The Braxtons Beef | Season 2, Episode 5 Recap: Claudia, Dustin & Blue - Reality with The King

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ray drops.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Look, I am in the middle of a beautiful female sandwich.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Call me an oreo, I'm creamy.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's how it was starting.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
You didn't.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's more an orgy, maybe an orgy of the mines.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Maybe orgy of the mind is wild but still accurate.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Right or do the mind? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, that is well, you know that could be the case.
That could be the case.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
But listen, I am here with Claudia Jordans and we
have Blue Tolusa, Jordy.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
The Legend, the myths, the woman, the voice.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I'm up a rocket tour. People be getting mad at me.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
H girl, start of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Can't get away with nothing like You're in a good company.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yeah, that's what we do here, and we are ship starters,
but we tell the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
That part, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Like and yeah, people get mad. They can get mad
if they want to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, We're just here to have conversations. And today we're here,
y'all to talk about another episode of The Braxton So
before we get into all of the dealings, okay, of
what has been happening in this past week's episode, well night,
the past week tonight's episode, Okay, I first want to

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talk about things that were happening this week as it
relates to the Braxtons. So Blue and Claudia, as you
two know, last week's episode, the ladies aka the sisters
had a big argument about this cease and desist and
whether or not the sister sent it?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Who's sentims? A big who done it? Who's zooming? Who
Aretha Franklin? It was a mystery Claudia and Blue. The
mystery has been solved.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
So a lawyer went online and decided to clear the air. Okay,
so the lawyer said, he they listen. They referred to
him as the Braxton's family attorney, which means he is

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represented everybody, even the past or the present except Tamar.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
But he went online to say that.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
It wasn't the sisters who hired him to send the
cease in the sist.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
But it's in his exact words blew. He said that
it wasn't anybody vagina.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Wow, it wasn't anybody with the vagina, how much you
want to bet? He says female as well in conversation,
it was nobody with the vagina.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Okay, that's anything like that legal jargon?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Is that how lawyer's talk now?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I don't think it is. And that already tells me
what kind of paths of this is.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Do you think he's Is he from legal zoom?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's giving he wants the one thousand plus one thousand
that church, or he's gonna cuss you out like it's
it's very much that that bracket of professional and I
want to know who hired him.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Look at Carlos's face, he's already stressed out over us.
He's like, damnit, high minutes.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
In already one thousand plus one thousand. This is only
twelve hundred and thirty five.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I know I'm used to two aries, so Claudia's and Aris.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I'm a libra, what are you blue?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I'm an aries tourist, Cusp and I always warned people
because according to the others Georgy, I'm an aries, but
I don't claim them. So I'm a taurist. Why don't
they see me coming? If I claim, y'all have to
stay taurists so they can let me know.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
You clean it off. You try to go in there
like a trojan horse.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Huh yeahmatorius stable another.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Ari, So I listen. I love an aries.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
I love in aries.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Look clearly, it's.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Such a favorite. It's not a favorite sign.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
My favorite sign. I would have to say.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
All my life, I have always been connected to scorpios.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Oh the darkness, okay, I I thought I was gonna
say sad.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I thought you were gonna say Gemini. Because the neighbors
are geminised with the gossip together. They love the kiki.
A Gemini in the corner talking about you, I'm mourning
all of you. If you see a Libra and a
Gemini in the court, you are the topic.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
I must go hit you them. Gemini.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Do you catch them on a group text talking about you?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Man, maybe going in on you till you be like, damn,
I thought he's my friend.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Is that that happened to you before?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Claudia yeah, it was I thought. I was like, damn,
you said that about me.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I am so fastered by this.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, so you know, before I get into the recovery episode,
we have to dissect the zodiac sign of the sisters
because I need to understand the dynamic of what exactly
is going on with these girls.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But okay, so the lawyer.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Said that someone who doesn't have a vagina hire him
to send the cease and desist. Ashley Braxton, who is
the daughter of Michael Braxton, the sister's only brother. Ashley
said on TikTok that was her father. She actually sent
the cease and desist. Now, the word on the curb

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is this, Claudia Blue, and I would love to get
your thoughts on this. The word on the curb is
the fact that this lawyer allegedly is super close to
Tony and Trina and that perhaps in order to keep
their hands clean, allegedly they reached out to their brother

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to do it on behalf of the family.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Blue, what are your thoughts on that? Does that sound
like something that is believable on.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
A scale of one to ten? How authentic are we
going to be today?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Carlos, Claudia Jordan to Carlinos king it has to be
a tend.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
For the way I'm at all, I'm in the right place.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
The just that the only thing do with ponytails and eyelashes.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
The show is over. Okay. So my take on this
is through the lens of an EQ coach, and I'm
gonna say this. I was not surprised by what he
said because I feel like the way the mechanism that
is the Braxton works, they would have never mad done
it themselves. They would have always hid behind someone. So
them him saying it's somebody with a vagina, I think
he intended to say that from the beginning, which is

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why the brother was the one who was used. I
think they're all complicit. I think they're all complicit. And
I actually have a lot to say about Twanda Braxin
in particular because I'm just gonna start here. So you
guys can do a temperature check if you're ready or not.
You know how the mother has several children, right, because
I believe a fish sticks from the head. When a

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mother has several children, she knows what every child is
insecure about, and she tries to speak to it. Right.
So if Carlos. If you were the short son, she'd
be like, well, you're tall enough if you were a
good man, you know what I mean, Like, whatever it is.
Have you noticed that in every single scene where Everylyn's
talking to Twanda, the first thing she says is hey, beautiful, Hey,
pretty girl, Hey gorgeous, because she's trying to offset the

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obvious pain that Towanda has about how she's perceived in
the hierarchy of her sisters.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
And so there's a certain level of pandering the family
does to Twanda, And there's a certain level of manipulation
that Tauanta does on behalf of the family that I'm
ready to call BSR because Tamar is not perfect. And
you can be imperfect and be an imperfect victim. Tamar
is an unsympathetic imperfect victim. And I think the family
has a long documented history of being annoyed that she

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is the one who's always whistleblowing on things that they've
agreed to toxically keep them themselves. And the reason that
she's defending Ashley so much is because she's seeing it
happens Ashley.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
She's seeing it wow.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
And I think that's why. And for those who are like, well,
it's it's self serving. First of all, nobody does anything
that they don't get anything from being good at Being
strategic doesn't mean you're insincere. We're on a show right now,
the show is being produced. It doesn't mean we're gonna
lie right so production being involved doesn't make it insincere.
I think the reason why she was so passionate about
Ashley is because she was Ashley. So when you see

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her talking about herself, you're actually seeing her motivation to
have Ashley's back because she's watching it happens the next generation,
and a lot of people aren't clocking that she's being triggered.
She's been triggered by a real offense that is being
hidden behind a family dysfunction. That's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Claudia Jordan, I think you're my legal band.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Nah. You made some great points.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
I think the reason why it's easy to uh not
take Tamar's side for the audience a lot of times
in the family is because sometimes she can come off
as a bit much right, or she may aggravate you
or a certain thing she does because she's you know,
gregarious and louder and stuff, So it's easy to like

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not take that person's side, right, Well, she's always it,
so she's always that. But like you're saying, to your point,
I get it. You're saying, you can still have those
traits and still be to the truth. Yeah, And and
I think a lot of times, depending on the messenger
or what we already think about someone, that sometimes frames

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what we are willing to believe about. The more take
their sides, Like, we've probably both been victims of that, right,
because they.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
May not like you.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Everything you say to that is a lie or nope,
you're lying, you fool of shit. They don't want to
hear it, right, but if they like you, right, And
it's so frustrating when someone is light, they get believed
for things that may or may not be true.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
We've all seen that, yep.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, And when you're the one that's on the opposite
end of that, it's so frustrating because the more you
fight it and say no but she they're like, oh,
you're being a hater, you're jealous. Up there you go again.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
This should go again whole time. To Wanda, what happened
to the thirty five K baby? Like there was there
was a scene where they're arguing where Twanda kind of
stumbles through an admission that she took thirty five thousand
dollars from her sister that never got paid.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Back, that it was a gift exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
But what I'm saying is, think about that that was
a gift even when the phone right when she said, hey,
I didn't know me and to Wanna were on the
same phone plan, and I was paying for her phone
until I went to go switch providers and saw that
it was a family pan and I had been paying
for her and Tauanta's reaction isn't to say it's untrue.
It's to say, well, family takes care of family. You've
been caught stealing allegedly twice in this one conversation. But

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we're all talking about Tamar getting deregulated because Tamar is
emotionally deregulated. When you dirt to her, you're expecting the
direct the spectacle of her to be a smoke screen
for you to hide your dirty deeds.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
So where do we think all of this cons fronts?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Because you know, I want to get into one more
social media thing and then we'll get into the episode
that bled into what happened last week.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
So when we talk about being gas lit.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
The audience saw recently Claudia and Blue that Trina Braxton
commented on kay Michelle's social media posts and the bread
and the you know listen, the Tamar.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Fans and maybe even non fans decided to really talk
about it.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
So I want to make sure that I get things
accurate when I read you guys, uh this tweet? Okay,
So I mean the common brother. So Key Michelle is
posting her music. Trina Braxon goes, you know, I love
country music. Kay Michelle goes, come see me, Trina d
m me. I'll set it up. The album is great.

