June 16, 2025 • 35 mins
Standing in nobody’s shadows, going according to their own algorithms. Panamanian Afro-House en Español Pioneer Nino Augustine.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Make God has something so honest.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
If I have to make a blanket statement about Panamanian's
behanded is that we're stubborn and before any of you
pick up your pitchforks, I think that's a good thing, malation.
It keeps us raw fresh, running in the opposite direction
which can come off as crazy, and we are crazily talented.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Someone talent.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We're too talented to be put into a box. And
in my opinion, the industry doesn't understand us or know
what to do with us, and NHS it gets and
wants us to play the game from more recent which
is why I was typed to be able to trap
it up with NIMS Nino Augustins more than NAD While
(00:47):
the industry is pushing everybody to do that same old
reggaton formula. Nino said, nah, I'm good, and he's paving
his own name with Africa House and fane see through
solid Spanish vocals, African rhythm, Caribbean energy tempo, and you
already know we cann't stop there. Massive producer Artita and
(01:13):
yes Elen Mano, the tiny Chinese brother. But don't get
it twisted. Propriabos so proprite it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Missle. His sound is bold fresh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I can kora song this episode, Paola, this is that
so re formula Alma solo.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
E levada. Let's get into it, Aki.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And that's what.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I don't call the lost colleageos'. You know, Argustine on
your personal name down so cheesy.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Happy to see a familia meilia, Yes, yesserve a donkey
and grammys we pa how.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Are you feeling.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Projector the promotion on the project and.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Prosi to.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Champion names?
Speaker 8 (02:41):
Is it champion name?
Speaker 6 (02:43):
You say the name is jan It is the more
promotional that.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
How do you feel?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Yes, it's center young and bring to intern Plato.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
Said, it's not for not for la la da elementos,
the the afro b afropol, Susie Petin's I usually supers
so mush mentor that the.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Land or nothing so so you know maza and much like.
Speaker 9 (03:22):
M look at my throw for like a website, you know,
bangs them and they have to move to the girls,
the belad right after like Genda the feci, you know,
one of the little DSPs and themento de la la
that's young because you like to merge everything.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Like one of la Let's see some fs amente sa
who know that I that I that Cosama man defici
the then then like nucleper come on, don the circle
local una he put us on, put up a gimpo
not la rasake can la creativia no dna limiteds m
(04:05):
so I some more Creago Okay okay album albo freco,
Yes a lokay music Algo algoreco.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
Yeah it's you.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You can't no no pen sataga can have no like
with that livery you know.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
On flexida being porkno nothing again sam no I okay
talk got the person so little Mikratia or I said.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Lokman to process.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So you going on to come on to manta aviata
because I moved you. I'm your po friends started right
process like on a so so look at start.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Not but that's a lot so that I'm going on.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
One of your your collection you need so the mos
be like like like so Musica there's a former literally pongo.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
You too, mocho. So so it's cos.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Okay come in the own for so you need come
come like endo musica yendo mentalist beingo.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
For kids and moment holds it like they agreed, right,
it's one of whatever that like the mom if you
don't understand like the basics of like you know what
there's a composition, how are you.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Gonna compose exactly?
Speaker 6 (06:06):
You've been okay your endoorando, he.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
Said, joy.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
I challenged myself, you know and and and course Creando
normally I love that's.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Name, I said, single on you know, you know, uh.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
It's a term processing. You're indiendo as my journey has been,
you know, like developing. But all of course we have
said Andy al saek importante, the the business and the
(07:06):
osio you come from coursa episode independent importante. He cannot
you know, and come mahind and and dec yes, aprendosi
that's a local locally real young.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Needs no one's because I mean.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
You know he sma can be a tan can be
at tano so.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Same pen.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
Yea yeah a cours so but yeah, so our young
needs like brend the Lomi.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Com has multi.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Mmmm let's.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
You know your your physical poet and my poet. There's
one thing the pente is like you know, my fruit
throw your you know, my processor sake is tamos and
care ifflents. You know, well be Loka is mainstream your
(08:26):
toy literal so you know recto and lokay and lokay
and okay and okay to c and okay loktka carrera
okay ceo minna trama endo processor the progress markinas in Mansi.
