November 21, 2025 • 53 mins
Reigndrops, we made it! For our final RHOC recap of the season, we start with a little BravoCon tea and then head straight into Part 3 of the reunion, where they feel strongly about the takedown of Tamra. Carlos reveals his bold Season 20 cast predictions — and Alexis is… Shocked Alexis, thank you for joining us all season long, bring on Season 20!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well. All rain drops on today's episode Reality
with the King listen. I have to check my blood
pressure because after watching part three of the Real Housewaher
Orts Councer Reunion, I don't know how this recap is
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going to go. I have some very strong opinions that
may be extremely unpopular, but hey, that's why you tune
into me An Alexis. Alexis Jansen is here, and before
we get started with OC, first of all, you look
smoking hot. Make sure y'all are subscribing to YouTube so
I can see our recaps as well.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's listen to it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
But a lesson is well woman who was dominating Bravocon
and interviewing everybody, including your former boss the EP of OC,
alex Baskin, talk to me about you.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How are you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm still tired. I haven't unpacked. I don't know. Let
me see if I can get you. Look. Look i've been.
I literally can't believe it. Every time I walk up here,
I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get it done. I've got
to get the stuff to dry cleaning. I got, you know,
I can't get It's one thing after the next, which,
by the way, the doorbell might ring and my twins
are gone. It's their eighteenth birthday today, and the rental
company was supposed to be here at nine point thirty
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and we were recapping at nine forty five and they
haven't shown up yet. So I'm just gonna have to
run down show more to put stuff and go because
it's gonna pour tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And I we love you in action girl. All good?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Anyway, So back to Alex Baskin and guys, I don't
look that hot. He just says that to you'll too
into his YouTube, don't listen to him. But anyway, okay,
I have to tell you about Alex. I was so nervous,
and I was not really nervous, have doctor Heavenly. I
was nervous about because we're sweet or such from different worlds.
I was nervous about her, But I was so nervous
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about Alex because I did not prepare. I woke up late,
I got to bed super late. I did not sit
there and go, Okay, what do I want to ask him?
What do I want to do? I literally sat there
and then was like, okay, like you've got this, sweat's
coming out. You know, I'm sweating. I'm like, okay, you
got this. You can do this, you can do this,
pull it together. And so I just I just started
thinking what would people want to know and what am
I curious about? And then it was amazing And he's
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you know what I love about him, Carlos, He actually
is pretty deprecating or like he'll like he'll be honest,
he'll be super honest about where he's at, or you know,
it's not like he's love at His answers were a
little political or you know, uh.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well he has to be because you know he's an executive.
But Alex is a sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I love him, a great guy. But go ahead, so
did you get any I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Bicky was announced as being asked to return to season twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Did you get any.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Tea about what season twenty looks like from Alex Baskin?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I did ask about Katie for that. I went over speaking,
first of all, I'm super excited that Biggie's back. I
know that you and I are on the same page
about that. Yeah, this is gonna be a fun season
because she's so funny.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
We need some fun. He's a big.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Dork, but she's also like a really cool dork, you
know what I mean. So anyway, I got and then
I kind of dove in about Katie and I just said, so,
there's a ton of you know, word out there on
the street that she won't be asked back, but then
there's people that say, oh, she definitely will because of
how much love she's gotten. I said, so, what is where?
Where does it stand Alex? And he just said this
was one of his diplomatic answers, and he just said,
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I can't you know, we don't have the information yet.
The final Reunion hasn't aired yet. We don't have We
really are still at the drawing board and casting just finished,
you know. So I mean I believe them on that.
I believe that they really don't know. They probably do
now because now the final you know reunion just aired,
but which I cannot wait to get into.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, look, we're happy Vickya's back.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Were you surprised by how many people showed you love Alexis?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, no, here's why because even last year when I
hid in my house for about three months and went
off turned comments off on Instagram for three months, it
was getting duck threats and all that, Even during that time,
when you're out in public, people still say they love you.
And I feel like the people behind the computer that
show you so much hate really don't hate you. They're
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just really bored with their lives or just have a
lot of evil in their heart. I don't know what
it is, Carlos, because I've never been in public one time.
No matter how much my you know, my the love
of America for me tanked, It's like no one ever
has been rude to John or me. And in fact,
even when we were on the outs last year, when
you know, we were in the lawsuit and doing the
things that everyone's saying stop doing this, and we were
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just living at We're like, no, this is what we're
going to live our life and do what's supposed to
be done, and people would still say you're our favorite
staying there, hanging tall, you know, you know, so I
don't know, but it was. It was really awesome. You know.
One of the most fun things was Galina's birthday. Oh
in the YouTube, I know, it's it's it's just you
gotta just take it in stride. The hate that that
people get when they're in the social you know, in
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the public eye. I mean, yeah, but okay, one of
the most fun things with the Gallina birthday party because Carlos,
it was like the melting pot of Bravo. We had
me for Moscy, we had Galina from McBee Dynasty, we
have for boys from McBee Dynasty were all three there.
They are so cool by the way, and just just cool.
And then we had Jesse and Luke from the Valley,
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and then we had doctor Heavenly, and then we had
a nurse mel and then we had who else was
Margaret from Jersey and oh, Julia from Flipping Miami. So
it was like I looked around the table and I'm like,
this is really like one about one from every single
franchise and city that you can imagine.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love that Jesse is like my guy.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I love me some Jesse Lally from the Valley, He's
I I'm obsessed with him. Heavenly is my friend in
real life and in Alexis she's my dentist out yes,
small world.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, after having a good job on his his his
teeth because he looks good.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So I need to confirm this with you. I've been
reading some things on social media. Is it true that
Julia from the Real Housewives of Miami got booed at
Bravo Con.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, and that was I was at the dinner right
after that had happened. It had literally happened, like not
even I mean she sat and talked to me about
it for the first hour that you know, we were
waiting for everyone to show up. It had just happened
a couple hours before that, or maybe even the hour
before that before she came to this birthday. And you know,
that has to be super hard. And that would have
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been me last year, by the way, bravokonn would have
been last year, and I would have been there John
and I would have been booed and booed and booed.
But I had such a good attitude about it and
just kind of like was letting it roll off, even
though I'm sure deep down, I mean, it can't feel good,
you know, I mean, who are you fool if you
think it feels good? But she had such a good
attitude about it and was just like, you know, I
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know I've messed up too, and you know, but she's
very She's a character. I'll just say, she's very energetic, great.
I really do enjoy being around her. I know people
are gonna, you know, hate me for saying that, because
I know she's not liked right now, but I really
think she's She's She's sweet is all I can say.
And I can only go by my experience. I don't
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have any other experience than what I had that dinner
with her, and she was very sweet and fun.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So yeah, yeah, how is Margaret Joseph's doing?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I mean, Terretha, Melissa, Joe Gorga and Louie have reunited.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They're back together.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Mark made a comment that she doesn't think is going
to last, and she's you.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Know, I was going to tell you that because I
asked her. That was one of my first questions I
asked her after we had gotten to know each other
a little bit. And I did interview her by the
way to one of the twenty people or whatever I
interviewed over Bravo Khanna, and she's such a doll. She
doesn't believe it'll last, but she's hopeful that it will,
and just like all of us, and I mean, I
think pretty much everybody in America can stand by the
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fact that family comes first. And no one wants to
see this family divide it over a TV show. I mean,
you just don't.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That's just it's.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Very disheartening, especially since they lost their parents and they've
only got each other. It's just it's it just makes
me sick because I'm in that boat. I mean, only
have my brother. I don't my parents are gone, So
it makes me sick to think that that it won't survive.
But you know, Margaret very is fascinating by the way,
she's just got She's a fascinating human being. But her
husband is just as fascinating, and they are so cute together.
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Like I remember always said, like the schlepping word. He
was schlepping all her stuff the whole night. And he's
helping Galada down the escalator. He's like got his eyes on.
All the women that didn't have their bows will gleat
a single but like all of us that didn't have
our bows with us. He's like, I'm the husband that's here.
I'm going to take care of all these girls because
they all need my help or they would be a
chaotic mess.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
No, I love that on the show too.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And you know, Jersey is still up in the air
about what's going to happen to it. Did Margaret give
you any indication about whether or not she wants to
go back? Has she been test filming with anybody during
the castle process?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
She said, it's still all just you know that no
one knows anything yet, so they're still in those stages.
I don't know. I mean, we're all hopeful, right, I mean,
don't you think most of America wants them to Jersey
to come back at some capacity?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh well, listen, we all love Jersey.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Jersey is a staple when it comes to iconic franchises,
and I've always said this, Margaret is great television when
it comes to Melissa. I am happy that they have
found a resolution. I'm more happy that a brother and sister,
Teresa and Joe are able to reunite because family is everything,
and I agree with everything you said. Alexis by you
and your brother and what it's like to have each
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other when you do lose your parents. It is tough.
So I'm happy. And look, we have been punished enough
without no Jersey on the air Alexis for almost two years,
and I want the show to come back all.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Right now, hopefully Alex and Andy. Alex Baskin and Andy
Cohen are listening to you right now.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Alex has nothing to do with Jersey, but he out
of everything.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
He's in Andy's eer.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's true and so is this podcast. So listen.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But one thing, Alex Basket, you like that Alexis talk
about a transition. But one thing I will say, thought Alex,
I don't want OC to have the faith of Jersey
because after this reunion I'm at a loss for words.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I had a stomach ache after watching it. I had
a stomach I had it literally, like like just felt.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
With it was this was a tough one to watch.
And one thing about OC that I enjoy. Let's let's
be clear, this season was very controversial. You and I
had a break time recapping the whole Katie drama, Like listen.
I don't mind it when it's controversial in the sense
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of like, okay, he said, she say whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't like a gangap. I have never liked a gangup, and.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
When it came to this reunion, besides the gang up
then needs to be called the Real Housewives of Orange contradiction.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Because coud one Carlows, I'm just saying, I feel like
the beauty of you, alexis unpopular or popular.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You've always said this is all I feel, and you have.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Never waivered from your truth. You're like, look, I feel
this way. You have on this podcast along with me,
have said Carlos. I love Tamara, She's my friend, Tamara.
