September 19, 2025 • 46 mins
Alexis Bellino is back with Carlos for their weekly Real Housewives of Orange County recap! The two dive into the ick-factor of Slade’s sexy recording of Tamra, whether Gretchen may have overplayed her hand, and which cast member would truly surprise Carlos if asked back next season. Plus! Are we missing Katie? Carlos shares his thoughts on her absence.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey Brain Drugs. Of today's episode Reality with.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The King, we are recapping another doozy episode of The
Real house Wasser words, Telty and my girl is back
to deal with me. The beautiful blonde bombshell Alexis Leena.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, I'm pretty blonde now I've been a little blonder.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You great, good.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thanks you did the wedding.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
The wedding procedures have paid off, Carlos. All the all
the needles, all the all the bruising, all the swelling,
it's now better.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know. I didn't plump anything, I didn't put anything
in like uh fillers.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
But I have botox and micro needle beyond capacity. And
thank you to all my doctors.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well girl, send them to me.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Honey as the refro because whatever you got a will
all the bit you look amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You really didn't really hear.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, so girl, we have to get to this episode,
so let's just get right into it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The knee. So the episode began with the continuation the
ladies having dinner. In this dinner, you know, the cliffhanger
last week was Tamera telling Shannon, well, look, I'm not
the only one who concerned about you. Gina is. So
now we get Gina's response to that particular.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Moment, and look, Gina's like, I was can serve, But look, Tamra, Mike,
conserve for Shannis started when you took her out to
have a drink after YouTube. You know, we're making up
and all of those things, and that's not something good
to do.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Tamra's like, look, I damned if I do. I damned.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The by do drinking is Shanna's love language. That's what
she wanted to do. I didn't think it's a bad idea.
Everyone sort of slip on this, but alexis, what do
you think about that? Is Tamara the wrong for taking
Shannon outward drinking knowing that she may she may allegedly,
you know, have a issue with alcohol.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, you know, I'm opinionated, but this one I am
with the audience.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I am.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I am torn because here's the reason why Tamar's doing
everything she can to just let she Hada know, like.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Look, we I mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We both have fed up, We've both been not great
friends at certain times, but we have a job to do.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So I kind of feel that side from Tamra.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
But then again, I see Gina side where it's like,
could you have made up a secret handshake or something like,
I mean, I don't know, there could have been something
else or let's go get a coffee, probably with a
shot of Baileyes in it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But anyway, I don't know. I'm torn too.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now listen, I'm torn as well because the thing is
bits if someone really does have a relationship with alcohol,
the last thing you do is sort of introduce to them.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They're not not introduced, but reintroduced to them.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The problem from what I gathered from the season, if
I'm not mistaken, Alexus correct me if I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Wrong, Shannon never said she.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Gave up alcohol, and I think that's the difference that
exactly is.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, So I am.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Signing more on the Tamra side of things only because
if Shanna said emphatically, luck, I don't want to drink anymore.
I've been going to a a I have a sponsor
that Tamara is a bath riad. Shannon clearly drinks around
them where they're at these restaurants, when they're when they're
you know, hanging out. So if Tamra's like, look, you're
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you're you're drinking, why didn't it have a drink in solidarity?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Exactly? She never Shannon never said I'm I don't I'm sober.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I'm not drinking anymore, because you know, sure as well,
none of those housewives are gonna take Shannon to go
get a shot if she says she's sober.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You know. So that is a very good point, very
good point.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But I do still see Gina's side only because it's like, look,
you can't preach all last season and all this time
that you think she has a drinking problem and then go, hey, buddy,
let's go big cocktail, you know, like, But and then again,
I just I see Tamra's side too. I'm definitely torn it.
But I don't think Tamra just because of what you said.
I don't think it's completely off limits. When Shannon's sitting
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there drink, making every single meal, every single morning when
they have she have pain, so she hasn't stopped.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So yeah, yeah, she had lifted. I watched the show Shannon.
It said that her DUI and these are her words.
Now I'm paraphrasing, of course, but she said like, look,
it was an isolated incident and that she doesn't have
a drinking problem.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now. The person who also had.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
A DUI on this cast is Gina, and Gina doesn't
drink anymore. And I think that's the reason why, in
Gena's defense, she's way more sensitive to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The idea of what she's recognizing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And I think I think what Gina should more articulate
is the fact that look, as a person who had
a bad relationship with alcohol, who had to give up alcohol,
maybe there are sides that I'm seeing in Shannon than
I saw myself. That's why I'm way more sensitive to
it than any of these women.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Very true, Very true.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, And I respect and commend Gina for you know,
she didn't quit.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
She didn't quit right after the DUI.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I think it was like a whole other year or
something that went by that she drank, but she originally
like she she realized and recognized, Okay, I'm going to stop,
and she did. And I loved her comment when she's like,
that's what you call California sober, Like she still, you know,
smokes a joint.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But that's why I appreciate Gina obviously being concerned because
of what she's been through.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And look, I think it tough to Shannon. I will
say this.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I think Shannon has to figure out for herself whether
or not she feels like she has luck.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
As of now, it doesn't seem like she does, and
that's a paromative. But I don't think you should attack Tamera.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
For letting her have a drink if that's what she's
been doing on camera off camera anyway. So exactly, I'm
from the old Tamera's side when she said, I'm damn
with by do, I'm damned by doubt. And we'll get
into the rest of the episode, but before we get
to all of that, we have to talk about the
person at whose job Nowaday seems to be exposing any
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and everything Tamra has done, and that is your favorite
person has Slade.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Okay, but you know what, I knew you were probably
gonna go here.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, how can you not after that episode?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But Carlos, like I said it, last episode that we did,
the last podcast we did together, he just needs to
get a job.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's like he wants to be the next housewife.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He's gonna be sallacious and bring up stupid stuff. I
think him and Gretchen jumped on the tear down the
Tamra train like they're on that train, tear down Tamra
train exit B, like that's where they're at.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And so I don't know. It's the whole thing is frustrating.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And it's like, you notice how Tamar didn't bring them
up one time on her trip or at all the
season so far, And that's all Gretchen and Slade can
talk about. Well, Slay, who shouldn't even be a part
of it, but you know Gretchen can talk about so
I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's just I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I gotta be honest with she was Cavia Brooks, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So to update the audience, the girls on the trip,
we have Emily, Heather and Gretchen is hanging out was
fult of like this slumber party and itaily brings up like, oh,
I've heard you have a song.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
That Tamra saying and a recording studio.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Emily didn't bring it up. No, Gretchen's the one that
brought up.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Gretchen goes, oh, I have four songs, and then she
goes and Tamra house are song and it's Gretchen purposely
brought that up. You could tell she could not wait
to get that brought up. So and then Emily was
just like, well, now I'm not gonna let it die now.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I want to hear the song.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So do I.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
By the way, so do I? And I don't. I
haven't even heard it yet, So I want to hear
the song.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, I did too.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I'm like to give you Molly Cyrus and byonce, you know,
most wanted like what.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Was not saying?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
She was not trying to like record this was that's
a funny thing between her and her neighbor.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
She was not trying to become Beyonce.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Okay, she you know Tamor she makes fun of herself
and takes her top off on television like she's she's
just that girl. And so her and her neighbor were
recording a song and it wasn't to go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It was just fun.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
And now here it is made into this stupid scandalous
thing that's not there. It's not there. She didn't sleep
with this guy. She's friends with the husband and the wife.
So you can completely reject all that. Okay, just one
more thing that's not true coming out of their minds.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, well, let's get into it because the allegation that
Slade has and listen, I gotta be honest as somebody
who enjoyed Gretchen a lot when she was on the
show seventeen years ago, I have to agree with you, Alexis,
and I think in this scene it was the realization
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that Gretchen's producer is Slade.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Thank you very much. You said it.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's girlfriend, that is her, Jimmy Jeame and Terry Liliz
that is her.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That's her manager, it's her producer, it's her slipper.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
As you said, it's it is a borderline gross.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
But unfortunately, yes, unfortunately he's he's he didn't go to
college to do that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He doesn't have the he doesn't have the credentials to
be a producer, so he's not it's not landing well,
so she needs to actually hire someone that will do it,
and he needs to go get a job, like I've said.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Well, and then it came out, which we're going to
get to. Speaking of job, it came out that Gretchen
does pay for everything and he is a living off
of her. So it's like, I mean, and their whole
story doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I just feel I feel like Gretchen can be so
funny and so fun on her own that she doesn't
need all of this other stuff and to try to
take Tamer down to be the cool girl. Like, I
just think she would have gotten a lot better, you know,
receiving the audience, receiving her better if she just would
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have just came on the show.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But look at me, Everyone says that about me.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
If I wouldn't have defended John last season, I would
have had a better you know, receiving Here's the thing.
I didn't defend him the whole time. Everything else is
on the chopping room floor. All they aired was me
defending him. So that was just my job last year
was to have that be my persona on the show,
which is fine. However, it is obvious that Gretchen does
want to tear tamer down because Tamor's name doesn't even
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come up half the time, and she's the.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
One that brings it up. So that's the part that
bothers me.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, it bothers me too, And it bothers me because look,
when you look at Slade, listen, not an im all
for somebody doing fun Shade, that's the nature of the show.
