BONUS: Season 2 Mailbag

It’s a new year and a brand-new mailbag episode! Today, Kat and Dom dig into questions from fans, talking about everything from what Clace’s dream wedding would look like to their favorite runes and the tattoo so many of the cast and crew ended up with.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hello, shadow Fam, and happy New Year. We have an
extra special holiday gift for you today. Remember when we
answered some of your questions a while back, Well, we
are doing it again. We had so many amazing questions
we couldn't fit them all in one episode. So here
we are welcome to this week's season two mail bag.
We're so excited to answer some questions and make an

(00:54):
episode fully for you, our beloved shadow Fam. Morning, dumb,
how are you? Or afternoon for you? I guess it
is afternoon for me. We'll figure out the time difference
one of these days. I'm doing good. I'm good. I'm
good about to embark on some holiday travel and a
family time, which i'm very much. Do you want break?
You want break for the holidays? Or you finished? We're done?

(01:16):
You're done? Wow, we are done done. So a fun
period of do we get picked up? Wait? No, you
got picked up. You didn't get picked up. You got
picked up to do the whole season. Yeah, we just
did thirteen and then no back order and we'll see
about season two. So I feel good about it. I
think I feel good about this one. You need more

(01:36):
Westerns in the world, you know what I mean? Right?
It would certainly be a lot of fun. What are
you up to these days? I am back home for Christmas,
back home, and I'm about to travel for um. A
friend of mine is getting married in the Dominican Republic
and he's asked me to be in his grims party
and he's getting married over New Years. So Deca and
I are going to the Dominican in like a week

(01:57):
and a half. And I haven't just over a week,
like all its ten days, um, and I haven't planned anything,
and I need to start planning some stuff. But there
you go. There's anything I know about you, dum. It's
last minute travel. It's kind of your specialty adventure no
matter what. Oh yeah, that's the plan. Um. Right, Well,

(02:17):
we have a whole bunch of questions from you guys, which,
first of all, thank you so much for taking the
time to listen and engage with us and enjoy the
show and then come up with these questions, because one
it's so lovely to hear from you, and two it
makes our drob a whole bunch of eesier that we
don't have to make them up. So that's great stuff.
I'm gonna I'm gonna preface this with like I am
gonna absolutely butcher some of these names. I've tried to

(02:41):
go through some of them, and some of them are
pretty simple, but some of them are like they're like,
they're not not anagrams. What are they called? When it's
when it's like I R L, what's that? What's the
term for abbreviations? Abbreviations. There's like a bunch of abbreviations
that I don't know because I'm fucking old now, so

(03:01):
there's a bunch of these that I don't know. So
if I mess it up, like just try and be
gentle with me and don't laugh. And if I mess
up your name at some point, I apologize. With that
being said that precursor, let's dive in. Let's jump into
some questions. What do you say, Let's go for it, right,
So we have these sort of compartmentalized into different versions
of things, which isn't really necessarily very important for you guys,

(03:23):
but it gives us some other things to talk about.
So this first section of questions is filming slash stuff
that we did on screen. So first we want to
get into some questions about our time on set and
our favorite times on screen, our favorite on screen moments, Kat,
do you want me to ask you the first question?
Go for it down great, leanne leanne l y l.

(03:44):
I think that's what this is. Man, you think so okay? Cool?
This isn't see I'm starting off already. This is it's
it's going to be one of those kind of shows. No, listen,
I don't know what the kids say these days. I'm
not I don't know the TikTok's and instead what I
don't know, I don't know, although I did. Just this
is funny, and I'll publicly address this now. I was

(04:06):
drunk with my friends the other day and I thought
it would be funny to follow some people again. So
I followed my best friend Harvey, who lives with me.
I followed Decca, and then I followed Darryl has a
fan group and we're not sure who runs it, but
I followed the fan group and not Darryl, and immediately
got a message from Daryl like, dude, what are you doing?
I'm so annoyed. So everyone out there go and follow

(04:29):
this band group because it's awesome. Any who the question
from Lee Darryl or for for you no doubt? Well yeah,
of course I follow it for sure, um. Alright, So
question number one, what what time did you have to
wake up on set? What time did you have to
wake up on set? Is an interesting one because Cat

(04:49):
likes to take naps on set. I'm assuming the question
is sort of based around what time do we have
to wake up to go to set? Um, and that
is fully dependent. We were on one of those kind
of shows where do you know what? I asked you
the question I don't know why I'm diving in and answering.
I asked you the question you go nuts. Well, that's
all right, Well, I I think I was going to
say just about the same thing you were. Most likely

(05:09):
is that, you know, it all depends on what we're
shooting and when, because a lot of times we would
end up shooting nights because you know, vampires, etcetera. It's
easier to hunt shadows in the dark. No, but we uh,
we would have to wake up. You know, we lived
probably about an hour from our studio, which most of
the time that's where we would be. And then I

(05:31):
think it's all depended on hair and makeup time. So
my hair and makeup time I think was about an
hour and a bit, which it's interesting on a show
like this because our time was usually pretty similar, which
isn't usually the case for you know, folks with extensively
long hair as I have, but it's because of the
ruins and your tattoos and all that stuff, right, Yeah, yeah,
that doubled me up with time. So the big thing

(05:53):
for me was if I was shirtless or not, if
I'm if I have my shirt on. And we used
to talk about this with costume quite a lot. If
there was an opportunity to and it made sense for
the story, we would tend to be in long sleeves
with the sleeves rolled down that way. Nobody else has
to get up early, not just me, but like the
hair and makeup team who also have to come in
early to get the rooms ready to cover up my
tattoos on and so forth. Nobody has to come in

(06:16):
any earlier, and everyone gets an next hour of sleep.
And like Kat was mentioning, you know when we do
those night shoots Faturday's where everyone's least favorites, where you
start on a Friday afternoon and you don't finish till
not even the early hours, sometimes on a Saturday morning,
sometimes like middle of the morning Saturday morning, and you've
just worked through the night, nobody wants to come in