(08:47):
You look area altra, you don put me filming and prop.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So it's true.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
So they joy what androp and you're like, what isn't
expect of the language that penalia.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
They like.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Like what's what's working?
Speaker 8 (09:12):
You know?
Speaker 7 (09:13):
But the the the meta look look for me, look
at look at that, look at the sonando pin Okay,
we've been finaleitia in to sientes cas or the United
properta realna know Sandow Joe so king so and musica
(09:42):
say so joever that you being's okay, okay, it's a
it's an advantage okay, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So so I can and music you can do and
so and so on that you already know how it be.
I don't want to pause.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But you're here with more, you know, Augustine, right after
these massages, don't move.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
One of the best opportunities that you feel like the
industry is providing right now for artists to like be
their best sells, Like what's working that they're offering, and.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Then to Fronto you know, Directamente and links.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Algo tong in Santana La technolog you know, fast likes,
so move on.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
My first's okay and hey, so that the Decay albums
and yeah musica, Yeah I am.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yea and got amazing to me.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You know, you know you're not for as soon as better?
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Okay, not like.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean to say, you're my fruit was.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Ma.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Yeah, marcelerassum. There is perfect marcelerassum the al in a.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, so not all Kobe paste, Kobe paste, Kobe paste.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
You're okay, Okay, we should start championing again, champions.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Like I said, no, but it's true. That's the first
tament you know, I'm an you know about the group,
and that's that's pretty much the.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Mold of like our culture right one way, and that's
how we like the format things.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And it's like, I think it's cool that in hip hop,
like I'm Cardi B Andnglorella, you're Nikki, you know, they're
so different and they're all celebrated at the same time, right,
another lot of like.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
The only thing of Cause Temple, I mean, yeah, Yeahla
is getting.
Speaker 10 (13:23):
You know, Yes, I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Okay, okay, then, but that said, and my last question
really like what does it mean to shift culture?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Like you know, every artist stream, it doesn't matter if
it's mainstream or underground.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Like I feel like, you know, the space, it's big,
it is, but it's also now like we're all in
the same ron, right, so I feel like, you know,
everybody sees each other, like you know, you have collaborated
with some really great artists as well, and then they
real recognized real you know, and then which case you're
you're leaving your mark Marc with Champion.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Then but you know your artistry, what does that mean.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
For you to like leave that mark honestly?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Like Joe.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
And Yo, yeah, okay, I said the full Okay, you're so.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Little chances the dec and sim.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
Soame you know, God, guy did I with Guy?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Okay, I get that you hallow yallow town local poke, so.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Said so como no I mass representation said local local
local pal Joe. I made peace with that, well, you know,
and I said, yeah, Periment said, but pack that's masses
(15:37):
massas consume, mark consume big machines. So marked metoka.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
Forma.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
He said, okay yo, yeah, I just I'm just I
made peace with being a heading gem. Like literally, I'm like,
I treat my career as a heating gem.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
So there's like I tell, do you know.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Your world?
Speaker 6 (16:09):
And we went to okay, I've been consistent.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
So I'm a hitting Jim and and I'm in peace
with that, you see, you know. I mean, I'm in
peace with being this vinyl that is like gold and
it's worth a lot of money. Like that's how I
feel about my career, is like this is this.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Is a hitting Jim will be like yes, yes, yeah,
thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
I deal.
Speaker 12 (17:00):
So, first of all, he's one of the more talented
people I've had the pleasure of knowing throughout the years
in this crazy industry.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
In to be quite honest, here, we interviewed.
Speaker 12 (17:09):
Twice to be able to capture something epic by I
was skeptical about going there from my analysis, but I'm
gonna take it there. Let's talk about racism and the
Latin music industry really quickly, because honestly, it's just ridiculous. Okay,
So in the industry, there are these phenomenons that exists
for people of color that skate past the line of
tokenization and just straight kopy. I'm going to flow the
(17:32):
all the now for the people who are wondering, are
there any industry wide type didty.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Scenarios in this industry. No, but that doesn't mean that
there aren't predators.