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The reason why a lot of people had a big
reaction to this is because unless you be living on
the diplomouth rock, it is well known that Kay Michelle
and Tamar have had a very strenuous public beef right
is and and a lot of things have occurred recently.
When it came to these two going back and forth

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by commenting on cay Michelle's post, the fans saw that
as Trina being passive aggressive, and that was a disc
towards her sister Tae Mar Claudia, you haven't famous since
I was a little gay boy watching teen Summit. Okay,

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you to say and look and look and looks the
same recipez of Nonda Lewis.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
You've been famous for more than three decades.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
You're also on social media, and the reason why I
want to bring up your celebrity is because I feel
like you especially know sort of like the dudes and
don't on social media, and how when you're on social
media you kind of know what you're doing when you
do certain things. Do you think Trina, commenting on cay
Michelle's post, was a passive aggressive disc to her sister Tamar.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
I'm in such a good place with all of them,
finally know, but yes I do.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
It's it's it's no secret the history.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I remember.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
I was in New York one time and I saw
came Michelle out at the height of the me and
Tamar when we weren't getting along, and came Michelle gave
me air full and I it was very clear where
she felt like they are not cool, right of course,
of course, of course, of course, of course.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
I mean you know that like.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
If I if someone that you know, one of my friends,
and I fell out with them and they go on
social media and they're like kind of like playing nice
or flirting with, or inviting or hollering at or liking
my arch enemy.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Of course I know what that is. Like, that's a
no brainer. Yes, yes it is.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
And I don't want to rush and just be like,
just demonize all the sisters. This is outside of Tamar,
this is long standing. I'm sure they both have valid arguments.
I'm sure if we sat down with tamarw she could
say this one did this to me, and this one
did that to me, and then this one did this
to me.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
These are sisters, they have a long history, and I
bet you we sat down with.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
All of them to want all of them could have,
depending on who you get it from, will have legitimate,
in their eyes reasons for why they don't fool with
that sets or why they're angry at why they're hurt.
I don't know what came first, the chicken, all the egg,
is what I'm saying. And it's so easy to just
like take a side, which is so hard because we
are not in that family.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
But we do know that there was definitely beef.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
There is a lot of passive aggressiveness going on, and yeah,
of course, yeah, it was definitely uh a dig at Tamar.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
In my opinion, I think sin is being embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Her biggest sin.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, there's a I did some research. There is an
old episode of My Life or something where it's Tony
and Tamar and Carlo Shirley. But you know how Libris
care about beautiful optics?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh yeah, okay and just so okay, because because Tony
Braxett is a Libra, go Ahead Blue, they.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Had a whole album named that, there and everything, And
so they asked Tony, seriously, what is your gripe with Tamar?
What is your issue? What is your core wound with Tamar?
And Tony admitted she said, I find her personality embarrassing.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
And so when you're in a family that is a
slave to optics and you are the embarrassing sister, whether
you're being embarrassing for being emotionally regulated and acting like
a braddy baby, or you're being embarrassed for telling secrets
that we've all call conspired to keep to ourselves, you're
the only one who's not falling in line step. And
I think, yes, they all have different reasons for being

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upset individually granularly, but I think Tamar's biggest sin, while
she's always on the apps of the family. It's because
she wants to be independent, she wants to break away
from the fray, and they all fall in line step
with each other, even when they dishonor each other, they
fall into line step. But she's like, no, my therapist
told me that's toxic. Why can't we talk about it?
It's bad, Like I'm on lexipro, Like why are you

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opportunicas Okay, it's not okay, And objectively speaking, when you
are diferring from a toxic pact, you actually are trying
to be healthy and being penalized for it, and you
don't have the skills to be emotionally regulated, so you
share it to the audience in a way that's easy
to demonize.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
I'm sorry, Blue, what advice did you give Tamar? If
she's watching right now, to deal number.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
One, She's gonna have to acknowledge her impact right Because
a lot of my clients when they come to me
and they are the Tamar of the family. I have
so many clients who are the Tamar. I have clients
who are the Tony, and I have clients for the Twanda,
And so I spend hours listening to these archetypes like
Vet about each other. And the one thing I always
tell the unsympathetic victim is that even though you have

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been misunderstood, even though people are hiding behind your persona
so that they can hide their hand, you still had
an adverse impact on other people. That until you allow
yourself to acknowledge, they have no incentive to acknowledge your pain.
And what Tamar sucks at that I think we can
all agree at. She sometimes fails to acknowledge her impac

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She's very hyper focused on the impact that everybody has
on her. It's very rare that if ever that we've
heard her say, even if I don't agree about how
we got here, I can see that that was hurtful.
And I think they're frustrated that she's incorrigible in that
her being incorrigible means that she's the one who's the
most likely to break the generational curse. It also means
that she's sucks a thick an accountability.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
What would you give advice? What advice would you give to Towanda?
I know you have something to saved by her, but what.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm just saying, you know how, it's fascinating. I'm with
Claudia I'm I okay. So first of all, I want
to make sure that the audience who may not be
familiar with you Blue, understand your background. Becase when you
say clients, can you briefly explain to them the work
you do where you have clients of this magnitude.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
So I'm a spiritualist and I'm also an emotional intelligence coach,
which means I teach self mastery classes and for those
who level where's you learn that from the Harvard School
of Public Health? And I helped back in two thousand
and three because of the moisturizes, back into zeousand than three,
I helped the Harvard School of Public Health create an
emotional intelligence curriculum for young people. And I recognize, Oh,
I have people in my family who act like this.

(19:09):
You mean K through twelve. I know sixty year olds
who act like this. So I took what I learned
from working at Harvard as an academic and I turned
it into a program for adults. And I serve about
five hundred clients a year.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
And how are people able to get in contact with you?

Speaker 7 (19:25):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Blue Centric shop dot com. That's where you can see
my manifestation candles book one on one with me, take
my class. I currently have a class that's going to
be going on in January. It's already almost sold out
seventy five percent return rate. And I'm not just saying
this to flex. I'm saying I've had people who remind
me of the Braxtins come to my class, find out
that they're part of the problem, be like, ohit, I
thought I was just a victim, and then come back

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with their mothers and their sisters afterwards. I've watched whole
families who act like this heal, So it's not like
it's impossible for them to heal. But no one's gonna
heal unless they first acknowledge their impact.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Do you think in this family dynamic there's one victim
meaning Tamar or do you think there's multiple victims?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
And I think it's all been victimized by the system,
But I think there's one target rather than victim. Yeah,
they're all victim having victimized by a very nasty dynamic
that was set by the mother and the father. Right,
So the mother and the father are actually the true
unintentional villains here because there were certain things that they

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could have done that they didn't do. So the girls
are just making it up as they go. But because
people get funny when we talk about their parents didn't
arm them or equip them. They've all been victimized by
this toxic system. But Tamar is the target.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
So before we get more in, I gotta bring on
the other man of the hour, y'all, fellow aries, give
it up, y'all for Dustin See.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I love you.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
What's up? I love you too? Baby?

Speaker 8 (21:03):
Y'all know me in Blue? First of all, Hello Quaudia,
Hello Carlos. It's going to do much like the spirit
of resolution for the Braxtons. I was running late. So, hey, you.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Have a friend.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
No, I have rough allergies.

Speaker 8 (21:22):
Actually, I wish I had a story for you about
me gallivanting around New York City and having trysts and
telling secrets that I can't talk about here.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
And I want to hear a galli.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
I want to hear some gallivantation.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
You want to hear the gallivante. You want to read
out the book of Gallivantations. Okay, that's what you want
to do. Okay, Blue I love you. How you doing
I'm doing so well.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
And here's the thing to Dustin. Every time somebody would
talk about Dustin. Before I met Dustin, I'd been like,
what is he like? And they'd be like, that's a man, and.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Whenever, that's my girl. Man.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
But you said that.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Now, I'm glad Blue gets to join us as we
spend time recaping the braxt and so Dustin, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Catch you up on things.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
We are diving into the personality traits before we even
go into tonight's episode that aired. So Claudia asked a
very important question.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And Blue was cooking.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Blue you you mentioned that all of the sisters are
victims and that the unintentional villains are the mother are
the parents last week's episode. What I did say to
Claudia Dustin, because look, I have nine siblings, so it's
ten of us and Blue you're ready for this. I'm

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the middle child. I'm a Libra, I'm number five of ten.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Okay, because kardash and we'll continue.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I'm Kim Kardashian. Yeah, you're the Kim.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Kardashian from what you're explaining.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
And you're the rich one too.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Hell yeah, no worry a.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
My Kim Kardashian the family.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, you are, you are.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Family.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
He likes what you pretty.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I want you, I want I want her to explain
it before.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I move on.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Okay, Kim, You're You're shiny from the middle. You're the
one who was able to break away from the fray
while still being family minded, and you're the shining one
who brings blessing to the rest of the family.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
There she goes, spinning facts like she always do.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Do you have a sex Hey, Carlos, I know, h
now listen, listen because because I about the guy got
real quick.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I always knew I was gonna be from the camera
and everything I did in my life, I said no
because I don't want that to back to Hally now
that I'm perfect. But like, that was what thing Claudia
that even like if me and my ex African would
do something, we would watch it and I would immediately
delete it and I would delete the deleted folder and I.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Would burn the Okay, well that's fact, but enough about me.
Last week's episode, Claudia so funny.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Last week's episode, I did share with Dusty Claudia that
again middle child often kids. The mother told Tony Braxton.
Who's the oldest and she's a libra. Tony Braxton's the
oldest of six kids, five boys.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Three girls.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
They were in a girl group that was formed by
the mother. She raised them to be the female version
of the Jackson Five.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Five sisters. Okay La Reid saw the sisters.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
And handpicked Tony Braxton and said, I only want you.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
The other four were for all thetis and purposes rejected.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Tony has said out of her own mouth in plenty
of interviews that anytime she achieved something as a solo star,
her mother would say, that's fine, but don't forget about
your sisters. She also said her biggest regret is doing
the Braxton's family values because of the drama that came
about with that being said, what are your thoughts on

(25:25):
knowing that information? As you say that the sisters are
just trying to figure things out because were they based
on that? Did their mother not do the greatest job?
But when it came to making sure the sisters all

(25:46):
support each other. Despite Tony being selected as a solo star, I.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Made a list. I didn't make a list of the
archetypes that the sisters are present. Wow, it's very quick right,
Tony is the superstar eldest daughter. Anybody who knows what
an eldest daughter is means that you've been adultified, right,
Like the adultification of young black girls is a very
very spoken on topic, which means you're robbed of something

(26:12):
in order to make that those that come after you
are okay, yep, And so there's a certain level of
exhaustion that comes with that, inherently regardless of your character.
Number two, we have funny enough Tamar. Tamar is the
unsympathetic victim. She's the extreme opposite. She's the baby who
recognized I'm the last of these six children. I have

(26:33):
to do what I need to do to get attention.
And so in her mind, unless I do something, no
one's paying me any mind. And they have fed into
that because they only include her when she's in trouble,
and so subconsciously you think, if I'm making a raw row,
they're gonna pay attention to me. Right. If you watch
old videos of the Braxes when they were all including Tony,
Tony would be dancing. The only person dancing as hard
as Tony would be Tamar, the eldest and the youngest.