(06:36):
that next day an hour earlier. Nobody wants to do
it because everyone's tired. You need your rest. It's really important,
and it's important to be productive and to be a
decent part of the team. So we would work out
times where if it was if it was necessary, then
I would be shirtless, when my sleeves would be shorter.
If it wasn't necessary, it wouldn't. However, the shirtless scenes,

(06:58):
they have to airbrush my tattoos off first, so they
cover them completely, which takes about give or take. Normally
there's two or three people doing it, so give or
take that takes about between twenty and fourteen minutes. And
then you have to apply the ruins on top of that,
which takes another sort of between twenty and forty minutes,
so about just over an hour give or take. Yeah,

(07:19):
which you know is not an insignificant amount of time.
And then sometimes if we were feeling extra ambitious or
just an insane person like myself, we would get up
in the morning and go train with our trainer first
before work or after work or you know that's true. Actually,
because fight scenes as well, like the fight scenes days
would come in early very often UM and run it

(07:39):
because most of the time we had run the fight
scene but in the studio space, so we don't know
what the set looks like yet, we don't know where.
You know, you've got a scene. I just rewatched with
a friend the fight scene with the first one in
the Vampire. Then we didn't know what that was going
to look like, like they sort of set it up
with boxes sort of vaguely like that, But I didn't
know where the paddle was going to come from, where
where are going to come from, where the vampires are

(08:01):
coming from, where they're going to fall, where it's safe
for them to fall, where it's safe for me to fall.
You don't know any of that. So if you have
the opportunity to get up and get in UM and
see that space and even just like it's almost like meditating,
you just sit in the space and sort of pan
everything through in your head as best you can. This
goes here, this is when this happens, and whatever. And
then when the changes do inevitably happen, which we've spoken

(08:23):
about on the podcast before, it's a little easier. So
this is a really tricky question. To answer in relation
to what when we wake up, because there is no
answer to it. The standard answer is we get given
a time that we need to be in work, which
is on It's called the cool sheets, and the cool
sheet has all of the information we need for the day.
Who's going to be in, the phone numbers, we need
to call, the scenes that we're gonna be doing, blah

(08:45):
blah blah, times, dates, whether all that sort of stuff, um,
and next to our names will say pick up at
this time, arrive on set at this time here, and
make up at this time on set this time. If
it's one of those days where we decided we want
to be in earlier for whatever reason, you have to
approa some ahead of time and say, look, I loves
come in I would love to see this blah blah blah.
But the standard answer is we wake up when we're

(09:07):
told to wake up. Yeah, it's very true, I mean
we That's that's the beauty of being an actor on
a show like this is you really get told everything
where to do. There was I was actually on the
set of Arrow and I realized this kind of analogy,
and then one of our camera operators added the little
cherry on top. But we're basically kindergarteners, you know. We

(09:28):
get told we can have a little chair with our
name on it, we have a little cubby with our
name on it. Somebody sets our clothes and make sure
our hair looks nice, and then they we have somebody
who walks us everywhere we go and tells everyone else
when we go to the bathroom and when we need
a snack. And people always ask that. I was going
to say snacks as a big one, when when you're grumpy,
someone's gonna bring you snacks and like a juice box

(09:48):
and be like, just do you calm down, you It's
gonna be okay. But then one of the camera upside
arrow turned to me one day and went, oh yeah,
and we're the parents that record you guys play together. Jeez.
So that's basically the crux of it. Very simple question,
very long winded answer. I am so sorry. I wonder

(10:10):
if they're talking to me like this. Well, here's our
next question from l Barrett too to six three. What
was your absolute favorite moment from each season to either
film or watch? Okay, from each season a season. Season

(10:31):
one isn't easy one for me because it's the same
scene to both film and because I because I don't
do a huge amount in this scene, I get to
sort of witness it as it's happening for the first time.
It's almost a bit like watching a play, which is
really cool. And then so being a part of that,
being a part of the filming process was very cool. Um,
it took us two days. I'm giving you clues, you're

(10:52):
going to figure out which one this is, Oh, I
already know, and then then to watch it again. We
all watched it together live at the free Form offices
in Los Angeles, and we got to see it as
the audience saw it, and so we knew what was
coming and with the build up and stuff. That was amazing.
And it's the Lydia Alec wedding that's gate crashed by
Magnus in the most fantastic way. And that kiss. Getting

(11:15):
to see that kiss for the first time because nobody
really knew. I'm not even sure if they knew exactly
what was going to happen. Um, and the and the
way Matt initiates it. I remember I remember seeing it
and thinking, holy sh he's going to punch him, like
and it's one of those things where like the director
hasn't told us, but this is he wants like a
genuine reaction from us. So this is what's going to happen,
because that's what it looks like. You grabbed him by

(11:36):
the pearls and there's a half a second there where
you're like, oh, I really don't know what's going to
happen there. Um. And it's such a genuine, raw, sort
of almost like an epiphany, like an emotional physical epiphany,
which is it was a really cool thing to watch
and we've said it before, we say it again a
thousand times. The boys do such an amazing job in
that scene. Um. And that was my favorite in season

(11:58):
one two to watch and be a part of. Yeah,
I mean you took the words right out of my
mouth on that one. Um. So I have really nothing
to add other than you know, it's It was sort
of a celebration of the season as well, because we
were in our second to last episode and we had
all been so separated for so long, and it was
so nice to have everyone together in one room and

(12:18):
just be able to celebrate the story that we told
for so long. Spoiler that might be our answer for
season three. Maybe I will say I think I know
our answer for season two, because I think we have
the same answer for that as well. At the whole
sequence at lake Land, with Allan and the Sword and
the lake and the Angel and you and I and
this all those fights, it was such we were we

