EP#18 She's a Ki ft. Celi

Mi gente, this one is a riot. Hold onto your seats, as my homegirl Celi joins me to unpack cultural phenomenons, politics, y mas. She is hilarious, this one is a good time and a long time.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lima ve Miscora son son Is you're tuning, and this
week I'm joined by my good friend Sally my dog
my girl from New York City. This week we're talking
about music, of course, and culture around it with honesty
that then a little bit aside ewe needed, Oh we're
going there. Seally is someone who's not only a part

(00:27):
of the community, but whose hot takes I love, Oh
my god, I fell in love with this girl on Twitter,
y'all platonically of course, because they're always grounded in truth,
layered with comedy and never afraid to go there. Sally's
the kind of person who can point out the absurdities
of the music industry and make you laugh well still
hitting you with something real. In this episode, we're getting

(00:52):
into the post of what's happening right now in the
Latin music world, from the way certain narratives get pushed,
to how social media shape what becomes a hey, to
the politics of collaboration and who gets visibility. We talk
about the role of community voices versus industry voices, the
shift and sounds we're hearing a mainstream Raggatton and what

(01:13):
it means to represent the genre on the global stage,
but like the LA it's a mix of real talk
contakes in those moments where you're like, wow, I didn't
even realized I felt that way until you said it.
So get comfortable, I would sing, because you're about to
hear and honest, unfiltered and very funny take on the
current state of our music and are scene Aki.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm super excited because the talking here with my girl Sali,
who want to say, is like one of my big ones.
We just have been kicking on the internet for I
don't know, has as old as is true, like cry
my lashes off, I cannot no. But she's brilliant, an

(02:14):
amazing New yorka who, in my opinion, just has like
amazing context. And I'm just here to shoot the ship
with my girls. So Sally, thank you so much for
being here and chopping it up with me.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Hey, of course, just so no one comes for me.
I was raised in Florida. Yeah, I was raised in Florida.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
And I moved to New York.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I've been here for like eight years, but my mom
lived in the Bronx, so I feel like that counts.
So I feel like I do have that like New
York that's where the humor comes from I feel like
and my grandma. But yeah, happy to have you here,
happy to have you as a friend, rather is what
I meant to say.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I can't, yes, me Avega, I cannot absolutely, and I'm
dying at the disclaimer because yeah, New Yorkers really.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Do be like yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm like, no, you're not from here. You from Boston.
I know that shit. You're so right. I know that
shit very well. I lived in every borough. I've taken
the tea from the top of the A line to
the bottom of the A line, and I've lived in
far Rock. But New Yorkers will not let me own it.
But it's okay, It's okay.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's what I know.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
When someone's hitting on me there like where are you from?
And I'm like, oh, Florida And they're like oh.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
But like where do you stay?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And I'm like, oh, like Washington Heights or whatever. They're like, oh,
how long? Oh you're New Yorker.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I'm like, don't lie to me, don't gass me up,
don't give me that, like, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
A New Yorker hates to see us coming. Nah, girl,
I'm happy to shot the ship with you. There's so
much going on right now. You know, we're like so
socially inclined that I had to hit record and me,
hint the frost because I'm like, wait, wait, wait, this
is podcast worthy, this is podcast worthy. So not for nothing.

(03:52):
Just to pick back up on where we were, we
were talking about protests, and just like I guess, I
was questioning, like if a lot of this is performative,
and how much more I want out of what's going
on right now? And how it's easy to say that,
And it's like, why don't you do that yourself? And

(04:14):
it's like the truth of the matter is I will
not be Mlkaid And I say that respectfully because like,
I will not be I want to be Imlcayed. I
will not be Malcolm X, I will not be how
many examples we got, I will not be Frod Hampton, Like,
come on, let's be for real. I got a lot
to say. I'm an educator. I think activists are the

(04:35):
most brave people in the world. I question, I question,
you know what's going on right now? Because one thing
me and Sully did agree on is that there's a
lot of media coverage. It's not really a narrative that's
being built right now I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
I feel like exactly what you said, Like you say
that you're not respectfully, you're not trying to be emvalcaid.
I think I was telling you earlier, like do you
ever get tired of feeling like you have to teach
like white people specifically, or like I'm my both my
parents are Keepan but I'm a white Latina. Like race
and ethnicity be kicking everyone's ass daily, but at the
end of the day, like I know that I have

(05:10):
a privilege as a white person, where like if.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Me and you said the same thing, someone's gonna say you.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Said it differently just because whatever that I totally get.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
But like, I feel like you bring up so many
good points in terms of like protests and awareness.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
It's not just here.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's like you've been super loud about Palestine and you've
been super loud about you know, LA, or like you're
not even based in LA just to for two examples.
So I don't know, people are in your business and stuff,
and I feel like people go to you like we
were saying that it's a safe space for them and us,
Like I hit you up all the time, and I'm like,
isn't this shit crazy, Like did you see.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
What this was?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Like?

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Think about this?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, so and I know that's like a friend thing, yeah,
but like you get it. Just for those who are listening,
it's like there's a difference between our friend handing me
up and it's like, yo, this is crazy, you know.
And then it's like, let's with the ship versus someone.
The thing is some people hit me up for consoling.
Oh my god, the world is crazy, Goda, what do
we do? It's like it's like God, to give me

(06:09):
a hug, and it's like, have you thought that I
might need a hug? Anyone? Hug? Gotta you know what
I mean? And I just I'm not saying that in
like a needy sense. It's just like, Hi, I'm a
queer black woman. Three things. That is like everybody hates
right now, you know. And so I gues I've seen it. Yes,
I'm hyper aware. Yes, it's devastating. Also, the other thing

(06:32):
is not for nothing. I was telling you this earlier.
It's like people don't stop to think a lot of
people are sending me this exact same shit, you know
what I mean? Like it'll be like in a whoa,
It'll be like twenty yo, don't beat that. When Trump
first like first election, when he girl started talking crazy,
people like can you believe this? I'm like I can.
They're like why And I'm like, you don't listen to

(06:54):
me when I speak out, like cause it's like I've
said it. The proof is in the pudding. It's gonna say.
I was like, I don't know if you could even
put this parts, like you know what you could do
listen to the podcast. I mean anyway, I think find
I an't it because you're the home you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just in.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
General, like I feel like even with friends, I feel
the same way. It's like, why do I have to
be the one to tell you guys that this is wrong?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Are you telling like white friends or like oh yeah,
Like I feel like any of my not to be
like I don't have white friends, but I feel like
the white friends like that I do have are on
the right side of every like issue.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
For example, like all of my white Jewish friends from Florida,
like South Florida are pro Palestine, like they're not like
they don't have friends.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
I feel that Okay, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
And I'm sure that like my black friends can say
the same thing about me, you know what I mean,
like or other, Like I don't know, So I feel
like less so now as an adult where it's like
I don't have to do that anymore. Like I feel
like the second Trump election by that point, like twenty
twenty on, like the pandemic George Floyd radicalized a lot

