December 8, 2021 • 28 mins
Nicole Zavala, star of VH1's Cartel Crew, has undergone 16 surgical procedures and spent over $100,000 in pursuit of her ideal of physical beauty, all before the age of 30. She credits her plastic surgery with saving her from a deep depression and loves the way she looks. She is later joined by her brother and sister who are deeply concerned about her safety and think she is addicted. Also at the table is plastic surgeon Dr. Rady Rahban, who thinks the current trends in cosmetic surgery present a serious threat to the health and safety of millions of people and has grave warnings for Nicole and others like her.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bienvenidos men Gloria Stefan. Here you are listening to Red
Table Talk via Stephens Podcast, all your favorite episodes from
our Facebook watch show in audio. It all started with bullying.
I'm addicted. I'm pushing the limit cosmetic surgery. How far
is too far? It's you baptists for light bulb, a
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lot of fill airs for the first time, a Red
Table intervention. You're having suicidal thoughts. Let's say you go
into the knife again. What if you come out fast?
Does it come too late so you will go against
your doctor's orders? I think, don't do it. You have
a limit. Today we're talking plastic surgery. There are over
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nine point five billion views and posts for hashtag plastic
surgery on social media. Young women, especially young Latinas, are
at risk of falling prey to a false reality. We're
living in a world where man made beauty and social
media filters set the trend for what everyone should aspire
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to look like. Filters that you can see what you
look different. All of a sudden, you see yourself with
this filter and you go, I like this look or
what I want to look like. The filters have big
lips ca them a lot of them. Okay, So like
today you're opening up for the first time about a
surgery you had, right, I remember this like if it
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was yesterday. Fla a yeah, because I kept calling you crime,
I kept calling you why did I do this? My
struggle with breast actually started when I was eighteen when
I started modeling, and then at nineteen when I started
And the first recollection that I have is at the
dressing room with a dress that was stropless, and it
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was so big that it was so noticeable, like it
just didn't fit right. Look at everybody, like, did I
say anything? I can't go out and just you know,
do the show like that? And I remember skin the ladies,
you have a smaller size because this doesn't look right.
So like I do, so I change and then whatever
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it would fit my hips wouldn't fit my breast. Someone says,
why don't we stoff your breast with? The cheapest thing
was toilet pass, Right, that's what you did. So I
started finding silicon and exactly what they called the chicken cutlers, right,
if I remember correctly say it. We were at dinner
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in New York with all these lawyers, and all of
a sudden, Lily has walked up to the table and
gone boof boof, pulled out her cutlets and threw them
on the table. You know why I bothered her. I
would be like, she was very open, I have to
take them. I was very open. I never had a
problem with my own breath, except I would go to
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work and I wouldn't in the dresses. This was years,
a many years from eighteen to one. So I have kids,
and I would spend time with a group of friends
you know from school that all the moms they had breastfed,
that had gone through the same thing that happened to me.
They were hanging a little bit for in my case
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was I had nothing. I went from a I have
nothing to negative ten. So I decided to said, you
know what, all my friends had gotten breasted So I'm like,
what am I going? I think it's time. So I
went and I did them. I didn't prefer myself psychologically
and emotionally before doing this. I was not happy. I
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imagine something different with how I felt for forty one
years of your life. When you look down, you had
a completely different view. Let's say I just I felt different.
Of course, this is permanent, you kept telling me that
you felt that they were too big, that it wasn't you.
The first six months, they're swalling, and I was crying
through the entire six months. You told me what right
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after you said I'm gonna take them out, I go,
this is this is not me. It was a process
of I think it was a whole year until I
finally felt like, okay, they're here. But let me tell
you something. In my fifties, you know, you're thinking, oh,
there's some lines coming in. So I had a little
bit of both talks here. I didn't like I couldn't
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smile with my eyes. But by the way, some of
it is really good. Okay, but guys, I don't think
that it's natural feeling like you need to get rid
of your wrinkles to look at You need women on television.
But that's a big that's a big problem. You understand
right there, right there, that's a huge problem. We need
to wear women on television. Women on television should be wrinkled.
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I don't think so. If you can look, there's things
you can do. And by the way, if guys, you're
literally playing the game Obama, I haven't gotten plastic surgery
or fillers or things like that. But after I breastfed you,
I had a lift, but not no implants. Okay. I
think that people should do whatever makes them feel good
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about themselves. Could it happen that there are other issues
and some people might use plastic surgery thinking it's going
to heal that, and then it doesn't. It could happen. However,
there's this other component, which is you changed your body.
But as long as you're doing what makes you happy
and that you can afford it. Because let's be real,
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if you're gonna have plastic surgery, you should really go
to a very good doctor and do research because you
can die well. And a lot of people do. They'll
go to other countries get a really cheap surgery by
surgeons that aren't killing them or harming them. And that's
another component of this. Now little girls or little boys
who can't afford it go on Instagram and they think, oh,
I have to look like that to fit in to
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be successful. It's concerning. At the time when I grew up,
plastic sur was for older people to do, so you
would look younger. Now it's to change who you are.
I think this is a perfect moment to bring in
our first guests because in the last ten years, Nicol
savanast Or, a v H one's reality show Cartel Crew,
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has had sixteen surgically invasive procedures worth over one thousand dollars.
Dissatisfaction with her looks contributed to a depression so severe
that she even contemplated suicide. Plastic surgery, she says, makes
her happy and has brought her fame and fortune, and
with sixteen surgeries under her belt, Nicole says she has
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no plans to stop anytime soon. But the biggest chakras
Nicole is only twenty eight years old. Welcome Nicole, Welcome Nicole,
Thank you for being here. We're so happy be here
to talk with us. We're gonna look at what you
used to look like. That's a beautiful girl, gorgeous. What
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in there did you not like everything? Yeah, my self
estimate is very low back then? What made you feel insecure?
I was bullied back in high school, bullied for because
I didn't fix myself. I was like a little tomboy,
you know. I always like to dress down when I
was in high school, and I wasn't really focused on
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guys or nothing like that. I was just like really outcast.
