February 7, 2023 • 35 mins
Jerry Seinfeld famously joked about bathroom stall doors in public bathrooms that don’t go to the floor. It’s a hilarious comedy bit but Jason and Peter take bathroom privacy very seriously, so they had to find the definitive answer. This led them to award winning, public restroom expert, Chad Kaufman who revealed the real reason stall doors aren’t longer AND the shocking truth about bathroom hand blowers.
As their investigation deepened, they realized that inadequately sized bathroom doors are just a symptom of a much larger problem in our homes and online. Most of us seem to be okay with the just…the illusion of privacy!
So Jason and Peter spoke to world renown white-hat hacker Ralph Echemendia about privacy, hacking and the end of passwords.
And to help us retain some dignity now that post Covid many of us are back to work, out and about and forced to use public restrooms, we enlisted the help of an etiquette expert, Diane Gottsman. She offers suggestions and some ground rules for making a trip to the restroom just a bit more comfortable.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Now really Hello, Hello, welcome, Welcome to our show, ladies
and gentlemen. My name is Jason Alexander, internationally beloved comedy
superstar and television icon from the nineties. And this is, uh,
this is my new show. It's not mine alone. I
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would be foolish to even suggest to you. I am
here with with my best friend, Mr Peter Tilden. Peter
say hello, Hello, thank you. And when I say when
I say best friend, that's probably an exaggeration of some kind.
It's Peter's a good friend. You're a good friend, Pete.
You're a very good friend. By the way. I love
how you three seconds into the podcast, or for any
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diminished me already, or you're covering your bet because other
friends are not calling. I have other friends and I
don't want them to feel slighted. So you're you're you're
one of my top five good friends. I'm just I'm
just at such. Let me tell you how Peter and
I met. Peter was was a a talk radio guy
here in Los Angeles, and uh, I was a guest
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on the show. I was probably I think it was
probably the second year of Seinfeld and we had such
a good time on the air that by the time
we ended the program, Peter said, Hey, do you wanna
you wanna go grab breakfast? And I went, you know
what I kind of do, and you what happened. I
became one of his top five friends. That's right. During
that breakfast you went from from really zero, you moved
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right up. It was amazing. By the way, gives you
some indication how quickly case Lit jettison a friend from
the top finals, or or some indication that I only
had three on the list. All right, so let's get serious.
So the premise of our show, Ladies and Gentlemen, uh,
we talked about on this show the things that annoying us,
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that make us crazy or that or that baffle us,
things that we hear it. And what do we say, Peter,
We say, really, really, that can't be because I think
it's right. Things we don't understand, things that annoy Uce
and I remembered so clearly the other day because I
was in I was at the airport getting ready, and
I'm in the I'm in the restroom. I'm in the
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public restroom, and I remember as I go in, I'm
looking at this thing and I'm giggling because I remember
Jerry Seinfeld, my old my old buddy, my old boss,
does a routine about why is it in these restrooms
that the door on the stall doesn't go all the
way down to the floor? What is that all about?
And he talks to he I don't remember his bit exactly,
but it's it's why why do we need the little
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viewing window at the bottom to see your sad, pathetic
pants and your forlorn shoes? And you know, he just
does this whole thing, and I'm in there and I'm going,
you know, he's absolutely right. He's absolutely right, because I'm
sitting in there and I can see people. I can
see through the cracks of the doors. I see under
the window. I see people stop there staring in. People
are knocking. Why are they? Why are they knocking if
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there's a window at the bottom, why are they? Like
that's what it's for? Why is it? Why? Where is
my privacy? Why can't I have in a public restaurant?
Why can't I have a little bit of privacy? Why
can't this be my area? Peter? Why have I know? Privacy?
Privacy may just be an illusion because in the bathroom
they pipe in the little music, they put a door.
That's two thirds of the door is up, one third's missing.
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You got cracks in the side. I mean when you're
sitting on the toilet and you can count people to
see people walking by, that's not a whole lot of privacy.
And then you start realizing in our houses all of
the interconnected crap that we buy, the smart devices, we
point cameras at ourselves, we put listening devices in room ourselves.
We're looking at our neighbor's camera, which is surveilling, and
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we seem to be okay with that. As we buy
more products, we're going to find all about the the
illusion of privacy in our home and on the internet.
But first we have to start with the bathroom to
sign fell leading of why oh why does the bathroom
door not go to the floor. So joining us now
is they were acted an award winning bathroom designer and
the president say what now, the President? There is an award?
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Is an award? I can't get an Emmy, and this
guy's picking up awards for tiling. Good. So, Jason, I'm excited.
I can tell. I can tell you're excited. You're all
a tingle. I can feel. It is such an ass
um Chad Coufman's with listening, owner of the restroom company.
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What an intro? Chad signs, coming on, I'm happy to
be here. Wait wait, wait, before before he asks this question,
I just gotta ask. I gotta ask in fifty words
or less. You're a young man. Your whole life is
of you. How the hell did you go down this
road that you're you're you're building toilets? What? What? What?
What happened? Fifty words or less? Give it the abridged version.
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All right, my father this was my father's idea. So
I was born in Reenwich, Connecticut, and my dad was
a custom homebuilder, and then he got this crazy idea
that he wanted to build restrooms for public parks. Keep going, okay,
how many We're almost there? Short. My life is going
down the toilet and here I am. So that's that, son,
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We've built an empire. Here I need you. Did you
build it? I inherited it from my dad, sister and
my sister and I run it. How great would that
be if your parents had something you can inherit it
was my parents had left me anything, it would have
been great. Anything. Uh you know what I heard it?
Chad and Security and anxiety and heart disease. That's where
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my parents left me and probably prostrates stuck too. So
thanks thanks to Chad. Here's some statistics that concern you.
Of office workers excited having to use the bathroom as
a prime reason they're stressed about returning to the office
because of the pandemic. Don't say they're uncomfortable going number
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two and a stranger in non environment, and three and
ten are little pishy and sixties six of American workers
admit to holding it in to avoid using their workplace restroom.
You're not doing a good enough job, obviously. Let me
tell you I hold it in at a friend's house. Peter,
you would, Peter, you've been coming to my house for
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thirty years. I don't think you've ever gone number two
in my house. Have You don't break my confidence? What
I do is I eat cheese and rice before it comes.
Someone bound up and just make sure I try and
time it all right? Do we want to get the answer?
Do we want? Here's the really? Not really? Here's the reason,
thank god, why we called Chad. This is the big answer,
the reason the bathroom stole door does not go all
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the way down to the floor is hit it, Chad.
So they could clean it well, they can clean clean
water floor because no one likes well. Certain certain areas
they take a hose and they hose it down, and
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then certain areas they mop right, and then you can't
mop underneath because there's something that goes to the floor. Right.
So this is not for our protection our privacy. This
is so the janet. This is so the guy can
come in with a bucket of water, soapy water and
just flash it across the floor, goes down the drain
and it saves you time. And boy, what a cleaning
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technique that is. And they made better airflow, right, there's
better airflow. We don't want. We don't want air flow.
