August 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Reigndrops, the TEA is HOT on this episode of Reality With The King! Our friend and OC veteran Alexis Bellino is back, and she’s not holding back when it comes to this week’s episode of RHOC. Carlos and Alexis dive into Katie’s comments on WWHL and unpack the real story behind the recording controversy. Liar, liar - these two are on FIRE!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey, rain drops.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
On today's episode Reality with the King, we have to
talk about the latest episode of the Real Housewives of
Orange County. But look, I feel like because her name
keeps getting mentioned, I might as well break her back
to another recap because I feel like she's the elephant
in the room. Not calling her an animo, but listen,
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it's a Metaphor give it up for my friend, the
beautiful the woman. Listen, what's the name of that restaurant
that is popular the OC Is it the woman in
the Room or something?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'll ask me she hops on.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But anyways, give it up for my friend, the one
that keeps getting talked about.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
She might as well defend herself. Alexis Ballino.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hey, everybody, Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Hey, Alexus, How are you guy? How are you good?
What's the name that I resta around the o C
that everyone goes to. Is it the Woman in the
Room or something like that?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I hate Carlos.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I met John there. It's called the Quiet Woman. The
Quiet Woman. She's headless. It's it's a nun fact. You
have to know these things about me, You know that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know the look.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I recapped so many Bravo shows and reality shows that
the name sometimes splits my brain.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But baby, you're not slipping anyone's brains.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So let's get into the latest episode of the Real
housewatch of Orange count Look, let's just get right into it.
This episode continued where Shannon is confronting Katie about her
being illegally recorded, and she's very upset about it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
One thing I thought that was interesting is this, obviously.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The recording was audio, and you clear that up on
this very podcast, thank you very much. But Katie is
mad at Tamara, and so it's jin because they feel
like it's Tamara's fault that all of this is happening,
because she's the one who told Gina I'm confused and
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I want to get her thoughts on Miss Alexis, I
feel like this love Tamar, hate her.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
She's great television.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
However, I still blame Katie for doing the action. Now,
should Tamar have kept her mouth shut? Look in a
life that isn't a sort of like reality show about
the subverb area of OC. Sure, but Tamra is a gossiper.
It sas everybody in that town. So I feel like
Tama was being Tamra. I don't understand why everyone's blaming
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Tamar for repeating, not even repeating, for telling Gina what
happened when.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Katie is the one who did the actual action. What
are your thoughts on that, Alexis.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Well, I definitely think that in a world where you're
not felding a reality show, it probably would not have
gotten brought up. Maybe you would have, But we are
gossipers around here in the ESCA. It seems like and
it's such a small world, but it is. It's Katie's actions,
but it's also Shannon's acton Shannon's the one that was
doing the ridiculous for heavire, Katie was. I don't think Katie,
to be honest, I don't think Katie was being malicious
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at all. I don't think she was recording this thinking
I'm I'm recording Shannon because I want to be evil.
I think she literally because I was friends with her
at the time. Obviously this has changed now, but she
literally told me. And the reason she was upseted because
she was on a business call with her husband. She
wanted to be able to say, guy, this is why
to jump off, and so she said it to her husband,
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not in an mosious way, and it just happened to
you know, get out into the world. But yeah, those
are my thoughts. I don't think Tamia should have done
anything to the group, though I don't. Uh, who knows
if it wouldn't have come out in another way. You know,
Katie didn't share it with other people. She did, She
did share it with other people.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So yeah, yeah, I mean listened, she did.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And look, when it comes to Katie, Alexis, I gotta
be honest with you. I've tried so hard to find
a deeming quality about Katie.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's hard. Like after you eat a red velvet cake
and you're trying to put in your skinny Jee's, you're.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Just like strugg league to like fasten the button and
everything else. That's how hard it is for me. It's
it's voice to men. It's hard to say goodbye Hard.
It's Rihanna's album Hard featuring g Z.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It's hard for me.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Okay, you are doing a lot of good Metaphods today.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Thank you. I had a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, but you did say to me the last time
he spoke like, no, Carlos, Katie's a good girl, blah
blah blah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And I'm like, I trust my friend Alexis Billino. But
Alexa is like, what is it about Katie that's a
truth syrup. I think she's a lie. You lie your
pants on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's the wrong day to talk to me about Katie.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
After last night's stent on and watch what happened li
where she's now is calling me a liar and saying
I didn't hear the voice memo. Why am I gonna
lie about that? And why is she lying about that?
Like if that is there's no benefit. Everyone knows there's
a voice memo. Why are you gonna lie and say
you didn't share it with people that you did share
it with.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's just this, this line makes no sense. I get this.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
She's trying to cover her bum and other live this
one to me is just a ridiculous one. And I
would have defended her like I did last you know,
last time week we spoke on your show, on your podcast,
I was like, she's a sweet girl. I don't I
don't see what all the other girls see this and
that I can't say that now Now she's burnt my
birds too for no reason.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So I it's a wrong day, Carlos.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I want to be she's funny. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna say she's not funny. She's funny and witty
and and I just think she has a really really
bad relationship with the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Now I have to Okay, then the other girls.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So uh, I'm sorry, guys, that's me gagging and I'm
literally wiping the saliva from my cheeny chin chin.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So wait a second, Okay, so watch what Happens Live.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You're saying that Katie said that you're lying about receiving
the audio, that she never sent it to.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You, Andy Cohen asked her last night. Okay, so this
is hours later that I'm still steaming from being paul
a liar basically, and you can call me a lot
of things, Carlos. Okay, I'm I'm John's defense team. I'm
dippy sometimes on camera, I'm you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I I eat weird, I talk weird. Whatever you can say,
any of those.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Things, you will get through this life. Calling me a
liar because I don't lie. Okay, it's the one thing
I can have going for me here anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So yeah, Andy.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Cohen asks her, did you I'm confused, who all did
you share it with?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And share with Alexis?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
And Katie goes only so and so and points to
some guy in the audience, and I'm sitting there with
my mouth dropped open, and I'm like, first of all.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I heard the recording. Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
We were sitting at a restaurant solo Babe, right across
the street from my house. I can remember where we
were seated because the table next to us had some
Bernette women there, and I was like, Oh, this is
juicy stuff for them. I hope they're not. And I'm like,
you know, listening, so I have re turn it down.
