RHOA Tweets, Jersey Casting Deets, & LAMH Brings The Heat

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the
Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
First thing first, we have to get into the fact that.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm gonna say alleged because that's the right thing to do.
So look k Michelle, who is allegedly joining the Real
Housewives of Atlanta. Although we've seen Ca Michelle, you know,
being photographed with the ladies over the weekend, Cam and
Shell's photographed with Juice, Doora Simpion, Bailey, Porsche, Pedra, Angela

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Oakley Shamia and Kelly Farrell in addition to this person
a Pinky Cole, again not confirming that their housewives, but
they were filmed together on a private jet. So just
saying that now, Claudia and Dustin, I have to read
to you guys a few tweets that happened over the

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weekend and I would love to get your thoughts. So
on September fifth, at four fifty five am, e strand
Ca Michelle tweeted, if it takes a group plot, a
rumor or scheme to bring me down when I'm coming

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in love, you already lost in the game and lost
in life, all right. At five thirty two am that
same morning, Cay Michelle tweeted, you have to be a
sick person to plot and scheme on someone who is
minding their business.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Claudia in Dustin, it doesn't stop there.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
The following after the next day, at twelve forty four pm,
Cay Michelle said, welke.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Up feeling blessed and loved.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
I love my family and I love my husband. I
thank them for normalcy.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Did normalcy?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
No fart, no dust it It's better. This is my love,
cam Michelle. So that was at twelve forty four, Dustin.
Two minutes later, Camy Shell wrote the fuck I don't
get our budget.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Sometimes I wish I cared more.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Then we saw that allegedly Angela Oakley unfollowed Cay Michelle.
There's a dispute on whether or not Angela Oakley was
even following ca Michelle. However, those are the tweets, Dustin,
What are your thoughts on that? Could Chemis Shell be
talking about The Housewives, a show that allegedly has not

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been confirmed that she's on.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, well, we know she's on the damn show, you
know what I'm saying. I know you had to say
that for a legal note, but we know she's on
the show, so she's there second of us. She's bringing
that Camis Shelle shit to the show, which can be
good and bad. The thing about it is it's a joke,
right because it ain't nothing about Cay Michelle normal. She's
a celebrity. She has an incredibly beautiful singing voice. She's

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seen success that a lot of people will never see
in their lifetime. She's had experiences that are unique and
specific to being rich.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
She's got more money than most people.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Have, and she as crazy as a betsy bug or
a bag of doorknob so that she's not normal. So
the whole throwback and toss to normalcy I thought was laughable.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
It literally made me laugh out loud.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
We know that ky Michelle is not afraid of a
confrontation or a verbal spat with someone, and so we
knew she was going to do that shit on Real
Housewives of Atlanta, and so bring it on. I'm ready
to be entertained. I just hope she aims her nerve
gun at the right person. They're the right people, you
know what I'm saying. I don't want to see her
just be raiding somebody that don't deserve it, or being

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a wolf.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Amongst those women.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
You know what I'm saying, When it's not necessary, keep
it bottled in, just like you do that, Jack Daniels.
You be on keep it bottled in, you know what
I'm saying, and then do it when it's necessary.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
So I'm excited, Claudia, I'm already kind of exhausted from
the tweets. It's a little anti climatic because now if
the action doesn't match, like she may or may not
be talking about housewives, she may be talking about Rashida
who knows because she has you know, she knows a
lot of people. Right, we know what she's talking about.
We're assuming its Housewives, and most likely it probably is.

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But like, now that she's put this out there, of
course we're gonna be like, ooh, that's around the time
the cast was spotted in Dallas. Maybe something happened in Dallas,
and if it doesn't live up to the hype, we're
going to be disappointed. So it's like almost better to
like kind of just chill a little bit, you know,
because I'm like, and you know, when you like, Housewives
used to do this all the time, unfathed and bathed
and bathed. That is the biggest indicator that you're bothered

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is when you tell people how unbothered you are. When
you tell people I'm pressed, you're pressed. When you tell
people I'm broke, you're broke. Most usually, like you know,
like always, like if you're tweeting at four or five
in the morning about something about you're not being how
unbothered you are, you are one thousand percent bothered. So
you're irritated, you're mad, you go to Twitter and you're

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doing a subliminal Trust me, we've all probably done subliminals.
I've been guilty of it myself a lot of times.
I leave them in the draft, I write them, and
then I'm just like, Okay, that looks Oh that's going
to cause another problem and delete it. Because Kimashelle, everyone knows,
like you should know, all eyes are on you right
now because we're trying to put the pieces together.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
Are you really on it?

Speaker 6 (06:09):
We pretty much you know, we we pretty much know,
right but like, all eyes are on you right now.
They're trying to put the pieces together, so we're going
to like hold everything you say up under a magnifying
glass and break it down. And I just kind of
feel like less is more right now, Like I'd rather
her come out the gate and we'd be like pleasantly surprised,
then see all these sweets and be like, oh, she's

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getting at them, and then when it comes out if
it's a dad eh or it might not be.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
She's very dramatic, she's very entertaining.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
So I don't know, but I'm like, all these sweets
ons are already on Twitter and we haven't seen that
when things drop yet. They just started feeling a couple
of weeks ago, like you are, it's already on ten.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Happened what happened now already?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Or is she being emotionally reactive to stuff that doesn't
really require or or you know, support that sort of response.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I don't know. We'll see, we never know. What came
to show.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
She's gonna hit that Jack Yoda, let them ladies put
her country boots on, give us a show.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
So I'm ready for it. Let's see, And I'll tell
you this.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
I think that if Angela Oakley did unfollow her, that's
gonna be a great match that's gonna be a great
verbal pair of verbal sparring matchup.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
And Angela gonna get in that pain to handle their business,
So I'm excited.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
It's just a lot of people though right it seems
like too many people though.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Well, based on the number from my calculation. So if
Ky Michelle and Picky Coole are the two newbies, right
you add Porsche, that's three, Faith makes four, Drew makes five,
Shanmia makes six, Kelly makes subvvant, and Angela Oakley makes eight.
I have never seen in my years working on alant

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of housewives, so even being a part of it by
watching the show, eight housewives.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
So the question does remain, is that too many houses?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Wise?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
For one shot? Now I will say this, Oh go.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Ahead, No, it's not. These are women with extraordinary personalities.
I think that it is not going to feel too full.
I think that last season, even with the addition of
Fager coming on later at the end, and you know,
while she may not be my favorite housewife, people love
fasor so she definitely added value to the show. So
and it did not, it still felt like there was

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room to grow, Like like Tanya said in season two,
it felt like to grow. So I think that if
there are eight ladies holding those peaches, what a better
way for Real Housewives of Atlanta to regain its position
as the grind dome no pun intended of the Real
Housewives shows. Give them ladies eight, give us eight Atlanta housewives.