(08:07):
of people.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
I don't know why it took so long, but.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Just all of that, I was like anyone who not
didn't agree with me, But it's like, this isn't even
about politics, this is about basic human rights at this point,
like I'm deleting you.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
I remember I posted.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
A meme that was from like Paul Blart Mall Coop
and it was like Eric Andre and Kevin James, like
Paul Blart making out and it was like the ugly
girl I went to school with and cops like copaganda.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Like it was it was a joke, but it was true.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Like it's like y'all are like sucking cop Dick, one
of my best best friends from elementary school on followed me.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I was like, good, like you know what I mean
like that.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
So to answer that, I feel like thankfully, and it's
a privilege Also, I don't have to be teaching people anymore,
and I don't, to your regard, have like like I
don't have followers that people go into my dms when
I post things about out immigration or like ice raids
or anything like that or that, and they're like, I.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Can't believe this is like what do we do? Girl?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Like it's just my friends being like, yeah, this is
a fucked up girl. I totally agree. So that's also
a privilege.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, yeah, no, I feel that really hard. There's so
many things that I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm like trying
not to interrupt you, but like yeah, I feel like
and that's kind of why it's funny because on the
bright side, like I know a lot of my followers
like love me, respect me. They've been down for the
ride there. Every time I get a win, Like when
I drop this podcast, they were like, oh finally you

(09:37):
just like so like I know, like emotionally invested and
so one thing I'm particularly proud of and I know
you love this folks when I put it up, but
I was like, I don't support all women, so of
these bitches are dumb. Yeah, and like, whey I'm going
with this is that I you know, a lot of
people approach me like god that you should have like

(09:57):
a million followers. I'm like, I'm trying to cultivate a
space of not dumb bitches. It's really hard.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, Like it's actually okay that I don't have a
million followers if the like three followers, not that you
have me my three followers that I have, like not agree,
but it's not an echo chamber. Like I could also
be the dumb bitch that y'all don't agree with sometimes,
but there are some things that are just like, no,
I don't agree with everybody.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I don't agree with dump people.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I just think there's levels to it, right. I literally
did so episode ten with Augustine, and I know people
are gonna listen to the end because the end of
the episodes, I know you've listened to the podcast sallest something.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I actually listened to.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
The There was the last one he did what's her name?

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Miami?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, oh, but I watched it and I'm.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Like, this is me just being like deep cuts. During
the pandemic, there was this show on.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
YouTube called oh my God. It was Brava and it
takes place in like yeah, but about the club she's
in it, and I was like, I know where Yeah's going,
So sorry, eyeah, she's me shout out to her. The
episode ten has Nino Augustine, and so you if you
heard the episode, you heard like the end of every episode.

(11:11):
I do like an analysis. So episode ten, my analysis
is a little cooked, if I'm gonna say so myself.
But I still feel like I got to the point.
It's cooked in the sense that you know Nino essentially,
in shout out to him, we spoke on his artistry,
how he slept, on how the industry plays with him,
how you know people act like they don't see him,
how people assigned ship that they see in him to

(11:33):
other people, which happens a lot in the industry. Oh,
I happened to bring up Diddy, not for nothing. Of course,
it's like get that lego, not for nothing. My point
in bringing him up, I went to the point of
like saying how I met him? Right, I met Diddy,
I interviewed Ditty, I hugged Diddy.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Sandy honestly has me and and then we'll be right
back with more of this interview. After these messages, I said,
I'll send where mine.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
But like this was three weeks before he got arrested,
like my girl, Like I Everybody's like, oh my god
this And I was just looking up the TV like
like I had like you mind it, I got chose
like it was a difference, was like it was it
was different. Okay. In my point in bringing this up,
this is not for about choes. My point is in

(13:08):
my la la la of that episode I had brought
up how and my point is I met him when
he came. So he came in the room. We're in
a press room. It was like different people from different pubs,
and I was the only black girl there because Latin
music is Latin music. Yeah, he scanned the room when
he walked in. He saw everyone. He saw me. I
think he saw black man, black girl. And you know,

(13:30):
of course this is before I knew everything. So I
was like, oh, look, I see you black man. You
know what I mean, Like I'm not thinking nothing more
than that. And then get there leg the pause that
he had when he looked at me. Everybody then looked
at me because then they were like, oh god, they
were like do they know each other? Because it was
what was that but black telepathy? It was giving I

(13:50):
see you, black girl, You know.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
What you do anytime you walk into any party.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Right, So that was that and getting to the Sorry
I ramble a lot, but girl said do I. I
was like, like, I just like giving contacts so people
like get the gist of ship. But like as talking,
he had a big ari it's not every so get
that ego. We had an interview. That man was sweating.

(14:15):
He was very nervous because you know me, I am
a journalist. I'm not a fucking influencer. I'm not gonna
You're not gonna send in the chair and I'm not
gonna ask you like whatever. He had a billboard in Miami.
This is in Miami. That was like I want people
to fuck to my music. And I was like, whoa,
that's very like bold and of course this is this
is pre allegations, So like I am a journalist. It's like,

(14:38):
if you're bold enough to put that up, I'm bold
enough to want to talk about it. So what's up?
You know? What what did you mean by that?

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Like?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
What what? What are we talking about? Where we're going
with this? And he was sweat He was literally sweating visibly.
And mind you, there's footage out there of me and
him sitting in chairs next to each other while I'm
asking him this, and this man is sweating, and the
vibe was like a little it is off, be honest
with you. And then the allegations come out, and you know,
and this is my exact way, sorry all that rambling
just for this, but the allegations came out and I

(15:08):
was like, this is fucking crazy. And I have said
that to some people that I that I know mutually
had this whole experience, and they were like, he can
never catch a break. I was like, are you fucking
shitty need to catch a break? I was like, is
that really what you're gonna say to me right now?
Like are you that? And I was like, you know what,
going back to the point of I don't trust all
women and some of these bitches are dumb. Yeah, but

(15:30):
I'm going with that because it's like and it's not
just in the context of what was said to me,
it's also in the context of like how Nino is treated,
how black people in general are treated, and to the
bigger idea of like just people just not being it,
you know what I mean. And so going back to
like this friend who one followed you, it's like, good

(15:52):
exactly as you said. Good like people think shit's a
joke as long as she don't apply to them. Yes, yes,
it's all fun, Like I don't know, like it's all
fun and.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Games until what if something happened literally for that Diddy example,
Like just for that example, it's like keep talking about Diddy?