I'll call you later. But hey, I did think Tamar
brought up Shannon's father for television. That's how I feel.
You've always been honest, right, despite your friendships. This episode
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of part three reunion was tough to watch because I
felt like everybody intention was to conspire against Tamra, and
it was. It was very tough to watch, but let's
just get into it, Alexis.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The reunion opened up with.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes, they're having fun and they're laughing about the trip,
which I enjoy.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Like, let's start our fun.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
But look, we have to get into the craziest part,
which is Gretchen's post, and they're talking about it. Gretchen
said that if she liked something she didn't know what
it was about, and how everyone has been.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Guilty of liking something they didn't know.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Gretchen, I will say, sure, maybe once in a lifetime,
once in a century, multiple likes on different posts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm not buying what you're selling.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And then to say, well, maybe I wasn't paying attention
all the time to what I was liking.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I called bullshit on this. I call bullshit.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Carlos, Carlos Carlos. First of all, I am going to
make it very clear that even as a busy mom,
when my kids were in diapers and breastfeeding and doing everything,
and I'm taking care of my dying dad and I'm
making dinner and trying to care of my husband, I
never would have gotten on Instagram as the busiest time
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of my life and liked something that I didn't know
what it was. It is such a cop out and
such bullshit. Okay, Colin bullshit right there. Second of all,
I went on when she said I followed forty five
hundred accounts. I went online. Guess how many I follow, Carlos?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
How many?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Three hundred and fifty. I'm like, okay, we all know
that I am not a social media guru for sure
because I only follow three hundred and fifty.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
But any any way that you look at it, I
don't think any intelligent human is going to like something
they don't understand about.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like, if you don't understand it, what do you have
to like it for? What are you liking? It's like
you have to know what you're reading to like it.
Because if they say the sky was purple today and
you go, yeah, I love it, Okay, why well I
don't understand it. It makes zero sense to me. Yeah,
scrolling scrolling a bedtime, and I just I must have
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just liked you know, I'm just sitting there. I just
I just liked something. I didn't even know what it was.
Just you know, okay, dim twit put your phone down
that if you're not tired.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Okay, is.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
It's it's time for night, Carlos. If you're that tired,
no listen.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I could not I could not agree with you more
because my thing is this The Gretchen had enough time
since the finale watching the episodes clearing things up and
cleaning things up online, cleaning up the lights and.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
A liking now.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
To come back with this sort of Pollyanna ass excuse,
I'm not buying it to go and then say there's
no excuse for it, and I did not recognize the post.
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show. It was hard to
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watch this episode because Tamra' baby what thing? Alexis always said,
She's like Carlos, you'd be calling shit out early on.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Then we all get it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I have said numerous times, Tamra, these aren't your friends,
and they want you off the show.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
They want you off the show.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I have never seen a group of women kiss ass
so much and try to back up someone's abuse of
what they have done.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Because when it was Katie Janella.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Who got caught, let me tell you something, Let's have
a real conversation. These sort of grandiose things that Gretcha
has done. She has lied about going to the hospital,
and her excuse was I missed you not only miss folk,
you also miss post.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
You also miss which one is it? You misspeak? You
missed posts and you missed thumbs. Your thumbs like things
you're not supposed to like, you say things you forgot
to say. All I didn't mean it that way. You
like about going to the hospital, you said, no.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I miss to say I I thought.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I should have gone to the hospital. Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You you sit up there and talked about the whole
naked waisted thing, which, by the way, you brought up
again with tears with no physical evidence of drops.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Uh, Carlos, hold on, I so wanted to go here.
Notice Tamera had tears that really did fall, and you
could see the tears falling, and she was crying quietly,
and then they zoomed it on her and she's just
got tears falling and she's just like broken. Okay, Gretchen's
like not one tear, and she's diving her her she's
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gabbing your tissue like this, like and the tissue is
completely dry. And then she's like she gets into this
rage after that lead and then all of a sudden
she goes. But then and it was like her personality
went from acting completely like crying like you just lost
your child, to all of a sudden she just turned
and goes and she was in business mode, and I'm like, okay,
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well that was acting about of Sesame Street if you
ask me, But are you kidding me? I can't even believe, like,
not one tier again, how many scenes are we gonna
watch her fake cry and without a tear?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Ugh?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
So frustrating. And you are right, they are all about
get Tamra out and we'll kiss. Ask to whoever. They
could have brought up a rock from my garden and
sat it on the couch and they'd rather have that
on the show than freakin' Tamor they want Tamra out
and any other bimbo in.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
That's what they want, yes, And the thing about it,
this is obvious, and I wish again it doesn't make
any sense. You girls were mad at Katie for her
lying about meeting up with Kiki Monique.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Let's talk about the grand nature.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Katie got removed from the show because y'all refused to
film with her because she met with a blogger. Right,
you guys did not want to be around Katie because
she and her daughter allegedly had conversations with the nanny
about what Emily is saying.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
About heaving around her children. All of that to you
guys felt like the worst thing in the world. But
Gretchen Rossi liking.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Homophobic tweets allegedly her allegedly liking things that obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Are proof of it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You guys are blind when it comes to physical evidence
of Gretchen, but when it comes to Katie at least
admitting after three attempts, albeit three attempts.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But after she had missed. Like, okay, guys, I did
lie about it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Y'all consider her the worst human in the world, and
y'all had no fucking sympathy for her. But it wasn't
even twenty four motherfucking hours that all of a sudden,
y'all had sympathy for Gretchen in the car ride and said, well, you.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Know, I did go back and look at what she
said and I can't find anything yet.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Oh my god. I thought it was so mean to her.
It was. This was hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Everybody on that stage gas lit camera, and everybody on
that stage was conspiring to help Gretchen win against Tamra.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
In my opinion, I agree, I agree, and that's why
I think it felt so sick, because I don't care
if it was just like you know how you and
I at the beginning of this season, you and I
were speaking about how we didn't like we were sniffing
out Katie and we didn't like some of those things,
and then we turned our tune because we were like, wait,
now it's not cool anymore. Now it's not just now
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it's a mean girl. Now, it's not It's not about facts.
It's not about let's you know, people can make mistakes
and let's change. It's not about conflict resolution. It's about
now we're icing Katie out and we're going to take
away from her paycheck and just be total mean girls
to this one person. That's what they're doing to Tamor
right now, and it just makes me sick to my stomach.
I don't care which cast made it was sitting up
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there on the couch. I would feel that strongly about it,
regardless if they're my friend or not. Like like I said,
I felt bad when the girls were all, you know,
and when they were mean to Gretchen when they told
her she couldn't ride in the van. I got a
gross feeling in my tummy then too. So I'm being
very objective when I say I don't like the mean girl.
We're fifty, well forty to sixty year old women acting
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like we're twelve and that when they do those kind
of things, and it's just like, you know, Vicky said,
somewhere she texts, she instagrammed, or maybe she texted me,
or maybe it was something she said at Provaco, I
don't remember where. But when she got her orange back,
she was like, let's bring the fun back, girls, Amen's sister,
Let's bring the fun back, because I mean this reunion,
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the third one, well the whole reunion really, but the
third one is so dark, and it was just and
I don't like the unfairness of anything, and this was
a very unfair. It did feel set up. I didn't
like how at the very end the girls all go
over Tamer's sitting there crying on the couch to Andy Cohen,
and the girls all go over and leave her and
Katie out for a shot. Okay, that's real witchy move,
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you know, Like.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I don't like it. No, I don't like it either.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And for the record, because I'll hope you guys actually
watched the reunion and can watch the nuances where Tamra said,
but you followed these accounts. Gretchen never denied it, and
I just want to make sure that you guys hear that.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's a very good point. How are we gonna dive
into this analysis at.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
All or not. That's why I love you so much
and why we got to keep doing this, because you
are right on the money.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm coming up next with this. Let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So rain drops, Gretchen said she paid thousands of dollars. Okay,
because again, Gretchen said, she gets paid for posting, right,
there was a joke there about posting these other things
that I'm like, let me just stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So she said she paid thousand of dollars for a
cyber analysis to do this sort of you know, investigation
in terms of where all of these posters coming up,
what happened to them?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And she had the results.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She gave them to Andy, and she said that at
the end of the day they all came back to
Tamera orchestrating all of this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Let me tell y'all something.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I believe the cyber analysis results, just.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Like I believe the Life Detective results you guys had.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Like that's my thought. I was gonna say something like that. Okay, okay,
Well hold on, Carlos, hold on, because you know dateline
and BC here has got some facts for you. Okay,
what should I do?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Go?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Girl?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
First of all, did you see what came out about
the guy that wrote that cyber analysis? He is Slade's friend,
they were he was on Slad's podcast five years ago, okay,
five years ago and not very credible, and everyone everyone
that's hearing this the same time Rasin should sue him.
But here's what Alexis did to go even further, because
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that's just I can't stop Carlos. Okay, I don't. I'm
not bored. I'm super busy, but it bothers me when
things are mis quoted or done and properly, just like
the light detector test. Okay, And that's exactly what I
was gonna say. Is I researched the cyber thing and
I couldn't print it because my darn printer croaked this
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morning or last night. But I have it on my
phone because I researched.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okay, So.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
What a PI cannot do? Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
And put your Okay, a P I couldnot hack Instagram illegal, Okay,
force Instagram to hand over your DMS. Instagram only complies
with law enforcement and with a valid court order, there's
no way that they got back. And Gretchen spent thousands
of dollars in that short of time. And this PI guy,
the cyber analysis guy, had enough time to get the
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law enforcement involved and then access dms through special software
or PI tools these don't exist, and see your messages
through public records database or background checks. So basically, this guy,
how did he get his facts if he didn't have
subpoena Instagram to get all of this, have a cop
involved to get it all this was as it was
(25:39):
literally as valid as those light detector tests. You are
a million percent right. So I want to see that pamphlet.
