#EP24 Historian vs. Historian

Anthony Millian is one of the best storytellers I've ever met, an Afro Boricua from South Carolina, a dad, and my homie. Tap in as I get to know more about his story, and we break down some of the biggest political topics of today from censorship, to Charlie Kirk, and more this is a great one.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Me, stota sound soonest. Be married.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
There's so much going on in the world right now.
Late Night Taksha hosts are being censored. Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert,
Cardi b dropping a mind of the drama after seven years, Girl,
We've been waiting for you. Body is being found in
pop stars, cars Bad Bunnie's residency ending, increased bombardment in Palestine,

(00:29):
the assassination of one white man who's apparently like the
Nipsey Hustle of all the gringos, lynchings, school shootings, and
the Marcia. I'll be honest with you, like maybe once
a day, I close my eyes and fast forward to
thirty years from now, when historians are analyzing the time

(00:50):
now like happening right now, and I keep thinking, I
wonder what they'd say, because honestly, it's gonna be a
handful is scared. We can't fast forward to the future,
we can't go back.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We're in the present.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
We're in this moment and our actions are literally marking
the moment. Someone who I think gets that, like really well,
is my homie Anthony. You might know him with the
app death not ant. He's a dope historian who touches
on any topic really, so that touches his mind and

(01:29):
he's like, he's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
He's one on my homies.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
The Essaya know, safrobodygua from North Carolina, and there's a
ton of mutual love and respect for each other. And
I'm excited to chop it up with him on the
Bad Body Residency, which just sended his impact diaton in general,
some of the really sensitive topics I mentioned before and

(01:52):
at let's get into it. So I am super excited

(02:25):
because here Anthony million person now a badass historian, bauc
persona who's been part of my journey for like the
past couple of years.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Real recognized real on the Internet.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I remember when I had more follows than him, and
this man blew me out the water with all of
his amazing work telling stories in different capacities, whether in
musica or politics or just culture and Hanidal. This man
is a truth teller and someone that I respect grandly. Anthony,
thank you for being.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Here, very welcome. I really appreciate the work you do.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Got that and like, listen, the number doesn't matter, it's
about the impact, and you are doing the work. You're
doing the hard cultural work to make the big cultural impact.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
So I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh god, I sound I'm gonna get that energy right back,
give you your flowers because now seriously, like it's inspirational.
I remember us having conversations and you'll be like what
should I do, and.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Like just just keep going, keep going, It's gonna be great.
Like you got it. There's nothing I can tell you about.
You know what to do. You are doing it.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And I always respect people who are doing it because
there are people who want to do it, who think
they're doing it, who are who are like convinced they're
doing it, and there are people who are actually doing it.
So now respect right back to you. And I'm super
super super im proud of you as a friend, as
a colleague, like you're doing the damn thing and putting
on for afro bodiquas for bodicos and handada, but for

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afro bodicos, and I think that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
With that said, and me, this is your hour.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I want to hear from you, hear things in your words.
Tell me your story.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
So my story is, you know I grew up in Brooklyn,
in Brooklyn, New York. Uh, you know I grew up
in a family where I was black first, like you know,
I was that. I'm grateful, like because the world when
you're when you live in the United States, the world,
the world sees you as you are.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
So there was never any like, you know, like people say, oh,
you know, I'm not black, I'm Puerto Rican, Like, there
was never any any of that. It was your black first,
and you know it it helps that I came. I
came from family who you know, they they lived during
the Civil Rights movement. My dad was in Vietnam and

(04:49):
so they realized how this country was going to treat people.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So you know, it's it was never never a question.
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I moved to the South, you know, I live in
South Carolina now, and during the pandemic, I wanted to
TikTok became a thing and I wanted to teach, and
I was like, you know, what do I know? I
started talking about photography because I was one of my
first loves. You know, I was a photographer before I
was I did any of this, and you know, I

(05:21):
was like, you know, I made a video one day
about the mass sterilization of Puerto Rican women and that
went really viral, and I realized, like, this is.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Like people really want to learn about this, Like people
don't know this.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
First of all, I was like kind of upset because
people didn't know this. And then I was like, wow,
people really want to learn this, and so I started
I started talking about like different subjects as it related
to black excellence throughout the diaspora. You know, in spite
of everything that colonization and racism and subjugation has put

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us through, we have found a way as a people,
regardless of if you're in America, you're in Panama, you're
in Jamaica, wherever you are in the diaspora, we have
found a way to turn our history into excellence. And
so it's something that needed to be talked about. And
so I started talking about it and people seem to

(06:25):
resonate with it and people like it.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
So there's that wind up.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm having so many flashbacks as you're speaking.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I'm like me too, me too, because yeah, like I
remember that moment at a video go viral on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Rest ince Twitter, that's you want to go viral to Twitter?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
No no, no.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Back in the day though, back in the day, I'm
talking about X I'm talking about Twitter. Okay, okay, yeah, no,
Twitter changed my life. I remember I you know, I
someone splitting my damn was like, yo, go make a
video on I have a lot of followers. I'm gonna
retweet it and then you're gonna go viral. I was like, okay,

(07:09):
I was working at Dick Sporting Goods. I wasn't really
think about you.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Know, I did it. I woke up and life literally shifted.
So super filio on that.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
It takes that one piece of content, But kudos to
you on continuing to pull that thrun and it's real because,
as you said, there's a frustration why don't people know
this or why don't people get this or why doesn't
this exist? But that's why you exist. So that's beautiful.
And on that note, I am dying to know because

(07:38):
of course, Chando, we have a body versus a Patame
and Jamaican as about to get spicy in here, like
I look at history and a historian. But before we
do that, I want to know. I'm all about the moments.
Tell me about a favorite memory concerning on for you,

(08:00):
like something specific, tell me details.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's I have a living memory right now.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
So my my dad passed away two years ago, so yeah,
no problem. So I uh, you know, I was I
think a lot about bad money, to be honest with you,
because the year my dad died, it was his albumI
A Summer Without You.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
And then the next year.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
His album was Nadia look At Look At Paso Manato,
like no one knows what's going to happen tomorrow. And
then this year it was Theo and so like I think,
I think back when you know, when that album came out,
like it was my summer without without my dad. He
died at the end of the summer, but still it

(08:52):
was a summer without him. And then the next year
it was no one knows what's going to happen, right.
It's so you got to live in the memories that
you have because you never know, right. And then this
year it was my father, Like I should have took
more pictures. And I think about that all the time,
because I made it a point anytime I was with
my dad, anytime I went to New York, and time

(09:13):
I went to the Bronx to take tons and tons
of pictures. But they're never like even the pictures that
you have, you can take a million pictures once you
get to that millionth picture.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
They're never you never take enough photos, you know. And
so my my, my memories of my dad. Well, this
is why I love that money in his music because
for the last three years at least, his music has
been his album names have really resonated with me because

