August 20, 2025 • 40 mins
Reigndrops, Carlos is back with Eboni K. Williams to unpack the Ky Frost & T-Hood murder case. The streets of Atlanta are buzzing with this one, and we’re here to break it all down. Tune in each week as Carlos and Eboni bring you expert legal insights, exclusives, and the latest updates!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey, rain drops for today episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Listen my girl, Effony K Williams is back at the building.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Hey, Ebony, Hello, Carlos the King.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I have thissed you. I've missed you so much. I'm listened.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We conquered the day trial together and with your expert
opinion and the fact that you pretty much predicted the outcome.
Let's let's get the pop to this gorgeous mark intelligent
mother wo man. Okay, yeah, well, thank you, my love.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
But it was through your dominique done, investigative journalist realness
that walked us through all the pieces. I mean, it
really was like Cannie, y'all don't know this, but I
was texting Carlos on the side and I was like,
did we clock it or did we clock it? Like
down to the sentencing. I mean, you know, we we
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are waiting, but you know we kind of saw some
things come to pass.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean my.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And we'll be back officially sent it, so we'll we'll
do that again.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, so we'll be back.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So today listed it has been the talk of the
town when it comes to the particular crime that we
are discussing today. So we are discussing the case that's
been going on. It hasn't about the trial yet. It's
for the crime in the early stage with rapper t
Hood who got shot top of August. And the reason
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why this is relevant to reality with the King is
because it has to do with Tee Hood dating the
daughter of Love and hip hop stars Rasheeda and Kerk
Frost and how allegedly.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Their son Kai Frost is involved.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So to update you all what's been going on, Tee Hood,
who was born Tavin Hood, an Atlanta rapper thirty three
years old, was found dead the top of August due
to gunshot wounds. Police said that one person was detained
at the scene and it's being interviewed by detectives.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
His girlfriend is Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
She is the biological daughter of Kirk Frost, so that
is her stepmother.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Kelsey and Tee Hood was dating.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
There's so much that's been going on in terms of
allegations that she was being abused. The recent footage that
came out of Tehood allegedly beating Kelsey while she was
in her bid. Tee Hood's family is accusing Kelsey of
getting her brothers to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And the other recent report is saying that her.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Brother ky Crost, which is the biological son of both
Kirk and Mashida, they're saying that he has something involved
with it, and now they're claiming self defense, not that
Kye Cross is saying that. That's what the police are
trying to figure out in terms of the person of interest. Ebany,
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based on your research, talk to us about what's going
on with this particular situation.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
So so much, Carlos, this is you know, during my
and I want to let the rain jobs know, which
I think is a really wonderful thing from my lens
throughout us covering this case.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I actually do not watch love and hip hop, so
I really will.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Be able to have a fully objective lens when it
comes to my legal analysis of this murder or what
may be a murder actually, so let's start with that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Rest in peace to Tea Hood.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I mean, horrible, horrible, horrible, tragic killing. But we don't
know yet if it will be considered a murder. So
murder actually, Carlos, is a legal term that requires an
unjustifiable illegal killing of another. The reason I say that
we don't know if we're gonna end up with a
murder charge. And I think it's very telling that so
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far Gwynea County police are leaked there there. I can't
say leaking because they're actually providing it directly.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They are directly.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Providing certain information and not other information. And when we
see police departments do this, Carlos, we must pay attention.
For instance, it's very telling that they are telling us
that they have a primary suspect, Kay Frost, the son
of Rashida and Kirk. It's also very telling that they're
also volunteering, that they are investigating it as self defense.
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The fact that they are kind of starting the investigation
from that possibility is not common normally, Carlos King. When
you have a police department or sheriff's department, a law
enforcement entity, investigating a death, Okay, a death investigation, they're
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normally starting from a new like they're starting from a
place of someone is dead, three things happen. One of
three things happen. This is either a suicide, a homicide,
or a justifiable case for t who to have been
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shot and killed. August eighth. We are not even two
full weeks away.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
From that, Carlos.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Okay, as we record this, this is just not even
two full weeks away from the So this is an
extremely preluminary investigative.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Time, okay.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
For them to already be telling the general public that
we are looking at it through a self defense lens
normally indicates that that might be where they want to
go with the investigation. To be honest, now I'm not
shading Gwinne County Police, Carlos, but I need people to
clock that, to clock that. If they wanted to presume,
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to preserve rather the opportunity to come at it from
a more conventional murder charge, a more conventional homicide lens,
they would not be offering us that information. They would
not be telling us that, yes, Kai is the primary
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suspect at this point, and also we are investigating it
through the lens of a possible self defense. That the
point I'm making here is ladies and gentlemen, they are
making a choice. They're making a choice to release the
information with that framework.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Does that make sense, Carlos, No, it does make sense.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So when police elact right because I'm following what you're dropping.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Because it's a choice, it's a chic.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yes. Yes, when a police department, and in this particular
case is Gwennette County. It is the state of Georgia.
It's a red state. So I just want to call
things out the weighted and Jeannette.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
County is they are they considered a more affluent suburb
or tell me about Gwinnette County, So I don't want
to confuse it with the cob or anything else.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah. No, And that's the thing and the beauty of
this is I lived in Atlanta for many, many, many,
many many years. I don't know much about Barnet County, Okay,
So I honestly we're gon.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
We're gonna be learning as we go in terms of
the political demographics of the county.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
This is that will be very interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yes, So what Efony is saying, obviously there's information that's
being revealed through the Department that they want to come out.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They want us to do right.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
So they want us to be thinking because because I think,
based off of what we do know from TMZ, reporting
from other outlets, reporting from what we certainly know who
more or less shot uh tea hood, we we kind
of reasonable mind short conclude the who. This is not
a who done it? This is going to end up
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being a why did they do it? And the why
did they do it?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Question?
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Carlos is going to answer what charge is brought, if
indeed a charge, because there is a scenario where they
can do this in investigation, Carlos make their conclusions and
no charges be filed. I've seen it before and it
normally causes a lot of problems when there's an engaged
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family for the victim, you know where it's like you
didn't even put him on trial and let the judge
or jewelry decide if it was self defit. No, they
could because this is pre like charges have not been filed.
Ladies and gentlemen, there is not me charges have not
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been filed at this point, meaning there has been no arrange.
Arraignment is step one of a legal proceeding of this nature.