I was not a popular girl, nothing like that. You
wanted to be popular, I did. I always wanted to
be like that girl, that a girl. But I was like, Okay,
high school, it's not It's not gonna happen. I guess
when I got out of high school, that's when I
started realizing I don't like the way I look at all,
from my nose to my stomach, my but like my face,
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tell us about some of the things you've done. When
I turned eighteen, my dad was like, well, you want
favorite day, and I was like, I want a pair
of boobs. I was rabbie flat tested. He was like,
you should get your nose done first. Because my brother,
my twin brother, he pushed me down the stairs when
I was five years old, so I had a huge hump.
So he was like, why don't you get that done
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prior to that? Like would your mom or dad or
family members be like I me had like this is
you need to fix this. You need to fix this.
When my dad only told me to get my nose done,
my mom knew how I felt like, I'm secures. So
you get the boobs done and I get You're instantly happy.
I'm super happy. I'm like, oh my god, this is bomb.
Thank you daddy. Right two years later, I get my
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nose done and then from there I was like, that's Sam,
So you were happy every time you we're thrilled every
time I think, yeah, yeah, I'm very straight up. Every
time I got to I'm ready for another one on
me too, I'm like, I'm addicted, and like I could
really say that because I am so now my bag.
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I got it done three times b d L fat
transfer light bulb. I feel like right now I want
to go for a fourth time, just because I wanted
like a little bit of wider hips and more. But
I will have to gain weight to get my fat
and to put it on my but I already had
two doctors already denied me. Why did they deny you
because because again there's no more fat. That was like,
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if we get we try to get more fat, you're
gonna end up having fiber lows. So you were going
against you doctors orders to get your look. Yeah, I
have like at least little dance in my hips. I
don't know if you see it. So what I really want,
it's just like that. So young generations that are met
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on the show. Why would you tell them get all
the plastic theory that you can. Honestly, my advice is
if you're unhappy with yourself, get get done what you
gotta get done so you feel happy, you know. But
that's the thing. I personally don't think that it's a
good thing to encourage people like, oh you don't like it,
change it? Not everybody. I would say, try everything you
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can to love yourself as you are before you touch
your body, because your body is one. Even the tattoos
that I have. I would put fake tattoos on and
wait for months to make sure it was the right thing.
So for me, I respect and love you. But I
would say, like, try everything before you you touch your body. Okay,
so you have the three b BL may my nose
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dont and fillers on my face. I just got to
foxy eyes a week ago. I used this filter that
makes you give you that foxy, and I was like,
maybe I should get doesn't realize foxy Okay, what does
that entail? So basically like mixed your eyes like slanted
like an almond. Okay, they're collagen. Yes, that's what I've heard,
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that they dissolved little by little years that you have
to keep on doing if you want to stay like that? Right?
Do you feel it now like pulling you? Oh no,
but like when I move all out my face, I
feel like the little threats you have filler in your lips. Yeah,
that has to hurt, like hell, it does. What do
you like about it? Like I just said, it's like
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super like juicy there. Okay, but it's risky so many
times to do so many things that said young age,
your only twenty. I know it's risky, but I always
go with a positive mind. And I've been good with
all my surgeries. I never had no complications, bad healing, nothing.
Everything has been fine, you know. And that's why I
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think I'm pushing the limit, why I want to get
so much more, because I'm going to be fine, you know.
But eventually, you know, I can't always go through with
that mindset because it's like, okay, when I'm gonna stop,
you know. I think that you should do whatever you
want to your body. I think you're beautiful, to be honest,
I thought you were gorgeous before, but you being so
candid about the insecurity portion of it in this and that,
have you considered to try like therapy to work on
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some of the mental components or like addiction component to it,
to see if that would make you feel differently. When
I felt secure, that was when I didn't have no surgeries.
I'm now secure right now, I'm secure. I'm super confident,
you're happy. I'm super happy with my look. I feel amazing,
And you're gonna keep and I'm gonna keep. Yeah. If
I feel like I need something else, I'm gonna get it,
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you know. But back then I felt like I didn't
need the therapy because it's just myself, Like I just
wanted to call you think you needed to change your
look to be happy, and you did, and now you're happy.
That's interesting. How so you don't worry about going too far,
not right now, right now, But there are some people
that do worry about you going too far. Nichole's twin
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brother Michael and sister Stephanie are terrified that Nicholl's plastic
surgery addiction could lead to a disastrous surgical mishap. They're
hoping an intervention here at the table will cause her
to stop this obsession before it's too late. Welcome, Michael
and Stephanie, Come on in Familia. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome,
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So what do you think? You're three, you were raised
together and you're her twin. What are you scared? It
just confuses me a bit because she claims that she's
gotten a little bit more confident with the procedures, but
then she keeps going and you've had successful procedures. But
let's let's say you go into the knife again. What
if you come out bust? I don't know what if
you don't come out negative? Exactly? So you have to
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You can't just do things because I think about you know,
I feel some type of way, so I'm going to
go get the fillers, you know. I mean that's not
all the time, but you know, sometimes I have my
days and I feel like I just want to get
something done that's important, of course, and we're not saying that.
I'm just concerned. Do you think that social media had
something to do with you feeling you needed to make changes?
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My platform is very big. I do feel like I
have to put this image out, you know, And I
don't like attentiontionce. I think that's where the issue rises,
because she likes the attention from others. We all love attention.
What kind of attention men. Yeah, how do you guys
think that men perceive you? Like? Are your persona online?