My name's being mentioned every other F bomb because Shannon's
upset and yelling at an Executi Bravo that you should
not be yelling at like you don't yell at Bravo executives.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Okay, and so I'm my mouth's wide open.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I'm just like, oh, for the Alexis is here, doesn't
me mental health? How dare you know this? And that
that's the recording? I heard the recording. Okay, So I
don't know why anyone would want to lie about it
and just own it.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You already owned it and said you have it, So
why are you going to try to say you only.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Share it with your oh sorry, your makeup artist or
whatever whoever she said in the audience.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Okay, there's the tea. You wanted, the tea, you got
the tea.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Carlos, I'm going into witness protection program.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Once again. Listen, listen once again. Carlos King is vindicated.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Just like I said to all of my rain drops,
gar Cell and Sell and by the way, they unfollowed
each other this week, Alexis, get the care. I'm the
one who said I don't believe the friendship. I thinks
the alliance. I did apologize to that Garcel. I love
them both, but I said I'm sorry because I offend
you guys. I'm sorry, But then they unfollow each other.
I'm vindicated, I said, since since since episode one season nineteen,
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I'm like, there's something about Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, not Mary, shout out to.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
My girl camera, diask there is something about Katie, the
enigma that is Katie.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I just don't believe her.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And and some fans like, Carlos, shut up, You're You're
in a Lexa Tamra's asshole, and I'm like, don't.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I don't think I'm Summer's.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Even Okay, So I don't hear.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Mine is mine?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You call a sat a spade, Carlos, Let's just leave
it at that, Okay, you do. I think that's why
you're so loved by so many people, because regardless of
what you know, if you get the wrath of anything
or from whatever you've said, you were honest and you
speak your mind and most of the time.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You end up being right. So, okay, I would have
argued with you last week. I would have argued with you.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I would have said, oh, come on, don't be so
hard on Katie, because I'm like you, I was feeling
really bad. I thought I felt like it was such
a gang up. Now I'm like, now I'm on the
ship with the girls, being like I just got led about.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So now I believe that she is flying about all.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Those othersuff because it's just do the lie, like oh yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yes, I don't get it because on your that's okay,
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I don't get it because for me, even in this
episode when Katie is like, so, you know, Tamrack goes outside,
she brings Joe and she sees Katie and her husband Matt,
And I think Matt is such a sweet guy. I
feel I honestly feel bad for Mike because I'm sure
I mean that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, I think he's a good person. He's a good human.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
He's so innocent and in the storm of all of this,
and his wife handled things differently. I think it would
be a you know, he had a better experience, but
he should be taking some accountability for her, holding accountable
for her actions at this point, you know, like like
oh they do it, Like what your wife?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know? Like, yeah, I mean and Katie, here's the thing, though, Carlos,
she did own up to some of the things at
the very beginning of the episode or was that last
week's episode one of the episodes now I'm turning together,
but she she took my ability. But I'm sorry I
did do some of these things, So why are you
now going to continue to lie about things that are
so stupid about that?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
That's where I'm like, she really does have a bad
relationship with.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
The truth, and if not even to protect her own
family and her own you know, what, do you reputation.
It's like now it's to the point where it's like
it's just stupid lies about things She's already needed.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
She knows there's a voice recording.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So yeah, I think when it comes to Katie, I
think Katie has an unhealthy relationship with the audience, and
that audience includes her fans, the viewers of the show,
and the bloggers. I think Katie, because listen, I've been
doing this for almost twenty years, Alexis. I think Katie
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being a newbie, and I understand it when it's your
first season, her first season, it is it is it is.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It is something that is new to you.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Gratefully, Alexis, you were on The Real Housewives of OC
before social media blew up.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You were able to really live in your reality. Those
days are gone. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think Katie spent every available time going through social
media comments and because a lot of people just don't
like Tamera. I always say this, like I said about
Melissa Gorga. In my opinion, Melissa Gorga does not have fans.
She has Teresa Hayters. I don't think Katie has fans.
I think Katie has Tamra haters. And I think Katie
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got caught up in the matrix and started to befriend
bloggers and she really is played Katie to the audience.
And now that you're telling me what she said about
you on Watch What Happens Live indicates that little do
you know, Katie. If you go listen to a podcast,
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listen to my girlfriend, because Alexis really has their back
on my podcast when I was like, I don't think
she's this person, Alexis has their back, Katie. So instead
of you listening to the echo chamber of the bubble
that you're in, you should have listened to reality with
the game and really understood that had you're back unless your.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Back, and I will, I am will fill That's the thing.
I will be loyal to my friends and there everything
you know, I will. I will be little to a
fault with them. However, she should listen to her gut
to and the other part.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Carlos that you.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I don't know this or not, but Tamro was close
to Paiti and defended Patie and tried her hardest to
help Katie through this whole season, like she really did, so,
you know, even against the other women's wishes and everything else.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So I I don't know why. I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I think Katie's just scared. I think she's just been
so hated by the women and kind of iced out
a little bit. It looks like the women are not
nice to her.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I don't know if it's going to turn around. We
have a few more episodes to see, obviously, But yeah,
it's just she she had a different path she could
have taken.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Exactly exactly, instead of the path of Matt leading you
to self destruction because he believes his wife and you're
a liar, liar, pants on fire.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So before we move on to the office scene, what
I do want to address is this Katie said in
her confessional. If Tamara was so concerned about the recording,
why didn't she say anything?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Then why is she saying it now? As a producer.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I will say this because tamar is taping a reality shows.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You can complain about Tama.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Tamara does her job, Okay, she moves storyline forward, she
has conflict resolutions, skilled she takes she takes her job,
and she does her job. This is why she's the
longest living housewife or the longest you housewife, stint or whatever.
It's like, Okay, the girl knows how to do her job.
So at the end of the day, everyone can hate
whoever they want. If the show wouldn't exist without someone
like Tamarra to movie storyline on. I don't know why
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she brought it up. I really don't. Maybe it was
a boring lunch or maybe something ignited you know, you
don't see a lot of us see you know that, right,
it's a huge it's filmed for hours and you get
one little snippet of it. Maybe something was said that
we didn't see that ignited it in hammer and she's
like and she just brought it up. I don't know,
but I just know that as well as you that
filming a reality show, a lot of footage isn't cut
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because they have to.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Reduce it down.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And who knows why she brought it up, unless it's
to move storyline, or unless it's to call Katie out,
because she.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Did do that, you know, precisely, and for Tama Judge,
I thank you. Now I need to know this. One
thing about the OC that I love is the fact
that I like the petty beef. I like the petty drama.
Nothing made me laugh louder.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
In this episode, Alexis than Tamra accusing Jen of wearing
her old hair extensions and it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Admitted it that they put it in for five I mean,
you can't break this right. You can't even write this
the movie. She said. Jen said, oh, come on, Tamba.