Speaker 12 (17:42):
Side note, Diddy was looking to do business in Latin
music during the time of the rollout of his last album,
The Love Album.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
I actually met him, interviewed him, hogged him.
Speaker 12 (17:54):
I've been in shock since the allegations dropped from PASSI,
but that's a story for another day.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
My point is there are many things I had to learn.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
About the creative process, cloud, who's in power, and the
rise of an artist throughout.
Speaker 10 (18:06):
The years, and what talent actually means.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
Talent in the industry to me, means to be able
to carry artistically and see projects to completion. In my opinion,
some of the most talented indie artists are the ones
putting out music on a consistent basis, because much of
the development process they take on themselves. Talent in this
industry means being involved in your creative process, but also
(18:30):
keeping up when other brilliant minds join the room. It's
one thing for you to be brilliant, but it's another
thing for you to be in a room full of
other brilliant people. You really got to like remind people
while you're there. And I feel like that's fair. The
best of the best should be with the best of
the best. And where I'm going is, I've noticed the
Latin industry on the business side. It's filled with a
lot of women, yay, which I love to see as
(18:53):
a plus. But women can and regularly do hold up
patriarchy and most of.
Speaker 10 (18:58):
Them being white, forget about it. I'm reeling it in.
Stay with me.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
The truth is, in the industry, people see talent coming
from a black person and think, how can apply this
to somebody else or something else.
Speaker 10 (19:11):
We're a different product.
Speaker 12 (19:12):
And if you think I'm thinking I'm the bull yas
I am, the truth is, I mean, look at everything
going on with these ice raids right. A ton of
people in these industries are frozen, right, everybody's mad.
Speaker 10 (19:24):
Oh, people aren't speaking up whatever.
Speaker 12 (19:26):
And I'm gonna tell you something, as someone who's been
speaking up my whole career, these people wouldn't know what
to say even if you gave them talking points. Why,
because of the way racism works in this industry. It's
systemic and it keeps a lot of people in power
ignorant a and osalaether.
Speaker 10 (19:43):
Okay, So bringing it.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
Back and why the hell did I mention day because
if y'all knew the weird fucking dynamics that I experience
coming out of that scenario after that press day when
the allegations came out, and the way people were eager
to say people are always trying to hold him down
really aka dedicated to not seeing the abuse for what
it was aka holding up patriarchy aka also racism because
(20:09):
to tell me a black women's that to my face,
it's kind of crazy and all of that. What because
the allegations were too early. If I start talking, everybody's
about it. Beat this now where talented acts like Nino,
I'm going there because the truth is people see greatness,
act like they don't see greatness and play with the
time of black people and Latin music just say.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
But mas.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
Like another way, like yo, they here, look at the
hit That's all I got for a lot a lot.
Speaker 10 (20:37):
This week Mike Drop Mattha.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Mean Henther.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
The Codes of Today with Massis, the amazing producer artist
who so happened to be the brother of tiny let's
get into its.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Hands said hey, don't go loscos and Grandpa saying you
know that massis.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Okay report maybe.
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Being a getting a bearna.
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Yes, instagramming is weak. Donkeys advises the concept of gonzas or.
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My story, the.
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The miso.
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Okay, l les get a constan where.
Speaker 13 (22:00):
I mean raa mayo tita he at the so wo
call you you're gonna be in a pro.
Speaker 8 (22:20):
Tita, the I'm up, I'm about at the empress and
well my dete where you okay, I mean music boy
and so mayo see imp at the at the boy
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pat have said.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
The donors.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
Carolina, the donors Carolina, but.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
That's like on the persona the carol Puerto Rico, the
okay for an attributors colleges, mi's the nice guy, I a.
Speaker 13 (23:23):
Carolina and you know sid my halling cantante.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
All specific a ConA.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
The Puerto Rican where you also sent and not gus home.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
And at the come on okay and the super hero
lor Arrow and you know the super and.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I don't as a rap as a drap gm mana that's.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Even artistic where yaha so yoga yao coko o kayo
dango the coursa see influence wrong, he said, the boy
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is a young and which don't he drapp logo nt.