Let me tell you something, Mr award winner, Hey, Mr
award winner. If I'm install one, I don't need airflow
from stall three. But Jason, the key to pollution is delution,
my friend, remember my god, Hey, Mr award winner. They
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have a thing called event. The technical term is fart
fan part fans. Sure there we go alright, speaking that, Peter,
let me say we got the answer. Let's so it's
they don't go to the floor. So sometime with them up,
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you do what can save three minutes cleaning the bathroom,
and to that we say the name of the show.
Really no, really, yeah, listen, nobody wants that job. That
man should have. That man should have a pension, That
man should have healthcare. That man or woman that doesn't
have to be that person should have benefits like like
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presidents don't have. I think without that person we would
all be very very unhappy. But really, is it that
big a deal to open the door and slash a
little more with the thing study that was done this
this one is really worrisome because with COVID you didn't
want to touch stuff, and a lot of bathrooms have handblowers.
What I didn't allignes is every time a little list
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toilet is flushed, it aerosolizes a fine mist of microbes.
This vehicle cloud can disperse over Stoud Harvard, and when
someone flushes, it spreads through the air, and when it
comes in contact with a hand dryer, the colony multiplies.
So basically, you're taking your average small fecal colony and
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you're saying, let's explode this sucker. Why are we using
heated dryers if we know this hand dryers, if we
know that, we're spreading that that way? Is this a
question for me? I comment, Wow, this is a this
is going to be deep. It was. It's literally because
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of vandalism. If you're in a in a restaurant, you
can have paper towels, right because the kids that are
thinking of any possible way to vandalize this public restroom,
why would you want to? I don't know, got it.
They'll light They'll take their lighter and they'll just set
it on fire. So what's the alternative? A hand dryer?
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Really some of the new technology like Dyson. I use
a Dyson hand dryer. It actually where it sucks in
the bathroom air has heap of filters. Okay, all right,
I just wanted to know that from me out, I'm
trying to help the public health. One last question, one
last question for you, because I know that you probably
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are joking aside, do a lot of metrics and analysis
to build your things. What is it about people trashing
Westerns like you said, lighting on fire? I worked at
a radio station this with people I know, and on
on Monday morning when you come in, it looks like
they gave a series of gibbons acid micro dose and
let them loosen the bathrooms. There's stuff everywhere, toilets or stuff.
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Things are carved, People have card messages into the toilet lid.
I mean, what's going on in there that people have
to relieve their anxiety by by ruining a restroom. They
know they've got to come back in there. By the way,
you're gonna use it again. I don't know. It's maybe
like the analogy of a rental car, right, it's it's
not my car, it's not my bathroom. I don't, I don't,
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I don't, but I don't care about what it looks
like after I leave that facility. Yeah. By the way,
can I just say I've been silent for a while
because I threw up in my mouth a little on
fecal cloud. That was Hey, Chad, seriously, thank you so
much for being here. You are such a good sport.
You allot us play with you. You took it in
the shorts for your whole industry, and congratulations on your reward.
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And by the way, people should know you are quite
the philanthropist. You offered the city of San Francisco a
free public toilet, which is uh, they we're gonna put
up a public restroom for one point seven million dollars.
So you got it for free. You saved them one
point seven million dollars. The taxpayers of San Francisco should
all be saying, my god, let's say thank you, Chad Kaufman, Jason,
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thank you for making me laugh for so many years. Really, no, man,
it was like one of my favorite shows. Really it was.
It was it was our pleasure second second about me anything, anything.
It was a pleasure to second. Take care the other reasons.
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The bathroom stall doesn't go to the floor. It's more
affordable to scourge his bad behavior. It can't be used
as an escape root, it keeps lines moving, and as
seen in the Stall episode twelve, season five, as Seinfeld,
toilet paper can be shared. All right, I should explain
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that was our producer, David Guggenheim from no one known
as Googleheim, who apparently wants airtime. Who's going to jump
in if he feels the need to explain, correct or
clarify things as the show goes on. So thank you, David. Hi, Bob,
mother must be so proud. So we look at we
are learning. We are learning. This is not just an
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entertainment show. In fact, I don't think this is an entertainment.
But I'm maintaining you disagree in publicly Bubba glass room
or public, but when I go home, I got privacy.
Don't punch, don't punch it, don't punch a hole in it.
Why do I bother with you? The whole thing that
you missed was at the bathrooms. We sacrifice and make
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ourselves believe there's privacy in the bathroom. And and yes,
there is an illusion of privacy in your home also, Jason,
an illusion, Jason. What people don't realize I think, I
think is that Amazon and these companies that are listening
in and selling us these products. And by the way,
I should say motion detectors, cameras, smart light, so the
garage door openers which know when you come in and
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when you leave, blenders, wrist bands, um fitbits, toothbrushes, pet feeders,
all the stuff that's in lenders, anything that's interconnected, it's
smart and it's a smart item talks to interconnected blender.
What a blender? By the way, everything is almost interconnected.
But you know what they're calling Amazon not a retail company,
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but the reason that they want to buy I Robot,
the robot vacuum company, for instance, is that they happen
to be a surveillance company and the reason they're buying
an I robot. So now they know the dimensions on
the inside of your house. So they're getting as much
as they can from your health information, all of your information,
and it just feeds it all out there in like
a fire hose of information that you were willingly giving out.
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Your part of that. You're saying, Okay, for the convenience,
I'm willing to do it. But I don't know that
we we realize just how much information we're giving up.
I want to say for the record, this is why
I have my own vacuum. I I have a vacuum.
And I'll tell you something else. I know where you're
gonna go. You're gonna go. You'd a vacuum. You've got
a person of vacuums. I'm vacuum. I am a sweeper
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and a vacuum. So Amazon, you do not know the
dimensions in my house. You don't know where the safe
room is. You don't know where the safe is man,
and I may surprise you, do you know why I
will never get an eye robot. And my wife's birthday
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is coming up, and she said I would really like
she wanted a bid day, which I don't I don't know,
I don't know if they're smart to days, but she
wants something a couple of things, but she wants an
I robot type thing, and you know I won't get one.
Tell me because we have a dog. These people went
to bed one night and the thing was cleaning and
the dog had had diarrhea, and the eye robot does
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not know that, so it's not trying. They woke up
their entire every inch of their house was it went
through there and spread it everywhere. So that's not that's
my reason. I don't care anyone who says that this
podcast is not chock full of information. That's fantastic. So
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if you have a dog, you don't want to a
vacuum robot in k there's a mishap that's that was
more valuable than why the door doesn't go down to
the floor. We are every segment of this show. The
information level is more impactful and more important, more relevant.
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WHOA WHOA, guys, hang on oh J that music needs
We're not just hearing from producer Google Heim. We now
have producer Laurie Crimmy wang In or as we call
her queen critiqua, yes, your highness, what do we do wrong?
Hang on stop? Amazon is not the only one that
does this. And I have a few packages arriving today,
and if they do not get here, there is going
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to be a problem. Alright, Amazon, Google, Facebook, TikTok, they're
all surveillance gathering. I didn't mean to pick out just
just Amazon, and I don't want to piss off Bezos.
