I go back to when you watch these
shows and how these women have big reactions, like, for example,
the Cocomnissant multiple partners, you felt like it's so true.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Though yees. Bickie was like, Laura, you fucking bitch. I
never slept my MultiMate partners.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
That's not me. I filmed that season, I was there
at that exact same I missed me some Vicky Gumble said, Okay, Carlos,
I just I'm just having to take a moment away
from all this heavy, heavy crap.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But but she.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Would have been like like like, oh my gosh, it's
so true. It's so true.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's no, it is it is and listen, I think
what and and.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So look, that's that's that's my theory.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I I I don't think Tamra had anything to do
with it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I mean, I know a lot of you guys just
don't like her. That's fine, She's a polar rifing figure. Yeah,
but if you guys look at the fact, it doesn't
make sense that a week after they take that dinner
scene in a private room, right that this guy had information.
He had information because there's somebody in that private room
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that leaps to him in order for him to coist
a dentally DM everybody to say, Hey, guys, guess what
Tama was telling me?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
These things I don't buy. I don't buy. I don't
buy for a second.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, I'm curious to see what we're going to get
in the comment section on the feedback and what I
really am curious what viewers are feeling at this moment,
because this one is so this one is so well,
it's super deep to me, unto you. Also because I
know we're in the LGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So I I.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
It really hits home for me and I have this
I mean, actually, I'm usually pretty opinionated him. I was
gonna say, I have a really big opinion about this one,
but I can't really say that because I'm opinionated about everything,
so scratch that. But it hits home and I don't.
I cannot wait, honestly, Carlos for the reunion, Like this
is one of them where I'm like, I already have
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my high blood pressure because I'm just like, the reunion's
a whole other week away. We have to wait six
more days. Oh yeah, I need more information. I do
need more information on it. They left us the big cliffhanger, Carlos,
the big cliffhanger.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Now, and look that's the job of the producers.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And listen, fantastic work because you got Alexis and I
activated in anticipating the three part re union. And look,
we can't wait, so rain jobs. Let Alexis and I know.
In the comments, do you guys agree with our theory
that this was a scheme that Slagh set.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Up and it's not?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yes, okay, okay, love that, and let's take it one
step further. Please comment and let us know. If you
don't think it's a scheme, please give us why, because
I do want to I want to I like valid points.
I like validity and the truth. I want to hear
if they don't agree, and they feel confident that this
is real, please tell us why I agree. I will
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look this information for your So, Katie and Tamara are
throwing a watch party next week for the read first reunion,
and guess who's going little Bitty Booby Group. Yeah, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Not gonna fly to the Orange County ship.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well will you? Will you come?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Let me look at my calendar? Girl, I don't know, Lizzy,
let's talk about it. Look, it ain't.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Easy to get here. I know where you're at. But
but if you can come.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
If I'm unable to make it, please report back and
let us know all about this shin dig. But god,
you heard it here first Katie at Tamor, I'm having
a watch party. Alexis would be there reporting live for
Reality with the King podcast and I can't wait to
hear it back. Thank you, Alexis. Get your hair dune, girl,
and I will see you. I gotta go to.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
The sink right now, get these fools out people. Gotta
have my blonde hair come back without frying it. So
love you all. See you next week.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Love you baby, thank you, Love you. Reality with the
King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by
Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
The Lack of Effect Network.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
You can also find us on my YouTube channel at
the Carlos King Underscore
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh, rain drops, listen.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I know a lot of you listen to the audio
podcast recaps between Alexis and I, but I think you
guys should also watch our YouTube because listen on my
YouTube channel, I upload the video.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
My girl Alexis is in full aluminum foil.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And Carlos Carlos. It's called Reality with the King for
one reason. It's Reality with the King, Okay, because if
we can only recap the finale in my foils, then
we gotta do it because we're not missing the finale.
