July 26, 2025 • 47 mins
Inaru Nadia is a non-binary Boricua creative, activist, and the creator of Sombrilla Cuir, the organization that pushed for the "X" gender to be recognized on the island. They are a visionary hoping for a free and gender fluid Boriken and they're a good friend of mine. Tap in for the Queer Activism & the cross cultural & shared experiences of Perreo Cuir.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bien nios a queer.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm talking with inaRo Naya on female briant Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Queer collector.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Rigo and that queer, and we're gonna talk about what
it means to love reggaetono albajo, the culture and homophobiamo.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I don't think I need to translate that one or
at episodio.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
This episode is for everybody who has fell out of place.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Then la rico be.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Second four seconda in Aru no out that screwing the
queer and get that. But to put the Flora said,
I can compass sea though. It's about living without fear, behind,
(01:18):
with power and with pleasure as we deserve a.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Telling.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I got to ring with your not coming when we
started like Canto Puerto Rico, you know the lost young
queer Grando come, how's it going home? On guess, Oh
(02:29):
my gosh, I'm so happy and I'm excited, and we're
just gonna jump right into it, talking about the amazing
what that you're doing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
First and foremost, Gang like, who are you? What is
the who are you? What is the basis of your work?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Organ?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
What is my story?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
It's been a long journey. It all started okay, so
many years ago has been a hurricane. Maria came by
in Puerto Rico, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And them for Cremen and Sacoa, Joe.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Rascong Ke Sombria algo right and Pacifica you know, Maria
ke La persona trans novenaria and Cluendo Bega and Molo
(03:46):
Pasio as organization the person of trance, but no personal
aria ferri e o lad. In Facebook, we were just
(04:12):
gonna share news, right, It was just gonna be like
when Facebook. I remember one that was called have a
Gay Day. If y'all ever followed that page, Bassi.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
But then.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Hell podcast, so we started doing a lot of that, right,
and infographics actually, and Puerto Rico info graphics, if m
(04:51):
o ho different podcast podcast Participano and different conference hanging
Mundo e sonia joso persona nominaria on a persona trance
on a persona queer jo directamente the co Mario Puerto Rico,
(05:15):
Jos de la montag.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Mocho.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
But almas so so i activita, not so activita, so
equitor so called PhD and communic cicio contando per okay,
(05:49):
my super important song.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No, of course they're an icon they're amazing. No on
went there.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It was like the synergy for those of us who
are listening, Like the synergy was crazy. We met shout
out to comihane a conflict in Atlanta, vo and like
it was just like the sparks for this flying just flying,
it's flying, it's flying. And I was like, Ah, this
person's gonna say my life, Like I'm there. They're stuck
with me now, like it's over. No, And what's insane
(06:25):
is that our platforms have been within community sinsay, like
without us being conscious of it. Because back during Hurricane Maria,
I had made a post that was like you can't love.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The culture and not love the people, and that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Actually went viral because and of course I am well
within the the Aerrican community.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I mean how not?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And so I made a spreadsheet with like a lot
of organizations and so pretty a queer was there. So
when I find out that like and was like one
of the founders, I'm like, I've been supporting you for.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And so I like loved it.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It was like the universe was trying to pull this
together one way or another. So I love this.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Family.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So I love you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
In Yaro tell me because the work you do is amazing.
It's so necessary. I don't know a million times. And
as a person who insists, I understand because I listened
to other people of their experiences, right, and what's going on.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Honestly and Romano right and olenia soreso, because I know
people like that.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
You know what I mean, personal transuna momente in different
pas mah so o a personal trans bella, the maxico
(08:27):
cabe igua, velata maia mahia monita and passion, and the
black personal trans carribos almost momentescenamento a la vida communitaria
they're sent the other tennis, the passio they're sentio, the
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deliveracion collectiva, antia anticata, anti racita, anti colonial, lato tipo,
the the luchas plo, communi, ramente jo cento ke Puerto
(09:13):
in port Dante in Puerto Rico, Puerto ke persona considering
publicola consider.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Alve not oo hen mentor backlash like.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Mosalio, the politico Georgi Nawar and Puerto Rico que intention
contra the ta simu via peroa gay persona in aria
(09:52):
persona intersects and and then then the inter y Come on, lad,
do you really know what you're even like hating what
you're talking. No, yes, look, persona persona persona trance experiencia collectidoclus.