Thank you. I'm beginning to think it's possible that Jeff
Bezos nos, I've fortrayed him twice in a somewhat unflattering
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white I mean, I got asked by Jon Stewart and
uh and Jimmy Kimmels separately to do bits where I so. Uh.
The Kimmel bit was we did Bezos the Musical, which
was actually I think destined for a Broadway future, but
again perhaps not not exactly the way Jeff would like
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to see himself portrayed in the public. So, Jason, as
we're doing this episode which it starts out with bathroom
privacy and goes to home privacy. And now I know
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that I'm sitting right here, I can follow the show.
I follow the program. Peter's not a children's book. I
don't need to have you know, reintroduced every moment. If
I have followed the plot, go ahead, all right, mr,
follow the plot, Jason. If you're you're ahead of me,
I guess you realize you're nothing more than content in
a skin suit. Really, it's averaging on my resume and
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special skills. All those quizzes about find out your elf
name or find out your porn name, when you put
in first street and your first pet, they're basically just
fishing for all of your log in information. So to
quote George Costanza, is that wrong? Should I not have
done that? So? So yeah, okay, I'm I'm hearing. I'm
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picking up what you're putting down. So in a bigger
issue as far as privacy, I wanted to get on
an ethical hacker. We got an ethical hacker. An ethical hacker.
There's white hat, there's black hat, there's formerly black hat,
there's gray hat, there's green hat, there's red hat. The
hell are youtub exactly? So white hat hacker has the
hacking skills, came over, possibly from the dark side, but
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is now employed in Russell, employed by movie studios and countries.
Ralph helped to help the certain rough has been to
discern Ralph hacker. You got a last name or is
it just Amia? I'm sorry, Ralph Comendia Ecamendia. Oh my gosh,
let's move. Let's go to how I got that information out?
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You say, I've been trying to give it for five
freaking minutes. Ralph Ecamendia is an ethical hacker, and I
wanted to find out for us. As far as privacy
has that ship sailed. Privacy is kind of an illusion
when it comes to to the cyber world in the
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sense that we have never really defined what that means
in a technical or digital form. We have kind of
defined it to some degree in the physical world. I
joke around and say, well, why do we have doors
in the bathroom. We're not doing anything wrong, but we
all have to go poop, don't we. So it really is, uh,
it's the same. You know, we have not defined that
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in the digital realm. We have not said, okay, well
this is what we feel should be private across the words.
Should your name be private? Should your so security number
be private? Should your password be private? Well, the truth
is that's kind of a personal choice, right we share passwords.
Netflix has a big problem with that these days, right,
we share email addresses, we share all kinds of information
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that we share. So the truth is we've never really
defined it. So it's never really existed in the same
sense that we would define it in the physical realm.
Well we have, I mean, is anybody we've kind of
defined it? Let me, let's prove something here, Jason. Passwords.
Now they have all of this stuff where it's the
not only password, you're gonna second form of I bet
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you have bad password, but you have fantastic passwords. I
am fantastic. How do you remember them? How do you remember? All? Right,
I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you something, but I'm not
going to give away. Let's do it after. Let's let's
hear what Ralph, what do you have to say about passwords?
We are, by the way, heading into a no password
world in the future. There are enough things in the
technology we use that The truth is, you can identify
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a person without a password, facial recognition, you know, your
thumb print. Uh, there's actually all kinds of hardware specifics
in your laptop end or phone that actually could you know,
tell the you know the site or whatever you will,
um that it's you so we are headed towards a catastrophe.
(21:23):
That's a catastrophe if you're not seen. Mission impossible. A
guy puts on my rubber face, he gets my thumb
print off a piece of Scotch tape. I don't want
any of that. I've got passwords. And let me tell
you something. Nobody's getting past my passwords. All right, you
want to know, you want to know. I'll give you
a hint to my system. Anything I'm using a password
on reminds me of either a song or a Shakespearean quote,
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or something I've said in my life, and I used
the quote and I somehow maybe reduce it in some
way to be so, you'd have to know the way
my brain thinks, and about that thing, what connections I
make to that side. And no one's getting past my passwords.
My wife occasionally gets past my passage. And by the way,
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I'm laughing because she said, nobody's getting because no, you'd
have to know how I think. Now, who would possibly
know who I think? Other than I don't know? Maybe
someone who knows and monitors every click of your keyboard,
that sees everything you order, that ever sees every show
you watch, It knows every time you dim the lights,
that knows every time you leave your house that has
a navigation on you. Who would know that? You know,
(22:33):
I'm gonna put out my own eyes at the end
of this episode this is you are the voice of
Doom and Gloom. I would like to believe that I
could take a shower or a shave without having telecasts
of the world. You know that I like pizza with
with anchovies. You you're being viewed by people in the shower.
Don't think it's gonna be a problem, not gonna be
a huge search. I don't think that's good. No one
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wants to see. You're absolutely right, because I've seen it
and and I'll never get that image out of my
own eyes. So you're right, let's let's let's live. Not
even not even in the amagin of raph. We give
out so much personal information online, sharing passwords and stuff
because we haven't been hacked yet. Are we delusional as
far as our safety online and privacy? Are we basically
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lying to ourselves because we don't want to confront how
much stuff is out there? Absolutely, people do lie about
whether or not they've given out information like their password
or other information. In fact, even just your email address.
You've got to keep in mind that every time we
meet with somebody, I mean, whether you style a business
card or you're you're doing that little QR code scan,
you have to give out your email. Well, your email
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tests to be your user name in many platforms, especially
in corporate environments, so you're giving out your user name
right without even noticing it, without even realizing it. But
even just passwords and sharing passwords. And of course if
you're ass to say no, I've never done that, but
the truth is that you have. And there's so many
other elements of privacy. Like I said, you know the
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sort of pin or personal identifying pieces of data that
we give out all the time, from birth dates and
all that kind of stuff, and if you're on a website,
you believe that it's real. I can't tell you how
many times, you know. What one story I can tell
you about is where a very well known Hollywood director
was easily fished and then every person that he communicated
would then send an email from that director saying, hey,
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check out this this little piece of a movie. I
want you to tell me what you think. Immediately when
you clicked on the link, you were prompted with a
email Passford type of prompt. Of course this was not real.
And you know how many people felt for that hundreds
So you believe what you see on a computer. And
that's just so easy to to fool people into believing
that this is real. So we tend to give up
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so much information willingly and knowingly, way too often. All right,
So how vulnerable are we? Exactly? How far along are
we with getting all our information stolen? You know, you
see these movies where guys living a smart home, you know, Billy,
you've never a smart home, and a criminal can hack
in and can get all this information just for hacking
in at the weakest point and then takes over the
guy's life. Is that even plausible today? Are are we
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at that point? It's very very very probable and very
possible to do today. And again there's no stopping this
this train when it comes to smart homes and smart everything, right,
smart cars and all the other smart things that are coming.