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they've been integral chapters. And you know what's really interesting
is that you know, now you know my dad and
so when when he came out with dibit like, I
was like, yeah, I gotta take pictures with my kid,
and so I make sure that I take pictures with
my son or of my son all the time, and

(10:10):
you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
So those are some of my best memories with and
they're ongoing.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I love that. I love that.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
But Bonnie has impacted you in that way specifically, right,
you know, I'm happy with the corner that he has turned.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Everybody knows. I have my opinions on that. Man.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean that I'm not clapping, and that doesn't mean
that I don't recognize the impact that he has on
Bodiqua specifically.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
I say it all the time.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I wish everybody had their bad Bonnie type of figure.
So Puerto Ricans are lucky in the sense of like
the type of I don't mean to dehumanize them, but
the type of mascot that they have in regard to
like a person who like symbolizes all of these things
and like has all of these cultural reminders.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I think that's beautiful and I'm dying to know.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because I think that's a beautiful memory with your family
and you as like, you know, like as a lover
of Regaton told me a story, you know, in regards
to like a song around the song or a concert
or a moment that stays with you. That's that's kind
of funny, Like tell me, I'm dying to hear.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Something like that.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
So last year was the first time I ever went
to a Bad Bunny concert.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
And I had never gone.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
I really wanted to go to the residency this year
because I think it would have been a full circle
moment with everything, and I would have, but I couldn't
afford the tickets, so I was like, yeah, let me
leave that alone.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
They were expensive. But last year I went to a
Bad Bunny concert and it didn't really it didn't really
hit me.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Well, doesn't have to be abound reggaeton because I have
I have so many stories like or it is it
is that cool?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Does that have to be a reggathon?

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Go for it? Okay, you're on the road here.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Okay, So actually it happened two days ago.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
It happened in Chicago, a story about validation.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
You know. I listened to a lady doctor Vegas. She
runs at.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
And she runs in the Bronx, and uh, I was
listening to her talk and like, there's so many times
within my journey as as a Puerto Rican that I
don't feel like I'm enough, and so listening to an
Afro Barriqua.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
But when it comes to that get on like and
feeling like I am enough.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
When I think about the pioneers of reggathon, like they
go called the own, but they all look like me
and you, right, and so like when you like, it's
never the people who.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like, it's up to you to realize and to know
your history that you are enough.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
But last year I went to a Bad Bunny concert
and didn't really hit me, like until the show started
that like the work that we do, I'm not just
myself but we you and I and others is important.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
You know, It's bigger than just music. It's bigger than
just it's history.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
It's a history of resistance, the history of standing up
for what you believe in. You know, at one time
Regaton was associated with not so good things, and now
we have people all around the world.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
That listen to Agathon.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
They don't even know the words, and they don't even
understand the words, and they're listening to this music.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
And so.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
When I went to this concert, I realize, like, this
is this is this is something that is like rooted
in in power, and it's something that we have to
like recognize. And it's not not what It wasn't just
a specific song. It was just looking around at the
crowd and seeing people from all over Latin America, not

(14:28):
even just all of the Latin America, white people, black people,
all over the world, and I was like, wow, this
is this is this is a celebration of power, of resilience.
And Puerto Rico is a tiny island. You can go
from one end of Puerto Rico to the other in
like four hours. And for this tiny little island with

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three million people on it, one man to have such
an impact globally, and for a genre of music to
have such an impact globally, it huge, and so that's
my story.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I love that, and yeah, reiterating again like I you
know what I hope for honestly, I hope.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
That bad Bunny gets a peaboty. I think he deserves.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
It peboty mm hmmm. I think he deserves it. I
don't think there's anybody with full respect to the greats
and the grands with with the millions of followers and
views and sales and whatever in regards to what this
is doing on a cultural basis that resonates personally and

(15:38):
across Diathora. He has Mexicans in Puerto Rico, he.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Has Chilanos, he has that all, he.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Has euro Bales, everybody, everybody's in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I feel like, you know, if people know what's good
for them, they'll experience once in a respectful way. And
I feel like only he could have done something like this,
And I feel like on the basis of the impact
of the socio political future of la Isla, I think
he deserves that sort of a word. I'm gonna put
that into the universe. Like I said, for my body,

(16:13):
I actually am actually rooting for you and see, so
moving forward, I would like to know on that no,
because we vibe so much on the historian level but
on a music level, And it doesn't have to be
what I get to, who are you listening to?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
What do you like?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Like? What is? What is?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
What have you excited in culture right now?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
So when I'm when I take my son to school, like,
I listened to like a lot of gospel just to
set the tone for him, because I'm like, okay, you
know uplifting, it's whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So I listened to.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Like a lot of I listened to Fred Hammond, I
listened to Maverick City music.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
But personally, I really.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Like I have really been getting into like patient Compa music,
Like I've been listening to this uh I love that.
I've been listening to that, and I'm like, I don't
understand the words, but you know, you don't really need
to understand the words. You understand the you understand the
uh like the energy, and they're like, you know, that's
just enough, That's enough. So I've been listening to that.

(17:14):
And then of course I listened to a lot of
old school salsa. I listened to a lot of Tony Vega.
I listen to uh, you know, bachata, of course, Romeo Santos,
I've been things like that. But my musical taste, to
be honest with you, is all over the place, and
it's really just about It's really just about like the

(17:35):
energy the music puts off. If the music, if it
has a good beat and it makes me feel a beat,
it makes me feel good about myself, then yeah, I'm
listening to it.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Also, I listened to a lot of I do listen
to a lot of drill music.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
I listened to Brooklyn Drill, Chicago Drill, just because it's
high energy. Even though, like I don't really too much
care for the subject matter they talk about.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I enjoy.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
I don't know, like especially when I'm in a mood
to talk about politics, Like for some reason, I gotta
listen to that. I gotta listen to smooth Ol, I
gotta listen to Chief Keith, I got to listen to
like litl Reese.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I gotta, you know what I mean, Like I gotta
listen to stuff like like hardcore, like cursing. I don't
know why. And that's okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Right now I'm laughing my ass off with TikTok because
I'm sure you've been seeing that trend of like the
Brazilian song that's been turning to an Ai.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, I've been singing it. I've been singing out around
the house a new Bolt. I love it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
It is such a I found the lyrics to the
song and I was like.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Nothing, which I feel like, you know, a lot.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Of a lot of Latin culture is like very free sexually,
so yeah, yeah, I feel.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You are not in the sense of like sometimes you
don't know why you need something that's like resonating like that.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I feel that. I feel the exact same way about Malienteo.
It's why I was so saf with obsessed with Hector
and father Yomo like that era.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I just feel like it was real to me, you know,
like speaking personally, like I grew up in the projects
and I'm like, bro, my experience was not sunshine and rainbows.
I have friends who are shot across the street. That
whole like, and I say it a lot, but the
whole like the stomping in the beginning of the sounding
like a like an army, I'm like the.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Ene, you know what I mean. So like putting that
in the music, I thought that was taking it. I'm like,
that's black as fuck. I love that.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So now I just feel like that's real. So I
hear you drilled. That was not on my Bengo card.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
But I love that a lot of people are surprised
when I look when I tell them, like, because you know,
I present how I present, But a lot of people
are very surprised when I when I tell them the
music or I show them the music I listen to,
They're like, what you outside?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
You outside, when you're not telling history, you outside?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
That's fun. That's I love that hiking.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
And on that note, okay, outside of that, buddy, who like,
tell me about you know as an afroboa, Like what
what does mean to you?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I mean when I think about I get on, I
think about like it brings back a lot of memories,
like because growing up hearing Daddy Yankee, like when when
Daddy Yankee, when Gasolina first came out, and then of
course Nori, like I don't know, like prior to that,
like being Puerto Rican was for me, It isn't that