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's all fun and games until what if happened to
you or your friend and you were there, or like
what if he made you uncomfortable?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Now it's not. Now it's an issue.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
In terms of like an artist, like black artists specifically.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Like Diano Augustine, like Danelu, you like.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
All of these people, Like why are these white kids
doing way fucking less and getting top billing at like
on DJ things.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
That you learned in like your room, which vallad.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Saying I can't teach whatever, but like these are people
that are like actually putting work into like in artistry.
So I'm just playing a playlist or something, and then
people are taking.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Their mixes specifically and playing them.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
And I've noticed it as someone who knows like nothing
and isn't in the industry, like we see that stuff,
you know, like I've heard.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Like am I let to name drop go off. Okay,
So I went to Daddy Yankees or don Daddy Yankee.
I went. I went to the Daddy Yankee Stadium in
the Bronx. I went to Yankee Stadium in the Bronx.
I was like, girl, what that's my joke. I pretend
like I don't really watch sports.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
No, I don't watch sports, but like Yankee Stadium is
Yankee Stadium. But I like to piss off people, So
whenever we talk about Yankee Stadium, I'm like, yeah, Daddy
Yankee Stadium because he was a baseball player and he
got shot and then they couldn't he couldn't played no more,
so they built a stadium in New York to his name.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
And then people get mad because Yankees. I get it
whenever it's like yo.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
So when I was at Daddy Yankee Stadium for Bad
Bunny and Annocinki, the one that Jomeo Santos came out
at Iconic do blow who is another white that has
hell allegations about him and we're just pretending like he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
And there's like non.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Famous people, like people that go to the clubs that
I go to and the bars that I go to,
and like live uptown that knows about him. There's people
that like are famous women and stuff that have allegations
towards him. Anyway, So top Billing, Bad Bunny, Biggest Tour, whatever,
Why the motherfucker play?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm pretty sure it was, uh do you know Gwaddi
DJ Guaddy this question? I'm pretty sure it was his
aguan Elam mix.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
And I sat there and I remember being like, how
does Diplo know aguan Eland? Like again major laser, but
like that's not him, Like again, that's not him. You're
just the face of it because.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
You're a white guy.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And then I was watching a podcast.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I think I might have been watching Chante, who again
is just another white quartercan dude, but whatever, and someone
mentioned how Diplo knows like all of these songs and stuff.
I'm like, yeah, it's from like the black people that
he stole them from, or like Hispani people are brown people,
including the girls who put allegations on him that probably
put him on that music. Like it all comes back

(19:01):
now I'm rambling, but just know that we know, we
see it, we see it, we see it.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, I I so disclaimer because I appreciate you putting
you know, we all know, shout out to Daniel, she's
a homie, and but that girl is a feast. Oh.
I know. I can never be mentioned next to her
in the DJ context because I love her all the

(19:29):
fucking goals like mohe period, like house music and Theya Lou.
And it's been funny because on a personal shout out
to her, we've been she has been selling me like
house music one.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
He's another one that I followed from, like like I know,
not to put you off, but you know how you were,
like you compare us.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
She's another one.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I feel like Dane's always been very talented. But like
all of these DJs that you've mentioned, it's like I
don't know all of them personally, but like I know
their names, like I see them that like all go
to their sets and be like, oh they had a
good set, follow like I had a good say, and
it's like you watch them from the beginning. So it's
like even if you don't think you're there now, what
if in like a couple of years someone's like, oh

(20:08):
my god god and it's like oh yeah, like I
followed her, or like I don't get there, but give
me some years because baby I'm in year two.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Anyway, back to Danau, you shut up to her because
she that she's true to this and she's a true
artist and true producer and creative and curator. But I
don't know where I'm going with this. Is that No
like her contributions to house music and where she's headed.
I like, the culture can only be grateful And don't

(20:38):
even know what's about a smack Like what she's about
a smack? Us with it? Is it is? I'm just laughing.
I'm like, these are the best like episodes when people
are like they feel like they're on the phone with
two people, like I love that.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
No, I really was like, I'm gonna forget that it's
for like not that I forget you're a journalists, but
you like not that this is an interview, but like
like you said, like podcast just feels like a conversation.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'm like, damn, they really know their shit. Yeah no, yeah,
That's honestly one of the best feedback I ever got.
I had a pot with Jenny and they were like,
I like it because I feel like I'm on the
phone with y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, Like I
don't know. Also, like in job interviews.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
When it just like flows like that, You're like, this
is gonna.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Be good, this is gonna be yeah. Okay, so we're
giving sammy you went borrow once? Oh my god, yeah
you went barrow once and you were talking about fa
uh Mark Anthony, girls, tell the story. Okay, well for
I said, I've been dying for.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
You to ask for disclaimer. I'm literally just Gotha's pal.
Like I just be on the internet. I grew up
on the internet.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I was on live journal. I like all my friends
are from the internet and in person, but whatever. So
I tweet.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I have like two followers, including Ghaka, who I followed
literally because I like it. I get thrown and you
hosted good stuff and you have hot takes. I was
like same, Okay, So I tweet and I said, does
anyone remember when Mark Anthony said that his dad who
was also a musician, right, like his dad's also a musician.
Mark Anthony's dad, I'm pretty sure he said, uh, like,

(22:16):
son were ugly, but we're talented. And I was like,
that's the definition of knowing your courtesy, because like, have
you ever been out and there's mad people who like,
there's ugly dudes but they can dance, or like someone's
like a little weird but they're funny, or like, Okay,
this date sucked, but he paid the whole like no
your currency, no your currency. Mark Anthony's fans came out
of the fucking would work beloved. I didn't even tweet,

(22:37):
I didn't add him nothing. People were coming out being
like he never said this. People were like I remember that.
Other people were like Mark Anthony sexy as hell. Other
people were like dragging him because he's so skinny. It
was a mixed bag. But I didn't know his fans
were on Twitter like that. This was like twenty nineteen,
and that's happened to me. Also when I've mentioned Rosa

(22:59):
Leah before, because I different, two different, but I feel you,
but you get me.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm like, where are y'all coming from?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
But anyway, that's my claim to fame is saying that
Mark Anthony was ugly but talented, which is objectively true.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And does his talent not make him more attractive?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
First of all, I can't stand you and Flag, so
there's different. Marc Anthony's right, Mark, oh that part too.
First of all, Mark Anthony man on fire. Marc Anthony
can get it, like are you kidding me? Like you
can't say no, I say no. Also, just in general,

(23:41):
he just has like a sex appeal about him. I'm sorry,
it's a swag. It's no. No. You called him ugly
selling you sit over there. Turn out no, this man
has a sex appeal about him that I can't explain.
Like I have never been in a room with this man.
I've never met this man. I don't know this man,
but I know if I've met this man, I'd be