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Yamana cause is young momento historica and on the yeah portrayen,
portrayen t little flooring and.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
Can control when.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
You've come back, come a different concertomona and momentum more interesting,
inter is something and on the literal men were okay
almost go ahead, no not so okay, I'm being so beta.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Con conn.
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Actually okay, what is cry?
Speaker 10 (26:02):
All right?
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And on the jo.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
You know where the moon.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
No?
Speaker 8 (26:25):
I know you ma moo.
Speaker 13 (26:32):
So moves he got yourn you ol super young. The dico,
he commented, you know, Bob, don't.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Drug in the lomer one.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You're gonna call you artistical? Right Como mands to.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Like come on like.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
T work, I want to hand then like sonia.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Also like what is it called the prop.
Speaker 13 (27:36):
Musica and so they are too golorus too persona and
then other people the music boy and so the golor the.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Everything different to your probio. Yes, my grand.
Speaker 13 (28:06):
Vin's says, what.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Is on aspect of the.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Yang where you land local being so.
Speaker 13 (28:41):
I'm being boys kenendo.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Numero corando movies goa where you and gog yes employe yes, oh.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yo, letters, sentiment economic, got my own prom promo s Metaplica,
Porcatory Lanes, then single President, Pasion and mens it works
smimo like Frequencia if Metaplica, I'm locate you know our
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saying okay, Geatory lanes, Investor.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Pa, com.
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C minor and como playing for.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Simple shows as movement sel the okay and.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
There's a fortun and the like.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And last then commos you know six figures seem ok
ceo solo.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Mita veso you know, so you know, and go look
at to see like it's doing.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
My star like I'm moucho island demand and normal and
no sd K as argo simplemented right o and okay,
sis done the santo per the moments so not then
(31:00):
a numbers my aunts.
Speaker 13 (31:01):
Yeah come okay, so like what what does that make
scept you know Joe im post the timber coal, I
mean go.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Where that resent Tomila ging tom Be don't say ye
wur come so's yeah goo be p.
Speaker 13 (31:35):
So you're gonna film pass a little on the final
personal fluid of the sat the como and know you're
gonna toga. You know, I'm gonna care invelopment where you're
gonna feel Gundi amantas and.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
That obvia. You know, so they comingo.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Los y.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Mean some moons. That's what nothing happened for me. I
can wait to hear what you have to say right now.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And what is your name? And where are you from?
Speaker 16 (32:42):
My name is Hayla. I'm from Boston. My parents are
from Panama.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, what is it that you like about? I love that.
Speaker 12 (32:52):
Anybody can be vibe in sway.
Speaker 16 (32:54):
It could be any type of people, any different type
of cultures that brings everybody in. It doesn't matter if
you're Latin or not. Everybody loves Segaton.
Speaker 12 (33:01):
And what are you enjoying about Hegaton right now?
Speaker 16 (33:04):
In this moment, I feel like what I really love
what Regaton right now? I love that by Bunny, he's
bringing in a lot of Americans to Puerto Rico. For
his answer, He's basically like, if you guys want to
hear my music, if you guys want to see my concert,
come to Puerto Rico, bring some money in to the locals.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And what's about Hagaton they like the most?
Speaker 16 (33:26):
I like Pereo. I really like early two thousands, like
luciandel Ali that okay, okay, okay, and anything that you're like,
we can do without this right now, we can do
with Spaniards coming into Reggaeton. Why because Reggaton originated. Reggaeton
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came for reggae, which is from Jamaicans. Jamaicans came into
Panama to help with the canal and that's how Regaton
became about and has been doing the thing with Regaton,
which we very much appreciate, but we gotta give kudos
to where it came from, to be honest.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
So like, why is it bad that spangers come in,
Like they can't come in?
Speaker 16 (34:14):
They could come in if it's collaborated with the right
people that know their ship, that are.
Speaker 10 (34:19):
A part of.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Basically, Okay, okay, cool, thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Me.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's been an amazing episode, has it now? Well, all
of it's not possible without my team, So it's time
with La Flores is an Heir Media production executive produced media.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Edited by.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Produced by Grace Gonzalez mea Mode. Shout out to my
amazing production assistant Naomia Sevedo and Kayla Ecleston.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Las Amo music by Hobbie Vibes.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Lave Bra shot directly from Clevelander and South Miami Beach.