Why doesn't Andy Cohen send me a copy of that
and let me do some research because I'm gonna then
call that PI or that cyber analysis dude and put
him in his place, even though I didn't go to
school for that, because anyone that believes that cyber analysis
(26:00):
has a freaking IQ of a vegetable, like you can't
believe it, go on and do the research. It's all online.
You can find it. You can you can research it
yourself and find it. And by the way, if he's so,
oh and then okay, well we'll get on to the
caller next. I'm going to have a heart attack because
(26:23):
I just I'm gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So the phone call, like we said last week when
we recapped this, the phone caller would have had to
sign off on, you know, getting his voice heard to
be on national television. You have to sign a waiver
to release your any and for anything you give them. Okay,
your looks you're walking down the park, if they show
(26:52):
your face or your voice.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
So this mfort is a real person, he's not an AI.
But why is he disguising his voice? And he's not
the only person that would know these facts. All of
these women have significant others. They tell and I know
they're like, well but grutch to do No. Everyone talks.
Everyone talks, and there's what twenty five producers working around there. Sorry,
(27:17):
I hate to sit, Bravo, don't get mad at me.
But people know and people talk, and it's not just
one person. And by the way, if Tamra was the
one leaking all this stuff to the all the bloggers,
why didn't any information come out? Why wasn't there a
story told? If Tamer's doing this? Because bloggers can't wait
to tell what you tell them. Just like the whole
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everything that came out with Katie, it all came out.
Why wouldn't something have come out if Tamra really was
giving information to bloggers, there would have been some kind
of a leak of a story, not just lo and
behold all. Now, this phony caller comes with a disguised
voice and puts it you know, sends a DM, then
deletes that account, then sends a DM again. It's it's
all so shady. I want everyone to really put their
(27:58):
thinking caps on.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, apparently it seems like you and I are the
only one to who are doing it because the women
on the stage, we're trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Look, I'm gonna say this, and I do not want
to put you in an uncomfortable situation. So this is
coming from me and not Alexis. Once again, these thoughts
are of Carlos King and.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Not Alexi Janssen. So I'm gonna say that disclaimer.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I'm scared now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Heather de bro I I'll say this. I was super
shocked the way she let Bretchmen off the hook, due
to obviously the affiliation that she has with the lgbt
quite lgbt Q I a plus community. Obviously, she's been
open about her children and their sexuality and openness about that,
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and I think Heait is a great mother. I saw
Heather have more smoke for Katie. I saw Heather have
more smoke for Tamera than she did Gretchen. I will
admit that I was disappointed in seeing how I felt
like she was helping Gretchen come to the conclusion about
(29:17):
what her mistakes were when she said, well, that's why
I was saying to you, like at dinner, like say
something to me, say something to me. I that was
hard for me to look at, even when you know
Gretchen was squealing but no tears come down her face
(29:37):
because it wasn't crying. It just it didn't survive with
me when I saw that, and I just felt like
if there was one time for someone to say, Okay, Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Look, I get that you and Tama have this thing.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
But at the end of the day, when it comes
to this cyber analysis, and when it comes to you
not even admitting that you have followed.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
These accounts that are anti gay, some of them allegedly, I.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Don't respect your response because it doesn't make sense to me.
The way Tamra overly explained her position up. I did
not do it in the way she got emotional and
cried and you saw tears. Those were things you expected
Gretchen to do if somebody's being accused of being anti gay,
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an anti LGBTQ plus community. And the fact that she
only cried when she had to bring up naked ways
for the game, because that was one thing that she
wanted to remind people that Tamar did to her, that
she wanted all the girls to be like once again
that And I'll end by saying this, and again, these
are the thoughts of Carlos King, not Alexis Jansen gets
(30:54):
Shannon off my show and Beck and Gobs and Voice,
because I can't take Shannon only siding with these girls
to get Tamra off. You don't have an original thought
of your own. You are only there and to to
to piggyback off of these women wanting.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Tamra off. And I'll end by saying.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
This, I'm okay with Emily coming for Tamra because that's
what that's what Emily does.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I'm here for it, to be honest with you,
so that in bothered me because that's that Emily doing
her job right. I'm surprised about Gina. I was. I
was because I love Gina. I was shocked at Gina.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Tried to say, well, I felt like Tamra said this
to me because she wanted me to bring it up.
You guys on the TV show, you all say stuff
to be brought up on the show. Tamra's not the
only one on that cast to have done that, so
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I was disappointed. Gina. I still love you, but I
was disappointed, and that is my rant. Sorry, Alexis.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Wow, Well you got to go through pretty much everybody.
You went down the whole line there, so that's that's good.
You got it out right. I think the part that
shocked me the most about the Heather, because I'm going
to go through some of the girls with you. The
part that shocked me the most about Heather is when
Tamra said, I know I did tell Heather about it,
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and Heather said, I want nothing to do with this.
That's what shocked me the most because it's like, you
have LGBTQ children, how do you not want to be
involved in that or like or like or have anything
to do with it. It's like that's what I just
was like, wow, because that was new information. You didn't
see that on the you know episode until the reunion.
(32:35):
So I'm sad. I'm sad because Heather and Tamra, you know,
have been friends for a long time, and at Bravo
Con it seems like they squashed I'll give you guys
some behind the scenes beef, but it seems like they
squashed it for the most part because they were hugging,
like when in the iHeart Suite when I'm interviewing everyone
and Heather and and Terry came in, you know, doctor
de Broke came in several times, and We're in and
(32:56):
out to do interviews and such. But they it seems
like they've worked past it. But I just I don't
like how, Yeah, nobody on that stage had Tamra's back
for anything, and they just it was a gang up.
It wasn't ice out. It was like, look, Andy, look
how close we all are and we don't like her anymore,
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you know, And like Carlos, do you still think it's
because she's Tamras just so raw? Or you are they jelus,
Like what do you think now after seeing the final Reunion.
What do you think is the reason they're so anti
Tamra because nothing Tamra's done is anything less than what
these other women have done. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I always base things on the facts, and that's the
reason why I have no emotional attachment when it comes
to these shows, because I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
These women aren't women I hang out with on a
regular basis.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So I always come from the position of a producer
who knows how the sausage is made, but also as
if you were right, and who watches these shows and
can always revert back to pre is episodes to state
my position.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
When Tamarack got fired from the Real Housewives of.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Orange County, those women did plenty of interviews short of
celebrating her dismissal.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Okay, wait, so I'm I'm privy, not pretty to this.
I'm not privy to this, So give a little because
some of the listeners they okay, what would they do?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Tama got fired, right, and Heather de bro stepped into
the place. Okay, so Tamara got removed. Heather stepped in
everything from promotion to the way the season opened up.
The premiere episode was all about Heather's come back to
(34:50):
the show and the other women, because I watched every
single frame Jimily, Jimmily.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, god good.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
And that was a slip up. Just like my couple,
I've had right mixed words. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
After him, so Jimmie, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
They all bowed down to the Queen because the way
it was set up, Alexis would listen, Alexis had that
big house, not Alexis Lord Jesus Heather.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Heather had that.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Massive home in Orange County at the time, and we
saw her closet for the first time as a view
or whatever, and they all pretty much bowed down to
her and.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
The other girls.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
We do interview saying the season is so different. Tamra's gone.
It feels lighter, It's about real friendships, like dissing Tamra.
Long story short, everybody, including Carlos King said this is
the most boring season. We hate this season without Tamra.
Talmer came back to the show. They all said, well,
(36:02):
I mean she is good TV because everybody wants to
save their job now they know that Tama's good TV,
but the problem is Tamra.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
They feel like can't be trusted. And that's what they
said this season.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Her friend Heather said, I can't not trust you. These
are things she said that I've been saying for years.
She finally said it. Emily has said it, Gina has
said it, said it, Shannon said it when Gretchen got
back on the show. The reason why all of these
girls are on Gretchen's side is because they would rather
deal with Gretchen than Tamar. They're not jealous of Tamar
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at all. They are afraid of her. They are afraid
because Tama's gonna call shit out and Tamar is going
to be a great housewife, but they feel like it's
at their expense.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And that's the reason why when it came to Katie
they could not trust Katie.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
They're not jealous of her being like the longest running
housewife of all time, but they're jealous up no Jo,
They're they're scared of heart.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Now with that being said, Alexis with Vicky.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Coming back, now they're like, Okay, you cannot do season
twenty without Vicky, Tamera and Shannon.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
And now they're feeling like, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Because obviously there were unionists take before Vicky's announcement. This
past weekend, a Bravo con Yes, I can guarantee you
Emily and Gina are afraid for their jobs.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Now, okay, so this is fascinating, Carlos, and you are
usually right, and I cannot wait to see because you know,
now that this is there, they're going to start They're
going to announce who the cast. You know, they're going
to start getting the phone calls and the girls are
going to start getting contracts sent via email. So who
I guestimate in the next two to three weeks we
will start hearing what's happening, but we'll see. Okay, who
(37:54):
do you think is going to be? Then give us
your and let's see if you're right, And don't ask
me this question. Don't or first question on me because
I have I am so baffled by the reunion. I
can't even I still can't even see straight from it.
So I have no clue what I think. I think
Bravo's just they're just crazy. They're crazy, but they're good
at their job. That's what I keep saying.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
This is Prabo's King's prediction for a season twenty Real
Housewives of Orange.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
County cast exclusively on Reality with the King with Alexis
Janssen Okay, here we go, Vicky, Tamra Shannon. I'm gonna
stop there because rain drops. You want to see the
reunion of treasing me, Gus said.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You want to see it.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You want to see it, and and you want to
see the conflict resolution of those three women. That's why
now Heather, Emily, and Gina.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Now, with that being said, with that being said, with
that being said.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
There is a world where it may be Emily or Gina,
but Carlos King feels like it'll be those six women.
In addition two, in addition two, in addition to testing
two new housewives.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Where one or two, if they're good, will be a housewife.