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Are you trying to attract the kind of attention from
them specifically, or is it just all your fan base,
like your type of fan base. You know a lot
of girls look up to me, and I'm getting much older,
so obviously I want to get married. I want to
settle down. So I like people to look at different
and not just like a sex symbol. You know, because
you're go on my social media, you automatically and see,
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oh she's so sex and what she looks have naked,
I could just you know, cast this chicken. It's over,
You're not. But it's also what she's portraying. Yes, the
girls give her high fives and they love her because
she's very real, she's very raw. That's a fantastic that's
a great thing to have, But it can be really
bad because then that's where I get worried, just because
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every time she does get in a relationship with somebody,
they don't respect her how she's supposed to be respected,
or they'll just be with her just for one thing,
let's just say. And that's so she's never going to
get it. You think that you're that you're attracting that
kind of man because that's what you're concerned about. And
then she just falls into this deep depression and no
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one's ever going to respect her and love her. And
that's why I feel like, I'm sorry, but that's why
I feel like she keeps doing them because of the
struggles and like being depressed. That's why I'm worried. That's
the second time you say that. So you're concerned, think
she needs to see something she's not seeing, and you're
I'm going to tell you guys the truth. When I
get something done, I feel better about myself and all
that stress goes away because you're focusing on that one thing. Yeah,
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but when you're an alcoholic, can you take a drink?
You felt? Call my tattoo are and I don't get totally.
I got all these hands tattoos and one day, okay,
Emily just said something that it's an alcoholic feels much
better when he takes it. Of course, that's how I
feel he takes a drink. Yeah, I feel like when
I do cosmetic when I'm stressed out, I feel better.
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It's just we think it's just all probably mental right now.
Sometimes we sit with her and the call, are you
really going to do that because X, Y and Z,
like you really don't need it. You have other solutions,
there's other ways to let's just say, get a six
pack or get a slimmer waist. You know. I know
my parents really concerned to the fact that I already
suffer from mental health. So they feel like if I
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do something and I get boshed, my dad already knows
you get boshed and you already stuffer from depression. Oh no,
it's oh for you. Okay, so you're clear on all
of this. Clear trust me. I know, like I know
what's going on. What do you think cause the depression
I had, like past trauma. I had a miscarriage three
months pregnant, and it's something that I really I was
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planning like it happened, and then that happened to me.
I just broke down, like it was pretty bad, and
this was joining filming. I'm doing a show and I
have to pleae like everything is fine. How does it
make you feel to hear your family tell you what
they think. No, it makes me feel good, you know, like, Okay,
they care and stuff. But I know, like myself, you know,
like I know my limit, and you have a limit
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right now. I mean I don't, like I said, I
just want to probably just get my body done again.
I'm not saying right now, but probably the next few months. Well,
we already know there's something she wants to do to
her but but doesn't have an a fat for it
right now. But let's see, that's a clear explication that
you shouldn't go through it. Exactly if two doctors have
told you, know, okay and listen to this, if you
have to gain weight in order to do that, that's
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when I was like a waste of money then, because
I mean, I don't have to gain weight. I look,
I love the way my stomach exactly. That makes you nervous, well,
that she doesn't have in her body. But right now,
at least have stopped with my face. I'm not touching
my face moment. But I think it's deeper than that though,
going back to men, let's bring up I'm sorry the miscarriage.
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You know how you fell into like this deep depression
to the point that you know you were having suicidal
thoughts and in the past you've done that before just
because of the guys that you were dating. Were physically
abusing you to the point that you wanted to end
your life because you couldn't find love. I feel like
it may stirt into plastic surgery. If you get something
else and you're not happy with it, you're going to
fall into that deep depression thinking about those thoughts again.
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So that's where I'm concerned. Obviously, us as a family, Me,
my mom, my dad, and Stephanie. We love you, but
you want it from somebody else. And that's why I
think the attention from social media and like having a
guy does not ever pass the test, which is why
your mindset was I think I need to be pregnant,
have a baby, because that baby is going to love me.
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You have to start loving yourself because if you keep
doing things to have people telling you, oh, you look beautiful,
you look pretty. But I don't think you know that's
your answer, right. We thank you for being so open
and wonderful help a lot of people understand. No, of course,
thank you so much for being guy's Michael and Stephanie,
thank you. Thank you plastic surgeon. Dr Radidaban these cases,
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like Nichols all the time and believes that we have
hit a crisis level when it comes to women chasing
a false sense of beauty. This is your job, this
is what you do. The truth matter is I love
what I do. The overwhelming majority of the plastic surgery
interactions that I have are profound, life changing, life improving.
But everything has a flip side, and unfortunately, I do
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think that we've gotten too far. What what do you
consider too far? Like, tell tell me some examples of
what you so I hear. I see it every day
when I started, you know, I saw the predominantly new patients,
people that came in to get things done. Now a
third of the patients I see a revisions from all
over the world from other surgeries. Right, so they went
and get something done. They win with great aspiration. You
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have been incredibly fortunate, but we know that not to
be the case statistically, and it really only takes one
really bad thing to throw you into tailspin. Okay, why
do you tell them? Well, I try to get to
them before the revision, but once they become a revision,
it's it's really a crapshoot. Sometimes I can help, sometimes
sometimes I can Where is that line between this is
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taking over a mental component or internal component of insecurity
and oh I really do have this thing that is
impeding me in my life, and it will make me
feel better. It's just such a complicated issue. The cut
off is when that person is seeking something other than
the fulfillment of betterment for themselves. Yeah, how common is
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this type of obsession. It's very common, and it's the
obsession is a varying to reason. Before it was I'm sixty,
I like the way I look. I just don't like
these bands, so I'm gonna reverse my face versus I
don't like anything about the way I look, and I'm
gonna look different. The crisis is now my sixteen year
old niece has one million images a second of individuals,
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images of things that you want to look like that
are not even images of real people. You want your
twelfth rib removed. Well, that's what I'm saying, and you're
waste this wide unattainable. It's unattainable ish naturally forget. There's
no squats, there's no diet, there's no yoga. Heard, it's
just nothing. So the crisis is a borsh of all
these problems. It's young people, the phone, the images, the apps,
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the fact that there are a lot of people doing
these surgeries that are not classic surgeons. Like let's let's
let's imagine the petition. So you assume that if you
go see a guy or gal who does cosmetic surgery,
they're trained in cosmic surgery. Right, No, that's not in America.
I can deliver a baby tomorrow, I can remove a
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tumor out of someone's brain. I'm not a nurth surgeon
or nobi, but I have a medical degree. And then
my medical degree allows me the scope of ability to do.