What's becoming growth to me is the fact that everything
seems to be pre played and pre produced to.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The point where it was pampully obvious they wanted to
get out there that Tambra allegedly he slept with this
person in the studio and that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They actually have audio of Tamra allegedly having sex, which
to me is disgusting, is gross.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So we go from hospital to alleged roofiness to now
saying that you guys have a sex tape via audio
of this woman and how apparently Slayed heard it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And then you know.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Gretchen is not making sense because Gretchen literally said that
someone sent the audio to Slade. And then when Emily
looks to Gretchen and says, you said you have the audio.
Gretchen says, no, I've heard the audio of Tamra in
the studio trying to sing the song. So look, Gretchen
obviously lied to Emily's faith, and now I'm questioning once again. Look,
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Katie has lied and we know that. But now I'm like, Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Katie is not lying when it comes to what you said.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Now I'm like, look, I believe every fucking thing Katie
has said about Bretch at this.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
First of all, I'm so glad you caught that because
I caught it and I was gonna bring it up
if if it would have remembered it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But I totally I had that in my mind.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I'm like, she just got caught lying again over something stupid.
She could have just said Slade heard it or whatever
said she said, no it got sent to Slade.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, No, the stories didn't line up at all.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And the fact, by the way, Tara and this other
you know, neighbor friend and his wife are ready to sue,
so they better shush it. Like she's done. She's like this, yeah, yeah,
they're ready. She's like, this needs to stop. It's the
dumbest rumor I've ever heard it didn't happen, and I'm
friends with them, Like like, how dare them even say?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And then Slade said he heard it or someone heard them.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
The song went into that other people were in the studio,
you idiots. It wasn't just him and her in the
studio recording the song.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's like, I mean it just.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
The whole thing is just it gives me that that
icky feeling like ooh you know slimy.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, well blat slaty slade flat.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
The big is this, So you're saying that the person
that they're alleging Tamra have this affair within the studio is.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Actually friends Like yeah, yeah, So the guy is married
and they're both friends with Tamra and they're saying this
never has happened, and they're like ready to sue, which
is interesting because I did hear that you heard it too?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
How the names were bleeped out?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, And that's exactly why, because it is it is
to the point where first of all, this poor neighbor
guy is getting brought into a TV show that he
wants nothing to do with, and the wife and him
are friends with Tamra and he knows that this is
not possible, not even true at any measure. So it's like,
you know, slander and defamation can be proven or libel.
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I don't know which one it would be, but anyways,
it can be proven. As we know, Tama's not a
litigious person because she got sued.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It doesn't really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
But I mean, I'm speaking for her now, so I
don't know if she really feels that way, but I do.
I think she doesn't want to. But at the same time,
what the heck?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show. You're saying that.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
This couple is tensed that their names are being used
pretty much for a storyline.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
For scandalous, salacious stuff that's not true. Yes, they're pissed.
Everyone's pissed. Tamra's pissed too.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
But you know, I think if it wouldn't have gone
this far, and it would have been just some little
if you know, tamer would have blown it off because
she does it.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She knows how to do a TV show.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
But now it's yeah, it's just it's gross and it's
it's a lie.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm so disappointed. And Gretchen. I just don't think she
needed to come in like this. I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean, just listen, I'm gonna say, they said you're
my friends, so I'm gonna I'm gonna compare it to
your last season, right, because again there's gonna be people saying, well,
Carlos Alexis came a hot last season, and I'm and
I want us to talk about it right in your defense,
Like you said, obviously a lot of things weren't shown.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And at the end of the day, at the end.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Of the day, you are in real life getting married
to john and obviously his access on the show.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're a friend, uh, she's a housewife.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The playing level is definitely not in your favor because
you don't get a chance to say everything you need
to say to defend yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And at the end of the day, you to come
in with this conspiracy, do you like? I think, yes,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That's the difference because I tell you something Carlos along
those lines.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So I would be told don't talk about him.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Like every house I'd be like, stop talking about Johnson,
And I was like, Okay, I don't need.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
To talk about him. He's not I have a lot
going on in my life. He is not my everything.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I mean, he is my everything, and I am marrying
him in a few days, but he's not like I
have a lot going on. He didn't need to be
my storyline.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So I would ovoue by that.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And I wouldn't even even if we had a great
night out the night before and I had story about
him or something, I would not talk about it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, just don't bring up John.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
But every freaking scene one of the housewives would bring
him up and say something to me about it. So,
by the way, as you can tell, I'm a passionate,
opinionated human being. And if you bring up my husband,
who I knew I was gonna marry at the time,
even back then, if you bring up my husband, I'm
going to eat you alive. Like, don't bring up his name,
and I will go get the proof. I will get
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the truth.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And it will be told.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So that's what happened, And it was really unfair because
I felt like I was damned if I do and
damned if I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Just like Tamara, it was like if I didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Bring him up, someone else would, and then they'd accuse
him of something. That's not true, then they'd have pity
on Shannon when she calls the mess herself.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's all of her mess. So I was just I
was literally in a tornado.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But you're right, Gretchen's is not that she doesn't have
to bring Tamar's name and none of it needs to
be told.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But I think when Gretchen.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Came on, she's like, who now I can take her down,
you know, and it's backfiring, you know, because Tamra was disliked.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Last season just as much as me, because she is
my friend and she went down with me.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Okay, she came down sunk the lexus because Tamra's my buddy.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
So that's a true friend, by the way, right there,
that's someone who is a writer die friend, which even
though like she kind of screwed me a little bit
on that last scene of season eighteen, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
The truth is she's my writer die friend. Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
So the problem is I think Gretchen was piggybacking on
that and thinking, oh good now the audience hates her,
I'm just going to take her down now, and it's
not working because first of all, what you have aren't facts.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What you have are.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Falsehoods by a false producer telling you what to do.
So get the facts before you bring stuff like that
to a TV show.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
It is people's lives, no listen, I Tod not agree more.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And that's why I believe that Gretchen saw that the
audience was not on Tamra's side. And I do believe
that Hear and Slade had a plan to take down
Tamera because they thought that's what the audists wanted to
see and look and their defense, sure, that is probably
what the audists wanted to see. However, the difference is
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it has to be something that makes.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Sense and tangible.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Not being Rufie, not going to the hospital after Nickod
releted it, not saying this woman had a fair in
recording studio and you guys have the audio. All of
that to me is when it's becoming to the point
where it's I'm trying to find my word to use
without being so like big like NBC like you are, Alexis.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's just it's it's dangerous. I just feel like
it's not fun. It's day jurists lies.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
But yeah, that's what I was going to say, the
life part, because here's the deal, Carlos. Sorry, I'm drinking
die coke and I just had hiccup. So here's the thing.
If what they were saying was real, then people would
kind of jump on board. But first of all, the
roofie thing has been shown that it was a lie,
and the Gretchen's trying to backpedal and say she didn't
say it.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And then now the audio they said.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Or that he heard it and all this, they said
they had the actual, you know, evidence of it and
it was sentis late, and then she backpeddled on that.
I think that's also what's making the audience go hm,
because the audience isn't stupid, you know, they're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, And this is why the next day
Gretcha wakes up regretting it. And let's be clear, it's
because her ins Laye had a conversation afterwards and.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
She felt like, oh my gosh, this did not go
the way we planned it to go. She knew she
was caught in a lie.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And the fact that she's telling you how an Emily, Hey,
please don't break it up to Tamra.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I just don't want to get into with her. I
don't want to make this a big deal.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's sort of like, we are going to make this
a big deal because you made it a big deal by.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
A lunching that this moment was fucking literally.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Around in a studio and you don't expect this to
come back.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And you know how this show works. I think dretching
overplay her hand.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You're filming a TV show. You think it's not gonna
come out.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
There's cameras there, mother ever, there's cameras. But you know,
first of all, they got her naked wasted again, which
they weren't meaning to do.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But second of all, like that's why she was slippery
loose mouth. I mean, she was wasted, okay, but it's.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Like me last I last season though, listen, I'm self deprecating. Okay,
last season when I brought up the videos, I didn't
mean to. And then I was like, I was even
sitting bed again. We're the cameras still rolling then or not,
and we weren't. We weren't drunk then, okay, we were
just up talking. And I get fired up about Johnny
because everything was not true that was being told about him,
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and I was I was losing my marbles by how
many accusations and how I needed to calm down, and
I'm like Shannon to stop up and lying.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That's what I wanted to happen. And so anyways, that's
when that came up, and I put my foot literally
like put my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Okay, so I can get that camera or Gretchen probably
had a cocktail too.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Many and then was like, ooh, this is fun.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Let's just get it all out there, and then regretted
it the next morning.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's what I think happened.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And they haven't taped the reunion yet on those coming up.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Listen as of now.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
As of now, I will be surprised and Gretchen's acts
back next season.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I just don't see a world in wish she camera
co from this.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I don't know. I don't know what is the problem
like this, Bravo is its own animal. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
They do things sometimes that are just it doesn't make
sense to us, but then they I don't, so I
don't know. I can't even I have tried to project
the future with all of that before. I never thought
I I get I'd never get thought I get about
asked back after ten years.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So you know, I just I leave it to them.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
They obviously know what they're doing because it's our twentieth
season now, So yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Project you're right about that. You're right about that about
that at all. A theme that I thought was super
said and one of the reasons why I do enjoy
watching Gina. So you know, Travini's Gina's boyfriend is trying
to get custody of his children, and when it comes
(23:34):
to the mother of his children, she's preventing their son allegedly.