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big of a deal. But then like when when Daddy
Yankee came out, and then when Gosolina came out, and
then when Norri came out with omikanto like.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
That, like people like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
It was like it put a lot of respect on
Puerto Rican's names, you know what I mean. So when
I think about reggaeton, like, I think about the respect
and I think about I think about the respect that
it put it gave to a lot of Puerto Ricans,
a lot of young Puerto Ricans, and then I also
think about the amount of talent that it brought out.

(21:40):
You know, how it crossed over, like I get done,
crossed over into the mainstream. And it was because of
like I know, it's debatable, but it was, you know,
a lot of it was because of North a guy
from Queens, a Puerto Rican guy from Queens.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
And so that's really what I think about.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
When I when I think about regaeton, is like it
brings back a lot of memories of the respect that
Puerto Ricans got for making a making a genre of
music so popular in New York at that time.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Hoyami ganto is definitely crucial and likes on history, it's undeniable.
It broke barriers. D you why wear gasolina? Definitely was
a moment. Did you experienced this in your family parties?
And my family parties like all my aunts and uncles,
they like make the kids like get in the circle
like bhye la la la, and they're like throw a dollar,

(22:36):
Like why.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
No, I don't get money. Dance on a.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Cycle you get money. No. I grew I grew very religious,
so like we didn't do dancing. We did Bible study.
That was it. We were in church four times a week.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
So what, oh my god, Well my parents they actually
met in church, like they thought they were both but
this is funny.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
They were both Bible study teachers. Oh my mom and
my dad.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
They were like super Baptist, super Christian. You know, I'm
in love in church. I grew up in me too,
Me too.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
But you know, one of my since since we're both
kind of church kids, one of my biggest memories was
like remember the.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Rapper fabulous f A b O l O U s.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Of course he had this song called keeping a Gangster
and it went like how we do keeping it a gangster?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Anyway? I used to sing that song all the time
and my mom hated it.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
And I remember one day one day we were driving
and I'll never forget we driving out Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn,
and she pulled over it and she was like, you
need to stop singing that song right now. And so
I started humming it and she was like, don't even
hum it, and I was like, oh god, I'm.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Screaming now with me.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
My mom, she tried to keep a balance with me
because I was I was like, okay with good grades,
and I was, I'm telling you, like the way I
grew up Puerto Ricans Dominicans, like, I don't know what
meeting these people had, but Boston is PR and p
r PR early on. We are definitely like up until recently,
and so like get that lego, like it was inevitable.

(24:19):
Like I wasn't listening to Reagan Espanol dance on Spanol
like paame and reaton. I was listening to per Reo
like South but we sing, and that's what you know.
I have very fond beverories throwing my mom would she

(24:42):
be like, you can throw a party because I want
to see you.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
You're not going to their house.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
They're coming here because I want to see you your
nasty little friends perando.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Where I can see you're not leaving. Oh no, my mom.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
She she did that compromise, just like you can have
the parties you want because you can't leave the house.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
You can't leave the house. Well you know, I guess
that's a safety thing. That's really yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah she was your fat little friends or whatever, and
like get that. No, so it'd be like comedy because yeah,
it was like a duality and like my friends would
often like beg my mom, if if there could be
parties in my house because my house turned into like
a safe space for like, which before I even do

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what a safe space was, I always thought it was flattering.
I'm like, oh, you want to throw a party here.
I'm like, are they just using me? I'm like, no,
they just feel comfortable here.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
They feel comfortable. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, so I thought that that was that was cool,
and my mom invited it because she was like, you
are not leaving.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
That's what I'm putting that in the back of my
head for when my son gets older.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, I mean yeah, if you could see him, you
know what I mean, Like, don't don't let him know
that that's what's going on. Because I didn't realize that
that was going on until I asked her to go out,
because I would never have desire to go out.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm like well the vibe is over here.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, I got to go to your house for But
eventually when I would ask, she's like, Okay, who's going
to be there, who's the parent there? How you get
in there, how you get in back? What time it starts?
What time it ends?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
La la la?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
If.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I couldn't answer, not one of them, and even if
I could, sometimes I.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Don't last.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Me Scott at Son sons, I hate to do it
to you better and say, well we rape back right
after these messages, let's again know some way on freeze.

(26:50):
But I do want to pivot a little bit from
music because you this, This is this mostly for me,
because I'm like, you know, I actually don't know these questions.
We're friends, but I actually don't know the answers to this,
to these questions regarding drill and things like that was
not on my Bengo card. But I do want to
get a little bit more into like the politics side

(27:10):
of things. Just i'f that's okay with you only because
you cover that, and you cover that beautifully, masterfully, And
there's so much going on in the world, so first
and foremost, you know the world is like upside down
right now, you know, like we have this very interesting
president to put it at the at the minimum, and

(27:32):
there's a lot of people. I imagine this is the same
for you, and if not, please correct me. A lot
of people may be approaching right now like why is
this happening? You know, they can't really do that, can they?
You know, there's like a lot of their momentum and
desire to like dissuade misinformation, but more importantly, really undersynthesize

(27:53):
what's going on, because what is your experience right now
regarding like the state of world?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
What are people approaching you with? What what's phenomena?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
There's so many phenomenons, Like what phenomenon has really been
catching your attention?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
And why?