(26:56):
We already see what that's happening. And here's the thing
too about and I wonder if she's been fully diagnosed
as a high functioning autistic woman. When people lie, my
brain starts to scream. They're lying, they're lying, they're lying.
My therapist had to work through emotional regulation. And so
I often say that Tamar is the most annoying and
the most honest, because the little girl in her who
wants attention also is screaming like Paul Revere. But there's

(27:19):
a fire over there. There's a fire over there, and
they're like, Tamar, shut up. We're at church. We're not
gonna talk about that now. So the eldest have been
taught to hush and keep it cute. But she's getting
attention by screaming out the thing that is happening in
an inconvenient moment so she can get attention. Then we
have Trina, who I call the complicit sidekick m Her
thing is that she knows and if she plays the

(27:41):
middle in the way that Kim and Carlos didn't, if
she plays the middle by being everybody's sidekick, right, everybody's
yes man, who she's like vodka, anybody who's around her,
she takes on their flavor, laving her own. But whatever
you got elevated Trina and vodka for acting right. She's

(28:02):
a complicit sidekicks. I watch the show too, Claudia boots
and then, oh god, this is gonna hurt my heart.
I'm not gonna speak on the dead, so I'm gonna
skip over to Twanda. And this is where things get trigated.
This think where things get real treaty. Twanda thought that
she was going to be the one who I couldn't
be the prettiest, I couldn't be the shiniest, I couldn't

(28:25):
be the most talented, but I can be the reliable
one to be the one that because I'm always of service,
I have been transactionally showing my value. So when the
optics for the public say that I'm not the superstar,
my family feels codependent on me. She is will be
called a stoic manipulator because the first thing she says

(28:46):
when you displease her is not too much. I know
where the body are buried. That she says that way
too quickly.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
She gets the fat.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
She'll help you, but weaponize that help when you inconvenience
her kind of me either, because the thing is Tawanda
Broxton has never done anything for anybody that we haven't
heard about repeatedly. Never. Trina even said in the last episode, well,
Taunta's always been upset that you know, she's always there
for everybody, but no, why's there for her? That's a

(29:14):
cute story. It's a story. And what makes me sad
is Tajuanta thought that she was going to be second.
Nobody banked on Tamar being the breakout star in the
longest running black led reality show in history. Nobody banked
on the outlier being second to the superstar. And there's
an inherent did I say this not resentment, but it's

(29:38):
starting to turn into hatred. There's an underlying resentment that
the sisters have that has grown heaviest in Tuanda because
Towanda keeps trying to shame Tamar and the one thing
we can all agree on is Tamar box and the shameless.
Usually I can use shame to shut people up, but
this one can't be shamed. I'll let you put the

(29:58):
money or down payment of my house. Else I'll have
my family on your family plan, on your phone and not.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
Pay you back for six years.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Don't you dare get out of line hole because you're
the annoying one that nobody likes and I'm the one
that everybody needs.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta pro.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
I'm on. I'm onto you.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Yeah, she broke all that down. We on you, Twanda,
and who in the hell is scratchy? I'm still on that,
you know what I'm say. I've been thinking since last week.
Damn it, I got thoughts. You know what I'm saying.
I'm sired of all of that, Towanda. Let me just
say this, since we're talking about who they are and
how they're showing up in his sisterhood, right.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Towanda, literally I'm blue.

Speaker 8 (30:49):
You don't even know the dimes you just dropped, right, because,
just as you describe the way you described Tony superstared,
Tamar's popularity as well as natural inclination to be busy
because she's always seeking attention, right, it's two other sisters
currently that sit in the middle, and that's Trina and
Twuanda that haven't done as much to garner the attention, right,

(31:13):
And I think that that the couple with ego and
you know a couple other things that are natural but
maybe not the most healthy have contributed to the way
that they look at each other, Twanda. They all have
an opportunity, though, to showcase the most robust parts of
their lives on this television show. Right, we watch Twanda

(31:33):
go through, I mean, step by step, moment by moment,
every thought, feeling concerned, napping, invitation, centerpiece. We watched every
detail of this wedding planning, right, but we breeze through
what a two minute scene about her working as an
actor and as a producer and a director on a film.

(31:54):
You know what I'm saying. We skip. We really that
was one scene. But we're on episode four and we
still play in this wedding. She's still singing when she
talks about the wedding, the wedding, everything that she talks
about with the wedding, she sings. That's the most singing
she hadn't done since there was the Braxtons, you.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (32:15):
And I've just been thinking about that and thinking about that,
because I definitely believe that it heavily contributes to what
we witnessed at that dinner table during that scene. Then
willing to go solo, all the willingness to expose this
and expose that you trying to literally move Tamar down
a peg and not in the way that she needs

(32:37):
to be right, because she definitely does.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, you said I don't. God has helped me. You said,
I don't argue with sick people. Yeah, objectively speaking, you're
the broke bald one. So like I need everybody to
pan out, because.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
Ma'am, it is what it is with them shoes on too.
Did y'all see them them Bobby Socks and Mary James
that Tawanda had on when it was going on a yacht.
She just be doing anything and I think that.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Dookie Brown and purple Dookie Doo Dooo, Doodoo Brown, go go,
that's what it is. Sut up.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Not to stop, y'all because I want you to finish.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I want to go record saying that Claudia Jordan is
still playing the role of Carlos King for the first time.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
She is trying not to laugh. She is Clauda.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Y'all got me in a weird position right now.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm just saying, y'all got me.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
I'm trying I'm Carlos right now. Let's have a.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Shame the devil tell THEO.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I have done that. I have done, Claudia bite her tug.
Claia doesn't feel good? Does it do?

Speaker 6 (33:58):
To be?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Like?

Speaker 6 (34:00):
I don't have.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
I don't have such a negative take on Towanda.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
I don't. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
And I'm going to hear maybe because I'm new to
the party, but I just don't like. And I was
at the wedding. It didn't look like shit, it looked good.
So I'm just like, I'm not jumping in on that
and just just to go along because I don't feel
that way and the whole point of being Yeah, and
I'm not that deep in like I'm new to the show.
I need watching, So I don't know the deep, long

(34:30):
the roots of a lot of this stuff. I'm just
coming in this season like I'm fresh. I'm just going
by what I see in real life and who's been
night like, who I've had issues with or who've been
cool with. Yeah, so I'm trying to like be Braxton.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Has, by by the way, agrees with me. The late
great Tracy Braxton has been on the record saying what
I'm saying right now. So let's let's just say as
a matter of because I'm good at not getting sued
legally speaking, There is a scene of Tracy Braxton literally
years ago before she passed away, saying, Twanda, you act
like you're helping everybody, but you'd be the one who
be thrown rocks and hide in your like. Tracy literally

(35:03):
called her out on this. I made sure when I
had this theory that I traced it through facts, because
I did watch the first ten seasons and then to
blast her off. So I've been a longtime fan for
over a decade, and I've been watching and watching and watching.
And we all know that person who helps you just
so they can keep you in line. We all know
that girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're supposed to be likable.
What's the first thing I said when Ruby what's her face?