Holy crap. Let's just say. But like people, you know,
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you gotta like me with foils or without, okay, or
you can hate me. It's fine either way.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Listen. I like you, I love you. Oil or no foil.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
We have to get into this episode, and alexis one
thing by you and I we absolutely reefed the us
honey to just run the gamut of trying to like
go step by step.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We just have to get right into it. This episode.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Left me emotionally drained, dazed, and confused.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And I don't even smoke marijuana.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, let's just like tap right into it. So Gretchen, listen,
tear my Gretchen aside to make up chat GP gave
them a friendship contract, right, they try to have a
memorandum for slave like we're gonna move forward. And then
Gina decides at the group dinner to bring up the
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fact that Gretchen has allegedly been liking all of these
polls in regards to the hatred towards the lgpt Q
plus community. And rightfully so Heather, who look, I know
I giving Heather a hard time being a bad friend,
but one thing's for certain, Heather is a great mom,
and that's one thing that we would.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Not take away from her. She's a great mother.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So these allegations of Gretchen liking these hateful tweets became
the topic of conversation and the moment Gretchen was faced
with it. Listen, you don't have to be producer. You
don't have to be a body language expert.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Bath on human nature.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Sure, gret Chance reaction made me feel like she's guilty.
Alexis talking through your feelings about that. You know these
these these tweets Gretchen's response to it, and what do
you believe?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, first of all, I was so drained from it too,
And I think it's a good thing I wasn't filming
that scene with those ladies because if that had been
information that had been dropped on me, I think Heather
handled it with more poise than I would have handled
it because of my child being LGBTQ plus so I
I mean, I had so many gamuts of emotions running
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through me, just like what you just described about this
whole episode. But first of all, I agree with you
on Gretchen's response, like I think people shut down like
that when they don't know how to get out of
the hole, like like she she didn't act like like
for I mean, I put myself in those shoes, and
it's like if some information was being that detrimental was
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being mentioned about me or said about my character and
about who I am. I would have leapt up really
fast and been like, you guys, this is such bull cry.
I would have been on the phone with you know,
I don't know, my attorney trying to figure out how
why is this happening. I would ask all the people
I would know, like, how did this happen? If I
didn't do it? If I didn't do it. So her
non responsiveness or just calmness to it was almost like
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a show for the camera, like, Okay, I'm not going
to get all riled, I'm going to be calm, col
and collected. So yeah, it was off. It was off
to me. But here's the thing, Spencer, and you know,
I'm Datelight MBC right and on dateline shows. This is
the only reason I kind of tell myself, maybe there's
more to this story. On Datelight EMBAC NBC, they always
have the they always talk about how people handle death differently,
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like someone might cry and rant and rave when they
find out someone just died, someone might pass out, and
someone might just kind of go into shock or none.
So when I put my into those three categories, okay,
Gretchen kind of acted like she was just like a
little shocked. I think it was the more that went
on with the scene that made me feel like no,
because it should have set in by some point of that,
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and it never set in with her, and she never
really had a reaction until the end when they're in
the van and she's screaming and acting like she's crying.
But Carlos, did you know, not one tear fell? She
was acting like, make this make sense, it's not me,
and it's like she was acting, well, there's not one tier.
So that also kind of took me for a loop
a little.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
No, it took me for a loop a lot because
for me, it was sort of like if I'm being
accused of something Alexis Jansen that inherently I just do
not believe.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Right if someone said, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You you know you're racist against you know, non black people,
blah blah blah, I'm would be like, that's a I
would literally say like, that's a motherfucking lie, Like I
would go crazy, like right, like the.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Word just came into my mouth for you. I knew
you were gonna say MF. I was like, Carlos King
would say, that's an any fing lie, because you know,
I cussed last episode. I'm not going to cuss this
episode because I promise. I mean, I knew those words
were going to be your words. I knew that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
There's no way I'm not listen if I'm being accused
at a setting.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Let let's have a real conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm not only in front of these of people who
I consider to be friends, not all of them, but
let's say five out of the six, right on top
of my reputation being on the line, because there's actual
there's actually cameras present. I saw Gretchen have more anger
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towards Katie Janella than being accused of liking hateful tweets
towards my community. It doesn't make any sense she had
this horrific reaction about and.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Crying with tears. I might add with tears her okay, thank.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You with Lexus Jansen when Tamara confronted her in New
Orleans about saying that she was drugged by Tamra, I
never said it. I never said it. Katie's a liar.
I never said it. These women are saying you like
these tweets, Well, I just don't know. I will never
do such a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's not like it's not me, it's not me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean, I would be screaming like I wanted to scream.