They just clipped him in for fun. It was just funny.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
And then you know, we laughed about it. So I
personally think it's funny and I don't think anything I would.
I'd own it too if I was like, yeah, we
put im in to be funny. It's hysterical.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I hear your your weed was right here, your hair
was right here. I just stuck it in to take
it for a moment.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And I don't think Dinner of Soccer or want to
be I don't think she wants to be Tamra. I
think she is just trying to live her best life
and look like every other blonde bombshell here in southern California.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You know, well that that's the thing I was going
to ask you.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Is there a shortage of horses that is lacking in
oc where you can't cut the hair off of them?
Not saying you should shut off to Pita, but I'm saying,
like I thought that was the funniest thing. And Tamra, Listen,
Tamra is serious when she says, I believe that Jen
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stalked me. I believe that Jim purpose purposely, you know,
went to the gym and did all these things to
get close to me to get on the show.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know Jim personally, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Do you see some validity in what Tamar is saying
about Jen allegedly being single white female.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They have such a beef that I and I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I really don't understand where it comes from, because I
do like Jin.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
You know, we have distanced a little bit, but I
do like her.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I don't think no matter what gim she goes to, Okay,
Orange coummy small, no matter what restaurant you go to,
it's not single white female. Although tamer does have quite
a list of things that she goes down to. In
Tamra's mind, she does believe that right like she truly
does believe Jen wants to be her. I look at
it as an outsider, loving Tamar, she's one of my besties,
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and loving liking Jen a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I feel like there is.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
No single white bee won't. Like I've said it before,
it's like you walk down the street. We aren't all
dark haired, light skin. We are like tan, blonde, blues, lips, botox.
That's the look here in Califrinia. So I don't think
that anyone single white femaling Tamra because they want to
do the same thing that most of.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Them, you know, women here are doing and let it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Maybe everybody is single white female Pamela and the different Baywatch.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Maybe maybe maybe her in her.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Red swim throat running through the beach.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Maybe maybe maybe that's the Pulsted child forward.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But you know, one thing that Jen did say as
a clapback is look, Tamara was my body. She got
the tummy talk to look like me and was send photos.
So look, one thing about Jen, Jen is not backing
down from Tamra.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Now that's what I'm telling you they have such a beef,
and I really do want to know like what it
comes from, because I was kind of in the middle
of it, like when I was filming Season eighteen, because
I was doing the situation.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
On my eye.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean loved Tamra, loved Jin, and I'd have to
be like, Okay, both of you, don't say a word
about the other person, because I'm in the middle and
I'm printed both of you talk about I don't want
to hear anything about Jen.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I don't want to hear anything about Tamara period.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So I had to like look really hard because you know,
there's so much filming going on and you're kind of
stuck in the middle of it all. I don't understand
their beats, and I wish that there wasn't such a
animosity there. There's just a lot on both sides, both
of them, and you could tell in that scene, but
that scene not like it was.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It was intense and neither of them were backing down.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So I do want to go there now with it too,
because when Tamar and Jan sat down, I I'm going
to be honest here.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love a one on one with two housewives.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I think is the perfect moment to address everything without
the other women there either agony interrupting you. I need
things to be clear as day as something comical or
shady always comes out of it. When I look at
tamar and Jen, look, I know Gretchen is back, and
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we'll get to that in a second. In my opinion, Alexis,
I think Tamarra and.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Jen's bank Suddenly I can't hear you, all right.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'll start hang on, say it again, testing one.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Two three, Okay, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Okay, when I look at Tamra and Jen, in my opinion,
this is giving me old school Tamara Gretchen, I think,
and Gretchen's back. We're gonna see what happens later in
the season. But I'm telling you right now, this season,
I'm obsessed with the beef between Tamra Jen because they
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are both hysterical and they do not back down from
each other. And when I look at Jen, I think
Jen has come a force to be reckoned with on
this show. And that's why I think she should stay
on for as long as the show was there. Because
I always said this to me. She breathes, oh see,
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and I like the fact that she can stand up
for herself, and she did that in this scene. You know,
look the accusation of cheating came up. Jen said, look,
you cheated too. Tamer said, I was out of my marriage,
meaning she moved out when she started seeing Eddie.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Jen said same thing with me.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I just start seeing Ryan until I was I was,
you know, out the house, out of my marriage or whatever,
not divorce.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But technically away from the marriage. What your thoughts on
that is, is that considered cheating to you? And is
that true based on your knowledge?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I think every divorce a has to handle that topic
on their own and go with their own world. I mean,
the minute Jim and I, you know, knew we were
going to get a divorce. At that point, the narrows
is over. I don't think it's cheating at all. I
think if you once you've said we're done, I mean,
if you have to wait for the divorce finalize, which
a lot of people believe in that you have to.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You might have to wait two to three years for
some divorces.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
So it's like you're not going to spend that whole
too with when you're saying and still you're you're still
married with this guy when you're out living together. So
I wasn't there when Tamra met Eddie, so I don't
know for sure what was happening. I'm going to take
it at face volume book that she said when she
said I have maked.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Out, saying with Jin.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But there is the rumor going around that both of
them have cheated. I guess I didn't even know that
was that was part of it. But they're both sitting
there accusing each other of it and then saying no.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
But I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I was moved out, So I think it it doesn't
make any different. After you mentioned that you're can divorce,
I think, what do you think? Because I think at
that point, it's like, okay, we're done, let's move on.
Sign on the dog line when the line comes.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yes, no, what that was saying. I don't think it's cheating.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
If we both said we are divorcing each other and
we're going to move on from this marriage. I think
the moment two parties decide this marriage is heading towards
divorce and we're going to file, I think that's the
day you're able to start dating other people.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I don't think you should wait until the divorce is finalized,
because based on my history working with housewives and reality
stars who are going through divorce, it can sometimes take
years for the divorce to be finalized, especially when there's
lots of assets.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And children involved. It takes a while. So I don't
think it's cheating.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
However, Tamar did say, prompted by the shady producer, if
the professionals when when prompted by the producer, what is
the information that Jin? I mean, I'm sorry that Tamra
has on Gin. Tamar did say, there's yes, yes, no, yes.
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Tamra says there's rumors that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Jin was involved with another guy before Ryan. Is that
true in the OC streets?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Alexis Billino, I do not know, And I am so
sorry that I can't dish any more Tea on this.