That would be the first thing we would see where Kai,
presumably the lead suspect right now, would stand in front
of a judge. He would have his charges formally read
to him, sir, you are charged with murder or manslaughter
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or second degree whatever it is, right, and then he
would inter repleat that's what you do in an arraignment,
guilty or not guilty, and then things would proceed trial, plea,
what have you. We're not even their rain drops. We
are not even at that stage.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
We might not even get.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
To that stage of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And that's what I'm clocking, Carlos.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think it's very a bit peculiar telling indicative that
when that County Police Department, without the DA even entering
the game at this point publicly at least saying we're investigating,
we're looking into it, we're talking to witnesses. Because they
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have also told us that Carlos, that both the primary suspect,
Kai Frost, as well as any witnesses of the occurrence
are all cooperating with this investigation. And they're basically saying,
we might have all the information we need from Jump
and we might decline to even charge this young man
based off of the witnesses and the forensic evidence and
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the direct evidence, or they could say madam or mister
or madam prosecutor, because that's going to be the next step.
They are going to have to talk to the prosecution
office and they're going to have to say, hey, we've
talked to witnesses, we've interrogated the primary suspect. We have
this is very important in this kind of case, Carlos,
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clock the forensic the shell casing, fingerprints, blood splatter, trajectory,
all of that stuff y'all see when you watch forensic.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Files or CSI and HONI shit.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
They're looking to make sure that that matches the stories
that they're hearing from the witnesses, including the primary suspect,
but also including we have to think one of the
main witnesses here is the daughter Kylie. Okay, they're going
to see that all lines up.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What's her name?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I get it right, okay, Kelsey. And are you're gonna
say that lines up or that doesn't line up? And
based on that, mister or miss prosecutor, we recommend, so
they recommend. So that's another thing I want to explain, Carlos,
is the law enforcement makes a recommendation, but ultimately it
is the prosecutor for Gwyneck County that will decide whether
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or not charges will be brought. Law enforcement makes a
recommendation based on their investigation. They hand that over the
whole file, every interview, every video of deposition, all the
stuff they get from the forensic reports, and all the
specialists and everybody, the EMMY, the medical examiner who has
looked at the body. Because I want to get to
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how I think there's some reporting that t Hood's mother
is saying, well, how could it be self defense if
he was shot five times? I'm not sure because I
haven't seen an EMMY report. I want to be clear
with brain drops, but that type of thing will all
be looked at. How many times he was shot, where
he was shot. Does this possibly give us a scenario
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of a justified taking of a life? Or does that
not line up with the physical evidence? And now that's
when typically calls we would see the prosecutor say this
is uh. This needs to be decided by what we
call a trier of fact. A trier of fact is
a jury or a judge got it.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So breaking news, the Gwynneth County released the off top
of the minutes ago, shut up?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
What what? What y'all this is?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Come on ye, So to recap what ey is saying.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So, guys, when t Hood was shot on August Ay,
his family has topically a cute his girlfriend, Kelsey Frost,
and her brothers Ky Frost and Kerk Cross Junior of involvement.
The family is alleging that Kelsey set of Tea Hood
after a domestic violence incident. The family is alleging that
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Kelsey called her brothers Kay and Kerk Cross Junior to
confront the rapper they're alleging got This confrontation reportedly resulted
and Kai allegedly shooting Tea Hood. So the autopsic came
back today and this is what TMZ has learned. According
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to a Gwinter County's MS report obtained by TMZ, te
Hood stuffer gunshot wounds to the back, afdomen, buttops and
lower right and left five. The report said Hood pulled
a gun during a heated argument with two other people
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and sought his Georgia home, but someone opened fire and
self defense killing the rapper is unclear as of now.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Who the shooter is. Tea Hood was Russian avalance it's
pronounced it.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Investigators were called to the scene on a report of
a dispute between two people at the house. Police have
identified ky Frost as the prime suspect, but, like Ebany said,
no charges have been filed as yet, Last but not
Leaves and I want Ebony to recap the all.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Time support and this as well. Okay, Last but not Leaves.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
TMD also obtained another police report from March of this year,
where Kelsey called nine to one one and said Tee
Hood had made off with her Mercedes, sins and black
Mac Minnie following an argument after a night out at
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the club. So Abony he got shot five times.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
At least at least geez.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Well, now this this definitely complicates things in the sense
that now I think it will be very unlikely and unadvisable,
ill advised for this to not go to a jury
or a judge, like I think, I think any preluminary
conclusion Carlos that this law enforcement office of Gwinne County
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makes that says, despite the fact that this young man
was shot five times at least in all of these
different areas, including his back, which tends to not so
closely correlate with defense posture any movement on them by
saying we've seen enough here and we're going to conclude
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as a matter of a law and order that there's
nothing to see here and this was just self defense
slash defense of others, which I'll get to that in
a minute, and case closed. I think that would be
a mistake. I think that would be a tactical era
and I don't foresee that. I think with this report
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coming out now indicating this level of gunfire and the
locations as to where they are, I think this now
has to move forward in a more traditional way. I
think this now has to be considered by a try
or of fact and a judge or jury, and only
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a judge or jury Carlos would be able to evaluate
all of this evidence here from all of these witnesses,
look at all of this autopsy, hear from the medical
examiner himself here potentially from you know, defense witnesses, and
make a legal conclusion that would feel like justice.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So then, yeah, so based on this evidence, I want
to talk to you about this.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Okay, not to make this a rain thing, but in
most black households, if.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I I'm sisters, yeah, if your sister calls you and
says that my boyfriend allegedly put hands on me. And
I think.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Most brothers would definitely go to protect their sister, right,
So would that being said, would this be a.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
If you were a part of Kai and Kirk's Frost
Junior's legal team. Yes, and they're allegedly.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Saying to you, our sister called us, this man was
putting hands on her.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We confronted him.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He pulled out a gun first, and we put out
a gun second, and then the rest is history is
that of good case for self defense?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, so let's back it up. First of all, let's talk.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
So some people are gonna hear self defense, Carlos, and
they're gonna take it literally. So they're gonna say, even
if he was putting his hands on the sister, what
that's got to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Do with you.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
You took yourself over there per her request or urging
or invitation, whatever we want to say, right, and you
inserted yourself into the matter.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I want to clear this up just.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
For anybody that it's confused when they hear self defense
and think what te Hood wasn't beating his ass, you know,
the brothers, So how is that illegal defense?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Mechanism.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It's under the theory of defense of others. Okay, So
in Georgia, as in most states, the same level of
defense you could apply to yourself you get to reasonably
apply to others. So that is I just want to
lay out, Carlos, the legal mechanism that would allow a
successful legal defense to be mounted by the brother in
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this case Kai that says he gets to protect his
sister or frankly, even a stranger. There doesn't need to
be a relationship between the person and the person they're protecting.