(10:27):
Sometimes they're not even gonna say it, but they're gonna
try to reject that it's not there, just like racism,
m PR, they're gonna they're always gonna be in like, oh,
it's not the same as the US. At least you're
not getting killed like the US. What the fuck are
you talking about?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
What you said?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I mean, there's so much complexity to that. I appreciate that,
dum being that last part. I'm really chewing on the
last part because I get it. There is a desire
to kind of like distinguish the loke, the islake and
(11:09):
la volentia l finale, loke pers trance al not lice, right,
you know, so it's as seen important the domni right,
So like at the end of the day, Yeah, I
(11:30):
super appreciate that you said that, and this this desire
of like and I superget it. Any chance that I
get to distinguish myself from the United States, I.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Take it because what is this country?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And I say that just because I mean, come on,
but the full regard of everything that's going on and
all of these initiatives, I feel like queer people, we
just be mining our business. We've been mining our queer
ass business and offer things right, people be so bothered,
and I'm just like, what is the issue, mama?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But like when?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But I don't want this to be a session of
trauma dumping because I think that there is amazing work.
I do want to give space for that, but I
also want to highlight the amazing work that you are
doing because it's revolutionary and I use that word very consciously.
And so Ghettoir, like, if you could tell me, like
(12:34):
a story that resonates with you regarding the impact that has.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Okay, so I have the perfect story.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
You know, as nerds, we know what kind of investigation
that's its called intersectional The impacto persona aa ea and right,
the Squando comments, persona in Aria, the seque and all
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these people who are like reflecting, they were thinking, oh yeah, personal.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Or the.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Persona trance is on the right medio levision persona, the
scene persona, and a lot of people realized that it
had to do a lot go on lasri A quirles
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k Jevan Dando, Impacto directo includes and on the persona
endot Organs Perto Rico right, yes for me bella mail
tambi I persona sa persona aria versus spot verla Yeah,
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b Marcalo come arioso mundo led the Ca personas n
ca and then.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
From Nino un com and quanto hen.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Get respect to the Tuila jela cos and no song
blanc unegro jela co no song as rojo jla co
no song and Bella come as Ellen pro asido mahay podcast,
mahay la him phographica mahaya the kej in Spira sa Queso.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
President ancestors for them right now, the.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Kings and saying, oh my god, Jose again to tell me,
mamsell in from my process which are very beautiful, is
elin Pato came person's because of the impact we've had,
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yes O s moso, Yes, Americ conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Do you know come og and differententa jocon and.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Ye so retomo cala rasa.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, sister.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
American so thedras. You can't go back after you've done that, you.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Know, Inno is so amazing. I'm learning so many things
from a hint. Will be right back right after these messages. Okay,
(16:48):
you'r meo mothers claro say mendre la bar right, Because
it's something that I, of course as an adult, as
as a young adult, and even as an older teenager,
that I was very aware of. I might not have
had the terminology, but I've gone educating myself over the
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years and.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Your c.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Because let's be honest, it's very sis het, it's very
since head. When queerness is ever introduced, it's always in
a way that's very tokenizing, and it's like you can't
but I what I love is and where I'm going
(17:47):
with this in my point is that queer people we love,
like we expressed our bodies through Regton as well, like
we're everywhere, you know, and so as hypermacho as all
that is. You know, like there's been a reclamation always
(18:09):
by grey people as long as.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Raton has existed.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And so I would love to hear your thoughts on that,
you know, coming from your words.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I definitely know my thoughts, but I would love to
hear yours because yeah, like, what is your experience as
a non binary person.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
With permera.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Jo Jo Bengalrio, I said, I remember this, Yeah, Exacrio
as a queer person. I live bullying in my whole life.
The kindergarten at b Severo, it will be.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Colla tam no l the trust. So the Contexto Regato Bella.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Includes Soada four que familiares dam and the Java known
tess persons, retog person class.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
N and.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Person the person Negra Kea ke Perto just said that
Quenta actually learn chance at Anton Repente and second by
Bonnie and second by Bonnie Mala.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Boni. That was the best artist that I could enter
with Aberto man and.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
That calls us simply because he's still the man as
a sas man a pero thenro but trou so ma
fasil jointrust can say you second, yes, Joe men contree
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Dad Chica a success be laa Jo Talvesa and Lo
(21:16):
Fermentino Mascolino Bela. And I didn't want to reject that,
but also I didn't want to be like misgendered, because
you know, I'm not binary and I'm she her they them,
I'm not he him, But I think masculinity is also
part of identity and resort and as you and with
(21:57):
a song that I just find, let's like the dement
but like when it hits, I suddenly get obsessed with
it mochosta and I said, and the land, you know,
(22:19):
but I love that song right now depends yo c okay.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
No mencanta sole combat bunny my story meda, Oh my god,
I trained the musica and p alaz mencanto.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Parence.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, but although no song sista right I literamente hen
person right person port and.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Surface right.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Chance chance.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Right dam being plos and to isla mia to the
his o contra can and like, you know, you get obsessed,
and I'm like, that's literally how it was for me.