In fact, that's one of the big concerns with things
like smart cars. And imagine, you know, you can take
over somebody's car and just kill him mother. You know,
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they can't even get out of the car really really,
we're at that point, Ralph. All I gotta say is
I'm glad you're an ethical hacker and I hope there
are lots like you working to solve these problems. And uh,
before you go, and thanks for coming on. Do you
have a question for Jason? Hey, Jason, So I gotta
ask you how many passwords what George Constanza have and
does he change him every thirty days? How many passwords
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would George have? Well, we know about Bosco that one
was forced out of the right. We know at one
point tippy toe tippy doe is a big I think
a safe word. I think that was a safe word tip.
You gotta get keep you the thing you know, you
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know how. And this is true even with my fantastic system.
Every now and then I'll go to a side I
haven't used in a couple of years, and you have
to put in your password, and for the life I
cannot remember what the hell And then it goes forgot
your password and there's an implied you idiot on that
forgot your password, and then you have to, you know,
re authenticate yourself all over again. That would be George's problem, George,
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George would come up with the most fantastic, you know,
crazy ideas for passwords, and he would remember them once
and that would be that would be the hious. By
the way, Ralph, Ralph the hacker bad. Listen, listen, listen
before had is Ralph? What what color hat does Ralph were?
I think it's if you're lucky, Jason White, because he's
(26:58):
already into your stuff. Look go up, look up, thrown
under the bus. Oh my god, Ralph. I take it
all back. Jason. You're good with me summarizing just briefly,
(27:20):
I'll keep it. I wish you was so Jay. It
appears the illusion of privacy in our homes is just
that because we keep putting more smart devices in our homes.
We've got a hundred thirty million households already had at
least one smart speaker, and people are buying more and
more online. It's pretty much that ship looks like it's sailing.
You can see it at the horizon and bathrooms. We
have no control over that, but it appears. And that's
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how we start our episode with the really relief. They're
never going to make the bathroom stall door go to
the floor, and the reason it doesn't there's no incentive
to do it. It's not a profit center for a store.
They lose money on that square footage um in every
place I work, like a department store, how much money
can I make per square foot? Lingerie and make up
makes a fortune. Bathroom losing proposition, losing proposition, losing proposition
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right because you don't go to like a nice department
store and say they've got a restroom there that is
just a delight. You wouldn't do that, right if it's
no public places usually not except high end you know,
high end places, will you pay like the Four Seasons
and it's called the White House? You know what if
anybody's been to the White House and seeing somebody using
the bathroom stall, does the door go all the way
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to the floor. I assume it does because privacy there
we had to state, well, or maybe Jay, it's even
higher because they don't trust anybody in there. Oh that's
you know what. That's interesting. Can you imagine? Can you
imagine if the only place in the White House where
you can have a secure conversation for real is in
the restroom with the stall that goes down to the floor.
That's your cone of silence right there. Then you then
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you invite people in. That's Mr Prime Minister, Mr Vice President,
could you join me? Install three plays and hopefully it's sealed,
because the guy install four is going I just heard
something about Israel and Denmark that I'll tell you about
as soon as I flush. And by the way, this
has peacemaking possibilities, because you know, if you've got two
countries and well you have two countries in stalls side
by side, countries don't get along, they hate each other.
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Suddenly here, by the way, could you spare a square?
Could you spare a square? You know what I'm referencing.
Could spare square? As long as I don't have I
don't have a square despair. As long as we don't
get into that situation, we might have world peace. The
other thing, Jason, is it takes us. So I don't
know about you, but most people, it takes you a
moment to relax. They don't want to give it to
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you because you know what happens as soon as you
relax and you have private, real privacy. With all the
phone apps you have, they did a study that said
the more apps you're having the phone, the longer you sit,
you never a private bathroom in a restaurant, you're never leaving.
You sit back. You're absolutely right because you know my
screen and once a week it goes your screen time
is up or down this week, and I noticed whenever
it says your screen time is down three percent, I've
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been a little bound up that week. I've been a
little bound up as I understand what your station. I
think maybe at the end of each episode we could
do something good and it probably won't be able to
do that, but have it in this episode. Since we're
returning to public restrooms in mass Um, I thought, if
we had to just have some ground rules, even more
civil to each other. As we're immersed in this delusion
of privacy, we can't do anything about. What if we
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had an etiquette expert to tell us some ground rules,
we all agree on it and it just makes that
experience a little more pleasant. Then we've done our work here.
So joining us now is a very respected etiquette expert
as a manufactures the founder of the Protocol School of Texas,
and she teaches business etiquete jation because some of the
top Fortune five hundred companies. Diane GutsMan, So Dane, forgive me,
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forgive me I'm gonna jump right in forgive the etiquette
in the restroom in the urinal world. What's the deal?
We look straight ahead? Is that okay? Look left? It right?
What do we do? You just go? You just go,
But you don't look. You don't you don't mention anything
you notice. You don't look. Is that what you don't look?
You don't look at your neighbors, look at yourself. I've
been thinking peking but commenting going good for you? Good? No,
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that's wrong. No comments. You just go if they're not
if they're not quite getting in the urinal, can I
make a comment? I got one for for your di nutation.
I remember going to the farmer's market in l A
and an older man. It was in the urinal too
away from me, and here's what I hear. Oh birth,
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Oh my god, oh my god. What do I do?
Do I say? Are you okay? Or what is etiquette there?
If it were really serious, Let's say you saw screaming,
can you say can I get you help? But if
you hear water works or something else going on, and
you know, you just know you're pretty safe, do you
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watch the flusher? I just really want to know. I
never I used my feet. I used my feet. I'm
in the bathroom, my feet open the door. I brushed
my hair with my feet. Let me ask you the
one other thing that I that it doesn't usually come
up in a public restroom, but it often comes up
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when visiting a friend or you know, being at a party.
So you you have used the facility, and now you've flushed,
and something has gone terribly wrong and the water is
rising rather than sinking, and there's going to be a problem. Yes,
do you a run for help? Do you be leave
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immediately and deny everything? Do you see what I mean?
You're so embarrassing, it's so humiliated. So what you have
to do is you have to own it. You have
to tell, you have to say, and this is how
you're gonna say it. You're gonna go to Peter at
you know, you at this house. You have now plugged
that toilet. It's now overflowing. You're gonna whisper in Peter's here.
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You know, I know you don't want to know preface
it with I know you'd want to know. Someone really
need to go. I hate to tell you, I know
you want to know that bathroom meets some attention immediately.
(33:27):
And by the way, you're also horizons. Oh my gosh,
and don't telling people's medicine cabinets. Don't look in their showers.
Come on, say come on, come on people, really big
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thank you to today's guests. Chad Costin, the president of
the Public Restroom Company, and by the way, update chat
actually did save the city of San Francisco over four
hundred thousand dollars with his donation of a modular prefabricated bathroom.
You can find him at the Public Restroom Company dot com.
And cybersecurity expert and ethical hacker Ralph Echamendia, who has
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worked with Oracle Microsoft as an advisor on the Snowden
movie and the TV series Mr. Robot. He's at r
Ekamen on Instagram. That's e H E. M. E. N.
And Diane Gossman, etiquette expert and the founder of the
Protocols School of Texas. Diane specializes in executive leadership and
business etiquette training and is the author of Modern Etiquette
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for a Better Life. You can find her at protocol
School of Texas dot com or on Instagram at Diane Gotsman.