That's important to cite as well. If you or I
didn't know each other from a can of paint and
we happened to be at McDonald's and you saw a
man or beating me, you could use force, even deadly forced,
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to protect me a woman you don't even know, because
that is what defense of self or defense of others
legally affords you.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's clear.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yes, now I want to talk about your comment, which
you made off the cuff, but it's very important because
we don't know what this jury potentially could look like
if this goes the way I think it's gonna go
based off of what I'm already seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Just this little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
This is probably gonna go to trial. Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
And you said not to make it a black thing.
But if somebody, I'm a brother, if somebody beats to myself.
You've seen The Godfather, I presume.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
The film, so clock White Clock, Italian team, Baby Clock,
White Folks team.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I think that is a very effective defense argument regardless
of race. Ninety nine point of any culture is going
and if you have it, I wouldn't be above playing
the clip in my closing argument. If I'm representing Kyle
Frost on defence.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Let's let's remind American jurors of our values around family
and protection?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Am I am I good? Am I good?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Or am I good? But not not?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
You left the frame, Carlos, You're great frame. But you
see what I'm saying. That's how you connect that. And
you say, ever since the Dawn of Americana, brothers protect
their sisters.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
And again I'm not this is impersonal.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I'm not saying this is how he should go, but
I'm saying this is how the argument is made.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And for those rings know what we're referring to.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
In the first Godfather film, one of the oldest brothers, Sonny,
his sister is being beaten like a rag doll by
her husband, and she calls her brother.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Sonny, Oh my god, he's beating my ass.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Bye bye bah, And he's literally beating her as she's
calling Sonny runs his ass over there, and ultimately, and
let's clock this piece, it was a setup.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
It actually was a setup in the godfather.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
To get money out of the house and get him
somewhere else so they could kill Sonny. So this is
now where it's complicated. So there's the basic premise of
brothers protect sisters by any means, you know, But then
there's also, well, is there also an argument on the
other side, on the tea hood side, the victim side,
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the prosecutor side, that says, well, how do we know
this isn't a broad manipulation by the Frost family if
you will to say yes, she is a victim of
domestic violence, because we already know videos are already starting
to come out and show them, like you said, in
police reports now on one calls going back at least
to twenty twenty four, maybe before. So that is going
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to be laid in trial that there was a pattern
likely of domestic abuse by the hands of tea hood
to Kylie.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But then they're going to say, but.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
How do we eliminate the possibility that, due to that
pattern of abuse, Kylie didn't say enough is enough?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
What's the word construe and create a scenario in which
deadly force.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Will be used against my abuser.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But here's the thing about that, and this goes back
to the origin of the battered woman's defense, which didn't
used to exist in a big way until the Betty
Broadery trial.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's one of my favorite trials.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
So if you ever want to do true crime with
Carlos King the archives, baby call me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
They had a TV special two years ago two.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yes, yes, yeah, Dirty John season two anyway, yes, yes, yes.
But here's the thing about the battered woman's defense, Carlos King.
It must be used in the moment, meaning it is
not legally justifiable to go. Essentially, what the law would
say is retaliate, so to kill or harm after the fact.
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So so so a man or woman could be meeting
someone else for years, actually beating them, actually harming them,
causing them harm, great physical harm, almost debt right. And
the law does not recognize a legal right, a justifiable
legal right to come after the abuser unless it is
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in real time what we called the heat of the moment.
If it's any time other than that, that is non
justifiable assault or homicide or whatever it is. So what
I'm framing is that there is an argument that will
be considered, I'm sure. And this is what t Hood's
family is already suggesting, right, is that Okay, you know
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she let's say, you know, she's this alleged victim, and
because she decided she was tired of being a victim,
she orchestrated. That's the allegation from the family, right, is
that this is now an orchestrated effort to set our
son t Hood up to be murdered, to be dealt with,
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to in the abuse cycle in this particular way. The
only problem is it is still murder if he wasn't
if this was not all authentic, if this wasn't a
genuine attack, she was being genuinely abused in real time
and the brothers were called in a real authentic way.
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If there's any discovery that there was any setup or
planning or we're gonna do, that undermines the whole defense.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
That's actually very fascinating and I want to read this
to you and the rain drops.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Ebony just face on.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
In August twelfth report from Gwyneth County that spells out
what happened that fad of night. So, according to Greneth County,
the shooter remain unseen at the time of the incident,
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and both the shooter and witnesses continued to cooperate with investigators.
Preliminary information indicates that a domestic disturbance occurred of the residence,
resulting in a female victim sustaining physical injuries. Okay, So
what Ebany is saying to you guys, which this is,
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which this is corroborating, is.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Like actual beating was happening in real time exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So the victim sustained physical injuries at the time of
the shooting, and that the shooter remained on the seeing
of the crime, cooperating with investigat with with the with
the police, the shooter and they're not naming people.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
The shooter who arrived at the residence after mm hm
the physical altercation had taken place, separated himself from the
residence before the shooting occurred.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I saw that.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I thought that was very interesting. So then I was like,
so did he come back. Yeah, yes, so that needs
to be explained. That's a whole. That's what we call
a hole in the story, right what you just pointed out, Carlos,
let you separate yours that you left, but then obviously
you must have come back and then completed the shooting,
and then you stayed on site to cooperate, almost as
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if you knew you had questions to account for. And
almost one could argue as if you knew you had
good facts to justify the shooting. Who all speculative, but
could either to play out. I want to talk about
what would be required for ky Frost, who is the
named lead suspect, to be successful in the self defense
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slash defense of others effort. It doesn't require that she
was about to die, because a lot of people think
that they think well.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
In order for him to justifiably use deadly force.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Against t Hood, certainly t Hood must have been trying
to kill his sister.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
That is not required.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That is not required.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
In the state of Georgia. You can use force up
to deadly force, which is what we're talking about. This
is a deadly force case if you believe reasonably. That's
a very important word. Carlos, reasonably believe that yourself or
the other in this case, Kylie was under threat or
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force that would cause significant harm is a high enough threshold.
She doesn't have to be almost killed. You don't have
to believe that she's going to be killed. You just
have to believe that she's going to continue to be
significantly harmed. But the law does require something called proportionality,
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that the force you use, even up to force, is
proportionate to the harm that you reasonably believed was being
out executed or possible. So let's say you're the prosecutor. Okay,
now you want to say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
you may very well believe and empathize with the defendant
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because some of you are fathers, some of you are brothers,
some of you are mama bear mothers who believe that
if you saw your daughter being jumped on, beat down,
you too would do what we're saying mister Kai did.