Speaker 4 (28:11):
The phenomenon that's really been catching my attention is like
people don't understand civics, like basic stuff, Like they don't
know that if you're born here, you're a US citizen, right,
they don't know and it's dangerous, Like they don't know
that if you're undocumented you.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Still get due process.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
They think that, oh, due process is only for people
that are US citizens and it's it's not true. It's
and it's dangerous because if you if you say to
yourself like, oh, this undocumented person doesn't get due processed.
All it takes is one person to say that, like, oh,

(28:53):
this undocumented person doesn't get due process, not knowing that
they do, and be like, Oh, I could do whatever
I want to them, kill them, I can hurt them,
you know.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
What I mean.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
So and then like with the whole like American citizenship thing,
like the moment you're born here, you're you're a US citizen.
And people don't get that just because your parents are
undocumented doesn't mean that you are.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
And it opens the door for a.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Lot of bullshit, a lot of the bullshit that we
are seeing now.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
And you know, people see what the president is doing.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
And they some people like what he's doing, but they
don't realize that it's illegal or he can't do that.
And so when they when there's a court that's getting
in the way of the president doing something that's illegal,
they get upset and they go, wow, they must not

(29:58):
want you know, this is a liberal judge or this
is this when they really when the whole thing is like,
it's illegal.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
What he's wanting to do is illegal.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, that there are laws written down that it's not
just something that came out of left field. It's like,
look right, there is precedent for this, you know what
I mean, Like, it's not just the judge decided that
per the laws written down in this country. There is
like people don't understand the branches. I'm with you on that.
People don't understand the branches. He is just in charge

(30:27):
of the executive branch. But there's a judicial branch, it's
a legislative branch. And it's because of the checks of
balances of power, you know what I mean, Like, you
can't just.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Do what he wants. This is not a dictatorship, you
know what I mean. Super with you with that.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Another thing that's really scary to me is like another
thing that's really scary to me is how easy and
how fast it is to get misinformation out there. It's insane,
and like it's so easy to make a website, it's
so easy to create a Facebook page or whatever whatever
you do and just pump misinformation out there. And if
you use the right words, it.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Makes it sound like you're legitimate and so you have
you know, and by the time misinformation is out there,
it's already reached ten twenty thirty thousand people and here
you are putting it out, putting the truth out, and
it's not reaching the same amount of people, and you're like, oh,
you know, by the time I don't know that, I

(31:27):
can't remember the quote, but it's something like, by the
time a lie is a forest fire, you have already
arrived with a bucket of water.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
It's like, it's too it's not enough to put out
the fire.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Real, real, Yeah, no, it's scary.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
A' all for free speech and whatnot, because without it,
like and even with free speech or censorship, which that's
something that I've been processing lately, like you know, my work,
I've been I've written four different publications, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
The media landscape.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Has completely shifted in the sense of like every person
of color everywhere I know has been fired. It went
from like me knowing like twenty people at one place
to like I don't even.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Know who's there anymore.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And it's all intentional, you know, Like the the billionaire
circle owns a lot of these media institutions, and they're
sick of people like me saying something or or you know,
like or my colleagues or whatever, in the sense of like, oh,
that's so liberal, Like let's let's shift the the curate. Yeah,

(32:42):
And it's like people don't understand. I wish there was
more solidarity from the public, you know, like a one
thing that frustrates sweet. And it's part of the reason
why I'm very intentional with who I interview as far
as like artists go, is because you'll, like.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
People don't get how shit works.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I will be behind the scenes telling an editor, this
is why this artist needs to be covered. This is
what they're doing in culture. They deserve it. And then
I'll fight, fight, fight. Finally it gets greenlight, we do it,
I do the interview, it goes up, and then the
artist goes, thank you're rolling Stone. I'm like, hold on
hand on hand on rolling Stone.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Didn't fight for you, Booth. That was me, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
And this is not like an ego thing regarding like
I need all the flowers. No, take your flowers, run
with it, your social rolling Stone whatever. And I'm just
much love relling Stone.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I love you. This is not anything bad or whatever.
It's just an example.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
But like it's just you know, an example to say
that people don't understand how shit moves behind the scenes.
An amount of work it takes for like people to
like push them forward, and so yeah, it's I wish
there was more solidarity, not just on that front, but
in the sense of like people really supporting journalists and
storytellers because we'll be having a fight for our lives

(33:57):
while we're trying to advocate for the truth.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
So thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
On that note, what is something that you wish people
paid more attention to, like US civics. Of course, understand
now that there's due process and there's this check of balances,
but if there's one thing that you're like, oh my god,
if only you could just like what.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Is that for you?

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Man, that's a good one. I was ready for that question.
What do I wish people paid more attention to? I mean,
I wish people paid more attention to how things move
behind the scenes, Like nothing is in a vacuum. Like
we see the president doing what he's doing, but like
nobody's the president is the figurehead, but underneath him, there's

(34:42):
ten people that are creating these policies and they're making
them into ways that they can move through the courts.
And you know, I wish people paid attention to what
was going on behind the scenes. But you know what
like it takes work to find that, to find the information.

(35:03):
I also wish more people paid attention to history, Like
I mean history, like none of the stuff that's happening now.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Is new, Like it's history repeats itself.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
If you look at stuff that happened like in Germany
in the nineteen thirties and forties, like a lot of
that stuff is happening now, like history repeats itself.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And I wish people like I had somebody a couple
of weeks ago say.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I think history is boring, and like, honestly, it's all
about how you consume it. If you're consuming it from
somebody who's a boring history teacher, then yeah, it's going
to be boring. But if you're consuming it from someone
who you know is more your pace or whatever, then yeah,
it's going to be a little bit more entertaining. But

(35:52):
history repeats itself and it's not in a vacuum. And
I think it's dangerous to say that history is boring
or you don't care about it because you look at
everythink through the lens of oh my god, this is new,
how do we fight back?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Fight fight back? And all actuality. It's not new.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
It's something that's happened before, and the blueprint is from
the people that were from there and how to fight
fight back.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
There is so much going on right now. You know,
me and you, what we have in common is that
we've built platforms telling the truth. And it's not just
like soundbites we get on Wikipedia, like we do our
due diligence. We we ask questions, we investigate. We have
an ethic about us that keeps our storytelling truth and authentic.

(36:48):
You were telling me earlier today that, like, you know,
there was a background research that you did regarding Studia
Cruz for example, and it's like, that's that's the difference,
you know, like between an influencer and someone who should
be in programming and who is in programming and is
at the top of the top of the top, which

(37:08):
is you. And so with that said, it's.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Really interesting right now.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, like this sort of media landscape that we're in
right now with like left versus right is by partisanship whatever,
this dichotomy the way that these different political sides like
manifest I've been saying a lot lately. I'm like, I
think the Republicans one thing they got right is that

(37:34):
these motherfuckers when they get together and they organize, they organize,
and when they say that they're gonna put an action forward,
they do like they got that, you know what I mean?
And I think I'm not I'm not a Democrat per
se speaking for myself, but I am of course left leaning,
and I always like think to myself, like, what would

(37:54):
the world look like if people just got together organized? Yes,
I know resources are scarce, but like in regards to
like getting on the same page, I know I want
to get bounced around a little bit. What's your thoughts
on the idea of people being on the same page
or lack there of, Like, where are you with that?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
What's your take on that?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Yeah, I think like there are so many like I
honestly I agree. I think people need to get on
the same page. Political parties aside, Like, at the end
of the day, a lot of us we want the
same thing, right. I think at the end of the day,
even your most conservative person should think that it thinks

(38:37):
that healthcare is too expensive, right, and you know their
kids want your kids need to go to good schools.
I think everybody fundamentally thinks the same thing. It's just
the goals on how we reach it are different. So,
you know, with that being said, I think that we
need to have more conversations with each other, right, And