The place that will stop me from doing that is
the hospital because they require privileges and free to show
that you've done. But these procedures are done in your
own private center. Oh my god. You know I have
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a lot of lutino patients, maybe a third of my patients.
There's a cultural component. Why do you think that? Is
that that it's such a common occurrence with Latin as
it's more popular in Latin America. Have the big butt first,
or like number one. The idea of being attractive is
a much higher of importance. I mean, go look at
a telenovela, go look at a news anchor. There's no
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other place on TV today where everyone is super hot.
The second is that there's a lot of reverence for
medical culture. Doctor. That's what it told me. And the
last thing is that you said it best. It's a luxury.
But in this sense, if you can't afford doctor, a
good doctor, and you want it and I gotta have it,
I'll find it. So that's what I feel. If most
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kids are seeing all these influx of images, most of
those images are things that you need this luxury to attain,
then of course they're gonna go get twenty dollar fillers.
How do we fix it? Well, you start by this conversation,
You start by people who actually have a dialogue. It's
really ultimately our responsibility, right, we're ultimately you can do
whatever you want to do. I don't do it. Yes,
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you can't have it. Well, I want to bring somebody
out now that it's going to join you in this
whole situation. Six year old YouTube star Gaby de Martino
started her popular YouTube channel with her twin sister over
a decade ago. Their channel has accumulated over one point
three billion views. Gabby says she was never happy with
her looks and got her first cosmetic procedure when she
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was eighteen. Today, she has had over eighty cosmetic procedures
in the past eight years, but now she regrets through obsession,
and she worries about how she may have influenced her
twenty million followers on social media. Welcome Gabby. Hi, so
nice to meet you, guys. Let's see what you used
to look like. Okay, still a beautiful girl. Different. How
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old were you in that pick? I was seventeen or
sixteen there. That was as I was starting my YouTube career.
When you started YouTube, you had already had some stuff done. Yes,
the majority of my procedures were filler, but I've surgically
gone under the knife two times. One of them was
four procedures and the other was just one. Rhino plasti
impulsivity was my middle name, and now I'm paying for it.
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It was getting pretty bad. I was literally bringing filler
injectors to my house like every other week. Oh my god,
I heard so much more than filler. Like I was
just never happy in my own shoes. I look back
at those photos now and I'm like, oh my god,
I was so pretty. But my fiance right now actually
is the one that opened my eyes to that. Like
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before I was just like, I really didn't think I
was attractive and he's like, oh my god, you're so
hot in your eighteen nineteen year old photos, and I'm like,
you think so, And the more he was like saying that,
I actually started seeing it myself. But it's beyond validation
of others, which is what started all of my procedures.
Even before YouTube, I hated my lips, but it was
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because people at school, the boys were calling me a
gargoyle because I had thin lips. Like it all started
with bullying, and so it was definitely all mental. And
that's twice so we've heard that it started with bullying. Yes,
I think the bullying is really what pushed me to
want instant gratification with my looks. I fell for believing
I was an ugly person and now I'm a twenty
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six year old going on twenty seven, and I'm trying
to change myself back to what I used to look like.
And I never in a million year thought that I
would do that. Do you both have said, oh, it
helped me in my career. Do you think it was
actually the look change that helped or was it just
your beautiful personality that was there. Either way, I'm realizing
I just associate my facial changes with my success. I
think I was in the right place at the right time,
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and I worked really hard. So I don't think I
would give credit to the plastic surgery. I think I
would give it to my heart with me if I
always had a good personality and I never change the
way I am with people or nothing. I was not
happy with how I looked, So how am I going
to move forward if I'm not happy with myself? You know,
I don't regret nothing I have done. I don't regret anything.
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You know. The one surgery I do not regret is
my nose job. It was something I truly wanted to
do since I was like eight. I just didn't know
what the heck it was. I was already in an
insecure place in my life. And then, you know, as
the world continued to shove like a false idea of
beauty and people's faces, I feel like the worst my
mentality got with procedures, and I think that's why I
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regret them. It's interesting because in the same person, you
have a person who loves plastic surgery her nose because
it was something that benefit her and she empowered her,
and she has things that she did she hated her
nose job didn't make her great YouTuber, but the fact
that it was something she wanted that enhanced her. It
allowed her to give her the confidence to be the
person she's always exactly. So it's not gonna make or
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break you. It just pushes you in the direction and
you're destined to go. You have an identical twin, yes,
all right, anywhere deep inside there? Do you think that
you were hankering to look different? Yes, this is true.
I just had identity issues in general, Like I tried
looking like celebrities at one point in my life. If
you want my honest opinion, based off of like my
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really extensive therapy, I think I was battling body dysmorphia,
and the career path I was in just magnified it.
Got it the moment I started being kinder to myself
and patient and not wanting instant gratification and not acting
on impulse. With all my inner work, I'm finally in
a place where I genuinely love who I am. What
advice do you want to share with your fans? I
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just wished my young followers knew that it's okay not
to look like the girl on TikTok. It's okay to
not look like the Snapchat filter. And when you see
these Snapchat filter there's people like who really think this
is what humans should look like and it's literally a filter.
If you want to then do whatever makes you happy.
But at the end of the day, if you're doing
something not for yourself and because people say you need
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to do this, or because you're feeling pressured to do something,
I say, don't do it. It's okay to feel insecure,
it's okay to not like something about yourself. But what's
not okay is giving into societal pressures when you never
even thought in your head naturally that you wanted to
do it. So work on in here, That's what I
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want to tell them. The more you focus in here,
the better everything else out here becomes. I agree with you.
I agree with you. I want to thank you Nicole
and Gabby and all our guests doctor for being here.
The bottom line is that no one should feel pressured
into surgery. Ultimately, it's about what is right for you.
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And if a little nipper tuck will boost your confidence
or empower you in any way, why not. But just
please make sure you consult a board certified surgeon before
having any work done. Not so much. Tis not the
property around your age. I'm gonna be more. But that
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fourth one you're gonna regret it. I'll promise you. Even
if you gain weight, you're not gonna gain weight in
the areas that have no fact because fat's gone. You're
gonna gain it in whatever's left. Yeah, you're gonna regret it.