(12:40):
were exhausted, you know, and it was such an epic
thing and something that we've built up for so long,
and the hard work that every single department put in,
despite you know, weather adversities and how you know, we
had to, as you said before, change things at the
last minute and dealing with drones and dealing with you know,
different elements that we had to bring together to make

(13:02):
this moment as as epic as the books built it
up to be and as epic as the fans deserved.
And you know, I really think that was that was
so well done by the entire team. And we had
been crying for seventeen hours and fighting and in the
rain and everything else, and yet I think we all
left set that day knowing that we've done something special

(13:22):
and knowing that we'd accomplished that goal, despite the fact
that I mean I couldn't even stand up in the
shower at the end of the time for that moment.
It was hard. I mean it was because it wasn't
even like that was the last scene of that whole
sequence that we filmed semi chronologically, so there was the
execution fight and then there was there and this was
also correct me if I'm wrong, but that was all

(13:43):
done in the same area, right Like, we pretty much
went from like dusk with the execution straight to the
edge of Lake Lynn and did those scenes one after
the other. So it was it was definitely a hard
work day. There is there's a certain amount of adrenaline
that you get, especially from I mean, just doing what
you love anyway gives you a decent amount of adrenaline,

(14:03):
but then being on locations, there's something really special about
that because you're seeing the thing live. They're not going
to add very much to it. Obviously the angel was
added later spoiler, but we didn't have one of those
in life. But actually being able to look out across
the lake that we've seen in writing and we'd rehearsed
and we've done all this stuff and then that actually
be there and see it, it's a really cool thing.

(14:25):
So you do get this level of adrenaline which sort
of helps you through to a certain extent. But then
when sort of twelve o'clock and then it's one in
the morning, and then it's two in the morning, and
that adrenaline starts to dip a little, and you're sort
of on cigarettes and coca cola and that's the only
thing that's really keeping you through. It's like sugar and
you don't smoke, but that's what I was doing, And
I was smoking cigarettes and like drinking soda every two

(14:46):
seconds just to keep like little sugar butters going through
my body. But like Cat says, you know, you when
there's something really fantastic about leaving those days and going
m m, that's that's that was everything that it should
have been. It was if we nailed that scene, absolutely nail.
That says nothing I would go back and change, which
especially is I think any version of artists always look

(15:08):
back at their work and hate just a tiny bit
of it. Always. You always look back and there's always
a part of you that's like, oh, man, I wouldn't
have done that, or I wouldn't have done that. And again,
part of the beauty of it, that sort of self
sacrificial nature pushes you to strive to be a little
better every time, which is a good thing. It's a
positive thing if you use it in the right way.
But I don't feel that way about that scene, and
I know you don't feel that way about that scene,

(15:30):
which is rare and and quite lovely. Indeed, what about
season three down see I alluded to it earlier and
now I can't think of anything else for two reasons. One,
exactly as you mentioned before, it's an amalgam of how
the story came together, what it represents, how it how

(15:51):
it brings people from different facets of life together, and
how they can be happy no matter what their challenges are,
no matter what their backgrounds are. Would ever, so, the
wedding scene, the actual wedding scene at the end of
season three, I think encapsulates a lot of what we
were trying to tell in our story. And then on
top of that, and we have mentioned this before briefly,

(16:13):
but it was one of those very few scenes where
everyone was there. Everyone people from season one. You know,
we spoke about it when we had Glenn on. Glenn
was with us. Glenn camera operator, was with us from
season one, from from day day one. He was with
us and was with us on that last day and
for those who don't know, we've definitely mentioned this before,
but we had the rap party immediately after filming that scene,

(16:34):
immediately after filming it on the sets that we all
we all it worked on, we all lived on for
four and a half years. They had champagne waiting for us,
and that's where we had our rap party. So so
filming that whole collection, the wedding and then the after
party and then the our after party as well, and
my dad was there, which was really lovely, and yeah,

(16:55):
it was it was a pretty special experience around because
again that's not that's very uncommon in so many ways
to have your last dayby with all of the people
that you've worked with. Never happened to have its. In fact,
almost always your last day is like on your own
and it's like right at the end of the day
and it's like kind of you're just like, yeah, let's
get out of here. Everyone's time screen shooting somewhere like

(17:18):
totally yeah, we just need to smile into like this
camera at one point and that's it. And then to
have to be on a set obviously has on that
set that you know, the key set, is fairly uncommon.
And then to have your rap party one the day
of never happens, and to to have it on a
set that we grew up in, literally grew up in
like four years of my life was was on that

(17:39):
set all day, every day is unheard of. So that
was that was really cool. That was really really special.
And I feel the exact same way. You know, even
having Isaiah come back, who was off doing something else
and has only been there for a couple of days,
and I think even Alan showed up, and you know,
everyone came and even folks who weren't working that day

(17:59):
just keep to be there. And you know, something we
don't talk a ton about because we get so caught
up and everything is todd You know, our showrunner Ted
Lapkin came up to direct that episode and he hadn't
directed the show before and was so brilliant in creating
such a sacred space for that scene and creating such
a beautiful every single detail of the wedding, from the

(18:22):
flowers to the way everything was arranged, to you know,
having Nicola walk walk Harry down the aisle, to all
of these little elements just brought all of us to
tears so many times because it was the connective tissue
of everything we'd set up and everything we'd worked for,
and everything that we had put our heart and souls
into for so many years, you know, down to there

(18:44):
were certain pieces of the dialogue that I in my
final scene with Alberto, my final scene with Nicola, my
final scene with you, I could barely even say the
lines without bursting into tears because they were so poignant
to everything that not only we had felt as characters,
but everything that we felt as people over that time,
and everything that we've been through together, and this family

(19:05):
that we've made and this team effort that we've built,
and it was it was such a celebration but also
a lovely send off and a lovely farewell to this story. Yeah.
I agree. Wow, we're not getting to these very quickly.
Ship that question too, Yeah, okay, well there you go.