I was like, I was kind of putting myself in
Grutchen's shoes, and I'm like, if somebody was accusing me
of something that was so un just damaging and every
aspect of your life and your character and show it,
like I would be screaming and pleading and going, you guys,
to the bottom of it. I will, I promise you,
Like I don't know, I don't I got to figure
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it out. I would be crying. I would be standing
on the table trying to get through to my girlfriends
like and and you know what's funny, Carlos is not
one of them believed her either. Not one of the
girls said, you know, guys, we should listen at the moment.
I mean, I know they did the next day in
the van leaving for the airport, but nobody said, okay, guys,
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let's just we should give grutch On the benefit of
the doubt. They all were like, what the heck, and
why aren't you reacting? Like why aren't you frozen? And
then she has to go and coll Slade.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Which which which look look for me. I'm I'm I'm
sick of it. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I have never in my years of producing reality television
had a female cast member rely solely on their partner, husband, boyfriend,
benefactor telling them what to do in the situations amongst women.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I have never seen it. It's scary to.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Watch, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and
say that she well, let me let me let me
get to your Before I get to that, let me
let me remind a little bit what you said too
about these women.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
On having her back.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Even when Jen was like, look, you are this Christian
woman that you know bysically do you and have.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
The cut her off?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And look, I felt that I would love to get
your pob because obviously you're a Christian and obviously you've
been very open about your faith.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I felt that Jin was trying to help Gretchen maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Explain own that, own it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know what I mean, Alexis, I felt like she
was trying to but have a cut that her ass
off and said, no, bitch, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Did you think Jen was trying to help her but
in the end and hurt her eventually?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Well, I think that I think Jen made a very
valid point because you know faith does it is your
it should be ever your whole, like like that is
the basis of who you are. Your faith right, something
bigger than you, that's what you believe. I know, there's
tons of religions out there. Yes, I am Christian. I
think Jen was trying to help her. I think she
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was also saying, look, just own it. If this is
if this is what you thought, just own it because
you can. You can explain it to us and try
to make it make sense for us, but own it first.
And if it was your faith that puts you to
where you're saying, you know, hate or liking hate rhetoric,
then own it and let's let's move past it. Because
this is what the women don't want is to move
forward and lies because of like what just happened with
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the whole beginning of the season with Katie. They don't
want to move forward with lies. They want the truth
to be told and then let's move on with the
truth and sit in the truth and figure it out
from there. So I think that Gretchen definitely could have
owned it at that moment. I think it was a
very valid point that maybe her faith is what you know,
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I don't know what that word is. I'm trying to
think of right now. But helped her decides or made
her decide she wanted to like these Instagram accounts or
even follow them. That's the other point of this, Carlosa.
She was following them, not just liking something. It was
like she was following these accounts, which is brought up later,
you know, a little bit further down the scene. So yeah,
it's I wish that, you know, she would have just
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owned it. I don't think she should have called her
fiance at the moment. I think that she should have
had a bigger reaction. So all of that, But at
the same time, I still felt really icky, didn't you like,
I still felt I kind of felt lot for her
almost because of it, but I and I felt it
felt icky.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
No, No, it doesn't fault Ikey.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Listen, I'm gonna be completely honest. I didn't feel bad
for Gretchen at all, because I do believe she liked
those tweets. And we'll get we'll get to we'll get
to what happened afterwards. But before we get to that,
I know the audience is somewhat confused because we weren't
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able to really and fully see exactly what the the tweets.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Were that she liked.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So what I want to do as a journalist, Hey Portia,
is to at least allow my audience to understand what
she was being accused of, because there is a thread
that is on Twitter that Tama reposted that says, this
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is a thread exposing Gretchen Rossi's problematic use racism, homophobia, transphobia,
COVID miss or COVID misinformation, anti abortion.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Stances and more so, these.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Are some of the things that Gretchen is a cues
of liking, whether it's abortion, homophobic post suggesting what we
talked about last week ho homosexuality is linked to pedophilia.
She allegedly liked that. She allegedly liked posts dating back
to sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Now, what we.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Did learn when Gretchen called Slade once again, I thought
it was produced because in my opinion, I think Gretchen
gab s Lada heads up, texting how I'm going to
call you? This is what's going on. He was able
to sort of like defend her right. You don't have
to defend your stance. You know who you are. And
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at the end of the day, Tamra set of Gates Lur.
When you type in Tamra Gatesler, there's something comes up.