But in what world does that require you to stop
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the harm the deceased allegedly did? In what world does
that require.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
A bullet in the back, a bullet in the butt,
a bullet in the leg.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
And see what I'm saying, so, now.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
We're cracking the proportionality piece of the defense argument that, Okay,
we can understand somebody wanting to put a stop to
their sister being harmed, but we're now saying that the
proportionality of the force used, even if it was even
if we could say, hey, if he shot him once
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or twice, I guess, but he didn't shoot him once
or twice.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
This is what you call overkill.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
This is what you call h of. It's a word
not revenge. This is vigilante killing.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
This is a brother seeking revenge vigilante style, over months
and months and months, if not years and years and
years of physical and emotional abuse suffered at the hands
of his sister. And while we can emotionally understand the
desire to do that, this state's laws do not recognize
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vigilante justice. And on that basis, you must find this
defendant guilty of second Now, it's not gonna be first
degree murder. I can tell you that right now.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I don't see it. I don't And what explained first
degree murder to and why it would it be that?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yes, so first degree murder requires the highest level of
intent Carlos and has no mitigators, So that would be
I'm coming here for no other reason than to cause
your death. The mere fact that the brother was responsive,
for all the facts that we're hearing right, was responsive
to a domestic dispute kind of takes that all the
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way off the table.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Okay, Now there's second degree murder, which may be on
the table, which.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Says that there might have been some mitigators, but ultimately
you intended to cause the death of another. You had
that intention, and there was not enough to justify it. Okay,
so maybe you went to break it up, but at
some point that intention switched to no, I'm gonna kill you.
That would a second degree. And then we've got what,
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just looking at this real quick with what we know,
I think is more appropriate, probably an imperfect self defense model,
which says there was probably some real self defense or
defense of others intentionality here, but you overdid it. You
overdid it, You did too much, It was out of proportion.
Or even if you believe you needed to shoot him
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five times to get him off your sister, that wasn't reasonable.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
You might have really believed that, but.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
A reasonable person would not have acted in that way.
So thus that would be an imperfect self.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Defense makes sense, makes sense, and that is what Teahood's
family is pretty much suggesting that if there was self
defense at the shopper five times so ebony is active
in terms of the sort of like world.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It was the family saying that that could be the case.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
One thing I want to address to before I let
you go, Ebony is, according to TMZ, tee Hood had
a brush with death months before the fatal shooting. Tea
Hood was struck by gunfire just months before he was shot,
did in his home. TMZ obtained a police support in
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Georgia that stays tee Hood showed up to a hospital
in late April with gunshot wounds. Now, this is from
the Calb County Police Department. The report says that the
police department in the calv County was called to a
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shell gas station for a report of a shooting. Cops
say they encountered a woman with a gun shot injury
to her leg and approximately ten bullet hill hay sinks
in the parking lot and roadway. Police say about twenty
five minutes after the report of the shooting came in,
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they were advised a man later identified as Tea Hood
showed up at a nearby hospital with guns shot wounds.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
This report is from April twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
A few days later, Tea Hood posted images on social
media of himself in the hospital. Did there are reports
that are alleging they're alleging that Tea Hood has had
passed past behavior allegedly abusing women. That's what people are alleging.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
And again, that's gonna come if this goes to trial,
as I expect it will, unless he takes a plea,
which they may.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
That's another story for We'll get to that in the
future episode.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
But like what a plea could look like, right, and
why a prosecutor's office might be incentivized to go that
route if it goes to trial. All that's coming in
Carlos I mean not not saying it's going to come
into evidence, but they will, meaning the defense will try
to bring that because that helps their argument that the
deceased he Hood is just a problem, that he is
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just a problem. He is a threat to public safety,
he is a threat to the safety of others. Essentially,
it's a he had it coming defense, which we've seen before.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
He had it coming if.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
It wasn't going to be the defendant defending his sister
from a beating. It was gonna be somebody's husband, somebody's daddy,
somebody at some point was going to put this bad
actor down.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That becomes the defense.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
This is interesting as hell, Carlos, I gotta tell.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
You, these are I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
These are some interesting facts because this involves family, loyalty
and protection. This involves celebrity because te Hood is a
reper in his own right. Obviously the Frost are an entity,
you know, So this is that wealth and celebrity. This
is also the politics local politics. That's why I'm gonna
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do some investigation between now in our next episode, the
distinctions of Gyne County Decalb County, you know, because all
of these things play apart. You know, I've in with
with my former practice. I've had clients I'm representing that
maybe they cat cases. My case is in Durham, but
they got another case in Orange County, they got something
in Wait County. So I got to get on the
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phone and we gotta we got to manage all the
politics of that as a part of the defense strategy,
because I can't do my job effectively if I don't
know how all of these political elements are landing.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
This is deep, This is very deep.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It is it is. It is obviously our hearts go
out to Tee Hood's family who obviously you know, loss
of loss of brother, loss of son. Yeah, yeah, so
Ahar goes out to them and all her goles out
to healthy who you know was the victim. Allegend, I'll
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just tell a leegend for the sake of it, do
message of you. So harges out to the Frost family,
to the family.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Harlow's put on social media that for her she still
lost the love of her life. Her words, not ours, That's.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
What she say that she is.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
And so it would be interesting if this does go
to trial, if she takes the stand, and if that
is beneficial to the brother's case, if it goes that way,
or she sounds like right now she would serve to
humanize Tea Hood. Actually, so this is all very fascinating.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yes, And in our next episode the rain drops, this
will be a sory similar to the Diddy trial that
Evan I did recently. Obviously, this has not gone to trial,
no charges having fouled, no arrested and made officially, But
what I will say is in our next episode. I
do want to, like Evan he said, break down the
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politics regarding the counties, but I also.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Want to break down which was a great cliffhanger.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Kelthy writing a note stating that this was the love
of her life and what that means for this case?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Is it a case of Stockholm syndrome? Does that? Does
that hurt her brother's case if he is involved allegedly.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
So there's there's much more to dive into this, which
is why she and I will be making this a
series as we track down every case, every situation because
as of today, the autopic came out, and trust me,
by the time of the next recording, there's going to
be more information.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Yeah, this is this is just getting started. So this
is a perfect time rain Drops to clock in as
we cover this. You know, Gavel to Gavel as we.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Say yes, Emika, well, thank you so much, give baby
Liberty my.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Love and I'll see you in the next Love you darling,
see you soon, Bye rain Drops.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Bye bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey, rain drops for today episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Listen my girl, Effony K Williams is back at the building.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Hey, Ebony, Hello, Carlos the King.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I have thissed you. I've missed you so much. I'm listened.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We conquered the day trial together and with your expert
opinion and the fact that you pretty much predicted the outcome.
