RHOA EXCLUSIVE: Angela Breaks Her Silence On Phaedra

Angela Oakley sits down with Carlos to talk everything #RHOA, and nothing is off limits. From cast dynamics to her husband and her journey as a new peach holder, Angela keeps it real. This interview proves exactly why she’s being called the MVP of Season 16.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm an executive.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from
the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation,
The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode,
we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to
The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests,

(00:29):
whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Honey, I got my fan few girl.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, they was cloud to me.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
About I'm going through menopaul.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Okay, because we're the same age.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Oh my goodness, can get her.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Give my it's in my verse upstairs because I need
to put this siress.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Let's put the surress, would you.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's not my Please get.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
My past because that's a forty five year old man
both to menopause.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Okay, and you're allegedly forty four.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Relative. Well, you know the girls, I mean look, I'll
watched the show, and I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Fas said that you are the oldest looking.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, I know. I kind of want Phaser to find
a man, a friend, or a mirror, you know, before
she comes at me about how I look like I
was insulted, like I could take that from anybody except her.
Why because it's like, have you seen that? Has she
been past the mirror? Like where's the mirrors? I think,

(01:49):
fai where the mirror? I'm not calling her ugly, What
are you calling her? She was Okay, she looks her age,
you know, and it's one way. It's her age. I think.
I think we just need to add a text. Whatever
my ages, we're gonna add teen. Okay, we're gonna add
teen to that.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Forty four So you think Pagel looks fifty four whatever?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
People think I look older.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
So I'll say this and this and range drops. Y'all
know I do not lie.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm in person with this woman. You know I'm being honest.
You don't look old to me.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
No, I'm being very honest with you because I will
tell you the too, like you don't look forty four,
you don't, and you don't look older than forty four.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't, So I'm being serious.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I don't understand the read because yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Before this show was your age ever in question?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Never never? And all of the wives that I'm around, oh,
we all act look the same you know, no one
has ever questioned are you the same age as your husband?

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Everyone knew, you know, say he got a young Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
To be asked, you know how old are you? I
was shocked. I'm like, damn, do I look like I
change my dermatologist?

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Aside from that, yes, I'm okay, we'll get the idea pastor. Okay,
carlos Key as a journalist, Hey, Portia, I'm gonna get
the receipts.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, break drops now, Lizzie, can you please bring me
my readers to.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Do the mind last night?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay, I'm looking at Angela's passport and I'm doing this
because I'm forty five years old.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
So my eyesight is, you know, not what it used
to be. But I can see clearly.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Don't do that, you take it.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
I need read.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
No, I need my readers.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Wait, I'm a reader.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Ship forty five. I got good.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
I'm not hear I see a little bit.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
I got you, honey, don't you worry boo.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Please read it.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Here.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
We are right here.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Because I'm a real journalist, so I want to make
sure please get the facts.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Get the facts right.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, all right, Angela Dione Oakley, No, my government.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Okay, all right, we'll cut it off. Cut off, cut off. Okay,
we got Angela Oakley.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Guys, I'm looking at it may or nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I cannot believe that question my age, like, god, you
look good.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
Look at my mannerisms as well.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
When you watch the show, do you when you when
you see yourself on TV, do you feel like.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Okay, maybe I can see what they're saying or are
you just like.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
I think what you know?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
So I never wore makeup before, and so I think
it was playing around the makeup.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
I think the wigs.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was a lot of trial and there, so I
could see how I can look a little bit older,
but not you know, to the extent that people are saying.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah you know, I'm like, wait a minute, no, you
look good. So listen. You are from Chicago, yes, I'm
from Detroit.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Midwest is the best.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
That's why I love you.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I love Drew and I instantly felt when it came
to you, you came on this show being your authentic self.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Flaws and all, You're gonna get everything from me because
I feel like, just being a fan of the show
for so.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Long, that did you watch all the season I.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Stopped when I think when.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I'm just letting with the people, I.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Think I said when you left.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
But you know, when I got the job.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
I had to catch up.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
But you know show, I was definitely a fan of
the show, and you know, I just feel like I
relate more to that era, you know, because those women
were authentic. Not to say that these women are not,
it's just the way that they present themselves. I think
I aline with that more.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, what is so interesting is so I worked on
a show from season one one through four, than six
through nine, season five, and your name came up and
casting a lot, And I know I did an interview
I said season three, and I think I got the
timeline wrong. I want to say, maybe around like season
six seven, your name came up as somebody we should

(07:17):
talk to. Were you approach during that time? Were you
even aware that we wanted you? Because sometimes you have
representatives and sometimes representatives speak for you and you may not.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Be aware of it.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
But were you're aware that we were sinking you out
for a long time?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know what?

Speaker 6 (07:35):
And I like season three, like keep that narrative more.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Out there. But you know what, when they did approach me,
it was actually my daughter's friend. His name is Sir Julian,
and he was like, you would be phenomenal for housewives
because all of the kids at Woodard Academy love Housewives.
I think it coded barbado. And he was like, miss Angela,
I want you to get on this show. So he
got me all the way to the exact truly, like

(08:01):
no casting company, no one. He got me to the
execs at the time. It was a lady by the
name of Chelsea There.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Yeah, casting I got live way drops go ahead, y'ap.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
And so I spoke to Chelsea and you know what,
it wasn't you know, the timing wasn't right. And I
thank god that the timing did not work because had
I been.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Casting there, oh my goodness, I would have been a wreck.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Do you know what season that was?

Speaker 6 (08:30):
That was twenty sixteen, So.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, twenty sixteen. I was around, So I know what
I'm talking about. You weren't lying, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
It was true.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
They you know, they approached us, and Julian, you know,
got us the interview and we interviewed, but the timing
and we interviewed again again, and the timing wasn't right.
And I'm so grateful so.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
Grateful for that.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
But when you look at the heyday, because we do
watch the show and everybody angelas like we would have
love to see Angela with Mini Leaks, Yeah, with Charae
with like the old kemp zosiac the ogs.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Do you feel like you fit more.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
With those girls than you do today with Portia Shamia
and you know Kelly Well, I.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Say, with those girls, I would kind of have been
no shade to the current cast. You know, I love
all the ladies, but I would have been more aligned.
I feel I feel like now it's a little bit
of I'm not gonna stoop down, you know what I mean.
So I'm always gonna be up here and you have
to meet me at my level.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
I'm married, I have children.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
You know. Not to speak against those ladies, but again,
I think I fit in with the older cast because
the wigs were bad, you know, like you could get
in with good a bad wig and be okay, this
top model, like.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
What are we doing?