I did not know about that or about it until
you know all of us just now. So I And
here's the thing I have a hard time with. There
are so many false rumors that go around. There are
so many things that aren't true said about me, about
people I know, about Tamara, about Jen. Sometimes I just
look the other way and go, okay, is it real
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or not? And and by the way does it even
matter At this point she's engaged to Ryan. It's like, well,
just not worry about what happened five years ago, ten
years ago, and stick to what's happening now.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Like, I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
And there was a rumor that Tamar and Eddie had cheeted,
and that was in one of the episodes, you know,
back in seasons five or eight or something or no,
maybe it was after that.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Now all the time runs together, but and I don't
think that was true. So it's like, I just I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
People like to talk.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think it's true in any town, not just O.
See by the way, I don't want to just a
bunch of doctors.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
No, no, that's the big Oh No, it's Listen. The
Housewives has spaned to like ten cities, so clearly it's
in every area.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
And that's the reason why the franchise is successful, because
they did a good job tapping into these cities where
it is like this community.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Where people do talk. And again it's like a nod
to Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
One thing I would like to say about Tamara is
I really enjoyed this scene between her and Sophie her daughter,
and for me, look, I know Tamar goes a bad
rap and I know that tamras sometimes to the audience
does not help herself. I always look at it like
Tamara is a good reality star because she's complex and
she's not perfect, and I think that's the beauty of
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her as a reality star. The scene between her and
Sophie made me smile because it was nice to see
her in mother mode. And I always think when it
comes to reality stars, it's nice to have that balance.
And that's the reason why last season, Alexis when you
were on and you came to my podcast and I
was on yours too, one thing we talked about was
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the sort of unfortunate nature of you being a friend
because it prevented the world from seeing your full life.
Right you were subjected to only being the friend into
these other women's reality and not unfortunately having your full
reality be shown. Talk to me about the importance of
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having these scenes where you are mother and people seeing
your life, because I felt that that scene really did
help balance out Tamar this season.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, it just that's what I.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Miss about the show too, because back season five to eight,
when I was on, it was even as a full
time versus a friend also, but it was a lot
more of your family life shown and real talk to
have with your husband, some real moments you have with
your kids, like when one of my kids the other
one of the twins, the other twin, and I had
to take all their you know, their lipstick and everything.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You don't get the same one your sister. So I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I love that scene with Tamara, and it does show
her how like she is a good mom, She is
close to her kids, she would die for her kids,
you know, just like every other mom. And yeah, it's
the reality of real life that then people can kind
of go, oh, I can relate to that instead of
just all the bickering and the lies and rumors and
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gossip that happens, which is doocy and not that keeps
everyone coming back. But it is good to see with
all the all the housewives, their mother little skills and
what it's like, you know, just bring it home for everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I agree with you, and I think, look Tamra, obviously,
unfortunately there's other children she have that I believe there's
one or two if I'm not mistaken, maybe one who
isn't speaking to her. Currently, but I think, look, I
think it's brave that any mother decides to get on
reality television, and I think it's for the kids to
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say yes. And I think there's something complicated about kids
growing up into reality television, and there's something complicated about
going through divorce when you have kids. I think sometimes,
not all the time, Sometimes kids do pick sides and
it's hard to navigate. And that's why I give Tamra
all the props in the world for being honest about
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the relationship she's happened with her children and the complexities
of what that is. Now, with that being said, I'm
going to transition into Heather de Bro meeting with Katie.
In this scene, Alexis, Heather Debro confronts Katie about a
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conversation she had with Tamera where there's a radio host
named ki Ki Monique High Kiki.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
She has a show with Real Housewives of New York
Legend Derinda.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I believe it's called Reality Checked. I've been a guest
on it. Keiki Monique is fantastic. She's not a blogger,
she's a radio host, and I believe she's a comedian.
Long story short, Heather confronted Katie and said, Tamar did
tell me that you met with a blogger named Keikim
Monique and to give information to her, And Katie looked
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visibly shocked by the accusation and denied it. Do you
believe Katie was surprised by the accusation because it wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No, I think Katie, once again, well, was dumbfounded it.
She gottling again, like it's almost like you know, your
mom tells you not to touch the stove and oh,
you'll get burnt, and you keep touching it and you
keep getting burnt. I feel like Katie's like, especially after
last night, what happened with me. It's I do believe
she doesn't think she actually says what she she does
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say or did what she will do. I think she
might actually have an issue that, like some kind of
issue with going, oh did I do that?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And then remembering it. But it's too she's already lied
about it. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Nothing else makes sense to me. I don't understand, but
I have heard about the peepee thing, and I do.
I will have to wait and see what happens on
the couple episodes, but I think you're gonna see too
a lot more to that situation.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Alexis Beenlina, are you saying to me that this is
just the beginning of what I think?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't get the
screeners anymore. I don't know. All I feel like is
they're setting us up.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
They're setting us up to let us think or there's
something going to be more about the peepe thing er.
It wouldn't have just gotten brought up, you know. And
Katie does keep getting caught in the lie. Katie did
act shocked, But to me, when I was watching that pain,
I thought she was acting shocked because she was like
how did this get out? You know, That's more what
I was reading from the situation. And so we'll see, I,
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you know, kind of kind of let that as a footpanger,
you know. But I think it's there's there's going to
be more.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I hope. I want to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I just want to know, Like I want to sit
down with Katie and have her take a light detector test,
like for like ten minutes and ask her like twenty
five of the questions would women are thinking she's light about?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
And see what the flight detector tests them do?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Because I think it probably burned like I think the
paper would start to like fry, you know, from the thing.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Don't trace you. I don't understand the lies. I don't
get it. It's all line one one for a fire
truck to come put the.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Liear liear Katie's on fire.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay, look, listen, I'm going to keep watching obviously, Alexis.
I would love you to come back on because you
bring to me so much insight and intail about this show.
And look, it's a gift to have you on recapping
these episodes with me because I really am fascinated by
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that world.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And listen, you are the icon that.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Helped build this franchise into to me, currently the best
one out there. So I thank you for your services.
Alexis Blina, Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, all right, So rain
Drops catches again the next time. But Alexis, but anything
going on that you want to promote let your fans
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know about.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Although I know how you are planning your wedding and
I'm sure you're you're like and you dated with that,
I am.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I am in deep and I didn't realize I've been
so nonchalant about it up until now that we're getting
down to wire, and it's like, even with the team
I have behind me, I'm like, oh, I'm eating, sleeping, drinking,
you know, dreaming, like all wedding stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So there's just a lot of facets and things that.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
You have to that when it comes down the clothes
that you have to start narrowing down and getting down.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So yeah, exciting, exciting, all right. I love you, Alexive
and I'll see you all the next one.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Bye. Reality with the King is executive produced by me
Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with
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Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
scripted as well.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey, rain drops.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
On today's episode Reality with the King, we have to
talk about the latest episode of the Real Housewives of
Orange County. But look, I feel like because her name
keeps getting mentioned, I might as well break her back
to another recap because I feel like she's the elephant
in the room. Not calling her an animo, but listen,
(00:57):
it's a Metaphor give it up for my friend, the
beautiful the woman. Listen, what's the name of that restaurant
that is popular the OC Is it the woman in
the Room or something?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'll ask me she hops on.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But anyways, give it up for my friend, the one
that keeps getting talked about.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
She might as well defend herself. Alexis Ballino.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hey, everybody, Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Hey, Alexus, How are you guy? How are you good?