(19:43):
Jelleka dot Art has asked a scene you weren't happy with,
but upon watching thought you did a good job. Interesting.
So this actually happens a lot, I find. And I
was talking to a director of friend of mine. Yeah,
I was talking to a director of friend of mine
about this, and it's sort of illuminated some some other
a new perspective for me. You know, when when you

(20:05):
are shooting at such a fast pace and you're doing
so much. As you said, artists often are at least
people who really care about what they're doing, are often
very critical of themselves and often find because we're always
striving to be better and always striving to improve, and
so often when you get on set and there on
the day, it turns out differently than you would have expected,
or there's some element that it doesn't necessarily go the

(20:27):
way you thought of in your head, and at times
that can be a bit disappointing or frustrating, or or
you just go, oh, man, I wish I could have
or I wish I had done this retrospectively. But a
director friend of mine I was talking to about this,
and he said to me, it's never the take that
the actor likes that's the best take. It's the take
that they are unsure of because they because they're unsure,

(20:51):
it means they weren't self evaluating while they were in
the scene. They were just actually in the moment and
actually living the moment and lost themselves in the story.
So they didn't have a sort of accurate representation of
how the take went. In quotes as it were, Um,
which that was interesting, But I don't know, how do
you feel that makes total sense? I think there's a

(21:13):
million different actors in a million different ways that actors
work because everyone does it a slightly different way. I
don't I think the only there are definitely times where
I wish I had done something differently, but it's it's
upon watching more than it is like on the day.
On the day, I really do try and lose myself
as much as I can, to the point where like

(21:34):
there are times where I don't really remember doing things,
and that's when I know that it was good because
exactly just saying like that, whatever I was saying in
those moments was my emotions behind it were connected to
whatever that other person, whatever that thing, that object, whatever
it was, and and trying to sort of use your
imagination to to put that into reality for yous um

(21:57):
that That's what I've always tried to do to to
project these characters emotions. But I think definitely sometimes where
I've been disappointed is where we ran out of time,
where you knew you had no choice, but you had
to get this the first time, and the sort of
not standard really but like um, what does seem to

(22:18):
happen quite a bit as you do. You know, you
do a big wide shot first, normally that's what you'll
get first, and you sort of there some ship out then,
like you figure some ship out, you figure out what
the other actor is gonna do, and you have that
sort of conversation of like, oh interesting, cool, okay, great,
do that again. Because because you surprised me with it
and and I didn't, then it took me out of
it because I was watching it and I was like, oh,

(22:39):
that was a good choice, and I was like, oh
ship Now Dom's thinking not Jason, So just hit me
with it again. I'm gonna get back into Jason. We
can react the way we need to react, and then
you come in closer and closer and closer bit by bit,
and then you sort of get these cool little nuances
and whatever. And a good example of that actually is
the last scene with Alberta and either fight scene um
was sort of original written and originally rehearsed with it

(23:03):
was like anger. I was angry that this thing that
had happened, and we did the first big wide take
and Alberto and I went aside and we're like, it
doesn't feel it's not working, like it doesn't feel quite right.
I don't know why it doesn't feel right, but it
feels like I'm fighting my emotions and and whatever. And
I think Alberto even said like let those emotions go,
like let yourself be entirely vulnerable, because we've reached a
place Simon and Jason were comfortable with each other, like

(23:24):
let your emotions go. And I was like, okay, shot, yeah,
let me try that. And we tried it and we went,
oh wow, yeah, no, there that's where that all felt correct.
And when you run out of time, you don't have
that play space, you don't have that section there, and
that I know. I've done scenes, not just in shadow,
and there's and all sorts of different productions where we
ran out of time and that was there, like, man, yeah,

(23:46):
I wish I had I wish I had a couple more.
I wish I In fact, that's a very common act
of phrases, I wish I had one more, I wish
I had one more take because I could feel that
there was like something brewing on the precipice. It's like
when you're when you're in the shower and you want
to re have a conversation that you've had previously. You
always you always, even as yourself, you always think of
the like ship there it was, that's what I should

(24:07):
have said, That's what I should have said, because that's
how I genuinely feel. But it took me a couple
of times of having that conversation to get it out.
And it's very similar when you're on set. There's there
are times where you do need to have that conversation
more than once to go. This is actually how I
feel about it. And there are times when we just
don't have time. The big one is chasing sunlight or
sunlight's chasing uts um. You know, if the scene needs

(24:29):
to be at nighttime and the sun is coming up,
you've only got so much time. You've only got until
the sun comes up. So I find those to be
very disappointing days, but there's nothing to be done about them.
So there you go. Indeed, so I think let's move
on to the casting character's section. You know, they people
wanted to know about the cast and the characters in

(24:50):
the Shadow World and have all felt about them. The
j Uiera good jobs, So sorry, V how you era?
Perhaps I'm butchering this name I'm so sorry. Wants to
know in what ways do we feel as though we're
like our characters. We've been asked this one before, definitely,

(25:10):
probably not by yourself. It's I think Jason became more
like me as it went on. No, I don't even
know if that's true. I think that's just something that's
that's such a press answer, that's such as someone told
me to say that. That's just that's just not the
case at all. I don't think we asked himilar and
and and I like taking roles where I'm not similar

(25:33):
to the person. I like that. I enjoy doing that.
And there are definitely elements of myself. I'm fiercely loyal,
and I'm very willing to do things for other people
and put maybe them first, sometimes sometimes to my own detriment.
But that that, and also that that loyalty in and
of itself can be kind of selfish sometimes. And I
know Jas has a selfishness with him, and and that's

(25:55):
tricky too. So I don't know. I I think we're
very dissimilar people in lots of ways. But I think
when you're playing it, when you're playing one of the
good guys, you want to hope that deep down you're
aligned some way because you're playing one of the good guys.
You're playing someone with a good heart who's doing the
right thing for the right reasons. So I would hope
that at least that sort of key level of morality