Speaker 6 (09:56):
Like it's every day a fashion show.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I feel like the older cast would a receive me.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Much better, and yes, so.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
You they would have received me better because now it's
like gonna be a picked apart because I got a
bad wi and they would have never done me like
that again.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Listen, I gotta be honest.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
With you, so honestly, I'm a former producer of the show.
I am still a huge fan of the franchise. I
said this publicly that I did feel like there were
seasons that weren't excellent and I felt like this season
is back to its roots. And I'm gonna say this
also publicly. I've said on my podcast, I said on

(10:39):
my Monday Night Live show with Claudia and Jordan and Dustin.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Ross, and I'll say to your face, you are the
reason for the season. You really are.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
You really are.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
And as somebody who has been their season one day one,
there's not one motherfucker who recaps the show that knows
more than me or understands how the machine works, although
they try to, you know, discredit what I my expert opinion,
and that's find what I'm saying to you is, as somebody.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Who was a part of the foundation of building that show,
right me and the rest of the amazing people at
the production company as well and the network too.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
You are exactly what the real house boss of Atlanta
was born to be. And you represent that and you
are so naturally funny and naturally gifted.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
You remind me a lot.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Of my old school girls who was able to read
somebody and not yell.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
And that's why I'm yelling.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
At but but my favorite read from you will always be.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
But you got those miles.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Stretch my no, no no, and you set their cool,
calm and collected. And that's when I said, Angela Oakley
is bringing the Real Housewives of Atlanta back to its
glory days. And as a former executive producer, it would
be remiss of me not to say to you to
your face, I thank you, and I thank you for

(12:20):
your services and I want to see you continue doing
the show.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
You are magnificent.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
You really are, and and I hope you know it's
sincere what I'm saying to you.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
But to hear it from you like it means so
much because you always want to know, am I doing
this right? Am I doing a good job? No matter
what it is I'm doing, I want to know. My
love language is words of affirmation, like tell me I'm
doing it right, And to hear it from you it
feels good because a lot of people won't tell you
know you're killing it, or you fit in, or you're

(12:51):
doing what we need you to do. And so to
hear it from you, it means a line. I appreciate it, No,
and I mean that. I mean that.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean that I saw that you recently was at
the BT War and you were calling the audience with
your fan on her.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh my god, I said, I don't.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Think it's not gonna leave. It's like the American Express.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Don't leave home.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Without it, because I know. And the thing is, you know,
people are like, it's air conditioning the building. Whenever I
get high, it's internal, right. I can't turn the air
conditioning off on my body. Yeah, so I have to
keep my fan, and I just naturally, you know, if
I feel a little something, I'm gonna turn on because
my wig is not gonna slip off. And that's the

(13:37):
second thing for having my fan. I want to make
sure my lace is lace.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
It's it's lace today, Lacy good. The Bob's Bobby Bob.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
It's not like you know what I'm saying, And ain't
like one.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Of my favorites and ain't falling off. Nini is just
we gotta give it to Nini. But I also love
Claudia Clauda is amazing.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
You saw Nini at the BTD. What did she say
to you about you being on the show?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You know what? She just said, you know what, you
look amazing. And we just had a little one too.
She introduced me to her partner and we just did
a little vibe. We had a little vibe. It was
a nice little a nice little meeting. I know Nini,
you know, I've seen her before and I was a
part of her organization, Ladies of Success. So shout out
to Nini. Uh and to get the high five from her,

(14:34):
that means something, that means something, that's like girl, it's
enough one for everybody. So I appreciated that for me
from Nini. I did.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Have you met Kim Zosiak before?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Never? But I heard I would love her. She's a
Taurus like I am. Oh yeah, so I heard I
would love her. Really that I've heard that a few times.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Have you met, no And you know what?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think I would love char.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
I see you and too, don't you think?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I think so? I do too? And I only say
that you know we shared well, my husband is her,
they used to day. So I feel like charae wasn't
one of the women who was looking for Charles after
they broke up. You know, some women still, you know,
hang around even after you got married. Charai just wasn't

(15:23):
one of those women. So I don't feel like Charai
would be, you know, a threat or anything like that.
I feel like she would be a good and she's
a Capricorn. My siblings are capricorns. Like I feel like
Charai would be a good time. And I've heard that
a lot from a lot of different people.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Oh cha is the best time I heard that? Amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Did you find out being on the show that Charles
and Charae dated or did he tell you prior to
you joining the show?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
No, so he didn't. We didn't go through our list
of exes, right like we didn't say our dated her.
It never came up that way. I found out just
based on conversation from people back in twenty seventeen when
I initially cast it, because I believe Array was a
part of that cat was she was a part of
that cast, and so that's how it kind of I

(16:10):
found out that they used to date, and so I
didn't know the nature of their relationship. I didn't know
how serious it was, and I you know, I've come
to find out you know how serious it was or
lack thereof. So they dated, you know, twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
And y'all don't run into each other at events or
anything in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
No, you won't find me out too much in Atlanta.
I'm not I'm like Atlanta's hidden secret. I like to
stay in the house, or I'm on a plane, I'm
somewhere else. I don't like to sit around Atlanta that much.
That's how a lot of people didn't know who I was.
I was Atlanta's best kept secret.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, baby, you are wide open.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, did you listen? You're a beautiful woman from Chicago.
What was your dreams and aspirations? Was it you ever
see yourself being on a hit show and Bravo or
being a part of the entertainment industry or did.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
You have other dreams and goals being in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I did so. Coming from Chicago, I knew I always
wanted to be an entrepreneur. My background is in finance,
and I just knew I wanted to go where the
money was, no matter if that was behind the scenes,
not so much in front of the scenes, but definitely
behind the scenes. And be it that my husband is
public facing. I kind of felt like, I can, you know,

(17:29):
manage his situation, and so I never had aspirations of
being in front of a camera, you know, outside of
the audition of twenty sixteen. But no, no. I remember
meeting with Larry.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
King and he was just like, not the legendary journalist
Larry Kingry Larry as love Larry King.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And he was just like, you know, he was just like,
so what do you want to do? We met at
he loved this coffee shop in la He for a
frequent every day he would go there, and he was like,
so what do you want to do? Do you want
to be behind the scenes or in front of the camera.
I was like, I care about the money. He said,
I never cared about the business, and I was like, well,
if I don't, He just was pretty much saying like
I care about being in front of the camera. I

(18:14):
don't care about the business. And I was like, well,
I care about the business, so I guess you know,
there's no room for me in front of the camera
because I care more about the business than being on
in front of the camera. And Larry King was like, yeah,
he probably stay behind me. You know the camera, wow
to handle the business, and he never cared about the business.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And you know what's so funny, he accumulated so much wealth.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yes, he are a good team man.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, but that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
The thing is this, you have to have a team
surrounding you who are good at business.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
So, for example, I am a businessman, but my moster
from the camera.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
But I also know that there's no way in the
world I'm able to do both successfully. So I have
a great team around me who does great business. And
for me, I focus on creating stuff and doing all the.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Things I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
And that's why I relate to you so much with
the real estate because I want you to know I
understand what that feels like when you have a real
estate portfolio that.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Doesn't go well.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Because in this LLC community that we live in, we
are sort of taught that in order to accumulate wealth,
you have to invest in real estate. And your transparency
of being, I believe was two million dollars a depth
to the fact that you were able in this reality