When you type in your name in Gates Blert, nothing
comes up. So look, that was Slade's way of defending
her sort of blase reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
By the way, by the way, how did Slade have
if if Gretchen really hadn't prepared him, how did producer
Slade have all of that information just ready to go.
Not like if my husband had just called me and said, Alexis,
you're not gonna believe that they just accused me of
on camera. I'm gonna be like, oh my gosh, I'm
not gonna have this like a whole thing ready to
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go for something you just found out about, your dumb
out of You're like, well them, like, don't even listen
to them. You know better than that. That's not who
we are. I'm not gonna have a laundry list of
Oh but do this and then you can google tamer
and see her name and do It's just it all
was very produced and very already there, you know what
I mean, Like the information was already there in Slade's pocket.
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It wasn't He's not that fast on his feet. Okay,
he's not gonna think about the Gosler all of a
sudden when this all just came up and it's just
like thrown at him at like the our time zone different,
Like how who even knows what time of the day
it was for Slade that she just called him wakes
him up and it's like she's an Amsterdam. He's in
the United States. It's like, oh, honey, I just got
to to this. Oh well, let me go down my
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let me know my rolodexive information I have about what
camer has done to me, and here go back to
the gay Sler. Okay, no, it doesn't happen that fast.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Laughing at my hair?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Are you laughing at this?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Okay, look now, the hairs everything, I'm laughing. I'm laughing
at the fact that you are so right. It's funny.
I've been thinking about the time.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Then, friends, like, I'm not prepared with the fucking time
difference of you calling me a boustle on a crisis
you're at and I have.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And I'm watching our kid, yes.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And I'm calm. He's calm too, and he's.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Ready to go with information, and so I'm like, this
shit is weird. To me, so after the ladies are
really trying to tell which you know what's so funny
to me? I felt that the rest of the girls,
and this is where bias is on a whole other
level when it comes to these women, they they were
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pretty much trying to tell Gretchen how she should respond
and give her the benefit of a doubt. So even
when she tried to produce in a visceral reaction after
being iced out and not going to the band, which look,
I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this, and this
may not be popular, and I'm five with that because
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I speak the truth. I did feel like, okay, the
same way I felt when Emily told Katie to get
the fuck out, and I'm like, who the fuck are you,
Emily Simpson. I did not like the fact that Gretchen
was not allowed on the car. I did feel like,
I don't like to see anyone being ice out. I
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think at the end of the day, if if you
feel like, okay, you could have said.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
This, then she's on the show and that's.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Not her fucking sprints van As Productions and Gauls is
showing you now when company's women, they do have this
weird sense of being empowered by icing out someone that
they feel like in the moment deserves it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And I will give Gretchen that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I did not like that, And I felt that Gretcha's
anger was only produced by herself because she was being
iced down.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that's where she tried to produce tears even then,
And that was the moment the creative of her to
want to is because she was getting iced out and
she still couldn't get a tear to come out, so
she was It's just like she was really lost and
she needed more production from Slade. She needed Slade to
help her figure out what am I supposed to do
in this situation. But I agree with you, and that's
why when I said a few minutes ago, I do
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feel bad for Gretchen. I don't think it's right. Doing
two wrongs don't make it right. So just because she
messed up and is liking hate rhetoric doesn't mean that
the other women need to stoop down and then just
bully her or ice her out. I mean, I get
it that you're disgusted by it. I get it that
you need to have long conversations with her about this
and figure it out. You can just give her the
silent treatment in the car. You don't need to do
(18:10):
two wrongs to make a right. So that's where my
compassion does and empathy does come in for it, because
almost every single one of those women have been iced
out at some point, including me season seven, okay, so
and last season. I mean at the reunion, I was
iced out. They obviously did not have my back. I
was completely on an island by myself. Doesn't feel good,
and so I don't. I don't condone that, no matter
what you know, like, but you know, moving forward with it,
(18:35):
it's it's I even didn't like Gretchen's replies in her
interview the confessionals, like, I still didn't even I didn't
even feel like she did herself justice. If she really
didn't do it, she didn't do herself any justice.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show. I want to ask
you this too, So the next day this listen, I'm
trying so hard to really find the silver lighting in