Your I'm Your Host, Lagatta, see you next time here
and Ragatta Lagata
Make God has something so honest.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
If I have to make a blanket statement about Panamanian's
behanded is that we're stubborn and before any of you
pick up your pitchforks, I think that's a good thing, malation.
It keeps us raw fresh, running in the opposite direction
which can come off as crazy, and we are crazily talented.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Someone talent.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We're too talented to be put into a box. And
in my opinion, the industry doesn't understand us or know
what to do with us, and NHS it gets and
wants us to play the game from more recent which
is why I was typed to be able to trap
it up with NIMS Nino Augustins more than NAD While
(00:47):
the industry is pushing everybody to do that same old
reggaton formula. Nino said, nah, I'm good, and he's paving
his own name with Africa House and fane see through
solid Spanish vocals, African rhythm, Caribbean energy tempo, and you
already know we cann't stop there. Massive producer Artita and
(01:13):
yes Elen Mano, the tiny Chinese brother. But don't get
it twisted. Propriabos so proprite it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Missle. His sound is bold fresh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I can kora song this episode, Paola, this is that
so re formula Alma solo.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
E levada. Let's get into it, Aki.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And that's what.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I don't call the lost colleageos'. You know, Argustine on
your personal name down so cheesy.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Happy to see a familia meilia, Yes, yesserve a donkey
and grammys we pa how.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Are you feeling.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Projector the promotion on the project and.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Prosi to.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Champion names?
Speaker 8 (02:41):
Is it champion name?
Speaker 6 (02:43):
You say the name is jan It is the more
promotional that.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
How do you feel?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Yes, it's center young and bring to intern Plato.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
Said, it's not for not for la la da elementos,
the the afro b afropol, Susie Petin's I usually supers
so mush mentor that the.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Land or nothing so so you know maza and much like.
Speaker 9 (03:22):
M look at my throw for like a website, you know,
bangs them and they have to move to the girls,
the belad right after like Genda the feci, you know,
one of the little DSPs and themento de la la
that's young because you like to merge everything.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Like one of la Let's see some fs amente sa
who know that I that I that Cosama man defici
the then then like nucleper come on, don the circle
local una he put us on, put up a gimpo
not la rasake can la creativia no dna limiteds m
(04:05):
so I some more Creago Okay okay album albo freco,
Yes a lokay music Algo algoreco.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
Yeah it's you.
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be like like like so Musica there's a former literally pongo.
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come like endo musica yendo mentalist beingo.
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it's one of whatever that like the mom if you
don't understand like the basics of like you know what
there's a composition, how are you.
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Gonna compose exactly?
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Said, joy.
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you know, like developing. But all of course we have
said Andy al saek importante, the the business and the
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osio you come from coursa episode independent importante. He cannot
you know, and come mahind and and dec yes, aprendosi
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one thing the pente is like you know, my fruit
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You know?
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say so joever that you being's okay, okay, it's a
it's an advantage okay, okay, so.
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So so I can and music you can do and
so and so on that you already know how it be.
I don't want to pause.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But you're here with more, you know, Augustine, right after
these massages, don't move.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
One of the best opportunities that you feel like the
industry is providing right now for artists to like be
their best sells, Like what's working that they're offering, and.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Then to Fronto you know, Directamente and links.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Algo tong in Santana La technolog you know, fast likes,
so move on.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
My first's okay and hey, so that the Decay albums
and yeah musica, Yeah I am.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yea and got amazing to me.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You know, you know you're not for as soon as better?
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Okay, not like.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean to say, you're my fruit was.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
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Speaker 7 (11:50):
Yeah, marcelerassum. There is perfect marcelerassum the al in a.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, so not all Kobe paste, Kobe paste, Kobe paste.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
You're okay, Okay, we should start championing again, champions.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Like I said, no, but it's true. That's the first
tament you know, I'm an you know about the group,
and that's that's pretty much the.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Mold of like our culture right one way, and that's
how we like the format things.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And it's like, I think it's cool that in hip hop,
like I'm Cardi B Andnglorella, you're Nikki, you know, they're
so different and they're all celebrated at the same time, right,
another lot of like.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
The only thing of Cause Temple, I mean, yeah, Yeahla
is getting.