(19:41):
landscape where everybody is front and and buying stuff that
can't afford and houses and foreclosure and renting the designer
bags and things of that nature. Okay, the fact that
you were so transparent about that when it came to
your real estate portfolio, is it something you thought this.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Would be good?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Because everybody around me is telling me that's how you
accumulate wealth in your sleep.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Exactly the reason, exactly the reason that I went so hard,
so fast, so far, and spent so much money, you know,
and that bothers me.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
That kind of.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Makes me mad that I fumbled like that. However, if
I didn't have those properties, you would have never known me,
because I would have lived my private life. I would
have stayed behind the scenes doing what I normally do.
And I was kind of persuaded to buy those properties.
There was this investor, a portfolio investor overseas I won't

(20:48):
name the country, who wanted to invest in American real estate,
and so I was just like, Okay, I was introduced
through a realtor, and I was like, let's accumulate some property.
Let's grab some properties. And I bought luxury properties so
with the intention of selling it to the portfolio investor
for a profit. Sure enough, when it was time to sell,

(21:11):
I had no portfolio investor, but I did have a
portfolio of properties that needed to be renovated. So I
had to hit the ground learning how to flip properties
when I had no clue how to renovate anything. And
I have multimillion dollar properties, So I'm scared. I'm frightening.

(21:32):
I'm running out of funds because we carried those properties
for three years and I'm rehabbing them while paying the
mortgages on it. So it just got to a point
where I was just like, Okay, I can sell them
on the show, Like, look it on the show, Like,
let's promote this on the show, not even taking into
consideration the houses are not ready for market. You know,

(21:55):
you're on the show. Let's hope they show a house.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
That. Yeah, and you know, I just hope. You know.
I was hoping I could turn a profit, and no,
that didn't happen. I lost a tremendous amount of money.
We lost a tremendous amount of money doing that.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
And are do you are you still the owner of
those four properties?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
No? Fore clothes, No, not all of them. Okay, I
still have two, but the bigger ones. I'm like, okay,
this house and this particular house was on the show,
so I paid one point nine for that house and
it's on the corner of hers, like it's a landmark
property in Georgia. And I paid one point nine million
four and it wasn't renovated, and so after renovations it

(22:38):
should have netted about three million dollars. I would have
had to put in about five hundred thousand and renovations,
so probably about a five hundred thousand dollar profit if
everything went well. And that includes carrying calls like I
can go down the line.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
No, it's expensive.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
But long and behold. Yeah, I mean I got to
the end and the bank was like, no, run us
our properties, run us our property in that one.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Let's get back into the show.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
And this is something that a lot of people who
have money don't really talk about publicly.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
And that's why I wanted you to know that.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know, there's people like me and a lot of
people who can relate to you who just did not
understand the real estate market at the time and who
thought like, this is your way of investment.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
So I don't want you to feel ashamed about that. Anything.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Okay, good, because look at the blessing that you have now.
And my advice to everybody watching this who are trying
to like invest in real estate, if you don't have
the love for it, the patience for it, or the
education for it, don't do it. I would rather you,
first of all, disclaimer, do what you want to do.
I would rather you put that money into a stock portfolio.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I would say stock for sure, right, and the bank
is even safer, like, don't trudge it until you know
a safe, sound investment from reputable people, because I got
my advice from people that nobody should trust.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, I just want you to know you're not along
with that. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I do want to talk about your husband, Charles. You
have a lot of fans and they're called fangelus.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
May be the president of cy of it.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I love him.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I'm a fangela. There's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Who love you and watch the show, and they feel
like Charles does not love you the way that you
love him. They feel like your husband is very dismissive
of you. He did not seem to care that you
were out of the country for anniversary. You guys do
dual interviews together. They feel like he's very dismissive of you,

(25:03):
and your fans are concerned that you are in a
marriage that's one sided and they want you to run.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I see I see the fans, and it's funny because
you know, when I took the show, was like, Oh,
everybody knows Charles. We're gonna be good. Everybody knows Charles
from his NBA playing days. They know his attitude, they
know who he is. And I was reading the comments
on Twitter one day and they were like, girl, we
don't know your husband. It was like, straight man, they

(25:35):
know your.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Basketball.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And I read that comment. I was like, girl, you
in danger because nobody is.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
God, I understand my husband.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I just was like, oh, this is go one or
two ways, and both of them are bad. First of all,
First of all, Charles, what do you know about the
husbands that a lot of people don't know about the
husbands on this show? Is there anything you can say?

Speaker 3 (26:08):
They don't get paid.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
That's not a secret.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Know Andy has said that, it's widely known, but husbands,
all these housewives don't get paid.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
And that's my way.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'm gonna go deeper, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Oh they don't get paid.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
But that's that.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
And they feel like this is your thing, and husbands.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Have to take so much of their time to do it.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
But that's why a lot of housewives give their husbands
ten percent of their first.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Of all, I gotta be getting paid. We're not gonna
go the.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Next season you did, but no.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
So Charles is one of the few husbands that I
know that everywhere he shows up he gets paid because
that's his brand. That's how he earns his money. He
did that. They're years of work, or the twenty years
of work to get to a place to where he
can just show up and get paid. So a lot
of what you see is me sitting there like, oh god,
I hope you don't remember he's not getting paid. Oh

(27:11):
I don't remember he's not getting paid because he's like,
what am I doing? I'm only doing this for you.
And when I asked him, you know, in the interview,
like they're gonna think you don't love me, he's looking
at me like girl. I wouldn't have done that at home.
I wouldn't have been like, Charles, do you love me?
You know? So a little bit of that was me
putting on because I know my husband, and that's why

(27:34):
I said I couldn't have done this in twenty seventeen
or twenty sixteen, I would have believed my husband didn't
love me. But I know that man loves me. There's
nothing about what he's done or is doing present day
that would make me feel he doesn't love me now,
him being Charles and not picking up the phone while

(27:55):
he's here watching the kids while I'm working on a
casture on the first ring, I'm like, really, y'all this,
how y'all Charles a sixty year old man who did
not answer the phone, like.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I'm like, what is foreign about that? You know? And
then when he did answer in the scene, you see
my daughter like hey mommy, Like he's home with the kids,
Like he didn't get any credit for that, and no shade,
you know, I can't throw shade at the show or
anything like that. But it's like he just got roked in.
But he is there in some scenes, he's like the

(28:30):
only man and he's like why am I here?