(08:46):
It's been done on Beverly Hills before, it's been done
in other cities, like give us eight housewives. Can we
can handle that and then let the chips kind of
fall where they made later. I think eight is a
great number for Atlanta this season.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
So you're saying eight is enough, Claudia, Yes, shot with
the old sikop I actually agree with you, Dustin in
the sense of look, I think when it comes to
Atlanta Housewives, Atlanta Housewives will always be a very special
show to the zeitgeist of the real housewives.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And you are right.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Beverly Hills had a women at one point, and that
was actually a really good season. When it comes to
these women, I will say this, I am interested in
seeing the full story of all of them, and for me,
you also get a chance to see. Look, if somebody
storyline is weaker than the others, you at least have

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room to sort of upgrade some of these women. And
we can see as the audience which housewife is lacking
in the storyline department, and because of that, it will
make reason as to why they're not able to even
be a piece told the next season.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
But I think having eight is a step in the
right direction.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
I think eight, in my opinion, will afford these women.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
The opportunity to step it up. I think I think
some of them last seasons lacked in.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
The storyline department.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
A lot more than others.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Right, so to be able to see more women who
have more interesting stories, I think I think it's a
great test to do that.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
So I agree with you, I think eight is fine.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
And when it comes to Michelle, when it comes to
chem Michelle, I will say this. I will always be
a Kim Michelle stand. The first day I met her
in Love and Hip Hop Atlanta, I knew she was
going to.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Be the big star she is today.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I will say this about Kim Michelle, and this is
the reason why I'm happy if she is doing the show. Hey,
legal note, but I'm also happy that she gets a chance.
I'm going to say this and it may not be popular,
and I don't give a shit. I'm sick and tired
of the excuse me. I'm sick and tire of the

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archaic waves things used to be done. There was a
time to where a love and hip hop star would
never be graced amongst a housewife show, right, And I'm
happy that the sort of invisible band has been lifted
to give someone like Kim Michelle a chance.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Because to me, where you start is not.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Who you are finish line, right, So.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I dispose of that.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I am somebody who believes that just because you started
off in one way, we all elevate our lives, we
all grow, And.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
I detest and I'm gonna say this too.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
I don't like when people say, oh, my gods, this
show has become a love and hip hop At the
end of the day, love and hip hop a force
to be record with.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
It still is for autism and purposes.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
But I don't want Black people to divide the shows
to where this person fits here and that person fits
over there.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think as a community, we.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Are all able to fit in multiple places if it
makes sense for us at the time. Now, look, there's
some love and Hip Hop stars who, in my opinion,
don't have what it takes right now to be on
a broo housewife. The stays on where they are in
their lives, So I don't think it's for everybody. But
I think cay Michelle, who's newly married, who has proven

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that she has graduated from where she is selling out
you multiple venues, having Beyonce knows Carter send her a
note congratulating her country's success. I think cam Michelle is
a good example of the fact that where you start
is not where you end up.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
And I'm happy that she is giving a chance to
prove that.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
And look, I think the tweets, in my opinion, I'm
gonna move on and have you guys, finish it off.
I am old school, right, and I am from the
school you don't tweet anything and let the show handle it.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
What I will say is I'm not mad at came
Michelle keeping the show alive.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
I'm not mad at her for having us be entertained
by it because I would rather be this that what
happened last season that we found out and a lot
of crazy things happen. So if it's going to be
a tweet, I'd rather a tweet than a pop out.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
So I agree.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
And one more point, one more note I want to
make really quick is that at the end of the day,
this show, this is a document series about these women's lives, right,
And when you're looking at someone's life like the evolution
of I used to do this, but now I'm living
this way and I can show that I can exist
in this space.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That's an evolution that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
So while there are new cast members on Love and
Hip Hop who may not necessarily fit the profile of
what a real housewife typically is, it does make sense
for someone to exist in the Love and Hip Hop
zeitgeist and then evolve into what we know the real
housewives world to look like that track makes sense, and

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if kay Mischelle can do that successfully, then more power
to her.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm not a hater.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
So if that makes if that happens for her and
she's great on the show, then bring it on. Because
ultimately it's good for her, it's good for the show.
She's a black woman, it's a black show. I want
to see both entities be successful and see success in
this realm. So bring it on.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, and Claudia before you, I'm gonna Claudia to wrap
this up. I will say this at Dustin.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'm not joke king, Okay, I would like to see
I would like to see Jocelyne Hernandez on The Real
Housewives in Miami.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Well, m m all right, Like how we're on the
same page?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Are we?

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Non verbals? Non verbal?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Not?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Let me say Let me say this. I watch Joscelyn's
Cabaret every week.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
I think that Jocelyne is interesting on television and I
wish her success and the spaces that she occupies. I
will say that I love her show. You know what
I'm saying. She's made me laugh for years.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
She's very funny.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yeah, I'll say that now that Housewives conversation. That's some
other ship, you know what I'm saying. But but as
far as Jocelyn having a space in.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Here, sure, I love seeing black and brown people work.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, exactly, yeah mm.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Hmm yeah, okay, yeah here, y'all all right, your back, okay, good,
all right?

Speaker 6 (16:05):
If you want to add asad as Jocelyn, or just
people in.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
General in general, what we talked about. We got a
move on.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
I'm I'm I'm with it all with the evolution, I
think it's cute. But we'll see how it works. I
don't know, We'll see how it works.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
I feel like the show's not the show it used
to be anyways. It's a different show, you know. The
Housewives is just not what it used to be. It's
way different way. So it's like it's kind of evolving
in something else. I almost felt they need to change
the title because last year, what was it like one
or two one wives on there?

Speaker 7 (16:35):
It was just not a lot of wives on there.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Anyways, what do you think the new titles should be?

Speaker 6 (16:39):
Claudia Atlanta Streets Street Atlanta, the Streets of Atlanta, Because
you got all kind of shit going on, you got
bitter ex husbands. You got people shooting guns and threatening people.
You've got people that are know man, you got men
that are trying to get peaches. You got niggas living. Yeah,

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I remember the niggas of parents, but now we got
niggas and basements. You know what I'm saying. It's Pokorea conucopia.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yes, yes, scenarios, but.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
As far as the housewife and husband dynamic that we
don't have that anymore. Like we don't have the wealthy
man husband and the wealthy housewife that is home and
gets to lunch with their friends.

Speaker 7 (17:21):
You don't have that.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
You got girls that got to open up, like you know,
all these businesses to try to make it happen. X
husbands that ain't paying no bills. You got people with
in lavender marriages trying to pretend. And you got you know,
people that just like I don't know, you got men
trying to get peaches. But you've always had that.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
It's not the same. It's not like what it was.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
You know.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
I want to get back, like away from heaps fighting,
like I wanted to get where it's like a war
of words where it's like you have to really be smart,
you know, and be clever with your words, because anyone
could fight. And I think when people say bringing how
Atlanta Housewives bring it, making it be like loving hey
about that's what they mean. That's what was separate to

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that shut because people would like they would verbally jousts
and it would never ever, no matter what someone would say,
no one's punching someone. It would just be like, oh,
I see your insult and I raise you another one
and he'd be.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like, oh shit.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
And I think it takes more strength to be like that,
and that's more brilliant to me. Then it's easy to
just punch a bitch in a fight in the mouth.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Care Yeah, very easy. I listen.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
I would love to see I Ain't even gonna hold
you while Yes, there's a profile that exists for what
we know the Real Housewives of Atlanta cast members. To
be right, I do want to see a show about
the girls in Atlanta that's getting to the money. You
know what I'm saying, running these niggas. I want to
see the three zero fours of the four oh four,
That's what I wanted to I want to I want

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that show.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I don't know where it needs to live.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Carlos, who is dallous and magic. I don't know where
it needs to live, but I want to see a
show about to get it. Girls that's out here getting
to it, hustling by whatever means, looking good, running niggas.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I want to see it.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
You know what I'm saying that it might not be
the place for them on the Atlanta Housewives, no matter
how much you love these women Carlos from all walks
of life.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think you know.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Type chicks, feel like that could be a good Detroit show, Like.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh yeah, I want to see that.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
The girls that don't talk. I want to see a
show with the ones that you convinced to talk. That's
what I want to see.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Yes, someone said, oh, well, Claudia, you didn't have a
husband and housewife. First of all, one last time I
went on there as a friend, but because my read
was so goddamn epic and fan favorite that even asked
me to be a housewife with only about three weeks
left on the clock, so we didn't have time to
get to my real storyline that I didn't go and
I was there the front. So if you look at