(24:02):
an average like the oona the oona he has he
has that I can't explain. And I think purely that
he's just a hot perto Rican Bobby, Like I swear
to God, that's all it is. I was gonna say
it because he's like, that's that's all it is. But
and not for nothing. The tattoos, like it's it really
is doing him and and what else the talent so

(24:25):
he knows his curreer play it's so hard like he do.
I okay, not for nothing. We are not bad moufing
Marc Anthony. I love that man.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I love Marc Anthony. Marc Anthony could get it, like.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I know, I love this man down Also when I forget,
I think I was in Miami like two years ago
and Mala had just came out, and yeah, I was like, Yo,
this man got Mala. This my Momammy love on a
hey roll because I got in a taxi, I went
into a bar, I went to the nightclub. I'm standing

(24:57):
on the street Mala everywhere, and then I'm leaving and
I started feeling like one of them people who are
like Latino spicy, because I was like, bro, it's like,
first of all, the song is giving. I like it
like that vibes. Yes, I'm Latin vibes, but the song
is a good song. I'm not moffing the song. God
knows i'd be having that if that song has a

(25:19):
million streams. I gave it at least five hundred thousand streams.
I love the song. I do. Uh. Where I'm going
with this is that the music video took me out.
Took a music.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Video where he's like making out in the bathroom and
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, okay, my momouse and like there's like girls and
their in math and it's like a weird choreography. I'm like, Mark,
only you could have gotten away with this.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
My Mom's like there's some there's some scenes done forth.
I was like, what do you mean, it's just Mark
a warehouse getting like.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Like seducing women. And I'm like, I don't know where
this is going. It work for? How does that stands
Hento's down for Mark Anthony. They said, give me the
proof that his dad called him ugly, and I cited
the article that's crazy that his dad even said that.
My last comment on the video it's giving red for passion.

(26:15):
You're like, I don't know, it's so that's so little,
but like it works for him. Only he could have
done it and people would have been like, let's you
know what I mean, Yes, yes, yes, I see where
you're going his brandy, you know, but like I hate
you no. But girl, first of all, I don't know
why that came for you. His dad said it not you.

(26:35):
Technically you were you were phrasing. I don't know if
you use quotes, it makes a big difference. I've learned.
Did also be like people just love arguing on the internet.
It is what it is. And see some of these
artists behind be behind these fan accounts, so like.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
That, you know, my on hot take is I would
run my own fan account and.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I I have so many Instagrams. God knows I need
a volunteer or like, it's just not gonna.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
You were too, he had got that you were.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I'm tired girl and d very different ballpark. I mean
she's calmed down. And then it's funny by me saying
calming down. All that means is that we just haven't
seen her. That's what calm down means in hibernation mode.
I feel J Balvin defrosting. He's been like making some

(27:30):
he has that not the ra term. He's defrosting. He
had everything you're saying right now. I had like I
thought about yesterday and I was like, I wonder, keep going,
keep going. No, he's he's defrosting, like he's defrosted. I've
seen him like he had a birthday party recently and
I say, no, he had like like what was a

(27:52):
performance recently? And I saw him in line for something
in New York. I think it was there in the
body parade. But yeah, didn't he have does you have? Oh,
it's giving, it's giving, it's giving. Announcement coming soon. I'm
not he announced it. I don't know. I like his music.
Everyone knows how I feel about him. It's no ill
will or nothing. It's just that I I don't know.

(28:15):
I don't know, and I agree. I'm not like I'm
not subscribed. Yes, I'm not subscribed and so yeah no,
but yeah, very different ballparks.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
The white people are defrosting. I feel it's a recession indicator. No, no,
this is my thoughts on like because I also thought
about it too. I was thinking about ros I was
thinking about j Balvin. I was thinking about how Rosalia
with him and her was it which objectively great song?

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Also going on tour?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Right, but didn't they win like best Urban Song with that?
Oh girl, don't get me started on these categories.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, okay, well anyway they won again, which goes back
to the life thing. We were talking about why did
they win? And it's like, no one's mad that you
won the song, Like we know all these like awards
or Paola and stuff, but why did you go up
and accept it wearing grills?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Are you wait? Are you talking about the af Latino Award? Yes? Yes, sorry, yes,
that was right. I'm like, urban makes sense, he seems
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I feel like they wanted Grammy for that song too, though,
And I remember being like, why did you go up
wearing grills?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Because that's what she do? Girl, correct, And that's what
I thought you meant when you were like she calmed down,
I was like, you mean me just like, haven't like
no one's mad that you like put like flamenco influence.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
In like regeton that's been done, like we've been.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's it's not even so for me, it's not even that.
For me, it's not it's like it's the costuming. It'll
always go down to the consuming, And I guess part
of the re it's not that I'm calm, it's not
that I'm forgiving. It's not that I even care. I'm
be honest with you, I'm so plugged out. I love that.
For me, it's giving healed, it's giving, giving bodies. Why

(30:01):
if it's giving living my life, it's giving I got
actual shit to do. But no, it always goes down
to it's the costuming for me that always bothers me,
And I guess the reason why. It's not that I've
been turning a blind eye. I'm just kind of like,
I just can't consume all my time with this. But
for me, who's honestly done the costuming in a way

(30:22):
worse way is not not yes all to me was
like her mannerisms were giving this is what hip hop
looks like. Yeah, so let me do this and it's
the one that she wants to the song with any
other ones both recently, Yeah, I'm talking her Colors performance.

(30:44):
They really gave that bitch of Mike and said performance
thing be great and it's like and she was like,
that's the hip to the hip hip hopa and and
like this bitch was really wearing girls. It was it
was a mannerisms, it was a caricature. She was like.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
You what she was doing and we knew what she
thought she was doing. As someone who went and saw
her in concert recently, I feel so bad.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
You want you spent money and you saw it.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
I did, and I will. I was like, let me
stan research.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I would come to do it.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
It was research, okay, it's very talented. And it makes
me sad that she thought she had to do that.
And I'm not like giving her a pass because like
I agree, like what I agree with you. It's like,
why did you there had to like go you can
be a white wrapper.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Without I'm so glad you said that because I know
that there's some the listening right now who's gonna be like, Okay,
it's got saying that they can't rap, and it's like, no,
you can rap it, You'll say, but that's not what
I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is literally saying
that's what they do. Like her her insco is very