(38:58):
I think what has happens in the on the internet
is that people end up getting in their own echo
chamber where the people that they that people that think
like them end up being the people that they engage
with all the time. So they tend to think that
the way they think is the way everyone should think, right,

(39:18):
And if you don't think like me, you're just like
really dumb because what the way I think makes so
much sense, and everybody that I engage with thinks the
same way. But I feel like, you know, when it
comes down to getting on the same page for me personally,
it makes sense on what we all want, but I

(39:41):
really wish we could get on the same page on
how we get there, you know what I mean, Because
within the spectrum of our wants are people of different
socioeconomic privileges or lack thereof that.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
See the end goal different and how to get there differently.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
So I you know, I wish that I wish I
had an all encompassing answer for it, but it's it's
it shouldn't be as complicated as it is That's just
how I feel.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
You know what your answer made me think of? I
super love like where you went at the end. One
thing that I found is that there are so many
misconceptions regarding how certain people live.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And I mean that amongst the poor, like the ridge
really have the poor.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Like like in a daze, because this phenomenon of like
stereotype that the number one what you call it snap,
but you call it food stamps, the number one food stamps. See,
I don't even know what it is to my point,
you know what I.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Mean, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
What it's called qualified ps A.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
I have never qualified for foods that me and my
mom like, we've never because we've told quote unquote that
we make quote unquote too much money.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I grew up in a project, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Like like this is literally my point, Like I think
there's like there's so many stereotypes out there regarding like
people with multiple kids and they get food stamps and
they get Section eight and this is not I'm like, bro,
you know, the majority of people who have that are white,
you know what I mean, Like, majority of people who
have that are white. There are what you call them
food scarcity food, not food famines. It's food deserts deserts exactly.

(41:31):
That's rampant amongst black and brown communities. So I think
that stereotype is hilarious. I've grown up going to my
local food pantry without anydguenza. Get me them carrots for free,
get me the potatoes for free. I'll stand in line,
my mom gets her bag, I'll get my bag.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Like hell, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
So I agree. I think when you're poor, I didn't
grow up wealthy. I feel like if I would have
lived anywhere else in America, I would have been middle class.
But I grew up in Brooklyn, but that was very
expensive even in the nineties, and so we were considered poor.
And when you are economically disadvantaged, there's so much shame, Like,

(42:10):
you know, when you go.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
To the food we used to go to.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
My mom and I used to go to Saint Mark's
food pantry, and they give you like a brown bag,
a brown paper bag full of canned goods and like
bread and stuff like that, and you know, there's so
much shame in being poor.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
But I feel like, at the end of the day,
we all need to eat.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Yeah, funck all that shame shit. We need to I'm sorry,
Am I allowed to go?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
You're good?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
You're good? Okay? Fuck all that shame shit, Like you
need to eat at the end of the day. What's
I mean?

Speaker 4 (42:41):
What's more important how the person next to you thinks
about you or dying of starvation?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
And so yeah, I mean that's a I hate when
people say, like, you know, I I love that you
said you didn't have any shame in going, And I
hate when people are like, oh, what what are people
going to think about me?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
If I do this? What are people?

Speaker 4 (43:03):
You have to meet your needs and the things that
are there to help you meet your needs are there
to help you meet your needs.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Fuck all that shame shit. Oh I don't know what
are people going to think about me? It's there to
help you, you know what I mean. So a lot
of people are faking it until they make it.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I'm in l a now, and I'm laughing because I'm like, oh, la,
rich is different.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I remember meeting up with some of my girlfriends that
were like, let's meet in Beverly Hills. I was like, okay,
and they're rich, Like my my girlfriend's a lawyer, Like
she's a really big lawyer. And she's like, oh, let's
let's link up. And then I was like, where are
we going? She told me the place. I'm like, let
me look up this menu photo on you hold on
girl on here. And I'm laughing because I was like, oh,

(44:01):
at a certain point, because I had a rental car.
At a certain point, I get to the street and
I'm like, oh, la, Rich is different because at a
certain point I saw was Rose Royce, Mercedes BMW, and
I was like, there's not a place in Boston and
in New York and.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Where that's all I see.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I still see Yandai or whatever, Honda. Like I've never
been to a zip code where like all I see
are like these cars and I'm driving in this enterprise
freaking Nissan.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
That's like, how many of those cars, Like, for example,
you see the same thing in Atlanta. You'll see people
and they have you know, bent Lee's Rolls, Royce BMW.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
How many of those cars are rented?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, I mean you got to you got a point.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
How many of those cars are rented? Some of them?
I mean, there's no way for us to know, but
you know some of those cars, you.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Know they're getting a little ping on their phone that
cars do back in the next hour or we're gonna
come get it.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Because okay, bringing it back to toone. What we're talking
about is actually la movie, right, like la movie.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Like that you're selling, right, you're selling a lifestyle like
you're not living, you know. It's it's why a lot
of like Donado's with full respect, with full respect, they'll
be like with these cars in their videos, but then
the same thing, they gotta turn it back or whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Oh, they'll have the ice on them. But that shit
is fake, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
This is just pray Amazon dot Com. But they still
got it, Like I guess yo somewhere cheap, so like
not yeah, like I guess Another PSA is just like
bro do what you gotta do to survive. Life is hard,
you know, persona like the Fulana because like the card
and people, people are are faking it, you know, faking

(45:49):
until they make it. Oh, going gets good and hand,
we'll be right back with more and then they millions
right after these masses do not move. One of the

(46:29):
most craziest things happened just a couple of days ago,
and it was the assassination I don't even know what
to call it.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
The murder Yeah of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I think I'm saying his name right, And I want
to unpack that with you because I feel like you
have the range, we we have the ring to have
this conversation and have it intelligently. What the heck what
is running through your mind in.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Regards to that?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Listen, I feel like, you know, my heart goes out
to his kids.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
You know, they were young, and you know they don't
they don't deserve to grow up without a father, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
I feel like it's it's very.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
The way I feel about it is like I'm trying
to think of the right words.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
So if you want to say that, you're good.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
He was he he was the type of person that
he was, you know what I mean, he, for example,
you know what you're.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Doing in this job of entertainment.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
If he walked into this job, right, he would look
at you and immediately not ask you like anything. He
would he would question your qualifications and whether or not
there was a white man that you took a job from,
you know what I mean? You know, he said really
horrible things about LGBTQ people.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
He said really horrible things about black people, specifically black women.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
This man was a high school dropout and thought he had.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
The intellectual bandwidth to call a Black Supreme Court justice
a DEI hire right, excuse me. He wasn't high school
drop out. He was a college dropout. Let me rephrase it.
He was a college dropout and he thought that he
had the intellectual band with to call a Black Supreme
Court justice.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
A DEI higher. I don't like.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
There's no specific group of people like I. I won't
like people individually. I'm there's no specific group of people
that I would look at and be like, oh, I
don't like that whole group of people, Right, Can I
ask why?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Like, what is your why not? Because a lot of
people are going to be there and they're going to
be like why why?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Why don't I.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Don't hate whole groups of people because I think people
are there. I think people are themselves individuals.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
I'm not going to ever meet every single white person,
so I can't say I hate every single white person,
but if I meet a racist, I hate that person
because they're racist.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Right. That's just how I've.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Always been raised, like to look at people from an
individual basis, like I hate racism, I hate what racism represents,
I hate you know, things like that.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
But this man looked at whole groups of people.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
And immediately was like, oh, I don't like them, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
And so like it seems like he may have done
that way too much, and he spent a lot of
his adult life making enemies.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
So it's like, you know, like he got he it happened,
you know, And I feel bad for his kids because
you know that's you know, they got to grow up
without a dad now and they saw what happened. But
you can't make enemies and expect to just go about