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my story as a friend, I did a lot for
a friend of the show. But then I got the
extra title. That's what happened.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
What happened anyway, But I was.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
Dating someone at the time that.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Baby I had mine, Oh, Claudia.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
But and now they had known and he had a meeting,
right I'm I gonna say, but he had a meeting.
No please, no, no, no, Oh, I know, Carlos, I know,
you know what's happening right now. So anyways, bad it
had been, we would have been fucking running that shit, okay,

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But what happened once we had just started dating towards
the end of Housewives, he had a meeting with production
one hour on the phone and he said, I love
it was not Roger Bob, stop it. And he said, Claudia,
I love to help you out, but I have kids.
And I was like, yeah, and it's too soon in
our relationship, and I said, I'd rather have you in
real life. Thank the Lord, I did not push to

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get him on the show because he would have embarrassed
the fuck out of me with his shenanigans. It would
have been great for the show, horrible for me personally.
And I'm so glad I did ja bullet And this
guy is like, one day it'll come out and you're
gonna be y'all woll gag, y'all woll gag, y'all woll gag.
But we're not gonna say all.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'll say rain drops. He is five.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
I only.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I mean, think about your roster, and we're gonna listen.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I will give you this, and I'll give you your tens,
but I'm gonna give you this too.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Add this to your accomplishments in life.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
I have the pleasure of being around two of Claudia's
former dates, right, and I also know about her other
excess of her friends. I will say this of all
of my girls that I am friends with, and I
love all the girls.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I will give Claudia Jordan this.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Claudia Jordan's roster are all a ten out of a tent.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
MS Mama does not do a nine.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
She don't do a nine plenty five, Claudia doesn't.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Her tens are ten.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Answer based on what I know. Claudia don't suck around.
She don't play. You know she's going to cast the
net and get the fish.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
She won't. I'll put it like that.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
That's why when people be like, oh, you don't have
I'm like, no, I do. I don't tell y'all see
y'all have with him, and I also protect it. And
like the guys that I like are like unicorns, so
they don't come a diamond dozen like it takes a
minute to like get them.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
People.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
Let me see, I'll see.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
I'll tell y'all if anybody right, yup, y'all mentioned maybe
one two, y'all mentioned I saw one.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
But I'm not gonna say nothing.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
I'm not even at the comments, but I can already
tell you I know they're going to arrive at.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, okay, that's what That's what y'all said.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
That. All I'll do is this, Okay.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Claudia protect her all the time, claudiaything no, so all
almost say it is Claudia pulls the tense for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I will say this.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Quadia, I'm not gonna say much actually had two, but
she's forgetting about the second one that I've met at
the club.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
So anyway, if you worry.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
And they'd be cool too, I will say that, as
Claudia's friend that she has allowed in spaces with you know,
partners that she's been involved with or whatever, that I've
been treated very nicely. I actually have gotten along with
people to the point where I wish that. You know,
of course I'm gonna be on Claudia side no matter what.
Fuck the niggas, you know what I'm saying. But I
have wanted certain situations to work out because I genuinely

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enjoyed the company of you know, the.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
People that she has introduced me to.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
I say that I'm trying to be as vague as possible, Claudia,
because you know, I.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Love you for that. I never hooked up with that person.
We met an event.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
And no, no, no no, I think he wanted you.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
We all will hang it out, but that he was
like wandering I with all my friends and like right away,
I was like, m but he's very fine. He's very
popular in Tyler Perry productions. Will say you are, there's
a lot of them. But I never touched him. We

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never made out, We never kissed, No that. But he
was at my house with a group of us. We
all went out that night. Yet that was not club
in Atlanta. It wasn't Christian k y'all, it was not Christian. Okay, names.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show anyway, And.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Tyler Perry do you have similar tastes like his taste in
casting and the.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
People that he.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
Is similar.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
What big that I do want to say is Ray draw.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Somebody wanted me to give y'all a message. Peter Thomas says, Hello, shout.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Out to my boy Peter.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Yes he's in right now.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Oh man, hi Peter.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yes he's he.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
He wanted me to tell you guys hello, he said.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Okay, I'm only saying this because he gave me permission,
because I'll know, I'm gonna make sure.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
So Peter Thomas wanted me to tell everybody he is
doing well, that he's hanging in there, he's in good spirit.
He said that this is the part that baby laugh.
He said, Well, don't Carlo, they know you here. I said,
oh the God tell me in prison. He said, yes,

(25:40):
don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Oh yes, love loud was king, Okay, do it.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
So one thing he did say was he mentioned that
every Saturday day, he said, they are glue in front
of the television watching Huntsville.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
He said, and in my mind, because I'm a little whatever,
I said, wait, just to be clear, you're like the
man's prison.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
He was like, yeah, and what do you think I mean?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
I'm like that sure, because I'm like he said, Carlos
is to the point where if you try to change
the channel, you're getting beat up. He said, they love Huntsville,
and he wanted me to tell everybody on Huntsville that
the prison mates, inmates, they love the show.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
And he wanted me to tell you, Claude, you dusted.
Hello and the rain drops he says, Hi.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Is that what he said?

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Just Hello?

Speaker 7 (26:42):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
But he wanted me to everybody like he's doing good,
that he's in he's in good spirits and and he's
rocking and rolling and and he's not sad depressed.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
He's doing his time and he's he's there to, you know,
do his thing and get out.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
He got fine.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Peter will be just fine. Don't you remember when he
whooped mad ass? Remember Matt that Kenya was Dayton and
he whooped mad ass at that radio station. It's all
it's online, you can look it up. Peter be mad
ass in that radio station. Matt really thought he had him.
Peter is an old school hustler. You know what I'm saying.
When Peter and Cynthia are together and I was around Peter.
He was always very nice to me. You know what

(27:21):
I'm saying. Of course, my loyalty's eyes was Cynthia and
always will but like he was cool, you know what
I'm saying. And I think that he'll handle him. So
I hate to see him in there, you know what
I'm saying, But he'll pay his debt and handle that.
So and I'm not worried about him behind them by
shout out to Peter and shout out to everybody in
the system, you know what I'm saying, who's paying their
debt properly, you know, is remorseful about whatever happened to them.

(27:44):
They're all shout out to my podcast, The friend Zone.
We got approved on some list of podcasts that people
can listen to that are incarcerated and whatever prison systems,
and we get tons and tons of support from people
that are incarcerated at this time. So that's a that's
an audience, that's a population. And who better to speak to,
you know what I'm saying that who better to give

(28:06):
information and make feel good than people who need it
at that time. So if y'all nigga's watching us right now,
you know what I'm saying, that's that's that's handling that.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
And locked up. Shout out to y'all hold your head.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Yeah, I used to have a connecting prison my one
of my friends, and they used to like study the
sports betting every day, and they used to give me
like ten team parlays.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
You told me it's a long time ago. You told
me that Cardia.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
Yes, shout out to Boo. I think his name is Boo.
He used to give me some good bets. I think
I want like five ten team parlays. I would like
throw a little something on his books, give his mama
some money. I know, I got a little rapticide.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Anyways, and they loved you from the Prices right too,
didn't you have a big audience in there from like
your time on the Price is Right.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Because back then the Price was Right was like pouring
back then for them. They could see girls.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
So wanted to make sure I stayed up before I
moved on.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
So last hot topic of the evening, speaking of casting,
The Real Housewives of New Jersey, as you all know, has.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Been put on palls for almost I think it's going
on the year.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
For my calculations due to the fact that last season,
the ladies were not getting along.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
It was destructive.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Rumors had it in the past week or two that
has been the talk of the town that they are
testing new housewives.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Potential housewives, but.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
The potential housewives are only filming allegedly with Dolores, Melissa Gorga,
and Margaret Josephs missing in terms of filming.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Is Teresa? Excuse me?