(35:25):
His mother was found for Stockholm? You remember remember Ruby Rose,
and she her mother passed away because we found out
that her mother was abusing her to help her. To
be applauded for helping her. Right the first time people
said this, you would have never thought she was so loving,
she was so caring. You would have never thought stoic
manipulators are supposed to be hard to believe when they
are called out, because the helpfulness is louder than the manipulation.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Well, I hope to get to know these like this,
like the psychology of it all throughout this season, you know,
like I'm coming I'm the newbie, like I'm coming in
this like okay, I'm learning this like week by week.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Okay, I am going by you know.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
I just would hear stuff about them or little limited
reactions or actions. I'd have interactions with them when I
be out, so I'm seeing all the stuff like through
kind of fresh eyes, like damn, okay, all.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Right, no, Which is why your your pob Claudia is
important because listen, all four of us have our very
different opinions and views of the show.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
The three of us have been watching us since season one.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Claudia has been in the industry, like I said, for
a very long time, so she has interaction with these people.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Claudia, before I listen, I.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Want to hear a lot about Blues opinion about Tony
Braxton not going to Twanda's bridal shower and her reaction
to that, and then in this night's episode, her reaction
when Tony said it's Tamar invited. So before we get

(36:52):
into that, Claudia, you and Tamar did College Hill together,
celebrity college here.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I'm sorry College Hill. Well last year, it aired last year.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
But y'all taped it in twenty twenty three, right, yeah,
but it aired last year.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Though, No, we filmed it in like I think February
and air the same year.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, So last year you were in the same house
with Tamar Braxton.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
You spent a month with her.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
What can you share with us just about like your
time being spent because Blue obviously is really doing a
deep dive base on the historical nature of their sisterhood
from birth until now. You're the only one that I
know personally that has had that long of a time
with her in the house word show. What are your

(37:46):
thoughts on this and what people are saying about Tamar?
You know whether or not you know she is to
blame for something like this.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
So before we did College Show, like listen, it's no
secret there were years that Tamor and I did not
fuck with each other.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Okay, it was like it goes way back.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
We did a show called Tiny Tonight and things went
left on that show and I actually left the set
in tears.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Like I'm like, I can't fucking do the show.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
Like it was like that It was really really bad,
and it was like carried out over to social media
and it was years and years and years, and I
was like, damn, I don't even have a history with
this lady, you know what I mean? Like it was crazy,
and thank God foxhol we end up having her come
on and then we squashed it as much as we
could on camera, so it was already the blow was
already softened by the time I got in the house,
So it wasn't I wasn't worried about it when I

(38:34):
got there. It was actually we had a good interaction.
We actually had great conversations on the show. From what
I can see about her, she definitely is the youngest, right,
like you know how like the baby of the family.
Like they definitely want attention, they definitely want to win everything,
and when they don't win, I do feel like she

(38:54):
gets upset about things, you know. But I think if
you recognize that and someone you can like work with
them or deal with them or understand them more than
just writing somebody off like where they come from, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Like I think it's when you.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Have that many sisters, I would imagine I'm the oldest,
I'm the oldest, so I'm like, I was the adult
right away, right when you're when you're in that position,
I see how it's like it's like what about me?
What about what I think? And I want to be heard?
And I definitely saw that with her, But when like
there wasn't an audience around and it was like one
on one, so sweet, so cool, so like I love.

(39:29):
I had really enjoyed my time with her, and I
got to see a different side that I would have
never known had I didn't have a how I didn't
have the had I not had that experience. So me before,
I'm going by what I see on the real, what
I see on social media, what I see in clips
where you're like, oh, that's a lot, right, and it's
easy to jump on that. That's a lot bandwagon, And
I think we all can probably say that, like I know,

(39:51):
you know, people that don't know me probably have really
negative things to say about me. But then one on
one is so much different. It's so much different when
I want it's so much different when the noise of
everybody else's.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Opinions are not in the room.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
And I'm glad I had to have that, you know,
because I got to see things a little differently. But
I can see how it's easy to go against her
or to believe the worst from some of the surface antics. Right,
the loudness, the this, the that, those aren't really character things.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
That's the personality, I guess right, it's not really.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Like So I can see how it'd be easy to
be demonized for those things.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, and what I'll say too is, listen, I I've
had you know, I'm friends with Tamar. That's that's that's
publicly known, and she's been on my podcast. I did
an interview with Towanda, who I love and enjoy that's
now going viral again because a lot of people are
right blue TikTok, they are clipping my Towanda interview.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
So I love the family.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I don't know Tony Braxton and I am meaning personally,
and I don't know Trina personally at all all. But
what I will say about the two of them, but
I will say about Timar is this. Obviously, I'm somebody
that loves big personalities.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
I just.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Carlos No.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So listen, it's no secret that I am friends with
Tamar and I I'm in love with her. I love her,
I love her. I haven't had a bad experience with her. Ever,
me and her had disagreements, as friends do. But one
thing I will say about her that I agree with
Claudia that doesn't get shown a lot. And it's funny

(41:42):
because she made this joke once because she tweeted something
this is like last year and it went viral and
she called me and she said, you saw what happened?
I said, yes, why did you post that?

Speaker 6 (41:54):
She said?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
And she deleted it. She said, Carlos, I forget that.
I'm fathoits. Sometimes I'm like, you're hilarious.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
So what I will say is she is conscious when
things do go left, and she is somebody who in
my opinion based on my conversations with her personally, she
is somebody and I've seen it happen. And I spoke
to her honestly like the other day and we had

(42:21):
a conversation, and what I said to her was, I
really do feel the growth that you are exemplifying, and
I can't wait for the world to continue seeing that. Listen,
You're only as good as your last episode as a
reality star. And I do think when it comes to

(42:41):
this show, she now is going through the PTSD of
what she had to experience when it was filming and
deal with the aftermath of it. And I think with
Towanda's this my interview with Towanda, and I've had conversation
with Towanda two not recently, and Tomanda, to me is

(43:05):
somebody who I do think what Blue is saying did
rely a lot on being the reliable one, and whether
or not she used that as manipulation, you know, I think,
you know, obviously the family can talk about that, but
I do think when you come from a big family,
you do subconsciously take on these archetypes. You really do,

(43:27):
you really do, and it is a lot of times
how you identify yourself and what you are rewarded for
your characteristics as a youth. And that's why for me,
I wanted to bring up because this to me, and
I wonder if the three you called in this episode,

(43:48):
this to me was the most fascinating a part of
the episode because to me, it did talk about all
the things that Blue is breaking down. When Tomanda learned
that Tamar wasn't coming to Mexico, she obviously wasn't happy
and she felt like nobody's here from me.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Tony didn't come either.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
She dident'ifyed Tony to the Bridgeton party and Tony did
not come there either. And what's funny is there's a
viral clip that's on line, uh party.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
City, Risidon Seana ryans hat got nothing do with that that.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
It ain't even that blue.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
There's a there's a tweet going around friend where somebody
clipped that scene where Towanda was on the phone with
Tony and she was letting her know she wasn't coming
to the to the bridal show when they were at
the bridle shop looking at the dresses.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
Somebody clipped it.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
I wish I had the tweet save as I would
credit the person, but they clipped it and rolled.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (44:47):
All the Twanda friends looked so sad, like she had
promised him they was gonna get to meet Tony.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
And that was.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Literally on my notes Dustin, literally that was yes.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Let's talk about it, but okay, let's talk about that.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
But the reason why I say all of this was
fascinating is because Tony not coming. I didn't feel the
reaction match Tamar and that's only there for Tony.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
According to Tauanta's friends, like the wedding is over apparently.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So Breaka down blue for me at Claudia and dust
a child because.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I will say this, I do not have any ire
against Twanta Braxton. I'm counter balancing her pr to make
it because Tamar is not the devil in Twanta is
not an angel. That's what I was.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
I just want to put that hand being ray because
I want to make a note.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
Right number one, we're talking about Braxton's right, this is
some family ship, right, and so it go is It's
so difficult almost to offer commentary on it because it's
such a personal matter, right, anything that goes on with
them's family shit.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
Another thing that I want to know.

Speaker 8 (45:54):
Because I see we just had a discourse, and not
a discourse, we just talked about who they are in
their personality.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
Thes Ryan.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
Claudia recalled your experience working with Tamarrow on College Hill. Carlos,
you recalled your friendship with tamaraw how she showed up
to you. Because Tamar Braxton has been in numerous conflicts
confrontations that have been public, right, people have people have

(46:20):
painted a picture of who she is based on that,
and they don't really judge her based.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
On the circumstance anymore.

Speaker 8 (46:29):
Right, Because there's been so many occurrences people now feel
like she's a messy person. She's dedicated to drama and
mess so anytime you hear a story involving her, you
can count on her to play that role. That's really
not fair to her, right, because things are different each circumstance,
each situation is totally different one to the next, and
people should be given a fair shot, right, So I

(46:51):
do think we should give her grace for that. I
also want to make the note that this is not
a show where we are deciding which Braxton we like
and which one we don't. Right, we don't have that
responsibility in this conversation to determine whether or not Tamar
is good or bad, you know what I'm saying. We're
talking about what happened on this damn show, and because

(47:11):
it's family shit, the historical context matters. It's relevant, right,
because there's a timeline that has brought.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
Them to these determinations.

Speaker 8 (47:20):
But us in the commentatory space, I don't feel that
we have to carry the load of deciding who's good
or bad amongst them or whatever. We're just talking about.
We calling it like we see it, based on what
was on the show. A lot of people will take
because we're talking about Tamar and we're talking about Twanda,
just like if we were talking about the rap girls.

(47:40):
You know what I'm saying, people would take whatever we
say and clip it, make it, you know, form it,
shape shifted to fit whatever narrative. I just want to
be clear that this is not a conversation, nor was
last week or any other week we talk about this shit.
It was not our you know, time or choice to
bash any of them. We have opinions based on what
we saw on the show, and that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
It will one hundred percent be perceived that way as
it is tam our side and I'm not, and it's
gonna be like it and it's not.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
We shouldn't have to say.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
On College Hill and tell calls me talking.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Just remind me of something I was impressed when I
was doing College Hill with Tamar that things I thought
that would.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Set her off.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
It's almost like she has done some work right, and
I could tell where I would be like bracing myself, like, oh,
she about to go to funk off.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
And she didn't.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
And she would tell us repeatedly, I'm trying to work
on myself. I'm trying to do better, and I have
to give credit for that because being aware of it.
First of all, nobody ever wants to admit that they
even have anything wrong with them, especially on TV when
you got a bunch of fans kissing your ass all
the time, and then to say it on camera as well.
She did say it, and I did see her almost
like you know, when you're like trying to all right

(48:54):
one to like doing a countdown in your head to
kind of calm yourself down. And she did do that,
and I appreciated that because I braced myself for the
you know, the version that I dealt with before, and
she wasn't like that. I will say she was definitely
actively working on herself on the process in the month
we there, because there were things that she dealt with

(49:17):
that I wouldn't ever want to deal with, Like she she.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Had a roommate her in Santana.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Santana light the room really really cold, Tama want the
room really really hot, and she dealt with that for
like thirty days when that would make anyone kind of snap.
And I saw her patience and I saw her I
saw some evolution there, and I do think a lot
of times, we don't like to give.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
People on television grace for evolution.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Once we decide who they are, damn it, that's who
they are for the entirety of their career.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Nope, because back in two.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Thousand and nine you said this, so you are forever
that and we don't do that. But we expect that
for ourselves, right, and realize we expect people to like
allow us to grow up or to so I want
to point that out, like I want to some positivity
to that as well.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
And I was impressed with that.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I will say this. I mentioned it to you and
Carlos before we started that a friend, a mutual of Tamar's,
and I was trying to develop a show with us
and a third party, and I said, hey, has Tamar
seen me? Does she know how I talk?