Like Lime Wire, it was like a very interesting and
(23:59):
unique I had to be there to get it like
a download an album palm and then accidentally get you know,
the the Steve Jobs.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Audio recording an accident or to hear flow music like
it was a time.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It was beautiful, and so I love that you're on
this this path now because you're going backwards. It's even
better for you because Jack Cees they're like, yeah, you
can go back and you'll go down rabbit holes. And
you're like, I didn't know that they made this with
rock or this way, because even can pro for me
(24:45):
premier and support me podcast. Hello, the people love Nasty
and to Galactico, right and and so this is just
like the further point of like there's a diversity in Reggaeton,
(25:07):
of course I are I mean Maliellman Tu s so
Baco so like et Sara, Like there's so many different
avenues and directions that you can go in and I
just find it out to beautiful.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I love this for you.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I love this. Yeah, and you know what process so
because you know.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Maybe and you know how these many people are like
a people should just watch the Originals.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He and I'm like Mira.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Por pasal right and say a local persona ok, por
masque I the process of persona.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Boni right now, Yankee the fun fact jo Yankee, And
like Glas, it was a very colonial song, you know,
Colong you go loke paso bao literal ies, I made
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a very colonial song about it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
But you know, come, okay, it's a it's a funny
story for me now anti colon. But yeah, it's that
(27:19):
I feel like that's that's so wonderful for me as
a queer person, to be honest, I love that for you.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And your experience also reflects that of many Queer and
nine people because al finale, you know, because I consequence,
you know, like and so and and there's like an
(27:49):
exclusion that exists for a lot of people. Everybody doesn't
have a positive experience for I. I, of course I'm
an advocate, but I'm also a realist and I'm a
human being.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And let's say so everybody is like at a different
place in their past. My first lecture with.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I was challenged by someone who was like, Okay, but
what do you say to someone who who says that
this music is.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Like what do you do?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Like, what how do you defend that? And I'm like,
I can't. I can't. What I do say is that
if you wanted out.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The music, take it out of culture, take it out
of real life, because at the end of the this
music reflects that experience.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And it's true.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's true for every genre, but for some reason gets
a lot of flak for it. Right Existan, That's a classic.
But but yeah, and so moving forward, I do want
to touch on get a combat significant per combati.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Per pero combativo is home acto Humbai. It's a it's
a way of fighting through Regatoon is a pest. Do
come on medio protesta and Prince Almo Regola and on
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the mont pasi public necessa yes, yes, paradi rum per
passio yes and intentionally per combative Puerto rico e come
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intentionally formal activity from peria latsion sle ma lasik s
lam definite better.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Perfectly said, I have nothing to add. I'm gonna go
to the next question. Ye, yes soon and so prolifica
and my story the reggaeton.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Queer them the s super deficial, super personal end no
port a queer p u y super important queen.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Yeah and toll of Parti de pereo and took persona
queer cempre i queen.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
The man.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Obsess is in my playlist persona queer per se Biano Bianna,
I love her so much velamente jelopensar and Tokeisha and
government necessary amente second man Canta Tosham, the sex work
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Jo Pianzo amo A and Ana machoo I persona Kevin
fred Tambien be La and mosica a personas Aria come too,
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were some persona being prominent person see no necessary confrequence
Yeah a pero definite persona barsona sis p super important
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dress then queer complimentary queer card Baby Bao shout out
a Baby Bao for.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Super Evento. Baby Ba.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Pocused on personae pro some of my persona.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
To be honest, it too. I'm ready for that music.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I love you No, yeah, me too, s I was
learning in the studio yesterday. I'm so I have.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I have a queer EP that I'm working on and
the primeo Sally and pride because it's pero.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Pride is all here, So my better your pork you see.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
There on a perspectivemente not so you gotta hear me
row slap yo, betro soa andes pasio don't.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Then you can family and I can.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Professional men. You're not call me vocal tellers. You need
the parliaments. You're not pus and pacio so sentio, you're
no queer mass Then go.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Your cari like your.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Your sentiment and like lentecon. Because the mammy prom they
don't know me, they know my work, So to my mo.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Per k ok for me Musica and.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Mara you know primo because I'm much more than my work,
as amazing as it is, So thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
You for that, because for sure, yes, persona again, persona
queir nere, etcetera.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
De clarando tequir see so Phil comes. We can handle.