Let's let's get the pop to this gorgeous mark intelligent
mother wo man. Okay, yeah, well, thank you, my love.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
But it was through your dominique done, investigative journalist realness
that walked us through all the pieces. I mean, it
really was like Cannie, y'all don't know this, but I
was texting Carlos on the side and I was like,
did we clock it or did we clock it? Like
down to the sentencing. I mean, you know, we we
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are waiting, but you know we kind of saw some
things come to pass.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I mean my.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And we'll be back officially sent it, so we'll we'll
do that again.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, so we'll be back.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So today listed it has been the talk of the
town when it comes to the particular crime that we
are discussing today. So we are discussing the case that's
been going on. It hasn't about the trial yet. It's
for the crime in the early stage with rapper t
Hood who got shot top of August. And the reason
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why this is relevant to reality with the King is
because it has to do with Tee Hood dating the
daughter of Love and hip hop stars Rasheeda and Kerk
Frost and how allegedly.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Their son Kai Frost is involved.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So to update you all what's been going on, Tee Hood,
who was born Tavin Hood, an Atlanta rapper thirty three
years old, was found dead the top of August due
to gunshot wounds. Police said that one person was detained
at the scene and it's being interviewed by detectives.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
His girlfriend is Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
She is the biological daughter of Kirk Frost, so that
is her stepmother.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Kelsey and Tee Hood was dating.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
There's so much that's been going on in terms of
allegations that she was being abused. The recent footage that
came out of Tehood allegedly beating Kelsey while she was
in her bid. Tee Hood's family is accusing Kelsey of
getting her brothers to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And the other recent report is saying that her.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Brother ky Crost, which is the biological son of both
Kirk and Mashida, they're saying that he has something involved
with it, and now they're claiming self defense, not that
Kye Cross is saying that. That's what the police are
trying to figure out in terms of the person of interest. Ebany,
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based on your research, talk to us about what's going
on with this particular situation.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
So so much, Carlos, this is you know, during my
and I want to let the rain jobs know, which
I think is a really wonderful thing from my lens
throughout us covering this case.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I actually do not watch love and hip hop, so
I really will.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Be able to have a fully objective lens when it
comes to my legal analysis of this murder or what
may be a murder actually, so let's start with that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Rest in peace to Tea Hood.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I mean, horrible, horrible, horrible, tragic killing. But we don't
know yet if it will be considered a murder. So
murder actually, Carlos, is a legal term that requires an
unjustifiable illegal killing of another. The reason I say that
we don't know if we're gonna end up with a
murder charge. And I think it's very telling that so
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far Gwynea County police are leaked there there. I can't
say leaking because they're actually providing it directly.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They are directly.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Providing certain information and not other information. And when we
see police departments do this, Carlos, we must pay attention.
For instance, it's very telling that they are telling us
that they have a primary suspect, Kay Frost, the son
of Rashida and Kirk. It's also very telling that they're
also volunteering, that they are investigating it as self defense.
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The fact that they are kind of starting the investigation
from that possibility is not common normally, Carlos King. When
you have a police department or sheriff's department, a law
enforcement entity, investigating a death, Okay, a death investigation, they're
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normally starting from a new like they're starting from a
place of someone is dead, three things happen. One of
three things happen. This is either a suicide, a homicide,
or a justifiable case for t who to have been
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shot and killed. August eighth. We are not even two
full weeks away.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
From that, Carlos.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Okay, as we record this, this is just not even
two full weeks away from the So this is an
extremely preluminary investigative.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Time, okay.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
For them to already be telling the general public that
we are looking at it through a self defense lens
normally indicates that that might be where they want to
go with the investigation. To be honest, now I'm not
shading Gwinne County Police, Carlos, but I need people to
clock that, to clock that. If they wanted to presume,
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to preserve rather the opportunity to come at it from
a more conventional murder charge, a more conventional homicide lens,
they would not be offering us that information. They would
not be telling us that, yes, Kai is the primary
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suspect at this point, and also we are investigating it
through the lens of a possible self defense. That the
point I'm making here is ladies and gentlemen, they are
making a choice. They're making a choice to release the
information with that framework.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Does that make sense, Carlos, No, it does make sense.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So when police elact right because I'm following what you're dropping.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Because it's a choice, it's a chic.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yes. Yes, when a police department, and in this particular
case is Gwennette County. It is the state of Georgia.
It's a red state. So I just want to call
things out the weighted and Jeannette.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
County is they are they considered a more affluent suburb
or tell me about Gwinnette County, So I don't want
to confuse it with the cob or anything else.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah. No, And that's the thing and the beauty of
this is I lived in Atlanta for many, many, many,
many many years. I don't know much about Barnet County, Okay,
So I honestly we're gon.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
We're gonna be learning as we go in terms of
the political demographics of the county.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
This is that will be very interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yes, So what Efony is saying, obviously there's information that's
being revealed through the Department that they want to come out.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They want us to do right.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
So they want us to be thinking because because I think,
based off of what we do know from TMZ, reporting
from other outlets, reporting from what we certainly know who
more or less shot uh tea hood, we we kind
of reasonable mind short conclude the who. This is not
a who done it? This is going to end up
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being a why did they do it? And the why
did they do it?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Question?
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Carlos is going to answer what charge is brought, if
indeed a charge, because there is a scenario where they
can do this in investigation, Carlos make their conclusions and
no charges be filed. I've seen it before and it
normally causes a lot of problems when there's an engaged
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family for the victim, you know where it's like you
didn't even put him on trial and let the judge
or jewelry decide if it was self defit. No, they
could because this is pre like charges have not been filed.
Ladies and gentlemen, there is not me charges have not
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been filed at this point, meaning there has been no arrange.
Arraignment is step one of a legal proceeding of this nature.
That would be the first thing we would see where Kai,
presumably the lead suspect right now, would stand in front
of a judge. He would have his charges formally read
to him, sir, you are charged with murder or manslaughter
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or second degree whatever it is, right, and then he
would inter repleat that's what you do in an arraignment,
guilty or not guilty, and then things would proceed trial, plea,
what have you. We're not even their rain drops. We
are not even at that stage.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
We might not even get.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
To that stage of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And that's what I'm clocking, Carlos.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think it's very a bit peculiar telling indicative that
when that County Police Department, without the DA even entering
the game at this point publicly at least saying we're investigating,
we're looking into it, we're talking to witnesses. Because they
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have also told us that Carlos, that both the primary suspect,
Kai Frost, as well as any witnesses of the occurrence
are all cooperating with this investigation. And they're basically saying,
we might have all the information we need from Jump
and we might decline to even charge this young man
based off of the witnesses and the forensic evidence and
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the direct evidence, or they could say madam or mister
or madam prosecutor, because that's going to be the next step.