I don't think. Thanks for listening. To join the Red
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our Facebook watch show in audio. It all started with bullying.
I'm addicted. I'm pushing the limit cosmetic surgery. How far
is too far? It's you baptists for light bulb, a
(00:22):
lot of fill airs for the first time, a Red
Table intervention. You're having suicidal thoughts. Let's say you go
into the knife again. What if you come out fast?
Does it come too late so you will go against
your doctor's orders? I think, don't do it. You have
a limit. Today we're talking plastic surgery. There are over
(00:45):
nine point five billion views and posts for hashtag plastic
surgery on social media. Young women, especially young Latinas, are
at risk of falling prey to a false reality. We're
living in a world where man made beauty and social
media filters set the trend for what everyone should aspire
(01:05):
to look like. Filters that you can see what you
look different. All of a sudden, you see yourself with
this filter and you go, I like this look or
what I want to look like. The filters have big
lips ca them a lot of them. Okay, So like
today you're opening up for the first time about a
surgery you had, right, I remember this like if it
(01:26):
was yesterday. Fla a yeah, because I kept calling you crime,
I kept calling you why did I do this? My
struggle with breast actually started when I was eighteen when
I started modeling, and then at nineteen when I started
And the first recollection that I have is at the
dressing room with a dress that was stropless, and it
(01:47):
was so big that it was so noticeable, like it
just didn't fit right. Look at everybody, like, did I
say anything? I can't go out and just you know,
do the show like that? And I remember skin the ladies,
you have a smaller size because this doesn't look right.
So like I do, so I change and then whatever
(02:07):
it would fit my hips wouldn't fit my breast. Someone says,
why don't we stoff your breast with? The cheapest thing
was toilet pass, Right, that's what you did. So I
started finding silicon and exactly what they called the chicken cutlers, right,
if I remember correctly say it. We were at dinner
(02:29):
in New York with all these lawyers, and all of
a sudden, Lily has walked up to the table and
gone boof boof, pulled out her cutlets and threw them
on the table. You know why I bothered her. I
would be like, she was very open, I have to
take them. I was very open. I never had a
problem with my own breath, except I would go to
(02:50):
work and I wouldn't in the dresses. This was years,
a many years from eighteen to one. So I have kids,
and I would spend time with a group of friends
you know from school that all the moms they had breastfed,
that had gone through the same thing that happened to me.
They were hanging a little bit for in my case
(03:11):
was I had nothing. I went from a I have
nothing to negative ten. So I decided to said, you
know what, all my friends had gotten breasted So I'm like,
what am I going? I think it's time. So I
went and I did them. I didn't prefer myself psychologically
and emotionally before doing this. I was not happy. I
(03:35):
imagine something different with how I felt for forty one
years of your life. When you look down, you had
a completely different view. Let's say I just I felt different.
Of course, this is permanent, you kept telling me that
you felt that they were too big, that it wasn't you.
The first six months, they're swalling, and I was crying
through the entire six months. You told me what right
(03:57):
after you said I'm gonna take them out, I go,
this is this is not me. It was a process
of I think it was a whole year until I
finally felt like, okay, they're here. But let me tell
you something. In my fifties, you know, you're thinking, oh,
there's some lines coming in. So I had a little
bit of both talks here. I didn't like I couldn't
(04:17):
smile with my eyes. But by the way, some of
it is really good. Okay, but guys, I don't think
that it's natural feeling like you need to get rid
of your wrinkles to look at You need women on television.
But that's a big that's a big problem. You understand
right there, right there, that's a huge problem. We need
to wear women on television. Women on television should be wrinkled.
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I don't think so. If you can look, there's things
you can do. And by the way, if guys, you're
literally playing the game Obama, I haven't gotten plastic surgery
or fillers or things like that. But after I breastfed you,
I had a lift, but not no implants. Okay. I
think that people should do whatever makes them feel good
(05:00):
about themselves. Could it happen that there are other issues
and some people might use plastic surgery thinking it's going
to heal that, and then it doesn't. It could happen. However,
there's this other component, which is you changed your body.
But as long as you're doing what makes you happy
and that you can afford it. Because let's be real,
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if you're gonna have plastic surgery, you should really go
to a very good doctor and do research because you
can die well. And a lot of people do. They'll
go to other countries get a really cheap surgery by
surgeons that aren't killing them or harming them. And that's
another component of this. Now little girls or little boys
who can't afford it go on Instagram and they think, oh,
I have to look like that to fit in to
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be successful. It's concerning. At the time when I grew up,
plastic sur was for older people to do, so you
would look younger. Now it's to change who you are.
I think this is a perfect moment to bring in
our first guests because in the last ten years, Nicol
savanast Or, a v H one's reality show Cartel Crew,
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has had sixteen surgically invasive procedures worth over one thousand dollars.
Dissatisfaction with her looks contributed to a depression so severe
that she even contemplated suicide. Plastic surgery, she says, makes
her happy and has brought her fame and fortune, and
with sixteen surgeries under her belt, Nicole says she has
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no plans to stop anytime soon. But the biggest chakras
Nicole is only twenty eight years old. Welcome Nicole, Welcome Nicole,
Thank you for being here. We're so happy be here
to talk with us. We're gonna look at what you
used to look like. That's a beautiful girl, gorgeous. What
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in there did you not like everything? Yeah, my self
estimate is very low back then? What made you feel insecure?
I was bullied back in high school, bullied for because
I didn't fix myself. I was like a little tomboy,
you know. I always like to dress down when I
was in high school, and I wasn't really focused on
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guys or nothing like that. I was just like really outcast.
I was not a popular girl, nothing like that. You
wanted to be popular, I did. I always wanted to
be like that girl, that a girl. But I was like, Okay,
high school, it's not It's not gonna happen. I guess
when I got out of high school, that's when I
started realizing I don't like the way I look at all,
from my nose to my stomach, my but like my face,
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tell us about some of the things you've done. When
I turned eighteen, my dad was like, well, you want
favorite day, and I was like, I want a pair
of boobs. I was rabbie flat tested. He was like,
you should get your nose done first. Because my brother,
my twin brother, he pushed me down the stairs when
I was five years old, so I had a huge hump.