I predict we'll get eight full time housewives if two
new women are great.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Now, with that being said, with that being said, with
that being said, you are going to see Alexis Johnson,
a lot of appearances from past OC housewives.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Joe, Gina, Kay, Laurie, Lizzie m An, Alexis Johnson.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Okay, well whatever we'll cross that it comes okay, But wait,
back up, you left out, so the six women you
think plus maybe you knew okay, you left out, so
you think Jen, Katie and Gretchen are all getting.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, Okay, I fucked up.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I fucked up because.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Jen had first seat. They never get rid of the
first seat girl the next season. So I think Jen's
I think she's a shoeing. She's got to be a shoe.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
They got rid of Tamera at the first seat. Okay,
but I'll say this good point. I think Jin.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Okay, so I fucked up. I would say I'm sorry
I mentioned include Jin. That's why, Okay, I fucked up. Yes, Jen,
that's the reason why I said. I could see a
world where they're going to choose between Emily and Gina.
I could see that to break up the alliance.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I could.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I could see a world, but that would happen. I
do believe you'll get one new housewife or two. But
I do believe that you will the women who.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Are coming back that you saw this season. I don't
think Katie's coming back, nor Gretchen. Wow, I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I mean, they really do have me, you know, and
I like to have my detective detective cap on, but
they have me confused and just thinking like anything's possible.
That's truly what I feel, for sure. But but I
you know, I hate to say this, but I am
just objective and I'm just speaking my opinion. But I'm
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so sick of Emily's stick. I'm so sick of her. Like,
if they're going to keep one, I hope they keep Gina.
I mean, at least Gina is a little bit more
funnier and just not as much of a loud mouth
dumb you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
But I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
So, Okay, if that was the case, I would like
to see that happen, if they break those two up,
which it would also make the show more interesting by
the way, Carlos, you know, because they got tweetled de
and tweetl dumb. That's been going on for like six
years now. It's like, let's break them up and have
just one tweetled d or tweetled dumb, one of the two.
But then I don't know. I can't believe you think
both Gretchen and Katie are gone, because I just don't
(41:56):
know if I feel that, I'll say this much, Okay,
who's going to be the friend of the who's the friend?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Well that's the thing. That's the thing. The thing about
Emily is this, and I'll go I'll go on record
saying this, Emily tried her best to push the envelope
and listen. As a producer and a viewer, I think
she was solid in her attempt.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
The problem is this, Emily is inconsistent, and you can't
be inconsistent when you are trying to fulfill the role
of the force multiplier. It's a tough gig to push
the envelope, but you gotta be consistent. Her inconsistencies in
how she treated Katie and then Gretchen and then Tamera,
(42:45):
it exposed that she's doing stuff for an alliance and
for TV. So I believe that, Look, the coin may
be tossed between Emily and Gina, and I was go
on record saying that if they have to choose between
Emily and Gina, I Carlos King strongly believe they will.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Choose Gina over Emily. For sure. Jen is standard OC
housewife material.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
She has a very interesting storyline, backstory, and Ryan's interesting.
So I see a world she comes back Katie and Gretchen.
The reason why don't see Katie or Gretchen coming back
full time I'll say full time for now because we
have to get rid of all of the rest due
from this season.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
We have to get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Breaking Gretchen back. You're bringing you're breaking back, Slade, you're
breaking back. Naked waisted, you're bringing back.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
We don't care to see that a facelift. We need
facelifting to stop living in the past. We need to
facelift and refresh right, refresh button.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yes, yes, Gretchen is Slade, and so I don't see
if Gretchen does come back, it's like on an appearance
release basis.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I don't see her getting a full time Orange.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
When it comes to Katie, Yes, Katie was polarizing as
a fan favorite on social media. Katie isn't strong enough
to go up against these these women, And I think
I think they want to so badly have us forget
everything that happened with this season that they have to.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Move forward and and and that's why for me, you
want to see I listen. I can watch twenty episodes
of seeing how.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Vickie, Tamarra and Shannon figure things out and and seeing
the up and down the relationship. Because one thing about
the conflict, it was always funny.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
It wasn't dark. The brother Bruce cancer thing was dark
because Brook made it dark.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That didn't involve Shannon and Tarra. So the fights that
Shannon and Tamar and why am I having a problem
here my red bull or my Alani's going to my head? Okay,
Vicky and Tamra and Shannon, their fights were not dark,
You're right. They were more of like, oh, you're just
annoying me kind of thing, and they weren't dark. So
(45:15):
I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yes, yes, And I think Vicky is going to come
back much more as the dim mother. And I think
Vicky is going to provide this levity to the show
that allows these other women to get past things quicker.
(45:38):
You cannot bring Vicky back without having Tamara and Shannon
next to her.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
You just can't do it. So Shannon another season, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I think they could. I think they could either have
Tamara or Shannon, because here's the problem. Shannon and Camera
have such a such a beef and even at the
end of the reunion, you could just tell they are
so annoyed with each other, and this whole season it
was like Tamara kept trying and Shannon was having no
goal with it. I don't know, I feel like they
might even be that bold Bravo might be that bold
(46:07):
to bring Vicky on and only either Tamra or Shannon.
I think there's a world and this is the other problem, Carlos.
Shannon doesn't have a storyline, and she brought my name
up Agin at the reunion. The only thing she has
to talk about is John and me and her dog. Like,
she doesn't have a storyline. So so I don't know
how I mean, aside from just the rekindling of getting
back with Tamara and having a friendship Agin, it's like
(46:29):
she's boring. So I don't know. I see a world
where they could they could bring just one of those
two back.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Now you got me thinking some more. Maybe Shannon is
the friend of.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
I mean, she has maybe enough of a storyline to
be that, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
But yeah, no, I love to be clear, I'm only
interested in Shannon because of Vickie and Tamara. That's it
without them. I agree with you if Vicky.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
If Vicky was not coming back on the show this season,
I believe Shannon would have been gone.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I don't see them getting rid of Shannon completely. I
do a group with you, though.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
To pay her that much money and she does nothing,
I think it's old real fast. So maybe a friend of,
maybe a friend of.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
And then that would make that would that would make
more sense because then Tamar, you know, would hopefully would stay,
which I'm even thinking after watching that reunion. I hate
to be honest, Carlos, but that's what we do. We
talk our opinion, and we have a right to our opinion.
I see a world where they might even be trying
to push Tamra out. I don't know why, but after
that reunion, I was just like, I think they might
(47:42):
even not the girls. I'm thinking maybe Bravos wanting to
push Tamra out, like maybe Tamor's going to be a
friend of. I mean, I don't know how you can
have the twentieth season without her, though, I just don't
because she's carried the show for so many years, like
her or hater, she's carried the show for so many years.
So I don't know it's gonna be. Yeah, and I say,
I'm very I'm on the edge of my seat waiting
(48:03):
to hear. I want to know.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I just I think you can't you just listen number one?
I just I I look at it from like a
promotional marketing standpoint. I just I cannot see Tamor not
being on the show this season with Vicki coming back,
I think all of that could have maybe been plausible
based on how she was railroaded meeting Tamra at this reunion.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Bicky getting that Orange, I was like, Oh, okay, good,
I think she's safe.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
I definitely want to see more of their goofy stuff
in banter together, because you know, I've been friends with
them since the first time, my first season that I
was on, and they are just a hoot to be
around and and i mean, yeah, their fights get pretty deep,
and yeah they cut each other, but you know, but
then they put the band aids on too. So it's
just I don't know, it's gonna be good. It's gonna
(49:05):
be a good season if they're both on, for sure.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it. I want to
lab listen. I have been watching OC since season one, and.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I've always said there was something special about OC because
the way you ladies knew how to navigate your friendships
in a way that yes conflicted at times. But I've
always said this, and I'm going record saying this, I
always felt like one thing OC had again, one thing
(49:39):
OC had that the other shows had a hard time
getting you guys did conflict resolution.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Very well, very well.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
You know, it's gonna be like it's gonna be like
Miami or Jersey if you don't. I mean, that's the
problem is, that's that's kind of where I think both
Shannon and Tamra messed up, as if they both wanted
to have a you know, definitely have a seat, like
they needed to kind of make up somehow through the season,
but they were just so Tamor did try I mean
from what I from what I viewed, I think it
looks like tamar did try it. It made an attempt
(50:08):
to try to, and I think Shannon was just stone
cold on that. But you know, Miami's cast is such
a mess right now. I think they are close to
ending up like Jersey. I think, you know what happened
with Jersey. It got too much of a mess. It's
like OC is the longest running. They've got to keep
the conflict resolution firm, like strong amongst each other.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
No, it's true, it's true, true, and they're going to
have to do that. So look, I am looking forward
to putting this season to bid. Thank you all for listen.
Whether you guys love it, or hate it, it was
definitely a season worth talking about and recapping. And I
want to give a special shout out to my friend
Alexis Janssen for saying yes to truly, truly having the
(50:59):
best time with me to do these recaps. I love
the fact that the world got a chance to see
what I see in you, which is you are a smart, fun,
special woman. You're beautiful inside and out. I can't thank
you enough for these recaps. I don't want this to end.
(51:20):
I'll be speaking to your team later, but I've had
the best time with you, and I'll go and breakfast
saying this. I could not have done these OC recaps
about you. It wouldn't have been as fun and a
joy for me. So thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yay, it's been so much fun. You can add quirky
to that. Everyone knows I'm quirky, so you could add
your long listener like, it's okay to say quirky and
kind of dizzy. Sometimes it's all good. I own it.
So but it's been a blast. I had so much
fun with you, and I didn't realize how fun it
would be to get up at five am sometimes and
have to do this.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
On a Friday, no less.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Some mornings we're starting so early and we're sitting there laughing,
starting at the crack of dawn, and I'm like, how
this is so fun? So anyways, I love you, rain
Drops and it's been a blast. So I hope to
see you guys soon or talk to you you know
yet a voice, find some other moments with you.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Guys the moment and thank you and shout out to Spencer.