And of course you can follow really No Really on
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Thank you to producers Lauria Crimmy and David Unkenheim a
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k A. Google him, and thank you, of course to
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hm
Now really Hello, Hello, welcome, Welcome to our show, ladies
and gentlemen. My name is Jason Alexander, internationally beloved comedy
superstar and television icon from the nineties. And this is, uh,
this is my new show. It's not mine alone. I
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would be foolish to even suggest to you. I am
here with with my best friend, Mr Peter Tilden. Peter
say hello, Hello, thank you. And when I say when
I say best friend, that's probably an exaggeration of some kind.
It's Peter's a good friend. You're a good friend, Pete.
You're a very good friend. By the way. I love
how you three seconds into the podcast, or for any
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diminished me already, or you're covering your bet because other
friends are not calling. I have other friends and I
don't want them to feel slighted. So you're you're you're
one of my top five good friends. I'm just I'm
just at such. Let me tell you how Peter and
I met. Peter was was a a talk radio guy
here in Los Angeles, and uh, I was a guest
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on the show. I was probably I think it was
probably the second year of Seinfeld and we had such
a good time on the air that by the time
we ended the program, Peter said, Hey, do you wanna
you wanna go grab breakfast? And I went, you know
what I kind of do, and you what happened. I
became one of his top five friends. That's right. During
that breakfast you went from from really zero, you moved
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right up. It was amazing. By the way, gives you
some indication how quickly case Lit jettison a friend from
the top finals, or or some indication that I only
had three on the list. All right, so let's get serious.
So the premise of our show, Ladies and Gentlemen, uh,
we talked about on this show the things that annoying us,
(01:54):
that make us crazy or that or that baffle us,
things that we hear it. And what do we say, Peter,
We say, really, really, that can't be because I think
it's right. Things we don't understand, things that annoy Uce
and I remembered so clearly the other day because I
was in I was at the airport getting ready, and
I'm in the I'm in the restroom. I'm in the
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public restroom, and I remember as I go in, I'm
looking at this thing and I'm giggling because I remember
Jerry Seinfeld, my old my old buddy, my old boss,
does a routine about why is it in these restrooms
that the door on the stall doesn't go all the
way down to the floor? What is that all about?
And he talks to he I don't remember his bit exactly,
but it's it's why why do we need the little
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viewing window at the bottom to see your sad, pathetic
pants and your forlorn shoes? And you know, he just
does this whole thing, and I'm in there and I'm going,
you know, he's absolutely right. He's absolutely right, because I'm
sitting in there and I can see people. I can
see through the cracks of the doors. I see under
the window. I see people stop there staring in. People
are knocking. Why are they? Why are they knocking if
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there's a window at the bottom, why are they? Like
that's what it's for? Why is it? Why? Where is
my privacy? Why can't I have in a public restaurant?
Why can't I have a little bit of privacy? Why
can't this be my area? Peter? Why have I know? Privacy?
Privacy may just be an illusion because in the bathroom
they pipe in the little music, they put a door.
That's two thirds of the door is up, one third's missing.
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You got cracks in the side. I mean when you're
sitting on the toilet and you can count people to
see people walking by, that's not a whole lot of privacy.
And then you start realizing in our houses all of
the interconnected crap that we buy, the smart devices, we
point cameras at ourselves, we put listening devices in room ourselves.
We're looking at our neighbor's camera, which is surveilling, and
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we seem to be okay with that. As we buy
more products, we're going to find all about the the
illusion of privacy in our home and on the internet.
But first we have to start with the bathroom to
sign fell leading of why oh why does the bathroom
door not go to the floor. So joining us now
is they were acted an award winning bathroom designer and
the president say what now, the President? There is an award?
(04:08):
Is an award? I can't get an Emmy, and this
guy's picking up awards for tiling. Good. So, Jason, I'm excited.
I can tell. I can tell you're excited. You're all
a tingle. I can feel. It is such an ass
um Chad Coufman's with listening, owner of the restroom company.
(04:31):
What an intro? Chad signs, coming on, I'm happy to
be here. Wait wait, wait, before before he asks this question,
I just gotta ask. I gotta ask in fifty words
or less. You're a young man. Your whole life is
of you. How the hell did you go down this
road that you're you're you're building toilets? What? What? What?
What happened? Fifty words or less? Give it the abridged version.
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All right, my father this was my father's idea. So
I was born in Reenwich, Connecticut, and my dad was
a custom homebuilder, and then he got this crazy idea
that he wanted to build restrooms for public parks. Keep going, okay,
how many We're almost there? Short. My life is going
down the toilet and here I am. So that's that, son,
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We've built an empire. Here I need you. Did you
build it? I inherited it from my dad, sister and
my sister and I run it. How great would that
be if your parents had something you can inherit it
was my parents had left me anything, it would have
been great. Anything. Uh you know what I heard it?
Chad and Security and anxiety and heart disease. That's where
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my parents left me and probably prostrates stuck too. So
thanks thanks to Chad. Here's some statistics that concern you.
Of office workers excited having to use the bathroom as
a prime reason they're stressed about returning to the office
because of the pandemic. Don't say they're uncomfortable going number
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two and a stranger in non environment, and three and
ten are little pishy and sixties six of American workers
admit to holding it in to avoid using their workplace restroom.
You're not doing a good enough job, obviously. Let me
tell you I hold it in at a friend's house. Peter,
you would, Peter, you've been coming to my house for
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thirty years. I don't think you've ever gone number two
in my house. Have You don't break my confidence? What
I do is I eat cheese and rice before it comes.
Someone bound up and just make sure I try and
time it all right? Do we want to get the answer?
Do we want? Here's the really? Not really? Here's the reason,
thank god, why we called Chad. This is the big answer,
the reason the bathroom stole door does not go all
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the way down to the floor is hit it, Chad.
So they could clean it well, they can clean clean
water floor because no one likes well. Certain certain areas
they take a hose and they hose it down, and
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then certain areas they mop right, and then you can't
mop underneath because there's something that goes to the floor. Right.
So this is not for our protection our privacy. This
is so the janet. This is so the guy can
come in with a bucket of water, soapy water and
just flash it across the floor, goes down the drain
and it saves you time. And boy, what a cleaning
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technique that is. And they made better airflow, right, there's
better airflow. We don't want. We don't want air flow.
Let me tell you something, Mr award winner, Hey, Mr
award winner. If I'm install one, I don't need airflow
from stall three. But Jason, the key to pollution is delution,
my friend, remember my god, Hey, Mr award winner. They
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have a thing called event. The technical term is fart
fan part fans. Sure there we go alright, speaking that, Peter,
let me say we got the answer. Let's so it's
they don't go to the floor. So sometime with them up,
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you do what can save three minutes cleaning the bathroom,
and to that we say the name of the show.
Really no, really, yeah, listen, nobody wants that job. That
man should have. That man should have a pension, That
man should have healthcare. That man or woman that doesn't
have to be that person should have benefits like like
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presidents don't have. I think without that person we would
all be very very unhappy. But really, is it that
big a deal to open the door and slash a
little more with the thing study that was done this
this one is really worrisome because with COVID you didn't
want to touch stuff, and a lot of bathrooms have handblowers.