Speaker 6 (28:34):
You know?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
But he is truly doing that for me and him
and his grumpiness that's who he is now. If it
means he doesn't love me, that's not the case. My
husband loves me. And furthermore, why does the man get
so much credit? Why would I be with the man
who didn't love me? Like I'm self made, have my
own money. I met him as being one of his neighbors,
and I'm confident the second time. Yeah, So I'm confident

(28:58):
who I am. So I'm not gonna be with anyone because,
oh my god, I want this man to love me.
No respect is there, and none of this is disrespect.
We don't tolerate disrespect to one another, like we don't curse.
There's no name calling. It's I know my husband and
the world don't know my husband. So I had to
take that with a grain of salt, especially when the

(29:20):
person said, we don't know your husband.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
So yeah, So when it comes to Charles THEO, what
is one thing about him that you wish the world
could see that we're not seeing.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
On the show, And it could have been shown like
just his fathering, his nurturing, Like I come home, I
met with a meal every day. He cooks for you
every day every day, like I get mad with I'm
like the man in that aspect, I'm like, what a wood?

(29:53):
You know what you mean? All day? Ain't nothing on
the stone, No he cooks for me, and he's he
understands me. He's patient, patient with me, and he gives
me what I need. And so I know people are
looking for this, this outwardly affectionate person. He's just not that,
But that doesn't introduce his love for me, you know,
and how he shows it for me. And I love

(30:15):
my husband. He loves me too. He loves me too.
I have my family.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
I said it on my YouTube show, My Mother and
I Live, I said, Charles Oakley reminds.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Me of my father.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Everybody says that.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So my father was born in nineteen forty nine, he's
seventy six. He is an old school black man from Detroit, Michigan,
and my father.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Just doesn't show affection.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
So growing up, I never thought my father loved me
because he never said it. And years later I spoke
to him and he said.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
My Papa, Taul's crazy, motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
I thought you all this shit and you needed this,
and you.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Know, my father takes credit everything. Look at you now, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
That's me.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
That's it, okay.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
So I understood my father's love language was different, and
the way my father.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Loved about my mother wasn't what you see in the movies.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
So when I look at Charles, I always said, look,
I understand that maybe this this younger generation may not
understand how an old school black man loves up on
his wife. And I never thought he was dismissive to you.
I promise I never thought that. And the one thing
that I always thought was this man is this legendary

(31:38):
NBA player, and.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I want to have a real conversation with you.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I know for a fact that when it comes to
a man of that status to be okay with his
wife having her turn at this, that sometimes that's not
the case. Because one thing I will say to you,
I have spoken to a lot of wives of former

(32:05):
sports athletes players right who's who made the decision of
their wife not joining reality television because they wanted to
keep their wife in the house and they knew that
I do not want to share the spotlight with her.

(32:26):
So I know for a fact that the fact that
you're on the show is because your husband believes in
you and he wants this for you.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Because so many girls, even when I.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Was on Hospital in Atlanta and I spent one season,
season nine contacting, I spoke to seventy five women and
a lot of them said to me, I want to
do it, but my husband won't let me. He won't
let me, and I know that there have to be
a conversation with you and Charles about you joining the show.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
What made him say I'm okay.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
With this, and I appreciate you giving him that, giving
him credit for that. Just wanting to dim his light,
if you will, and just say go. Even when we're
out now and we're walking or whatever, he'll push me
forward like there she go, y'all, there she go, Like
he's my biggest fan. Aside from that, in twenty seventeen,

(33:21):
we were not ready and he was more reluctant than
he was just like no, And now I know why
because he was doing what he probably wanted to do.
And now he's just like, you know what, it is,
your turn, you know, do what you want to do.
I got your back, Like I am a good wife.
And when I tell you a good wife, not so much.

(33:41):
I'm gonna sit back and let you do what you
want to do. Not that kind of wife. But I'm
gonna build you up, I'm gonna support you. I'm just
I'm just there, you know, I'm a good wife, good mom,
all of that, and to go back to your father.
As far as affection, Now, if you see Charles with
the kids, yeah, it's like night like this is his world.

(34:04):
So they get all of that. And I believe this
man in n born in nineteen sixty two, sixty three, whatever,
he has a certain amount of affection that he can
provide or that he gives, and he gives it to
me in the way that I need it, and he
gives it to my kids in the way that they

(34:25):
need it. So I'm just gonna I'm gonna stand beside
him because I know the world don't get to see that.
And I hate that they didn't show that because there
was plenty of that to be seen. But you know,
and back to he's you know, he didn't get paid.
All of this is him doing this for me. Him

(34:45):
showing up in a room full of women he do
not know who's starting rumors or who's just participating in
rumors about him, says a lot. And he is so
no nonsense For him to sit there patiently knowing he
ready to cost everybody. I appreciate, you know, it's only
because of his love for me. So we did have

(35:06):
the conversation when we got the show this year. We
met with everyone and he's just like, I just hope
you do her right. And he told that to production.
I could just do her right, you know, because I
know how it could be a lot of BS involved.
Just make sure she's done right. And anytime he may
have felt excuse me, I wasn't done right, you would
make that known too. So we did have that conversation

(35:30):
and it landed us here. So we're on the same
page and he's showing up.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
No, he shows up, and that means more than anything.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
So one of the things that I do want to
talk to you about your transparency on the show because
what I do feel is missing in the landscape of
reality television is a lot of people joined for the
wrong reasons.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
They joined the show for.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Instant faith, and that's okay, that's fine, but there is
an exchange because it's a reality show. So the exchange
in your design for fame or money is to showcase
your reality. Just like a singer can make money off
of being famous and all of those things if he
or she doesn't open the mouth to sing a song.

(36:16):
So I look at it that way when it comes
to reality. You have been very transparent about your reality.
You were very honest about Charles' infidelity, and you talk
about maybe it didn't work out for you guys in
twenty seventeen because he was doing his own thing, right.
What I want to talk to you about is his infidelity.