some of these women's biased but I can't because it's biased.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I got angry. I'm just being honest with you, Alexis
I got angry.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You've been iceed out before, Tam has been iceed out, before,
Noel has been iced out, before, Katie Janella has been
iced out. So all of a sudden, the ladies go
to sleep, they wake up and now they feel super
bad about what happened to Gretchen. And now they have
(19:39):
a moral compass, not the compass that's taken up back
to the airport, but a compass of morality because they
feel like, well, you know, look when Gina said, I
just feel bad because you can't destroy someone's life, are
you fucking kidding me? You destroyed Katie Janella's life. She
is not been allowed to film with you, ladies.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You that's that's what.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So all of a sudden you feel that way. And
then to say I would hate Heather. I wouldn't hate
to accuse someone of something that isn't true. Excuse me
because Alexis walked it too. If you followed these accounts
and you don't see that someone didn't like them a
(20:25):
year ago, I believe, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Allegedly that Regretchen was back on the show.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
You can unlike some things because things come, things are
on earth. But it was the fact that these women
are so fucking filled with contradictions that it makes it
hard to enjoy these ladies as much as I.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Want to.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I I was ready to throw my my laptop down
the ground and just and just numb all over it
because I can't take the bab I just can't take it.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Katie didn't never deserve the same grace, y, I go ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yes, and and and by the way, Carlos, what Katie
Jella is being accused of is one, I mean, a
speck of grant a sand compared to what Gretchen just
got accused of. Okay, but they all of a sudden
had a change of heart, like you said when they
went to bed that night, like like what sparked this sudden? Oh,
let's give her some compassion because she sure didn't do
(21:26):
it herself any justice and trying to explain to them
why or how or what or that she would, you know,
defend herself and by any spread of the word, I mean,
it's just like I I was very baffled by that.
The women seem very fickle, I think is the words
you're looking for. They were very fickle with the situation
because they were flip flopping back and forth, and everyone
(21:47):
just needs to have a stance and take that stance.
I mean, that's what the bottom line is. Just take
have a stance and and make Gretchen prove otherwise, like
if she didn't do it, make her prove it. Okay,
which we're going to get to that phone call that
we heard the girl. I don't know if you want
to speed up to there, but any girl that's a
(22:09):
whole go oh oh, you're gonna let me. You're gonna
let me go first, because I don't know if you're
gonna agree with me or not, Carlos, But you know,
I don't really give a care if anyone agrees, if
you or not. My opinion and guess what and Tamera's words,
it's my opinion yet Okay, it's my opinion. Okay that
phone call. First of all, it was a muffled voice.
(22:33):
How do you why if someone's coming forth with valuable
information that is one hundred percent true, are you muffling
a voice? Secondly, I rewound it probably five times. The
way some of the words came out, it sounded to
me like Slade, please forgive me everyone if you just
think I'm jumping to that, But it did to me, okay,
(22:55):
And the other part that really caught my attention, I'm like,
what the hell this is? So it's so scripted, and
it's so like, none of it makes sense. It doesn't
make sense. Why did Gina say at that one point
there was some point where she goes, oh wait, does
the couse back up? Why is this person who's got
all this knowledge that any housewife, husband, boyfriend, fiance, sister, mother, daughter,
(23:19):
kid could know. Because they're filming a reality show and
there's seven or eight women, and all of those women
have an entire family that know everything that go on
during the field trips and the places that these women go.
That is information that is not so oh my goodness,
it's just facts from if you're a friend of a fan,
Like if I was feeling, Johnny knew everything I was
doing all day long? So did my kids? I come home,
(23:40):
I'd vent to my kids. And I have adult kids, obviously,
you know every single one of those women have people
in their circle that know where they are, what transpired,
and and you know so and if Tampa had done this,
This is the other point that really got me. And
I know Tammer's my friend, and I don't I don't
want to sound like, oh, it's Tammer's all this and
all that. She's not. Okay, she's a human and she
(24:02):
could f up to But the other part is why,
if tamer really did do all this that this phony
caller said she did, why wasn't information leaked earlier? Why
is it all of a sudden now there's just so
much that didn't make sense. Carlos, you know, it's the
phoniest thing I've ever heard. I hope America feels that
and they're not sitting there buying it, because I give
(24:23):
America credit and I think they are smarter, you know, smart,
So I just hope they don't buy it. But I
wanted to hear your opinion, and I thought you might
argue with me or disagree. I don't know, So.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You go now, yeah, yeah, okay, going, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Look, I said it once, I said it twice, I
said it three times. Here's the fourth Tamra, Judge. These
ladies are not your friends. They don't like you. They
actually woke up the next morning feeling bad, Regretchen and
turns around on you saying, well, we thought about it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
If you have this information for over a year or two.