What I didn't allignes is every time a little list
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toilet is flushed, it aerosolizes a fine mist of microbes.
This vehicle cloud can disperse over Stoud Harvard, and when
someone flushes, it spreads through the air, and when it
comes in contact with a hand dryer, the colony multiplies.
So basically, you're taking your average small fecal colony and
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you're saying, let's explode this sucker. Why are we using
heated dryers if we know this hand dryers, if we
know that, we're spreading that that way? Is this a
question for me? I comment, Wow, this is a this
is going to be deep. It was. It's literally because
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of vandalism. If you're in a in a restaurant, you
can have paper towels, right because the kids that are
thinking of any possible way to vandalize this public restroom,
why would you want to? I don't know, got it.
They'll light They'll take their lighter and they'll just set
it on fire. So what's the alternative? A hand dryer?
(10:08):
Really some of the new technology like Dyson. I use
a Dyson hand dryer. It actually where it sucks in
the bathroom air has heap of filters. Okay, all right,
I just wanted to know that from me out, I'm
trying to help the public health. One last question, one
last question for you, because I know that you probably
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are joking aside, do a lot of metrics and analysis
to build your things. What is it about people trashing
Westerns like you said, lighting on fire? I worked at
a radio station this with people I know, and on
on Monday morning when you come in, it looks like
they gave a series of gibbons acid micro dose and
let them loosen the bathrooms. There's stuff everywhere, toilets or stuff.
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Things are carved, People have card messages into the toilet lid.
I mean, what's going on in there that people have
to relieve their anxiety by by ruining a restroom. They
know they've got to come back in there. By the way,
you're gonna use it again. I don't know. It's maybe
like the analogy of a rental car, right, it's it's
not my car, it's not my bathroom. I don't, I don't,
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I don't, but I don't care about what it looks
like after I leave that facility. Yeah. By the way,
can I just say I've been silent for a while
because I threw up in my mouth a little on
fecal cloud. That was Hey, Chad, seriously, thank you so
much for being here. You are such a good sport.
You allot us play with you. You took it in
the shorts for your whole industry, and congratulations on your reward.
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And by the way, people should know you are quite
the philanthropist. You offered the city of San Francisco a
free public toilet, which is uh, they we're gonna put
up a public restroom for one point seven million dollars.
So you got it for free. You saved them one
point seven million dollars. The taxpayers of San Francisco should
all be saying, my god, let's say thank you, Chad Kaufman, Jason,
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thank you for making me laugh for so many years. Really, no, man,
it was like one of my favorite shows. Really it was.
It was it was our pleasure second second about me anything, anything.
It was a pleasure to second. Take care the other reasons.
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The bathroom stall doesn't go to the floor. It's more
affordable to scourge his bad behavior. It can't be used
as an escape root, it keeps lines moving, and as
seen in the Stall episode twelve, season five, as Seinfeld,
toilet paper can be shared. All right, I should explain
(12:37):
that was our producer, David Guggenheim from no one known
as Googleheim, who apparently wants airtime. Who's going to jump
in if he feels the need to explain, correct or
clarify things as the show goes on. So thank you, David. Hi, Bob,
mother must be so proud. So we look at we
are learning. We are learning. This is not just an
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entertainment show. In fact, I don't think this is an entertainment.
But I'm maintaining you disagree in publicly Bubba glass room
or public, but when I go home, I got privacy.
Don't punch, don't punch it, don't punch a hole in it.
Why do I bother with you? The whole thing that
you missed was at the bathrooms. We sacrifice and make
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ourselves believe there's privacy in the bathroom. And and yes,
there is an illusion of privacy in your home also, Jason,
an illusion, Jason. What people don't realize I think, I
think is that Amazon and these companies that are listening
in and selling us these products. And by the way,
I should say motion detectors, cameras, smart light, so the
garage door openers which know when you come in and
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when you leave, blenders, wrist bands, um fitbits, toothbrushes, pet feeders,
all the stuff that's in lenders, anything that's interconnected, it's
smart and it's a smart item talks to interconnected blender.
What a blender? By the way, everything is almost interconnected.
But you know what they're calling Amazon not a retail company,
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but the reason that they want to buy I Robot,
the robot vacuum company, for instance, is that they happen
to be a surveillance company and the reason they're buying
an I robot. So now they know the dimensions on
the inside of your house. So they're getting as much
as they can from your health information, all of your information,
and it just feeds it all out there in like
a fire hose of information that you were willingly giving out.
(14:28):
Your part of that. You're saying, Okay, for the convenience,
I'm willing to do it. But I don't know that
we we realize just how much information we're giving up.
I want to say for the record, this is why
I have my own vacuum. I I have a vacuum.
And I'll tell you something else. I know where you're
gonna go. You're gonna go. You'd a vacuum. You've got
a person of vacuums. I'm vacuum. I am a sweeper
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and a vacuum. So Amazon, you do not know the
dimensions in my house. You don't know where the safe
room is. You don't know where the safe is man,
and I may surprise you, do you know why I
will never get an eye robot. And my wife's birthday
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is coming up, and she said I would really like
she wanted a bid day, which I don't I don't know,
I don't know if they're smart to days, but she
wants something a couple of things, but she wants an
I robot type thing, and you know I won't get one.
Tell me because we have a dog. These people went
to bed one night and the thing was cleaning and
the dog had had diarrhea, and the eye robot does
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not know that, so it's not trying. They woke up
their entire every inch of their house was it went
through there and spread it everywhere. So that's not that's
my reason. I don't care anyone who says that this
podcast is not chock full of information. That's fantastic. So
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if you have a dog, you don't want to a
vacuum robot in k there's a mishap that's that was
more valuable than why the door doesn't go down to
the floor. We are every segment of this show. The
information level is more impactful and more important, more relevant.
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WHOA WHOA, guys, hang on oh J that music needs
We're not just hearing from producer Google Heim. We now
have producer Laurie Crimmy wang In or as we call
her queen critiqua, yes, your highness, what do we do wrong?
Hang on stop? Amazon is not the only one that
does this. And I have a few packages arriving today,
and if they do not get here, there is going
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to be a problem. Alright, Amazon, Google, Facebook, TikTok, they're
all surveillance gathering. I didn't mean to pick out just
just Amazon, and I don't want to piss off Bezos.
Thank you. I'm beginning to think it's possible that Jeff
Bezos nos, I've fortrayed him twice in a somewhat unflattering
(16:59):
white I mean, I got asked by Jon Stewart and
uh and Jimmy Kimmels separately to do bits where I so. Uh.
The Kimmel bit was we did Bezos the Musical, which
was actually I think destined for a Broadway future, but
again perhaps not not exactly the way Jeff would like
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to see himself portrayed in the public. So, Jason, as
we're doing this episode which it starts out with bathroom
privacy and goes to home privacy. And now I know
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that I'm sitting right here, I can follow the show.