That's what Gina is saying, that she's allegedly preventing their
son from being around them, proclaiming that he doesn't feel
safe around Gina and Travis, and Travis has a court
day coming up.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It really made me feel sad, and again it is
one of the reasons.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Why I do love this show, because we can get
to the mess and the scandal, the scamp, those nature things,
but it's these real story lies that I think makes
oh See so special because I appreciate it seeing Gena
emok about this.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Obviously, you know what.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
It's like to be divorced and to try to make
things work when it comes to co parenting. What did
you think about what Gena Travis is going through and
what advice would you give to them?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean, it sinks.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That's why I said nobody wants to get married to
get the divorce. I mean, it just is not in
people's People don't walk down the aisle to get a
divorce and then have kids hoping that they raise them
and broken family. It is the hardest thing for parents
to do is to lose their kids fifty.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Percent of the time. And I think that. I think
the only.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Thing Gina and Travis can do is be steadfast and
stay calm and show their truth and court.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I mean, obviously, did they say this is going to
go to court? Didn't she say? I'm thinking she said she.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I don't know if they, but anyway, if there's a
bottle over the battle over the kids, it's going to
go to court. So I just think they have to
stay I mean, lawyer up with the best one you
can and stay calm and don't don't bat mouth that
other parent, take the facts. Start journaling, like I journaled
everything all the time when I you know, when we
were fifty to fifty and then I got the kids
full time, but I journaled every day, what would happen,
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everything in and out. I sent it all to my
attorney every time, like you you have to have the
the you know, the story behind it too to and
the facts to prove it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Heart I feel horrible for.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Them now, ad adtu.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's so interesting because on the real health wots of Miami,
that is something that Lisa talked about. Her lawyers recommended
her to do as well as to take note of everything,
to drink everything, every single thing is it is one
of the reasons to do that Alexis is to have
this sort of log of what happens so that you
(25:56):
can figure a case.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
In a court of law.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you have to. I mean you
have to have it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And that was the number one thing from the attorney
was just Alexis journal every day.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So and I still have them. I mean it didn't
matter because we didn't have to go to court. It
just it just they just moved in but which was
a blessing in disguise. But I did have it.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
So I think that Gina needs to start that today
and maybe even go back in our memory and remember
certain to go back to texts and look at the
text from her and Travis Stones and record things from
that so that you can redrag your memory about what
happened in April, you know kind of thing. So it
just sinks that it seeks to be on a television
show and have to you know that that's exploited. But
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you are on reality, so you're right, your personal life
does come out, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, But she's relatable because a lot of people go
through this. I mean, look at the doors right in California,
it's like seventy five percent, So a lot of people
can relate to this.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Which is wild, which is wild, But no, I think
Gina's so relatable. Again, we saw her battle alcoholism, the
d UI, this, this relationship with Travis, going through divorce
from her ex husband, being as thing a mom, getting
her real estate license. Like listen, I know, Gina Emily
get a lot of shit on social media and whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's that.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
But what I will say is I think Gina has
always been somebody that's given her reality to the show
and that should not be taken for granted because a
lot of these other women do not do so.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Which leads me to the next topic of the conversation,
which was.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The moment Alexis that went left and I did not
see it coming.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So the girls are hanging out towards the end of the.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Episode and Shannon is talking about, you know, what she
is going through in therapy her her parents. Tama listen now,
Shannon is evoting, and I'm like, okay, it's nice to
hear personal story. Talma's like, oh, you know your father
(27:56):
had a drinking problem too. Is that's something that you
know you talk on a therapy and Alexis Bellino. Shannon
lost her shit and felt that Tamera had no right
to bring this up on television right now, whether or
not that is something that she kept private. I get
that because the father is on camera to defit himself.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
So I get it. I get it, I get I
get it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The part that I don't get and I would love
to get your thoughts on it. And it then became
a question of Tamra's intentions in terms of why did
she bring it up and what we talked about earlier
that I wanted to relate to this scene is what
Tamra said at the time of the episode.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And I said this last week to you about I'm
getting assists that they want to ice.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Al Tamra again. I don't.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
I did not think for one second that Tamera brought
up her father's alcoholism to relate to the girls and
the audience that Shannon also had to take a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I thought that was a reach. I didn't get that
one bad.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I have to be honest because I have to act
like Tamar's not my friend right now, and I try
to be objective during this podcast so that the truth,
like I want to tell, I want to speak the
truth from what I.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Think the viewers think.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Okay, I I think in hindsight, and I have not
spoken to Tamar about this, so I'm totally speaking not
I don't know if this is how she felt, but
I think she probably regretted it. Alf I think in
the moment, she one hundred percent was trying to relate
to Shannon, be kind to Shannon, like help Shannon.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I think at the.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
After that she probably was like, Yeah, it probably wasn't
the worst thing to say.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Because I'm watching it, I'm going, ohugh, oh, you're trying to.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
Get back in there, and then you just happened to
just go there. The little you know, could totally be
taken but taken bad. But the problem is Shannon is
very sensitive to that subject. You know, she's defensive about
the subject of alcohol in general because of everyone thinks
she has a drinking problem.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
So I think that that it really went low for Shannon.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
But I also think Shannon is just not going to ever,
you know, I think Tama's trying to do it for
the show and like, Okay, look, we got to move on.
We're creating a show here, and Shannon's just holds grudges
and stays bitter and is not going to move forward.
I mean, she's not budging at all, like you know,
and and I do see honestly where Shannon could be
like that was kind of low Tamar. You know, like
(30:30):
if that was set in confidence, and that's the truth,
that it was set in confidence and not to be
you know, not to be shared on television, which I
didn't watch all the other seasons, so I don't know
if it got brought up in any other episode that
you know, her dad had a drinking problem. But anyway,
either any way around it, I kind of see where
it should not have been said. There's other ways to
(30:51):
try to relate with Shannon. But I don't think Tamra
did it intentionally to start. You could even tell by
Tamra's personality or like or like like Aura in that moment,
She's sitting there like really concerned and she's like, well
this if this is festering inside, like you really do
you know?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
She was coming from a place of caring.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
It sounded like not like because what Tamma's on on camera,
Tamra on camera, Tamera, Oh.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That was good? Anyway, that was I didn't I didn't
know that. By the way, on.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Camera, camera camera, if you can see that, she's like,
can't wait to throw that napkin in Jin's face, you know,
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But this seemed like a heart felt, like in the
moment kind of Tamera.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know, first of all, I actual people hunch percent,
you know. I agree that. That's why I said earlier,
I don't understand why Shanna felt like that's not a
good place to break up something about my own father.
I have as for sin agree with that that's.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Not Tarra's place to break up anything relating to someone else.
My biggest thing was I do not think Tamra had
bad attentions right taking it up to Shannon. I thought
the same thing you did, Like, she's in the moment,
she's trying to get back in there, and I think
what the audience doesn't quite understand, and I think, oh,
(32:12):
I'm curious if you know more about this obviously than
we do, because you're friends with camera. Shanna and Tamra,
we're best friends for over a decade and had several conversations.
And one thing I do know producing these shows, Alexis,
is unless you tell somebody, do not bring us up
(32:35):
on camera when I'm about to tell you.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
There's so much.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Information you know about a person that when you're trying
to be really the moment, it is sometimes hard to
say to yourself, oh, but cameras aren't here, I should
not bring us up because I don't know if that's
something that's off limits, whereas there's other things I know
that are off limits.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And that's the reason why I didn't think Tamra was
trying to be a bad friend.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I thought that Tamar was like, oh, I know this
because we talked a lot, and that's why way she
saw Shanni's reaction, she did not double down on it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
She did not make excuses for it.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
She said, Okay, I didn't know, but I wasn't trying
to do that and felt the need to lead this
scene to crime. But do you think the audience and
maybe you know more too, that she had Tamar really
had a brow friendship at one.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Point they did. They did, and I do agree with
you on that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I didn't think about that perspective, but yeah, because like,
but here's the thing, like Tamara knows a lot about me,
I know a lot about her, and we don't talk
about those things on camera because we have said those
exact words to each other, like this is this is
just between and you, you know, kind of thing kind
of like music off the record when you're talking to
a reporter, you know, it's like yes, So so I
think that I And perhaps it was because it was
(33:50):
so in the moment that Tamra was like oops, you know,
I guess now I truely and I should ask her
about this because I haven't talked to her about that,
but I wonder if she did, like after, you know,
on the drive home, kind of think yeah, maybe I
should have said that, you know, because you have to
go back in your whole ten years of a friendship
and go, wait, what did we say not to say?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And what did we say? Was okay to say? You
know so?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
And maybe Tamer was thinking Shannon's drinking issue is so
public now you know, the whole world knows it and
sees it, so maybe it's not a bad thing to
talk about her dad now too, because it is out there.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I don't know, Carlos. I wouldn't have said it. I'm
telling you that I wouldn't. If I was in Tamer's
shoes and had known that information, I would not have
gone there.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So let's just that, get that clear.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, now, listen, that's why if that not the thing,
that's why it's so hard with these shows because on
one hand, we want real friendships and we want broke conversations,
but when it happened, the other person breaks up the
fourth wall and says, I'll want that to be probably television,
which again I get it. Shannon's ninety six year old
(34:59):
five is not to defend himself. And look, I'm somebody
who has a dad, thankfully who's still alive, and I
don't want to expose his business to the world because
I decided to be a person on camera, not him.