Speaker 10 (13:23):
You know, Yes, I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Okay, okay, then, but that said, and my last question
really like what does it mean to shift culture?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Like you know, every artist stream, it doesn't matter if
it's mainstream or underground.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Like I feel like, you know, the space, it's big,
it is, but it's also now like we're all in
the same ron, right, so I feel like, you know,
everybody sees each other, like you know, you have collaborated
with some really great artists as well, and then they
real recognized real you know, and then which case you're
you're leaving your mark Marc with Champion.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Then but you know your artistry, what does that mean.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
For you to like leave that mark honestly?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Like Joe.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
And Yo, yeah, okay, I said the full Okay, you're so.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Little chances the dec and sim.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
Soame you know, God, guy did I with Guy?
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You know?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Okay, I get that you hallow yallow town local poke, so.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Said so como no I mass representation said local local
local pal Joe. I made peace with that, well, you know,
and I said, yeah, Periment said, but pack that's masses
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massas consume, mark consume big machines. So marked metoka.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
Forma.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
He said, okay yo, yeah, I just I'm just I
made peace with being a heading gem. Like literally, I'm like,
I treat my career as a heating gem.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
So there's like I tell, do you know.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Your world?
Speaker 6 (16:09):
And we went to okay, I've been consistent.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
So I'm a hitting Jim and and I'm in peace
with that, you see, you know. I mean, I'm in
peace with being this vinyl that is like gold and
it's worth a lot of money. Like that's how I
feel about my career, is like this is this.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Is a hitting Jim will be like yes, yes, yeah,
thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
I deal.
Speaker 12 (17:00):
So, first of all, he's one of the more talented
people I've had the pleasure of knowing throughout the years
in this crazy industry.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
In to be quite honest, here, we interviewed.
Speaker 12 (17:09):
Twice to be able to capture something epic by I
was skeptical about going there from my analysis, but I'm
gonna take it there. Let's talk about racism and the
Latin music industry really quickly, because honestly, it's just ridiculous. Okay,
So in the industry, there are these phenomenons that exists
for people of color that skate past the line of
tokenization and just straight kopy. I'm going to flow the
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all the now for the people who are wondering, are
there any industry wide type didty.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Scenarios in this industry. No, but that doesn't mean that
there aren't predators.
Speaker 12 (17:42):
Side note, Diddy was looking to do business in Latin
music during the time of the rollout of his last album,
The Love Album.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
I actually met him, interviewed him, hogged him.
Speaker 12 (17:54):
I've been in shock since the allegations dropped from PASSI,
but that's a story for another day.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
My point is there are many things I had to learn.
Speaker 12 (18:02):
About the creative process, cloud, who's in power, and the
rise of an artist throughout.
Speaker 10 (18:06):
The years, and what talent actually means.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
Talent in the industry to me, means to be able
to carry artistically and see projects to completion. In my opinion,
some of the most talented indie artists are the ones
putting out music on a consistent basis, because much of
the development process they take on themselves. Talent in this
industry means being involved in your creative process, but also
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keeping up when other brilliant minds join the room. It's
one thing for you to be brilliant, but it's another
thing for you to be in a room full of
other brilliant people. You really got to like remind people
while you're there. And I feel like that's fair. The
best of the best should be with the best of
the best. And where I'm going is, I've noticed the
Latin industry on the business side. It's filled with a
lot of women, yay, which I love to see as
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a plus. But women can and regularly do hold up
patriarchy and most of.
Speaker 10 (18:58):
Them being white, forget about it. I'm reeling it in.
Stay with me.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
The truth is, in the industry, people see talent coming
from a black person and think, how can apply this
to somebody else or something else.
Speaker 10 (19:11):
We're a different product.
Speaker 12 (19:12):
And if you think I'm thinking I'm the bull yas
I am, the truth is, I mean, look at everything
going on with these ice raids right. A ton of
people in these industries are frozen, right, everybody's mad.
Speaker 10 (19:24):
Oh, people aren't speaking up whatever.
