Narrating Nuestros Mundos ft. Eliana Chinea & Melaner

ICE Raids in LA, Making sense of the current political climate, thinking back to Senator Padilla’s arrest with Eliana Chinea. Codigo of the week with Dominicana Artist on the rise Melaner of NYC.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sino freedom and speech is a privilege protected by the
First Amendment, and what a lot of people are learning
in real time is that privilege has to constantly be
fought for.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Let's get into it. Look at Roe v Wade, God, look.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
At all the conversations happening across the country regarding various
civil rights, denaturalization, and now Trump wants to end birthright citizenship.
We better buckle up. It's year one, afford and we
can't afford to despair.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
This is not the type for that. It's time to happen.
With that said, I'm hyph for this week's guest.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Iliana is an amazing journalist, activist, educator, and she's my
girl de la persona.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I love her and I admire her.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Iliana is an La Basebodi equa, speaking truth to power
with her platform, and I'm happy to have lost her.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
In for this week's episode and later.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
The Colleago of the week is with Melaner, an amazing
Domini Ghana artist creative who's Afro Latina, the fine the
odds in the industry, and has advice for the next
black looking to tap into the scene. I'm super excited

(01:33):
because I'm here with likesa if you don't know what
she is and you're sleeping, this girl is an amazing
journal amazing just advocate. It's an amazing educator. I've had
the honor of like collaborating with her in the past.
You know, like she's a badass Barria who just speaks

(01:55):
truth to power. Heleanna, thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Of course, I've always loved talking to you, and you know,
you've become one of my really good friends outside of
social media, so I really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Thank you. Thank you so girl. I know you feel
me when I say that there's a lot going on
in the world, and so yeah, I'm still gonna ask
you how are you doing, because there's a lot going
on in the world I'm dying to know.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah, see ybang.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean, it's it's a crazy time in politics. It's
a crazy time in Los Angeles, where I'm located right now.
You know, when I moved to California, it was I
was excited to be out of like red state zone
and in a much more progressive space. But the thing

(02:52):
that I didn't realize about California is that it's such
a big state and there's so many different political use
here that it's not blue necessarily, like quote unquote, it's
very mixed. It's very purple if you will. And you
could go ten miles down the street and find MAGA,

(03:15):
or you could go five miles the opposite direction and
find lefty progressives. You can find socialists down the block.
You can go and find your centrist liberals up the street. Like,
it really is a huge mixture here. So that was
a very eye opening for me. But of course right now,
two weeks ago, Trump declared a military occupation in the

(03:39):
city of Los Angeles, specifically downtown because of the anti
ice uprisings here, and it's been both revolutionary to watch,
but also.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
We've been getting attacked.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I was tear gassed recently by the LAPD and the
LASD and so it's been it's been interesting. It's definitely felt.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Like a different world.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I'm so sorry, you know, tear Oh, I have lashes on,
and I'm like, if this gets itchy and like I
start crying, I cannot just to make a little joke,
just to make a little joke. I just can't imagine,
you know. I've seen videos people throwing milk, talking about
like it's alkaline going against the scidity I guess of
the of the tear gas and not being relieving. I

(04:27):
am not too well versus if I'm being honest. But the
point is it's horrible. It's horrible, it's you know, it's terrorizing.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
And so kudos to you for like, you know, going
out there, you know, for Henton just doing everything that
you can to be like part of progress. Thank you.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
And yeah, there there is a lot of misinformation when
it comes to like, for instance, a chemical weapons age
like yeah, I yeah, I mean I actually because you
made that joke, actually was wearing lash.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, one of those fun I guess in my eye,
and I'm like the biggest baby. Never mind an actual
chemical agent. Please educate me, what's up?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
No, totally, yeah, no, I was very surprised it.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Actually, I don't know if this is the typical reaction,
because it's called tear gas for a reason, right, it
will make you cry. But I actually my eyes weren't
as affected as my like throat and my lungs were
affected it and I didn't get nearly the worst of
it because I had maneuvered myself out of the way.

(05:39):
So I just got one little cloud and then I
was out of there. But even that little cloud, like
you literally cannot breathe and your body has a very
physical reaction to it.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
But yeah, my lashes were fine.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
For anybody who's like, I can't wear lashes, out of
wear your lashes.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
As well as y'all say no, I appreciate this because
it's like that I wouldn't know, but like this is crazy,
okay me, and you can only like chop it up,
So I'm gonna stick to them. Otherwise we're gonna go
around the world. And I love it. I love it,

(06:20):
and tonsor today there's a broad conversation about the complacency
of white messy so latinos regarding issues that have affected
the black community for years, you know, in the role
in that. What's your take?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, you know, it's it's interesting, so as somebody
who is brown, who has ancestry that is very very
indigenous African, you know, Elgaima always has an interesting relationship
to race. If you want, you and I have had yes,
So you and I have had many conversations about that,

(06:58):
and you know it's you know, this moment in time
I will say this, this moment in time has felt
very much like a solidarity effort. I know that there
are people online that have, you know, made claims that
the black community isn't supportive of this moment. That you know,

(07:19):
because eight percent of Latinos quote unquote Latinos, which is
not a race, so we need to flag that. But
eight percent of Latino's voted MAGA, and so it's our fault, and.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
You know, Latinos don't care.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
That's as somebody who's on the ground, who has constant
conversations with people both online and in person, That's not
what I am seeing.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
That's not what I'm experiencing.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
And one of the things that I really want to
stress is that immigrants are also not a race. Immigrants
come from all over the world, and the immigrants that
are the most susceptible to ice violence are black and
brown Latinos, but also immigrants from across the world. And
I always try to bring attention to the fact that

(08:07):
our Caribbean siblings in it and Haiti and in Cuba
just had their temporary protected status removed and so they
are very very vulnerable to ice raids right now, and
we have a Haitian population, a large Haitian population in California,
specifically in Los Angeles and San Diego. I actually did

(08:29):
a story about this for the San Diego Voice and Viewpoint,
which is a historically black owned newspaper, about the Haitian
population and how they were trying to prepare for this
moment in time, way back in December. And so I
really want to stress that, yes, anti blackness is a
thing that happens. It's something that we are constantly battling