So I totally get it. The response though, with so
(35:20):
Jen felt like, no, I believe Tamara did that have
with bad attention. I think she did it so that
the world and the girls can relate Shannon's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Looked to her dance and see that it's a pattern
in the history there.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Said let me go get to the bottom of thisss
and went in and legitimately I believed her when she
was like going and she wasn't trying to stir the pot,
she would like camera. I don't remember how she worded it,
so paraphrasing, but like Tamra, what did you mean that?
What was that meant as a dig? And then when
Tamra says no, then aren't in a good place?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I mean, it seems like they're always bickering on the show.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
But then she goes to Jen, goes to Shannon and
then said, look, I asked her, it wasn't a dick.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
She said, it wasn't a dick.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
So I appreciated Jenn in that moment for actually being
the one trying to get to the bottom of it
and being objective for a moment instead of being biased.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
You know, I agree, I agree, I agree, and look,
Shannon's like whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I believe. What I believe is she left.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Listen, I, like I said to you before, Shannon is
great television. I based on what I saw this episode two,
I am still going.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
To say this. I think Shannon needs a break.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Because I'm over the walking away, I'm over not dealing
with things hit on and really having a conversation. She
doesn't like Tamra. And look, what I will say is
is Shannathan fence. I understand because Tamra was not nice
to her last season and the things that Tamarra said
to Shannon was not nice.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And I understand that. But you're either going to move
on or not.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And if your stance is and I do not want
to be friends with you, just stand on business, stay
on that shit and don't play this sort of like
dangling situation to where we're fine.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
We're not fine. I'm ready, I'm not ready.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I think that's confusing for any friend to be like
where did we go from here? And I based on
this episode, I just don't think Shannon Tamara would ever
be friends again.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I think Tamara's trying.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think Tamra other still, she did a lot of
dash shit to her last season.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
But I also think Shannon is not.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Giving Tamara any sort of any sort of half to
have a reconciliation, to at least be friends, maybe not
best friends, but to at least be friends.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Well my take on that is to kind of top
with yourself, like go along with what you're saying, is
I think their friendship would never be more more than
a TV friendship at this point.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think too much water is at the bridge.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I think that it would be a working relationship, which
is what needs to happen on these TV shows. Not
everyone can be best friends, not everyone can have a
true friendship aside from the show.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You have to have the TV friendships and you have
to have the real friendships.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So I think that that is what Shannon should try
to do, is at least have enough kumbaya.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They're not going to call each other and go off
for coffee. I mean, let's be real, They're not.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
There's I mean, and you're talking about how bad Tamra
was to Shannon, but Shannon ghosted Tamra when Tamar got
kicked off the show, ghosted her after a ten year
of friendship, so you know, so I don't know, there's
a lot of there's a lot of things between both
of them that were wrong and that showed, you know,
and then Tamara never felt like Shannon Barah felt like
(38:48):
Tamar felt like Shannon never actually like reached out and
said how are you?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
How is your life? It was always Tamar trying to
fix Shannon.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
But along those lines when you said Shannon needs a pause,
Here's the thing. Shannon keeps saying in her interviews confessionals
that she's never been happier.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
But yet she's crying every single episode. She's never smiling anymore.
She's it was even last season. She's just she's not happy.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
So I do feel like she needs a reset button,
like a little maybe a pause would have her start
getting into her own life, get a hobby, get find
something else that makes you excited about life again, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
So yeah, I mean maybe a pause would be good
for her.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah. I think that's my think.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think when it comes to Shannon, I think she's
had a lot of bad things happen to her right
and she will always give my grace for that.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Self induced I have to do Okay, no, no, no,
let's let's talk about let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Obviously, I was.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Going back to the first introduction of what she was
going through with a divorce.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Dat years ago. Okay, yeah, like like.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
This the pattern here. Listen it. I may be the
minority in the situation, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I don't think Shannon has ever healed from David.
Speaker 9 (40:16):
I watched the show and looked when a man cheats
only you in that way and the embarrassedment that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Followed, and you have.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Daughters, right, I think that I and you're still filming
a TV show.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I don't think Shannon ever had the time to heal
from David and everything.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Like you said that We're going to be honest here
that has been self induced is because of my opinion
she had she has. She has not allowed herself to
heal from what her David went through because she never
all that matters with and I think like most women,
like most women who deal with infidelity, I do believe
(41:06):
she thought David would change.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, I mean I didn't.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I didn't watch that season, but I heard about obviously
the news and stuff that I I mean, my heart
goes out to anyone who gets cheated on, for sure,
and any any marriage that dissolves, because regardless of his
fault it is, or if it's fifty to fifty of faults,
it's not easy and it stinks. So maybe you are
one hundred percent right that that is what catapulted all
(41:32):
of the tornado that is around Shannon. You know, like,
maybe that is yeah, yeah, so that's that's pretty insightful.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Well, you're not trying to be a like, say, you know,
I've been doing this for a long time. I'm talking
to me a little bit of sightful.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So hopefully that that gives reasons So listed I'm asking
for the plause because I think she.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Needs a year off to heal herself.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
And I I just don't think she has done the
work because rightfully so, she hasn't had the time because
she's been filming ever since that whole situation happened. But nevertheless, nevertheless, listen,
oh see, is a Katie less season? My last question
for you, Alexi before ibably let you go to your busy, busy,
(42:19):
busy busy life.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
My darling, are you missing Katie from the show?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I am.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
I don't know if I'm in the minority or the majority,
but I you know, and I'm even a little bit
mad still about her lying about the whole audio and
memo thing. But see how I can get over things
because I'm forty eight years old and it's like, okay,
it's let's.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Move on everybody. But I am I. I don't see
a way that she can be around the women.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
It seems like they have iced her out and they
don't trust her enough to have her even in a
realm of work, realm way.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
But of the show.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
But I loved her confessionals. I think she's funny. I
love her. Her husband, so I you know, I want
more of him on the show because I think he's
the crack up, you know, and he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Produce her obviously, and he does it.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
You know, he is a mate that's like, I'm your
companion and I'm here to defend you, but I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Do your job for you or be your business partner.
So anyway, I just I miss her.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I hope that.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
I mean, I thought she's at least it's the reunion, right, Like,
I don't know, do you have any intel on that, Carlos,
give us the intel.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Look at you after we have a good question. You know,
I love that.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
You have friends in high places, honey, So you you
give us a little bit of goose. Like I said
last week, juseid gossip, give us a lib. I just
hope at the reunion and can speak a little bit
of her mind.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
You know she's not perfect.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
We know she has a slippery mouth when it and
and and you know, but I don't feel like she
has a heart like Gretchen has. I feel like Gretchen
came in and is telling why and just in destruction mode.
I feel like Katie simply has loose lips and doesn't
mean things to slip out when they do, and then
she back peddles. Well, I think they're totally two different intentions.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I agree, And look, I think I think I miss her.
I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Number one, I do one thousand, one hundred percent believe
she'll be ole to you again.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
One percent.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Okay, so we get we get to see that for sure.
I drew you, Alexus. I miss her because at the
end of the day she added something that was interesting
to watch, brother than I thought she was a liar,
and listen, I do think she has lied. However, she's
not the first the only Housewatch we have lied about
some feet so so I have never ever ever asked
(44:48):
for the firing of Katie Janella.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I will say this, love her, hate her. She brought
something interesting to the show.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
She it was, and that's why I said to me
to the audience, she this enigma. My opinion about her
remains the same. But I never was said give off
my show. It was more so like if you can't
handle they, he'd get off the kitchen. But I would
rather see her fight through getting her voice heard than
(45:17):
what i've seen now.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
And I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
I hope she comes on that reunion if what you
say is true, I hope she comes on that reunion
and is strong, bold, has a voice and says her
peace to where the Bramos like, yeah, we kind of
eat her back, you know, And hopefully the other women can,
you know, have a little bit of a shift in heart,
maybe just a little just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I don't think Heather de Row will ever im was
shifting heart with her. But we'll see. I mean, Heather
is pretty, Heather is pretty forgiving, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope so. Well, look,
let's Melina. I can't think you enough for stepping into
reality for the King.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
From the OC recap get almot her Dan, Girl and
I will see you next Friday.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Bye everybody, frie.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Bye boo.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Bye.