Speaker 12 (19:26):
And I'm gonna tell you something, as someone who's been
speaking up my whole career, these people wouldn't know what
to say even if you gave them talking points. Why,
because of the way racism works in this industry. It's
systemic and it keeps a lot of people in power
ignorant a and osalaether.
Speaker 10 (19:43):
Okay, So bringing it.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
Back and why the hell did I mention day because
if y'all knew the weird fucking dynamics that I experience
coming out of that scenario after that press day when
the allegations came out, and the way people were eager
to say people are always trying to hold him down
really aka dedicated to not seeing the abuse for what
it was aka holding up patriarchy aka also racism because
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to tell me a black women's that to my face,
it's kind of crazy and all of that. What because
the allegations were too early. If I start talking, everybody's
about it. Beat this now where talented acts like Nino,
I'm going there because the truth is people see greatness,
act like they don't see greatness and play with the
time of black people and Latin music just say.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
But mas.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
Like another way, like yo, they here, look at the
hit That's all I got for a lot a lot.
Speaker 10 (20:37):
This week Mike Drop Mattha.
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Mean Henther.
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The Codes of Today with Massis, the amazing producer artist
who so happened to be the brother of tiny let's
get into its.
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Hands said hey, don't go loscos and Grandpa saying you
know that massis.
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pat have said.
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Carolina, the donors Carolina, but.
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Con conn.
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You know where the moon.
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I know you ma moo.
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So moves he got yourn you ol super young. The dico,
he commented, you know, Bob, don't.
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Drug in the lomer one.
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You're gonna call you artistical? Right Como mands to.
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Like come on like.
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T work, I want to hand then like sonia.
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Also like what is it called the prop.
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Musica and so they are too golorus too persona and
then other people the music boy and so the golor the.
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at to see like it's doing.
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a numbers my aunts.
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scept you know Joe im post the timber coal, I
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personal fluid of the sat the como and know you're
gonna toga. You know, I'm gonna care invelopment where you're
gonna feel Gundi amantas and.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
That obvia. You know, so they comingo.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Los y.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Mean some moons. That's what nothing happened for me. I
can wait to hear what you have to say right now.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And what is your name? And where are you from?
Speaker 16 (32:42):
My name is Hayla. I'm from Boston. My parents are
from Panama.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, what is it that you like about? I love that.
Speaker 12 (32:52):
Anybody can be vibe in sway.
Speaker 16 (32:54):
It could be any type of people, any different type
of cultures that brings everybody in. It doesn't matter if
you're Latin or not. Everybody loves Segaton.
Speaker 12 (33:01):
And what are you enjoying about Hegaton right now?
Speaker 16 (33:04):
In this moment, I feel like what I really love
what Regaton right now? I love that by Bunny, he's
bringing in a lot of Americans to Puerto Rico. For
his answer, He's basically like, if you guys want to
hear my music, if you guys want to see my concert,
come to Puerto Rico, bring some money in to the locals.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And what's about Hagaton they like the most?
Speaker 16 (33:26):
I like Pereo. I really like early two thousands, like
luciandel Ali that okay, okay, okay, and anything that you're like,
we can do without this right now, we can do
with Spaniards coming into Reggaeton. Why because Reggaton originated. Reggaeton
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came for reggae, which is from Jamaicans. Jamaicans came into
Panama to help with the canal and that's how Regaton
became about and has been doing the thing with Regaton,
which we very much appreciate, but we gotta give kudos
to where it came from, to be honest.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
So like, why is it bad that spangers come in,
Like they can't come in?
Speaker 16 (34:14):
They could come in if it's collaborated with the right
people that know their ship, that are.
Speaker 10 (34:19):
A part of.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Basically, Okay, okay, cool, thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Me.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's been an amazing episode, has it now? Well, all
of it's not possible without my team, So it's time
with La Flores is an Heir Media production executive produced media.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Edited by.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Produced by Grace Gonzalez mea Mode. Shout out to my
amazing production assistant Naomia Sevedo and Kayla Ecleston.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Las Amo music by Hobbie Vibes.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Lave Bra shot directly from Clevelander and South Miami Beach.
Your I'm Your Host, Lagatta, see you next time here
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