Why bring it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Up unless these ladies have never been on reality TV
for the past couple of seasons.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They all know that.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Listen, I'm gonna say two things that are true. Ninety
of reality stars talk to bloggers, and it is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And listen. But but be clear what I'm saying. I'm
just saying they give bloggers information. That's a very different thing.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
They do talk to bloggers, right, it is what it is,
news flash.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They all do.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Now, well I don't. I don't, so I don't. I
don't agree with the nine nine. Maybe it's I don't
think I will say hi to the bloggers on the
red carpet or when we're out or when I see somebody.
And then they're like, oh, we have a lot of
bloggers don't admit, by the way, what their blogs are
because they know they bullshit talk. Oh gosh, they talk
bad about you behind your back on some episodes, and
(25:53):
then they they don't really want you to know that
I'm Eric and I run the Real Housewives, you know,
two to two blogside or whatever, you know what I mean.
They don't want to be told. They don't want anyone
to know. But when you do meet one or two
of them. I do say hi to them, but I
don't talk to bloggers, so I don't know. I'm confused
and perplexed by all that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, no, and the thing is this, I said ninety
nine percent, you're part of the one percent tile out
of because the thing is this selecxis there are I
believe the number is four hundred housewives, whether past present
like so okay, which is which is crazy because a lot,
it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So that's number one.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Now flip this on camera, and let's be clear, is
not in a sense, in the sense of not doing things.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That I disagreed with. I keep saying over over again,
rain drops the way she.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Was talking to Shannon last season or the season before
I got what it was the last season.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
On this podcast that I hated her, calling her drunk.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I told Sherb personally, I think this does look good
for you. I can't defend this in the worst of
Kyle Richards, this is indefensible. I can't defend this, and
she understood, but she had a reason that that's fine.
I don't think at all that Tamar Judge orchestrated this,
(27:20):
this smear campaign against Gretchen, I thank you guys. I
hope you guys are smart enough to understand. Why is
it be convenience that a week after okay, a week
after they filmed, all of a sudden, Gina gets DMS
(27:45):
from people, Emily gets DMS from somebody, and they're alleging
that this person has DM them before. If that's the case,
show me the receipts, show me the receipts. Let me
let me see data back in twenty twenty three, twenty
twenty four, that this person allegedly DMG.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But you mean to tell me you want Carlos King
and Alexis Janssen.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
To believe that a week after filming, this random person.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Decided to have a moral compass and spill all the
tamer's tea.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Why would he wait until she was quote unquote exposed.
Why not do it throughout the whole season? Why not
do it after the episode airs? It was fake, It
was phony. It's sounded like Slade. I'm not saying it
was Slade, it did sound like him. It was muffled.
I don't know why I was muffoled, Because when you
are recording a conversation, that person has to sign an
(28:40):
appearance release so.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You can use their likeness and do with the what
you may.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It goes to show you that I believe this was
orchestrated by Grishna, Slade and Tamer to me, is innocent
in this in this.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Wait a second, you just confused. Man. I am a
smart person. Okay, I know, I don't know it sounds
smart on national television, but I have a brain. Wait
you're okay, so are you? Wait? This was This is
a light bulb moment for me. So you're right. Because
for them to be able to use that recording of
a muffled voice as a producer, I'm asking you this
(29:18):
that the show had to have that person sign off
to be on national television.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yes, the girls couldn't.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
What I'm saying is what I'm asking is Gina could
not have just played that unless that person that is
the muffled fake voice signed off something for Bravo to
use it. Correct.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yes, Yes, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Brilliant, Carlos, Because there you go, so so so production
does know who is behind this voice, so we get
at the bottom of it if she really wanted to.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
The person when you when you're using someone's likeness. Right,
And I'm gonna take you back to Potomac episode last
week when the First Lady of Maryland was at the event.
They said she was there and she actually hugged the
(30:13):
other housewives Alexis, but they couldn't show her.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And and what what the producers did?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
They wrote on the screen the First Lady did not
want to be filmed because she did not sign a relief,
so they could not use.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Her like this as her her voice or anything.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
When you're using someone's voice rain drops at the producer,
they have to sile off on it.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So then Tameron Judge, I'm going to talk to you
through this podcast because I hope she'll listen to it.