(36:37):
How did that impact you when you discovered it?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
You know, So Charles we got married. I think he
was fifty three and I think he was the early fifties,
but he had never been married, and so I was
just like, I know, he waited all his life for me,
and I was very delusional about out what was happening

(37:03):
in regards to growing up. I thought, you know, you
get married, there's this white picket fence in this house,
and you live happily ever after, not really breaking down
the individual you're marrying or the individual you have to
become to be married. And so when I found out,
of course, i was I'm like, wait a minute, you wait,
all these just first of all, people DM me. Uh

(37:29):
when we were dating. Yeah, someone DM me, And I
was just like and uh, And so I said, and
if you see and you know on the show, I'm like,
my dms are flooded. Well that's where that came from.
Someone DM me. A few people DM me like, hey,
oh he's married. I didn't know this when we first
got married. And uh, someone actually did that too when

(37:51):
we were dating, and I'm like, wait a minute, like
what's going on. You're you at this big age and
you don't understand what marriage is?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Did you ever come from him with those texts?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
And he would deny it.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, of course he was just like no, you know,
but I was crushed, and I'm like, okay, I get
who you are, Like I'm sure Carlo dms are popping,
but you know, we can't act like, you know, have
options in these streams. You know what I mean, don't.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Interview a child.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Know what I'm saying is you get what I'm saying, Like,
we're not gonna act like this man don't got outs.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
So I had to say that into.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Consideration, like Okay, you know, he's been single all these years.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I love you so much, he's been single all these years.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
So he gotta let the you know, the party know
like it's a new So I'm gonna give you grace
for that. Let these women know because he was single,
who's single for fifty something? So he had to let
everybody know I was just like, in my mind, I'm
thinking like, okay, I have zero tolerance for this, but
let's just give him a little grace a month to

(39:09):
let everybody know, you know, like, hey, i'm married, now,
I'm married, now I'm danying, I'm seeing someone, whatever the
timeframe was in the relationship, and so I felt like
he was taking too long let everybody know. I felt
like he was taken too long. And so that was
the beginning of our marriage twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen.

(39:29):
Then Madison squad Garden happened, and I was just it
was just like, okay, that was a lot, and so
that continued him just not fully committing to our marriage.
And so I was devastated because I'm newly married. I
just had a baby, so I'm dealing with postpartum and

(39:52):
I'm learning all this information like what you marry me,
so this means you're with me? And I will say this.
A lot of the women that he dated didn't care,
you know, so here I come like, no, we clean
it all this out. Because he's used to women who
didn't really care, and so it was foreign to him

(40:13):
to have someone say no, this is what marriage looks
like to me, and this is what a relationship with
me looks like. So we had clean this up. This
is not it. And again the Madison Square Garden happened.
He was doing good and then he just.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
And how long were you guys separated after that institute?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
It wasn't that long. It was probably about three or
four months. It wasn't that long. It w and we
lived separately cause I'm like, this is a lot. But
before the separation, I was just like, Okay, am I
gonna stick hang in here? You know, am I gonna
deal with this? It's just too much. It was too
much because I didn't feel like I was getting the

(40:51):
support or the the action I needed from him. And
so he started to make strides and we got in
therapy because he was willing to fight for it, and
he was just like, you know what, I'm not about
to lose my family. I had a new baby, and
you know it took him sometimes to clean out that
closet and did I did.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
There's a lot of women who are watching this.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
What advice would you give married women who have experienced
their husband cheating on them during the marriage and finding
a place within your heart for forgiveness, to take him
back and to really work together on the second win

(41:38):
of your matrimony.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
First of all, it has to be some level of respect, right,
this was nothing. He was blatantly Like he calls me
the FBI because I was looking for like, he wasn't
forward cheating, Like you know what I mean? Do you
understand what I'm saying? He wasn't being disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
There is a thing called disrespectful cheating And for the
audience to know, cause you don't know, is when you
are just blatantly out here taking girls to the same
spot to take your why and then like you know,
just being very open about it, disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
So he was definitely convert and it will take a
level of investigation for me to find out because you know,
I wanted to know. I did go through his phone,
you know, that's how I found out. And you know,
in addition to women DM and me. So he calls
me the FBI because I want to know what's going on.

(42:33):
But if the respect isn't there, I wouldn't And you know,
cheating is disrespectful. It is disrespectful to your vowels, it's
disrespectful to your relationship. So I'm not going to say
I wasn't disrespected, because I was. But I will say,
if your husband is really trying to and it's not

(42:55):
hard to stop, right, it's not hard to stop your
wife like this is not anything you know hard? Uh.
With Charles, he was willing to make those steps, and
again he did the work. You know, he went to
therapy as a man who's never stepped foot in therapy.

(43:16):
He was like, is this what it takes for me
to save my family? And why do I do these things?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I was a professional basketball player. These women just it
was easy, you know, it was just easy. Like he's
jet setting with some of the biggest names that we know,
so it's easy. And so for him, he was just
he didn't see anything wrong with it until I came along.
So I would say to those women, if your husband

(43:41):
is willing to make the strides to make it work,
then hang in there. But if it's abusive, disrespectful, all
of those things, by no means, by no means, by
no means.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Some of just dawned to me. Is that the reason
why when portion made the inappropriate joke.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
About fucking your husband, did that trigger something in you?
Just based on what you had to deal with with
not only women DM and you are you were dating,
not only this happened when you're married to him, knowing
that within your husband experience there are beautiful women who

(44:24):
don't mind being a side chick. They wear it on
their chest, and you having to separate from him from
three to four months because of this. When you heard that,
did that trigger the past trauma that you had to
experience in terms of like I am.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Reminded of what I had to recover from.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
You know what a lot of people think. You know,
I ran in the DMS like, oh, if Portia can
sleep with him, then he ain't. And you you know,
why are you so can that? A woman said that,
you know, said that about your husband. I wasn't if
it was twenty seventeen, yeah, but be it that we
did the work and I really really trust my husband.

(45:11):
The issue was pretty It wasn't really Charles. It was
the disrespect to me as his wife or as a
woman on this show with you. That's where the disrespect.
I ain't even let the disrespect get to Charles. You're
disrespecting me. First of all, we're gonna acknowledge me. That's
where I got triggered. She could have said everything she

(45:34):
wanted to say about Charles, but you're talking about my husband,
So first you have to deal with me, and you're
doing it. You're saying it an earshot of me, you know.
So that's where the disrespect was. And it didn't take
me to any trauma or anything like oh he cheated.
No no, no, no, this is woman and woman, this

(45:55):
is grown woman stuff. You're disrespecting me, Angela, you know
what I mean, Like, I'm here as a woman trying
to do my job just like you are. And I
don't know if it was a threat that she would
have acted on or tried to, and it would have
been like nothing she's ever seen before if she did,
you know what I mean, because I'm just not that

(46:16):
type of girl you can play with like that. You know,
you can't disrespect me till my face about my husband
and think you're going to act on that. That's just
not the games I played. But I don't even think
people see that the disrespect was aimed at me.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
I wanted to cause again, you talked about it before
in this conversation, especially on my podcast. I like to
go deeper than the surface stuff. So again, that question
came to me just based on your experience. Because one
of those things like this, if I overcame something and
I hear something within earshot.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
That's not being said to my face, but I'm hearing it.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
All of these memories and stuff that I healed from
is now coming back to the forefront. So I just
want to know if it was something to where it was,
like I dealt with this situation before. I don't know
you that well, I'm getting to know you. You're saying
it behind my back. There are people who say you