Speaker 6 (29:51):
So?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Teresa recently sent her podcast that you know, she felt
that last year the ladies were trying to out her out.
I mean I saw out so that she wouldn't come back,
so that it's been hard. Her guest Christian Gray said that,
you know, we got to make sure that we're not

(30:13):
doing this in this scene and we're not talking to
her in the scene. Is that what happens on these shows?
He feels like it shouldn't happen. Teresa says she agrees,
and that's why she feels like Salt Lake City is amazing.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
She's been watching the show and learning a lot from them.
So Dustin and Claudia.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Can the Real Housewives of New Jersey survive without Teresa Judas.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Full disclosure, I don't know who any of the my
girls are. I really don't. I don't I know who
Terreitha is. I've never seen one episode, so I have
to just tap out on this one and let the
reality show TV historian Dustin I have to.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
I relinquished my time.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Okay, look, snatches, Kate, let's go. First.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
Of all, Real Housewives of New Jersey is a ghetto
ass show. I don't care what nobody says. They've been
ghetto from day one, and that's why a certain audience
loved that show.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It also appealed to us. It was about.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Families, it was drama, and they never gave a fuck
about going to the line with the drama.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Right.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
It was a refreshing take on a bunch of white
ladies living in a you know what I'm saying, that
random neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
It was refreshing.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
We were able to identify with certain elements and themes
this whole Teresa Versus Melissa debate. This can be summed
up very simply by people who watched the show from
season one forward. Seasons one and two of the Real
Housewives of New Jersey. Teresa and her family were interesting.
We were captivated by them, her and all them daughters

(31:52):
and just everything going on with them. We didn't even
know that Teresa had a brother and a sister in law. Okay,
she never mentioned her family. She never exploited that very
serious rift that was going on in her family that
we didn't know anything about it. We found out about
it because Melissa was willing to introduce that family drama

(32:14):
and use it as something to position herself on the
cast of the show. That's what happened when Teresa, so
much so that when Teresa came on to season three,
episode one and she was at the baby's christening her
nephew or niece's it was one of her nephews, Christenings,
I think, and they had that big blow up in
the first episode. Melissa and her sisters was bringing the

(32:35):
straight up drama and they all introduced and Joe Gorga.
They introduced that family conflict to the audiences and to
the world.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Teresa never did that. Now.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
I have my personal take on Teresa and some of
what she's offered to that show, but take all that
out when it comes down.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
To Melissa versus Teresa.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Melissa and Joe are the ones who brought that family
drama to the forefront and used it as something to
position themselves on the show.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
That's simply what happened.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
You might ain't gotta like Teresa, you ain't gotta agree
with nothing else going on in her life, But when
we're talking about Melissa versus Teresa, that is what happened.
And because of that, I've never really seen the value
in Melissa on the show beyond her conflict with Teresa
and them which Teresa never used to be interesting on

(33:27):
the show. And that's the difference between the two of them.
Now has it run its course? Is it still absolutely?
Are the audiences as a whole ready to move on?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
For sure? Okay?

Speaker 5 (33:39):
But what happened is that Melissa and Joe were willing
to exploit their family drama to be on that show,
and they introduced all of that shit to the show.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
That's just the facts.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Now, you can't start a story in the middle, you
can't start it in the end close to the end.
Things have happened along the way that Teresa is at
fault for. She's had multiple opportunity it needs to quell
that drama and shut it down.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
She has not.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
But if we're talking about what happened, Melissa and Joe
brought that family drama to the show. Terita never used
that to be interesting on the show. That's the facts
we can go on.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
You're so there's such a like we're so lucky to
have you, like you're such a JOm Like I'm like,
I'm like, okay, yeah, I need to go back and
see this because I.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Don't know this ship, and damn you can just go.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
Like your brain is like an encyclopedia.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
That's what we get along because yours is too, you know, Claudia,
we can run it.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
You know what I'm saying, Yes, encyclopedia, but you have
that reality stuff down like you have so much like
your memory card is not full.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
My little.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
More bandwidth, okay, but you just go when you find
episode eight season two, remember that.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Thank you, Like remember that ship because I used to. Really,
I was caught up in that world.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
When they announced I remember them announcing, you know, it's
old time at the Apollo over here. I remember stuff,
and so I remember when they announced The Housewives of
New Jersey. I remember that first trailer. I remember season two,
the whole hair pulling moment with Jacqueline's daughter, which I
love the way they said her name Jacqueline. The would
call her Jacqueline. I love that, but I remember just

(35:21):
all those were huge moments, and Carlos, that's when you
were at the helm of you were producing over there,
when all that stuff was going on in seasons one
and two, that made everybody fall in love with the
Real Housewives of New Jersey. That's why it's still here,
so you know, return the form would be cool. The show,
Like I said, they ghetto. Danielle Cabral was yelling on
their last season, you're dirty, You're dirty, yelling at the

(35:44):
old girl's face, throwing glasses and shit. I remember when
them ghetto ass twins was on there fighting and them
firemen costumes and shit. It's been It's been multiple physical,
multiple physical altercations on Real house They've had.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
More fight than and just so you know, Claudia, the
Real Housewives Jersey has have more physical altercations than any housewives.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Of course.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Let me tell you, Italians and Irish are the what
word can I use of the whites you already know, Okay,
they are them. They are them Italians and the Irish
they are with the ships. They're the most I don't
want to say, yeah, the most.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
The Real Housewives in New Jersey that's what they get it.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
They get a going, they get a going. So listen,
Dustin is I don't have anything to say after what
Dustin just said. I mean, I agree with everything he said.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
The only thing I'm going to offer up as producer
is this, just because newbies aren't filming with all of
the potential housewives doesn't mean that that person is out right.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
And I'll give.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Claudia an example, because she's here. Claudia filmed with Kenya
right when she was testing out. Claudia did not film
with any of the housewives. So just because the new
the potential housewives are not filming with Teresa does not
mean Teresa is not coming back. Now, the rumor is

(37:06):
that if she's not coming back, it's because they're giving
Teresa her own show with her family, which would be great.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Too, But I want to offer it up, don't.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
I don't care about her family. I don't want to
see no damn show with Teresa and Louie and them
fucking kids. We don't know what Louise. We care about
Teresa's daughters because we've seen them.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
But they've been writing Donald Trump and doing all kinds
of shit that we're disinterested in right. So I personally,
just speaking for myself, I don't give a fuck about
the show with Teresa and her family. Teresa needs to
be on the Real Housewives of New Jersey. She needs
to figure it out when it comes to filming with Melissa,
because apparently Bravo sees valuing her and she ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
And so suck it up. Figure it out, Teresa, that
whole stalemate, not filming with this one and not filming
with that one. Don't nobody, none of.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
Y'all add enough value to the show to be able
to take that sort of stance and have it, you know,
have some weight and levity. Suck it up, be a
grown up, learn how to film, even if you have
to figure it out, so that we can get back
to what makes all of you interesting.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
We only like Teresa because she was on the Real
Housewives of New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
Outside of that, yes, she's got had cookbook success and
all the other shit, but that's been a derivative of
her run on the Real Housewives of New Jersey. She
owes it to herself to figure out how to if
this is your show and you started this shit whole court,
you know what I'm saying, it don't matter who they
bring on the show. You can deal with it and
figure it out, even if it's your sister in law