What's the name that I resta around the o C
that everyone goes to. Is it the Woman in the
Room or something like that?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I hate Carlos.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I met John there. It's called the Quiet Woman. The
Quiet Woman. She's headless. It's it's a nun fact. You
have to know these things about me, You know that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know the look.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I recapped so many Bravo shows and reality shows that
the name sometimes splits my brain.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But baby, you're not slipping anyone's brains.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So let's get into the latest episode of the Real
housewatch of Orange count Look, let's just get right into it.
This episode continued where Shannon is confronting Katie about her
being illegally recorded, and she's very upset about it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
One thing I thought that was interesting is this, obviously.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The recording was audio, and you clear that up on
this very podcast, thank you very much. But Katie is
mad at Tamara, and so it's jin because they feel
like it's Tamara's fault that all of this is happening,
because she's the one who told Gina I'm confused and
(02:40):
I want to get her thoughts on Miss Alexis, I
feel like this love Tamar, hate her.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
She's great television.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
However, I still blame Katie for doing the action. Now,
should Tamar have kept her mouth shut? Look in a
life that isn't a sort of like reality show about
the subverb area of OC. Sure, but Tamra is a gossiper.
It sas everybody in that town. So I feel like
Tama was being Tamra. I don't understand why everyone's blaming
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Tamar for repeating, not even repeating, for telling Gina what
happened when.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Katie is the one who did the actual action. What
are your thoughts on that, Alexis.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Well, I definitely think that in a world where you're
not felding a reality show, it probably would not have
gotten brought up. Maybe you would have, But we are
gossipers around here in the ESCA. It seems like and
it's such a small world, but it is. It's Katie's actions,
but it's also Shannon's acton Shannon's the one that was
doing the ridiculous for heavire, Katie was. I don't think Katie,
to be honest, I don't think Katie was being malicious
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at all. I don't think she was recording this thinking
I'm I'm recording Shannon because I want to be evil.
I think she literally because I was friends with her
at the time. Obviously this has changed now, but she
literally told me. And the reason she was upseted because
she was on a business call with her husband. She
wanted to be able to say, guy, this is why
to jump off, and so she said it to her husband,
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not in an mosious way, and it just happened to
you know, get out into the world. But yeah, those
are my thoughts. I don't think Tamia should have done
anything to the group, though I don't. Uh, who knows
if it wouldn't have come out in another way. You know,
Katie didn't share it with other people. She did, She
did share it with other people.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So yeah, yeah, I mean listened, she did.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And look, when it comes to Katie, Alexis, I gotta
be honest with you. I've tried so hard to find
a deeming quality about Katie.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's hard. Like after you eat a red velvet cake
and you're trying to put in your skinny Jee's, you're.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Just like strugg league to like fasten the button and
everything else. That's how hard it is for me. It's
it's voice to men. It's hard to say goodbye Hard.
It's Rihanna's album Hard featuring g Z.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It's hard for me.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Okay, you are doing a lot of good Metaphods today.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Thank you. I had a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, but you did say to me the last time
he spoke like, no, Carlos, Katie's a good girl, blah
blah blah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And I'm like, I trust my friend Alexis Billino. But
Alexa is like, what is it about Katie that's a
truth syrup. I think she's a lie. You lie your
pants on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's the wrong day to talk to me about Katie.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
After last night's stent on and watch what happened li
where she's now is calling me a liar and saying
I didn't hear the voice memo. Why am I gonna
lie about that? And why is she lying about that?
Like if that is there's no benefit. Everyone knows there's
a voice memo. Why are you gonna lie and say
you didn't share it with people that you did share
it with.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's just this, this line makes no sense. I get this.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
She's trying to cover her bum and other live this
one to me is just a ridiculous one. And I
would have defended her like I did last you know,
last time week we spoke on your show, on your podcast,
I was like, she's a sweet girl. I don't I
don't see what all the other girls see this and
that I can't say that now Now she's burnt my
birds too for no reason.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So I it's a wrong day, Carlos.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I want to be she's funny. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna say she's not funny. She's funny and witty
and and I just think she has a really really
bad relationship with the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Now I have to Okay, then the other girls.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So uh, I'm sorry, guys, that's me gagging and I'm
literally wiping the saliva from my cheeny chin chin.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So wait a second, Okay, so watch what Happens Live.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You're saying that Katie said that you're lying about receiving
the audio, that she never sent it to.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You, Andy Cohen asked her last night. Okay, so this
is hours later that I'm still steaming from being paul
a liar basically, and you can call me a lot
of things, Carlos. Okay, I'm I'm John's defense team. I'm
dippy sometimes on camera, I'm you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I I eat weird, I talk weird. Whatever you can say,
any of those.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Things, you will get through this life. Calling me a
liar because I don't lie. Okay, it's the one thing
I can have going for me here anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So yeah, Andy.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Cohen asks her, did you I'm confused, who all did
you share it with?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And share with Alexis?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
And Katie goes only so and so and points to
some guy in the audience, and I'm sitting there with
my mouth dropped open, and I'm like, first of all.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I heard the recording. Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
We were sitting at a restaurant solo Babe, right across
the street from my house. I can remember where we
were seated because the table next to us had some
Bernette women there, and I was like, Oh, this is
juicy stuff for them. I hope they're not. And I'm like,
you know, listening, so I have re turn it down.
My name's being mentioned every other F bomb because Shannon's
upset and yelling at an Executi Bravo that you should
not be yelling at like you don't yell at Bravo executives.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Okay, and so I'm my mouth's wide open.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I'm just like, oh, for the Alexis is here, doesn't
me mental health? How dare you know this? And that
that's the recording? I heard the recording. Okay, So I
don't know why anyone would want to lie about it
and just own it.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You already owned it and said you have it, So
why are you going to try to say you only.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Share it with your oh sorry, your makeup artist or
whatever whoever she said in the audience.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Okay, there's the tea. You wanted, the tea, you got
the tea.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Carlos, I'm going into witness protection program.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Once again. Listen, listen once again. Carlos King is vindicated.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Just like I said to all of my rain drops,
gar Cell and Sell and by the way, they unfollowed
each other this week, Alexis, get the care. I'm the
one who said I don't believe the friendship. I thinks
the alliance. I did apologize to that Garcel. I love
them both, but I said I'm sorry because I offend
you guys. I'm sorry, But then they unfollow each other.