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Speaker 1 (46:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey Brain Drugs. Of today's episode Reality with.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The King, we are recapping another doozy episode of The
Real house Wasser words, Telty and my girl is back
to deal with me. The beautiful blonde bombshell Alexis Leena.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, I'm pretty blonde now I've been a little blonder.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You great, good.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thanks you did the wedding.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
The wedding procedures have paid off, Carlos. All the all
the needles, all the all the bruising, all the swelling,
it's now better.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know. I didn't plump anything, I didn't put anything
in like uh fillers.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
But I have botox and micro needle beyond capacity. And
thank you to all my doctors.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well girl, send them to me.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Honey as the refro because whatever you got a will
all the bit you look amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You really didn't really hear.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, so girl, we have to get to this episode,
so let's just get right into it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The knee. So the episode began with the continuation the
ladies having dinner. In this dinner, you know, the cliffhanger
last week was Tamera telling Shannon, well, look, I'm not
the only one who concerned about you. Gina is. So
now we get Gina's response to that particular.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Moment, and look, Gina's like, I was can serve, But look, Tamra, Mike,
conserve for Shannis started when you took her out to
have a drink after YouTube. You know, we're making up
and all of those things, and that's not something good
to do.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Tamra's like, look, I damned if I do. I damned.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The by do drinking is Shanna's love language. That's what
she wanted to do. I didn't think it's a bad idea.
Everyone sort of slip on this, but alexis, what do
you think about that? Is Tamara the wrong for taking
Shannon outward drinking knowing that she may she may allegedly,
you know, have a issue with alcohol.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, you know, I'm opinionated, but this one I am
with the audience.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I am.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I am torn because here's the reason why Tamar's doing
everything she can to just let she Hada know, like.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Look, we I mean, I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We both have fed up, We've both been not great
friends at certain times, but we have a job to do.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So I kind of feel that side from Tamra.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
But then again, I see Gina side where it's like,
could you have made up a secret handshake or something like,
I mean, I don't know, there could have been something
else or let's go get a coffee, probably with a
shot of Baileyes in it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But anyway, I don't know. I'm torn too.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now listen, I'm torn as well because the thing is
bits if someone really does have a relationship with alcohol,
the last thing you do is sort of introduce to them.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They're not not introduced, but reintroduced to them.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The problem from what I gathered from the season, if
I'm not mistaken, Alexus correct me if I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Wrong, Shannon never said she.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Gave up alcohol, and I think that's the difference that
exactly is.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, So I am.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Signing more on the Tamra side of things only because
if Shanna said emphatically, luck, I don't want to drink anymore.
I've been going to a a I have a sponsor
that Tamara is a bath riad. Shannon clearly drinks around
them where they're at these restaurants, when they're when they're
you know, hanging out. So if Tamra's like, look, you're
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you're you're drinking, why didn't it have a drink in solidarity?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Exactly? She never Shannon never said I'm I don't I'm sober.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I'm not drinking anymore, because you know, sure as well,
none of those housewives are gonna take Shannon to go
get a shot if she says she's sober.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You know. So that is a very good point, very
good point.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But I do still see Gina's side only because it's like, look,
you can't preach all last season and all this time
that you think she has a drinking problem and then go, hey, buddy,
let's go big cocktail, you know, like, But and then again,
I just I see Tamra's side too. I'm definitely torn it.
But I don't think Tamra just because of what you said.
I don't think it's completely off limits. When Shannon's sitting
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there drink, making every single meal, every single morning when
they have she have pain, so she hasn't stopped.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So yeah, yeah, she had lifted. I watched the show Shannon.
It said that her DUI and these are her words.
Now I'm paraphrasing, of course, but she said like, look,
it was an isolated incident and that she doesn't have
a drinking problem.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now. The person who also had.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
A DUI on this cast is Gina, and Gina doesn't
drink anymore. And I think that's the reason why, in
Gena's defense, she's way more sensitive to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The idea of what she's recognizing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And I think I think what Gina should more articulate
is the fact that look, as a person who had
a bad relationship with alcohol, who had to give up alcohol,
maybe there are sides that I'm seeing in Shannon than
I saw myself. That's why I'm way more sensitive to
it than any of these women.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Very true, Very true.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, And I respect and commend Gina for you know,
she didn't quit.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
She didn't quit right after the DUI.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I think it was like a whole other year or
something that went by that she drank, but she originally
like she she realized and recognized, Okay, I'm going to stop,
and she did. And I loved her comment when she's like,
that's what you call California sober, Like she still, you know,
smokes a joint.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But that's why I appreciate Gina obviously being concerned because
of what she's been through.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And look, I think it tough to Shannon. I will
say this.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I think Shannon has to figure out for herself whether
or not she feels like she has luck.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
As of now, it doesn't seem like she does, and
that's a paromative. But I don't think you should attack Tamera.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
For letting her have a drink if that's what she's
been doing on camera off camera anyway. So exactly, I'm
from the old Tamera's side when she said, I'm damn
with by do, I'm damned by doubt. And we'll get
into the rest of the episode, but before we get
to all of that, we have to talk about the
person at whose job Nowaday seems to be exposing any
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and everything Tamra has done, and that is your favorite
person has Slade.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Okay, but you know what, I knew you were probably
gonna go here.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, how can you not after that episode?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But Carlos, like I said it, last episode that we did,
the last podcast we did together, he just needs to
get a job.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's like he wants to be the next housewife.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
He's gonna be sallacious and bring up stupid stuff. I
think him and Gretchen jumped on the tear down the
Tamra train like they're on that train, tear down Tamra
train exit B, like that's where they're at.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And so I don't know. It's the whole thing is frustrating.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And it's like, you notice how Tamar didn't bring them
up one time on her trip or at all the
season so far, And that's all Gretchen and Slade can
talk about. Well, Slay, who shouldn't even be a part
of it, but you know Gretchen can talk about so
I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's just I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I gotta be honest with she was Cavia Brooks, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So to update the audience, the girls on the trip,
we have Emily, Heather and Gretchen is hanging out was
fult of like this slumber party and itaily brings up like, oh,
I've heard you have a song.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
That Tamra saying and a recording studio.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Emily didn't bring it up. No, Gretchen's the one that
brought up.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Gretchen goes, oh, I have four songs, and then she
goes and Tamra house are song and it's Gretchen purposely
brought that up. You could tell she could not wait
to get that brought up. So and then Emily was
just like, well, now I'm not gonna let it die now.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I want to hear the song.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So do I.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
By the way, so do I? And I don't. I
haven't even heard it yet, So I want to hear
the song.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, I did too.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I'm like to give you Molly Cyrus and byonce, you know,
most wanted like what.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Was not saying?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
She was not trying to like record this was that's
a funny thing between her and her neighbor.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
She was not trying to become Beyonce.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Okay, she you know Tamor she makes fun of herself
and takes her top off on television like she's she's
just that girl. And so her and her neighbor were
recording a song and it wasn't to go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It was just fun.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
And now here it is made into this stupid scandalous
thing that's not there. It's not there. She didn't sleep
with this guy. She's friends with the husband and the wife.
So you can completely reject all that. Okay, just one
more thing that's not true coming out of their minds.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, well, let's get into it because the allegation that
Slade has and listen, I gotta be honest as somebody
who enjoyed Gretchen a lot when she was on the
show seventeen years ago, I have to agree with you, Alexis,
and I think in this scene it was the realization
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that Gretchen's producer is Slade.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Thank you very much. You said it.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's girlfriend, that is her, Jimmy Jeame and Terry Liliz
that is her.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That's her manager, it's her producer, it's her slipper.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
As you said, it's it is a borderline gross.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
But unfortunately, yes, unfortunately he's he's he didn't go to
college to do that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He doesn't have the he doesn't have the credentials to
be a producer, so he's not it's not landing well,
so she needs to actually hire someone that will do it,
and he needs to go get a job, like I've said.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Well, and then it came out, which we're going to
get to. Speaking of job, it came out that Gretchen
does pay for everything and he is a living off
of her. So it's like, I mean, and their whole
story doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I just feel I feel like Gretchen can be so
funny and so fun on her own that she doesn't
need all of this other stuff and to try to
take Tamer down to be the cool girl. Like, I
just think she would have gotten a lot better, you know,
receiving the audience, receiving her better if she just would
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have just came on the show.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But look at me, Everyone says that about me.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
If I wouldn't have defended John last season, I would
have had a better you know, receiving Here's the thing.
I didn't defend him the whole time. Everything else is
on the chopping room floor. All they aired was me
defending him. So that was just my job last year
was to have that be my persona on the show,
which is fine. However, it is obvious that Gretchen does
want to tear tamer down because Tamor's name doesn't even
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come up half the time, and she's the.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
One that brings it up. So that's the part that
bothers me.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, it bothers me too, And it bothers me because look,
when you look at Slade, listen, not an im all
for somebody doing fun Shade, that's the nature of the show.