(38:30):
who you automatic. I've never understood why Teresa allowed herself
to succumb to Melissa's tactics. You were here first, hold
your ground and make Melissa uncomfortable on this damn show.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
That's what you should do. So all that, not on
the film or giving her her own show.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I don't give a damn about nothing going on in
that tacky ass house that looks like them tacky ass
decorations they put in the White House, all that gold
leaf shit, I don't care about.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
None of that. I want to see her on the
cast with the other women.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
Everybody thinks they need a spin off or deserve one,
or that they and not just housewives. I mean, everyone
thinks I should have a reality show. I should, I should,
I should spin off, And it's like it takes a
lot to carry that.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
You know. I'm so we we we shall see, we
shall see so. But as of now, no announcements have
been made.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
So with that being said, look, I would love to
see Teresa back on the show. I think Teresa the
face of the show. I think I was a producer.
It's her show, and I think in terms of advertising,
marketing and all of that, when advertisers and everybody hears
the real house spots from New Jersey, Like Claudia said,
Claudia knows not one person on that show besides Teresa

(39:41):
Judi and that's the reason why she needs to come
back to the show. So I'll just ended there. Now
let's get it to Love and Marriage Haunts Bill. So
this episode was a doozy. There was a lot going
on Dustin and Claudia. I first want to get into
what's going on between Destiny and Lance, so to update

(40:05):
the audience and to update well, don't needs up at YouTube.
Destiny is single, she was married, she's divorced. She's a
single mother. Okay, she is in hospital, Alabama that has
a population of eighty two people.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So I'm teasing you Forguret to take me seriously.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
So Hustbille as a small town, Destiny is a beautiful
single woman.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Lance is the adult son of Neil Fletcher.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Okay, that's still we're clear now with that being said,
just for you know, to let everyone know, because I
think y'all access last time Chris Fletcher is not Lance's
biological father. Okay, So Mail had Lance in a previous relationship. Okay,
Destiny dated Lance. Okay, they had a rendezvous. Destney said

(41:03):
it wasn't intimate. We'll get into that conversation letter that
she had with Neil. But while Destiny and Lance were
dating the day we tape the reunion last year. So
we take last year's reunion Claudia and Dustin in October
of twenty twenty four. We tape the reunion in Los Angeles. Okay,

(41:25):
nine times out of ten. The cast obviously likes to
stay a couple of days after because why not. Apparently
Lance Lance was there, but he was off camera. Apparently
the Fletchers left immediately, they left La and Latitia Scott,
and Nail's voice told Destiny that she heard they had

(41:48):
to run off because this woman that Lance was dating,
he got her pregnant and the lady was having the baby.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Okay, that's happened.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Allegedly, Destiny found out that Lance had a baby courtesy
uh Instagram.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
So in this one on one they have the conversation.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Claudia, want to start with you, as a woman, what
did you think about the fact that listen, Lance said
he did not hide his baby from Destiny.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
He was hiding the world from his baby. I'm saying that.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
Okay, but okay, okay, Drake, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
But when it comes to that, do you think as
a woman that Lance is Lance should have told Destiny.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yes, we're dating. Yes it's casual. I'm dating other women.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
However, I did get someone pregnant before nine months later
seeing the photo on Instagram, of.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Course, like why are we playing this woman's face like
like like she didn't have a valid point to feel away?
Of course I don't. Even if we're actually dating, you
having a baby, you're getting another woman pregnant is a
big occurrence in your life. Let's flip the script and
reverse it real quick. What if she would have just
got pregnant by someone else while she was casually dating Lands,

(43:12):
it would be the end of the world.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
She's a horror, she's for the streets.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
Like, let's let's normalize, like, you know, an equal playing
field here. Of course, that's a big deal. And she
doesn't have to be his woman official title for him
to share that with her, just being someone that's in
his orbit in his life. That's something I want to know.
I don't want to be with someone that has a
newborn baby because it always reflects badly on the woman
that's right after that, Like, you're not letting a family

(43:38):
be a family. You're interfering, You're in the way. What's
going on here? And yes, and you know, I take
issue with like Nell and I love now when she
was on the show. I think she's adorable. I love
her personality, but like, these are grown up, these are
not children. And having smoke for Destiny because she may
have flirted with someone else. I love the line that

(44:00):
Destney said, I may have been making googly eyes, but
he was making babies. I thought that was bars because okay,
well Britain bars. Okay, you know, not the first one
a pre write a read.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
But you know, there you go, fam, I'm making babies,
I'm making an eye. You know she was rapping.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
It's like the double standards is out of control.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
You know. I'm like, if someone has a baby while
we're dating, guess what. I can date your father, your cousin,
your brother, can date whoever the fuck I want. And
you can't really say anything about it because you are
out here raw dogging other people and made a baby,
so please stop playing with me and like to make
her like where the scarlet letter that.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
She's some half of the streets.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
I don't think she knew that that was a relative
when she saw him and made quote unquote googly eyes.
I feel like she saw a tall, good looking man,
which you know, in shape with You don't really see
that a lot, and everyone does that, Oh, who's that?

Speaker 7 (44:56):
Does she give him? Does she give him? Ask that night?

Speaker 6 (44:59):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
I don't know. Oh that's my opinion.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
Y'all know these people more than I do. But what
I'm looking at, I was like, I don't think she
was in the wrong. And the fact that she even
gave the respect to Lance and said, I'm letting you
know that I heard he's interested and if he does
ask me, I would be open to go on that.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
Why you're out here making children with other people? Think
she I think she handled it right in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Yeah, I'm rolling with Claudia on this one. I'm one
hundred percent in agreement. I'm over people trying to police
women's bodies. If Destiny wanted to fuck everybody on that show,
that she could morally so what she can do what
she wants to do.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
And I don't think that it's nails ain't none of
nails damn business.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
I actually, and I'm fresh off of that documentary on
Netflix's Unknown Number where that mother was sending them crazy
text to her daughter. So the whole other of like
over involvement of the mother in the child's very adult business,
I'm triggered by that.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
In this case, I.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Definitely thought Nail was overstepping the fuck out of her
boundaries by even having a conversation about what all these
grown people are doing with their privates.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I don't understand it, and then doubling down on the
fact I know he slept with it. I know, my boy,
all of that stuff, Like I just I was.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Like, damn Nell, Like if he's saying they didn't do it,
Destiny Flyers said in her scene that they did not
mess around, which they didn't have to say anything at all,
because it was nobody's business what the fuck they did.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
And even if and I thought it was interesting that
nobody Nails.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
All of Neil's vitry all was aimed at Destiny for
allegedly having involvement with these two men who had a
pre existent relationship as god brothers. But Neil didn't say
nothing to them, like, well, why y'all trying to fuck
on the same girl? You know what I'm saying, Like
that was not called out by her. So I'm one
hundred percent with Claudia on this. There is an obvious
double standard, and Destiny was in the right in this case.