(31:55):
hurricane g coated, which is like a black woman. It's
like Senege thought, it's to be freaking blind and just
to be ab toose with that said, I'm so glad
you said that. I'm so glad you went for a race.
Pare you braver than me?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
But mom Rad really wanted to go, like and also
sorry I keep cutting you off again forgetting that.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
We're like I love it, I're welcome, but I want
my friend. I was like, yeah, of course I'll go.
I'm very much one of those people. I'm gonna go
to whatever.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
But I have always said the same thing you said,
like why why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
On the colors like being hip hop hippa, Like she's
just she's being a character of what she thinks, like
a black rapper is like you said, like and there's
direct anyway, keep going No, no, absolutely and.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I'm so glad you spoke on that. This is what
I if anyone's gonna take away anything from this conversation,
it's everything we said before, but also in this this part,
it is just this right, the fact that she didn't
have to do any of that. None of these people
have to do any of this. But what happens on
that music is that it's almost like a rite of passage.
It's almost like a And I even said this recently

(33:02):
because gott O redropped the song Latina Forever and oh
my dms, I'm so tired. Like I know, like I know,
people trust me, I know, and I know people look
to me, but like also I need like PSA, some
fucked up shit happens, don't look. Just think what has
Goata going to say? I've said fifteen times in a
ten The chances a lot I've said it already, So

(33:23):
like meam Mon Soult, like, think of the category, think
of the instance. I'm going to make a chart at
this point I put on my website. But it's like,
in terms of racism, I've said this, in terms of colorism,
I've said this because I've said all the things, and honestly,
I want a happy life, and I don't think I
can do that. And also as a black girl, I

(33:44):
don't think I should, and for other black girls, I
don't want that for us either, Like I think that.
And when I'm going with this is when she did
that an aspect of this, because having haters is one thing, right,
I've been called a hater before, and I'm just like,
you're just dumb, because like I actually give her a
flowers wear it's necessary. I'm on fucking Hulu calling her

(34:05):
sexy because I feel like she is, Like I'm buying
what she's selling in that regardle the girl's hot.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
This is not even not a question of that. But
you know, the exclusion, in my opinion, was conscious and
was also an excellent marketing tactic. Black rage is an
excellent marketing tactic. It worked for my Lisa IRUs, it
works for everybody. It worked for her, and this song
it worked for because even bad press is press. And

(34:35):
I don't know, I don't know because I'm not an
a listerer like y'all got me there, I'm not. I'm
not an artist, right, A list made a professional, but
not an artist, and so get that lego. I don't
know if bad press is actually good press or if
it's worse. I don't know. I'm not in that world.
You don't say and so, But what I do know
is that happens. That happened with her, that happened with Nati,

(34:57):
And at the end of the day, it got people talking,
you know, and so and not for nothing because this
is obviously taking my energy. But not for nothing, Latini,
that is so racist that it's like, there are people
dedicated to going in condra of a progressive argument. So

(35:18):
if that is the rationale behind like why it works
for them, then we all need to recognize that. And
I imployers to like use their energy. We need a
different process. I want to call time out. Yeah, it's
the way that not for nothing in the same shade.
But she did that, and I got so many emails

(35:38):
talking about god that do you want to comment? And
I was like, I have a brand new show. Do
you want to cover my show? Do you want to
cover my show where I'm talking with people on mental health,
I'm talking with Floyd men Ord. Y'all are talking, y'all
are interested, y'all are interested in knowing why Chilenos are
making Creton. I got the answer for you. Y'all are
interested in knowing what Colombia is important? Is the actual

(36:02):
part is I spoke to Colombians. Y'all love these alternative
artists weirdos not for nothing? Are weirdos a good And
I'm speaking with them myself and I'm asking them how
do they take care of themselves? I you know, like
right now and that's after and you want to ask

(36:24):
me about this song?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Asks me how I feel about some girl being goofy
on a Colors performance, like at the end of the day.
And it's like, I love that you pointed out, like,
is all press good press, but specifically And I was
just like, not to speak for black people, but on
the white people's side. Would black people know who not
be Pelosi? Nancy Pelosi, not the Paluso is? Oh, I

(36:49):
stay calling her the wrong name?

Speaker 6 (36:52):
People know?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Would people know who she was at the time? Maybe
now I don't know, But at the time, would anyone
give a fuck who she was? If she didn't act stupid,
if she didn't like think she had to put on
this performance like, no one would to talk to her
or about her at all.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
That's why they're coming at you to comment.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
It's like I'm not using my space and my like
my space being you, like why would you use your
space and your platform, Like you're already posting to like
your parties, you're posting your podcast, you're posting your education stuff.
You're posting out of like the look he like, the
kindness of your own heart, just being a like someone
who wants to speak out about everything, like it's been

(37:31):
shop it's been like protest during the pandemic for George Floyd.
It's it's been pala sin. It's like it's not just
one thing. And on top of that, also goofy Fe
Ganton shit like you.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, I don't want to talk.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
About her, like not her specifically. Also sorry, I'm like
no model that will hold to her.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
But like that was fucked up, Like.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, it's giving Mammy and it's giving people not really
taking it seriously and not for nothing. And I've said
it publicly, it's like how long how often are we
gonna do that? Are we gonna do this forever? Is
this my? Is this my life? Like they're gonna do
shit and people gonna look for me? No, I want
I want my headlines. This is this is the only
thing I'm interested in right in.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
That part, and also like I don't know, I feel
you're not the only person who knows like all of
these people and this is okay, sorry, like.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
No, no, no, it's not that because I agree, But
what I actually said to them was like, can you
ask white latinas I was just gonna say. That's where
I was gonna go with it, like you're okay the girl, okay, girl,
that's a white Latina.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I have black friends that have Indian friends, I have
Filipino friends. I feel like I'm pretty culturally competent.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I'm Cuban that in itself. I have a completely different
view of like things like immigration and stuff. My family
came here. There was a law that we just like
came here and we got on the land and were good.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Like none of my parents have, not one in my
family has ever been undocumented, like in the same way
that other people are.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
So like there's a that let's begin there just for
like that.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
So why would people go I don't know how they
say it like okay, I follow you, correct and Sam following.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
You as like a casual fan, like uh, someone that
I go to you like I appreciate all the stuff
you post, and so does my other friend who regardless
of the rist whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Why would they go directly to you who they don't
know and aren't like.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Personal with or whatever, instead of like your colleague and
friend who is like also white, Like white people need
to start talking more like me specifically. I feel like that,
like there's giving space obviously to like black people and
black women specifically and just like anyone that isn't white,
and like not taking up space from that as I

(39:50):
talk a lot, But then there's also like looking and
being like okay, but like when can I talk?

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Like when is it okay?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Mood Ring?