That's why we gotta do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I love you and yes, yea, I feel like we
can do more supermot each other. So I appreciate that always,
like I feel like it's true. While is significance the
role queer and like I know we've danced around us,
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but I love to hear, like what is the importance
of the role of queer people in regaton?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Like what is that up?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Circling back commonly saying corporates present wings stepped into music
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and meant yellow and he negra bela caravania, can dandle
the co la musica, raa and tn s and pecto
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rasa e l h ol persona queer exit and spasio
Hotel on a single background music Hotel, lhamo them okay
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es cantando Roman, cantandombre, cantan keet, couches bela adant personas
can not necessary a meral typical ombresis can mammy the
caro from the particula past again again frum be like
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Pappy RelA persona squeer so para super importante the eho
mimente okay, documents young historica like the document you historical
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Sava and contra and el cab and contra persona and pando.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Then to the.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Bela, so whna fucking locafarifo So whoa fucking loc mariquita
bela yeah, so jeva historia on process or the preservation
musica to the Presservando postorico and l cal persona queer
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and comment Sando mar terminos l punto criminadoo Lando can
you know ninol I love those songs to.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
L s ke counting so.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Dang unapologetic tang coach care and contral persona, Negra persona
and persona laone foot stemps Joes.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
And freda.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Come on man, Yesami you know don solo cafreri caa
quadrans lami is al go impacto and cota and impactoural
cambi alamento ra personas the Teto Victoria.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Main race recent.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I always like to ask seremetaret a cur and you
know and Vita if you if I asked, if there's
something that I did not ask you that you would
like to say.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Or comment on.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Mira Victoria markis be ramente lo a s no penser
lake song in p on into. He has a pre
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seasonmenter of the time into aspensar yagod victoria po political
in certo comple gal and many sinco pos defeasi peranza
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ja persona k normally recho jose lu the man come
person and a solo studjo e o termina comana called
alamanda the nmar l cam j camino arrest come persona
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jo you okay your recovery at recover a passio tocoloan
glo perto rico the persona translike to Marcelo mechanimo para
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e look.
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Other person.
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Severa passibly that process a person c s I to
yaml co persa therena.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
And second.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Now thank you, It mays.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Go to some soon is This is La La La,
and I want to take a moment to reflect on
my conversation with Innaru, a non binary activist writer in
future Laari, who is one of the co founders of
Frombria Queer. As you all heard, this wasn't just a
regular interview.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It was a.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Dialogue rooted in memory, identity and the radical power of
reclaiming space inadu sharing how Sombria Queer started as a
simple Facebook page after Hurricane Maria, eventually becoming a full
fledged organization offering infographics, workshop and even a podcast. What
set out to me is that it wasn't born out
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of theory or ambition.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It came from necessity. They told me.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
About realizing that they and others like them weren't eligible
for traditional scholarships because of the way their identities existed
outside the boxes those systems recognized. I feel that so
instead of waiting to be included, they created something of
their own.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I feel that too. That to me is what real
grassroots power looks like.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
When Annau introduced themselves as a non binary, transqueer person
from Amerio Puerto Rico, an activist, a PhD candidate, and more,
it was a reminder that our identities are expansive. Nado
exists in multiplicity and that informs their work. It's not
just personal, it's structural and it's grounded and lived experience.
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There's a clarity in how they move that can only
come from surviving what the system tries.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Their race.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Okay, what really hit me was when they talked about violence, Okay,
how the Caribbean and specifically Puerto Rico can be both
beautiful and violent. The reference moments where leadership displayed a
total lack of understanding about non binary people, saying things
like I don't even.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Know what that is and that rature is deadly Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Still INADU doesn't just talk about solution systems, change and
building something that lasts, okay. One story that stayed with
me and all of this was when they asked people
when did you first hear the.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Word non binary?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And people responded with four or five years ago, And
they said that was us, that was Friaqueer planning seeds.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Oh my god, it's the impact for me. Now they
hear from teenagers.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Whose parents support their transitions because their parents learned from Sombriaqueer.
That's the kind of cultural shift that algorithms can't measure.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
That's legacy, that's real.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
When we pivoted to Rayato, Innado was honest. They didn't
always feel connected to it growing up. It was linked
to bullying, gender policing, and machismo. But their perspective shifted
partly through the work of artists like Bad Bunny, who
opened space for more fluid expressions of gender and emotion.
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I love that for them, They said, Ragaton helped them
connect with both femininity and masculinity and that healing.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Is possible through that rhythm that blew me away.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Inau spoke about how even within a hyper masculine genre
like regaton, there's always been space for queer reclamation. Okay,
if there's anything I want you guys to take away
from this episode is this bodies in motion language flipped
on its head and knowing a space.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
That wasn't made for us but still belongs to us.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And that tension between the Ragaton we grew up on
and that Ragaton we want is something I think many
of us feel savin. What I took from Innado was
this there's no way to be a change maker. Whether
you're organizing, educating, creating content, or just existing in your truth,
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you know you're part of the movement. Finale, they're working
on protocols to refer the legal system in Puerto Rico. Yes,
every time I say per I gotta say Puerto.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Rico buck get it.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Okay, when the ex marker case for gender I D recognition,
and it reminded us not to let anyone say we
don't belong on the pathwork claiming period such a powerhouse and.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Not always creating cultural history.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
And I left this conversation not only inspired but seeing
If you haven't listened to the takeaway yet, I invite
you to re listen to this episode, okay, because this
is the work that's joyful, challenging.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
And rooted in our collective liberation. Why on me hand?
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
And that was a mouthful. Until next time. This is
La La La, stay loud, queer and in the rhythm
of Yao ra pla floor is Regatagata podcast is an
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iHeartMedia production, co executive producer of Shikirisi Media te Quiero.