Speaker 6 (50:18):
Like?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Is she aware of what you're doing? And then he said, no,
she loves that You're so sincere. And I had just
been an episode where I had humanized someone that the
audience was beating up on. Right, So as a person,
the fact that she knows that I am blunt, but
trusted that because I was humanizing people, that we could
work together. That was when I was like, it's tam
I working on herself, because nobody who's not working on

(50:39):
themselves would be able to even strugg me rights. I
have to give you some flowers, Dustin. Did y'all see
what Dustin just did. We were having a critical analysis
about the behavior of the Braxtons, and something in him
internally said, let's also make sure that we are under

(51:00):
scoring the compassion. The fact that we have yet to
see that happen amongst her sisters the entire season. Is
my point, something that is natural to complete strangers on
a commentary show is still not happening with your own family.
So we can't talk about the family business, but we
can talk about what happens when the family fails you continuously.

Speaker 8 (51:20):
Yeah, yeah, and that's all it is.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Man.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
I actually was surprised at some of the reactions and
some of the conversations I saw surrounding this, because people
immediately were kind of like, they're not listening to Tamar
in this situation as having a conversation.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
People knew that and like her hater, Like I said,
I just try.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
To keep it on the show shit, because I have
my opinions on her and different choices and behaviors that
she's exhibited and shit, she's done.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (51:51):
But it's not personal for me, and so I just
wanted to offer that note, that's all, and thank you
for clocking that boot like you always do, my girl,
you know what I'm saying. But that's a real thing, man.
At the end of the day, it's a black family
were talking about. I don't think any of them are
without fault, you know what I'm saying. Everybody contributed to,
including Tony. You know, she might be the shortest one.

(52:13):
She got something to say too, So everybody has contributed to,
you know what I'm saying, the state of affairs, and
now that being said, we are going to talk about it,
and we are going to identify what we, you know,
feel based on what we saw. And although I think
that Tamar has not been given the floor in the
capacity that she needed, you know what I'm saying, when

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it comes to her sisters and what they need to
talk about, Tamar also bears a lot of responsibility in
this because she willingly allows things to just go completely
off the rails. And there's never been a conversation more
important out of all of the conflicts that we've been
privy to her having publicly, there's never been one that
was more deserving of patience, more deserving of taking a

(52:56):
beat before you respond and really thinking about what's going
on in this one with her and our sisters, and
I wish that we would have saw Tamar like do
that for one time.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
I wish we would have seen it.

Speaker 8 (53:07):
Although yeah, we have seen progress, I guess, and yes
she has been different than she was previously, but these
are fucking sisters, you know what I'm saying, And based
on what they were talking about, I just would have
liked to see her handle it differently because she was right.
That's why she had a bag full of you know
what I'm saying. She had a hot bag at that table,
She had ceasing desists in their phone bills and shit,

(53:30):
you know what I'm saying, all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
She was scared.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
That's one thing I will say is when people are triggered,
we have to take logic off the table, because being
triggered is an illogical mindset. When you're triggered, you're not
being logical, You're time traveling to the past to something
that hurts you. And justin I'm not sure if you
were here when I said it earlier about how the
thing about Ashley was twofold. Nobody does things for one reason.
It's a document nature, right. We are all people who

(53:55):
are used to the industry. We can produce content about
something we sincerely care about while still thinking like producers,
and us being producers doesn't make us insincere. Some people
act like just because Tamar knows how to produce that
she can't also simultaneously be sincere, which is doesn't make sense.
I think that Ashley triggers her because watching Ashley be

(54:15):
silenced and then and then cast away by the family
reminds her of what she believes happened to her. Something
happened to Ashley, and at a moment allegedly where Ashley
should have expected the family to wrap their arms around her,
they instead shamed her and pushed her away. And so
when Tamar says Ashley, Tamar is thinking about baby Tamar,
and that's why she almost doesn't interchangeably. The argument at

(54:37):
the table was about Ashley, but Tamar was like, you're
doing it again. The thing you did to me, you're
doing it to my niece. Now you're doing it again.
So yes, I want to get clicks producing it on
my show. But also what do we always say, be
the person who you didn't have when you were growing up,
and when that's what I want to.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
But one thing that run me the wrong way, and Cam,
I don't get man hit it was it became about
y'all trying to ruin my business, and fuck that it
should not no say what it is like say it's
about Ashley, not about the business, because then it took
a little bit of steam out of that, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Like I felt like that they're not there. But the
thing what I'm saying is they're not separate there to
her in the brain. They don't get separated like that.
That's logic. Again. The way it happens when you have
trauma is that what y'all did to Ashley is what
y'all did to me. And y'all resent that I was
the breakout star and y'all trying to fuck up my
business and this is another way that you're trying to
fuck up my business. It's not separate like that. We

(55:36):
keep on wanting the human experience to be compartmentalized. That's
not how the human brain works. When something triggers you,
it's like tangled chords in the back of a TV set,
not you and Ashley and me being the breakout star
and you guys resenting me and to one of throwing
rocks and taking money from me and hiding her hand,
and it all becomes one big ball that's happened to
all of us be out in the moment, and then

(55:56):
later be like, I know I was mad about this,
but now that I'm recognizing.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
I was mad about everything gets gets brought up. Is
that the reason why? Is that the reason why for me?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Because going back to Towanda, because I do want to
be able to have all of us have a healthy
discussion because Towanda is getting dragged on social media. And
you know how I feel about reality stars. I think,
like Dustin said, keep it to the show, a lot
of y'all doing the most with it, and I don't
think it's fair to her, Like if you want to talk.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
About what she did on the show, fine cook.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
But I think when you, I think, when people are
doing extreme bullying, I don't like to see it.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
But I also, oh girl, they they.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Are dragging her. It's actulutely yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Why I like, it's really bad and I don't want
to want.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
To I can look everything too far.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
So what I want to do is this because I
agree when you talk about the hierarchy and the reason
why I want to go back to the way Tony
is positioned in this family of sisters. So look when
you say, you know, jokingly, I'm the kim kid my family.
What I will say, and I'm being honest, and I
told this it doesn't Callia last week. My siblings don't

(57:10):
treat me that way. They don't give a fuck about
what I do. They like you Carlos, right. But but
what I what I saw with the disappointment, not just
by her friends.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I do want us to laugh. That was funny. They
all did look disappointed.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Whatever somebody said, they were problems and degree I digress.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
It was a Chris.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Foul.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
It's when Tony then came and when when when they
when they had the boat, that didn't go to they
have a boat, and then Tony showed up being told
being Tony Braxon the superstar.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I'll tell you what I saw.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
I saw the defense and the go down immediately, even
when they argue and Trina goes You're the Superstar, stop it.
And one thing that I didn't talk about last week.
I want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Is you have two sisters fighting right.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
The fact that if y'all look at the body language,
Trina goes in the middle of them and puts her
back towards Amar.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
When my siblings are fighting, you grab the both of them.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It's similar to when Chloe was in the middle of
Courtney and Kim literally fighting each other, and what you
saw was Chloe tried to get the buff from them
off of each other.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
What I thought was fascinating was this.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
There is something about Tony Braxton when it comes to
the way she's try in the family, and I saw.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
It with you the Superstar Stop It.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
A lot of people are mad at Towanda per saying
to Tony, would you like to press charges?

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I'm very mad about that.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Actually, I don't talk about that.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
And then and then we saw that although based on
what I've seen the five episodes, Tony has disappointed Towanda
a couple of times, but a dinner I miss a
child seems to make everything okay.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And I wanted to talk to you Blue about that.
What is that about?

Speaker 6 (59:32):
Lord?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Okay? So I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm choosing my
words intentionally. If you are someone, let's say, I believe
everything to Wanna has ever shown us, and I'm not
putting on my my equ hat. Right, If you are
someone who's like the stick in the ground, is that
I am the caring one. I'm the one who makes
sure that everything that happens is okay, people have what

(59:54):
they needed. There's a crisis, I'm your girl, right, I'm
your girl. Crisis, I'm your girl. Tawanda Braxman, how is
it that you are at what I still call the
party city bridgeton a bridal thing and you get a
call from Tony Braxton saying, Angie Stone has just passed away.
Half of my band was on that bus with her.