(26:17):
is similar between him and I. But other than that,
we just we look pretty similar and all the moment.
I have a beard now, but previously we previously on
Tom Showoo's Life, I used to look a lot like Jason. Yeah,
I think, you know, it's interesting because I I saw
some similarities between myself and Clary when I started and throughout,

(26:38):
but looking back, I think, you know, we were a
lot more similar than I realized, which I wasn't used to.
I never really played a character that was like me
in any way, which provided its own set of vulnerabilities
and challenges along the way, because you have to really
go to parts of your psyche and your heart that

(26:58):
are very close the bone and very close to home,
and that can be an experience, for lack of a
better word. But it's nice looking back because I definitely
grew with Clary. You know, these two care these Clary
and myself, they were these young women thrown into worlds
that they knew nothing about and that they didn't have
any experience in and had to find a way to

(27:19):
navigate and create a family and grow and become something
that they never thought they could be. And that I
was very grateful for that because I, you know, as
you said, we grew up on this show, and we
grew up with these people, and and I I was
figuring out who I was as an adult and an
artist in a person. Well, Clary was figuring out who
she was as a shadow wonder and uh, it's it's

(27:41):
interesting looking back on that, and I'm it's one reason
why this is always going to be so special to me.
Good answer, Um, Danielle or Daniel one six one four brown?
Probably Daniel. I want to say Daniel, but this could
be Danielle. I don't know. It's it's spelled so many
from ah Man. I don't know Dan, Danielle or Daniel

(28:04):
won six one brown? Who is your favorite guest star? Wow?
Oh jeez, that's a tricky question. Honestly, that's like asking
us which of our siblings we like the most cats
and only child. So that's a fairly easy question for her,
but for me, that would be though you're an only child, right, Yes,
for lack of a a better word, my my mom tends
to adopt friends of mine from time to time, so

(28:25):
I had a few adopted siblings at this point. But yeah, yeah, okay,
that's awesome. There you go, um favorite guest star man.
There were so many because you what you don't understand,
I think is some of our guest stars became such
regular parts of the cast that you would assume that
they were series regulars. Jay's is one, Nicola is another.

(28:47):
We saw them so often that you would assume that
maybe they were part of the standard cast, but they aren't.
I think if we because yeah, I mean, mine would
be Nicola. If we were going on paper of like
guest star guest star, it would be Nicolas. Nicholas one
of my favorite people in the world. However, I think
if we were going to go on like people who
sort of came in for like an episode, Adam Harrington

(29:11):
was amazing. I had a lot of fun with Adam Harrington. Also,
Mimi's amazing. And then Adam Kenneth Wilson, who played Ragna,
came in and and first of all did one of
the best British accents I've ever heard in my entire life,
like like to the point where I was asking him
whereabouts in England is from and he was like, oh, no, Darling,
I'm actually from here. I'm from here. I just this

(29:32):
Ragna has has a British accent. And I was like,
that's amazing. That's better than my British accent. And I'm British.
So if we're talking about guest stars who were just
in for like a day, those two guys are probably
up them. By this, we can't forget Harvier Munus as
well harveyer as a good one. Yeah it's a really
good one. Or again yeah, Tesa, I don't think one

(29:53):
of our day players, you know what I mean? Like
she wasn't a one episode like she had an arc,
she had a whole but she You're right, Tessa was
technically a guest star. Tessa has come like and Jade
as well as another one like jadeas soon who is
technically a guest star. But we don't we don't see
those people as guest after David Castro. David Castro is
another one, like they weren't guest stars. They would they

(30:14):
were a part of this with us you know. So, yeah,
I don't know. That's a really tricky question to want
to it is. I mean, and you know, technically Will
Tutor was a guest star, Luke Bains, you know, all
of these people who came in and became such huge
parts of the family and huge parts of our lives.
I will say, if if you know, I had to

(30:36):
shadow you know, shadow Hunter's weapon to my throat, I
would have to say Nicola and Maris just because of
the ark that Maris had. It was such a dissimilar
arc arc from the book and such a dissimilar story.
But so because of the impact that Malik had, they
almost were able to exponentially grow that impact and grow

(31:02):
the sort of emotional impact that the show had, and
the and the growth for the shadow fan that it provided,
and and the safe space and the comfort and the
you know help. I guess is for lack of a
better word, that that the show was able to give
people and the rest of it by telling not only
a story of this relationship, but a story of a

(31:22):
family and a mother and son and parents navigating this
relationship and and siblings and families and you know, institutions
as well. And it it became such a special, beloved
aspect of the show, and you know, taking a character
that would have just remained a villain as it were,
and humanizing her and giving her a new life and
a love story and everything else as the end the

(31:45):
show came to an end. It's really it became so
nuanced and complex, and I think a lot of that
too has to do with Nicola and just the capacity
she has as an actress as well. I would I
would agree. It's it's one of those impossible questions because
you're asked us, as I said, it's like which of
our siblings we like the most? Like there's no there's

(32:06):
no real answer to that question. And then also so
many of these people in our heads were not guest stars. Um, yeah, tricky.
So I hope we vaguely answered that question. For sake
of time. Shall we jump to the next section. Let's
do it. So here are some what ifs, which I
think this might be the section I'm looking forward to most.
There's a few what if questions because why not dream

(32:28):
about the future. So I think we've actually been asked
this question before. What would because we've talked so much
about weddings. If klace were to have gotten married one day,
what would that wedding have looked like? And what what
would that have been? Such an interesting question, like j
Saint so good with the romance we know now he,

(32:52):
I think they both would have just turned it over
to Magnus and said, I think Magnus would have done
a lot of helping planet and do everything and tell
us what to do. I honestly think, especially based on
how their relationship came to a close in the story,
I think Simon would have done a lot of helping
because Simon new has known Clary since they were kids, right,
like I think he, I think Jas would have asked him.