(08:53):
every single day. If you do not have the black experience,
you have a lot to learn.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
I have a lot to learn.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
But there's also so much solidarity in this moment, and
the community is banding together to protect all migrants, not
just Mexicans, not just brown and white Latinos. They're banding
together for their Haitian siblings, for their Cuban siblings, and
it's it's actually a really, really beautiful moment. So you know,
I can't speak to, you know, anybody's personal views, but

(09:22):
I can speak to what I see, and what I
see is really beautiful.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Right up. Shout out to Janelle Martinez, who I've also
interviewed and she's on the pod and she actually said
the same. She's like, you know, like it's it's a
lie pretty much. And there's levels to this, right, because
it's like there's no way and you know this, you
acknowledge it. I'm not I'm not taking away from I'm

(09:49):
adding right for those who are listening, that we can
never ever, ever ever or we should never subscribe to revision.
It is history, right, and it's historian here historically, like
sure there has been solidarity and also historically, and I
think this is also what I've been paying very close

(10:10):
attention to because a lot of people are acting like
you know, it's a question that you post in the beginning,
like black people aren't showing support, and like the people
don't understand like a lot of the freedoms that we
have are because of black people. If first of all
black people in this moment, whatever break they want to take,
valid whatever, you know what I mean, because there's enough
people who are physically involved. There's there's different ways to protest,

(10:34):
there's different ways to be helpful. Everyone don't need to
be outside, so and you know there's people online doing
that thing in person whatever I need. But one thing
I've been paying attentions to to get concise here, because
I know it's a there's a revisionist history, I would
say initiative that's like going about right now where people

(10:56):
are like, oh, if I even saw this question by
like a prominent Latina entrepreneur, she was like, if latinos
said that we're not going to protest during the Black
Lives Matter protests of George Floyd's murder.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
What would y'all be saying. I'm like, first of all, y'all,
y'all did it. I wrote an article, bro like, I
wrote an as plot because I felt crazy. I was like,
I was scrolling on Instagram. I saw I won't say
his name, jet Ski.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I saw another one literally at the Strip club, and
then everybody else was protesting. I'm like, so, there's no
protests where y'all are. And I was like, y'all are
in Miami. There's no protests in Miami. There's not a
protests in Miami. So but you know, to get to
the point here, I feel like there's like a lot
of revisionist nonsense that's going on where like people are like, oh,
but what if we did it? I'm like, this is
a time for you know, psa for white Latinos who

(11:51):
are listening, who swearing not part of the problem. Look
in the mirror, because if you're only starting getting bobbed now,
you've been part of a problem. You know, like it's
giving people have been calling things out and that's when
people like me are called dramatica you know, like intensa.
I don't know which one I like more m put

(12:12):
on a T shirt but coming soon, but like you
feel me. It's like for years, I'm like, so, speaking
as an educated leader of sours, what words do you
have for people who are trying to turn that page right?

(12:33):
Like they're people like okay, you know what, I haven't
been doing enough, but I want to you know, like,
what words do you have for them?

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:43):
I think this is a good moment to start getting creative.
I think that's what LA the community here has really
shown the rest of the nation is how to get
creative when you are feeling like you want to help
to either tect people or be there for people, be supportive.
But again, maybe you're not able bodied and you can't

(13:06):
go to physically go to a protest. It is it
is a dangerous environment. I'm not gonna lie. It's been
increasingly dangerous as the days have passed, and not everybody
is able to do that. You know, sometimes people want
to bring their families and their kids, and you know,
they have to know the risks of that now because
it's not like how it used to be. You used
to be able to just bring your whole family to

(13:29):
a protest and you would be completely fine. You know,
the cops would stay in the outer edges of the corners.
Sometimes the cops would even escort the front of the line.
That's not the case anymore. The cops are being increasingly violent,
and so a lot of people are questioning what do
I do?

Speaker 5 (13:45):
What can I do?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
And I think it's a really good time to start
being creative and follow grassroots movements organizations that are you know,
really working heavily within communities, who could either use donations
or use supplies, or you can start a group chat.
Safety group chats are really popular right now, specifically on
signal where if somebody needs support, for instance, if you

(14:09):
are a lawyer, if you are a nurse, if you
are a doctor, you know, we there are lots of
people who are on the ground who could utilize your services.
You know, if you want to provide them pro bono,
for instance, where you don't have to be on the ground,
but you can provide support as much as possible. And
you know, there's a lot of different creative ways. I

(14:31):
went to UH I was asked to speak out a
panel last night for filmmakers, so not press, but filmmakers
who weren't really sure how to show up in this moment,
like how do I document this in a way that's
actually going to serve the community and not sensationalize things.
And I thought that was great. I thought that was
a really beautiful conversation to have about, you know, how

(14:54):
can we show up in this moment in a way
that doesn't continue to perpetuate the lie that everyone's just
violent criminals out here and they just want to start
a riot. So, you know, you have to get creative.
I think artists are really well equipped in this moment
to you know, do art installations in your music, make
sure that your lyrics reflect this moment, and that's a

(15:16):
great way of not only protesting but also showing solidarity.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'm so glad you brought up this concept of criminality.
I actually did a video the other day because oh
my god, and I'll let you chime in on this.
For those of y'all who are interested, just just please
watch the video. Depends on my answer in TikTok, but
it's in essence. I got frustrated because and I even,
you know, not to throw my mom unto the bus,
but I had to sit her down in the sala

(15:42):
and put Netflix on and put on thirteenth and have
her watch it from beginning to end. And I put
it in Spanish so her Dominican boyfriend could watch it too.
And I was like, you guys are not gonna use
this term criminal? Are the linguente anymore in this house?
Like I can't, because you know, how do you define
a criminal? You know? And so I'm super glad you
brought that up, because Latinos, this is, you know, part

(16:07):
of the larger you know, reason as to why there's
been such a disconnect between the Latino community in the
black community, because there's this idea of like good and bad, right,
And what a lot of people aren't digesting is like,
what are these superficial determining factors are essentially what keeps

(16:28):
the system in place to like keep all of us
oppressed and by us, like perpetuating these concepts of criminality
and criminal that Mariante, it doesn't do any of us
any good, So thank you so much for that. And
and yes, Mihanta, I will shout out thirteenth any chance
I can because it's so informative. And you know, I

(16:50):
want to get into Senator Badiga, right, because I feel
like there's levels of being arrested.