Shout out to Spencer, who is like the man behind
the MEU. So we make you Spencer for making this.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Happen so right drop look, let Alexis and I know
your thoughts on the Part three o C reunion.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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pressure because after watching part three of the Real Housewaher
Orts Councer Reunion, I don't know how this recap is
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going to go. I have some very strong opinions that
may be extremely unpopular, but hey, that's why you tune
into me An Alexis. Alexis Jansen is here, and before
we get started with OC, first of all, you look
smoking hot. Make sure y'all are subscribing to YouTube so
I can see our recaps as well.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's listen to it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
But a lesson is well woman who was dominating Bravocon
and interviewing everybody, including your former boss the EP of OC,
alex Baskin, talk to me about you.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How are you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm still tired. I haven't unpacked. I don't know. Let
me see if I can get you. Look. Look i've been.
I literally can't believe it. Every time I walk up here,
I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get it done. I've got
to get the stuff to dry cleaning. I got, you know,
I can't get It's one thing after the next, which,
by the way, the doorbell might ring and my twins
are gone. It's their eighteenth birthday today, and the rental
company was supposed to be here at nine point thirty
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and we were recapping at nine forty five and they
haven't shown up yet. So I'm just gonna have to
run down show more to put stuff and go because
it's gonna pour tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And I we love you in action girl. All good?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Anyway, So back to Alex Baskin and guys, I don't
look that hot. He just says that to you'll too
into his YouTube, don't listen to him. But anyway, okay,
I have to tell you about Alex. I was so nervous,
and I was not really nervous, have doctor Heavenly. I
was nervous about because we're sweet or such from different worlds.
I was nervous about her, But I was so nervous
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about Alex because I did not prepare. I woke up late,
I got to bed super late. I did not sit
there and go, Okay, what do I want to ask him?
What do I want to do? I literally sat there
and then was like, okay, like you've got this, sweat's
coming out. You know, I'm sweating. I'm like, okay, you
got this. You can do this, you can do this,
pull it together. And so I just I just started
thinking what would people want to know and what am
I curious about? And then it was amazing And he's
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you know what I love about him, Carlos, He actually
is pretty deprecating or like he'll like he'll be honest,
he'll be super honest about where he's at, or you know,
it's not like he's love at His answers were a
little political or you know, uh.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well he has to be because you know he's an executive.
But Alex is a sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I love him, a great guy. But go ahead, so
did you get any I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Bicky was announced as being asked to return to season twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Did you get any.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Tea about what season twenty looks like from Alex Baskin?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I did ask about Katie for that. I went over speaking,
first of all, I'm super excited that Biggie's back. I
know that you and I are on the same page
about that. Yeah, this is gonna be a fun season
because she's so funny.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
We need some fun. He's a big.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Dork, but she's also like a really cool dork, you
know what I mean. So anyway, I got and then
I kind of dove in about Katie and I just said, so,
there's a ton of you know, word out there on
the street that she won't be asked back, but then
there's people that say, oh, she definitely will because of
how much love she's gotten. I said, so, what is where?
Where does it stand Alex? And he just said this
was one of his diplomatic answers, and he just said,
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I can't you know, we don't have the information yet.
The final Reunion hasn't aired yet. We don't have We
really are still at the drawing board and casting just finished,
you know. So I mean I believe them on that.
I believe that they really don't know. They probably do
now because now the final you know reunion just aired,
but which I cannot wait to get into.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, look, we're happy Vickya's back.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Were you surprised by how many people showed you love Alexis?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, no, here's why because even last year when I
hid in my house for about three months and went
off turned comments off on Instagram for three months, it
was getting duck threats and all that, Even during that time,
when you're out in public, people still say they love you.
And I feel like the people behind the computer that
show you so much hate really don't hate you. They're
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just really bored with their lives or just have a
lot of evil in their heart. I don't know what
it is, Carlos, because I've never been in public one time.
No matter how much my you know, my the love
of America for me tanked, It's like no one ever
has been rude to John or me. And in fact,
even when we were on the outs last year, when
you know, we were in the lawsuit and doing the
things that everyone's saying stop doing this, and we were
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just living at We're like, no, this is what we're
going to live our life and do what's supposed to
be done, and people would still say you're our favorite
staying there, hanging tall, you know, you know, so I
don't know, but it was. It was really awesome. You know.
One of the most fun things was Galina's birthday. Oh
in the YouTube, I know, it's it's it's just you
gotta just take it in stride. The hate that that
people get when they're in the social you know, in
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the public eye. I mean, yeah, but okay, one of
the most fun things with the Gallina birthday party because Carlos,
it was like the melting pot of Bravo. We had
me for Moscy, we had Galina from McBee Dynasty, we
have for boys from McBee Dynasty were all three there.
They are so cool by the way, and just just cool.
And then we had Jesse and Luke from the Valley,
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and then we had doctor Heavenly, and then we had
a nurse mel and then we had who else was
Margaret from Jersey and oh, Julia from Flipping Miami. So
it was like I looked around the table and I'm like,
this is really like one about one from every single
franchise and city that you can imagine.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love that Jesse is like my guy.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I love me some Jesse Lally from the Valley, He's
I I'm obsessed with him. Heavenly is my friend in
real life and in Alexis she's my dentist out yes,
small world.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, after having a good job on his his his
teeth because he looks good.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So I need to confirm this with you. I've been
reading some things on social media. Is it true that
Julia from the Real Housewives of Miami got booed at
Bravo Con.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, and that was I was at the dinner right
after that had happened. It had literally happened, like not
even I mean she sat and talked to me about
it for the first hour that you know, we were
waiting for everyone to show up. It had just happened
a couple hours before that, or maybe even the hour
before that before she came to this birthday. And you know,
that has to be super hard. And that would have
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been me last year, by the way, bravokonn would have
been last year, and I would have been there John
and I would have been booed and booed and booed.
But I had such a good attitude about it and
just kind of like was letting it roll off, even
though I'm sure deep down, I mean, it can't feel good,
you know, I mean, who are you fool if you
think it feels good? But she had such a good
attitude about it and was just like, you know, I
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know I've messed up too, and you know, but she's
very She's a character. I'll just say, she's very energetic, great.
I really do enjoy being around her. I know people
are gonna, you know, hate me for saying that, because
I know she's not liked right now, but I really
think she's She's She's sweet is all I can say.
And I can only go by my experience. I don't
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have any other experience than what I had that dinner
with her, and she was very sweet and fun.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So yeah, yeah, how is Margaret Joseph's doing?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I mean, Terretha, Melissa, Joe Gorga and Louie have reunited.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They're back together.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Mark made a comment that she doesn't think is going
to last, and she's you.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Know, I was going to tell you that because I
asked her. That was one of my first questions I
asked her after we had gotten to know each other
a little bit. And I did interview her by the
way to one of the twenty people or whatever I
interviewed over Bravo Khanna, and she's such a doll. She
doesn't believe it'll last, but she's hopeful that it will,
and just like all of us, and I mean, I
think pretty much everybody in America can stand by the
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fact that family comes first. And no one wants to
see this family divide it over a TV show. I mean,
you just don't.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That's just it's.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Very disheartening, especially since they lost their parents and they've
only got each other. It's just it's it just makes
me sick because I'm in that boat. I mean, only
have my brother. I don't my parents are gone, So
it makes me sick to think that that it won't survive.
But you know, Margaret very is fascinating by the way,
she's just got She's a fascinating human being. But her
husband is just as fascinating, and they are so cute together.
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Like I remember always said, like the schlepping word. He
was schlepping all her stuff the whole night. And he's
helping Galada down the escalator. He's like got his eyes on.
All the women that didn't have their bows will gleat
a single but like all of us that didn't have
our bows with us. He's like, I'm the husband that's here.
I'm going to take care of all these girls because
they all need my help or they would be a
chaotic mess.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
No, I love that on the show too.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And you know, Jersey is still up in the air
about what's going to happen to it. Did Margaret give
you any indication about whether or not she wants to
go back? Has she been test filming with anybody during
the castle process?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
She said, it's still all just you know that no
one knows anything yet, so they're still in those stages.
I don't know. I mean, we're all hopeful, right, I mean,
don't you think most of America wants them to Jersey
to come back at some capacity?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh well, listen, we all love Jersey.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Jersey is a staple when it comes to iconic franchises,
and I've always said this, Margaret is great television when
it comes to Melissa. I am happy that they have
found a resolution. I'm more happy that a brother and sister,
Teresa and Joe are able to reunite because family is everything,
and I agree with everything you said. Alexis by you
and your brother and what it's like to have each
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other when you do lose your parents. It is tough.
So I'm happy. And look, we have been punished enough
without no Jersey on the air Alexis for almost two years,
and I want the show to come back all.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Right now, hopefully Alex and Andy. Alex Baskin and Andy
Cohen are listening to you right now.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Alex has nothing to do with Jersey, but he out
of everything.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
He's in Andy's eer.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's true and so is this podcast. So listen.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But one thing, Alex Basket, you like that Alexis talk
about a transition. But one thing I will say, thought Alex,
I don't want OC to have the faith of Jersey
because after this reunion I'm at a loss for words.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I had a stomach ache after watching it. I had
a stomach I had it literally, like like just felt.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
With it was this was a tough one to watch.
And one thing about OC that I enjoy. Let's let's
be clear, this season was very controversial. You and I
had a break time recapping the whole Katie drama, Like listen.
I don't mind it when it's controversial in the sense
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of like, okay, he said, she say whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't like a gangap. I have never liked a gangup, and.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
When it came to this reunion, besides the gang up
then needs to be called the Real Housewives of Orange contradiction.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Because coud one Carlows, I'm just saying, I feel like
the beauty of you, alexis unpopular or popular.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You've always said this is all I feel, and you have.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Never waivered from your truth. You're like, look, I feel
this way. You have on this podcast along with me,
have said Carlos. I love Tamara, She's my friend, Tamara.
I'll call you later. But hey, I did think Tamar
brought up Shannon's father for television. That's how I feel.