(47:21):
steal people's husbands, So I want to know, like, well,
all of those things coming.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
To your it was coming to me in a place
of disrespect. It wasn't a place it wasn't a place
of fear. Do you see what I'm saying, Like I
found disrespected?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Did you feel for did you ever think for a
second that Porsche was capable of acting out on that comment?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Well, I thought she was capable of what could she
do it? No, because that goes back to the work
me and my husband is done. You see what I'm saying.
I hope, I hope that's I get.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
It you okay, because I want to I want to
clear the air for the work. It was never about
Porsche being capable of acting out on the threat successfully
because you and your husband did the work, and regardless
if Porschell wanted to or not, your issue was never

(48:16):
could she be successful in doing that to Charles? Because
it could be Porsche, it could be Princess, it could
be polar it could be any woman. But it has
nothing to do with Porsche per se. I know my
husband and I know that the work we've done eradicates
him from even wanting to do that.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
It was presented to him. You were more focused on
this woman.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
It's saying something about my husband, and she's disrespecting me,
and she's doing it behind my back, and she's doing
it laughing and joking with other women, two who are married,
and they're all thinking this a joke, and they're playing
in my face.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
That's where what got it. The disrespect was there from
the beginning, got it. So as far as Charles, if
it was in portion like you said, it could be polite.
Not I don't want to say, because that is every day.
There are women now who would plea with my husband.
You know what I mean? That threat is never going

(49:23):
to be gone, no matter who says it, you know
what I mean. So the work has to be with Charles,
because I can't block all of that no matter who
says it. So the work has to be with my husband.
But as far as we were concerned, you're disrespecting me,
you know what I mean, Me, Angela right here on
this show with you. And that's where it became an

(49:45):
issue because you can say whatever you want. And again,
people want to throw you off your game, especially if
you're seen as a threat, or you're coming on strong,
or you you're doing good at what you do. People
want to throw you on your you know, throw you
off your game. And that isn't gonna happen with me.
I wanted to first establish boundaries with respect, and you're

(50:07):
being Hella disrespectful to me. And then Charles comes and
all that, my kids, all that comes after that, But
first you gotta deal with me.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
In your heart of hearts, do you like Porscha?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
You know what I do? I mean, in my heart
of hearts, I think she's a fun girl, you know,
all of the things. But do I like that character
trait of a woman who can say that? Who could
even say that? No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't surround
myself with that with someone who would say that, So

(50:46):
you hear what I'm saying. So No, I don't align
with that at all at all. But as far as
the flip side, I think she's a fun girl and
that's bigger than just Porsche. I don't want to talk
about Porsch any woman who can just say that I
don't align with Like, I take my vowels and my
marriage seriously and as well as I take my respect

(51:10):
for me seriously.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Is it going to be hard for you and Porsche
to ever develop a real friendship because of what she said.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
About She's apologized and she's apologized to him. I think
it's one of those things where it's just like I
see you, you know what I mean, Like I see you,
and that's just gonna always be there. And that's because
that's the space you created. That's not anything I did.
That's the space you created. So no, I feel like

(51:39):
you just know, you know, I see you, I see you.
And that's if she never acted on it or had
any intentions on acting on it, it's just we just
gotta stop. At the point of you said it, you
know that means something just saying it.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
You know, would you ever invite Porsche to your home?
I did, well, you know, like around Charles.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
You know what, I trust Charles. It's nothing she can
do to Charles right so, and to bye anyone into
my home. We have to have a relationship. I'm not
just gonna say, oh, let's let's see if Portia could
fuck Charles. You know, That's not what I'm trying to
do with any woman, a woman who says that. And
I'm not saying Porsche. She has a beautiful home. She
doesn't probably need a reason to come to my house.

(52:28):
But as far as where we are right now, I
think it's still steps that need to be taken.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I do want to get your thoughts on brit When
Kenya did the poster boards of revealing you know, BRIT's
alleged past, bring me in a comment that she was

(52:57):
under investigation per her you know, for her insurance license.
You instantly was like, that doesn't make any sense to me,
and she was really aggressive. But when it came to
her defending her statement, and you, again, cool, calm and collected,

(53:18):
said I know that life, I know that world, and
I don't buy it is that the moment that you
started to question who brit Edie really is in terms
of her character.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I think the moment I started to question her character
was we were all speaking with her after she made
the gun threat and we were asking Meia's house. I
don't know if you saw the you did see we
were as Samia's house and we had a moment with
her after she made the gun threat to Kenya and
we were like, girl, you did too much, Like why

(53:58):
would you even say that? She was very in that moment.
She was very unapologetic. It was also it was just
almost like entitled, you know. It was just almost like
I made a mistake whatever, you know, And I just
felt like, girl, just have some empathy, you know. And

(54:20):
I realized then that, okay, she lacks accountability and whatever
she does. And you know, I've been a mom a
long time, so I can see, you know, certain qualities
and in her it was just she's never gonna hold
herself accountable. And that's not saying anything bad about her.
It's just, you know, a character flaw that she had

(54:41):
and I was able to pick up on it.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Were you surprised that Britain I show up at the reunion.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Oh, of course, of course. I was definitely surprised because
she had been on social media like I can't wait
to see you guys at the reunion, you know, and
I felt like there was a lot she needed to
answer to. You know, she said a lot, She said
a lot you know, about me, about my husband, and
I feel like she needed to answer to that. So
for her to, you know, not come to the reunion,

(55:10):
I didn't like that. I want her to be there.
I really want her to be there, and she wasn't,
But I feel like she should have, you know, been there.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
What do you think my everything going on with her
right now that she's doing.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I mean, I think she feels like she's right, and
again she she has a case, you know, she feels
that way. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at what
she's doing. And I hate it had to happen that
way for her, But I'm not surprised she took that
route at all.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Why aren't you surprised?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Because it keeps the attention on her, you know what
I mean, I'm not deducing anything she's experienced or her feelings,
because that's big with her. You don't understand how I feel. No,
I'm not deducing her feelings. I'm just saying it keeps
everything on her and even while feeling it was me me,

(56:01):
no matter what the situation was. So it just continues
that narrative that look at me, this is what's happening
to me, you know, damn everybody else.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Do you think Kelly distanced herself from Britt the moment
after the pictures came about King has removed from the show,
You and her get into a little tiff. She starts
to get to a few of the girls. Do you
think Kelly just started to realize Do you think Kelly

(56:38):
realized that brit is a seeking ship and I may
need to hop on another team.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely no shade to Kelly, even though she
probably will take this to shade, but absolutely I really
feel like what made the Og so good is that
they will die on a hill by themselves. They don't
care about lashing on to anybody.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
I love that about the Ogs and I wanted to
embody that, and when I don't see the other women
embodying that, like, yeah, so what I'm brit spryand I'm
gonna down this hill?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Is Britspryan?