(46:51):
She has four control over her autonomy. She can be
with whoever the hell she wants to be with. And
I do not believe for one second to her and
Lance where any form or semblance of anything serious. I
think that they were having fun and dating. As far
as this cast is concerned, Destiny is like the single
one who can be living that life and going on
dates and stuff.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
And if that's what she was doing, that's what she
was doing. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Yes, she was flirty with this one, flirty with that one,
but if her and him were not in a serious connection,
she had every right to do that. And so I
don't this all the involvement. I don't get led Destiny Rod.
That's hers to do whatever she want.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
To do it with and some I will never say
all or many, but there's some black mamas that are
very involved in their son's lives and almost treat them
like their man sometimes. And it's weird, right, Like it's
like when she started naming the names of all these
other men that alleging like kind of putting bodies on Destiny,
I thought that was kind of like not cool, Like
why would you do that? Like it was almost like

(47:49):
she was like, your son is the one that has
actual DNA evidence of being with other people, you know,
like while you're out here like kind of kind of
low key kind of shaming destiny. Your son is out
here like what they say, laying it low, spreading it wide.
I don't know whatever shout out to funky with the
saying but like you know for a fact that he's
been with other people, you're like a legend things about
this girl and it kind of like, you know, and

(48:10):
luckily Desinely had a good sense of humor about it
and she didn't seem to go off. But that usually
that that will put again a scarlet letter around a woman,
like why is it that she's so wrong for even
flirting or noticing an attractive man, But we're not having
the same accountability or smoke for someone that's dating seeing
this woman but then laid up with another woman and
got another woman pregnant and created a whole entire life.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
It's like, to me, like, they're not this, They're.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Not the same thing, and neither I'm sorry, I mean
to cut you off for him more.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
She's getting more like pushback, and it's like the people
not like destiny. Is that why they're like judging her
more harshly. But I think a lot of times mama
is of a black boys. Some black men be babying
their sons and they don't like they kind of like
co sign everything they do and they never really feel
like they have to have accountability for anything because the
mama always tells them, No, you're right baby, No, that's

(49:02):
a fast girl, that's them.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
No sometimes that you sometimes that you.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
I believe that a lot of what Neil was doing
in this episode was for the sorry y'all that's probably
in order coming through anyways is gonna happen, but okay, anyways,
I think that Neil was being performative. A lot of
that was for the camera based on what like, we

(49:31):
just had a great conversation with Neil on the show
A couple of weeks ago, based on what we've seen
in past seasons from her and the other scenes, she
was prying and really like tapping into that.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I think for the show. I think in real life
she wouldn't be that involved in our son's business.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
And I'll stop you there, not to get too much away,
not to give too much away, but I will say this,
Nell is a mama bear, and you'll see more of.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
The interaction she has with her family this season. But
when it comes to I'm not talking about her being
performed or whatever, but I think when it comes to
when it comes to her kids now, is definitely a
mama bear for sure.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Okay, well, then in that case, Neil, you're wrong. You're
wrong as hell.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
You need to get out of Destiny and the lance business.
They don't really have no business for you to be in,
especially if they didn't have sex, and even if they did,
they're grown adults. All these people are adults and everybody
needs to mind their business.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
So Nail, you're wrong, and that's that, you're wrong as hell.
Stay out their business.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
And it did it did feel like you know, when
you maybe you have a slow week with your drama
and your own storyline and you kind of have to
milk something. When I was looking at like produce her mind, like,
I was like, this feels that she's kind of dragging
us a little bit. Sd Max says, Italian mom is baby,
they're boys too. That is one thousand percent of facts.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
My mom.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
My mother is like one of seven and she has
one brother. And the way they would baby the brother
the boy like everything it is right, nothing is wrong
just because he has a penis. Like, honestly, some cultures
really just do not like to hold their sons accountable,
like they really treat them as the golden child.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
And I think Italians black folks very much do that.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
And that's, to me, is the beauty of this conversation, right,
because I do think it's funny because as you all know,
I'm one of ten kids.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I have nice siblings. And one of the topics is, well,
let me break it down first.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
It's seven boys and three girls, right, seven boys and
three girls, and my sisters high to Meka, Lakita and Carlita.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
They watched every Monday. My sisters will always tell my mom.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
You baby, these boys like you baby, these boys. And
it's funny because this is the best part of the conversation.
My two of my sisters obviously had children. They have
a daughter and a son, and their daughters told them
you baby my brother like so I thought it was

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interesting because it is sort of like, is it this cycle?
And that's the reason why when it comes to Nail,
Nell is very passionate when it comes to her kids.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
In general, Lance is her first born and that's her
Her first born.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Is a is a like you we said, a boy
a man, and that's why to me, it is interesting
to sort of see the mama bear come out when
it comes to it. And that's why rain das from
the chat, I do, I do want to talk about
this more in detail, not tonight, but just in general
as we sort of recap the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Do y'all feel like when.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
It comes to black mothers Italian mothers too, as as
you guys outline in the in the chat that they're
they're harder on their daughters than they are their boys.
Because that is a topic of conversation that my family had.
I'm singing on the show and Claudia and Dust and
I've raised the good points too when it comes to
DestinE that we'll say this when I created a Love

(53:09):
and Matter. TUN's bell obviously lives about three couples, but
similar to housewives, things change, and unfortunately the divorce rate
is that fifty one percent. I believe I always wanted
to tell the story of like look, just because your
divorce doesn't mean.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
You your life is over.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
I will always applaud destiny to tell the story of
I'm single, I should be dating and figuring life out.
I do think it's unfair, and I agree with Dustin
one hundred percent. I do think it's unfair that a
woman who is single is not allowed to day around

(53:47):
figure things out, and if she wants to sleep around,
it's her body, do what she wants to do. As
long as is her choice, her body, her choice will
This is a big topic the rest of the season.
But I will say is I applaud destiny because being
a single woman, Claudia, I would love to ask you this.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Being a single woman around married women and.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Married couples, it is harder because you are seen oftentimes.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
But again, I want Claudia as a pain on this
because I'm not a single woman.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
But Claudia, do you feel like unfortunately single women get
a bad rap for dating around town just because they're
around married couples and people look down on it.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
One thousand percent. You're always seen as a threat. I
can't tell you how many friends like you know, I'm
a relationship girl. When I'm in a relationship, I love
going on like couples trips. I love doing like double days.
I love that. I feel like it builds like kind
of community and like it's strong hands. It's really good
for your couples to be with other couples. But you know,
sometimes in between relationships, I'd be the single girl at

(54:55):
a wedding or on a trip, and I feel like
the men that have these women, they almost want to
keep their women away from me, their girlfriends, like I'm
gonna somehow encourage them to like creep or I'm gonna
have them around all these single men, and it's just
like not right, It's just not true. I remember one
year on a girl's trip, a Rata, who is Michael
Blackson's fiance. Michael Blackson came on the trip with us, right,

(55:19):
so he was the one man on a girl's trip
and he got to see what it was like and
he was actually blown away. And I was like, see
I wanted you to see this like we're not these
like we're not these threatening mystical beings that just have
supply of random extra spare dicks on hand for our
friends to just run through. It's not like that. But

(55:39):
people tend to think, Oh, that single girl's gonna take
you away and she's gonna have you around her single
baller friends, and you're gonna leave me for that. You
can be single and still be a good girls girl
and still be a pro relational friend. I always encourage
I'm not with that being a side chick or my
friends like cheating on their men. I'm always like, yo,
you need to talk to your man and figure it out. Like,

(56:00):
don't go to me for an alibi. Let's you're my Bessie, Bessie,
I got your back girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
But I'm saying like, I'm gonna call you, and I
ain't your girlfriend. I'm gonna call you.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
I would never try to encourage someone to, like, you know,
just be be trifled like that. Matter of fact, I
have friends that lie to me about what they're doing
because they know I don't play that. So yeah, they
definitely look at the single friend as like you're like,
you know, you represent temptation and like bringing their girl
like or you also can give them the game like girl,
there's still other men out there. And I hate that
they think that because if you get to know me,

(56:31):
you know I'm a very traditional relationship Like I'm traditional roles.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
Like I like, I don't like all that cheating nonsense.
I'm not with that. So, yeah, one thousand was sent.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
They think that we're like the Scarlet Letter once again,
like we're just We're gonna take your girl and make
a fuck somebody else.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
I'm like, no, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah, yeah, No.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
It's a very interesting topic and again it just explore
a few more times this season.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
But I want to move on to talk about the
men meet up.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
So Maurice decided to get all the guys together so
that Martel and Marcel are able to finally address their
long standing feud. Claudia, to catch you up on what's
been going on since day one, long story, short years
ago maybe ten years ago, no, I think he said nine.