Speaker 4 (39:57):
For example, I went to the Puerto Rican Day parade.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
There's a huge thing, Like long story short, the cops
came when they were playing bomba and like treating people
like fucking animals is what.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Everyone keeps saying, because that's what happened. Everyone was on
the sidewalk. There was traffic being.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Blocked a little bit, but like not really, we got
our ubers and there was like a fucking police raid
pretty much. Why would I expect the brown people and
black people that were at mood Ring.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
To talk to a cop for me?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Specifically when me as a white person just off base,
like before opening my mouth, I'm already gonna be perceived
differently walking into that police station where someone might be like, actually,
you could come in and sit and they would ignore
someone else by just assuming that like my name.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Is like Sally Smith or something, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Like you like have the like the awareness to be
like if you imagine how tired you are, Like I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
How else to say that.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
It's just like like you said, it's mammy, and I've
had a friend literally tell me that before, where it's like, yes,
we know all these things. That's like lived experience and
like I'm happy to teach you and like a friend
way like how you and I were talking where you
were like it's different when I talk to you about
it because like we have a relationship. But she's like,
but yeah, at the end of the day, like someone
else can do it too, Like that's what I kind
of met where I'm like, do you ever get tired
of teaching?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Like me? Are you asking me?

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Like in general, like do you ever just get tired
of teaching people? Like first ship like this where it's like.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I love lecturing, I love the money and lecturing correct,
I am handsomely compensated, should be or also I don't
open my mouth anymore. But there's that. I love teaching.
I think teaching is who I am.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I think so too, and I think that might be
why so many people.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Like, Yeah, so there's an app there's and I appreciate you.
So first of all, I'm so really good everything you said.
But also I'm like, for me, like and what I'm saying,
I like, I don't want sorry for it.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I was like, I don't want it.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
To come off to be like and I the like
the white Savior and it's gonna work. No, it's just
like because they're not coming off that way. It's just
not that way. It's just it's very relieving. It's refreshing, honestly,
because it's like I, for grandpart, can't get why a
lot of people don't get that. But also it's because
a lot of people don't interrogate their whiteness, and that's

(42:19):
what it boils down to. And so for my no,
to answer your question, no, I'm not tired of educating.
I have very strong boundaries. I do not interact past
a certain point, and that point keeps getting shorter and shorter,
closer and closer to me with people who don't interrogate
their whiteness. If you're not sitting there trying to figure

(42:42):
out what your role in perpetuating harmful systems are, I
don't want to talk to you. I'm not safe with you.
Things can happen to me. And you'd be the person
that call me dramatic, to say that I'm crazy, to
say why can't Diddy catch a break? Like like, you
know what I mean to say, Racism is not that

(43:04):
bad to treat shit like. It's like when George Floyd
was murdered and we have to wrap up here because
we really don't get about it. I was like, but
but when George Floyd was murdered, I run an op
ed for Hemeescua. It changed my Ridit it catapulted my career.

(43:24):
And it's because I was literally in the room. Everybody
was panicing, Oh my god, we recalled racist? What do
we do? And it's like even the response was not
for nothing, and I respect my colleagues. It was just
like it's giving Racism is a is a box on
a checklist. Let's fix that. And it's like, bro, this
is an ongoing issue. You have to treat it as

(43:44):
such or you'll constantly be put in this position. Today
it's this or and tomorrow it'll be something else. And
it's because you're not taking the actions right now. And
I guess this is a lovely way to end this
on It's that everybody now influencers are like calling out
artists or whoever the fuck loves to use Lata for

(44:06):
their marketing and things with ice rays, and I'm like,
that's great and all, but like, the problem is is
that this country has an issue with celebrity. This this
this country has this society has an issue with id idolation,
with idolatry, and so at the end of the day,
they're calling them out now, but they're gonna do something

(44:27):
to make up for it, and we'll be right back
where we started. So instead of wasting energy acting outraged,
why don't you uplift people who've been been doing this
like not for nothing, this is this is what I'm
supposed to get flowers like this is not shut out
like that for nothing. And this is not egotistical or
narcissistic or local. It's like and even okay, I'll take

(44:49):
myself off the equation this people who've been been saying shit,
But do you give them any attention? Do you uplift them?
And not in a way that's like oh with them,
because the women right just show them love. We like
every day this culture and is the last thing I'll say.
This culture makes stupid people famous every day, every single day,

(45:12):
every day. And this is why not us. And this
is when literally, this is the moment to push people
who are actually boutshit, but they're too busy calling out
Kim Kardashians if she gives a fuck, as if she'll
actually be affected, as if she won't bail out some
other black kid from jail, and everything will be forgotten.
But it's gonna be wrong that in that individual instance

(45:34):
is fine. But systemically I agree everything example, I don't
have nothing against Kim, like Kim is a woman. I
feel mean like even even all these they're all just
a white woman. You feel releectively this system, it's upheld

(45:55):
by the nonsense that protects them. And it's like, I
don't think there's any I don't know, we need to
switch tactics.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
I know I agree, I literally.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I don't know what else to say. I agree, I
stopped going to I understand idolizing, not that I understand it.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I get when people coming from especially in music, like
being like.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Oh yeah, this person gets me, like people be like,
oh Bad Bunny like he gets it, like he would
hit this new album.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Everyone canceled him one thing before. Now he's back.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I told you the others.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
I was like, no one came for him when he
was he had said shit about Palestine and.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Said shit in the Girl. Nothing, nothing, because I've gotten
death threats by Oh, I know this is me.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
This is me Selena Marc Anthony's people come for me bad,
but I don't care. I love Bad Bunny like he
I love that man, but what it is ill.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
But my point with that is, I know I'm just
saying for those who are listening because yeah, where I
hate him and I'm just like, do you know what
I'm playing.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
No, I don't hate him, but I'm at the point
in my life and have enough cognitive dissonance where I'm
not gonna go to ultimately, like I'm not gonna go
to a non black person for black.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Like like viewpoints and like try to understand.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
But at the same time, I'm not I know enough
boundaries to not go to people that I don't know
and put that sort of like trauma or like burden
of now you being like, well, I got to teach
this other kid what like what is correct in the
world and what human rights are, but I don't know,
Like for me at the end of the day, it's
kind of what you said where it's like, am I
surprised that, uh not the Bedusol Act and goofy Am,

(47:34):
I surprised about Bunny acts, goofy Am, I surprised Carol
g Ash goofy No, No, because they're like they're just people.
They're just these people that I don't have an expertise
in this. Why would I go to them over an
actual journalist?