I'm vindicated, I said, since since since episode one season nineteen,
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I'm like, there's something about Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, not Mary, shout out to.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
My girl camera, diask there is something about Katie, the
enigma that is Katie.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I just don't believe her.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And and some fans like, Carlos, shut up, You're You're
in a Lexa Tamra's asshole, and I'm like, don't.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I don't think I'm Summer's.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Even Okay, So I don't hear.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Mine is mine?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You call a sat a spade, Carlos, Let's just leave
it at that, Okay, you do. I think that's why
you're so loved by so many people, because regardless of
what you know, if you get the wrath of anything
or from whatever you've said, you were honest and you
speak your mind and most of the time.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You end up being right. So, okay, I would have
argued with you last week. I would have argued with you.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I would have said, oh, come on, don't be so
hard on Katie, because I'm like you, I was feeling
really bad. I thought I felt like it was such
a gang up. Now I'm like, now I'm on the
ship with the girls, being like I just got led about.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So now I believe that she is flying about all.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Those othersuff because it's just do the lie, like oh yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yes, I don't get it because on your that's okay,
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I don't get it because for me, even in this
episode when Katie is like, so, you know, Tamrack goes outside,
she brings Joe and she sees Katie and her husband Matt,
And I think Matt is such a sweet guy. I
feel I honestly feel bad for Mike because I'm sure
I mean that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, I think he's a good person. He's a good human.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
He's so innocent and in the storm of all of this,
and his wife handled things differently. I think it would
be a you know, he had a better experience, but
he should be taking some accountability for her, holding accountable
for her actions at this point, you know, like like
oh they do it, Like what your wife?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know? Like, yeah, I mean and Katie, here's the thing, though, Carlos,
she did own up to some of the things at
the very beginning of the episode or was that last
week's episode one of the episodes now I'm turning together,
but she she took my ability. But I'm sorry I
did do some of these things, So why are you
now going to continue to lie about things that are
so stupid about that?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
That's where I'm like, she really does have a bad
relationship with.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
The truth, and if not even to protect her own
family and her own you know, what, do you reputation.
It's like now it's to the point where it's like
it's just stupid lies about things She's already needed.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
She knows there's a voice recording.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So yeah, I think when it comes to Katie, I
think Katie has an unhealthy relationship with the audience, and
that audience includes her fans, the viewers of the show,
and the bloggers. I think Katie, because listen, I've been
doing this for almost twenty years, Alexis. I think Katie
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being a newbie, and I understand it when it's your
first season, her first season, it is it is it is.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It is something that is new to you.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Gratefully, Alexis, you were on The Real Housewives of OC
before social media blew up.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You were able to really live in your reality. Those
days are gone. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think Katie spent every available time going through social
media comments and because a lot of people just don't
like Tamera. I always say this, like I said about
Melissa Gorga. In my opinion, Melissa Gorga does not have fans.
She has Teresa Hayters. I don't think Katie has fans.
I think Katie has Tamra haters. And I think Katie
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got caught up in the matrix and started to befriend
bloggers and she really is played Katie to the audience.
And now that you're telling me what she said about
you on Watch What Happens Live indicates that little do
you know, Katie. If you go listen to a podcast,
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listen to my girlfriend, because Alexis really has their back
on my podcast when I was like, I don't think
she's this person, Alexis has their back, Katie. So instead
of you listening to the echo chamber of the bubble
that you're in, you should have listened to reality with
the game and really understood that had you're back unless your.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Back, and I will, I am will fill That's the thing.
I will be loyal to my friends and there everything
you know, I will. I will be little to a
fault with them. However, she should listen to her gut
to and the other part.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Carlos that you.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I don't know this or not, but Tamro was close
to Paiti and defended Patie and tried her hardest to
help Katie through this whole season, like she really did, so,
you know, even against the other women's wishes and everything else.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So I I don't know why. I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I think Katie's just scared. I think she's just been
so hated by the women and kind of iced out
a little bit. It looks like the women are not
nice to her.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I don't know if it's going to turn around. We
have a few more episodes to see, obviously, But yeah,
it's just she she had a different path she could
have taken.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Exactly exactly, instead of the path of Matt leading you
to self destruction because he believes his wife and you're
a liar, liar, pants on fire.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So before we move on to the office scene, what
I do want to address is this Katie said in
her confessional. If Tamara was so concerned about the recording,
why didn't she say anything?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Then why is she saying it now? As a producer.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I will say this because tamar is taping a reality shows.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You can complain about Tama.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Tamara does her job, Okay, she moves storyline forward, she
has conflict resolutions, skilled she takes she takes her job,
and she does her job. This is why she's the
longest living housewife or the longest you housewife, stint or whatever.
It's like, Okay, the girl knows how to do her job.
So at the end of the day, everyone can hate
whoever they want. If the show wouldn't exist without someone
like Tamarra to movie storyline on. I don't know why
(14:57):
she brought it up. I really don't. Maybe it was
a boring lunch or maybe something ignited you know, you
don't see a lot of us see you know that, right,
it's a huge it's filmed for hours and you get
one little snippet of it. Maybe something was said that
we didn't see that ignited it in hammer and she's
like and she just brought it up. I don't know,
but I just know that as well as you that
filming a reality show, a lot of footage isn't cut
(15:19):
because they have to.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Reduce it down.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And who knows why she brought it up, unless it's
to move storyline, or unless it's to call Katie out,
because she.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Did do that, you know, precisely, and for Tama Judge,
I thank you. Now I need to know this. One
thing about the OC that I love is the fact
that I like the petty beef. I like the petty drama.
Nothing made me laugh louder.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
In this episode, Alexis than Tamra accusing Jen of wearing
her old hair extensions and it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Admitted it that they put it in for five I mean,
you can't break this right. You can't even write this
the movie. She said. Jen said, oh, come on, Tamba.
They just clipped him in for fun. It was just funny.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
And then you know, we laughed about it. So I
personally think it's funny and I don't think anything I would.