Produced by Grace Gonzalez La Mia, edited by Slaipayan El Duro,
music by Hobby Vibes and shout out to my assistants
Nyomia Severdo and Kayla Ecleston.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I'm your host, Lagata.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
See you next week right here on the Regatta Podcast
on iHeart or wherever you listen.
Bien nios a queer.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm talking with inaRo Naya on female briant Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Queer collector.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Rigo and that queer, and we're gonna talk about what
it means to love reggaetono albajo, the culture and homophobiamo.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I don't think I need to translate that one or
at episodio.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
This episode is for everybody who has fell out of place.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Then la rico be.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Second four seconda in Aru no out that screwing the
queer and get that. But to put the Flora said,
I can compass sea though. It's about living without fear, behind,
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with power and with pleasure as we deserve a.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Telling.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I got to ring with your not coming when we
started like Canto Puerto Rico, you know the lost young
queer Grando come, how's it going home? On guess, Oh
(02:29):
my gosh, I'm so happy and I'm excited, and we're
just gonna jump right into it, talking about the amazing
what that you're doing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
First and foremost, Gang like, who are you? What is
the who are you? What is the basis of your work?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Organ?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
What is my story?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
It's been a long journey. It all started okay, so
many years ago has been a hurricane. Maria came by
in Puerto Rico, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And them for Cremen and Sacoa, Joe.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Rascong Ke Sombria algo right and Pacifica you know, Maria
ke La persona trans novenaria and Cluendo Bega and Molo
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Pasio as organization the person of trance, but no personal
aria ferri e o lad. In Facebook, we were just
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gonna share news, right, It was just gonna be like
when Facebook. I remember one that was called have a
Gay Day. If y'all ever followed that page, Bassi.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
But then.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Hell podcast, so we started doing a lot of that, right,
and infographics actually, and Puerto Rico info graphics, if m
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o ho different podcast podcast Participano and different conference hanging
Mundo e sonia joso persona nominaria on a persona trance
on a persona queer jo directamente the co Mario Puerto Rico,
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Jos de la montag.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Mocho.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
But almas so so i activita, not so activita, so
equitor so called PhD and communic cicio contando per okay,
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my super important song.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No, of course they're an icon they're amazing. No on
went there.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It was like the synergy for those of us who
are listening, Like the synergy was crazy. We met shout
out to comihane a conflict in Atlanta, vo and like
it was just like the sparks for this flying just flying,
it's flying, it's flying. And I was like, Ah, this
person's gonna say my life, Like I'm there. They're stuck
with me now, like it's over. No, And what's insane
(06:25):
is that our platforms have been within community sinsay, like
without us being conscious of it. Because back during Hurricane Maria,
I had made a post that was like you can't love.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The culture and not love the people, and that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Actually went viral because and of course I am well
within the the Aerrican community.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I mean how not?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And so I made a spreadsheet with like a lot
of organizations and so pretty a queer was there. So
when I find out that like and was like one
of the founders, I'm like, I've been supporting you for.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And so I like loved it.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It was like the universe was trying to pull this
together one way or another. So I love this.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Family.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So I love you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
In Yaro tell me because the work you do is amazing.
It's so necessary. I don't know a million times. And
as a person who insists, I understand because I listened
to other people of their experiences, right, and what's going on.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Honestly and Romano right and olenia soreso, because I know
people like that.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
You know what I mean, personal transuna momente in different
pas mah so o a personal trans bella, the maxico
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cabe igua, velata maia mahia monita and passion, and the
black personal trans carribos almost momentescenamento a la vida communitaria
they're sent the other tennis, the passio they're sentio, the
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deliveracion collectiva, antia anticata, anti racita, anti colonial, lato tipo,
the the luchas plo, communi, ramente jo cento ke Puerto
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in port Dante in Puerto Rico, Puerto ke persona considering
publicola consider.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Alve not oo hen mentor backlash like.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Mosalio, the politico Georgi Nawar and Puerto Rico que intention
contra the ta simu via peroa gay persona in aria
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persona intersects and and then then the inter y Come on, lad,
do you really know what you're even like hating what
you're talking. No, yes, look, persona persona persona trance experiencia collectidoclus.
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Sometimes they're not even gonna say it, but they're gonna
try to reject that it's not there, just like racism,
m PR, they're gonna they're always gonna be in like, oh,
it's not the same as the US. At least you're
not getting killed like the US. What the fuck are
you talking about?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
What you said?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I mean, there's so much complexity to that. I appreciate that,
dum being that last part. I'm really chewing on the
last part because I get it. There is a desire
to kind of like distinguish the loke, the islake and
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la volentia l finale, loke pers trance al not lice, right,
you know, so it's as seen important the domni right,
So like at the end of the day, Yeah, I
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super appreciate that you said that, and this this desire
of like and I superget it. Any chance that I
get to distinguish myself from the United States, I.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Take it because what is this country?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And I say that just because I mean, come on,
but the full regard of everything that's going on and
all of these initiatives, I feel like queer people, we
just be mining our business. We've been mining our queer
ass business and offer things right, people be so bothered,
and I'm just like, what is the issue, mama?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But like when?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But I don't want this to be a session of
trauma dumping because I think that there is amazing work.