Speaker 4 (47:47):
You know, I like to give you flowers? Why would
I go to them for these over and actual journalists?
Not saying that there are artists that don't.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Have very good stances or very good like speak eloquently
and have like opinions and stuff.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
It's just like, girl, come on, like, I'm.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Glad you said that, because I've actually said out loud
on more than one occasion, I actually don't want to
hear gott you talk about race. I don't know. I
don't like the idea gives me a little seizure, like
I don't even get it again, like I said, what
she can do with any artist taking her out of
their equation, because it's why people may think I'm obsessed.
You know, I won't say her name for the rest

(48:23):
of my season because I swear to God, it's really
not about her, like and bashing her nothing like honestly
La saying I think she's doing great for her being
the biggest regu like I'm not a hero. But my
point is that they she doesn't need to say ship
like past the mic, like you don't you don't pass
the mic, you don't give out that like it like

(48:46):
and like past the mic, like you don't gotta be
me bo, like it don't gotta be you, it' gotta
be me, but it gotta be somebody you see me,
like you have power with your mic music. You know
it wasn't It doesn't need to come for you people.
And this is the thing. If she did that, I
promise you I'll become a fan. I promise you I.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Have Again with my tweets, I've said I have one
sided beef for no reason. With her no reason, just
like me being goofy again, like let's go back to me.
I make jokes all the time.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I liked her last album and I was like, you
know what, I take it back and now I'm back.
So I'm just like, never mind. So every day someone
can do something to win me back.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Absolutely, Kelly, we could keep talking. Got me God gott
to end the here. Thank you so much for joining
with me, Like this has been a key, you know,
really has.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I love you so much.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
I wish like here are your flowers now me giving
you your flowers. I don't know, like I know, we
keep saying like everyone comes to you, and it's like
and like you appreciate where you're Like what do we do?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
But that's just a.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Testament to like you as a person. I feel like
all these people maybe they wouldn't have thought, maybe they
wouldn't have been on the same page, and like be
aware of any of these situations is going on in
the world, like all of them, every single one that
we've talked about.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
So I appreciate you with great power comes heavy is
the cross or whatever it is, you know, yeah, whatever
that is.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
I love you so much.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
You had Donta Hanna, So.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
There's a bonus episode where I am passing them mic
to Sally and amazing a creative and just like consumer
culture in New York, who's also a good friend of
mine who I am just passing like. So I'm interested
in knowing what is she gotta say, Selly take it away? Hey,
thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I think what I just want to say is I
want to see new things. And I feel like I
keep making jokes.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
There's like recession indicators and I feel like we're going
I love that and trap, we're going.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Back to it.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I feel we're going back to everything sounding like pop again.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
But I want to see, like we talked about house
music outside of this, there's a hell of people doing
house music. There's little influences of like pop, afrobeats and regatton.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
I want to see all of that.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
So, especially as I love and like the old school stuff,
I want to see influences of outside culture being like
New York, Jersey, Chile we talked about.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
So that's my hot TAKEE That's what.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I want to say. I think it's your space, so
I'm gonna be very limited. I do feel like there
are a lot of exciting things going on right now,
and I let you speak more to that. I also
just wonder I'm gonna just leave, I'm gonna plant to
see them move on. I wonder what the lawsuit against
Reaton from the Jamaicans, how that's impacting a and ring

(52:36):
at the moment and like the curation of this music,
because that's something to consider.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
You're so right, there's the lawsuit that the like the
beat that all regatone, the rhythm that it is comes
from dance allid that actually might be why, hey, maybe
we should use this as as like a chance to
switch the music up.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I don't know, yeah, completely, that's so crazy. That is
so it's been so under the radar and like not
under the.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Radar, but like, oh it is, yeah, you get me,
Like people have stopped talking about it that I completely
didn't even like think about how that might be.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Why big ser waw, what.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Are we learning? Yeah, I know I'm in the center
of the storm, so I can't forget about it even
if people are, you.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Know, I really wonder that makes so much sense why
there's so many like I mean, I know that Gathone
always does that or it kind of goes to like
like I said, like there's like the Latin trap and
it was like dance hall for a minute, and then
it was afrobeats and then now it's back to like
just like it's like. But I do wonder how that
lawsuit of like are we are we gonna be able
to use.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
These Well, that's that's TVD. That's TVD. Man musing, what
else do you that?

Speaker 6 (53:51):
I don't know?

Speaker 4 (53:51):
You let me speechless with that one. Baby, Now I
have nothing to say. Now we've been talking. Let's see.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
So I want to see more things in set. I
want get to be more like inclusive. I feel wish,
you know, beating a dead horse with that one. But
I'm tired of seeing the same stuff I'm tired of seeing.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I love the old Heads, I love we sell I.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Love all these people, but I kind of want all
people step down, and like I want the weirdos to
kind of take over, like the.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Old kids to take over.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I feel like they are though. Yeah, I feel like,
you know, I will not go on record as calling
the old heads. We love them, but no, they have
their prodiges. Actually, you know, like a lot of them
have labels and they have like a lot of artists
signed to me, so that's there. So like, you know,
I actually actually saw recently Jody resign, well not real

(54:42):
he's signed to LA we seen so now he's with
them or whatever. So I'm excited for that because Jody
is a gem, and there's like a lot of new
casts that are signed under like I could name for instance,
DJ blast Nasty has like you know, like a whole
bunch of of artists and producers underneath him. There's a
lot of exciting stuff going on.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I feel like it's the next generation of all of
us have such a mix of different music that we
listen to growing up that I want to see how
people create that in their own space, Like how are
you using that you used to listen to, like Blank
one eighty two when you were younger in music now?
Or like how are you taking that you used to
listen to like straight calassical music, or that you only

(55:25):
listen to like Soco when you're younger, but you also
are at Dreguetneto or something.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
So I'd be interested to see that.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
That's what I want. Then, who's exciting you? Who's exciting me?
We talked it before Dana Lou excites me. She's not teetone,
she's house. She's a New York artist. Matt Lewis from
Puerto Rico is exciting me. I know he's on a
song with Guy Now. I listened to like two of
his songs and then just kept going. We talked about
Mina Augustine. I don't know. I feel like a lot

(55:53):
of like.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Local DJ slash producers and artists I'm getting inspired by
because it's nice to see kind of like starting from
going to see people out a club and like seeing
them do mixes and then churning it into their own
mix and you're hearing it out, or like you see
them working with someone else or like I can think
of one example specifically, but it's not reggaeton, but DJ
Milan she or DJ miss Milan. She was just like

(56:20):
a local DJ and she hit up Dochi and that's
her DJ.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Now, Like that's crazy to see.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
So it's like I see that for like.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Other people at everyone I mentioned, So it's like I'm
excited to see that, and that's what I'm excited for it,
Like I'm excited to see where these people go, not
that they have to work under a separate artist or
anything like that. But I'm excited to see like that,
like to be like, oh I saw them at SNS once.
Like my hot take is that I don't think that
Alsunas fall from Grace had anything to do with his