(01:00:15):
I'm gonna have to rework everything and have extra rehearsals
to make up for this epic tragedy, the loss of
a friend and now the disparaging of what's gonna supposed
to be having on my show. And your first thought, as
the helpful one who kids about people, right, the compassionate one,
is I'm annoyed that you can't come to my party.
And for me, there's these moments where Tuanda's selfishness, the

(01:00:37):
part of her who wants to be constantly whatever the
mass slips off. That was a mass slip off moment
for me. If I got a call from Tony D.
Braxton saying that Angie Stone has passed away and half
the band it was going to be in my show
and so I have to do rehearsals. Fuck Bridgington. In
that moment, I would be worried about my sister and
the tragedy that just happened. There's a selfishness that keeps
poking out this season that I think the audience doesn't

(01:00:59):
have the language, but it's putting a bad taste in
their mouth because they feel bamboozled because they used to
love her. I're bullying, but I do agree that they're
responding to something that is a massive is slipping and
everybody takes some kind of responsibility for that sum and
that alone disgusted me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Do you think it's selfishness, like just pure selfishness, or
do you feel like she's always like okay, she's probably.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Feeling like the middle sisters. I feel like the invisible ones.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Right, You've got Tony Braxon and you've got Tamar Braxen. Right,
they get the most attention, they have the most wealth.
It's about them. It's it's them, right, And you're the
one that feels overlooked. You're already addressed how she probably
isn't like the attractive one all that other stuff that
goes along with that, right, And yeah, probably some selfishness,
but also what about me? She probably always feels like

(01:01:46):
an act thought, always feels kind of cast aside, always
feels like she's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
You know, you can like not show up to her.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
I'm just trying to be not double's advocate, but I'm
just trying to think about how.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
She's an advocate for this. And the answer to your
question is you just describe selfish with three different languages.
It's all selfish. So one of the things we teach
in class is that people pleasers are liars because being
a people pleaser means I'm gonna do whatever it takes
to be liked. Oh, so the premise is already selfish.
I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be Like whenever

(01:02:14):
a client says to me, blue, my heart is so big,
my heart is so big, I'm so generous, I'm so loving,
nobody's ever there for me. I'm Jesus Christ. I'm about
to levitate. I say, those are all pretty ways of
saying you suck at setting boundaries, take responsibility. And so
the thing about Twanda is I understand that she loves
her family. I think they all love each other, which
is why they're in so much pain. But even that,

(01:02:37):
the feet is story of it's oh well, how come nobody?
That's part of the selfish I'm sorry. You have to
get to a point where you have to say, what's
about me? It's going to be about me, what's about you?
It's going to be about you. And I know how
to advocate to get what I need. But when you
constantly let people rely on you and don't ask for
what you want until you are complaining and holding it
against their head, there's a thing called fog, fear, obligation,

(01:02:57):
and guilt. Tuanta lives fog. Anything you do for Towanda
is because you're scared of that narrative. She is wielding
it above you. Trina's family was going through their own
thing with a husband having some cardiovascular issues. She was
worried that her husband could die of a cardiac arrest
and she still didn't feel safe enough to tell Towanda
because of that very narrative. That narrative is the loudest

(01:03:17):
part of her selfishness. I'm gonna use this. Nobody's there
for me to guilt you into doing things even when
you ain't got it. You think, you know why when
I don't have it, I don't advocate for myself. So
when you don't have it, you're not allowed to advocate
for yourself either. That is selfish.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
I mean, she's been saying that from I know, Claudia,
you had mentioned that you just started watching this season,
but people that have been watching film the beginning. Tuanta's
been saying that for years. She's been I said, I
don't want to say using that. I don't want to
say using that right, but she's been saying that for years,
that she's always there for everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
Ain't nobody there for her.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
She also said it another country off Dustin.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
She did set on my podcast because Dustin was going
viral on TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I asked her. I said, people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Think you're you're the real villain, and well, people are
clocking they're saying instead of saying, no, I'm not the villain.
Or yes I am, they're saying. Towanda's response to Carlos
King was, well, if I'm the villain, how am I
the most reliable?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
How how I was?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
How am I the villain when I offered to carry
Tamar's baby as a sarrogate? How am I the villain
when I'm the one everyone calls them when they need something?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So these are.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Things constantly, She's constantly weaponizing her virtue. That is selfish
and it is manipulative. Objectively speaking, this is not personal
for me either, guys, to me these right Although I
did see Tony Braxton a couple of weeks ago. She's
very tiny, and she smells good but like and it
was a room full of R and B singers and
she's still Tony D. Braxton in a room.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
When she walk up that boat and the purple is
there's something even when she got up in Tamar's face
and she there is something about her.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
She has that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
She she has the eye the t like she just
she has it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
But it's one thing to have it in the rim
of celebrity. What I find fascinating is she has it
in the family to me and that and that I
think that's the thing that I can't put my fingers
on because even when you talk about let's just say,
for the argument of another family, the Jackson's and the Kardashians, right,

(01:05:27):
Michael Jackson obviously gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
King of pop.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
But what I found so fascinating by, you know, listening
to their stories and watching their you know, biography and
stuff like that, that family never really kissed up to Michael,
you know what I mean. It was sort of like,
that's Michael or that's Jen and we call her we
call her Dunk because she had she had a big butt.

(01:05:51):
We call her Dunk. On the Kardashians, the running joke
is Chem is Chris favorite, right, because I mean she is.
But those sisters you saw it Courtney, Courtney has time
for Kim like she has time for her, Yes, but.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Those sisters don't bow down to Kim.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I find fascinating about the Braxton's dynamic is there is
this halo over Tony that we see as fans. But
I find it fascinating that I feel like they see
it too as sisters or.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
That's like that's kind of like maybe I'm not articulating
my point as as good, but I do feel like, yes,
we can sit here and say all the things that
this one's doing wrong and that one was everyone, But
I just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Try to think about how they feel.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
May not be right or wrong, but like the Origin
story right in your in everyone's mind, you're not doing
the wrong because you have your reasons of why you
behave like that, why it's selfish, whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
But if you're always.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Seeing someone bow down to this one and then the
young one comes on that you didn't bank on, like
Blue said, then she blows the fuck up. I think
she feels a little insignificant. I think she feels a
little invisible. So her thing be yes, I will find
my lane here. I gotta find my lane somewhere. That's
what it looks like to me. Yes, I didn't have
the the the the long years of watching.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
I'm just looking.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
I'm coming in as a fresh pair of eyes with them.
What I think is damn like I've been invisible. I
feel invisible a whole life. I kind of got closed
with the group that didn't work out for me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
And then you know, like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
I'm sure we should have never heard about the allegations
of Tamar allegedly stealing a man, and we should actually
equally have never heard about I pay your phone bill
and even stealing from me. That should have been some shit.
They protect each other. I feel like that was I
hated seeing that on television. I hated that like that.
It's hard to get over. Like it's an episode to us,

(01:07:43):
it's their life to them, and that's just gotta hurt,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Responsibility though, Claudia, what you said was perfect. I think
you have done a great job of empathizing with how
she got here. My issue is, at fifty something years old,
what comes next. It's not to you, but it's your
responsibility to do something about it, and you have not
done anything about it in twelve years. At a certain point,
you're lazy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Now, well, I'm only five episodes in. I'll let you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I gotta, I got, I got, I gotta, I got
a big question. I got a big question for you
for all of them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Actually, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
You know we all do. That's why you know we
all feel bad for them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
That's why Destin said, there's some real black family stuff,
like we all we all understand how bad it is,
but look, we have a job to do. We're recapping
the episode. But we're doing it in a way that's
thought provoking the biggest question of the evening to me
that I want all of us to talk about, because yes,
we talked about Tawanda the the sort of title that

(01:08:47):
the world is giving her as the real villain. We
talked about Tony the superstar. Well we haven't talked about that.
I think needs at least another couple of minutes to
talk about. Is the underdog being another superstar. One thing

(01:09:10):
that a lot of people are saying, and obviously Tamar
intimated this in the conversation about you all jealous of me,
this grammy throat and all this stuff I did, right, No, no, no, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
So that's their culture. We've watched they collectively fight nasty
like that and it's icky.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
So I gotta the biggest question I have is this,
And I did ask Tamar this on when I did
my live interview. Tamar, Okay, when Ellie re picked Tony,
you're the superstar and I'm gonna throw all this money
at you to make you one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
And no shade to Ellie Reid, he did that, like
he he We all say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Even forty years later, there's something about Tony Bracks that
You're just like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Gee, she's she's that girl. She has it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
They they were background fingers on the Summer Whole Day's video.
This is her first album, guys, Okay, they were her
background singers. Right years later, Tamar advanced, do this reality show.
It's the bracton family values. We're all watching it because

(01:10:24):
we love Tony and we're all giving her sisters a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
The audience sees Tamar Braxton, and I'll speak for myself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I saw that show and said, Tony, I'm gonna play
the Lee bra album against this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
But who who is this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Everybody said, right, I'm like this, this one is somebody
that I know for a fact in high school.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
We've been best friends.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
And then not only was her personality a star her
first not her first album, but the album that came
after the first couple of seasons was Us, a Grammy
nominated album. So my question is, with the sisters appearing

(01:11:10):
to always put this halo over Tony, did did they
not have enough to give any more when their baby's
sister became.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
A big star too.

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
And and and and and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Are they dealing are they dealing with?

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
We we know what it felt like to give it
to Tony okay, but damn now Tamar has it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:37):
Is that is that what we're seeing displaying today, No
yes and no right yes in the sense of they
arrived at that point, but the only piece missing, and
that you lay it out beautifully by the way, Carlos.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
But the only thing, the only piece that I would
add is that by the time the Rexton Family values
came into you know, their world, Tamar did gain you know,
stardom from that show, but there had also been years
of occurrences prior to that. So the difference in the
two is they put the halo over Tony's head when

(01:12:09):
she got picked by La Reed back in the day.
Then Tony becomes famous, they're now the sisters of the
famous one, and a whole bunch of shit happens over
the years that makes.

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
Them not like Tamar.