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Wrong or indifferent, you know what I mean, That's what.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
I wanted to see.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
But when I saw, I'm like, girl, you know she
just I'm not gonna say that she jumped ship. Yeah
she did.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I'm so glad I got you because I want to
ask you this because.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
I don't think a lot.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Of people caught it.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
So in portion made an inappropriate joke, and you saw
her best friends to me in the pool with HERBIEKINNI
laughing at it and not standing upper married women. I
felt that Angela Ogley said, which which, by the way,
before I continued, I.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Fucked the moment. I said, I'm ok.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
The is the morning after You're in the lobby and
Kelly and her bubble gum personality honey came in bubbly,
sparkly like a Sarah Tooga sparkling water child, and you
gave her nothing and you said I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I said, I ain't.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Faked, bitch, bye, I said, oh, do I stand for?

Speaker 7 (58:33):
So?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I felt that as you were driven back to Atlanta,
you said, oh, bitch, I got y'all, Samia that little
secret you told me and drew where I put my
fingers back here across the when y'all.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Pinky swore.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Hu and Shmillah told you all the things she felt
about Porsche. And when you rid a Porsche to your
rental property playing tennis, honey giving Serena Williams, t'se yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
And you said to.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Her, oh my gosh, it was going to be a Porsche.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Did you orchar state that as a payback?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Not intentionally, It kind of just fell and line that way,
because you know what I have been confiding in Shamia.
I felt like Shami and I were building a report.
You know, you saw us at the studio together, You
saw me at her house with brit She gave me
the olive branch. I felt like Shamie and I were
building a rapport and we connected on being married and

(59:35):
all these things. So for me to witness her acting
that way, and you know in Nashville, I'm like, oh
my gosh, Like, I don't owe you anything. You didn't
owe me anything in that moment with Porsche. So why
am I, you know, holding true to this Pinky promise?
So why am I holding things that you told me

(59:55):
in confidence when you you know, you didn't have my
back on I needed you to have my back and
so I felt like Porscha needed to know these things,
and she did, and I didn't tell it in a
way to destroy their friendship, Because if you're friends with
someone twenty years, if you let Angela Oakley come through

(01:00:16):
with you know, two minutes of conversation and destroy it,
that friendship was already rocky, you know. So I feel
like Porsche needed to know those things. Yes, so I
did save it for that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Based on what Shamiyah said to you Andrew doing this
Pinky Square conversation, and based on her actions as she
was telling it to you. Do you feel like Shemiah
is jealous of Porsche or do you think Porscha is
jealous of Shemiah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I don't think. I don't think Portia is jealous of Shamia.
I know that's the running narrative. I don't think that
at all. I don't think Shamiah is jealous of Portia.
I do think, and I said this before, I do
think that when Shamiah was invited on the show, she
wanted it and she did what she had to do
to get it. I don't know if Porscha was welcoming
of that, but I feel like she wanted to be

(01:01:12):
on this platform. I don't know where jealousy comes in.
I just feel like some you know, maybe Porscha's like, girl,
this is mine, this is mine, do your thing. I'm
good over here. I'll bring you over from time to time.
And Shmi was like, I want it too, you know.
So that's probably where the strain began. I don't know,
but I don't think it's jealousy, you know, I don't

(01:01:34):
think it's jealousy. Jealousy is a strong word for someone,
for a group of girls who've been friends, you know,
all those years. So I think maybe a little envy,
you know, maybe I want that. Maybe she covered it
the platform, Shamiah, But I don't think they're jealous of
one another.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Do you think shod Me and Porscha are real friends?
Just based on you being around them filming and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Sometimes I'm confused. Sometimes I'm looking around like is that real?
You know? Are they for real? But I will say
now I know that they are truly at a place impass.
I truly think they're, you know, taking some space from
one another.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Fadri came back to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
You watched the show before prior to Phaedria coming back
this season were you a fan of Phaedra?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
You know what, I was a fan of the one
read that she had. You know what you will know
is that your husband, you know, my daughter, you know
that one platinum in our house with my daughter. So
I was a fan of that. But as far as
her character, no, I really you know, she was quiet.
She had a little few jazz, but I was mostly

(01:02:45):
team Kenya during that whole you know, back and forth
because Keenya just cracked me up, you know, and her
little reads back and forth with Phaedra, no shade to Thadre.
It's just that that's who I, you know, liked in
that little battle.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
So when Faedri came back to the show, what were
your thoughts as you were feeling with her?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
You know what, it's so crazy, and I was just like,
I don't know, I feel like she was going to
come for me. I just felt like I just didn't
feel the energy would be authentic. And that's just and
I have a little bit of discernment. I have a
great sense of discernment. I just kind of felt like

(01:03:24):
that would be the case. And I mentioned it to
someone who will remain nameless unless she wants to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Come for it and she was a former housewife of Atlanta.
Yeah okay, And.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
She was like, she wouldn't do that. She's not gonna
come for you, She's I was just like, it just
makes sense, you know. I felt like she would. And
I wasn't wrong. She did, you know what I mean?
She did. Even watching it now, I see the jabs
she's making. I see the in role she's making to
my husband and the thing she said about him. So

(01:03:57):
I wasn't wrong. My discernment wasn't wrong. And a lot
of fans are like, don't you know I mentioned it
on another interview. They were like, doesn't have to come
for you? Who do you think you are? No one
knows you. I was just like, yeah, it's something there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Why do you think Faedra is coming for you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
You're watching the show, she's making tons of comments about
your looks. Why do you think Faedra is coming for
you so soon?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Because who else? Who else? This is? This is a
show like who else? And it wouldn't be Portia or
Shramia had her back and forth Kelly and Britton, no
one would you know, nobody would have cared, you know,
and so here I am, and so why not you know,
why not?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Do you believe what we're seeing happening now with these
episodes airing? We just saw this episode that you know,
there's this rumor that Phaedra allegedly started that Charles is
still cheating on you, and that comes out and you and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Faedra have a back and forth about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Do you believe Faedra came back on the show and
started this rumor that Charles is still cheating on you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
And you know this because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Because of the person she used to start the rumor
told me it was her.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Do you believe this person telling the truth?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yes, he had a lot to lose if he didn't,
and it's just who he is and things that he'd
done in his past. He didn't want to come to light.
So I found out about it and I was just like,
you're gonna tell me, you know what happened and who
sent you? And he beat around the bush and he

(01:05:49):
just said, I'm gonna tell you and he did tell us,
and then there was just this connection to Athens George.
I'm like, I've never met anybody from Athens George ever,
and I've been in Georgia twenty years. Never unless I
never and to be in a room with four people
from Athens at the same time. I was just like, okay,
bad production, bad producing. Uh, but yeah, he did tell me,