Speaker 8 (16:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Being arrested, you know, can be like I'm removing you
from an area to put you in another area because
I simply want to physically remove you. Right, There's there's
that aspect of things that could also be like I
want to put you into the system, and I know
you're vulnerable, right, And in this case, he's a senator,
you know. So oh my goodness, Eleanna is saying the things.

(17:19):
We'll be right back more with her interview after these messages.

(18:12):
There's there's the aspect of silencing that was going on
here because he was at a press conference, right, So
I mean, and these type of instances they're becoming more
and more frequent, right, I don't know. I would just
love to hear your take on this, because you know,
like freedom of speeches is under attack, you know, on

(18:33):
on an increasingly frightening basis, and we can't stop. You know,
it is getting scarier, you know, so I would love
to hear your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, what happened to Sada was like really egregious, and
I think it really goes to show just how authoritarian
this regime really has become. I mean, it really is
becoming a regime. It's no longer you know, let's make
fun of MAGA as a cult. It's like, now they

(19:06):
have the power and they're enacting that power, and they're
abusing that power even against other politicians.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
And one of.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
The things that I noticed right before he started asking
questions of Gnome is that she had said, maybe about
a minute before he interrupted her, she literally said we
are here in Los Angeles. She meant, we are here
to liberate the city.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
From the socialists.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
That is a very specific type of rhetoric. And that
is why he decided to step in, because he had
been listening the whole time.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
He was already in the room.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
You know, it's not like he barged in the room
and just tried to storm her desk or whatever the podium.
He had been listening and what he heard was crazy.
It was banana, and so I think, you know his
detainment it technically it's a detainment. It was an attempted arrest,

(20:08):
but they didn't, you know, technically arrest him. They did
put handcuffs on him, which means he's being detained, but
it's an illegal detainment at the same time, because I've
watched a lot of lawyers break down that moment, and
almost all of them say, not only did he ask
why they were doing what they were doing, not a
single officer who attempted this arrest provided any sort of

(20:31):
information as to what they were doing or why they
were doing it. And in fact, he later said, actually
last night when he was speaking on the house floor,
he literally said, like, I was escorted into that room,
so I had a right to be there. It's again,
he didn't barge into the room. He didn't even know

(20:51):
the conference was happening until they escorted him into it.
And so the fact that that was that in me
idiate response just goes to show you not only the
regime's rhetoric, but it also goes to show just how
willing law enforcement is in this moment to be a

(21:14):
tool and be weaponized against other political leaders. And that
is what scares everybody about dictitorships and authoritarianism.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Because that's what makes it dangerous.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
It's not just the words of the politician, it's not
just the words of the people who support it. It's
the fact that they are able to abuse power and
authority in.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Order to enact those words into action.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
And so that's what we were all seeing. And after
that happened, it circulated throughout LA and the community, and
people went back to the federal building and protested. And
another thing that I want to say as well, is
that by the is is a Democrat. You know, he

(22:02):
identifies with that party. There are Democrats in the city,
right The mayor and the governor are both Democrats. But
they have also weaponized authority and law enforcement against protesters,
just as much as the Trump regime is weaponizing the

(22:23):
military against us. So I think that needs to be
really clear for people, is that LA is under occupation
and under attack from both parties. And of course the
Democrats will say all the nice things and say, no, no, no,
we're just trying to keep the peace. No, no, no,
We're just trying to get a few of the you know,
violent writers out of the way. The instigators, the agitators.

(22:46):
They'll say all the things to distract from the fact
that no, you are giving the LAPD and the LASD
very specific orders because you don't want the military to
take action, and so you want to embolden the police
to be even more aggressive so that the Marines don't

(23:07):
start shooting people.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
That's really the rhetoric here.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
So we're getting attacked both from the Republicans and the Democrats,
really because every protest that I have been to has
been peaceful, It has been fine. It's not until the
police get involved that everything becomes extremely dangerous. So yeah,
I mean, I think Padiya, you know, tried to do

(23:32):
the right thing, but I think he also needs to
call out other Democratic leaders, specifically in Los Angeles, because
this is setting a precedent for the rest of the country.
Now we're seeing things out of New York, the NYPD
kind of giving LAPD a run for their money in
terms of violence. Right, So it's it's a very very

(23:53):
interesting time. But I think if we are going to
call the Democrats the opposition party are not opposing much.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Oh yeah, thank you, ah, thank you. I wouldn't change
a word or anything. Jesus Christ, like you it's a
nail on the head. I've been frustrated. If I'm be
honest with you, because I'm not an influencer. If I was,
i'd be rich right now. I would be with all
the I have, with all the like partnerships have had, like,
i'd be super rich. For now, I'm not there yet.

(24:24):
I'm a historian, i am a journalist for all intensive purposes,
and I'm a producer, and i am a multimedia artist.
And I only say this. I'm not shitting on influencers.
Y'all got money. I want money like I need to
get like y'all in that sense, but in the sense
of spreading awareness. Men don't speak am but because there's

(24:47):
no understanding, no respect nor regard for journalistic integrity. And
I don't play about that. When you open your mouth
into a mic, it is a privilege, and especially for
people to pay attention to you, to learn from you,
and then to repeat the rhetoric that you are then
you know starting it's it's such a privilege. I got

(25:07):
a degree, y'all. Like, this is not gonna get vibes online.
So with that said, you know this, we're during it.
We're in a time where spreading information is of the essence.
You know, you know just as well as me that
the journalistic landscape has shifted so much from one moment
to the next. Everyone's fired. I feel like I don't

(25:28):
have friends in certain publications where I used to have them.
I don't know what email anymore. A lot of my
pitches are thrown down because they're just a little bit
too much to the left. You know, there's a there's
a heavy wave of conservativeness. So my direct question here
is what is your if you had to tell people