You've always been honest, right, despite your friendships. This episode
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of part three reunion was tough to watch because I
felt like everybody intention was to conspire against Tamra, and
it was. It was very tough to watch, but let's
just get into it, Alexis.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The reunion opened up with.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes, they're having fun and they're laughing about the trip,
which I enjoy.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Like, let's start our fun.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
But look, we have to get into the craziest part,
which is Gretchen's post, and they're talking about it. Gretchen
said that if she liked something she didn't know what
it was about, and how everyone has been.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Guilty of liking something they didn't know.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Gretchen, I will say, sure, maybe once in a lifetime,
once in a century, multiple likes on different posts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm not buying what you're selling.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And then to say, well, maybe I wasn't paying attention
all the time to what I was liking.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I called bullshit on this. I call bullshit.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Carlos, Carlos Carlos. First of all, I am going to
make it very clear that even as a busy mom,
when my kids were in diapers and breastfeeding and doing everything,
and I'm taking care of my dying dad and I'm
making dinner and trying to care of my husband, I
never would have gotten on Instagram as the busiest time
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of my life and liked something that I didn't know
what it was. It is such a cop out and
such bullshit. Okay, Colin bullshit right there. Second of all,
I went on when she said I followed forty five
hundred accounts. I went online. Guess how many I follow, Carlos?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
How many?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Three hundred and fifty. I'm like, okay, we all know
that I am not a social media guru for sure
because I only follow three hundred and fifty.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
But any any way that you look at it, I
don't think any intelligent human is going to like something
they don't understand about.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like, if you don't understand it, what do you have
to like it for? What are you liking? It's like
you have to know what you're reading to like it.
Because if they say the sky was purple today and
you go, yeah, I love it, Okay, why well I
don't understand it. It makes zero sense to me. Yeah,
scrolling scrolling a bedtime, and I just I must have
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just liked you know, I'm just sitting there. I just
I just liked something. I didn't even know what it was.
Just you know, okay, dim twit put your phone down
that if you're not tired.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Okay, is.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
It's it's time for night, Carlos. If you're that tired,
no listen.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I could not I could not agree with you more
because my thing is this The Gretchen had enough time
since the finale watching the episodes clearing things up and
cleaning things up online, cleaning up the lights and.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
A liking now.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
To come back with this sort of Pollyanna ass excuse,
I'm not buying it to go and then say there's
no excuse for it, and I did not recognize the post.
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show. It was hard to
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watch this episode because Tamra' baby what thing? Alexis always said,
She's like Carlos, you'd be calling shit out early on.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Then we all get it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I have said numerous times, Tamra, these aren't your friends,
and they want you off the show.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
They want you off the show.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I have never seen a group of women kiss ass
so much and try to back up someone's abuse of
what they have done.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Because when it was Katie Janella.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Who got caught, let me tell you something, Let's have
a real conversation. These sort of grandiose things that Gretcha
has done. She has lied about going to the hospital,
and her excuse was I missed you not only miss folk,
you also miss post.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
You also miss which one is it? You misspeak? You
missed posts and you missed thumbs. Your thumbs like things
you're not supposed to like, you say things you forgot
to say. All I didn't mean it that way. You
like about going to the hospital, you said, no.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I miss to say I I thought.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I should have gone to the hospital. Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You you sit up there and talked about the whole
naked waisted thing, which, by the way, you brought up
again with tears with no physical evidence of drops.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Uh, Carlos, hold on, I so wanted to go here.
Notice Tamera had tears that really did fall, and you
could see the tears falling, and she was crying quietly,
and then they zoomed it on her and she's just
got tears falling and she's just like broken. Okay, Gretchen's
like not one tear, and she's diving her her she's
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gabbing your tissue like this, like and the tissue is
completely dry. And then she's like she gets into this
rage after that lead and then all of a sudden
she goes. But then and it was like her personality
went from acting completely like crying like you just lost
your child, to all of a sudden she just turned
and goes and she was in business mode, and I'm like, okay,
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well that was acting about of Sesame Street if you
ask me, But are you kidding me? I can't even believe, like,
not one tier again, how many scenes are we gonna
watch her fake cry and without a tear?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Ugh?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
So frustrating. And you are right, they are all about
get Tamra out and we'll kiss. Ask to whoever. They
could have brought up a rock from my garden and
sat it on the couch and they'd rather have that
on the show than freakin' Tamor they want Tamra out
and any other bimbo in.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
That's what they want, yes, And the thing about it,
this is obvious, and I wish again it doesn't make
any sense. You girls were mad at Katie for her
lying about meeting up with Kiki Monique.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Let's talk about the grand nature.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Katie got removed from the show because y'all refused to
film with her because she met with a blogger. Right,
you guys did not want to be around Katie because
she and her daughter allegedly had conversations with the nanny
about what Emily is saying.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
About heaving around her children. All of that to you
guys felt like the worst thing in the world. But
Gretchen Rossi liking.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Homophobic tweets allegedly her allegedly liking things that obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Are proof of it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You guys are blind when it comes to physical evidence
of Gretchen, but when it comes to Katie at least
admitting after three attempts, albeit three attempts.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But after she had missed. Like, okay, guys, I did
lie about it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Y'all consider her the worst human in the world, and
y'all had no fucking sympathy for her. But it wasn't
even twenty four motherfucking hours that all of a sudden,
y'all had sympathy for Gretchen in the car ride and said, well, you.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Know, I did go back and look at what she
said and I can't find anything yet.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Oh my god. I thought it was so mean to her.
It was. This was hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Everybody on that stage gas lit camera, and everybody on
that stage was conspiring to help Gretchen win against Tamra.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
In my opinion, I agree, I agree, and that's why
I think it felt so sick, because I don't care
if it was just like you know how you and
I at the beginning of this season, you and I
were speaking about how we didn't like we were sniffing
out Katie and we didn't like some of those things,
and then we turned our tune because we were like, wait,
now it's not cool anymore. Now it's not just now
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it's a mean girl. Now, it's not It's not about facts.
It's not about let's you know, people can make mistakes
and let's change. It's not about conflict resolution. It's about
now we're icing Katie out and we're going to take
away from her paycheck and just be total mean girls
to this one person. That's what they're doing to Tamor
right now, and it just makes me sick to my stomach.
I don't care which cast made it was sitting up
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there on the couch. I would feel that strongly about it,
regardless if they're my friend or not. Like like I said,
I felt bad when the girls were all, you know,
and when they were mean to Gretchen when they told
her she couldn't ride in the van. I got a
gross feeling in my tummy then too. So I'm being
very objective when I say I don't like the mean girl.
We're fifty, well forty to sixty year old women acting
(21:38):
like we're twelve and that when they do those kind
of things, and it's just like, you know, Vicky said,
somewhere she texts, she instagrammed, or maybe she texted me,
or maybe it was something she said at Provaco, I
don't remember where. But when she got her orange back,
she was like, let's bring the fun back, girls, Amen's sister,
Let's bring the fun back, because I mean this reunion,
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the third one, well the whole reunion really, but the
third one is so dark, and it was just and
I don't like the unfairness of anything, and this was
a very unfair. It did feel set up. I didn't
like how at the very end the girls all go
over Tamer's sitting there crying on the couch to Andy Cohen,
and the girls all go over and leave her and
Katie out for a shot. Okay, that's real witchy move,
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you know, Like.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I don't like it. No, I don't like it either.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And for the record, because I'll hope you guys actually
watched the reunion and can watch the nuances where Tamra said,
but you followed these accounts. Gretchen never denied it, and
I just want to make sure that you guys hear that.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's a very good point. How are we gonna dive
into this analysis at.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
All or not. That's why I love you so much
and why we got to keep doing this, because you
are right on the money.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm coming up next with this. Let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So rain drops, Gretchen said she paid thousands of dollars. Okay,
because again, Gretchen said, she gets paid for posting, right,
there was a joke there about posting these other things
that I'm like, let me just stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So she said she paid thousand of dollars for a
cyber analysis to do this sort of you know, investigation
in terms of where all of these posters coming up,
what happened to them?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And she had the results.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She gave them to Andy, and she said that at
the end of the day they all came back to
Tamera orchestrating all of this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Let me tell y'all something.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I believe the cyber analysis results, just.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Like I believe the Life Detective results you guys had.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Like that's my thought. I was gonna say something like that. Okay, okay,
Well hold on, Carlos, hold on, because you know dateline
and BC here has got some facts for you. Okay,
what should I do?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Go?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Girl?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
First of all, did you see what came out about
the guy that wrote that cyber analysis? He is Slade's friend,
they were he was on Slad's podcast five years ago, okay,
five years ago and not very credible, and everyone everyone
that's hearing this the same time Rasin should sue him.
But here's what Alexis did to go even further, because
(24:22):
that's just I can't stop Carlos. Okay, I don't. I'm
not bored. I'm super busy, but it bothers me when
things are mis quoted or done and properly, just like
the light detector test. Okay, And that's exactly what I
was gonna say. Is I researched the cyber thing and
I couldn't print it because my darn printer croaked this
(24:42):
morning or last night. But I have it on my
phone because I researched.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okay, So.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
What a PI cannot do? Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
And put your Okay, a P I couldnot hack Instagram illegal, Okay,
force Instagram to hand over your DMS. Instagram only complies
with law enforcement and with a valid court order, there's
no way that they got back. And Gretchen spent thousands
of dollars in that short of time. And this PI guy,
the cyber analysis guy, had enough time to get the
(25:16):
law enforcement involved and then access dms through special software
or PI tools these don't exist, and see your messages
through public records database or background checks. So basically, this guy,
how did he get his facts if he didn't have
subpoena Instagram to get all of this, have a cop
involved to get it all this was as it was
(25:39):
literally as valid as those light detector tests. You are
a million percent right. So I want to see that pamphlet.
Why doesn't Andy Cohen send me a copy of that
and let me do some research because I'm gonna then
call that PI or that cyber analysis dude and put
him in his place, even though I didn't go to
school for that, because anyone that believes that cyber analysis
(26:00):
has a freaking IQ of a vegetable, like you can't
believe it, go on and do the research. It's all online.