They are going to have to talk to the prosecution
office and they're going to have to say, hey, we've
talked to witnesses, we've interrogated the primary suspect. We have
this is very important in this kind of case, Carlos,
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clock the forensic the shell casing, fingerprints, blood splatter, trajectory,
all of that stuff y'all see when you watch forensic.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Files or CSI and HONI shit.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
They're looking to make sure that that matches the stories
that they're hearing from the witnesses, including the primary suspect,
but also including we have to think one of the
main witnesses here is the daughter Kylie. Okay, they're going
to see that all lines up.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What's her name?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I get it right, okay, Kelsey. And are you're gonna
say that lines up or that doesn't line up? And
based on that, mister or miss prosecutor, we recommend, so
they recommend. So that's another thing I want to explain, Carlos,
is the law enforcement makes a recommendation, but ultimately it
is the prosecutor for Gwyneck County that will decide whether
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or not charges will be brought. Law enforcement makes a
recommendation based on their investigation. They hand that over the
whole file, every interview, every video of deposition, all the
stuff they get from the forensic reports, and all the
specialists and everybody, the EMMY, the medical examiner who has
looked at the body. Because I want to get to
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how I think there's some reporting that t Hood's mother
is saying, well, how could it be self defense if
he was shot five times? I'm not sure because I
haven't seen an EMMY report. I want to be clear
with brain drops, but that type of thing will all
be looked at. How many times he was shot, where
he was shot. Does this possibly give us a scenario
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of a justified taking of a life? Or does that
not line up with the physical evidence? And now that's
when typically calls we would see the prosecutor say this
is uh. This needs to be decided by what we
call a trier of fact. A trier of fact is
a jury or a judge got it.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So breaking news, the Gwynneth County released the off top
of the minutes ago, shut up?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
What what? What y'all this is?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Come on ye, So to recap what ey is saying.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So, guys, when t Hood was shot on August Ay,
his family has topically a cute his girlfriend, Kelsey Frost,
and her brothers Ky Frost and Kerk Cross Junior of involvement.
The family is alleging that Kelsey set of Tea Hood
after a domestic violence incident. The family is alleging that
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Kelsey called her brothers Kay and Kerk Cross Junior to
confront the rapper they're alleging got This confrontation reportedly resulted
and Kai allegedly shooting Tea Hood. So the autopsic came
back today and this is what TMZ has learned. According
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to a Gwinter County's MS report obtained by TMZ, te
Hood stuffer gunshot wounds to the back, afdomen, buttops and
lower right and left five. The report said Hood pulled
a gun during a heated argument with two other people
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and sought his Georgia home, but someone opened fire and
self defense killing the rapper is unclear as of now.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Who the shooter is. Tea Hood was Russian avalance it's
pronounced it.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Investigators were called to the scene on a report of
a dispute between two people at the house. Police have
identified ky Frost as the prime suspect, but, like Ebany said,
no charges have been filed as yet, Last but not
Leaves and I want Ebony to recap the all.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Time support and this as well. Okay, Last but not Leaves.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
TMD also obtained another police report from March of this year,
where Kelsey called nine to one one and said Tee
Hood had made off with her Mercedes, sins and black
Mac Minnie following an argument after a night out at
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the club. So Abony he got shot five times.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
At least at least geez.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Well, now this this definitely complicates things in the sense
that now I think it will be very unlikely and unadvisable,
ill advised for this to not go to a jury
or a judge, like I think, I think any preluminary
conclusion Carlos that this law enforcement office of Gwinne County
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makes that says, despite the fact that this young man
was shot five times at least in all of these
different areas, including his back, which tends to not so
closely correlate with defense posture any movement on them by
saying we've seen enough here and we're going to conclude
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as a matter of a law and order that there's
nothing to see here and this was just self defense
slash defense of others, which I'll get to that in
a minute, and case closed. I think that would be
a mistake. I think that would be a tactical era
and I don't foresee that. I think with this report
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coming out now indicating this level of gunfire and the
locations as to where they are, I think this now
has to move forward in a more traditional way. I
think this now has to be considered by a try
or of fact and a judge or jury, and only
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a judge or jury Carlos would be able to evaluate
all of this evidence here from all of these witnesses,
look at all of this autopsy, hear from the medical
examiner himself here potentially from you know, defense witnesses, and
make a legal conclusion that would feel like justice.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So then, yeah, so based on this evidence, I want
to talk to you about this.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Okay, not to make this a rain thing, but in
most black households, if.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I I'm sisters, yeah, if your sister calls you and
says that my boyfriend allegedly put hands on me. And
I think.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Most brothers would definitely go to protect their sister, right,
So would that being said, would this be a.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
If you were a part of Kai and Kirk's Frost
Junior's legal team. Yes, and they're allegedly.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Saying to you, our sister called us, this man was
putting hands on her.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We confronted him.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He pulled out a gun first, and we put out
a gun second, and then the rest is history is
that of good case for self defense?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, so let's back it up. First of all, let's talk.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
So some people are gonna hear self defense, Carlos, and
they're gonna take it literally. So they're gonna say, even
if he was putting his hands on the sister, what
that's got to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Do with you.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
You took yourself over there per her request or urging
or invitation, whatever we want to say, right, and you
inserted yourself into the matter.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I want to clear this up just.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
For anybody that it's confused when they hear self defense
and think what te Hood wasn't beating his ass, you know,
the brothers, So how is that illegal defense?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Mechanism.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It's under the theory of defense of others. Okay, So
in Georgia, as in most states, the same level of
defense you could apply to yourself you get to reasonably
apply to others. So that is I just want to
lay out, Carlos, the legal mechanism that would allow a
successful legal defense to be mounted by the brother in
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this case Kai that says he gets to protect his
sister or frankly, even a stranger. There doesn't need to
be a relationship between the person and the person they're protecting.
That's important to cite as well. If you or I
didn't know each other from a can of paint and
we happened to be at McDonald's and you saw a
man or beating me, you could use force, even deadly forced,
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to protect me a woman you don't even know, because
that is what defense of self or defense of others
legally affords you.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's clear.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yes, now I want to talk about your comment, which
you made off the cuff, but it's very important because
we don't know what this jury potentially could look like
if this goes the way I think it's gonna go
based off of what I'm already seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Just this little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
This is probably gonna go to trial. Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
And you said not to make it a black thing.