(25:50):
something in regard to like taking this whole having a
mic seriously because tangibly work. I'm even getting this from.
Is there's an increase okay that's growing online because there's
people like these people are not saying anything, and there's
layers to that. And then there's also like, you know,

(26:12):
people who made being a performative activist their whole personality,
but now that things are hard, it's silence. You know.
I would just love to hear your take on this,
and like, you know, I advice because there are people
who I don't think that they grasp the severity of
their words when they were speaking to certain topics, but

(26:34):
now that the reality and you know, online is matching.
They're like, oh my god, I'm in the middle of
something political. What would you say to those people who
are like, Okay, I want to do right. I'm scared.
You know, I would love to hear your take.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
I actually you know, the few influencers that I still follow,
I've actually seen them struggle with this, and they've been
very vocal. I think the first part is to just
be authentic about why you're struggling with this moment in time.
And I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
Of course, you're going to get people who say, you know,
this shouldn't be a struggle.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
You know, you should know what to do, you should
know what to say.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Everyone's going to have an opinion. It is what it is.
But I think not being honest about, you know, the struggle,
I think that is what causes people to feel like
you're being an authentic or everything that you've done in
the past has been performative, and so you know, if
you really truly do not care about this moment, can't relate,

(27:36):
you know, can't relate. I don't know what that type
level of privilege is like. So congratulations I guess, But
if you are genuinely like I want to do something,
I want to say something, but you know I'm scared
or I'm conflicted, I think it's a really important time

(27:58):
to just really start getting out there and talking to community.
Once you start hearing people's authentic stories and where they're
coming from and how this moment in time is affecting them,
I think you'll start to get a little fire under
your butt.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
And for me, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
People always ask me like how you're so brave for
going out to these protests, and you're so brave for
you know, for me, it's like this is this is life,
you know, It's it doesn't feel like bravery for me.
It feels like this is a moment to document, this
is history. And you know, if if a mother can

(28:36):
go out with her child and exercise her First Amendment right,
why would I stay home for that?

Speaker 5 (28:42):
You know? If they feel like this is.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
An important moment to be out there, why do I
feel like it's it's okay for me to stay home
and just be okay with their struggle. So I think
it's a it's a moment of reflection for a lot
of people. But you know, I have a lot to
say about influence because I have friends who are influencers,
and the friends that I have been able to keep

(29:05):
that are within that world are the ones who don't
necessarily subscribe to the capitalistic nature of you have to
censor yourself in order to keep your bag, and that
for me is really important to follow people who yes,
might you know get their sponsor deals and like have
their ads or whatever, but they're also being very relatable

(29:31):
in this moment of look, shit's crazy, we need to
talk about this, here's what's going on. And those are
the people that you know, audiences trust, and those are
the people I trust. So if capitalism has dug its
heels into your wallet so far to where you are
censoring yourself, I think you need to find a different path.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Going into not for nothing, just for the sake of time,
because this is what I get podcast. I'm dying to
know as Abara, what's your take on the fact that
Bad Bunny skipped the US. I thought Pasha was gangster.

(30:17):
What does your take go off? Please?

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I know I saw a lot of the commentary on that.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
You know I have.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
I have a complicated relationship with bad money. Everyone knows
this It's not a popular take, you know. I think
in terms of bad Bunny, I think I love that
he continuously stands on business when it comes to.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Our island, like he has not wavered.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
He is very committed to showing not only our struggle
but our joy. He is committed to making a political
you know, commentary out of his art and his lyrics,
and I think that is why people really really like him.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Of course, there are other things that I disagree with.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
But when that was announced, like his toy was announced
in the United States, was nowhere in it. I, like
everyone else was like baller, baller move But then I
saw Spain in there.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Wait plus plus, I've never thought I'd do this in
my life, but I'm gonna I'm gonna defend Spain real quick.
Spain been doing the teens as far as Palestine is concerned.
I am sorry, but like I might that I might
turn into one of them. Not you know who used
to go get their Spanish passport because if I know that,
But Spain has been doing the things. So the point

(31:41):
I've been like, well, yeah, like, and they have been
setting an example in Europe, So I don't know. Easy,
y'all straight, right, now for just right now, because they've
been doing they've been doing the things like in comparison
to how we're doing right now, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
I feel you. I totally fail you.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
They have been very very good at you know, calling
a genocide a genocide, talking about the liberation of Palestine.
They have been good about that. And in memo, it
wasn't that long ago that the Prince of Spain went
to Puerto Rico and for Columbus Day to celebrate, to

(32:21):
celebrate the one hundred and twenty five years of colonization.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
So you know, let's not let's not let's not.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Oh my god, and Spain still owes all of Latin
America absolutely, so there's that.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
But you know, it is what it is. It is
what it is. It is what it is.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
But I thought I thought it was a good, solid move.
And that's what I mean by you. If you're an artist,
now is the time to get creative. He didn't make
an announcement about that, he didn't say I'm not gonna
go to the US because he just like, That's.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
What I commented for Variety because they were like, so
why did you why did you us? He was like,
it's unnecessary. So that was that was I dig it
like everybody knows that I keep my spot on his
neck a little bit. It's I just want to see

(33:19):
black people, that's all. But but you know, like I
don't give that man his flowers, do so by bunny,
you know, good ship like I love it.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
It's a solid man.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, okay, and so and oh a lovely note to
end the sun. So for those listening really quick, you
know that I lecture. I go to different universities. We
talk about the parallels of marginalization through diaspora and through

(33:54):
people of color, and so I've been able to connect
through a lot of my lectures the parallels between Yes,
Puerto Rico and Palestine and the systems that you know
are interconnected here in the United States, you know, oppression
is interconnected. And it's funny. I made a TikTok on
it was It's very different from a lecture where you

(34:14):
can give contexts and people have to hear you out
and just talk and they just listen versus ninety seconds
on the TikTok's very different pedo. Nonetheless, I tried and
I think I landed. I'm gonna try it again. But
my point is as a body, go yourself. I would
just love to hear I would love for people to

(34:34):
hear it from you from a natural bodiqu like parallel,
because some people are like that, are you serious, per Palestina,
and I'm like, yes, Palestina, who else Eliana?