(33:12):
I think you would have asked him for help. Um
And while and this is a cool idea, while Alec
may have been Jason's Sunjin, is not right Sunjin, I
think surgeon sun gink. I'm pretty sure that me that's
like shadow on to best man, maybe Alberto, maybe he's
Simon would have been Jason's best man, the mundane version

(33:35):
of that, and they would have been able to have
sort of an amalgam those of those. I think it's right,
because you know, Simon came so full circle with Jace
and Hare's known Clary so well, so he really is
the bridge between that couple. Yeah. Um, As far as
what it would look like, I don't know. I don't
think it would be. I don't think it would be
as flashy as Magnus Alec. I think, honestly, I think

(33:58):
what both of them and we used to joke about
this all the time, like if you could cross over
a show, which one would it be? And it would
be like some fucking travel show. We just get to
go and sit on a beach for a little bit.
Like that kind of sounds like the perfect wedding for me.
Where you're for them, like where you're away from from everything,
from all of the torturous version of life that they've
had growing up, especially Jay's um and get to fully

(34:22):
escape into into a world with just the people they
care about, just a very small grouping of people. Um.
There are sort of in a circle of people, and
they get to celebrate how much they care about each
other with the people that they want to celebrate that with,
UM in a place that maybe nobody's been before, maybe
and maybe it's a place that not only nobody's been married,

(34:43):
nobody's ever even visited. And I think that's something that
would be very special to to Jay's at least. I
think it would be interesting to you know, find a
part of the Silly realm that is tropical, or to
you know, go to the beaches of somewhere, some forests,
not in an institute, not in a it would have
been I think, out somewhere that that maybe meant something

(35:05):
to them throughout the years. But very interesting thoughts. Looks
the next word I've done, Let's see, let's see, let's
see from Shadow Cat Clary. Place, that's a solid name,
good job. Would have loved to see an episode of
just Place. If there was, what would they be doing?
They would be fighting, they with each other. They would

(35:27):
be arguing about something. Clary would have said, I've got
to go do this thing, and Jace would have said, no,
you probably shouldn't. She would have done it anyway, and
then James would have come and saved her life, and
then she would have basically figured out something at the
end that saved them both just miraculously that Jason, because
he's a bad shot. Answer. That's the episode. That's that.
If we're going based on like story writing historically, like

(35:50):
the ability of these people to do the things that
they've done in continuum. That's what the episode would have been.
I think it would also be interesting to have an
episode of them like at Ikea trying to furnish their
apartment or you know, fighting demons while also having an
argument and just dealing with a couple of stuff while
they're slashing. That would have been really fun. Like the

(36:13):
concept of that would have been would have been really fun,
like mid argument, mid fight instead of seeing this or
like whilst seeing this synergy between like you and myself
or between is he analec or me? And me and
aalec or you? And is he seeing that synergy whilst
also having a confrontation between the two would have been
an interesting like dynamic to play with. Who knows even

(36:36):
if we are even if we're fighting, Like maybe in
ten years when they do a reunion series and I'm
playing fourty year old Jays, then then we can throw
that one in there. I mean, let's do it all, right,

(37:11):
So let's jump into rooms. So lacy l seven says,
what is each of your favorite room? Jason Clary use
or favorite in general? Here's my thing about the runs,
right is there were like three that I used continuously
throughout the show. The Irati was the main one because
I was continuously getting hurt or beaten up or murdered,

(37:33):
So that was like the big one for me. The
rest of them, even when we were doing the show,
I didn't really know what they were. No, no real clue.
Like you guys tell us all the time. We're you know,
we're at fan events wherever, and you're like, oh, yeah,
this rumor on your shoulder, and now I have it
and put it on my shoulder and I'm like, oh,
I didn't know that, but okay, cool, it's good to

(37:53):
know that that's the case. There were so many. There
were so many, and then with the introduction in season
two of Clary being would have just make shut up.
There were so many, and then we were adding new
ones to them all the time, and then these situations
would happen like is it end of season two or
mid season three break? I can't remember where is he
just has one wish, her eyes go like technical and

(38:15):
she can like see all of the stuff in the building.
And I was like, that would have been so useful
like forty different times in this show, and we just
could haven't used it yet. But right now it's a
useful thing, So I didn't I never knew what they were,
so I'm gonna have to go with a Razi. Also,
we have toyed with this as an idea. If the
Razi Room would be able to get rid of a
hangover in real life, that's gonna be my favorite. Yeah,

(38:38):
I think one of my favorite rooms from when I
read the books and then in the series. We didn't
get to use it a lot in the series, which
I wish we had. That would have been something if
we'd done the War with the Darkened and we've done
all of the book six stuff in full, we would
have seen a lot more of was that. I believe
it's called the Unite Room. That's and it's one of
the last ones that Clary creates. Allows a shadow Hunter

(39:02):
to be paired with the down worlder and their their
gifts to be sort of crossed over and combined and there,
you know, it's what allows us to go to eat
them and what allows us to do all these other things.
And not only did it provide a lot of fun
for us, you know, me getting vamp speed for a
few minutes and you getting the sea life thing for
a little bit, and you know, all of these elements,
but it also just it goes back to what Shadow

(39:22):
Hunters is all about and just allowing two people who
are working for the same cause from completely different backgrounds,
completely different creatures, are able to combine their gifts in
the most literal way and use them for the common
good and use them to fight against what is trying
to destroy everything. And I think that's such a beautiful
metaphor and it's you know again, I wish we could

(39:44):
have explored it more in the series. Yeah, there's definitely
a cool subsection of of like story plotlines that we
got to go through with that because that was that
was good fund and those are good fun days. So
let's move on to legacy. One of our favorite things
is seeing how the show affects you, guys, even after
the years it's ended. And honestly, it's so true to