What's becoming growth to me is the fact that everything
seems to be pre played and pre produced to.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The point where it was pampully obvious they wanted to
get out there that Tambra allegedly he slept with this
person in the studio and that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They actually have audio of Tamra allegedly having sex, which
to me is disgusting, is gross.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So we go from hospital to alleged roofiness to now
saying that you guys have a sex tape via audio
of this woman and how apparently Slayed heard it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And then you know.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Gretchen is not making sense because Gretchen literally said that
someone sent the audio to Slade. And then when Emily
looks to Gretchen and says, you said you have the audio.
Gretchen says, no, I've heard the audio of Tamra in
the studio trying to sing the song. So look, Gretchen
obviously lied to Emily's faith, and now I'm questioning once again. Look,
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Katie has lied and we know that. But now I'm like, Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Katie is not lying when it comes to what you said.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Now I'm like, look, I believe every fucking thing Katie
has said about Bretch at this.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
First of all, I'm so glad you caught that because
I caught it and I was gonna bring it up
if if it would have remembered it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But I totally I had that in my mind.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I'm like, she just got caught lying again over something stupid.
She could have just said Slade heard it or whatever
said she said, no it got sent to Slade.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, No, the stories didn't line up at all.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And the fact, by the way, Tara and this other
you know, neighbor friend and his wife are ready to sue,
so they better shush it. Like she's done. She's like this, yeah, yeah,
they're ready. She's like, this needs to stop. It's the
dumbest rumor I've ever heard it didn't happen, and I'm
friends with them, Like like, how dare them even say?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And then Slade said he heard it or someone heard them.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
The song went into that other people were in the studio,
you idiots. It wasn't just him and her in the
studio recording the song.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's like, I mean it just.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
The whole thing is just it gives me that that
icky feeling like ooh you know slimy.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, well blat slaty slade flat.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
The big is this, So you're saying that the person
that they're alleging Tamra have this affair within the studio is.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Actually friends Like yeah, yeah, So the guy is married
and they're both friends with Tamra and they're saying this
never has happened, and they're like ready to sue, which
is interesting because I did hear that you heard it too?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
How the names were bleeped out?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, And that's exactly why, because it is it is
to the point where first of all, this poor neighbor
guy is getting brought into a TV show that he
wants nothing to do with, and the wife and him
are friends with Tamra and he knows that this is
not possible, not even true at any measure. So it's like,
you know, slander and defamation can be proven or libel.
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I don't know which one it would be, but anyways,
it can be proven. As we know, Tama's not a
litigious person because she got sued.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It doesn't really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
But I mean, I'm speaking for her now, so I
don't know if she really feels that way, but I do.
I think she doesn't want to. But at the same time,
what the heck?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show. You're saying that.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
This couple is tensed that their names are being used
pretty much for a storyline.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
For scandalous, salacious stuff that's not true. Yes, they're pissed.
Everyone's pissed. Tamra's pissed too.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
But you know, I think if it wouldn't have gone
this far, and it would have been just some little
if you know, tamer would have blown it off because
she does it.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She knows how to do a TV show.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
But now it's yeah, it's just it's gross and it's
it's a lie.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm so disappointed. And Gretchen. I just don't think she
needed to come in like this. I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean, just listen, I'm gonna say, they said you're
my friends, so I'm gonna I'm gonna compare it to
your last season, right, because again there's gonna be people saying, well,
Carlos Alexis came a hot last season, and I'm and
I want us to talk about it right in your defense,
Like you said, obviously a lot of things weren't shown.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And at the end of the day, at the end.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Of the day, you are in real life getting married
to john and obviously his access on the show.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're a friend, uh, she's a housewife.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The playing level is definitely not in your favor because
you don't get a chance to say everything you need
to say to defend yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And at the end of the day, you to come
in with this conspiracy, do you like? I think, yes,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That's the difference because I tell you something Carlos along
those lines.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So I would be told don't talk about him.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Like every house I'd be like, stop talking about Johnson,
And I was like, Okay, I don't need.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
To talk about him. He's not I have a lot
going on in my life. He is not my everything.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I mean, he is my everything, and I am marrying
him in a few days, but he's not like I
have a lot going on. He didn't need to be
my storyline.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So I would ovoue by that.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And I wouldn't even even if we had a great
night out the night before and I had story about
him or something, I would not talk about it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, just don't bring up John.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
But every freaking scene one of the housewives would bring
him up and say something to me about it. So,
by the way, as you can tell, I'm a passionate,
opinionated human being. And if you bring up my husband,
who I knew I was gonna marry at the time,
even back then, if you bring up my husband, I'm
going to eat you alive. Like, don't bring up his name,
and I will go get the proof. I will get
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the truth.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And it will be told.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So that's what happened, And it was really unfair because
I felt like I was damned if I do and
damned if I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Just like Tamara, it was like if I didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Bring him up, someone else would, and then they'd accuse
him of something. That's not true, then they'd have pity
on Shannon when she calls the mess herself.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's all of her mess. So I was just I
was literally in a tornado.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But you're right, Gretchen's is not that she doesn't have
to bring Tamar's name and none of it needs to
be told.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But I think when Gretchen.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Came on, she's like, who now I can take her down,
you know, and it's backfiring, you know, because Tamra was disliked.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Last season just as much as me, because she is
my friend and she went down with me.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Okay, she came down sunk the lexus because Tamra's my buddy.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
So that's a true friend, by the way, right there,
that's someone who is a writer die friend, which even
though like she kind of screwed me a little bit
on that last scene of season eighteen, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
The truth is she's my writer die friend. Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
So the problem is I think Gretchen was piggybacking on
that and thinking, oh good now the audience hates her,
I'm just going to take her down now, and it's
not working because first of all, what you have aren't facts.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What you have are.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Falsehoods by a false producer telling you what to do.
So get the facts before you bring stuff like that
to a TV show.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
It is people's lives, no listen, I Tod not agree more.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And that's why I believe that Gretchen saw that the
audience was not on Tamra's side. And I do believe
that Hear and Slade had a plan to take down
Tamera because they thought that's what the audists wanted to
see and look and their defense, sure, that is probably
what the audists wanted to see. However, the difference is
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it has to be something that makes.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Sense and tangible.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Not being Rufie, not going to the hospital after Nickod
releted it, not saying this woman had a fair in
recording studio and you guys have the audio. All of
that to me is when it's becoming to the point
where it's I'm trying to find my word to use
without being so like big like NBC like you are, Alexis.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's just it's it's dangerous. I just feel like
it's not fun. It's day jurists lies.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
But yeah, that's what I was going to say, the
life part, because here's the deal, Carlos. Sorry, I'm drinking
die coke and I just had hiccup. So here's the thing.
If what they were saying was real, then people would
kind of jump on board. But first of all, the
roofie thing has been shown that it was a lie,
and the Gretchen's trying to backpedal and say she didn't
say it.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And then now the audio they said.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Or that he heard it and all this, they said
they had the actual, you know, evidence of it and
it was sentis late, and then she backpeddled on that.
I think that's also what's making the audience go hm,
because the audience isn't stupid, you know, they're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, And this is why the next day
Gretcha wakes up regretting it. And let's be clear, it's
because her ins Laye had a conversation afterwards and.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
She felt like, oh my gosh, this did not go
the way we planned it to go. She knew she
was caught in a lie.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And the fact that she's telling you how an Emily, Hey,
please don't break it up to Tamra.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I just don't want to get into with her. I
don't want to make this a big deal.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's sort of like, we are going to make this
a big deal because you made it a big deal by.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
A lunching that this moment was fucking literally.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Around in a studio and you don't expect this to
come back.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And you know how this show works. I think dretching
overplay her hand.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You're filming a TV show. You think it's not gonna
come out.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
There's cameras there, mother ever, there's cameras. But you know,
first of all, they got her naked wasted again, which
they weren't meaning to do.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But second of all, like that's why she was slippery
loose mouth. I mean, she was wasted, okay, but it's.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Like me last I last season though, listen, I'm self deprecating. Okay,
last season when I brought up the videos, I didn't
mean to. And then I was like, I was even
sitting bed again. We're the cameras still rolling then or not,
and we weren't. We weren't drunk then, okay, we were
just up talking. And I get fired up about Johnny
because everything was not true that was being told about him,
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and I was I was losing my marbles by how
many accusations and how I needed to calm down, and
I'm like Shannon to stop up and lying.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That's what I wanted to happen. And so anyways, that's
when that came up, and I put my foot literally
like put my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Okay, so I can get that camera or Gretchen probably
had a cocktail too.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Many and then was like, ooh, this is fun.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Let's just get it all out there, and then regretted
it the next morning.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's what I think happened.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And they haven't taped the reunion yet on those coming up.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Listen as of now.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
As of now, I will be surprised and Gretchen's acts
back next season.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I just don't see a world in wish she camera
co from this.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I don't know. I don't know what is the problem
like this, Bravo is its own animal. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
They do things sometimes that are just it doesn't make
sense to us, but then they I don't, so I
don't know. I can't even I have tried to project
the future with all of that before. I never thought
I I get I'd never get thought I get about
asked back after ten years.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So you know, I just I leave it to them.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
They obviously know what they're doing because it's our twentieth
season now, So yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Project you're right about that. You're right about that about
that at all. A theme that I thought was super
said and one of the reasons why I do enjoy
watching Gina. So you know, Travini's Gina's boyfriend is trying
to get custody of his children, and when it comes
(23:34):
to the mother of his children, she's preventing their son allegedly.