(01:06:12):
and I do one hundred percent believe them. I do
because everything made sense, like your sister went to high
school with her brother, Like you know what I mean,
Like you come in this room and you don't know
anybody here, but ironically, your sister went to high school
with Thadri's brother. You know, I'm like, okay. So it
was like, Angela, I told you the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Hated How did you feel about that that was all discovered?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
I was disappointed because I was told, you know, get
to know Phage or she's coming by, get to know her,
and I kind of looked at her for information, like
tell me how this worked. I'm new to realities. He
could tell me the inrolls, tell me the inside the
inside out, and you know, she was a source of information.
So for that to happen, and I was just like, yeah,

(01:07:01):
it was a breach of trust. And you know, I
didn't appreciate that at all. And it's like why the
truth is so much better than fiction? Like why do
you have to lie on my husband? Like let's just
talk about the things that we've been through. And when
me and Charles took this show, we were like, we're
gonna talk about everything we've been through, all of it

(01:07:22):
because we didn't want to be ambushed with anything, so
let's let the world know. And for her to create
a lie, it was just it was devious.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Do you think fed deserves to have a peach.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
If she does that? No? No, if that's what you're doing.
And I understand everybody has to work, right, we need
a job, we need to earn a living for our
kids and to continue our lifestyles. But really, I don't
think that's what this is. But I'm so low on
the total poll. I no saying that, and I'm not

(01:08:00):
trying to get her fired. Maybe this is a learning curve,
you know, because everybody is not impressed. And I think
that was the misstep a lot of the ladies made,
is that I'm supposed to be impressed with the social
media following and who they are on the show, and
I just wasn't impressed. Not to say anything bad about it,

(01:08:22):
but that's just not though I don't aspire, do you
know understand I have?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Yeah, so you survived your first reunion.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yes, without giving too much away, how was the season
sixteen reunion for you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
It's your first?

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
It was good. I am still standing. I had to
let everybody know who I was, and I feel like
it's gonna be good. I feel like all of the
ladies did an amazing job and you know, proving their
point or locker up, you know. But we survived, and

(01:09:01):
it's gonna be funny. You know, Charles shows up because
he shows up for me, so he's gonna be a
three yearion and we just we just it's actually a
fun time, crazy enough that I can have a good
time with Porsche and Phaedra and all of us in
the same room at the same time and we are
getting along.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
It worked out, okay. So come next season? Would you
like to come back to next season?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I haven't been home for next season yet.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Well, I know some people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
I'll be making costs myself. I have been known to
do that, So you're you'll be back. Who in a
perfect world? Who is Angela Oakley's dream cast that you
would love to be surrounded by on the Real Housewives
in Atlanta?

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
In a perfect world?

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
In a perfect world?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Perfect world first and foremost, Yo, you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Know me is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Funny, She's good. Nini Uh Kenya, Kenya, Kenya. We need Kenya,
who saved me this season and who allowed me to
continue on Cynthia, Cynthia, Cynthia.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Porsche Porsche PSA gotta get my shtown girl Drew in there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
True. I love me some Drew. And you know what
I thought about this for just this comment this lady
made on my page and pasties uh turking and pasties
Claudia Jordan's.

Speaker 8 (01:10:44):
Claudia, she said twirking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
She broke the internet on my eye. I cannot believe.
Like her mouth is Claudia ring, Claudia bag her run through,
like we need to play with Claudia. So I'll bring
Claudia and so how ma you do I get? Okay?
So I'll bring two more, okay, just because I need

(01:11:12):
somebody to frown at and to make faces at.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Bring Faedra okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
And last but not least, who would be on my cast?
And I'm gonna get a friend who would get who
would be on my cast would be Charaine you Chiel,
Charae you, oh my, I'm gonna bring Charae back. It's

(01:11:43):
like we were have fun like I know. I know
all the shade she's gonna throw.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
I know it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
You know she's gonna throw shades. She's gonna get me
a run for my money. But I like that, you
know what I mean? I like that, you know long
it's were respectful. Okay with that ball, I get it,
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
You are good. You want a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
A good show.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Those are some power players you made.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
And as a friend, we're gonna bring shamia because you
know means a friend. Okay, I like you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Okay, you do FRIENDO.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah, friend, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
A good Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
So before I let you go, it'll be remiss of me.
I want to offer my condelensis. I know you recently
launch your mother. I did, and as a mama's boy
who lost his mother to five years ago, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Want you to know that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
I I understand because yours is obviously fresh, and being
a fan of yours and the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Show your mother so gorgeous did. Look you don't want
to cry?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Look no, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Okay, no, no, no, no, no, But able to be remiss
of me not to offer you my condolences. The only
quest I'm going to ask, obviously, is was your mother
and Charles. Were they able to make a miss before
she passed?

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Well, when she passed, he was the one picking me
up off the floor. But aside from that, he cooked
the meal she came and ate and that was as
good as I needed it to be between them, you know,
if my mom was in the room, he recognized my mom,
He loved my mom, he knew who she was to me,
so they were really good. And again, just to see

(01:13:46):
her on the show say I love him, you know,
and for him to say that, I was like, thank you, mam.
You know what I mean, because she knows. We all
know who Charles is and we love Charles. And I'm
happy that that happened. But for you you to understand
the pain, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
No, listen my advice to you, and it's something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
It's like this club of kids who lost their mom,
especially when you lose them at an early age.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
You're a part of this club where you only are able.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
To understand that it is by far the worst pain
you could go through because that's your mother. And one
thing I just want to share with you is everyone's
grief looks differently, and you take all the time you need.
I have nine siblings. We all greeed very differently. We've

(01:14:40):
lost our mother, and all ten of us were mother
girls or mother boys.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Like our mother was our world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
And what I will say to you that helps me.
My mother's been passed for like I think, like five years,
five six years. I speak to her every single day,
and I talked to her and and she speaks to me,
and that helps me here to where the only things

(01:15:07):
missing is the physicality of this woman.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
But my mother is right here now, She's around.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
And I talked to her in the car, me and
her gossip because my mother would be like girl any.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
That was our relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
So I still continue to speak to my mom that way,
like girl, I'm about to go to Atlanta interview an ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Child, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
So my advice to you is your mother's physical form
may not be here in the present, but I want
you to know that her spirit live on forever, and
you have gained a permanent guardian angel who.

Speaker 9 (01:15:48):
Is going to watch over you and usher you into
greatness and protect you because God has gained a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
God has gained a friend, so he's able to assign
your mother to do things for you on earth and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
She has you so know that. I want to know that. Okay, Okay, no,
I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Tell your your daughter's good to your daughter's mine, tell
her she gets married again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
We need to let's get advanced.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Notice daughter, honey, but I want you to know you
officially are the m v P of the year and
you and and I mean this, you are going to
be the person from this day moving forward that I
will tell my new reality starts to join my shows.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Study Angela Oakly because she did it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
You just want to keep me crying, know that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Okay, all right, congratulations, my love.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Okay, you're so welcome. You're welcome. Good job, good job.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
I didn't ever called the reunion like a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
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