I'd own it too if I was like, yeah, we
put im in to be funny. It's hysterical.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I hear your your weed was right here, your hair
was right here. I just stuck it in to take
it for a moment.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And I don't think Dinner of Soccer or want to
be I don't think she wants to be Tamra. I
think she is just trying to live her best life
and look like every other blonde bombshell here in southern California.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You know, well that that's the thing I was going
to ask you.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Is there a shortage of horses that is lacking in
oc where you can't cut the hair off of them?
Not saying you should shut off to Pita, but I'm saying,
like I thought that was the funniest thing. And Tamra, Listen,
Tamra is serious when she says, I believe that Jen
(16:58):
stalked me. I believe that Jim purpose purposely, you know,
went to the gym and did all these things to
get close to me to get on the show.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know Jim personally, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Do you see some validity in what Tamar is saying
about Jen allegedly being single white female.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
They have such a beef that I and I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I really don't understand where it comes from, because I
do like Jin.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
You know, we have distanced a little bit, but I
do like her.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I don't think no matter what gim she goes to, Okay,
Orange coummy small, no matter what restaurant you go to,
it's not single white female. Although tamer does have quite
a list of things that she goes down to. In
Tamra's mind, she does believe that right like she truly
does believe Jen wants to be her. I look at
it as an outsider, loving Tamar, she's one of my besties,
(17:50):
and loving liking Jen a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I feel like there is.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
No single white bee won't. Like I've said it before,
it's like you walk down the street. We aren't all
dark haired, light skin. We are like tan, blonde, blues, lips, botox.
That's the look here in Califrinia. So I don't think
that anyone single white femaling Tamra because they want to
do the same thing that most of.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Them, you know, women here are doing and let it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Maybe everybody is single white female Pamela and the different Baywatch.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Maybe maybe maybe her in her.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Red swim throat running through the beach.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Maybe maybe maybe that's the Pulsted child forward.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
But you know, one thing that Jen did say as
a clapback is look, Tamara was my body. She got
the tummy talk to look like me and was send photos.
So look, one thing about Jen, Jen is not backing
down from Tamra.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Now that's what I'm telling you they have such a beef,
and I really do want to know like what it
comes from, because I was kind of in the middle
of it, like when I was filming Season eighteen, because
I was doing the situation.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
On my eye.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean loved Tamra, loved Jin, and I'd have to
be like, Okay, both of you, don't say a word
about the other person, because I'm in the middle and
I'm printed both of you talk about I don't want
to hear anything about Jen.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I don't want to hear anything about Tamara period.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So I had to like look really hard because you know,
there's so much filming going on and you're kind of
stuck in the middle of it all. I don't understand
their beats, and I wish that there wasn't such a
animosity there. There's just a lot on both sides, both
of them, and you could tell in that scene, but
that scene not like it was.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It was intense and neither of them were backing down.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So I do want to go there now with it too,
because when Tamar and Jan sat down, I I'm going
to be honest here.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love a one on one with two housewives.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I think is the perfect moment to address everything without
the other women there either agony interrupting you. I need
things to be clear as day as something comical or
shady always comes out of it. When I look at
tamar and Jen, look, I know Gretchen is back, and
(20:11):
we'll get to that in a second. In my opinion, Alexis,
I think Tamarra and.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Jen's bank Suddenly I can't hear you, all right.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'll start hang on, say it again, testing one.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Two three, Okay, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Okay, when I look at Tamra and Jen, in my opinion,
this is giving me old school Tamara Gretchen, I think,
and Gretchen's back. We're gonna see what happens later in
the season. But I'm telling you right now, this season,
I'm obsessed with the beef between Tamra Jen because they
(20:52):
are both hysterical and they do not back down from
each other. And when I look at Jen, I think
Jen has come a force to be reckoned with on
this show. And that's why I think she should stay
on for as long as the show was there. Because
I always said this to me. She breathes, oh see,
(21:12):
and I like the fact that she can stand up
for herself, and she did that in this scene. You know,
look the accusation of cheating came up. Jen said, look,
you cheated too. Tamer said, I was out of my marriage,
meaning she moved out when she started seeing Eddie.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Jen said same thing with me.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I just start seeing Ryan until I was I was,
you know, out the house, out of my marriage or whatever,
not divorce.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But technically away from the marriage. What your thoughts on
that is, is that considered cheating to you? And is
that true based on your knowledge?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I think every divorce a has to handle that topic
on their own and go with their own world. I mean,
the minute Jim and I, you know, knew we were
going to get a divorce. At that point, the narrows
is over. I don't think it's cheating at all. I
think if you once you've said we're done, I mean,
if you have to wait for the divorce finalize, which
a lot of people believe in that you have to.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You might have to wait two to three years for
some divorces.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
So it's like you're not going to spend that whole
too with when you're saying and still you're you're still
married with this guy when you're out living together. So
I wasn't there when Tamra met Eddie, so I don't
know for sure what was happening. I'm going to take
it at face volume book that she said when she
said I have maked.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Out, saying with Jin.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But there is the rumor going around that both of
them have cheated. I guess I didn't even know that
was that was part of it. But they're both sitting
there accusing each other of it and then saying no.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
But I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I was moved out, So I think it it doesn't
make any different. After you mentioned that you're can divorce,
I think, what do you think? Because I think at
that point, it's like, okay, we're done, let's move on.
Sign on the dog line when the line comes.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yes, no, what that was saying. I don't think it's cheating.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
If we both said we are divorcing each other and
we're going to move on from this marriage. I think
the moment two parties decide this marriage is heading towards
divorce and we're going to file, I think that's the
day you're able to start dating other people.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I don't think you should wait until the divorce is finalized,
because based on my history working with housewives and reality
stars who are going through divorce, it can sometimes take
years for the divorce to be finalized, especially when there's
lots of assets.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And children involved. It takes a while. So I don't
think it's cheating.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
However, Tamar did say, prompted by the shady producer, if
the professionals when when prompted by the producer, what is
the information that Jin? I mean, I'm sorry that Tamra
has on Gin. Tamar did say, there's yes, yes, no, yes.
(23:55):
Tamra says there's rumors that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Jin was involved with another guy before Ryan. Is that
true in the OC streets?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Alexis Billino, I do not know, And I am so
sorry that I can't dish any more Tea on this.
I did not know about that or about it until
you know all of us just now. So I And
here's the thing I have a hard time with. There
are so many false rumors that go around. There are
so many things that aren't true said about me, about
people I know, about Tamara, about Jen. Sometimes I just
look the other way and go, okay, is it real
(24:29):
or not? And and by the way does it even
matter At this point she's engaged to Ryan. It's like, well,
just not worry about what happened five years ago, ten
years ago, and stick to what's happening now.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Like, I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
And there was a rumor that Tamar and Eddie had cheeted,
and that was in one of the episodes, you know,
back in seasons five or eight or something or no,
maybe it was after that.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Now all the time runs together, but and I don't
think that was true. So it's like, I just I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
People like to talk.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think it's true in any town, not just O.