I do want to give space for that, but I
also want to highlight the amazing work that you are
doing because it's revolutionary and I use that word very consciously.
And so Ghettoir, like, if you could tell me, like
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a story that resonates with you regarding the impact that has.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Okay, so I have the perfect story.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
You know, as nerds, we know what kind of investigation
that's its called intersectional The impacto persona aa ea and right,
the Squando comments, persona in Aria, the seque and all
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these people who are like reflecting, they were thinking, oh yeah, personal.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Or the.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Persona trance is on the right medio levision persona, the
scene persona, and a lot of people realized that it
had to do a lot go on lasri A quirles
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k Jevan Dando, Impacto directo includes and on the persona
endot Organs Perto Rico right, yes for me bella mail
tambi I persona sa persona aria versus spot verla Yeah,
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b Marcalo come arioso mundo led the Ca personas n
ca and then.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
From Nino un com and quanto hen.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Get respect to the Tuila jela cos and no song
blanc unegro jela co no song as rojo jla co
no song and Bella come as Ellen pro asido mahay podcast,
mahay la him phographica mahaya the kej in Spira sa Queso.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
President ancestors for them right now, the.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Kings and saying, oh my god, Jose again to tell me,
mamsell in from my process which are very beautiful, is
elin Pato came person's because of the impact we've had,
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yes O s moso, Yes, Americ conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Do you know come og and differententa jocon and.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Ye so retomo cala rasa.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, sister.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
American so thedras. You can't go back after you've done that, you.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Know, Inno is so amazing. I'm learning so many things
from a hint. Will be right back right after these messages. Okay,
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you'r meo mothers claro say mendre la bar right, Because
it's something that I, of course as an adult, as
as a young adult, and even as an older teenager,
that I was very aware of. I might not have
had the terminology, but I've gone educating myself over the
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years and.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Your c.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Because let's be honest, it's very sis het, it's very
since head. When queerness is ever introduced, it's always in
a way that's very tokenizing, and it's like you can't
but I what I love is and where I'm going
(17:47):
with this in my point is that queer people we love,
like we expressed our bodies through Regton as well, like
we're everywhere, you know, and so as hypermacho as all
that is. You know, like there's been a reclamation always
(18:09):
by grey people as long as.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Raton has existed.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And so I would love to hear your thoughts on that,
you know, coming from your words.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I definitely know my thoughts, but I would love to
hear yours because yeah, like, what is your experience as
a non binary person.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
With permera.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Jo Jo Bengalrio, I said, I remember this, Yeah, Exacrio
as a queer person. I live bullying in my whole life.
The kindergarten at b Severo, it will be.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Colla tam no l the trust. So the Contexto Regato Bella.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Includes Soada four que familiares dam and the Java known
tess persons, retog person class.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
N and.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Person the person Negra Kea ke Perto just said that
Quenta actually learn chance at Anton Repente and second by
Bonnie and second by Bonnie Mala.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Boni. That was the best artist that I could enter
with Aberto man and.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
That calls us simply because he's still the man as
a sas man a pero thenro but trou so ma
fasil jointrust can say you second, yes, Joe men contree
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Dad Chica a success be laa Jo Talvesa and Lo
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Fermentino Mascolino Bela. And I didn't want to reject that,
but also I didn't want to be like misgendered, because
you know, I'm not binary and I'm she her they them,
I'm not he him, But I think masculinity is also
part of identity and resort and as you and with
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a song that I just find, let's like the dement
but like when it hits, I suddenly get obsessed with
it mochosta and I said, and the land, you know,
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but I love that song right now depends yo c okay.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
No mencanta sole combat bunny my story meda, Oh my god,
I trained the musica and p alaz mencanto.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Parence.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, but although no song sista right I literamente hen
person right person port and.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Surface right.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Chance chance.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Right dam being plos and to isla mia to the
his o contra can and like, you know, you get obsessed,
and I'm like, that's literally how it was for me.