That's what Gina is saying, that she's allegedly preventing their
son from being around them, proclaiming that he doesn't feel
safe around Gina and Travis, and Travis has a court
day coming up.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It really made me feel sad, and again it is
one of the reasons.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Why I do love this show, because we can get
to the mess and the scandal, the scamp, those nature things,
but it's these real story lies that I think makes
oh See so special because I appreciate it seeing Gena
emok about this.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Obviously, you know what.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
It's like to be divorced and to try to make
things work when it comes to co parenting. What did
you think about what Gena Travis is going through and
what advice would you give to them?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean, it sinks.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That's why I said nobody wants to get married to
get the divorce. I mean, it just is not in
people's People don't walk down the aisle to get a
divorce and then have kids hoping that they raise them
and broken family. It is the hardest thing for parents
to do is to lose their kids fifty.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Percent of the time. And I think that. I think
the only.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Thing Gina and Travis can do is be steadfast and
stay calm and show their truth and court.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I mean, obviously, did they say this is going to
go to court? Didn't she say? I'm thinking she said she.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I don't know if they, but anyway, if there's a
bottle over the battle over the kids, it's going to
go to court. So I just think they have to
stay I mean, lawyer up with the best one you
can and stay calm and don't don't bat mouth that
other parent, take the facts. Start journaling, like I journaled
everything all the time when I you know, when we
were fifty to fifty and then I got the kids
full time, but I journaled every day, what would happen,
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everything in and out. I sent it all to my
attorney every time, like you you have to have the
the you know, the story behind it too to and
the facts to prove it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Heart I feel horrible for.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Them now, ad adtu.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's so interesting because on the real health wots of Miami,
that is something that Lisa talked about. Her lawyers recommended
her to do as well as to take note of everything,
to drink everything, every single thing is it is one
of the reasons to do that Alexis is to have
this sort of log of what happens so that you
(25:56):
can figure a case.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
In a court of law.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you have to. I mean you
have to have it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And that was the number one thing from the attorney
was just Alexis journal every day.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So and I still have them. I mean it didn't
matter because we didn't have to go to court. It
just it just they just moved in but which was
a blessing in disguise. But I did have it.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
So I think that Gina needs to start that today
and maybe even go back in our memory and remember
certain to go back to texts and look at the
text from her and Travis Stones and record things from
that so that you can redrag your memory about what
happened in April, you know kind of thing. So it
just sinks that it seeks to be on a television
show and have to you know that that's exploited. But
(26:38):
you are on reality, so you're right, your personal life
does come out, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, But she's relatable because a lot of people go
through this. I mean, look at the doors right in California,
it's like seventy five percent, So a lot of people
can relate to this.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Which is wild, which is wild, But no, I think
Gina's so relatable. Again, we saw her battle alcoholism, the
d UI, this, this relationship with Travis, going through divorce
from her ex husband, being as thing a mom, getting
her real estate license. Like listen, I know, Gina Emily
get a lot of shit on social media and whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's that.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
But what I will say is I think Gina has
always been somebody that's given her reality to the show
and that should not be taken for granted because a
lot of these other women do not do so.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Which leads me to the next topic of the conversation,
which was.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The moment Alexis that went left and I did not
see it coming.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So the girls are hanging out towards the end of the.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Episode and Shannon is talking about, you know, what she
is going through in therapy her her parents. Tama listen now,
Shannon is evoting, and I'm like, okay, it's nice to
hear personal story. Talma's like, oh, you know your father
(27:56):
had a drinking problem too. Is that's something that you
know you talk on a therapy and Alexis Bellino. Shannon
lost her shit and felt that Tamera had no right
to bring this up on television right now, whether or
not that is something that she kept private. I get
that because the father is on camera to defit himself.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
So I get it. I get it, I get I
get it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The part that I don't get and I would love
to get your thoughts on it. And it then became
a question of Tamra's intentions in terms of why did
she bring it up and what we talked about earlier
that I wanted to relate to this scene is what
Tamra said at the time of the episode.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And I said this last week to you about I'm
getting assists that they want to ice.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Al Tamra again. I don't.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
I did not think for one second that Tamera brought
up her father's alcoholism to relate to the girls and
the audience that Shannon also had to take a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I thought that was a reach. I didn't get that
one bad.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I have to be honest because I have to act
like Tamar's not my friend right now, and I try
to be objective during this podcast so that the truth,
like I want to tell, I want to speak the
truth from what I.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Think the viewers think.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Okay, I I think in hindsight, and I have not
spoken to Tamar about this, so I'm totally speaking not
I don't know if this is how she felt, but
I think she probably regretted it. Alf I think in
the moment, she one hundred percent was trying to relate
to Shannon, be kind to Shannon, like help Shannon.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I think at the.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
After that she probably was like, Yeah, it probably wasn't
the worst thing to say.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Because I'm watching it, I'm going, ohugh, oh, you're trying to.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
Get back in there, and then you just happened to
just go there. The little you know, could totally be
taken but taken bad. But the problem is Shannon is
very sensitive to that subject. You know, she's defensive about
the subject of alcohol in general because of everyone thinks
she has a drinking problem.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
So I think that that it really went low for Shannon.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
But I also think Shannon is just not going to ever,
you know, I think Tama's trying to do it for
the show and like, Okay, look, we got to move on.
We're creating a show here, and Shannon's just holds grudges
and stays bitter and is not going to move forward.
I mean, she's not budging at all, like you know,
and and I do see honestly where Shannon could be
like that was kind of low Tamar. You know, like
(30:30):
if that was set in confidence, and that's the truth,
that it was set in confidence and not to be
you know, not to be shared on television, which I
didn't watch all the other seasons, so I don't know
if it got brought up in any other episode that
you know, her dad had a drinking problem. But anyway,
either any way around it, I kind of see where
it should not have been said. There's other ways to
(30:51):
try to relate with Shannon. But I don't think Tamra
did it intentionally to start. You could even tell by
Tamra's personality or like or like like Aura in that moment,
She's sitting there like really concerned and she's like, well
this if this is festering inside, like you really do
you know?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
She was coming from a place of caring.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
It sounded like not like because what Tamma's on on camera,
Tamra on camera, Tamera, Oh.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That was good? Anyway, that was I didn't I didn't
know that. By the way, on.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Camera, camera camera, if you can see that, she's like,
can't wait to throw that napkin in Jin's face, you know,
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But this seemed like a heart felt, like in the
moment kind of Tamera.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know, first of all, I actual people hunch percent,
you know. I agree that. That's why I said earlier,
I don't understand why Shanna felt like that's not a
good place to break up something about my own father.
I have as for sin agree with that that's.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Not Tarra's place to break up anything relating to someone else.
My biggest thing was I do not think Tamra had
bad attentions right taking it up to Shannon. I thought
the same thing you did, Like, she's in the moment,
she's trying to get back in there, and I think
what the audience doesn't quite understand, and I think, oh,
(32:12):
I'm curious if you know more about this obviously than
we do, because you're friends with camera. Shanna and Tamra,
we're best friends for over a decade and had several conversations.
And one thing I do know producing these shows, Alexis,
is unless you tell somebody, do not bring us up
(32:35):
on camera when I'm about to tell you.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
There's so much.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Information you know about a person that when you're trying
to be really the moment, it is sometimes hard to
say to yourself, oh, but cameras aren't here, I should
not bring us up because I don't know if that's
something that's off limits, whereas there's other things I know
that are off limits.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And that's the reason why I didn't think Tamra was
trying to be a bad friend.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I thought that Tamar was like, oh, I know this
because we talked a lot, and that's why way she
saw Shanni's reaction, she did not double down on it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
She did not make excuses for it.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
She said, Okay, I didn't know, but I wasn't trying
to do that and felt the need to lead this
scene to crime. But do you think the audience and
maybe you know more too, that she had Tamar really
had a brow friendship at one.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Point they did. They did, and I do agree with
you on that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I didn't think about that perspective, but yeah, because like,
but here's the thing, like Tamara knows a lot about me,
I know a lot about her, and we don't talk
about those things on camera because we have said those
exact words to each other, like this is this is
just between and you, you know, kind of thing kind
of like music off the record when you're talking to
a reporter, you know, it's like yes, So so I
think that I And perhaps it was because it was
(33:50):
so in the moment that Tamra was like oops, you know,
I guess now I truely and I should ask her
about this because I haven't talked to her about that,
but I wonder if she did, like after, you know,
on the drive home, kind of think yeah, maybe I
should have said that, you know, because you have to
go back in your whole ten years of a friendship
and go, wait, what did we say not to say?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
And what did we say? Was okay to say? You
know so?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
And maybe Tamer was thinking Shannon's drinking issue is so
public now you know, the whole world knows it and
sees it, so maybe it's not a bad thing to
talk about her dad now too, because it is out there.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I don't know, Carlos. I wouldn't have said it. I'm
telling you that I wouldn't. If I was in Tamer's
shoes and had known that information, I would not have
gone there.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So let's just that, get that clear.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, now, listen, that's why if that not the thing,
that's why it's so hard with these shows because on
one hand, we want real friendships and we want broke conversations,
but when it happened, the other person breaks up the
fourth wall and says, I'll want that to be probably television,
which again I get it. Shannon's ninety six year old
(34:59):
five is not to defend himself. And look, I'm somebody
who has a dad, thankfully who's still alive, and I
don't want to expose his business to the world because
I decided to be a person on camera, not him.