You can find it. You can you can research it
yourself and find it. And by the way, if he's so,
oh and then okay, well we'll get on to the
caller next. I'm going to have a heart attack because
(26:23):
I just I'm gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So the phone call, like we said last week when
we recapped this, the phone caller would have had to
sign off on, you know, getting his voice heard to
be on national television. You have to sign a waiver
to release your any and for anything you give them. Okay,
your looks you're walking down the park, if they show
(26:52):
your face or your voice.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
So this mfort is a real person, he's not an AI.
But why is he disguising his voice? And he's not
the only person that would know these facts. All of
these women have significant others. They tell and I know
they're like, well but grutch to do No. Everyone talks.
Everyone talks, and there's what twenty five producers working around there. Sorry,
(27:17):
I hate to sit, Bravo, don't get mad at me.
But people know and people talk, and it's not just
one person. And by the way, if Tamra was the
one leaking all this stuff to the all the bloggers,
why didn't any information come out? Why wasn't there a
story told? If Tamer's doing this? Because bloggers can't wait
to tell what you tell them. Just like the whole
(27:37):
everything that came out with Katie, it all came out.
Why wouldn't something have come out if Tamra really was
giving information to bloggers, there would have been some kind
of a leak of a story, not just lo and
behold all. Now, this phony caller comes with a disguised
voice and puts it you know, sends a DM, then
deletes that account, then sends a DM again. It's it's
all so shady. I want everyone to really put their
(27:58):
thinking caps on.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, apparently it seems like you and I are the
only one to who are doing it because the women
on the stage, we're trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Look, I'm gonna say this, and I do not want
to put you in an uncomfortable situation. So this is
coming from me and not Alexis. Once again, these thoughts
are of Carlos King and.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Not Alexi Janssen. So I'm gonna say that disclaimer.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I'm scared now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Heather de bro I I'll say this. I was super
shocked the way she let Bretchmen off the hook, due
to obviously the affiliation that she has with the lgbt
quite lgbt Q I a plus community. Obviously, she's been
open about her children and their sexuality and openness about that,
(28:56):
and I think Heait is a great mother. I saw
Heather have more smoke for Katie. I saw Heather have
more smoke for Tamera than she did Gretchen. I will
admit that I was disappointed in seeing how I felt
like she was helping Gretchen come to the conclusion about
(29:17):
what her mistakes were when she said, well, that's why
I was saying to you, like at dinner, like say
something to me, say something to me. I that was
hard for me to look at, even when you know
Gretchen was squealing but no tears come down her face
(29:37):
because it wasn't crying. It just it didn't survive with
me when I saw that, and I just felt like
if there was one time for someone to say, Okay, Gretchen.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Look, I get that you and Tama have this thing.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
But at the end of the day, when it comes
to this cyber analysis, and when it comes to you
not even admitting that you have followed.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
These accounts that are anti gay, some of them allegedly, I.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Don't respect your response because it doesn't make sense to me.
The way Tamra overly explained her position up. I did
not do it in the way she got emotional and
cried and you saw tears. Those were things you expected
Gretchen to do if somebody's being accused of being anti gay,
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an anti LGBTQ plus community. And the fact that she
only cried when she had to bring up naked ways
for the game, because that was one thing that she
wanted to remind people that Tamar did to her, that
she wanted all the girls to be like once again
that And I'll end by saying this, and again, these
are the thoughts of Carlos King, not Alexis Jansen gets
(30:54):
Shannon off my show and Beck and Gobs and Voice,
because I can't take Shannon only siding with these girls
to get Tamra off. You don't have an original thought
of your own. You are only there and to to
to piggyback off of these women wanting.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Tamra off. And I'll end by saying.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
This, I'm okay with Emily coming for Tamra because that's
what that's what Emily does.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And I'm here for it, to be honest with you,
so that in bothered me because that's that Emily doing
her job right. I'm surprised about Gina. I was. I
was because I love Gina. I was shocked at Gina.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Tried to say, well, I felt like Tamra said this
to me because she wanted me to bring it up.
You guys on the TV show, you all say stuff
to be brought up on the show. Tamra's not the
only one on that cast to have done that, so
I was.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I was disappointed. Gina. I still love you, but I
was disappointed, and that is my rant. Sorry, Alexis.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Wow, Well you got to go through pretty much everybody.
You went down the whole line there, so that's that's good.
You got it out right. I think the part that
shocked me the most about the Heather, because I'm going
to go through some of the girls with you. The
part that shocked me the most about Heather is when
Tamra said, I know I did tell Heather about it,
(32:14):
and Heather said, I want nothing to do with this.
That's what shocked me the most because it's like, you
have LGBTQ children, how do you not want to be
involved in that or like or like or have anything
to do with it. It's like that's what I just
was like, wow, because that was new information. You didn't
see that on the you know episode until the reunion.
(32:35):
So I'm sad. I'm sad because Heather and Tamra, you know,
have been friends for a long time, and at Bravo
Con it seems like they squashed I'll give you guys
some behind the scenes beef, but it seems like they
squashed it for the most part because they were hugging,
like when in the iHeart Suite when I'm interviewing everyone
and Heather and and Terry came in, you know, doctor
de Broke came in several times, and We're in and
(32:56):
out to do interviews and such. But they it seems
like they've worked past it. But I just I don't
like how, Yeah, nobody on that stage had Tamra's back
for anything, and they just it was a gang up.
It wasn't ice out. It was like, look, Andy, look
how close we all are and we don't like her anymore,
(33:16):
you know, And like Carlos, do you still think it's
because she's Tamras just so raw? Or you are they jelus,
Like what do you think now after seeing the final Reunion.
What do you think is the reason they're so anti
Tamra because nothing Tamra's done is anything less than what
these other women have done. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I always base things on the facts, and that's the
reason why I have no emotional attachment when it comes
to these shows, because I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
These women aren't women I hang out with on a
regular basis.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So I always come from the position of a producer
who knows how the sausage is made, but also as
if you were right, and who watches these shows and
can always revert back to pre is episodes to state
my position.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
When Tamarack got fired from the Real Housewives of.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Orange County, those women did plenty of interviews short of
celebrating her dismissal.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Okay, wait, so I'm I'm privy, not pretty to this.
I'm not privy to this, So give a little because
some of the listeners they okay, what would they do?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Tama got fired, right, and Heather de bro stepped into
the place. Okay, so Tamara got removed. Heather stepped in
everything from promotion to the way the season opened up.
The premiere episode was all about Heather's come back to
(34:50):
the show and the other women, because I watched every
single frame Jimily, Jimmily.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, god good.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
And that was a slip up. Just like my couple,
I've had right mixed words. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
After him, so Jimmie, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
They all bowed down to the Queen because the way
it was set up, Alexis would listen, Alexis had that
big house, not Alexis Lord Jesus Heather.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Heather had that.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Massive home in Orange County at the time, and we
saw her closet for the first time as a view
or whatever, and they all pretty much bowed down to
her and.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
The other girls.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
We do interview saying the season is so different. Tamra's gone.
It feels lighter, It's about real friendships, like dissing Tamra.
Long story short, everybody, including Carlos King said this is
the most boring season. We hate this season without Tamra.
Talmer came back to the show. They all said, well,
(36:02):
I mean she is good TV because everybody wants to
save their job now they know that Tama's good TV,
but the problem is Tamra.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
They feel like can't be trusted. And that's what they
said this season.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Her friend Heather said, I can't not trust you. These
are things she said that I've been saying for years.
She finally said it. Emily has said it, Gina has
said it, said it, Shannon said it when Gretchen got
back on the show. The reason why all of these
girls are on Gretchen's side is because they would rather
deal with Gretchen than Tamar. They're not jealous of Tamar
(36:36):
at all. They are afraid of her. They are afraid
because Tama's gonna call shit out and Tamar is going
to be a great housewife, but they feel like it's
at their expense.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And that's the reason why when it came to Katie
they could not trust Katie.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
They're not jealous of her being like the longest running
housewife of all time, but they're jealous up no Jo,
They're they're scared of heart.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Now with that being said, Alexis with Vicky.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Coming back, now they're like, Okay, you cannot do season
twenty without Vicky, Tamera and Shannon.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
And now they're feeling like, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Because obviously there were unionists take before Vicky's announcement. This
past weekend, a Bravo con Yes, I can guarantee you
Emily and Gina are afraid for their jobs.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Now, okay, so this is fascinating, Carlos, and you are
usually right, and I cannot wait to see because you know,
now that this is there, they're going to start They're
going to announce who the cast. You know, they're going
to start getting the phone calls and the girls are
going to start getting contracts sent via email. So who
I guestimate in the next two to three weeks we
will start hearing what's happening, but we'll see. Okay, who
(37:54):
do you think is going to be? Then give us
your and let's see if you're right, And don't ask
me this question. Don't or first question on me because
I have I am so baffled by the reunion. I
can't even I still can't even see straight from it.
So I have no clue what I think. I think
Bravo's just they're just crazy. They're crazy, but they're good
at their job. That's what I keep saying.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
This is Prabo's King's prediction for a season twenty Real
Housewives of Orange.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
County cast exclusively on Reality with the King with Alexis
Janssen Okay, here we go, Vicky, Tamra Shannon. I'm gonna
stop there because rain drops. You want to see the
reunion of treasing me, Gus said.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You want to see it.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You want to see it, and and you want to
see the conflict resolution of those three women. That's why
now Heather, Emily, and Gina.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Now, with that being said, with that being said, with
that being said.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
There is a world where it may be Emily or Gina,
but Carlos King feels like it'll be those six women.
In addition two, in addition two, in addition to testing
two new housewives.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Where one or two, if they're good, will be a housewife.