She's my friend. But anyway, you need to get from
production who that phony voice is and get to the
bottom of that, because if they signed it, then they
can't be so phony and keep miss you know, canceling
their account, bring their account back using a phony voice,
dming and then erasing and like all the things that
(30:59):
don't make sense. Because if you're if you're an authentic person,
you're not gonna care what your voice sounds like, right,
You're not gonna care if you you're gonna have to
delete your account and open it back up again. That's
all shady things that people do that don't want to
be known because it's not authentic. So there you go, Tamra,
we just helped you, Carlos and I you pay us later.
(31:20):
We just helped figure.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, No, I don't buy it for one second.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Even when Gretchen and Sleigh were talking in the kitchen
about what just happened, she still did not seem like
a person that was accused of something she didn't do.
You know, I go back to when you watch these
shows and how these women have big reactions, like, for example,
the Cocomnissant multiple partners, you felt like it's so true.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Though yees. Bickie was like, Laura, you fucking bitch. I
never slept my MultiMate partners.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
That's not me. I filmed that season, I was there
at that exact same I missed me some Vicky Gumble said, Okay, Carlos,
I just I'm just having to take a moment away
from all this heavy, heavy crap.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But but she.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Would have been like like like, oh my gosh, it's
so true. It's so true.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's no, it is it is and listen, I think
what and and.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So look, that's that's that's my theory.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I I I don't think Tamra had anything to do
with it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I mean, I know a lot of you guys just
don't like her. That's fine, She's a polar rifing figure. Yeah,
but if you guys look at the fact, it doesn't
make sense that a week after they take that dinner
scene in a private room, right that this guy had information.
He had information because there's somebody in that private room
(32:59):
that leaps to him in order for him to coist
a dentally DM everybody to say, Hey, guys, guess what
Tama was telling me?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
These things I don't buy. I don't buy. I don't
buy for a second.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, I'm curious to see what we're going to get
in the comment section on the feedback and what I
really am curious what viewers are feeling at this moment,
because this one is so this one is so well,
it's super deep to me, unto you. Also because I
know we're in the LGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So I I.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
It really hits home for me and I have this
I mean, actually, I'm usually pretty opinionated him. I was
gonna say, I have a really big opinion about this one,
but I can't really say that because I'm opinionated about everything,
so scratch that. But it hits home and I don't.
I cannot wait, honestly, Carlos for the reunion, Like this
is one of them where I'm like, I already have
(33:56):
my high blood pressure because I'm just like, the reunion's
a whole other week away. We have to wait six
more days. Oh yeah, I need more information. I do
need more information on it. They left us the big cliffhanger, Carlos,
the big cliffhanger.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Now, and look that's the job of the producers.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And listen, fantastic work because you got Alexis and I
activated in anticipating the three part re union. And look,
we can't wait, so rain jobs. Let Alexis and I know.
In the comments, do you guys agree with our theory
that this was a scheme that Slagh set.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Up and it's not?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yes, okay, okay, love that, and let's take it one
step further. Please comment and let us know. If you
don't think it's a scheme, please give us why, because
I do want to I want to I like valid points.
I like validity and the truth. I want to hear
if they don't agree, and they feel confident that this
is real, please tell us why I agree. I will
(35:02):
look this information for your So, Katie and Tamara are
throwing a watch party next week for the read first reunion,
and guess who's going little Bitty Booby Group. Yeah, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Not gonna fly to the Orange County ship.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well will you? Will you come?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Let me look at my calendar? Girl, I don't know, Lizzy,
let's talk about it. Look, it ain't.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Easy to get here. I know where you're at. But
but if you can come.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
If I'm unable to make it, please report back and
let us know all about this shin dig. But god,
you heard it here first Katie at Tamor, I'm having
a watch party. Alexis would be there reporting live for
Reality with the King podcast and I can't wait to
hear it back. Thank you, Alexis. Get your hair dune, girl,
and I will see you. I gotta go to.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
The sink right now, get these fools out people. Gotta
have my blonde hair come back without frying it. So
love you all. See you next week.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Love you baby, thank you, Love you. Reality with the
King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by
Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
The Lack of Effect Network.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
You can also find us on my YouTube channel at
the Carlos King Underscore
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