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's this is a super important topic,
and I really plan on visiting a lot of the
community that has been on the front lines there. You know,
people need to be aware that there are Boudrigua barristinos

(35:10):
right like, these people exist, and the parallels between colonization
and military occupation in Palestine and how that relates to
Puerto Rico. You know, I think having Palestinian friends and
conversing with them, they know what occupation looks like, and

(35:32):
they when they look at Puerto Rico, in the situation
in Puerto Rico, they're like, oh, you guys know the struggle.
You guys know what we're going through, because that's what
you're going through. You guys constantly have power outages. They
cut our power all the time. You guys don't have
access to clean water. We don't have access to clean
water either. You guys have a corrupt educational system.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
We know what that's like.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
So you know these parallels even though we don't have
you know, check points. You know, the US military isn't
doing checkpoints on the island. They're not checking your IDs
if you want to go from adis Evil to San Juan,
you know, like they're not doing that. But it's a
different level of occupation. It's an economic occupation, it's a
systemic occupation, and this is something that's very relatable to Bardestinos.

(36:20):
And so the solidarity is very, very very strong, and
I feel I feel like it's not it wasn't that
long ago before we did. The island did have a
military occupation, in a very strong military presence. Now there's
been some indocrination, of course, like the military loves to

(36:40):
recruit Bodigua's on the island, and there are a lot
of Puerto Ricanos in the US military and the Marines
and the air Force. So we just have to acknowledge
that this is an unfortunate reality of colonization, is that
you get indoctrinated and assimilated.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Into your oppressive system.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
And so those are conversations that I know my family
is constantly having. I know other people's families are having
but you know, the solidarity between Palestine Is is very strong,
and I'm grateful that Bodiquas have not subscribed to the
Zionis propaganda.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Absolutely. Another might drop Aniana, is there anything I haven't
asked you or something you want to comment on that
I haven't asked you? Thanks you want to say.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
You know, just to kind of reiterate the point is
that this moment in time should have we should have
had to wake up call a long time ago. But
I think now that we're in the thick of it,
in the thick of this regime, a lot of people
are panicking and a lot of people are scared, and
so I think, you know, as much as you might

(37:53):
want to give into your fear, I think this is
the time to get courageous and keep pushing forward. Because
the revolutions of the past, whether it's been an I
or whether it's been in the in the United States,
there have been multiple revolutions over time that have happened

(38:15):
even when violence has been the first reaction by the system,
and we have been able to get through as a
human society. All across the world, people have been able
to get through these times. It collectively and in solidary.
So now it's not a time to sit back. Now
is the time to keep pushing forward.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I think that's a lovely not to end this on.
God knows how many dms I get per day. Where
did you see what Donald Trump did? I'm like, yes, babe,
I see it right there with you. And so no
lovely not to end us on this is anything new?

(38:58):
History is repeating? Sadly, I don't think there's anything new.
I think there are evolutions of things, and so what
we're seeing is just like the contemporary version of something
that has happened in the past. And so thank you
so much for those words and for being here me Hans,
make sure to follows everywhere shore all the love. Tell

(39:20):
her I sent you hand all the time that we
have for her and me hands like you know what
time it is, It's time for some la la la. Oh,
my goodness, speaking with Eleana with such a treat because

(39:40):
she's a girl who gets it. The girls who get
it get it. And I mean shout out again to
her for all of her work and everything that.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
She does to pad the.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Persona. All right, there's so many things to chop on.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
What's nice is that you know, she spoke so clearly
and that it was just super easy to really take
in what she was saying. But just to reiterate me hinte, Yes,
this is not the time to despair. I super get it.
We turn on the news every day it's something Diddy
gets off or quitted. It's like there's no hope at anything. Trump.

(40:19):
It's like he opens a book, he puts his finger
on a page, there's an idea, he opens his eyes.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
He's like, that's what we're rolling with today. He's on
a roll and it's exhausting.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
Now this.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Not to mention formulations, not to mention everything else, and
it's super easy to get wrapped up. But at the
end of the day, you know we're going to get
through it the way that we have throughout history, by
getting through it, by taking it one piece at a time.
With that said, super sticking to what Ileana said in
regards to Ice in their occupation of La Yes, that's

(40:55):
the terminology that ought to be used me hint in
regards to it being an actual occupation, because it is
what else would you call it? When the National Guard
shows up and they won't leave, that's literally what that is.
The Marine's walking around and so yeah, it starts in
one state, it'll spread to various others. Mehantemka said Bendienes,

(41:20):
and just pretty much just watch out for each other.
It's been really nice to see people engage in the
arresting tactics. If you're not hip on what to do,
I implore you to check in with your local community members,
your local activists, and keep your phones at home while
you're tapping into a lot of these workshops and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And the last thing I'll say that I feel like is.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Helpful here is Mehante Mihanta lad you said in Jala voice.
I feel like, you know, just reiterating from the conversation,
we ought to be really thinking about this word criminal
and really be thinking about what it really means for
us to have quote unquote black and brown solidarity.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
What does that even mean? I feel like not for nothing.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Being Latina black and brown solidarity to me honestly makes
me laugh in regards to like it's it at first glance.
It's something that has existed over time, and the laughing
is not because of its foundational but pretty much what
has been turned into as a conversation online. I want

(42:35):
people like PSA to understand that just because you're becoming
hips to something online doesn't mean that it's new. I
feel like there needs to be a larger dialogue in
regards to, you know, what efforts have been made between
black and latinal people throughout the course of time. Because again,

(42:56):
if you're going to take away anything from this episode,
from this conversation, from this podcast ready, is that all
of our privileges are things that are fought and earned.
People bloed and sweat for the privileges that.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
We enjoyed today.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
And so you know, I feel like in real time,
a lot of people are quickly learning as to like
how hard these things were fought for and what it
means for us to have them in the first place
and to enjoy them. You see me handed, It was
just a serious conversation. So I'm trying to keep this
on a sterious tone. I feel like I'm which I
fought out the like aloid and we will take it

(43:32):
to a letter, not with what is coming up next,
but la la la, this is what I got.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Me hanted take it and leave it, but I do
hope you take it.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
That was a mouthful me hand that we'll be back
with some goldigos. Right after these messages.