I follow the program. Peter's not a children's book. I
don't need to have you know, reintroduced every moment. If
I have followed the plot, go ahead, all right, mr,
follow the plot, Jason. If you're you're ahead of me,
I guess you realize you're nothing more than content in
a skin suit. Really, it's averaging on my resume and
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special skills. All those quizzes about find out your elf
name or find out your porn name, when you put
in first street and your first pet, they're basically just
fishing for all of your log in information. So to
quote George Costanza, is that wrong? Should I not have
done that? So? So yeah, okay, I'm I'm hearing. I'm
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picking up what you're putting down. So in a bigger
issue as far as privacy, I wanted to get on
an ethical hacker. We got an ethical hacker. An ethical hacker.
There's white hat, there's black hat, there's formerly black hat,
there's gray hat, there's green hat, there's red hat. The
hell are youtub exactly? So white hat hacker has the
hacking skills, came over, possibly from the dark side, but
(18:53):
is now employed in Russell, employed by movie studios and countries.
Ralph helped to help the certain rough has been to
discern Ralph hacker. You got a last name or is
it just Amia? I'm sorry, Ralph Comendia Ecamendia. Oh my gosh,
let's move. Let's go to how I got that information out?
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You say, I've been trying to give it for five
freaking minutes. Ralph Ecamendia is an ethical hacker, and I
wanted to find out for us. As far as privacy
has that ship sailed. Privacy is kind of an illusion
when it comes to to the cyber world in the
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sense that we have never really defined what that means
in a technical or digital form. We have kind of
defined it to some degree in the physical world. I
joke around and say, well, why do we have doors
in the bathroom. We're not doing anything wrong, but we
all have to go poop, don't we. So it really is, uh,
it's the same. You know, we have not defined that
(19:55):
in the digital realm. We have not said, okay, well
this is what we feel should be private across the words.
Should your name be private? Should your so security number
be private? Should your password be private? Well, the truth
is that's kind of a personal choice, right we share passwords.
Netflix has a big problem with that these days, right,
we share email addresses, we share all kinds of information
(20:16):
that we share. So the truth is we've never really
defined it. So it's never really existed in the same
sense that we would define it in the physical realm.
Well we have, I mean, is anybody we've kind of
defined it? Let me, let's prove something here, Jason. Passwords.
Now they have all of this stuff where it's the
not only password, you're gonna second form of I bet
(20:40):
you have bad password, but you have fantastic passwords. I
am fantastic. How do you remember them? How do you remember? All? Right,
I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you something, but I'm not
going to give away. Let's do it after. Let's let's
hear what Ralph, what do you have to say about passwords?
We are, by the way, heading into a no password
world in the future. There are enough things in the
technology we use that The truth is, you can identify
(21:02):
a person without a password, facial recognition, you know, your
thumb print. Uh, there's actually all kinds of hardware specifics
in your laptop end or phone that actually could you know,
tell the you know the site or whatever you will,
um that it's you so we are headed towards a catastrophe.
(21:23):
That's a catastrophe if you're not seen. Mission impossible. A
guy puts on my rubber face, he gets my thumb
print off a piece of Scotch tape. I don't want
any of that. I've got passwords. And let me tell
you something. Nobody's getting past my passwords. All right, you
want to know, you want to know. I'll give you
a hint to my system. Anything I'm using a password
on reminds me of either a song or a Shakespearean quote,
(21:49):
or something I've said in my life, and I used
the quote and I somehow maybe reduce it in some
way to be so, you'd have to know the way
my brain thinks, and about that thing, what connections I
make to that side. And no one's getting past my passwords.
My wife occasionally gets past my passage. And by the way,
(22:13):
I'm laughing because she said, nobody's getting because no, you'd
have to know how I think. Now, who would possibly
know who I think? Other than I don't know? Maybe
someone who knows and monitors every click of your keyboard,
that sees everything you order, that ever sees every show
you watch, It knows every time you dim the lights,
that knows every time you leave your house that has
a navigation on you. Who would know that? You know,
(22:33):
I'm gonna put out my own eyes at the end
of this episode this is you are the voice of
Doom and Gloom. I would like to believe that I
could take a shower or a shave without having telecasts
of the world. You know that I like pizza with
with anchovies. You you're being viewed by people in the shower.
Don't think it's gonna be a problem, not gonna be
a huge search. I don't think that's good. No one
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wants to see. You're absolutely right, because I've seen it
and and I'll never get that image out of my
own eyes. So you're right, let's let's let's live. Not
even not even in the amagin of raph. We give
out so much personal information online, sharing passwords and stuff
because we haven't been hacked yet. Are we delusional as
far as our safety online and privacy? Are we basically
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lying to ourselves because we don't want to confront how
much stuff is out there? Absolutely, people do lie about
whether or not they've given out information like their password
or other information. In fact, even just your email address.
You've got to keep in mind that every time we
meet with somebody, I mean, whether you style a business
card or you're you're doing that little QR code scan,
you have to give out your email. Well, your email
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tests to be your user name in many platforms, especially
in corporate environments, so you're giving out your user name
right without even noticing it, without even realizing it. But
even just passwords and sharing passwords. And of course if
you're ass to say no, I've never done that, but
the truth is that you have. And there's so many
other elements of privacy. Like I said, you know the
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sort of pin or personal identifying pieces of data that
we give out all the time, from birth dates and
all that kind of stuff, and if you're on a website,
you believe that it's real. I can't tell you how
many times, you know. What one story I can tell
you about is where a very well known Hollywood director
was easily fished and then every person that he communicated
would then send an email from that director saying, hey,
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check out this this little piece of a movie. I
want you to tell me what you think. Immediately when
you clicked on the link, you were prompted with a
email Passford type of prompt. Of course this was not real.
And you know how many people felt for that hundreds
So you believe what you see on a computer. And
that's just so easy to to fool people into believing
that this is real. So we tend to give up
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so much information willingly and knowingly, way too often. All right,
So how vulnerable are we? Exactly? How far along are
we with getting all our information stolen? You know, you
see these movies where guys living a smart home, you know, Billy,
you've never a smart home, and a criminal can hack
in and can get all this information just for hacking
in at the weakest point and then takes over the
guy's life. Is that even plausible today? Are are we
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at that point? It's very very very probable and very
possible to do today. And again there's no stopping this
this train when it comes to smart homes and smart everything, right,
smart cars and all the other smart things that are coming.
In fact, that's one of the big concerns with things
like smart cars. And imagine, you know, you can take
over somebody's car and just kill him mother. You know,
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they can't even get out of the car really really,
we're at that point, Ralph. All I gotta say is
I'm glad you're an ethical hacker and I hope there
are lots like you working to solve these problems. And uh,
before you go, and thanks for coming on. Do you
have a question for Jason? Hey, Jason, So I gotta
ask you how many passwords what George Constanza have and
does he change him every thirty days? How many passwords
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would George have? Well, we know about Bosco that one
was forced out of the right. We know at one
point tippy toe tippy doe is a big I think
a safe word. I think that was a safe word tip.
You gotta get keep you the thing you know, you
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know how. And this is true even with my fantastic system.