(56:50):
music changing. I don't think it had anything to do
with people switching over to other artists. I think it
had a lot to do with him.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Being linked to the murder of the Kevin Frett, but.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I don't think it had a lot to I don't
think it had anything to do with him being linked
as potentially being a murderer, but that he was in
a gay sex tape, And I think it has a
lot to do with machismo. I think it has a
lot to do with homophobia. That's my hot take.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I don't know how else to say if I just think,
I don't think I have anything to do with the
music that he was putting out, how he is as
a person.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
I just think it has a lot to do with
bachis on homophobia at the end of the day, and we.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Can go off on that for those of y'all listening, Yes,
my friend is very nervous right now for people that
come for her. I got to I got her, I
got us no better. I love the point that you
brought up, and I'm so glad you brought this up
because this is something that I had to say to myself.
It's like, look, being a murderer, like allegedly, right, let's
go there. Nobody assuw me that sort of accusation crazy,

(58:03):
but people didn't care about that. I super agree with you.
It was the idea that like you were linked to
like a queer, like a gay man. It's like that
really was their line in the sand. And then, you know,
not for nothing, I had to mourn, you know, with
full respect to to that. With that said, I had

(58:23):
to mourn because from one moment to the next, it
was like a black Regato was at the forefront. And
I'm like, I haven't felt this since like Dono Matd
dropped the Kings, and you know, since his era, like
in the two thousands, I haven't felt that we have
this in a contemporary way. There's all these other cats.
But he then he flown so that everybody was like

(58:45):
buying into there's American people who were singing that shit.
So like I had to mourn because it went from
that black man over with like these locks, you know
what I mean. He of course tokenizes his eyes, but
like these locks, right, and it's so for like black
look to like that's for nothing. But Bunny coming out
the woodwork like I love all the gay people. And

(59:06):
I was like, that's that's great. But hold on, wait pause. Everybody.
Everybody's like yes, yeah, finally, and I get it. There
was like a void to be filled. But at the
same time, it was like I have to mourn because
it was like from one moment to the next, mamelanin
oh know, yeah, they talked about it.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
It's time, like obviously I don't know if I can
speak on it, but it's very pointed, like you said,
like there hasn't been someone like that since Theagel, since
don Omar, but we're so quick to let like bad
Bunny kind of fake it, like fake the funk. Then
he's like might be part of the LGBTQ, And maybe
he is, who knows, but like I don't know, that's

(59:43):
just my that's my hot take. Actually, it's very pointed,
and it's very sad.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It is very pointed. It is very sad machismo and
I would say in a general sense and it has
gotten better, you know, if I had to, yeah, if
I you know, think about the past and now I
mean to Lets be real. That was based off off
of them Bow Them Bo is like a homophobic ass song. Yes, yes, yes,

(01:00:11):
the proof is in the pudding, it's in the roots,
it's in the DNA. That doesn't give an excuse. Also
by queer. Queer people have always been around, you know,
as long as this music has been around. Actually had
an amazing interview shout out to Nado Na Yahoo is
an amazing activist of somebody at Queer Puerto Rico, and

(01:00:34):
we were like talking about like our first queer experiences,
you know what, and it's like we've always been around.
Whether we've been accepted or not is a different thing,
but we've been out here. So anyway, my point is
super agreed. Love your point. It's supposed to be your time.
I'm not supposed to be talking. I know you're nervous
right now, So I got you. I'm like, don't have

(01:00:55):
for me, please, I just they won't. They won't, girl,
But that really is all the time we have for
pastor mic we handed this is setting make sure to
follow her love You got them well, that's not not

(01:01:16):
from me and from Oz. I want to hear from
one of you. This is now. Let's get into it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Momma hant Alena, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Am here where what a manny? How you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
You're good, loving, good, good, thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
You're ready to answer some questions?

Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Okay, First and foremost, like, how would you describe that
I don't seeing here.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
In LA I mean it's always been really vibrant early right,
I think has always had a really big presence from
like the early two thousands. And you know, whatever becomes
hot nationally like always has a stronghold here in that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Like it's just different. It's different from New York. Yeah,
and so in which case, who are you listening right now?

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
I mean, look, I'm a big fan of Faith, Bad Bunny,
you know, Chris MJ. Like, there's just a whole bunch
of up and cooming artists right now that like are
making the Regaton seem like very diverse.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Okay, And who would you describe if you had to,
Like you're Mount Rushmore. Who's so for me?

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Definitely like Daddy Yankee, Donald Marr are up there. You know,
Argang Hill is always somebody that, like, I've always been
a really huge fan of you know, I think nowadays,
because of like the influence that Bad Bunny has had
in the culture, I think that he's probably gonna be
up there. If he's not right now, Damn in a fifth,

(01:02:45):
that's tough for me. You know what, I'm gonna throw
Nikki jam into the mix just because of his longevity.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I'm gonna say, and I'm gonna say, it's just a
woman who is a woman to.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Be honest, I mean, I gotta go with Evie like
she she's like the og pioneer of women Regaton.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
So I gotta give her her flowers, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
And so your son Gunhill a bit more and tell
me about that, Like who is that gun here for you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
And why?

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
I mean, Gang Hill has a special place for me
because you know, he he's that kind of connection between
like the old school Reggaeton Neto's and the new school.
I feel like that period between like twenty eight and
twenty twelve when reggaeton kind of had this like going
through a lower trop he was one of those artists
that was carrying the genre on his back, and so
you know, I felt like he carried a lot of

(01:03:34):
those years and was a big influence for like all
these netos that came up.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Now, like the bad bunnies in the world, you know,
I mean, yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Definitely wants bad buddies mentor I don't know if you
know that. Yeah, okay, I love that. And so they married.
Like what is your heart take on reggaeton overall in general?

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
Well, my heart take is that I feel like the
center of the reggaeton world is slowly moving away from
Puerto Rico with all these new artists and like the
influence they've had in recent years in the genre.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
And what do you think that these newcomers need to
do in order to like give that a spite?

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Well, yeah, I mean they need to study the culture
and the history of the music, right and from its
origins and what it meant to the streets and to
the people, and like kind of the politics of reggaton,
you know as it came up, and understanding like the diaspora, right,
Like this is music that is rich in culture and

(01:04:30):
history and race, and so you gotta like really understand
and educate yourself about it and pay homage to it
in the best way that you can, and you know
that's how you make this a much more vibrant kind
of culture.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Thank you, Manny.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Anything to add, Nah, I mean I'm excited to see,
you know, all these new artists coming up. I feel
like there's a lot of new exciting things, you know,
stemming from Regaton in general, and so like this Latino
afrobeats movement going on, like I really fuck with it
and like I'm excited to see where it goes. Thank you, Mammy, Yeah, no,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
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