So I totally get it. The response though, with so
(35:20):
Jen felt like, no, I believe Tamara did that have
with bad attention. I think she did it so that
the world and the girls can relate Shannon's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Looked to her dance and see that it's a pattern
in the history there.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Said let me go get to the bottom of thisss
and went in and legitimately I believed her when she
was like going and she wasn't trying to stir the pot,
she would like camera. I don't remember how she worded it,
so paraphrasing, but like Tamra, what did you mean that?
What was that meant as a dig? And then when
Tamra says no, then aren't in a good place?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I mean, it seems like they're always bickering on the show.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
But then she goes to Jen, goes to Shannon and
then said, look, I asked her, it wasn't a dick.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
She said, it wasn't a dick.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
So I appreciated Jenn in that moment for actually being
the one trying to get to the bottom of it
and being objective for a moment instead of being biased.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
You know, I agree, I agree, I agree, and look,
Shannon's like whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I believe. What I believe is she left.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Listen, I, like I said to you before, Shannon is
great television. I based on what I saw this episode two,
I am still going.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
To say this. I think Shannon needs a break.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Because I'm over the walking away, I'm over not dealing
with things hit on and really having a conversation. She
doesn't like Tamra. And look, what I will say is
is Shannathan fence. I understand because Tamra was not nice
to her last season and the things that Tamarra said
to Shannon was not nice.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And I understand that. But you're either going to move
on or not.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And if your stance is and I do not want
to be friends with you, just stand on business, stay
on that shit and don't play this sort of like
dangling situation to where we're fine.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
We're not fine. I'm ready, I'm not ready.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I think that's confusing for any friend to be like
where did we go from here? And I based on
this episode, I just don't think Shannon Tamara would ever
be friends again.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I think Tamara's trying.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think Tamra other still, she did a lot of
dash shit to her last season.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
But I also think Shannon is not.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Giving Tamara any sort of any sort of half to
have a reconciliation, to at least be friends, maybe not
best friends, but to at least be friends.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Well my take on that is to kind of top
with yourself, like go along with what you're saying, is
I think their friendship would never be more more than
a TV friendship at this point.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think too much water is at the bridge.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I think that it would be a working relationship, which
is what needs to happen on these TV shows. Not
everyone can be best friends, not everyone can have a
true friendship aside from the show.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You have to have the TV friendships and you have
to have the real friendships.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So I think that that is what Shannon should try
to do, is at least have enough kumbaya.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They're not going to call each other and go off
for coffee. I mean, let's be real, They're not.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
There's I mean, and you're talking about how bad Tamra
was to Shannon, but Shannon ghosted Tamra when Tamar got
kicked off the show, ghosted her after a ten year
of friendship, so you know, so I don't know, there's
a lot of there's a lot of things between both
of them that were wrong and that showed, you know,
and then Tamara never felt like Shannon Barah felt like
(38:48):
Tamar felt like Shannon never actually like reached out and
said how are you?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
How is your life? It was always Tamar trying to
fix Shannon.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
But along those lines when you said Shannon needs a pause,
Here's the thing. Shannon keeps saying in her interviews confessionals
that she's never been happier.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
But yet she's crying every single episode. She's never smiling anymore.
She's it was even last season. She's just she's not happy.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
So I do feel like she needs a reset button,
like a little maybe a pause would have her start
getting into her own life, get a hobby, get find
something else that makes you excited about life again, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
So yeah, I mean maybe a pause would be good
for her.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah. I think that's my think.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think when it comes to Shannon, I think she's
had a lot of bad things happen to her right
and she will always give my grace for that.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Self induced I have to do Okay, no, no, no,
let's let's talk about let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Obviously, I was.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Going back to the first introduction of what she was
going through with a divorce.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Dat years ago. Okay, yeah, like like.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
This the pattern here. Listen it. I may be the
minority in the situation, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I don't think Shannon has ever healed from David.
Speaker 9 (40:16):
I watched the show and looked when a man cheats
only you in that way and the embarrassedment that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Followed, and you have.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Daughters, right, I think that I and you're still filming
a TV show.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I don't think Shannon ever had the time to heal
from David and everything.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Like you said that We're going to be honest here
that has been self induced is because of my opinion
she had she has. She has not allowed herself to
heal from what her David went through because she never
all that matters with and I think like most women,
like most women who deal with infidelity, I do believe
(41:06):
she thought David would change.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, I mean I didn't.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I didn't watch that season, but I heard about obviously
the news and stuff that I I mean, my heart
goes out to anyone who gets cheated on, for sure,
and any any marriage that dissolves, because regardless of his
fault it is, or if it's fifty to fifty of faults,
it's not easy and it stinks. So maybe you are
one hundred percent right that that is what catapulted all
(41:32):
of the tornado that is around Shannon. You know, like,
maybe that is yeah, yeah, so that's that's pretty insightful.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Well, you're not trying to be a like, say, you know,
I've been doing this for a long time. I'm talking
to me a little bit of sightful.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So hopefully that that gives reasons So listed I'm asking
for the plause because I think she.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Needs a year off to heal herself.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
And I I just don't think she has done the
work because rightfully so, she hasn't had the time because
she's been filming ever since that whole situation happened. But nevertheless, nevertheless, listen,
oh see, is a Katie less season? My last question
for you, Alexi before ibably let you go to your busy, busy,
(42:19):
busy busy life.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
My darling, are you missing Katie from the show?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I am.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
I don't know if I'm in the minority or the majority,
but I you know, and I'm even a little bit
mad still about her lying about the whole audio and
memo thing. But see how I can get over things
because I'm forty eight years old and it's like, okay,
it's let's.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Move on everybody. But I am I. I don't see
a way that she can be around the women.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
It seems like they have iced her out and they
don't trust her enough to have her even in a
realm of work, realm way.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
But of the show.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
But I loved her confessionals. I think she's funny. I
love her. Her husband, so I you know, I want
more of him on the show because I think he's
the crack up, you know, and he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Produce her obviously, and he does it.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
You know, he is a mate that's like, I'm your
companion and I'm here to defend you, but I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Do your job for you or be your business partner.
So anyway, I just I miss her.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I hope that.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
I mean, I thought she's at least it's the reunion, right, Like,
I don't know, do you have any intel on that, Carlos,
give us the intel.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Look at you after we have a good question. You know,
I love that.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
You have friends in high places, honey, So you you
give us a little bit of goose. Like I said
last week, juseid gossip, give us a lib. I just
hope at the reunion and can speak a little bit
of her mind.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
You know she's not perfect.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
We know she has a slippery mouth when it and
and and you know, but I don't feel like she
has a heart like Gretchen has. I feel like Gretchen
came in and is telling why and just in destruction mode.
I feel like Katie simply has loose lips and doesn't
mean things to slip out when they do, and then
she back peddles. Well, I think they're totally two different intentions.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I agree, And look, I think I think I miss her.
I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Number one, I do one thousand, one hundred percent believe
she'll be ole to you again.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
One percent.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Okay, so we get we get to see that for sure.
I drew you, Alexus. I miss her because at the
end of the day she added something that was interesting
to watch, brother than I thought she was a liar,
and listen, I do think she has lied. However, she's
not the first the only Housewatch we have lied about
some feet so so I have never ever ever asked
(44:48):
for the firing of Katie Janella.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I will say this, love her, hate her. She brought
something interesting to the show.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
She it was, and that's why I said to me
to the audience, she this enigma. My opinion about her
remains the same. But I never was said give off
my show. It was more so like if you can't
handle they, he'd get off the kitchen. But I would
rather see her fight through getting her voice heard than
(45:17):
what i've seen now.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
And I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
I hope she comes on that reunion if what you
say is true, I hope she comes on that reunion
and is strong, bold, has a voice and says her
peace to where the Bramos like, yeah, we kind of
eat her back, you know, And hopefully the other women can,
you know, have a little bit of a shift in heart,
maybe just a little just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I don't think Heather de Row will ever im was
shifting heart with her. But we'll see. I mean, Heather
is pretty, Heather is pretty forgiving, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope so. Well, look,
let's Melina. I can't think you enough for stepping into
reality for the King.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
From the OC recap get almot her Dan, Girl and
I will see you next Friday.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Bye everybody, frie.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Bye boo.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
With the Lack Effect Network.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
You can also find us on my YouTube channel at
the Carlos King Underscore
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