(40:05):
see the the way that this show has lived with
so many people for such a long time and still
to this day because we're still doing this is really
quite uncommon and quite cool for us to experience because
most shows, and you as viewers will know this most
shows once they're gone. That's kind of it. It's just

(40:25):
gone and everyone moves on to another thing, and that's
not really the case with this. So this has been
This has been lovely. So let's see how some of
your fan questions lead to the effects it's had on us.
Aliva underscore Maja or Maha with three eyes in the
pre vat do you ever want to get a Shadow

(40:45):
Hunters related tattoo? By the way I love you guys
by the way we love you right back both have
Shadow Answers related tattoos. It's true. Well, it was mostly
alcohol's idea. If I'm on its alcohol and then and
then the I don't know if I blame the taxi driver,
but the fact that that I got out of the

(41:07):
car next to a tattoo parlor, it all seemed very
serendipitous to me, and that is that that's basically what
it happened. We Alberta and I have been to a
Taylor Swift concert and we've gotten quite drunk, and then
we had to go to the rat party of season
one and got out of the car and Alberta got
out on the right and the rat party was on
the right, and I got out on the left, and
there was a tattoo parlor on the left, and I went, yeah,

(41:28):
I'm getting one. So before I went into the rat party,
I went and got the Angelic Room tattooed on my leg,
and then I went into the rat party and the
first person I stow was Alan, who took one look
at me and went, why have you got? You put
plastic wrap like cling film around your around your tattoo
to keep it clean right after you've had it. And
Alan was going in there, what have you done with
your leg? And I went, I just went and got

(41:48):
a tattoo, and he went, I'm getting on. And then
subsequently I think I think like eight or nine of
us got it that night, and then over the course
of the show we had hair and makeup getting them
and all sorts of different people. I don't know if
you remember this, dumb because of said extenuating circumstances, but
you called me while you were on the table getting
I don't remember that, did I. I answered the phone

(42:12):
and you didn't even say hello. You just said bring
everyone across the street. And I was like, what where
are you? What's going on? He was like, bring everyone
across the street right now. I got the gang and
I was like, all right doms across the street, and
we walk in and you were on the table getting tattooed,
and we all sort of went, well, all right, we're
doing this now, this is the whole thing. Maybe it
was more my fault than I remember. I I what

(42:34):
I do remember is the tattoo artists being very confused
about tattooing a whole whole plethora of different people from
different backgrounds and whatever with the exact same image. And
he I think he was stoned. I think he was
stone because we went. When we got in, he was
in a very large lounger and he was watching cartoons.
There's anything wrong with that. I love cartoons. But he

(42:54):
was already and I remember him sort of looking over
like hey man, and I was like, hey, I want
to get this image tattoo and he goes, okay, cool.
And then we came in with the next person and
he went hey man, and I went, hey man, I
don't know if you remember me, and he sort of
went like not really, and I was like, okay, well,
can we get this image tattooed? And then it just
kept going and I think he got more and more confused.
Blessed socks, but you probably thought it was some sort
of cult or something, which yeah, but um. I then

(43:18):
proceeded to get a tattoo for every season that sort
of stacked on top of the first one of a
different room that whatever it was that exemplified the season
or whatever place in life I was in, And it
became a really nice memento of of the show because
it forced me to think about what was this season
for Clary and what was this year for me? And

(43:38):
what you know, what room can I pick that represents
that the most? And yeah, no, no regrets as one
of um what's next? So the next question is from
Planet Trish, what did playing Jason Clary teach you for
your career and other roles? I think I learned more.

(44:00):
This was sort of one of my first times being
a co lead of a show. You know, Clary Cat
was obviously the lead of our show, but the sort
of the male love interest lead version of that. Um,
this was one of my first times experiencing that. And
there's a lot that comes with it that you don't
really realize perhaps as audience members. The number one thing
is that attitude trickles downwards always, So if you turn

(44:25):
up with a good attitude, that's going to be reflected
with how people enjoy the day, how they start enjoying
their work, how it is for guest stars to come in,
the sort of relationships you build on set, and how
easy the days end up being. Cat always did a
very good job with this. I mean, how tired we were.
She was always upbeat, she always had a smile, and
she was always ready to go. And that's something that

(44:47):
I have taken with me career wise. That's something that
I would always do really, no matter what what stage
of the sort of the acting hierarchy you're in on
a set, not only can you make your day a
better day by taking the good parts of it and
holding on and letting go of the bad parts of it,
but you can make everyone else's day around you better
by doing exactly that. And I don't think this is

(45:08):
just an acting thing. I think this is a pretty
unilateral career thing. You can make everyone's day around you better,
and then that gets reflected backwards because the person who's
day you just made a little better by being a
little nice or even though you didn't want to because
you were tired or sleepy or hungry or whatever it was,
then that person later on the day might be tired
or sleep you're hungry, but give you a smile back
when they didn't want to because they were tired, and

(45:29):
sleep you're hungry. And then it just becomes this sort
of circular thing where everyone picks each other up as
and when they sort of need to. So that's something
that's stuck with me career wise, from playing these characterism
from being on this this set. Yeah, and I feel
much the same, you know. It's we were so lucky
to have a set where ego was virtually non existent.