But if somebody, I'm a brother, if somebody beats to myself.
You've seen The Godfather, I presume.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
The film, so clock White Clock, Italian team, Baby Clock,
White Folks team.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
I think that is a very effective defense argument regardless
of race. Ninety nine point of any culture is going
and if you have it, I wouldn't be above playing
the clip in my closing argument. If I'm representing Kyle
Frost on defence.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Let's let's remind American jurors of our values around family
and protection?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Am I am I good? Am I good?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Or am I good? But not not?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
You left the frame, Carlos, You're great frame. But you
see what I'm saying. That's how you connect that. And
you say, ever since the Dawn of Americana, brothers protect
their sisters.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
And again I'm not this is impersonal.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I'm not saying this is how he should go, but
I'm saying this is how the argument is made.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And for those rings know what we're referring to.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
In the first Godfather film, one of the oldest brothers, Sonny,
his sister is being beaten like a rag doll by
her husband, and she calls her brother.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Sonny, Oh my god, he's beating my ass.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Bye bye bah, And he's literally beating her as she's
calling Sonny runs his ass over there, and ultimately, and
let's clock this piece, it was a setup.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
It actually was a setup in the godfather.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
To get money out of the house and get him
somewhere else so they could kill Sonny. So this is
now where it's complicated. So there's the basic premise of
brothers protect sisters by any means, you know, But then
there's also, well, is there also an argument on the
other side, on the tea hood side, the victim side,
(23:08):
the prosecutor side, that says, well, how do we know
this isn't a broad manipulation by the Frost family if
you will to say yes, she is a victim of
domestic violence, because we already know videos are already starting
to come out and show them, like you said, in
police reports now on one calls going back at least
to twenty twenty four, maybe before. So that is going
(23:32):
to be laid in trial that there was a pattern
likely of domestic abuse by the hands of tea hood
to Kylie.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But then they're going to say, but.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
How do we eliminate the possibility that, due to that
pattern of abuse, Kylie didn't say enough is enough?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And I'm going to.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
What's the word construe and create a scenario in which
deadly force.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Will be used against my abuser.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But here's the thing about that, and this goes back
to the origin of the battered woman's defense, which didn't
used to exist in a big way until the Betty
Broadery trial.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's one of my favorite trials.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
So if you ever want to do true crime with
Carlos King the archives, baby call me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
They had a TV special two years ago two.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yes, yes, yeah, Dirty John season two anyway, yes, yes, yes.
But here's the thing about the battered woman's defense, Carlos King.
It must be used in the moment, meaning it is
not legally justifiable to go. Essentially, what the law would
say is retaliate, so to kill or harm after the fact.
(24:57):
So so so a man or woman could be meeting
someone else for years, actually beating them, actually harming them,
causing them harm, great physical harm, almost debt right. And
the law does not recognize a legal right, a justifiable
legal right to come after the abuser unless it is
(25:20):
in real time what we called the heat of the moment.
If it's any time other than that, that is non
justifiable assault or homicide or whatever it is. So what
I'm framing is that there is an argument that will
be considered, I'm sure. And this is what t Hood's
family is already suggesting, right, is that Okay, you know
(25:44):
she let's say, you know, she's this alleged victim, and
because she decided she was tired of being a victim,
she orchestrated. That's the allegation from the family, right, is
that this is now an orchestrated effort to set our
son t Hood up to be murdered, to be dealt with,
(26:07):
to in the abuse cycle in this particular way. The
only problem is it is still murder if he wasn't
if this was not all authentic, if this wasn't a
genuine attack, she was being genuinely abused in real time
and the brothers were called in a real authentic way.
(26:27):
If there's any discovery that there was any setup or
planning or we're gonna do, that undermines the whole defense.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
That's actually very fascinating and I want to read this
to you and the rain drops.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Ebony just face on.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
In August twelfth report from Gwyneth County that spells out
what happened that fad of night. So, according to Greneth County,
the shooter remain unseen at the time of the incident,
(27:07):
and both the shooter and witnesses continued to cooperate with investigators.
Preliminary information indicates that a domestic disturbance occurred of the residence,
resulting in a female victim sustaining physical injuries. Okay, So
what Ebany is saying to you guys, which this is,
(27:27):
which this is corroborating, is.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Like actual beating was happening in real time exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So the victim sustained physical injuries at the time of
the shooting, and that the shooter remained on the seeing
of the crime, cooperating with investigat with with the with
the police, the shooter and they're not naming people.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
The shooter who arrived at the residence after mm hm
the physical altercation had taken place, separated himself from the
residence before the shooting occurred.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I saw that.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I thought that was very interesting. So then I was like,
so did he come back. Yeah, yes, so that needs
to be explained. That's a whole. That's what we call
a hole in the story, right what you just pointed out, Carlos,
let you separate yours that you left, but then obviously
you must have come back and then completed the shooting,
and then you stayed on site to cooperate, almost as
(28:26):
if you knew you had questions to account for. And
almost one could argue as if you knew you had
good facts to justify the shooting. Who all speculative, but
could either to play out. I want to talk about
what would be required for ky Frost, who is the
named lead suspect, to be successful in the self defense
(28:51):
slash defense of others effort. It doesn't require that she
was about to die, because a lot of people think
that they think well.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
In order for him to justifiably use deadly force.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Against t Hood, certainly t Hood must have been trying
to kill his sister.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
That is not required.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That is not required.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
In the state of Georgia. You can use force up
to deadly force, which is what we're talking about. This
is a deadly force case if you believe reasonably. That's
a very important word. Carlos, reasonably believe that yourself or
the other in this case, Kylie was under threat or
(29:36):
force that would cause significant harm is a high enough threshold.
She doesn't have to be almost killed. You don't have
to believe that she's going to be killed. You just
have to believe that she's going to continue to be
significantly harmed. But the law does require something called proportionality,
(29:57):
that the force you use, even up to force, is
proportionate to the harm that you reasonably believed was being
out executed or possible. So let's say you're the prosecutor. Okay,
now you want to say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
you may very well believe and empathize with the defendant
(30:19):
because some of you are fathers, some of you are brothers,
some of you are mama bear mothers who believe that
if you saw your daughter being jumped on, beat down,
you too would do what we're saying mister Kai did.