(50:16):
your life like you're not making enemies. Yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
About as nice as that's about as nice.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Feel really, that's what it.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Because I really want to say some stuff, but you know,
I feel I feel you.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I'm down for the fire. I won't go there, and
context of you know, like uh, for people listening. These
are some of his quotes. I'm on the Guardian. If
I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy,
I hope he's qualified. The Charlie Kirkshaw twenty third January
twenty twenty four. If you're a w NBA pot spoken

(50:53):
black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United
States marine? The Charlie Kirkshaw eighth of December twenty twenty two.
Happening all the time in urban America, as if you
would know, prowling blacks go around for fun to go
target white people. That's a fact. It's happening more and more.
The Charlie Kirkshaw nineteenth of May twenty twenty three. If

(51:13):
I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic
black woman, I wonder is she there because of her
excellence or is she there because of affirmative action? The
Charlie Kirkshaw thirty Dagran twin twenty four. The last one
I'll read. If we would have said that Joy Reid
and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee at Katanji Brown

(51:34):
Jackson where affirmative action picks, we would have been called racist.
Now they're coming out and they're saying it for us.
You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise
be taken really seriously. This is what you were referring to.
You had to go steal a white person slot to
go be taken somewhat seriously. So, I mean, there's so

(51:54):
much too unpack.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
If you look at each of those statements, Think about
the amount of privilege for somebody who dropped out of
college who was given a platform to say that. Think
about how much gall you have to have to say
that about these people. Are you talking about people that
were in the w that are in the WNBA, that

(52:17):
had to prove that they were good enough. You're talking
about Michelle Obama who's a license attorney in Chicago who
met her husband as an attorney.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Her husband goes on to become the first black president.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
He's talking about Katanji Brown Jackson who is a Supreme
Court justice, Hila Jackson Lee who was a congresswoman. Right,
people that were elected into office. And this man has
been given every opportunity that he's that he's gotten and
never had to earn it because he knows the right

(52:52):
words to say and he knows how to rile people up.
And you're expected me to believe that, you know, he
he you know what I mean? You don't understand what
I'm saying, Like I do.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I do?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Who is he to say this? And I again, I hate.
I feel bad that his kids had to see that, right,
But who is he to say those things?

Speaker 4 (53:18):
What scholarship does he have to say the things that
he's saying about the people he's saying them about.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
You know, this is reminding me. There's like a conversation
online regarding and academia and credentials because a lot of
people are like, oh, well, do we respect public scholars
or not?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
And I'm a public scholar.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I've gone to school, I have two degrees and bachelors
and then associates, but I'm still considered a public scholar
because I don't.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Belong to an institution.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
You know, I have academic background, I understand academic process,
and I've studied journalism. I'm a journalist, a communications professional,
but like, I don't belong to an institution. No one's
fact checking my work. I'm doing due diligence, you know.
And most people online, I mean, if they've gone to school,
that's what they're doing without knowing that they're doing it,
or maybe consciously. And then there's the other side of things,

(54:14):
where there are people who are just brilliant, right, there
are people who are brilliant haven't gone to school, but
they they do a storytelling that it's good.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
But then there's the other avenue of people.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
And I would put Charlie Kirk in this lane in
the sense of, like, you know, just spewing things just
to spew them, not necessarily caring about the context of
it all, because I mean, look at the questions that
he's post, right, and the same note of what you said,
who you've asked?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
You know, I don't want to interview, go for it,
I don't want to interrupt.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
But the difference between you and him is that you
have worked to get your associates to get your backwards
yeah right, And not only that, you're in a field
in communications where and you're doing the work with the
Regaeton with your communications with your communications degree, and you

(55:06):
could speak confidently about what you know what you're talking
about because you've done the work.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
But you know what's scary there are people speaking confidently,
don't like they know they're wrong, and they're loud anyways,
And that's kind of where I'm going.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
That's not him, that's him.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
He speaks confidently about everything and he has no scholarship. Yeah,
he had no scholarship to back up anything. And he
says it about people who do the work. Yeah, his
only work is talking shit about everyone else.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
He's also a major aspect of a culture where like
there's this phenomenon and that's going on right now where
like people think that if enough people say a certain
ideology that it makes it true.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Look, let's bring this to science terms.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Right, Like if you if you like, you know, you
can you can wish I cancer away, right, you can
you can say, oh, you know, like, oh.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
They told me, they told me I have I have
brain cancer. But like what do they know? You know
what I mean, like, uh, what do they know?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I'm going to I'm just gonna do my little thing
and then it's gonna go away and there goes my headache.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
You cannot do that. Like we have science.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
There are literal like processes that have been created, tests
that have been run, people who have been killed in
the name of science, all for us to learn and
move a step, move a step further in order for
people to have strong backed up facts. And this is
kind of like where I'm at and where I want
to go with you in the sense of, like I've

(56:41):
been frustrated as a historian. I think we started off,
you know, off camera, like me telling you I hate.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
The anternet I do, I really do? Dog Like if yo,
just for the record, if I could do what I
do with.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
The Internet, I would freaking do it, because it's like this,
this is this is what grinds my gears right here.
There are people arguing facts with opinion because they don't
even know how to recognize there.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Or they it's either one or two things.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
They don't know how to recognize their opinion as an opinion,
or they're so up to so arrogant that they think
that just because they conjure up something and there's like
a sort of logic behind it, that it makes it factual.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
That's not how things work. And so this brings me.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I know we're talking about trendy Kirk and all these things,
but did you see that Jubilee thing a couple of
weeks back when Amanda seals Yes, that shit broke my mind, bro,
because why are you platforming these mothers?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Like what's going on?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Dog?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Like? Why why if you know you know things are
correct because they're research and they come from a place
that's written in a book that is oh, I don't know,
like you know, tried and true, you know what I
mean in the sense that, like people have literally done
the work to make sure that this is coming from
a logical place and a factual place. Why are you

(58:00):
talking to people who who who don't care about any
sort of thing like that, like in twenty twenty five.
I guess the question I have for you is what
what one do you agree with me in the sense of,
like platforming people certain demographics are not productive, you know.
That's my number one critique of that, Like that was