So he was like, why don't you get that done
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prior to that? Like would your mom or dad or
family members be like I me had like this is
you need to fix this. You need to fix this.
When my dad only told me to get my nose done,
my mom knew how I felt like, I'm secures. So
you get the boobs done and I get You're instantly happy.
I'm super happy. I'm like, oh my god, this is bomb.
Thank you daddy. Right two years later, I get my
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nose done and then from there I was like, that's Sam,
So you were happy every time you we're thrilled every
time I think, yeah, yeah, I'm very straight up. Every
time I got to I'm ready for another one on
me too, I'm like, I'm addicted, and like I could
really say that because I am so now my bag.
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I got it done three times b d L fat
transfer light bulb. I feel like right now I want
to go for a fourth time, just because I wanted
like a little bit of wider hips and more. But
I will have to gain weight to get my fat
and to put it on my but I already had
two doctors already denied me. Why did they deny you
because because again there's no more fat. That was like,
(08:55):
if we get we try to get more fat, you're
gonna end up having fiber lows. So you were going
against you doctors orders to get your look. Yeah, I
have like at least little dance in my hips. I
don't know if you see it. So what I really want,
it's just like that. So young generations that are met
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on the show. Why would you tell them get all
the plastic theory that you can. Honestly, my advice is
if you're unhappy with yourself, get get done what you
gotta get done so you feel happy, you know. But
that's the thing. I personally don't think that it's a
good thing to encourage people like, oh you don't like it,
change it? Not everybody. I would say, try everything you
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can to love yourself as you are before you touch
your body, because your body is one. Even the tattoos
that I have. I would put fake tattoos on and
wait for months to make sure it was the right thing.
So for me, I respect and love you. But I
would say, like, try everything before you you touch your body. Okay,
so you have the three b BL may my nose
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dont and fillers on my face. I just got to
foxy eyes a week ago. I used this filter that
makes you give you that foxy, and I was like,
maybe I should get doesn't realize foxy Okay, what does
that entail? So basically like mixed your eyes like slanted
like an almond. Okay, they're collagen. Yes, that's what I've heard,
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that they dissolved little by little years that you have
to keep on doing if you want to stay like that? Right?
Do you feel it now like pulling you? Oh no,
but like when I move all out my face, I
feel like the little threats you have filler in your lips. Yeah,
that has to hurt, like hell, it does. What do
you like about it? Like I just said, it's like
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super like juicy there. Okay, but it's risky so many
times to do so many things that said young age,
your only twenty. I know it's risky, but I always
go with a positive mind. And I've been good with
all my surgeries. I never had no complications, bad healing, nothing.
Everything has been fine, you know. And that's why I
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think I'm pushing the limit, why I want to get
so much more, because I'm going to be fine, you know.
But eventually, you know, I can't always go through with
that mindset because it's like, okay, when I'm gonna stop,
you know. I think that you should do whatever you
want to your body. I think you're beautiful, to be honest,
I thought you were gorgeous before, but you being so
candid about the insecurity portion of it in this and that,
have you considered to try like therapy to work on
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some of the mental components or like addiction component to it,
to see if that would make you feel differently. When
I felt secure, that was when I didn't have no surgeries.
I'm now secure right now, I'm secure. I'm super confident,
you're happy. I'm super happy with my look. I feel amazing,
And you're gonna keep and I'm gonna keep. Yeah. If
I feel like I need something else, I'm gonna get it,
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you know. But back then I felt like I didn't
need the therapy because it's just myself, Like I just
wanted to call you think you needed to change your
look to be happy, and you did, and now you're happy.
That's interesting. How so you don't worry about going too far,
not right now, right now, But there are some people
that do worry about you going too far. Nichole's twin
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brother Michael and sister Stephanie are terrified that Nicholl's plastic
surgery addiction could lead to a disastrous surgical mishap. They're
hoping an intervention here at the table will cause her
to stop this obsession before it's too late. Welcome, Michael
and Stephanie, Come on in Familia. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome,
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So what do you think? You're three, you were raised
together and you're her twin. What are you scared? It
just confuses me a bit because she claims that she's
gotten a little bit more confident with the procedures, but
then she keeps going and you've had successful procedures. But
let's let's say you go into the knife again. What
if you come out bust? I don't know what if
you don't come out negative? Exactly? So you have to
(13:01):
You can't just do things because I think about you know,
I feel some type of way, so I'm going to
go get the fillers, you know. I mean that's not
all the time, but you know, sometimes I have my
days and I feel like I just want to get
something done that's important, of course, and we're not saying that.
I'm just concerned. Do you think that social media had
something to do with you feeling you needed to make changes?
(13:25):
My platform is very big. I do feel like I
have to put this image out, you know, And I
don't like attentiontionce. I think that's where the issue rises,
because she likes the attention from others. We all love attention.
What kind of attention men. Yeah, how do you guys
think that men perceive you? Like? Are your persona online?
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Are you trying to attract the kind of attention from
them specifically, or is it just all your fan base,
like your type of fan base. You know a lot
of girls look up to me, and I'm getting much older,
so obviously I want to get married. I want to
settle down. So I like people to look at different
and not just like a sex symbol. You know, because
you're go on my social media, you automatically and see,
(14:06):
oh she's so sex and what she looks have naked,
I could just you know, cast this chicken. It's over,
You're not. But it's also what she's portraying. Yes, the
girls give her high fives and they love her because
she's very real, she's very raw. That's a fantastic that's
a great thing to have, But it can be really
bad because then that's where I get worried, just because
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every time she does get in a relationship with somebody,
they don't respect her how she's supposed to be respected,
or they'll just be with her just for one thing,
let's just say. And that's so she's never going to
get it. You think that you're that you're attracting that
kind of man because that's what you're concerned about. And
then she just falls into this deep depression and no
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one's ever going to respect her and love her. And
that's why I feel like, I'm sorry, but that's why
I feel like she keeps doing them because of the
struggles and like being depressed. That's why I'm worried. That's
the second time you say that. So you're concerned, think
she needs to see something she's not seeing, and you're
I'm going to tell you guys the truth. When I
get something done, I feel better about myself and all
that stress goes away because you're focusing on that one thing. Yeah,
(15:10):
but when you're an alcoholic, can you take a drink?