But in what world does that require you to stop
(30:42):
the harm the deceased allegedly did? In what world does
that require.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
A bullet in the back, a bullet in the butt,
a bullet in the leg.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
And see what I'm saying, so, now.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
We're cracking the proportionality piece of the defense argument that, Okay,
we can understand somebody wanting to put a stop to
their sister being harmed, but we're now saying that the
proportionality of the force used, even if it was even
if we could say, hey, if he shot him once
(31:18):
or twice, I guess, but he didn't shoot him once
or twice.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
This is what you call overkill.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
This is what you call h of. It's a word
not revenge. This is vigilante killing.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
This is a brother seeking revenge vigilante style, over months
and months and months, if not years and years and
years of physical and emotional abuse suffered at the hands
of his sister. And while we can emotionally understand the
desire to do that, this state's laws do not recognize
(31:58):
vigilante justice. And on that basis, you must find this
defendant guilty of second Now, it's not gonna be first
degree murder. I can tell you that right now.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I don't see it. I don't And what explained first
degree murder to and why it would it be that?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yes, so first degree murder requires the highest level of
intent Carlos and has no mitigators, So that would be
I'm coming here for no other reason than to cause
your death. The mere fact that the brother was responsive,
for all the facts that we're hearing right, was responsive
to a domestic dispute kind of takes that all the
(32:35):
way off the table.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Okay, Now there's second degree murder, which may be on
the table, which.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Says that there might have been some mitigators, but ultimately
you intended to cause the death of another. You had
that intention, and there was not enough to justify it. Okay,
so maybe you went to break it up, but at
some point that intention switched to no, I'm gonna kill you.
That would a second degree. And then we've got what,
(33:04):
just looking at this real quick with what we know,
I think is more appropriate, probably an imperfect self defense model,
which says there was probably some real self defense or
defense of others intentionality here, but you overdid it. You
overdid it, You did too much, It was out of proportion.
Or even if you believe you needed to shoot him
(33:27):
five times to get him off your sister, that wasn't reasonable.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
You might have really believed that, but.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
A reasonable person would not have acted in that way.
So thus that would be an imperfect self.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Defense makes sense, makes sense, and that is what Teahood's
family is pretty much suggesting that if there was self
defense at the shopper five times so ebony is active
in terms of the sort of like world.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It was the family saying that that could be the case.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
One thing I want to address to before I let
you go, Ebony is, according to TMZ, tee Hood had
a brush with death months before the fatal shooting. Tea
Hood was struck by gunfire just months before he was shot,
did in his home. TMZ obtained a police support in
(34:25):
Georgia that stays tee Hood showed up to a hospital
in late April with gunshot wounds. Now, this is from
the Calb County Police Department. The report says that the
police department in the calv County was called to a
(34:45):
shell gas station for a report of a shooting. Cops
say they encountered a woman with a gun shot injury
to her leg and approximately ten bullet hill hay sinks
in the parking lot and roadway. Police say about twenty
five minutes after the report of the shooting came in,
(35:08):
they were advised a man later identified as Tea Hood
showed up at a nearby hospital with guns shot wounds.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
This report is from April twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
A few days later, Tea Hood posted images on social
media of himself in the hospital. Did there are reports
that are alleging they're alleging that Tea Hood has had
passed past behavior allegedly abusing women. That's what people are alleging.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
And again, that's gonna come if this goes to trial,
as I expect it will, unless he takes a plea,
which they may.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
That's another story for We'll get to that in the
future episode.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
But like what a plea could look like, right, and
why a prosecutor's office might be incentivized to go that
route if it goes to trial. All that's coming in
Carlos I mean not not saying it's going to come
into evidence, but they will, meaning the defense will try
to bring that because that helps their argument that the
deceased he Hood is just a problem, that he is
(36:17):
just a problem. He is a threat to public safety,
he is a threat to the safety of others. Essentially,
it's a he had it coming defense, which we've seen before.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
He had it coming if.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
It wasn't going to be the defendant defending his sister
from a beating. It was gonna be somebody's husband, somebody's daddy,
somebody at some point was going to put this bad
actor down.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That becomes the defense.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
This is interesting as hell, Carlos, I gotta tell.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
You, these are I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
These are some interesting facts because this involves family, loyalty
and protection. This involves celebrity because te Hood is a
reper in his own right. Obviously the Frost are an entity,
you know, So this is that wealth and celebrity. This
is also the politics local politics. That's why I'm gonna
(37:12):
do some investigation between now in our next episode, the
distinctions of Gyne County Decalb County, you know, because all
of these things play apart. You know, I've in with
with my former practice. I've had clients I'm representing that
maybe they cat cases. My case is in Durham, but
they got another case in Orange County, they got something
in Wait County. So I got to get on the
(37:32):
phone and we gotta we got to manage all the
politics of that as a part of the defense strategy,
because I can't do my job effectively if I don't
know how all of these political elements are landing.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
This is deep, This is very deep.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It is it is. It is obviously our hearts go
out to Tee Hood's family who obviously you know, loss
of loss of brother, loss of son. Yeah, yeah, so
Ahar goes out to them and all her goles out
to healthy who you know was the victim. Allegend, I'll
(38:10):
just tell a leegend for the sake of it, do
message of you. So harges out to the Frost family,
to the family.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Harlow's put on social media that for her she still
lost the love of her life. Her words, not ours, That's.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
What she say that she is.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
And so it would be interesting if this does go
to trial, if she takes the stand, and if that
is beneficial to the brother's case, if it goes that way,
or she sounds like right now she would serve to
humanize Tea Hood. Actually, so this is all very fascinating.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yes, And in our next episode the rain drops, this
will be a sory similar to the Diddy trial that
Evan I did recently. Obviously, this has not gone to trial,
no charges having fouled, no arrested and made officially, But
what I will say is in our next episode. I
do want to, like Evan he said, break down the
(39:05):
politics regarding the counties, but I also.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Want to break down which was a great cliffhanger.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Kelthy writing a note stating that this was the love
of her life and what that means for this case?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Is it a case of Stockholm syndrome? Does that? Does
that hurt her brother's case if he is involved allegedly.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
So there's there's much more to dive into this, which
is why she and I will be making this a
series as we track down every case, every situation because
as of today, the autopic came out, and trust me,
by the time of the next recording, there's going to
be more information.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Yeah, this is this is just getting started. So this
is a perfect time rain Drops to clock in as
we cover this. You know, Gavel to Gavel as we.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Say yes, Emika, well, thank you so much, give baby
Liberty my.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Love and I'll see you in the next Love you darling,
see you soon, Bye rain Drops.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
With the Lack of Effect Network.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
You can also find us on my YouTube channel at
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