(58:20):
not productive, Like we do not need to give every
fool a microphone. That's my opinion.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
One and two.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Just this general growing anti intellectualism that is just working against.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Everybody at all levels.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
But it's not it's not really being discussed in a
way that that is necessary because it's growing.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
What is your take on this?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
So I agree with you to a point when it
comes to platforming people.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
I think if you're platforming people with their intellectual equals,
then yeah, like for example, if you're if you're platforming
somebody like Amanda Seals, who is brilliant and smart, and
you know, with someone that is like her intellectual equal,
and they're going to have a good faith discussion. Yeah,

(59:11):
But that roundtable bullshit that they do on Jubilee, where
people don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and
they're going up against someone like Amanda Seals who knows
what she's talking about and has done the work. Absolutely not,
because you're just going to get a group like and
this is what you see on Jubilee. You just see
a bunch of contrarians, people that just want to five

(59:34):
seconds of fame, to build their audiences, to build their
social media follow up things, to get a SoundBite that
they can put out there.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
And that's all you'll see over and over and over again.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
They interrupt, they continuously interrupt Amanda Seals, and they say
it's owning the libs, right, And then anti intellectualism. The
way I feel about it is like it's too easy
to be anti intellectual. There's a lot of people out

(01:00:06):
there that when when when confronted with facts, they'll say, well,
I just have to do my own research. No, you
don't have to do your own research. The research has
already been done. It's right here. What research more research
are you going to do? You're going you don't like
this thing, so you're going out there to try to

(01:00:26):
find something to refute this thing, and you're getting it
from unreputable sources. You're getting it from websites where people
want to lead you astray. Like it's so easy to
be intellectually dishonest and to fall into the trap of
anti intellectualism. And honestly, I have fallen into the trap

(01:00:47):
of anti intellectualism because during the pandemic, like I was
nervous about getting the COVID vaccine because I was seeing
so much nonsense on the Internet about the COVID the
COVID vaccine, and I was like, eventually I did get it,
but I was like, man, should I get this because

(01:01:08):
it seems scary, But you know, when you realize the
benefit is a lot better than if you don't get it,
then you get it. So you know, that's just my
take on it. And that was just an example.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, and I appreciate your vulnerability with that because that's
that's real, and I think it's I super appreciate you
even sharing that because at the end of the day,
people need to hear that, like, yes, it's scary, it's
okay to be scared. This is not about being right
all the time, Like doing due diligence takes time, and

(01:01:43):
time causes anxiety. Like we are in a in a
in an age where like we have our phones are
like computers. Bro, Like we open up our phone, we
want to know something, open it up Google, right there,
whatever search engine. So like we are we are spoiled
because we we get we get whatever info we want
at our fingertips quickly. So anything that delays that or

(01:02:06):
the quickest thing that we can run with like often
puts us at ease. But like, wouldn't you feel much
better just knowing that things are true versus just running
towards anything to try to quell your anxiety, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
There's no sort of like culture around that or in
regards to like speaking truth to that, because that's a
real that's real, you know, like it's real to be scared.
Look at everything going on. You turn I hate turn
on the news. You turn on the news, and it's
like I just turn on you every morning for the record,
every morning I wake up, I open my phone, I
go and see it, and I'm like, are we at war?

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Like I I sort of God, I'm like, yo, are
we good?

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Like are we are we good?

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
You know? And it's real. You know, this is not
me being a paranoid person.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
It's like, are we acting like there aren't conversations with
Iran today that we haven't had in the past a
lot more escalated, and that Russia is an horny with
their little with their missiles right now. Horny is fine,
like so you but no, super appreciate you indulging because
and my take on it, because you've shared, I feel

(01:03:17):
like Charlie Kirk, I'm sorry. I'm gonna go there, y'all,
like you reap what you saw. You're spewing hate. Hate's
gonna find you. You don't get to determine what hate
looks like. Right now, there's a conversation regarding if the
shooter was even left leaning.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
There's this assumption, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
We don't even know that, you know, we don't even
know what what political side the shooter is on. Again,
you could be queer, and you could be left leaning
or right leaning, you know what I mean, which has
its own nuances that I won't get into because we
don't have the time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
But like, you could be queer, you could be left
or right you know what I mean? You could.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
The point is is that there's no definitive like fact
as of today today's Friday, September twelfth, regarding you know,
who the shooter is, what their politics was, what their
ideology was, what the reasoning was. If the alleged writing
on the shellcas things are true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
If they are, I'm gagged because it's hysterical.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
But if it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Has said if you're reading this, you're gay, as fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Wow, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Like, okay, well, if you're gay, you're not, or maybe
you are gay, Andrew, I don't know. But like the
point is is that there's so there's so many there
more questions and answers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
On that note.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
The other thing I'll say is is that no, I
don't miss him. I want to say this loud and clear,
and I don't care who gets pissed off. I'm convinced
that some people would mourn if this was the eighteen hundreds,
some people would mourn their slave masters.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah, I'm convinced. There's nothing about Charlie.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Kirk that was progressive, that inspired humanity and people. You
know what's really crazy is that if he wasn't so
hateful some of these questions that he has posed, I
would actually entertain like him saying if I see a
black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Is that racist? Absolutely? Also, why is it racist?

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
It's racist because there's this assumption that the person got
there because of their skin color and not because of
actual process and an effort. Right, And going back to
what I had said before, Remember I had said that
there's this misconception on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
How people live. I think there's a direct tie to that.
There's a direct tie.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
It's all of a sudden, all you see are black
faces in places that you're not used to, and then
you're told I think it's logical that, like, if you
see black faces in places that you're not used to
as a white person, then all of a sudden, there's
like a lot of black people there or people of
color there, and you're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Like, what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
You know, how did this happen? I think I think
that's a logical question. How did this happen? I think
it's logical to a question like am I doing enough
to be where I'm at? Because maybe you're not, And
that's the point, but maybe maybe that's not explained to
you in the way that it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
It's just explained to you in the way that it's like, oh,
well they're here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Now, I would feel you know, if like trying to
put myself in the other person's shoes whatever, I would
feel a way too, because it's like, yo, hold.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
On, what the fuck? Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Like, am I in trouble? Am I safe? That's what
it But that's what it boils down to. Am I safe?
Am I safe to provide for my family? For myself?