See by the way, I don't want to just a
bunch of doctors.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
No, no, that's the big Oh No, it's Listen. The
Housewives has spaned to like ten cities, so clearly it's
in every area.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
And that's the reason why the franchise is successful, because
they did a good job tapping into these cities where
it is like this community.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Where people do talk. And again it's like a nod
to Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
One thing I would like to say about Tamara is
I really enjoyed this scene between her and Sophie her daughter,
and for me, look, I know Tamar goes a bad
rap and I know that tamras sometimes to the audience
does not help herself. I always look at it like
Tamara is a good reality star because she's complex and
she's not perfect, and I think that's the beauty of
(25:44):
her as a reality star. The scene between her and
Sophie made me smile because it was nice to see
her in mother mode. And I always think when it
comes to reality stars, it's nice to have that balance.
And that's the reason why last season, Alexis when you
were on and you came to my podcast and I
was on yours too, one thing we talked about was
(26:07):
the sort of unfortunate nature of you being a friend
because it prevented the world from seeing your full life.
Right you were subjected to only being the friend into
these other women's reality and not unfortunately having your full
reality be shown. Talk to me about the importance of
(26:29):
having these scenes where you are mother and people seeing
your life, because I felt that that scene really did
help balance out Tamar this season.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, it just that's what I.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Miss about the show too, because back season five to eight,
when I was on, it was even as a full
time versus a friend also, but it was a lot
more of your family life shown and real talk to
have with your husband, some real moments you have with
your kids, like when one of my kids the other
one of the twins, the other twin, and I had
to take all their you know, their lipstick and everything.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You don't get the same one your sister. So I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I love that scene with Tamara, and it does show
her how like she is a good mom, She is
close to her kids, she would die for her kids,
you know, just like every other mom. And yeah, it's
the reality of real life that then people can kind
of go, oh, I can relate to that instead of
just all the bickering and the lies and rumors and
(27:27):
gossip that happens, which is doocy and not that keeps
everyone coming back. But it is good to see with
all the all the housewives, their mother little skills and
what it's like, you know, just bring it home for everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I agree with you, and I think, look Tamra, obviously,
unfortunately there's other children she have that I believe there's
one or two if I'm not mistaken, maybe one who
isn't speaking to her. Currently, but I think, look, I
think it's brave that any mother decides to get on
reality television, and I think it's for the kids to
(28:00):
say yes. And I think there's something complicated about kids
growing up into reality television, and there's something complicated about
going through divorce when you have kids. I think sometimes,
not all the time, Sometimes kids do pick sides and
it's hard to navigate. And that's why I give Tamra
all the props in the world for being honest about
(28:22):
the relationship she's happened with her children and the complexities
of what that is. Now, with that being said, I'm
going to transition into Heather de Bro meeting with Katie.
In this scene, Alexis, Heather Debro confronts Katie about a
(28:44):
conversation she had with Tamera where there's a radio host
named ki Ki Monique High Kiki.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
She has a show with Real Housewives of New York
Legend Derinda.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I believe it's called Reality Checked. I've been a guest
on it. Keiki Monique is fantastic. She's not a blogger,
she's a radio host, and I believe she's a comedian.
Long story short, Heather confronted Katie and said, Tamar did
tell me that you met with a blogger named Keikim
Monique and to give information to her, And Katie looked
(29:24):
visibly shocked by the accusation and denied it. Do you
believe Katie was surprised by the accusation because it wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No, I think Katie, once again, well, was dumbfounded it.
She gottling again, like it's almost like you know, your
mom tells you not to touch the stove and oh,
you'll get burnt, and you keep touching it and you
keep getting burnt. I feel like Katie's like, especially after
last night, what happened with me. It's I do believe
she doesn't think she actually says what she she does
(30:00):
say or did what she will do. I think she
might actually have an issue that, like some kind of
issue with going, oh did I do that?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And then remembering it. But it's too she's already lied
about it. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Nothing else makes sense to me. I don't understand, but
I have heard about the peepee thing, and I do.
I will have to wait and see what happens on
the couple episodes, but I think you're gonna see too
a lot more to that situation.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Alexis Beenlina, are you saying to me that this is
just the beginning of what I think?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't get the
screeners anymore. I don't know. All I feel like is
they're setting us up.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
They're setting us up to let us think or there's
something going to be more about the peepe thing er.
It wouldn't have just gotten brought up, you know. And
Katie does keep getting caught in the lie. Katie did
act shocked, But to me, when I was watching that pain,
I thought she was acting shocked because she was like
how did this get out? You know, That's more what
I was reading from the situation. And so we'll see, I,
(31:02):
you know, kind of kind of let that as a footpanger,
you know. But I think it's there's there's going to
be more.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I hope. I want to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I just want to know, Like I want to sit
down with Katie and have her take a light detector test,
like for like ten minutes and ask her like twenty
five of the questions would women are thinking she's light about?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
And see what the flight detector tests them do?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Because I think it probably burned like I think the
paper would start to like fry, you know, from the thing.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Don't trace you. I don't understand the lies. I don't
get it. It's all line one one for a fire
truck to come put the.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Liear liear Katie's on fire.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay, look, listen, I'm going to keep watching obviously, Alexis.
I would love you to come back on because you
bring to me so much insight and intail about this show.
And look, it's a gift to have you on recapping
these episodes with me because I really am fascinated by
(32:05):
that world.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And listen, you are the icon that.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Helped build this franchise into to me, currently the best
one out there. So I thank you for your services.
Alexis Blina, Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, all right, So rain
Drops catches again the next time. But Alexis, but anything
going on that you want to promote let your fans
(32:29):
know about.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Although I know how you are planning your wedding and
I'm sure you're you're like and you dated with that,
I am.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I am in deep and I didn't realize I've been
so nonchalant about it up until now that we're getting
down to wire, and it's like, even with the team
I have behind me, I'm like, oh, I'm eating, sleeping, drinking,
you know, dreaming, like all wedding stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So there's just a lot of facets and things that.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
You have to that when it comes down the clothes
that you have to start narrowing down and getting down.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So yeah, exciting, exciting, all right. I love you, Alexive
and I'll see you all the next one.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Bye. Reality with the King is executive produced by me
Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with
the Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on
my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore
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