Like Lime Wire, it was like a very interesting and
(23:59):
unique I had to be there to get it like
a download an album palm and then accidentally get you know,
the the Steve Jobs.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Audio recording an accident or to hear flow music like
it was a time.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It was beautiful, and so I love that you're on
this this path now because you're going backwards. It's even
better for you because Jack Cees they're like, yeah, you
can go back and you'll go down rabbit holes. And
you're like, I didn't know that they made this with
rock or this way, because even can pro for me
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premier and support me podcast. Hello, the people love Nasty
and to Galactico, right and and so this is just
like the further point of like there's a diversity in Reggaeton,
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of course I are I mean Maliellman Tu s so
Baco so like et Sara, Like there's so many different
avenues and directions that you can go in and I
just find it out to beautiful.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I love this for you.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I love this. Yeah, and you know what process so
because you know.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Maybe and you know how these many people are like
a people should just watch the Originals.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He and I'm like Mira.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Por pasal right and say a local persona ok, por
masque I the process of persona.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Boni right now, Yankee the fun fact jo Yankee, And
like Glas, it was a very colonial song, you know,
Colong you go loke paso bao literal ies, I made
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a very colonial song about it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
But you know, come, okay, it's a it's a funny
story for me now anti colon. But yeah, it's that
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I feel like that's that's so wonderful for me as
a queer person, to be honest, I love that for you.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And your experience also reflects that of many Queer and
nine people because al finale, you know, because I consequence,
you know, like and so and and there's like an
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exclusion that exists for a lot of people. Everybody doesn't
have a positive experience for I. I, of course I'm
an advocate, but I'm also a realist and I'm a
human being.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And let's say so everybody is like at a different
place in their past. My first lecture with.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I was challenged by someone who was like, Okay, but
what do you say to someone who who says that
this music is.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Like what do you do?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Like, what how do you defend that? And I'm like,
I can't. I can't. What I do say is that
if you wanted out.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The music, take it out of culture, take it out
of real life, because at the end of the this
music reflects that experience.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And it's true.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's true for every genre, but for some reason gets
a lot of flak for it. Right Existan, That's a classic.
But but yeah, and so moving forward, I do want
to touch on get a combat significant per combati.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Per pero combativo is home acto Humbai. It's a it's
a way of fighting through Regatoon is a pest. Do
come on medio protesta and Prince Almo Regola and on
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the mont pasi public necessa yes, yes, paradi rum per
passio yes and intentionally per combative Puerto rico e come
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intentionally formal activity from peria latsion sle ma lasik s
lam definite better.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Perfectly said, I have nothing to add. I'm gonna go
to the next question. Ye, yes soon and so prolifica
and my story the reggaeton.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Queer them the s super deficial, super personal end no
port a queer p u y super important queen.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Yeah and toll of Parti de pereo and took persona
queer cempre i queen.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
The man.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Obsess is in my playlist persona queer per se Biano Bianna,
I love her so much velamente jelopensar and Tokeisha and
government necessary amente second man Canta Tosham, the sex work
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Jo Pianzo amo A and Ana machoo I persona Kevin
fred Tambien be La and mosica a personas Aria come too,
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were some persona being prominent person see no necessary confrequence
Yeah a pero definite persona barsona sis p super important
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dress then queer complimentary queer card Baby Bao shout out
a Baby Bao for.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Super Evento. Baby Ba.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Pocused on personae pro some of my persona.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
To be honest, it too. I'm ready for that music.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I love you No, yeah, me too, s I was
learning in the studio yesterday. I'm so I have.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I have a queer EP that I'm working on and
the primeo Sally and pride because it's pero.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Pride is all here, So my better your pork you see.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
There on a perspectivemente not so you gotta hear me
row slap yo, betro soa andes pasio don't.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Then you can family and I can.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Professional men. You're not call me vocal tellers. You need
the parliaments. You're not pus and pacio so sentio, you're
no queer mass Then go.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Your cari like your.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Your sentiment and like lentecon. Because the mammy prom they
don't know me, they know my work, So to my mo.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Per k ok for me Musica and.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Mara you know primo because I'm much more than my work,
as amazing as it is, So thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
You for that, because for sure, yes, persona again, persona
queir nere, etcetera.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
De clarando tequir see so Phil comes. We can handle.