I predict we'll get eight full time housewives if two
new women are great.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Now, with that being said, with that being said, with
that being said, you are going to see Alexis Johnson,
a lot of appearances from past OC housewives.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Joe, Gina, Kay, Laurie, Lizzie m An, Alexis Johnson.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Okay, well whatever we'll cross that it comes okay, But wait,
back up, you left out, so the six women you
think plus maybe you knew okay, you left out, so
you think Jen, Katie and Gretchen are all getting.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, Okay, I fucked up.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I fucked up because.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Jen had first seat. They never get rid of the
first seat girl the next season. So I think Jen's
I think she's a shoeing. She's got to be a shoe.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
They got rid of Tamera at the first seat. Okay,
but I'll say this good point. I think Jin.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Okay, so I fucked up. I would say I'm sorry
I mentioned include Jin. That's why, Okay, I fucked up. Yes, Jen,
that's the reason why I said. I could see a
world where they're going to choose between Emily and Gina.
I could see that to break up the alliance.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I could.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I could see a world, but that would happen. I
do believe you'll get one new housewife or two. But
I do believe that you will the women who.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Are coming back that you saw this season. I don't
think Katie's coming back, nor Gretchen. Wow, I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I mean, they really do have me, you know, and
I like to have my detective detective cap on, but
they have me confused and just thinking like anything's possible.
That's truly what I feel, for sure. But but I
you know, I hate to say this, but I am
just objective and I'm just speaking my opinion. But I'm
(41:22):
so sick of Emily's stick. I'm so sick of her. Like,
if they're going to keep one, I hope they keep Gina.
I mean, at least Gina is a little bit more
funnier and just not as much of a loud mouth
dumb you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
But I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
So, Okay, if that was the case, I would like
to see that happen, if they break those two up,
which it would also make the show more interesting by
the way, Carlos, you know, because they got tweetled de
and tweetl dumb. That's been going on for like six
years now. It's like, let's break them up and have
just one tweetled d or tweetled dumb, one of the two.
But then I don't know. I can't believe you think
both Gretchen and Katie are gone, because I just don't
(41:56):
know if I feel that, I'll say this much, Okay,
who's going to be the friend of the who's the friend?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Well that's the thing. That's the thing. The thing about
Emily is this, and I'll go I'll go on record
saying this, Emily tried her best to push the envelope
and listen. As a producer and a viewer, I think
she was solid in her attempt.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
The problem is this, Emily is inconsistent, and you can't
be inconsistent when you are trying to fulfill the role
of the force multiplier. It's a tough gig to push
the envelope, but you gotta be consistent. Her inconsistencies in
how she treated Katie and then Gretchen and then Tamera,
(42:45):
it exposed that she's doing stuff for an alliance and
for TV. So I believe that, Look, the coin may
be tossed between Emily and Gina, and I was go
on record saying that if they have to choose between
Emily and Gina, I Carlos King strongly believe they will.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Choose Gina over Emily. For sure. Jen is standard OC
housewife material.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
She has a very interesting storyline, backstory, and Ryan's interesting.
So I see a world she comes back Katie and Gretchen.
The reason why don't see Katie or Gretchen coming back
full time I'll say full time for now because we
have to get rid of all of the rest due
from this season.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
We have to get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Breaking Gretchen back. You're bringing you're breaking back, Slade, you're
breaking back. Naked waisted, you're bringing back.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
We don't care to see that a facelift. We need
facelifting to stop living in the past. We need to
facelift and refresh right, refresh button.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yes, yes, Gretchen is Slade, and so I don't see
if Gretchen does come back, it's like on an appearance
release basis.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I don't see her getting a full time Orange.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
When it comes to Katie, Yes, Katie was polarizing as
a fan favorite on social media. Katie isn't strong enough
to go up against these these women, And I think
I think they want to so badly have us forget
everything that happened with this season that they have to.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Move forward and and and that's why for me, you
want to see I listen. I can watch twenty episodes
of seeing how.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Vickie, Tamarra and Shannon figure things out and and seeing
the up and down the relationship. Because one thing about
the conflict, it was always funny.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
It wasn't dark. The brother Bruce cancer thing was dark
because Brook made it dark.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That didn't involve Shannon and Tarra. So the fights that
Shannon and Tamar and why am I having a problem
here my red bull or my Alani's going to my head? Okay,
Vicky and Tamra and Shannon, their fights were not dark,
You're right. They were more of like, oh, you're just
annoying me kind of thing, and they weren't dark. So
(45:15):
I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yes, yes, And I think Vicky is going to come
back much more as the dim mother. And I think
Vicky is going to provide this levity to the show
that allows these other women to get past things quicker.
(45:38):
You cannot bring Vicky back without having Tamara and Shannon
next to her.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
You just can't do it. So Shannon another season, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I think they could. I think they could either have
Tamara or Shannon, because here's the problem. Shannon and Camera
have such a such a beef and even at the
end of the reunion, you could just tell they are
so annoyed with each other, and this whole season it
was like Tamara kept trying and Shannon was having no
goal with it. I don't know, I feel like they
might even be that bold Bravo might be that bold
(46:07):
to bring Vicky on and only either Tamra or Shannon.
I think there's a world and this is the other problem, Carlos.
Shannon doesn't have a storyline, and she brought my name
up Agin at the reunion. The only thing she has
to talk about is John and me and her dog. Like,
she doesn't have a storyline. So so I don't know
how I mean, aside from just the rekindling of getting
back with Tamara and having a friendship Agin, it's like
(46:29):
she's boring. So I don't know. I see a world
where they could they could bring just one of those
two back.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Now you got me thinking some more. Maybe Shannon is
the friend of.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
I mean, she has maybe enough of a storyline to
be that, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
But yeah, no, I love to be clear, I'm only
interested in Shannon because of Vickie and Tamara. That's it
without them. I agree with you if Vicky.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
If Vicky was not coming back on the show this season,
I believe Shannon would have been gone.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I don't see them getting rid of Shannon completely. I
do a group with you, though.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
To pay her that much money and she does nothing,
I think it's old real fast. So maybe a friend of,
maybe a friend of.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
And then that would make that would that would make
more sense because then Tamar, you know, would hopefully would stay,
which I'm even thinking after watching that reunion. I hate
to be honest, Carlos, but that's what we do. We
talk our opinion, and we have a right to our opinion.
I see a world where they might even be trying
to push Tamra out. I don't know why, but after
that reunion, I was just like, I think they might
(47:42):
even not the girls. I'm thinking maybe Bravos wanting to
push Tamra out, like maybe Tamor's going to be a
friend of. I mean, I don't know how you can
have the twentieth season without her, though, I just don't
because she's carried the show for so many years, like
her or hater, she's carried the show for so many years.
So I don't know it's gonna be. Yeah, and I say,
I'm very I'm on the edge of my seat waiting
(48:03):
to hear. I want to know.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I just I think you can't you just listen number one?
I just I I look at it from like a
promotional marketing standpoint. I just I cannot see Tamor not
being on the show this season with Vicki coming back,
I think all of that could have maybe been plausible
based on how she was railroaded meeting Tamra at this reunion.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Bicky getting that Orange, I was like, Oh, okay, good,
I think she's safe.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
I definitely want to see more of their goofy stuff
in banter together, because you know, I've been friends with
them since the first time, my first season that I
was on, and they are just a hoot to be
around and and i mean, yeah, their fights get pretty deep,
and yeah they cut each other, but you know, but
then they put the band aids on too. So it's
just I don't know, it's gonna be good. It's gonna
(49:05):
be a good season if they're both on, for sure.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it. I want to
lab listen. I have been watching OC since season one, and.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I've always said there was something special about OC because
the way you ladies knew how to navigate your friendships
in a way that yes conflicted at times. But I've
always said this, and I'm going record saying this, I
always felt like one thing OC had again, one thing
(49:39):
OC had that the other shows had a hard time
getting you guys did conflict resolution.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Very well, very well.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
You know, it's gonna be like it's gonna be like
Miami or Jersey if you don't. I mean, that's the
problem is, that's that's kind of where I think both
Shannon and Tamra messed up, as if they both wanted
to have a you know, definitely have a seat, like
they needed to kind of make up somehow through the season,
but they were just so Tamor did try I mean
from what I from what I viewed, I think it
looks like tamar did try it. It made an attempt
(50:08):
to try to, and I think Shannon was just stone
cold on that. But you know, Miami's cast is such
a mess right now. I think they are close to
ending up like Jersey. I think, you know what happened
with Jersey. It got too much of a mess. It's
like OC is the longest running. They've got to keep
the conflict resolution firm, like strong amongst each other.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
No, it's true, it's true, true, and they're going to
have to do that. So look, I am looking forward
to putting this season to bid. Thank you all for listen.
Whether you guys love it, or hate it, it was
definitely a season worth talking about and recapping. And I
want to give a special shout out to my friend
Alexis Janssen for saying yes to truly, truly having the
(50:59):
best time with me to do these recaps. I love
the fact that the world got a chance to see
what I see in you, which is you are a smart, fun,
special woman. You're beautiful inside and out. I can't thank
you enough for these recaps. I don't want this to end.
(51:20):
I'll be speaking to your team later, but I've had
the best time with you, and I'll go and breakfast
saying this. I could not have done these OC recaps
about you. It wouldn't have been as fun and a
joy for me. So thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yay, it's been so much fun. You can add quirky
to that. Everyone knows I'm quirky, so you could add
your long listener like, it's okay to say quirky and
kind of dizzy. Sometimes it's all good. I own it.
So but it's been a blast. I had so much
fun with you, and I didn't realize how fun it
would be to get up at five am sometimes and
have to do this.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
On a Friday, no less.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Some mornings we're starting so early and we're sitting there laughing,
starting at the crack of dawn, and I'm like, how
this is so fun? So anyways, I love you, rain
Drops and it's been a blast. So I hope to
see you guys soon or talk to you you know
yet a voice, find some other moments with you.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Guys the moment and thank you and shout out to Spencer.
Shout out to Spencer, who is like the man behind
the MEU. So we make you Spencer for making this.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Happen so right drop look, let Alexis and I know
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Bye.
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