(57:25):
Nine years ago.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Martel and Marcel decided to.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Go into business together and have a company named Scote
so it's Scott's and Hope Merge as one they called
it scope, okay. Martel is alleging that Marceau was on
hard times being a manager at the movie theater getting
fired for that's what he's saying, and that he was

(57:53):
in bad times and that's why Martel decided being in
good a good space financially to even have this company.
What happened is a few years later they decided to
disband the company and Martel decided to give Marcel the
name and walked away from it.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
What has been sort of a top of conversation ever
since then is Marcel and Martel being an odds alleged
cheating scandals. Martel has alledged to that Marcel has slept
in twenty women while he was married.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Martel did a YouTube interview.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
With a woman alleging to be one of Marcel's lady
friends that he slept with, and this is how everything
started to unravel in it when it came to their friendship.
So in this conversation, they really were throwing digs at
each other.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
But Dustin, you have.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Been around since season one, watching all of this for
the past ten seasons, what do you think is the
root of Martel at Marceau's issues.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
A lack of accountability on Martell's behalf. That's what I think.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
I think that Martel has been running from taking accountability
with the fact that he broke his family up and
that had overreaching impacts into their friendship circle, and he
is constantly running away from the acceptance and acknowledgment of
that fact, and it affects every area of his life
that we as viewers have been exposed to. So that's

(59:28):
what I think is the root of all that. Again,
you can't start a story at the end, in the middle,
or at the end. You have to start at the beginning.
And the root of their conflict came from Marceaul.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Marceul laid it out.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
He laid it out, He told jokes about something that
he thought was fodder amongst the group, lighthearted jokes. Martel
took issue with that because Martel was facing a lot
of accusations right which belonged in his lap, but he
was facing a lot at one time, and he decided
to act out towards Marceau in that way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
We saw him go way far with that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
Accused Latsia of sleeping with other people at some times
back in the day, bringing up things from back in
the day to try to make them look bad, right,
bringing up guys that said they had a sexual relationship
with her at a time when she was an adult
and single and able to do so. Bringing up the
fact that Marceau was managing that movie theater to try
to diminish him or look like he was at a

(01:00:24):
low earning job and was seeking some sort of relief
and help from Martel in partnership with him on scold.
That's why he brought all that up. You bringing those
things up to make him look like he needed your
help at one point. These are things that have nothing
to do with literally the root of your issue. And
so all that deflection, all that the accusations he threw.

(01:00:45):
While you can ask questions about the fidelity of Marceaul
and Latsia's Latisa Scott, you could ask questions about the
fidelity of their marriage, but that don't have shit to
do with what Martel did and what he took umbrage
with Marcel Scott for in the first place. You ain't
gotta like Marceau, You ain't gotta like le Tisa Scott.
You ain't gotta like them. You can have you can

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have very real feelings and opinions about the ways that
they have shown up in other relationships amongst the cast.
But if we talking about Martel and Marceaul, the fracture
of the relationship we were presented with Martella's at fault.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
That's just what it is.

Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
I'm gonna say this about Martella. If I was any
of the male cast members on this show, I would
never confide or tell him anything ever. Again, He's the
type of person that when he's on the hot seat,
he's gonna blow the whole thing up and bring everybody
down with him. He can't just stand in his truth
and his lane and say let's just talk about like
they can't, you know, and you have a conversation like

(01:01:45):
about you, you gotta be well, when you did this,
when you did that, when you did this, well, fuck it.
If I'm going down, everyone's going out. He reminds me
of the scene in the movie Why Did I Get
Married To with all the dinner table and everyone's like, oh, okay, okay,
we're telling secrets. Well, why don't you tell your wife
about where you're taking you know, antibiotics. Oh okay, we're
doing that, Well, why don't you say that's.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
What Martella is doing that's his whole thing.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
And yes, he was in the hot seat for a
long time from his own actions, and now he's not
so much on the hot seat like he's been in
the past. He feeling himself a little bit. So now
he's like getting everybody back. But when things were rough
for him, that's what it feels like to me. I'm
you know, it seems like he's like the way he
did that, like I know this guy code right, and
you know, you can't trust someone if in good times

(01:02:29):
all the things I tell you now or you know
you're gonna just put me on blasts on television like
that to use it in a tactic to win a fight.
I only would do that if it's someone I never ever, ever,
ever ever care to ever be around ever again.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
I'll be cool with.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
That's when you burn the whole thing down, Like he's
still kind of like one foot on, you know, he's
straddling the fence, like you're I don't get how he's
like going scorch to earth on everyone like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
To me, my thing is to Claudia, like what the
fuck we supposed to do with that? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
If anything, nigga, you laid up in the room while
they was fucking these other women, You was going on
trips with it. If what you're saying is true, you
are just as complicit, And don't tell me about it
now when you was alright with it before your shit
hit the fan and before your shit came out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I can't stand people like that. You just as bad.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
That don't make you look more pious or make you
look like you are you have any integrity. You kept
the line going as long as it served you, and
I can't stand motherfuckers like that. Don't tell me something
somebody did to me or how they wronged me, when
you were all right with them wronging me allegedly.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
You know, you laughing about it before.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
No, no, he does.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
He does give that. He's crashing out right now, but
he's trying to act cool and like I even know
the time he answered questions, his voice goes up. That's
a sign of man's line. Okay, person, when the register
goes up like that, and he's like, he's just interested
in trying to humiliate the other man, and that's that's
his defense mechanism, and that's I mean, that's very similar
to what the housewives do. So at this point, March

(01:04:00):
hopes give him a peach because he's earned it at
this point, being a messy up. He's being messy, he
being like one of the he's one of the girls
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
So worth I do what to talk about is doing
that conversation. Obviously it's it's between the two of them,
but there's four different men in the room, and a
lot of the men who were there just felt like
these two are getting anywhere. One of the things that
was talked about is did you guys get a sense

(01:04:33):
of what people are saying? And it's that these are
two theories and I want you to to tell me
your thoughts on it. Okay, Based on this scene, two
theories arose on social media. The first theory is the
form of jealousy. Okay, there's people who believe that Martel
is jealous of a success that Marceau has accumulated because

(01:04:58):
when he gave him the company, he did not think
Marceau would do anything with it, and when he sees
Marceau excelling, still.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Being married, having the family, having the job.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
There are people on social media who feels like the
basis of that scene that we saw was because they
felt like Martel is shocked that Marceau has made something
out of the company that he gave them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
I would say that, and like, listen, I'm not saying
the other guys are innocent. They very well may have
all done stuff right, and Marteau probably has some real
tea on them, because that's what happens when you're in
a friend circle. You guys do dirt together, right, But
he didn't have the same The other guys didn't have
the same consequences as Martel did. Martel has been on blast.
We all know him to be the cheat of the narcissist,

(01:05:47):
so he's probably like, damn we always getting grinme me,
Why am I the only one getting single?

Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
Though, So he's paying.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Them back Like that was just and not to cut
you off, just to talk about it. That was theory
number two how people felt.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
Yeah, so he wants like it's like we rob the
three of us go rob a bank together, right, and Carlos,
you're the only one that really gets caught. But we
all did it together, kind of like Phaedra and Angelo,
sant and Apollo, but really like all of them didn't
really get the same punishment, you know, so you would
feel a way if you're the one that actually served
the time and the other people didn't, you'd be like, nah, man,

(01:06:20):
y'all guilty too.

Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
And I hate that no one's seeing it. And I
think that's what he's feeling.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
If I had to like psychoanalyze with my limited you know, well,
with my college education, I think that's what it is.
He hates that the public doesn't see the other guys
like they see him, That's what I think. And I
think he wants them to get more dirt on them too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
He almost feels like, I agree. I agree with Claudia
one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
And listen, anybody would feel burdened right by the responsibility
of carrying that title, right when people know the dirt
you've done and know something that you're not proud of.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
We saw his marriage implo, we know why, and a
lot of people have strong opinions. Audience is very passionate.
The opinions get passionate. They take it very, very far
beyond the television screen. And so I'm sure that Martel
faced a lot of you know, hard shit about what
he did. But to me, if you're a person who

(01:07:18):
is facing your truth or whatever. If this other person
is not involved in what you had going on, it's
very immature to me to say, well, well, but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Look at what he did.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Look at what he did with her that I knew
and didn't tell nobody because he did that with them,
so be mad at them too. That's immaturity personified. And
so I don't care about the accusations that he sends
their way. Latissa Scott and Marceaul can work that out
on their own time and whatever. They seem to have
it figured out according to whatever, feel how you want
to feel about their marriage. But to me, it's lame

(01:07:50):
as hell to be dragging other people's stuff that doesn't
have anything to do with your situation into the forefront
when you simply don't want to face accountability, tired of
people telling you you're a bad person, which anybody would be,
but that doesn't give you license then to go try
to bring other people in there, bullshit that has nothing
to do with what you have going on, what you're

(01:08:10):
being held to the fire for, so to speak, into
the fold. It's just an immature take at the end
of the day, and that's why it doesn't make It
doesn't win him any points. To say, Okay, well they
was cheating with him too, so and I knew about it,
so now you know what I'm saying, Like, So what,
my nigga, you just you look even worse.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Like you look even worse in that situation. So That's
where I'm at with it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
Carlos, as your producer with your producer hat on, well
execut producer, show creator, do you think that if Martel
would just like stand on it right, regardless of what
the other what the smoke the other guys are or
are not getting, if he would have earlier on in
his career said I messed up. I'm going to take

(01:08:54):
accountability for what I did and be a change man.
I think he would go from being the least the
most hated to the most love. He's an attractive man,
he is charismatic, he's fun to look at, but like
I think that's the thing that holds him back is
that he refuses and then he goes petty. I think
it would make him look like a grown man. Do
you think he's capable of doing that? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I think this, I think based on the earlier season.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Dustin you, I would love to hear your thoughts too,
because you watch it since then, the infidelity that happened
in their marriage was discussed episode one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I've Seenzon one, Claudia.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
It was it was out the gate, and by episode
three is when he revealed to his boys at the
time it was Mark Tello Marie that he did Steposts
out of his marriage. So it wasn't anything that wasn't
kept a secret like like like it was since episode one.

(01:09:51):
It was out there that they had, you know, the
infidelity happened. I think what's happening is it's been this
sort of accusations flying right from everybody involved. And what
people don't understand, and that's why they'll always ask me
questions and I always tell them those three couples were

(01:10:14):
friends for six years before I even stepped in the picture.
They have a history of friendship, and Clauda is its
equivalent to if I came in and you and any
have an issue and then all of a sudden people
are like, well, Carlos is about that. I'm like, they've
been friends for decades. Yeah, we would have to spend

(01:10:38):
thirty years telling that story. And one thing that I
will say, and I've even said this on the air
at the reunion and I stand on this till this day.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I think all of them know way more about each
other than they have sat on the show. And I
know that I know that may sound weird to a
lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
I I strongly believe in my heart of hearts that yes,
thing's got messy, a lot of a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
I've been said that it's abhor it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
I still believe there's a lot of stuff that have
yet to be said, because I do feel like, in
some strange way I get an audience, there is still
this fine line of.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
What not to cross. If that makes no sense, right,
I don't know, you keep the line has been crossed.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Yeah, I mean, if we're sitting here, I'm with my
wife and you say that it took me, I'm not
gonna go.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
We're not gonna get too deep in the minutia of
all this. Yeah, but yes, I do believe a line
has been crossed at this point. I think that that's
why Marceau's take was so final on it. Marceaul was like,
I don't need no apology, I don't need nothing from you.
I'm not interested in resolved. You just stay in your space.
I stay in mind. He wasn't interested in because he
said that he felt like Tell was going to repeat

(01:12:00):
the behavior, and based on what we've seen, he has now. Listen,
Martell is not the first person that made a mistake
and stepped out of their marriage or repeated a mistake
and did that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
But after that, we've seen him literally be nasty.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
We've seen him go low, We've seen him run from accountability,
and all of these things that compile ill two us
not having a trust with him as an audience.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
When we watched the show, Martell had opportunity after opportunity
and continues to have opportunity because he hasn't done it yet. Right,
He continues to have an opportunity to kind of reroute
and change his approach to everything that we've been exposed
to about his very personal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Business, right, but he won't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Instead, he chooses to find something else slatious to introduce,
or find something else to try to expose, or he's
pointing at everybody but himself.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
And that's what we're getting on the screen.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
And that's why I think it's hard for some people,
because I'm sure he got people that connect with him
and want to see him win, like we all do.
I don't want to see nothing bad happen to Martell,
but he don't want to see nothing good happen to
himself based on what the fuck we're seeing on the show.
And that's where the challenge comes in. So I think, yes, Claudia,
to your point earlier. I think if he had stood

(01:13:14):
in it and been like, I made a mistake and
I feel bad about that, but motherfucker you're wrong for this,
Da da da, I think people would have a totally
different reception from him. It's all this stuff, and then
we're exposed to stuff that goes on outside of the show,
and all this shit. It's hard to kind of see
him as a person who is even seeking that sort

(01:13:34):
of redemption for his image or for what people think
about his character. We don't even know if he wants it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
M M. I don't think he does. I think he's
you know, you know, when you have an argument with
someone or you have an issue with like someone you're dating,
our friend, and you're like, you know, I have to
tell you something about something that you said that bothers me,
and you want them to hear you and receive it.
Process it and then you know, and instead of them
listening to you as soon as you're done talking to go,
but you did this to me, and you're like, wait, wait,

(01:14:00):
let's let's start with what you did first, and then
we'll get to that. And you never get any result
with those kinds of contents. Because I'm not saying that
that everybody else is innocent. I'm not saying that Martell
is the only bad guy here, the only one that.
I'm not saying that, but the way his approach to
it makes it hard to empathize for him or sympathize
sympathize for him when and now we're not talking about

(01:14:20):
what Marceau may have done because we're just stuck on
what Martell did because of how he responds. It's like, yeah,
because the co Saw comment was kind of that was
kind of a little sague, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:32):
The co saw side the side thing he said he wanted.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
To he went and he said it too. He said
it in the scene. I'm saying, it's a rattle this cage.
He said it, you know what I'm saying. I think
that's the difference you see when Marcel does when Marcel,
when Martel does and says things he says, He just
says them and tries to divert the attention.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
At least. Marceau is like, yeah, I'm saying it to
funk with him.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yeah, no, like I said no.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
And that's the thing, and that's the reason why you know,
when you watch the scene isn't going anywhere because it
was digs after digs, and when your intention is to
just throw out the worst dig to one up each other,
it's hard to listen to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
And that's why next week they are going to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Have a one on one sit down without anybody to
really see if they're able to come to an agreement
of how to move forward in all of this, because
it did get to a point where they just weren't
hearing each other and and and that goes to show

(01:15:39):
you that is because look, they're hurt, and it's it's
it's it's it's evident.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
We'll see what happens next week.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with The Lack
Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube
channel at Big Carlos King Underscore.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Thanks for listening and celebrating five years of the Black
Effect podcast network with us. Keep following because the next
five years are about to be even bigger

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