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Am I good?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I think that's a logical question, But that's not what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
What's going on is that there's just like hate being
spewed because of the fear of that type of question
and also the audacity the arrogance that like, because it's
always been one way for white people to move up,
that it should maintain that way. That's what white supremacy is,
you know what I mean? And so as long as yeah,

(01:07:07):
for those who are gonna get mad here in that,
that's what white supremacy is. Just maintaining the legacy of
how you get things and how others don't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Suck and the way the Charlie Kirk's he wasn't coming
from an intellectually this honest intellectually honest place. When he
did that, he wasn't like he saw a black person
in a job. If he saw a black person in
a job, his automatic thought process from the things he
said was there has to be a white person out

(01:07:35):
here that's more qualified. That black person is taking that
person's shop. Yeah, and so that's you know, that's where
I mean, that's what makes it racist. Not only does
it make it racist. What are you saying about that company? Right,
especially with airlines? Are you saying that an airline is
willing to put the put the lives of hundreds of people,

(01:07:59):
that people, how many people that person's flying around in
jeopardy by higher just because they're black. What are you
saying Are you saying they're not able to you know,
it's a lot bigger than just oh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
This black person has a job they don't deserve.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Yeah, it's a companies not this company doesn't give a
fuck if.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
We live or die, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Oh yeah, oh my god, And thank you. And to
wrap it up here, I would be remiss if I
didn't go here. There's a Pato Rican and that Panamic
and Jamaican on the line. We gotta go here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I want to get into this question, so to bring
it back to Rayaton perto Rican versus panaman Jamaican. As historians,
we know that although our analysis is crucial in storytelling,
what's more important are the facts. With that being said,
what facts resonate with you as far as the origins

(01:08:58):
of rahaton the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
It is a black genre, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Like started by Panamanians of Caribbean descent who spoke Spanish,
brought over to New York, you know, excuse me, not
brought over to you, brought over to Puerto Rico through
and it made its way to New York. There was
a lot of transformations. But it is a black genre,

(01:09:27):
that's it. That's I don't I try not to get
into the weeds about who created what because it's here now,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
But I see it as a black genre that's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Me brought up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I respect it. If I had to answer the same thing,
I would say that I think what's more important. And
this is just PSA, just for people who are listening,
because now there's a whole bunch of quote unquote historians.
I'm salty because there's a lot of people copying my
flow and like it's like, bro, you got.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
That from me and they're not quote. But but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
You know, more important is that I need people to
understand that the most important pov come from the people
who are actually there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I think, like in the midst of like storytelling, Hey,
I thought, I don't care what genre it is, like
we could have our takes and our opinions. Oh, but
this was you weren't there, bro, Like I want to
put that out like you were not there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
So as long as you weren't there, you have to
like keep that in mind and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Regards to your limitations with your understanding of this music,
because this isn't just like facts to be discussed on
the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
It's like these are people's lives, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
So I want to say that in regards to that
being like the fact of one needs to be taken
consideration and what that said. And thank you so much.
This was like a joy. Honestly, this is joy. This
is a vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Thank you. I appreciate the work that you're doing, Gota.
It's hard work, it's typicult work, but it's necessary work.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
And thank you for having me on and for having
my perspective on as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Always wherever I'm at You're welcome and YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Thank you for everything that you do pushing the culture forward,
pushing it forward for black boat equas especially no because
running for everyone black, yes, but also the Afro.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Storytelling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
It deserves its own lane, and I feel like you're
dominating that lane.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
So thank you from the the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
We had that this is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Make sure to listen every week on I heard another one.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Don't move Mihanton.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
This conversation where An was really really dope. I think
there's a lot to unpick, but I really do have
a few points here, so you already know what time
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
It's time for my segment.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
La la la.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Let's get into.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
It, l L.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
There's so much the process first and foremost, because it's
what the convo left off of. Charlie Kirk was a
white supremacist. Bonto finale, it said Glengaso hated black people.
I don't care about the numerous photos he took with
Kombs like Cannice owns. I don't care about the moments
where he didn't seem so bad. I don't care about

(01:13:09):
this ideology that like, oh, we should just treat people good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Regardless of what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Let me tell you something, some of y'all scare me
because I'm convinced that, you know, if this was like
an Antebellum period, some of y'all would be like, oh
my god, they killed those who kept us subjugated. But like,
I'm a Christian, so like I need to forgive because
that's what the Bible says, Rule number one of subjugation. Uh,

(01:13:36):
teach those who are subjugated how to remain subjugated, even
when you know forces aren't even physically keeping them down.
They'll keep themselves down me handing. Come on, I so
long for people to be free from the shackles of
these type of lingerings of white supremacy, me hunting. And

(01:13:59):
that's really all I That's that's really all I have
to add to this. I boldly went on Instagram. I
was like, yo, if you're mourning him, unfollow me. I
lost a thousand followers, but it's okay. If you follow
me from mears, you know that I'm the type of
person that the rest in Kwando. I like doing a
purge on my social media. I know that I can

(01:14:21):
I am a very nice person and that I can
come af as someone that people can be comfortable with,
but that doesn't mean you can be dumb around me.
To be dumb around me is to create a sort
of environment that's not just only dangerous for me, but
people who look like me, people who move like me
aka black women, aka queer black women.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
So like, no, I love a purge.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
To all the thousand, I hope they all get a clue,
because this is not about sympathy empathy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Really, it's really not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Am I saying that the manner of which he died
wasn't tragic. I mean, yeah, all assassinations are traged and
my what I'm trying to say really is that one
plus one equals too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
If you beget violence, guess what you will have.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Somehow, People who aren't speaking in that way are fine, you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Like it's it's kind of like, well, that's that's the
type of game he was playing. And you know, I'm
not recalling in this moment where his last words were. Honestly,
it's irrelevant, but I you know, I will say that
it played a part in the sense of the grander
scheme of things, like in the point of things have consequences,

(01:15:37):
and and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
That's all I got And these are my words.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Take my words for my words, Okay, don't put them
onto anyone else. Don't project these are my words. Hell yeah,
I said this, and I prove this message. I don't
give a damn because black women are over here getting
arrested in what is it Michigan for or snap fraud

(01:16:02):
for buying one thousand dollars worth of bakery groceries and
someone snitching on her when all she was trying to
do was feed herself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
She was making big goods.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I'm talking specifically about this story that just broke this
woman from Detroit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Let me pull this up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Latest Michigan woman misuse food stamps to buy ingredients for
a bake sale and it's not being charged with a
felony in Saganaw Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
I bring this up because this is the most heinous
example I would say in regards to punishing people for
being poor, c K also hated poor people. He hated
poor people, hated black people. A lot of black people
are poor for obviously the legacy in the history of
this country. A lot of poverty is associated with blackness.

(01:16:54):
Although there are a lot of people who are rich
and black, especially in twenty twenty five. This is like
a direct construct of white supremacy, you know, like, how
dare she pull herself by her bootstraps? And if for
this would be considered fraud and a felony, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Everything else that I needed to say, I believe I've
said with the mentioning of the two lynchings, with the
mentionings of this this example, never mind the continuation of
death penalties that are being carried out in Florida, and
all of it is, all of it belongs in the
same ecosystem. And this is an ecosystem that's K supports

(01:17:36):
in the name of violence. So so yeah, do with
that which you will. If you're generally interested in learning more,
hit up my online class.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
But I want to one. And if not, good luck
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
With that said, we hint it might draw we out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Mice gotta so and do you know what time it is?

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