Speaker 9 (44:27):
Super lacos, commarnos, Yeah, pendo no.

Speaker 10 (44:33):
Baby saylevant you who say I'm sicking.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Tired of the gamest baby you play cause the yeah
what I mean hands for man the codico of the
week right here when melaner it's gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Let's get into it, like.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Like me, like, I just I can't any I love
it so much, you're kiddo.

Speaker 8 (45:05):
Sorry quite Someone at him goes down a thorium.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Like, go on, I.

Speaker 10 (45:13):
Okay, we're not.

Speaker 9 (45:16):
Yo an if said, then do that and can lata
and move win though you said you'll see him.

Speaker 10 (45:27):
Blow okay, not get it bad, get okay.

Speaker 9 (45:30):
I set down in the musicaea, So I was like,
and then I go do like bane you don't when
you gana man if you say you're gonna said musica
and they're like, what, no, You're gonna.

Speaker 10 (45:39):
Be a doctor. So we finally seem prim polio.

Speaker 9 (45:42):
See in fact that like un if you do that
call a musical or even financially, you know, cause music
is very expensive to be able to pay for all
that stuff.

Speaker 10 (45:50):
And I've been able to kind of like have them.

Speaker 8 (45:53):
To help me.

Speaker 10 (45:54):
Yeah, and call them, which I feel very proud.

Speaker 11 (45:56):
Of because not everybody has that, well, Grandpa, so I
might be talking spangage, so no, and I'm honestly.

Speaker 10 (46:07):
How am I trying to bust out my Spanish speaking chops?
If you're gonna be but you.

Speaker 12 (46:11):
Gotta lingo on this bitch, I don't matter how in
which case you told me.

Speaker 8 (46:16):
About one cheet corone And I would love to know.

Speaker 10 (46:19):
An example of how you put yourself on.

Speaker 9 (46:22):
Yeah, to be how I put myself on is literally
not being afraid to do sh do things by myself
because a lot of people like d wanna get approval
or get you know, okay, you can do this. No,
if I wanna do something, I'm gonna If I know
this person is gonna be at this event and I
wanna meet them, I'm gonna show up. And you know,
I'm putting myself on because now everybody's gonna open.

Speaker 10 (46:44):
The door for me, So I'm gonna try and open
the door for myself.

Speaker 9 (46:47):
And especially being you know, uh a Latina of color,
it's already a little harder for us. So not only
do we have to battle with being latinas being a woman,
but then also being a woman of color.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
So we have three things against us. So a lot
of people don't open the door the same way for us.
So sometimes you just gotta open it for ourselves.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
That feeling.

Speaker 10 (47:06):
Definitely you're saying off color, but I'm like, girl, give
me black yea.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
We are yeah, no, but I feel you because I
feel not. It's like what you're getting at is showing up.
You show up for yourself and you make sure that
at the very least you were at the if nothing,
if everything else feels, at least you were at the location,
unless you were at Via Bland.

Speaker 10 (47:27):
At least you show up and make sure that all right,
you know, this is gonna be happening there in the room.
I'm gonna be in the room. Yeah, I love them.

Speaker 9 (47:33):
You're trying because the worst thing is to have like Wow,
what would happen if I would have tried?

Speaker 10 (47:40):
Definitely, definitely, And it's not always easy.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
It's something that you know requires much investigation, Like you
gotta be very really handy thing of like what's going on?
How things move?

Speaker 10 (47:52):
Yeah, what's our process has been like for me?

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Like learning? You know what that even means?

Speaker 9 (47:58):
You know, it's it's just been a day by day process,
to be honest, because you you never really know what
to expect in each scenario, you know. So it's really
just having enough faith in myself and having enough faith
in my talent and what I have to offer, and
and hoping that, you know, I can pitch myself well

(48:19):
enough for somebody to either want.

Speaker 10 (48:20):
To work with me or want to listen to what
I have to say.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
Yeah, that's why. That's why a Dominican.

Speaker 10 (48:28):
Yogu yosa, because you know how Dominicans be my pros.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
Oh, I love Dominicans.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
I love them.

Speaker 10 (48:35):
Republic talking about.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Your Dominiqueanilan and how that influences these cheat codes working
in Wholesalemnicano defener anything.

Speaker 10 (48:44):
Hostelicano defer. I would love to know how that influences that.

Speaker 9 (48:50):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean again, the little minianel that
month to get out here, little Miniquano in our blood.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
We don't but don't know.

Speaker 9 (48:59):
It's it's a part of my identity. So I'm huge
on Miko Tura. And although I'm a you know, I'm
American because I was born here, first generation, but I'm
very proud of my roots and it's incredibly part of.

Speaker 10 (49:12):
My family and everything just they did to get here.

Speaker 9 (49:16):
So it's influenced me because I want to put on
my fellow other Latinas that our first generation and are
kind of figuring it out on our own because we
didn't have We were born here, you know, our families
were born in in la Isla and we were born here,
so we're kind of we're the first generation to figure
it out. And then our kids are aready gonna haven't
figured out cause we we.

Speaker 10 (49:35):
Did it for them, you know, we swapped for them.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (49:38):
Yeah, So I want to be able to just kind
of open more throughs for Latinas.

Speaker 9 (49:41):
That felt like me because you know, I felt like
I had to f i't really have somebody to look
up to in that sense, you know, cause being a
first generation, there's a lot of pressure on us to
just be successful.

Speaker 8 (49:54):
That's why as I'm a.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Huge fan of course, so I already know that Manor
is an artists are creative, and her primary passion is music.
For those who don't know are still getting to know
you and who are about to love you, tells me
about your passion.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
What does it mean for you to create, you know,
music and what does that mean for you to kind.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Of now I get that music industry, cause I'll not okay,
but I say, look, I'll still love the manmals right.

Speaker 10 (50:21):
Yup, what is that for you?