That's why we gotta do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I love you and yes, yea, I feel like we
can do more supermot each other. So I appreciate that always,
like I feel like it's true. While is significance the
role queer and like I know we've danced around us,
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but I love to hear, like what is the importance
of the role of queer people in regaton?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Like what is that up?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Circling back commonly saying corporates present wings stepped into music
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and meant yellow and he negra bela caravania, can dandle
the co la musica, raa and tn s and pecto
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rasa e l h ol persona queer exit and spasio
Hotel on a single background music Hotel, lhamo them okay
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es cantando Roman, cantandombre, cantan keet, couches bela adant personas
can not necessary a meral typical ombresis can mammy the
caro from the particula past again again frum be like
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Pappy RelA persona squeer so para super importante the eho
mimente okay, documents young historica like the document you historical
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Sava and contra and el cab and contra persona and pando.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Then to the.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Bela, so whna fucking locafarifo So whoa fucking loc mariquita
bela yeah, so jeva historia on process or the preservation
musica to the Presservando postorico and l cal persona queer
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and comment Sando mar terminos l punto criminadoo Lando can
you know ninol I love those songs to.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
L s ke counting so.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Dang unapologetic tang coach care and contral persona, Negra persona
and persona laone foot stemps Joes.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
And freda.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Come on man, Yesami you know don solo cafreri caa
quadrans lami is al go impacto and cota and impactoural
cambi alamento ra personas the Teto Victoria.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Main race recent.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I always like to ask seremetaret a cur and you
know and Vita if you if I asked, if there's
something that I did not ask you that you would
like to say.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Or comment on.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Mira Victoria markis be ramente lo a s no penser
lake song in p on into. He has a pre
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seasonmenter of the time into aspensar yagod victoria po political
in certo comple gal and many sinco pos defeasi peranza
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ja persona k normally recho jose lu the man come
person and a solo studjo e o termina comana called
alamanda the nmar l cam j camino arrest come persona
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jo you okay your recovery at recover a passio tocoloan
glo perto rico the persona translike to Marcelo mechanimo para
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e look.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Other person.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Severa passibly that process a person c s I to
yaml co persa therena.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
And second.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Now thank you, It mays.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Go to some soon is This is La La La,
and I want to take a moment to reflect on
my conversation with Innaru, a non binary activist writer in
future Laari, who is one of the co founders of
Frombria Queer. As you all heard, this wasn't just a
regular interview.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It was a.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Dialogue rooted in memory, identity and the radical power of
reclaiming space inadu sharing how Sombria Queer started as a
simple Facebook page after Hurricane Maria, eventually becoming a full
fledged organization offering infographics, workshop and even a podcast. What
set out to me is that it wasn't born out
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of theory or ambition.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It came from necessity. They told me.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
About realizing that they and others like them weren't eligible
for traditional scholarships because of the way their identities existed
outside the boxes those systems recognized. I feel that so
instead of waiting to be included, they created something of
their own.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I feel that too. That to me is what real
grassroots power looks like.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
When Annau introduced themselves as a non binary, transqueer person
from Amerio Puerto Rico, an activist, a PhD candidate, and more,
it was a reminder that our identities are expansive. Nado
exists in multiplicity and that informs their work. It's not
just personal, it's structural and it's grounded and lived experience.
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There's a clarity in how they move that can only
come from surviving what the system tries.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Their race.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Okay, what really hit me was when they talked about violence, Okay,
how the Caribbean and specifically Puerto Rico can be both
beautiful and violent. The reference moments where leadership displayed a
total lack of understanding about non binary people, saying things
like I don't even.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Know what that is and that rature is deadly Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Still INADU doesn't just talk about solution systems, change and
building something that lasts, okay. One story that stayed with
me and all of this was when they asked people
when did you first hear the.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Word non binary?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And people responded with four or five years ago, And
they said that was us, that was Friaqueer planning seeds.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Oh my god, it's the impact for me. Now they
hear from teenagers.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Whose parents support their transitions because their parents learned from Sombriaqueer.
That's the kind of cultural shift that algorithms can't measure.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
That's legacy, that's real.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
When we pivoted to Rayato, Innado was honest. They didn't
always feel connected to it growing up. It was linked
to bullying, gender policing, and machismo. But their perspective shifted
partly through the work of artists like Bad Bunny, who
opened space for more fluid expressions of gender and emotion.
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I love that for them, They said, Ragaton helped them
connect with both femininity and masculinity and that healing.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Is possible through that rhythm that blew me away.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Inau spoke about how even within a hyper masculine genre
like regaton, there's always been space for queer reclamation. Okay,
if there's anything I want you guys to take away
from this episode is this bodies in motion language flipped
on its head and knowing a space.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
That wasn't made for us but still belongs to us.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And that tension between the Ragaton we grew up on
and that Ragaton we want is something I think many
of us feel savin. What I took from Innado was
this there's no way to be a change maker. Whether
you're organizing, educating, creating content, or just existing in your truth,
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you know you're part of the movement. Finale, they're working
on protocols to refer the legal system in Puerto Rico. Yes,
every time I say per I gotta say Puerto.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Rico buck get it.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Okay, when the ex marker case for gender I D recognition,
and it reminded us not to let anyone say we
don't belong on the pathwork claiming period such a powerhouse and.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Not always creating cultural history.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
And I left this conversation not only inspired but seeing
If you haven't listened to the takeaway yet, I invite
you to re listen to this episode, okay, because this
is the work that's joyful, challenging.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
And rooted in our collective liberation. Why on me hand?
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
And that was a mouthful. Until next time. This is
La La La, stay loud, queer and in the rhythm
of Yao ra pla floor is Regatagata podcast is an
(47:04):
iHeartMedia production, co executive producer of Shikirisi Media te Quiero.
Produced by Grace Gonzalez La Mia, edited by Slaipayan El Duro,
music by Hobby Vibes and shout out to my assistants
Nyomia Severdo and Kayla Ecleston.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I'm your host, Lagata.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
See you next week right here on the Regatta Podcast
on iHeart or wherever you listen.
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