You felt? Call my tattoo are and I don't get totally.
I got all these hands tattoos and one day, okay,
Emily just said something that it's an alcoholic feels much
better when he takes it. Of course, that's how I
feel he takes a drink. Yeah, I feel like when
I do cosmetic when I'm stressed out, I feel better.
(15:31):
It's just we think it's just all probably mental right now.
Sometimes we sit with her and the call, are you
really going to do that because X, Y and Z,
like you really don't need it. You have other solutions,
there's other ways to let's just say, get a six
pack or get a slimmer waist. You know. I know
my parents really concerned to the fact that I already
suffer from mental health. So they feel like if I
(15:53):
do something and I get boshed, my dad already knows
you get boshed and you already stuffer from depression. Oh no,
it's oh for you. Okay, so you're clear on all
of this. Clear trust me. I know, like I know
what's going on. What do you think cause the depression
I had, like past trauma. I had a miscarriage three
months pregnant, and it's something that I really I was
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planning like it happened, and then that happened to me.
I just broke down, like it was pretty bad, and
this was joining filming. I'm doing a show and I
have to pleae like everything is fine. How does it
make you feel to hear your family tell you what
they think. No, it makes me feel good, you know, like, Okay,
they care and stuff. But I know, like myself, you know,
like I know my limit, and you have a limit
(16:37):
right now. I mean I don't, like I said, I
just want to probably just get my body done again.
I'm not saying right now, but probably the next few months. Well,
we already know there's something she wants to do to
her but but doesn't have an a fat for it
right now. But let's see, that's a clear explication that
you shouldn't go through it. Exactly if two doctors have
told you, know, okay and listen to this, if you
have to gain weight in order to do that, that's
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when I was like a waste of money then, because
I mean, I don't have to gain weight. I look,
I love the way my stomach exactly. That makes you nervous, well,
that she doesn't have in her body. But right now,
at least have stopped with my face. I'm not touching
my face moment. But I think it's deeper than that though,
going back to men, let's bring up I'm sorry the miscarriage.
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You know how you fell into like this deep depression
to the point that you know you were having suicidal
thoughts and in the past you've done that before just
because of the guys that you were dating. Were physically
abusing you to the point that you wanted to end
your life because you couldn't find love. I feel like
it may stirt into plastic surgery. If you get something
else and you're not happy with it, you're going to
fall into that deep depression thinking about those thoughts again.
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So that's where I'm concerned. Obviously, us as a family, Me,
my mom, my dad, and Stephanie. We love you, but
you want it from somebody else. And that's why I
think the attention from social media and like having a
guy does not ever pass the test, which is why
your mindset was I think I need to be pregnant,
have a baby, because that baby is going to love me.
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You have to start loving yourself because if you keep
doing things to have people telling you, oh, you look beautiful,
you look pretty. But I don't think you know that's
your answer, right. We thank you for being so open
and wonderful help a lot of people understand. No, of course,
thank you so much for being guy's Michael and Stephanie,
thank you. Thank you plastic surgeon. Dr Radidaban these cases,
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like Nichols all the time and believes that we have
hit a crisis level when it comes to women chasing
a false sense of beauty. This is your job, this
is what you do. The truth matter is I love
what I do. The overwhelming majority of the plastic surgery
interactions that I have are profound, life changing, life improving.
But everything has a flip side, and unfortunately, I do
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think that we've gotten too far. What what do you
consider too far? Like, tell tell me some examples of
what you so I hear. I see it every day
when I started, you know, I saw the predominantly new patients,
people that came in to get things done. Now a
third of the patients I see a revisions from all
over the world from other surgeries. Right, so they went
and get something done. They win with great aspiration. You
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have been incredibly fortunate, but we know that not to
be the case statistically, and it really only takes one
really bad thing to throw you into tailspin. Okay, why
do you tell them? Well, I try to get to
them before the revision, but once they become a revision,
it's it's really a crapshoot. Sometimes I can help, sometimes
sometimes I can Where is that line between this is
(19:35):
taking over a mental component or internal component of insecurity
and oh I really do have this thing that is
impeding me in my life, and it will make me
feel better. It's just such a complicated issue. The cut
off is when that person is seeking something other than
the fulfillment of betterment for themselves. Yeah, how common is
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this type of obsession. It's very common, and it's the
obsession is a varying to reason. Before it was I'm sixty,
I like the way I look. I just don't like
these bands, so I'm gonna reverse my face versus I
don't like anything about the way I look, and I'm
gonna look different. The crisis is now my sixteen year
old niece has one million images a second of individuals,
(20:19):
images of things that you want to look like that
are not even images of real people. You want your
twelfth rib removed. Well, that's what I'm saying, and you're
waste this wide unattainable. It's unattainable ish naturally forget. There's
no squats, there's no diet, there's no yoga. Heard, it's
just nothing. So the crisis is a borsh of all
these problems. It's young people, the phone, the images, the apps,
(20:44):
the fact that there are a lot of people doing
these surgeries that are not classic surgeons. Like let's let's
let's imagine the petition. So you assume that if you
go see a guy or gal who does cosmetic surgery,
they're trained in cosmic surgery. Right, No, that's not in America.
I can deliver a baby tomorrow, I can remove a
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tumor out of someone's brain. I'm not a nurth surgeon
or nobi, but I have a medical degree. And then
my medical degree allows me the scope of ability to do.
The place that will stop me from doing that is
the hospital because they require privileges and free to show
that you've done. But these procedures are done in your
own private center. Oh my god. You know I have
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a lot of lutino patients, maybe a third of my patients.