Speaker 9 (50:25):
So creating music is is for me is far more
than just a passion. So at like I've had it
in my blood since I was like four years old,
and y I never it's never a job. It's more
like missally thing. And even when I look back at
me as a child, I I always had that. I
I I always had it in me. So when I

(50:47):
create music, I go into whatever, you know, a session
or whatever, with a a mind of just creating something
beautiful and not thinking about.

Speaker 10 (50:56):
Oh I have to create something like for this reason
or for this reason, for this reason. You know then
that you kind of close your door. You you put
yourself on a bubble.

Speaker 9 (51:04):
So I go in and I just try to use
of mind that as possible, because at the end of
the day, people are gonna love your music because.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
You love it, and if you don't love it, nobody's
gonna love it.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
You know, hang a highlights for me and ask for
the industry that you think worked very well.

Speaker 10 (51:18):
To be honest, I don't even think I got answer
that because you.

Speaker 9 (51:22):
Know, I'm so focused on just the things that I
want to change in the industry, So I don't even
know what I feel like works because it's always changing
and especially specifically tell me like, yeah, well especially now
with how you know, it's it's just way so competitive music.

Speaker 10 (51:40):
I feel like it's way more competitive than it used
to be.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Is that like the pace? The pace?

Speaker 9 (51:44):
Yes, because now music is accessible to everyone, right, so
you don't have to go into a studio to create
music like you used to, Like anybody can be an
artist now, So it's way it's incredibly more competitive. So
every day is changing, every day something new. So it's
just for me, it's just been a matter of keeping

(52:05):
just staying on track with everything that's happening. But there
I feel like there's way more negatives than positives that
we have to change in the in the especially in
the Latino music industry.

Speaker 10 (52:16):
That's okay, Yes, that's her experience.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Yes, you know what I mean. In which case, okay,
I ain't. I don't want you to give all your
gems away, alright, you said you do want to change
some things. Hanging in an.

Speaker 9 (52:27):
Example, I wanna change how many how many women are
in the room, okay. And and I say that because
when we go to all you know, even a studio session,
you can be the only woman in the room.

Speaker 10 (52:39):
You can be the only songwriter woman.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
And and I'm speaking specifically for Latino, in the Latino community,
the Latin music community.

Speaker 10 (52:46):
I've been in rooms where.

Speaker 9 (52:47):
I'm the only woman, and that's that's it shouldn't be
like that, because you know, having a woman's point of
view in this industry is incredibly important. And I it's
gonna change the conversations that are being had, It's gonna
change how many are represented, even women of color represented,
and then ada market just by including more.

Speaker 10 (53:04):
Of us woman to have to say I hear that completely, Yeah,
you got this.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
But also what's going through my mind is, as we've
you know, established earlier, you are a woman, you are
a La Diana, We're black. The way that systems work,
you know, this period, is to make it a hell
of a lot harder for people who check these boxes.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
So, more than anything, I'm very proud of you for
putting on for yourself and being able to elevate in
the way that you have. Just girl me on.

Speaker 10 (53:38):
Instagram dancing, I'm like, yo, I Heta. I need to
go like get a car around the first something and
start like blant Gano, like Diago No.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
But the physical labor that you put into yourself, like
there's an effort of a genuine love.

Speaker 8 (53:52):
Gasa went and and and like in your music.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
So I'm very happy for that. And my point in
where I'm going in is I also as I'm the
type of person that I love to help people, and
sometimes I'm like, oh, I'll help you later because of
those things that we've highlighted.

Speaker 13 (54:10):
Yeah, it's melanery season. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I want
to see you up first and then yeah, you know, yeah,
because the devironment I'm gonna be there. I'm walking into
every door.

Speaker 10 (54:23):
Yeah, take it.

Speaker 9 (54:24):
I'm running through that door. No, Yeah, it's it's there's
a lot. There's what's great about right now and everything
that both of us are doing is that we're creating
these conversations and they're actually people are actually listening.

Speaker 14 (54:39):
Yeah, people are, People are listening, and people are realizing
how underrepresented, you know, us black Latinas are and you
look at you know, even the women and the top
women in the Latino in Latin music, and a lot
of them don't represent how.

Speaker 10 (54:56):
Latinas actually look.

Speaker 9 (54:58):
You go to our countries and majority of us are
are black, and we're not represented in in the media.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
We don't.

Speaker 9 (55:04):
There's nobody that's looking at the media and feels like, wow,
I could be that, you know, like they feel like
they have to change or they have to look a
certain way in order to fit.

Speaker 10 (55:13):
Yeah, and it's not like that at all.

Speaker 12 (55:15):
Of what really quickly, if you have to drop a
job while that's from color, that's like on like what
is a a cheat code gift younger melaner who's about
to go on its journey a greener road.

Speaker 9 (55:28):
I actually it's every single time doing on live your
life and fear And that is probably the most important
thing that I've ever learned. I have, I have gotten
to and I still have a lot to you know,
get to, but I've gotten to where I'm at at
at least at this point.

Speaker 10 (55:45):
It's because I have not been afraid to hang with
the guys.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
I've not been.

Speaker 10 (55:50):
Afraid to put myself, you know, put myself out there.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
I've not been afraid to introduce myself because this person
is you know, higher up than me. Like I have
been fearless and in a lot of what I'm doing,
and it's worked in my favor because fear.

Speaker 10 (56:07):
Is always in a blackness. It's never gonna allow us.
It never. Fear does not want us to get to
the top.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
So the second that we literally we said what about that,
i'moua go do that.

Speaker 10 (56:19):
You start opening doors for yourself And I have literally
been living that in my life.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I love that.

Speaker 10 (56:25):
I thank it's so much for being here. Thank you.
I left up to my age.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, I have no man, it said goal egos see yea.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
I will not go side and be back with more.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Blapitho. Hearing from one of you right after these messages,
don't move.

Speaker 9 (57:22):
The Hi.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
My name is Jackie Marty. I am the creator of
Latino reggaeton from Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
And hey, thank you Jackie for being here. For those
who are listening, Jackie is a pioneer of sorts and
that she just cultivated a space for latinos in Colorado
of all places. So I'm going to know, like, how

(58:29):
did that even get started? What is reggaeton like in Colorado?
What's the story of Latin taio? That's three questions. How
did you get started?