Every now and then I'll go to a side I
haven't used in a couple of years, and you have
to put in your password, and for the life I
cannot remember what the hell And then it goes forgot
your password and there's an implied you idiot on that
forgot your password, and then you have to, you know,
re authenticate yourself all over again. That would be George's problem, George,
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George would come up with the most fantastic, you know,
crazy ideas for passwords, and he would remember them once
and that would be that would be the hious. By
the way, Ralph, Ralph the hacker bad. Listen, listen, listen
before had is Ralph? What what color hat does Ralph were?
I think it's if you're lucky, Jason White, because he's
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already into your stuff. Look go up, look up, thrown
under the bus. Oh my god, Ralph. I take it
all back. Jason. You're good with me summarizing just briefly,
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I'll keep it. I wish you was so Jay. It
appears the illusion of privacy in our homes is just
that because we keep putting more smart devices in our homes.
We've got a hundred thirty million households already had at
least one smart speaker, and people are buying more and
more online. It's pretty much that ship looks like it's sailing.
You can see it at the horizon and bathrooms. We
have no control over that, but it appears. And that's
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how we start our episode with the really relief. They're
never going to make the bathroom stall door go to
the floor, and the reason it doesn't there's no incentive
to do it. It's not a profit center for a store.
They lose money on that square footage um in every
place I work, like a department store, how much money
can I make per square foot? Lingerie and make up
makes a fortune. Bathroom losing proposition, losing proposition, losing proposition
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right because you don't go to like a nice department
store and say they've got a restroom there that is
just a delight. You wouldn't do that, right if it's
no public places usually not except high end you know,
high end places, will you pay like the Four Seasons
and it's called the White House? You know what if
anybody's been to the White House and seeing somebody using
the bathroom stall, does the door go all the way
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to the floor. I assume it does because privacy there
we had to state, well, or maybe Jay, it's even
higher because they don't trust anybody in there. Oh that's
you know what. That's interesting. Can you imagine? Can you
imagine if the only place in the White House where
you can have a secure conversation for real is in
the restroom with the stall that goes down to the floor.
That's your cone of silence right there. Then you then
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you invite people in. That's Mr Prime Minister, Mr Vice President,
could you join me? Install three plays and hopefully it's sealed,
because the guy install four is going I just heard
something about Israel and Denmark that I'll tell you about
as soon as I flush. And by the way, this
has peacemaking possibilities, because you know, if you've got two
countries and well you have two countries in stalls side
by side, countries don't get along, they hate each other.
(29:12):
Suddenly here, by the way, could you spare a square?
Could you spare a square? You know what I'm referencing.
Could spare square? As long as I don't have I
don't have a square despair. As long as we don't
get into that situation, we might have world peace. The
other thing, Jason, is it takes us. So I don't
know about you, but most people, it takes you a
moment to relax. They don't want to give it to
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you because you know what happens as soon as you
relax and you have private, real privacy. With all the
phone apps you have, they did a study that said
the more apps you're having the phone, the longer you sit,
you never a private bathroom in a restaurant, you're never leaving.
You sit back. You're absolutely right because you know my
screen and once a week it goes your screen time
is up or down this week, and I noticed whenever
it says your screen time is down three percent, I've
(29:55):
been a little bound up that week. I've been a
little bound up as I understand what your station. I
think maybe at the end of each episode we could
do something good and it probably won't be able to
do that, but have it in this episode. Since we're
returning to public restrooms in mass Um, I thought, if
we had to just have some ground rules, even more
civil to each other. As we're immersed in this delusion
of privacy, we can't do anything about. What if we
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had an etiquette expert to tell us some ground rules,
we all agree on it and it just makes that
experience a little more pleasant. Then we've done our work here.
So joining us now is a very respected etiquette expert
as a manufactures the founder of the Protocol School of Texas,
and she teaches business etiquete jation because some of the
top Fortune five hundred companies. Diane GutsMan, So Dane, forgive me,
(30:42):
forgive me I'm gonna jump right in forgive the etiquette
in the restroom in the urinal world. What's the deal?
We look straight ahead? Is that okay? Look left? It right?
What do we do? You just go? You just go,
But you don't look. You don't you don't mention anything
you notice. You don't look. Is that what you don't look?
You don't look at your neighbors, look at yourself. I've
been thinking peking but commenting going good for you? Good? No,
(31:07):
that's wrong. No comments. You just go if they're not
if they're not quite getting in the urinal, can I
make a comment? I got one for for your di nutation.
I remember going to the farmer's market in l A
and an older man. It was in the urinal too
away from me, and here's what I hear. Oh birth,
(31:38):
Oh my god, oh my god. What do I do?
Do I say? Are you okay? Or what is etiquette there?
If it were really serious, Let's say you saw screaming,
can you say can I get you help? But if
you hear water works or something else going on, and
you know, you just know you're pretty safe, do you
(32:00):
watch the flusher? I just really want to know. I
never I used my feet. I used my feet. I'm
in the bathroom, my feet open the door. I brushed
my hair with my feet. Let me ask you the
one other thing that I that it doesn't usually come
up in a public restroom, but it often comes up
(32:20):
when visiting a friend or you know, being at a party.
So you you have used the facility, and now you've flushed,
and something has gone terribly wrong and the water is
rising rather than sinking, and there's going to be a problem. Yes,
do you a run for help? Do you be leave
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immediately and deny everything? Do you see what I mean?
You're so embarrassing, it's so humiliated. So what you have
to do is you have to own it. You have
to tell, you have to say, and this is how
you're gonna say it. You're gonna go to Peter at
you know, you at this house. You have now plugged
that toilet. It's now overflowing. You're gonna whisper in Peter's here.
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You know, I know you don't want to know preface
it with I know you'd want to know. Someone really
need to go. I hate to tell you, I know
you want to know that bathroom meets some attention immediately.
(33:27):
And by the way, you're also horizons. Oh my gosh,
and don't telling people's medicine cabinets. Don't look in their showers.
Come on, say come on, come on people, really big
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thank you to today's guests. Chad Costin, the president of
the Public Restroom Company, and by the way, update chat
actually did save the city of San Francisco over four
hundred thousand dollars with his donation of a modular prefabricated bathroom.
You can find him at the Public Restroom Company dot com.
And cybersecurity expert and ethical hacker Ralph Echamendia, who has
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worked with Oracle Microsoft as an advisor on the Snowden
movie and the TV series Mr. Robot. He's at r
Ekamen on Instagram. That's e H E. M. E. N.
And Diane Gossman, etiquette expert and the founder of the
Protocols School of Texas. Diane specializes in executive leadership and
business etiquette training and is the author of Modern Etiquette
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for a Better Life. You can find her at protocol
School of Texas dot com or on Instagram at Diane Gotsman.
And of course you can follow really No Really on
Instagram and on TikTok at Really No Really Podcast, and
for any questions you may have, of course, feel free
to message us at Instagram at Really No Really Podcast.
Thank you to producers Lauria Crimmy and David Unkenheim a
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k A. Google him, and thank you, of course to
write a researcher Zach Williams, and most of all, thank
you for listening. We will release new episodes every Tuesday,
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