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
And then they get into and mind you along that time,
she marries Vince, who has means, so now she has
access to her own financial resources to live a great life,
you know, which only drew her closer to Tony because
now you know, they can kick it and do things
without Tony having to be responsible for everything. Naturally, they
gravitated towards each other. So then then the show blows

(01:12:42):
up and now Tamar has the stardom element as well,
but they don't feel like she deserves it because of
all the shit that happened over the years that they
feel like she was at fault for.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
So I think that's the difference.

Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
When Tony got platformed or pedestal amongst the sisterhood, right,
she he was still young and innocent. When Tamar got
the superstardom from the television show, she was a grown
ass woman who they felt had been mistreating them for years,
and so they really were upset that she they allegedly
they may it makes sense to assume that they would

(01:13:15):
have been upset because they didn't feel like she deserved
the benefits the stardom, the attention, her being lauded and
heralded out of amongst all of them, right, But that's
exactly what happened. So I think that's the difference between
the two situations, with both of those sisters becoming the
stars out of the fray. I think the difference is
they wasn't mad at Tony when it happened to her,

(01:13:36):
and they've been pissed at Tamar for so long when
it happened to her that there is an inherent resentment there.
There is a part of them that appears to feel
like she don't deserve the benefits of what she's getting.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
And once you have resentment towards someone, the last thing
you want to see is for them to blow up
in your face. That's the last thing you want to see,
sister or not, you're like, oh, like yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
There's only one caveat that I want to put, like
an agree, I would change the person who mistreated them
to the person who embarrassed them. I don't think it
was Tamar bad things. I think they got comfortable seeing
her as the embarrassing sister who was the punchline of
a bunch of jokes. We see you as a clown,
We clown you as the stereotypical loud too much because

(01:14:23):
to it herself. I'm embarrassed by Tamar. I'm embarrassed by her,
and Tony is the superstars the superstars.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Embarrassing that that that it was embarrassment.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Tamar wasn't doing these dastly deeds. She was being annoying.
That is her greatest in my family. And to add
to that, that's when Tam.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
That's when Tony said in last week's episode Paying for
PR that your your your actions online, I have to
pay a publicist embarrassed me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
And I think that you know why. Embarrassment means I'm
being myself and we're incompatible because you find who I
am annoying. Mistreatment means I am a villain or I
am doing things that are dastardly. I don't think Tamar
was doing dastardly things. I think what's happening is she
is grating to their nerves. They find out said that
she's grading to their nerves right. She does things like

(01:15:15):
she'll start singing. There's the thing I want you guys
to learn about called gray rocking. Gray rocking is what
happens when someone is trying to be narcissistic around you
or make you feel like shit, and you completely shut
down being emotional and you detach yourself right Like, let's
say your parents are cussing you out. You're like, Mama,
I love you, Stop yelling, Mama, I love you, Mom.
I'm here to take I'm here to visit you at
the facility. Please stop. You do. Gray rocking as the

(01:15:37):
way to stay centered and not engage even if you
feel like you're being dehumanized or mistreated. Guess what Tamar's
gray rocking is. She sings. Tamar feels as if she
is under attack. She literally will close her eyes, start
talking to God and start singing to somebody abby who

(01:16:00):
was untrained. That seems like she's being annoying and dismissive
in this field. She's actually gray rocking to steady herself.
It's something that happens in the moment where you feel
triggered and you're trying to make sure that you don't
do something that's gonna get you.

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
Arrested than that friend, because think about it, Think back
and think about that scene back in then you've been
watching it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
You get it blue.

Speaker 8 (01:16:22):
Remember when Tamar went around the table like your man
don't work, yo, man, I want to.

Speaker 7 (01:16:27):
Do here we go, okay, young man a cheata young man,
a computer with cheat, young man, make money.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Off of you. I said this one by here he different.

Speaker 6 (01:16:46):
Now she did that. Oh yeah, let's give that was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Emmy award winning or sorry, Tony, something not only some
you deserve it in this bar.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
Now that's the only piece I would add because I
agree she does get on their nerves, right, But I
think that they also feel that in addition to getting
on their nerves, she has been harmful.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
To them in a way that was on camera.

Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like you tried like
you're trying to embarrass me. You going there about personal matters.
She knew that they money went up as high as hers,
and she would call their niggas broke on the show
and all kinds of shit, like she would cross lines
habitually that people understood to be beyond disrespectful.

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
And so I think it's a mix of both.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
I think it's what the poor of contention is. I
think before the show she was embarrassing. I think when
she got to the show and was being pushed aside
or dismissed and realized that she was popular, that's when
she could finally attack back. Guys, I think the timeline matters.
I think when you are the this happened to me,
and it's probably happened to you guys. Right, you're in

(01:17:58):
a group and you could tell I'm the person in
the group chat that people are probably not responding to.
Like everybody else, we know who's the most popular person
in the group chat. They say, Hiyody, oh girl, we
missed you. My friend was just complaining about this last
week somebody else in the group chat. Yo, here's a
five paragraph about what I went through, and it's like, oh,
everybody's read it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
And when I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
People used to leave on read in the group chat.
Imagine we introduced three million new people to the group
chat and suddenly they're responding to me. Now that they're
finally responding to me, now I'm going to get my
lick back, the chronological order matters.

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
No, I don't know Blue. This is the only reason I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Not saying she's perfect. What I'm saying is she finally
had momentum. She's always been petty, but Petty's momentum is different.

Speaker 8 (01:18:41):
But she been had the moment on Blue because think
about it, she married Vince, who is a superstar talent manager.
It's pictures and video of her vacation and topless protecting
Lady Gaga from being exposed to the properazic Caniraal.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I'm talking about money, We're talking about public.

Speaker 6 (01:18:55):
No, no, no, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:18:57):
Even with that right, as far as her being ignored
in the group chests, so to speak, right, Tamar was
best friends with Tiny for years. You know what I'm saying,
Tamar has lots of long Claudia, you know, you just
brought up Tiny tonight from back in the day, and
that was that was way later in their friendship. They
had been friends for years up to that point.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
I think that was like twenty eleven.

Speaker 8 (01:19:19):
And Tamar has always been She's always been Tony Braxton's
baby sister who could sing who She always had this personality.
We just didn't get introduced to it until Braxton Family Values.
But behind the scenes, Tamar been kind of that girl
for a minute.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
So it's not like she was.

Speaker 8 (01:19:38):
Somewhere in a corner, you know what I'm saying where
they was like, oh, that's just our annoying baby sister.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
No, Tamar was living, had a.

Speaker 8 (01:19:45):
Full life, ended up marrying rich, staying, and she was
in the circles in the mix.

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
She just wasn't on television.

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
And so I think that once the addition of agreeing
with y'all right, once the addition of the television cameras
came in, that was too much for some of them
sisters to handle.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
That's what I believe.

Speaker 8 (01:20:03):
I believe it was fine until the rest of the
world was privy to it. But I don't for one
second think that Tamar was somewhere being an ignored, feeble
you know child that was and they got it and
broke out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
No, it's about currency, guys. Tamar wanted to be the
next Tony, and I think we have to not conflate
what we know behind the scenes versus what the audience knows,
because it's a different currency. There are people Crowls contested
this who are rich and famous in no celebrities who
would give a path their fortune just to be known
by the public. You cannot conflict the two, you cannot

(01:20:37):
conflate them. And so what I'm saying is Tamar's currency
wasn't what you just listed. Her currency was US. And
the minute we got behind her, it put a battery
in her pack and she finally started getting her look back,
which was immature. Tamar retell you herself. She was immature,
which was dispectful. Tama retell yourself. It was disrespectful. But
even Macaudy was saying earlier, Tamar grew up in a

(01:20:59):
fan where imagine, if you're going to an audition, right
and dust, then you see three men who look just
like you. Mm hm, You're like, well, I gotta be
the best of these, the four of us, because they
all look like me. Right, there's a competition that happens
in an audition. Now what happens with the audition is
against your brothers. Tamar has been taught since she was
a child to be in competition with women who she

(01:21:20):
shares blood with and has not felt safe. So when
she means a Claudia Jordan, her first reaction is, I
don't trust women, because even the women who look like
me I can't trust. I'm definitely not gonna trust somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Else alike them. Braxtons lookike.

Speaker 8 (01:21:32):
You've seen strong Kwanda daughter and Ashley and type.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
They all look alike. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:21:39):
She had moved her hair back one time in one
of them scenes, and I was like, she looks just
like Ashley and Tamar. They all look alike. They're pretty family.
They all look alike.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
I think currency is important, guys, because one of the
things I will say is a lot of people in
the industry know me. Less than one hundred people probably
know me outside of the industry, Right, I'm the person
who knows everybody behind the scenes, I don't know, so
people are acting like I'm new. I'm years into my career.
But because I stepped from producing to be in front
of the camera, Now'm anukid on the block twenty one
years into my That's what happens to tamor You know
how I know because my old ass was listening to

(01:22:09):
her first actual album in college. I was looking to
Tamar's first album when I was in college in the
late nineties. And so I need you guys to understand
that there's a Peter Pan happening with Tamar because I
clocked Twanda at the clock Tamar. Tamar was having a
second puberty at forty on camera that are knowingly immature,
that are based on the stunted growth of for not
being able to evolve behind the scenes in the way

(01:22:32):
that was probably healthier. And I'm gonna say this, her
mother stepping in could have changed this. There's a thing
that happens with the mother. And this is not a blame.
It's just talking about moments that were lost for her accountability.
Her mother had said, Hey, I know Twanda that you
and Tamar and Tony had that big melee. Let's have
a conversation. I'm gonna bring all my girls together and

(01:22:52):
we're going to talk. But instead of what is happening
in this family is they're comfortable being in clusters. Oh,
Tamar is not talking, and so and so. So we're
all come being in this corner? Was I talking? So
and so? We're comfortable be in this corner. There there's
a lack of rearing that these women still need in
their forties and fifties, unfortunately, that they probaly didn't give
when they were younger. And I honestly think that that

(01:23:12):
Tony being a superstar so early is why the matriarchal
role isn't coming away the way it needs to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
What advice would you give to the mom?