Speaker 9 (58:40):
Well?

Speaker 6 (58:40):
I got started. Well, it was all an idea came
to me while we were in lockdown during COVID.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
And I.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
It was for well, I've always loved reggaeton since I
think since I was seven years old, since I heard
of Serral in nineteen ninety five on my TV. But
I fell in love and so that's how it started.
And then during COVID, I got this idea because we
had nothing to do, so I got this idea to
do a Bad Bunny Night because there there was a

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lot of gentrification in my neighborhood where I had grown
up and I was like, oh my gosh, I just
want to like so let me take it of And
so that happened. During COVID, I got the idea and
then I waited until the mask mandate was over and
I threw the party. I did a Bad Bunny Night
and that was the first thing, the first party I
ever did.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I love that. What is a Bad Bunny Night? I
like to see that, like the popping up all over
the country, like what does that mean?

Speaker 6 (59:40):
So it's basically that's the theme is Bad Bunny and
his music. So the entire night revolves is centered around
Bad Bunny's music. That's that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Oh my god, as a DJ, I can't imagine.

Speaker 10 (59:55):
But who love it?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Love it? I don't discovering it. I think that's super dope. Jakie,
talk to me about la Where does the name come from? Specific?
And I love that like Latrino.

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
So the story behind it, it's my my family. They
immigrated from Mexico. Uh he to Denver. Mia came first
and he was in the Rossero program in the nineteen
fifties and he came to Denver in the late nineteen
sixties early seventies. And so he was a dishwasher in

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the North Side. That's a neighborhood where we grew up
in Denver. And so the the restaurant that he was
a dishwasher in was next to a theater called Holiday
Inn and is located on thirty second Avenue. And so
growing up, he would always be like, oh, you know titles, titles,

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Like everything was Latin titles. It was like a hub
for latinos. There were like restaurants, there were like city stores,
like cassette stories that you remember, and so there was
like a lot of culture. We would be cruising Man's
would be cruising on and laterin titles. So there was
a lot, it was a Latino, it's a Latino. It

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was a Latino neighborhood. Now it's gentrified, so that's where
it comes from.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I love that. That's like so homie. So when daring, Like,
I love that the grandparents are like involved, Like I
love that. That's so that's so beautiful and so thoughtful.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
That really speaks to you, Like that's that's so nice
and so yeah, not because this is what I get
on podcasts. So I'm dyed and know you know, who
are you listening to? You're a curator, you carry a
whole night, like and for those listening like every night

(01:02:10):
it's not bad bunny night, this girl switches it up.
I feel like every time I go on Instagram, it's
like what she got going on?

Speaker 12 (01:02:17):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
Something else?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
So like I'm dying to know, like who do you
listen to? Like on a personal note, like which are
the artists that got your attention?

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Besides that, I listen to religiously almost every day. I
listened to Mad Courts a lot. I love a Mad
Courts and I love his album Musa is Cheff's Kiss.
I loved it, so I listened to him. I also
love the roles. I really like her, so I love

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he's my favorite. But but yeah, my courts is definitely
on there. I love him, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Who's gonna be on a song like it's Jackie's song,
it's Jackie's credit direction, and you can pick who the
artists are gonna be, like to collab, who would it
be dead or alive?

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
Because I'm very old school, I mean since the nineties.
So oh that's a hard one. Well, I'm gonna go
with my favorites. I would go with though, No, Maddie,
we've seen he ended.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Okay, and you would see them on a song together.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Yeah, they've done. They've done the yes my face, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I would okay, Oh she knows her Okay, okay, go.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Ahead, two point Yeah, they're just like yeah, now it
would be like about to talk.

Speaker 12 (01:03:45):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
They're just my all time favorites, always my number ones. Yeah,
I don't love I love.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
It same apparently I like love we singing there to
the point where every year from my Spotify rap, they're
like my number.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
One lis okay yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
And so Jackie, you're Aparmahicana in Denver, Colorado. There's a
lot going on right now. Would you want to comment
on anything that's going on right now?

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
Uh, let's see. Yes, I'm obviously on the whole apologize.
So I don't agree with what they're doing, and I
just absolutely detest the violence against our community. And they've

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only been around, I mean they were you know, they've
only been around for twenty two years, so we can
definitely abolish them. We don't need them. You know, we
were fine without them for two hundred years.

Speaker 9 (01:04:56):
There.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
It's really they're really unnecessary. It's just a necessary violence
and chaos that they create, and how they terrorize our
communities all immigrants terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 12 (01:05:09):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Y'all heard it like they've only been existing for twenty
two years. Heavy on that part because exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
Yeah, it's like whatever we don't need, they're very disposable, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Absolutely, Oh my gosh. And so my last question is,
considering all that's going on in culture right now, what
do you want to see more of as a fan
of reggaeton and what do you want to go away
like as a fan of Regaton.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
Hmmm, I would love to see more women in general.
Just mass moukredis dominating the scene, as artists, as you know, creators,
as you know, event organizers, promoters. I just want to
see more women in the business. I think that's very important.
I think I'm like the only girl doing what I'm

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doing in Denver, So it'd be so nice just to
have other women you know, around me also making the calls,
owning the event spaces, just having more power and more
of us say in the industry, Like I would love
to see our point of view out there a lot

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more because the way that like that we go about,
you know, organizing events is completely different than men. It's
just extremely different everything everything we do. It's like the
polar opposite of how we do it compare to men.
So I'd just love to see more women. That'd be

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so nice, Jackie, thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Happy men. Make sure to follow or you'll tell them Jackie.
Where can people follow you?

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
You can follow me on Instagram and Facebook and TikTok at.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Hey and we go for a happy little today. See
you next time at the Approxima.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
NIKOA so soon you know what time it is, It's
time for the Flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Podcast is and I Heart Media production co executive produced
by Crazy Media love you. My producer is Grace Comstyleist
Get on Your Grace. Edited by Sampayan El Duro, music
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I would do without my amazing production assistance Naomi A.

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