There's a cultural component. Why do you think that? Is
that that it's such a common occurrence with Latin as
it's more popular in Latin America. Have the big butt first,
or like number one. The idea of being attractive is
a much higher of importance. I mean, go look at
a telenovela, go look at a news anchor. There's no
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other place on TV today where everyone is super hot.
The second is that there's a lot of reverence for
medical culture. Doctor. That's what it told me. And the
last thing is that you said it best. It's a luxury.
But in this sense, if you can't afford doctor, a
good doctor, and you want it and I gotta have it,
I'll find it. So that's what I feel. If most
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kids are seeing all these influx of images, most of
those images are things that you need this luxury to attain,
then of course they're gonna go get twenty dollar fillers.
How do we fix it? Well, you start by this conversation,
You start by people who actually have a dialogue. It's
really ultimately our responsibility, right, we're ultimately you can do
whatever you want to do. I don't do it. Yes,
(22:29):
you can't have it. Well, I want to bring somebody
out now that it's going to join you in this
whole situation. Six year old YouTube star Gaby de Martino
started her popular YouTube channel with her twin sister over
a decade ago. Their channel has accumulated over one point
three billion views. Gabby says she was never happy with
her looks and got her first cosmetic procedure when she
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was eighteen. Today, she has had over eighty cosmetic procedures
in the past eight years, but now she regrets through obsession,
and she worries about how she may have influenced her
twenty million followers on social media. Welcome Gabby. Hi, so
nice to meet you, guys. Let's see what you used
to look like. Okay, still a beautiful girl. Different. How
(23:15):
old were you in that pick? I was seventeen or
sixteen there. That was as I was starting my YouTube career.
When you started YouTube, you had already had some stuff done. Yes,
the majority of my procedures were filler, but I've surgically
gone under the knife two times. One of them was
four procedures and the other was just one. Rhino plasti
impulsivity was my middle name, and now I'm paying for it.
(23:37):
It was getting pretty bad. I was literally bringing filler
injectors to my house like every other week. Oh my god,
I heard so much more than filler. Like I was
just never happy in my own shoes. I look back
at those photos now and I'm like, oh my god,
I was so pretty. But my fiance right now actually
is the one that opened my eyes to that. Like
(23:58):
before I was just like, I really didn't think I
was attractive and he's like, oh my god, you're so
hot in your eighteen nineteen year old photos, and I'm like,
you think so, And the more he was like saying that,
I actually started seeing it myself. But it's beyond validation
of others, which is what started all of my procedures.
Even before YouTube, I hated my lips, but it was
(24:19):
because people at school, the boys were calling me a
gargoyle because I had thin lips. Like it all started
with bullying, and so it was definitely all mental. And
that's twice so we've heard that it started with bullying. Yes,
I think the bullying is really what pushed me to
want instant gratification with my looks. I fell for believing
I was an ugly person and now I'm a twenty
(24:40):
six year old going on twenty seven, and I'm trying
to change myself back to what I used to look like.
And I never in a million year thought that I
would do that. Do you both have said, oh, it
helped me in my career. Do you think it was
actually the look change that helped or was it just
your beautiful personality that was there. Either way, I'm realizing
I just associate my facial changes with my success. I
think I was in the right place at the right time,
(25:02):
and I worked really hard. So I don't think I
would give credit to the plastic surgery. I think I
would give it to my heart with me if I
always had a good personality and I never change the
way I am with people or nothing. I was not
happy with how I looked, So how am I going
to move forward if I'm not happy with myself? You know,
I don't regret nothing I have done. I don't regret anything.
(25:22):
You know. The one surgery I do not regret is
my nose job. It was something I truly wanted to
do since I was like eight. I just didn't know
what the heck it was. I was already in an
insecure place in my life. And then, you know, as
the world continued to shove like a false idea of
beauty and people's faces, I feel like the worst my
mentality got with procedures, and I think that's why I
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regret them. It's interesting because in the same person, you
have a person who loves plastic surgery her nose because
it was something that benefit her and she empowered her,
and she has things that she did she hated her
nose job didn't make her great YouTuber, but the fact
that it was something she wanted that enhanced her. It
allowed her to give her the confidence to be the
person she's always exactly. So it's not gonna make or
(26:08):
break you. It just pushes you in the direction and
you're destined to go. You have an identical twin, yes,
all right, anywhere deep inside there? Do you think that
you were hankering to look different? Yes, this is true.
I just had identity issues in general, Like I tried
looking like celebrities at one point in my life. If
you want my honest opinion, based off of like my
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really extensive therapy, I think I was battling body dysmorphia,
and the career path I was in just magnified it.
Got it the moment I started being kinder to myself
and patient and not wanting instant gratification and not acting
on impulse. With all my inner work, I'm finally in
a place where I genuinely love who I am. What
advice do you want to share with your fans? I
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just wished my young followers knew that it's okay not
to look like the girl on TikTok. It's okay to
not look like the Snapchat filter. And when you see
these Snapchat filter there's people like who really think this
is what humans should look like and it's literally a filter.
If you want to then do whatever makes you happy.
But at the end of the day, if you're doing
something not for yourself and because people say you need
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to do this, or because you're feeling pressured to do something,
I say, don't do it. It's okay to feel insecure,
it's okay to not like something about yourself. But what's
not okay is giving into societal pressures when you never
even thought in your head naturally that you wanted to
do it. So work on in here, That's what I
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want to tell them. The more you focus in here,
the better everything else out here becomes. I agree with you.
I agree with you. I want to thank you Nicole
and Gabby and all our guests doctor for being here.
The bottom line is that no one should feel pressured
into surgery. Ultimately, it's about what is right for you.
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And if a little nipper tuck will boost your confidence
or empower you in any way, why not. But just
please make sure you consult a board certified surgeon before
having any work done. Not so much. Tis not the
property around your age. I'm gonna be more. But that
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fourth one you're gonna regret it. I'll promise you. Even
if you gain weight, you're not gonna gain weight in
the areas that have no fact because fat's gone. You're
gonna gain it in whatever's left. Yeah, you're gonna regret it.
I don't think. Thanks for listening. To join the Red
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