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
I know it's late now, forties and fifties, right, so
it's like, you know a lot of tuff people should
have been done, but moving forward to get to a
better healthier place.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
If you could give advice to mom Evelyn, what would.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
You tell her, like if she could she go back
and make repair some of this damage in the family
that you're saying that you that you're that you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Think, what do you think? What would your advice to
her be?

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
That's a beautiful question and to be perfectly honest, and
it's it's the same thing that I said about Tamar
when you ask me, what could Tamar do? Acknowledgment? There's
no safety without acknowledgment. If I'm gonna tell you right now,
I don't want to get emotional. If Twanda and Trina
and Tony sat down with Tamar and said, you get
on our nerves sometimes, and we've all said horrible things

(01:24:05):
to each other, and we love you. We think you're
deeply talented, and we are sorry for any pain we
might have unintentionally caused you or made you feel unseen,
Tamar would probably start sobbing because it would feel like
her feelings were finally being acknowledged. I think what happens
with all the sisters is they're all in pain in
these little silos saying do you see me? Do you

(01:24:27):
see me? Do you see me? No one ever gets acknowledged.
On that I watched the whole thing over again before
I came here. No one ever gets acknowledged. And when
I was younger, I saw this thing on Oprah. Shout
out to Oprah, and they said that all human beings
walk around the world asking the same three questions, Do
you hear me? Do you see me? Do I matter?
Nobody on the rack Stents has ever said yes to
those questions to each other explicitly hear except for Tony,

(01:24:49):
I hear you, I see you, and I matter. If
their mother was to sit them down and explain to them,
there are no good guys or bad guys. There are
moments where I might have failed you because I didn't
army with the ability to show up for each other
as sisters. Twanda, we love the fact that you take
care of us. How about you stop being so transactional
and just want to show up for you, tell us
what you need and will create space for you. Trina,
get rid of the Canadian accent. Tamar, I know you smissed, Tamar.

(01:25:15):
I know you get dismissed a lot. You're not always wrong. Sometimes,
even if you stay in a way that we don't like,
you're not always wrong. Simply acknowledging impact has a very
deep seated reaction in people's hearts. I've watched gang members
who I used to work with back in the day
talk about impact, and you see grown men crying because
you finally see me. Tawanda and Tamar are both crying

(01:25:38):
the same thing. Nobody sees me. Nobody sees me, Nobody
sees me. Start with your mom, see them, see all
of them, good and bad, rather than letting these archetypes persist.

Speaker 8 (01:25:47):
I also think everybody needs to realize they grown as hell,
their kids growing as hell, and at a certain point,
although you have baggage and issues from childhood, you got
to fast.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Forward to where you're at today with certain shit, right, Like.

Speaker 8 (01:26:00):
There are things that are immediately deserving of our attention.
You know what I'm saying. I just had a conversation
with my brother. Y'all know I talked to my brother
every day. I had a conversation with him earlier this
morning about some family shit, and we were just saying,
how like yeah, but like today, you know what I mean,
who are you? How do you show up in your
relationships type shit? And that's the first thing they need

(01:26:21):
to do. Then they need to sit in a padded
room because as you can see, they might kick each other,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
So they need to be in a padded room.

Speaker 8 (01:26:29):
And do exactly what Blue said, look at each other
and just lay it the fuck out for real. That's
what you got to do was resistant. I'm sorry, Claudia,
but the mama was resistant to that. When they did
that workshop with Iyanla on the show The Moms, Miss
Evelyn was resistant to be very resistant to Ianda helping.

(01:26:52):
She refused to commit to the process and all of
that kind of stuff. So I just think that that
coupled in with the religious idea of you know what
I'm saying, you're in the church and there's a way
to do things and ship. I think there's been a
lot of necessary conversations that simply haven't happened out of
respect and out of an old way of doing things.

(01:27:13):
So yeah, I'm with my girl Blue. There's just some
accountability that needs to be passed around, like orders.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
I think with this group though, outside of looking in,
is who would go first? Because everybody feels like but me,
but my pain, but I but me. I think it's
never gonna happen. Honestly, I really.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
They're selfish Claudia to finally come around.

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
I'm not saying they're not, but I'm just saying, like,
it ain't just Tamar, I mean, it's not all of them.
I feel like it's a little bit heavy anti Tijuana
on this and more pro temar and I think everyone
has a pain on this. And depending on who you
talk to first, you know, I mean, oh yeah, she
did that, you know what I mean? Whoever you say

(01:28:00):
it down with and you hear hear from their mouth,
it's gonna make sense to you, right. No, but she
did this to me like it's who came what came first,
the chicken or the egg. And I just feel like
nobody would want to go first, to be the one
to humble themselves, to say you know what, I see
you and I understand and how I did you wrong
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
No one wants to do that, like we've seen this.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
Well, I'm new to this, but that is who that
is the brave person, the one person who can.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
Come forward amongst those sisters and say it. Whether it's
the mother or.

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
The sisss, I will give them the ultimate props. Hopefully
one of them does do it, and see.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
How it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
It didn't go well because here's the thing, and this
is not I will say this. I'm not being team
to Tamar. I'm being team counterbalancing the edit. The edit
has heavy on one end, and my Gemini rising means
if you're too heavy here leawers will understand. I gotta
put it over here, right, So we're counterbalancing the edit
that's making her seem like a one dimensional villain when
she's actually an unsympathetic a victim. Right. We have to

(01:28:57):
be careful, though. Tamar literally went on camera and said,
I have been diagnosed with anxiety. I'm a medication. I've
realized that a lot of my behaviors is because I
am mentally unstable, and I'm working on my stability, and
that's why I win. When Twanda said, well, I don't
argue with sick people, That's what I'm saying is when

(01:29:17):
you tell somebody I've been to the lady and she said,
I'm not all the way rap tighte. They got me
on lexapro and a couple of other things. I'm realizing
now that my mental is not the way it needs
to be, and your family weaponized that against you. I
don't know who's gonna go first, but it can't be
Tamar now, simply because it's already been thrown back in
her face.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
It has to be again. I hate to bring myself
into it. It has to be Tony because the thing
is this you clocked it blue. Early on in the episode,
there is something about the oldest child being a woman.
There's something because as yeah, it's like a second mother,
it really is. And on top of that, Tony Braxton

(01:29:57):
is the only one that they all respect, even yeah,
they listen to her.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
I think, Tony, next.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Week, we'll do this next week, and please remind me,
please remind me, so this is gonna be good. Typically,
the oldest sister is the one who sawt of rallies
the troops of the siblings.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
And calls shit out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
I'm forty six, and my oldest, my sister, who's the
oldest of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Ten, she's in her early fifties.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Till this day, we all low keate listen to her
when she holds court. I am curious, though, why Tony
Braxton doesn't show up as that, because yes, we can
talk about how we didn't like when Tamar said, and
I agreed, right, my.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Grammy throwing all this stuff and bragging them whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
I'll be honest with you, I didn't like when Tony said,
I'm Tony Braxton.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Don't fuck with a heavy hitter.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Yes, like right, So I think I think Tony also
has to show up not as the superstar who shows
up with the bolt that doesn't move, but I'll take
you child, I'll pay for it, but show up as
the oldest sister who has to do the job of

(01:31:21):
getting the girls back together.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
And I want to say, I don't think Tamar is
the villain. I do not think Tamar is the villain.
I will say, we can all make the other person
feel like the victim, seem like the villain when we
tell our side of the story. But I think they
all weaponize things against each other. Yeah, we's Tony Braxton
with I'm the Superstar, with Tamar putting her sister on
blast about the bills and you being broke. We all

(01:31:43):
know that she makes someone that was kind of wrong
and with them when they with Tawana saying the thing
about I don't talk to sick people. That was all
fucked up. There's enough blame to go across the board.
Nobody is innocent here, right, Yet no one does have
to start it. I do think it needs to be
Tony or the mama.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
I make sure it Matrich have.

Speaker 8 (01:32:01):
To do it, and and honestly, the person should do
it is the damn brother because it's his daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
That they run over him.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
That's my think about it, doesn't that's why he's never
been on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Yeah, he want No, he's a nurse. He wants no
parts of this. No, he's a nurse. He's like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Know, it's just I live.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
But I will say is next week, next week, rain drops,
the four of us, we're gonna dissect the dynamic between
Tony and Tamar because what what what happens when you
are the superstar and somebody is on your heels?

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
What happens?

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Yes, okay, you think you take that a that's a
good question.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
It's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
I'm curious to know what happens when you have been
Harold did as the superstar and then all of a
sudden you have your baby sisters on your heels, the
annoying one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
So we'll die out.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
That they also use her start them to like shut you, shut.

Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
You the hell up when they want to like sun
you she's the superstar and you're like, okay, I don't
count as much.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Definitely a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Little we'll dive into. We'll dive into that next week
in addition to the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
But I was like, great, I didn't because you know,
I got a lot of areas and tourists and shipp
in my chart, so I worried about scaring.

Speaker 6 (01:33:34):
People like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
This was good, This was good. This is good. So
Ray Johns, We'll be back next week.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Claudia, dust It Blue, thank you for another amazing episode.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
produced by Lizzie nim It in a partnership with the
Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on my
YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore

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