(45:50):
You know, in any department, people were there to do
the job, to take care of each other and to
tell the story and to make each other better. And
that when you're doing a show that's nights and fighting
and tears and blood and all of these other things,
it's hard work. It's the best job in the world,
but it's hard work, and you have to support each

(46:10):
other and you have to be there to carry each
other through because inevitably everybody's going to have one bad
day at least when you're you're in the middle of this,
and you know, as as you often know and as
became maybe too much at times, I will always find
a silver lighting. I will always look for the bright side.
I will always even if it's silly and I have

(46:31):
to make it up, I will find some reason to
try and make someone smile. And that's always been inherently
a part of who I am, but it becomes so
much more important on a set like that. But also
I had never been a lead of a show in
that scenario either, and so I was so happy to
have people like Isaiah and Harry who had been around

(46:51):
the block so many times, who'd been through this. Harry
had just been through Glee, Isaiah has been in this
industry forever. And getting to watch them and the way
that they interacted with the crew, you know, having Isaiah
come on set every day and say hello to every
single person and say goodbye to every single person before
he leaves, no matter how long his day was. I
saw how much that meant to everyone on set. And

(47:13):
to have Harry come in and be such a total
pro and know his stuff and come in with ideas
that are so characterful and so interesting, you know, it
became such an element that all of that taught me
so much, and the camaraderie that we were able to
build that that carried everything through and trickled to the
entire crew. It made the show what it was and
you saw it on screen. You saw the byproduct of

(47:34):
that symbiosis on screen, and you know, again, that's what
I strive to carry through to any job I'm on,
in any aspect of my life. Yeah, smart, we got
two last questions. Let's do it. Here are some questions
about rewatching Shadow Wants and this podcast. Honestly, it has
been a huge amount of fun to be able to

(47:55):
dive into this, and especially we we did a little
behind the scenes of how this works. Today we sort
of run out of time. I couldn't film yesterday and
we're supposed to film yesterday, and then today we ran
out of time a little bit. So we decided to
do one. We're supposed to record too, and we're going
to do one, and we have the discussion of which
one do we want to do, and we said, oh, absolutely,
we're going to do the mail bag. We have to
do the mail bag because we want to get these
questions in and now we love having this interaction with

(48:16):
you guys, as do our co producers on the show,
who works so hard to bring this stuff to you.
They honestly do an absolutely amazing job. So this has
been a lot of fun and thank you for your
amazing questions. That's uh, let's jump into some Sammy a
hern a h n g um. I'm not even going

(48:37):
to give it another go. That's that's the best starts
day and I apologize, Sammy. When is the best time
to rewatch Shadow Hunters? Lots of loved from the Philippines
and lots of blood right back to the Philippines. The
best time? That's an interesting one. Honestly. What I did
find is time of day wise is nighttime, like when
it's dark because the show, I mean, it's a supernatural

(49:00):
show about demons and vampires. Like there's so much like
physical darkness, like lack of light on screen that I
remember trying and watch them in the daytime a couple
of times when I was in Toronto, and do you
remember my apartment Toronto, it was like floor to ceiling
windows everywhere and black out the place at all, and
it actually became quite hard to watch some of it,
like you miss bits. So I would say the best
time to watch it is get it dark, you know,

(49:21):
lights out, watch it at home when it's nighttime. And
that would be the best time. I agree, I think,
you know, and it's it sets the mood, It's sets
the tone. Pop yourself from popcorn and you know, make
a magnus worthy cocktail or mocktail and have a ball. Uh.
And then for our final question from Mila sixty six tier,
what's the most fun part of doing these podcasts? I

(49:44):
am all of it now, I think for me, aside
from these mail bag episodes that are so fun. To
have this interaction and to continue to answer all of
the questions that we haven't gotten a chance to and
reliving the episodes we have given our story so many
times at different Comma cons and press interviews and doing
all this, we shared our experience, We've told our story,

(50:04):
we have all our funny moments. There's still more to tell,
which is why we're here. But getting to bring on
people that meant so much to us, like Darren McGuire,
like Glenn Warner, like Nicola and you know everyone else
that hopefully we will have on the podcast one of
these days. Getting to hear the experience and the story
and getting to give an audience to that for the

(50:26):
people that helped create the world and helped us tell
the story and and often our aspects of filmmaking that
don't get light shed on them, and you know, hopefully,
my my hope is that you know, it helps to
celebrate the Shadow world for what it is. But also
if someone out there loves telling stories and and wants
to be a part of this industry but doesn't know

(50:46):
what a camera operator does, or a costume designer or
a wardrobe assistant or a director of photography or whatever
it may be, it sheds light on those careers as well,
and and hopefully allows more people with a myriad of
talents and an opportunity to to be a part of
this story telling. Yeah, no kidding, it's honestly, really beautifully put,
and I agree wholeheartedly. I think the best thing about

(51:10):
this podcast, and the best thing that we've done, and
the best thing that the producers have have done with us,
is get on the lesser known talents from the show.
Get on the people like Darren, like Glenn, like that,
and again like others that we're going to get on
who in all honesty worked harder than us. They worked
so much harder than us. Every single one of them

(51:31):
had a hand in making Jace, who he wasn't clearly
who she was, and Magnus who he was, and Alec
who he was, and Simon who he wasn't Isy who
she wasn't on and so forth. Every single one of
the people that we get on helped us develop those
people and helped us develop these stories and helped us
tell these stories. And I think one of the true
shames to a lot of audience members around the world
is that you never get to see that element of it,

(51:54):
because one to us, it's very exciting. It's a very
cool process to build something. You know, you don't buy
a lego made, you know what I mean. You sit
there and you make it and you put it together,
and that's what we that's what we do with these people,
sometimes literally, but I think to being able to share
some of those experiences with people who cared so much
about the show, being able to tell them that these

(52:15):
are the people that that really made it happen, it's
really fucking special. So that is that I agree with
you can. I think that's probably my favorite thing we've
done well. And I think that's a perfect place to
wrap up this episode and to thank each and every
one of you Angels for sending in questions and continuing
to listen and continuing to share this experience with us.

(52:36):
It's it's such a special thing, and you know, particularly
around the holidays, you sort of look back at your
year and go, what did I do this year? What
did I accomplish? What was my favorite part? And having
this podcast launch and be such a big part of
our lives and a big part of the fandom, and
the way that you've welcomed it is really wonderful. So
thank you to our amazing producers and to you um

(52:58):
to I Heeart for putting us out in the world,
and to all of you the Shadow Film for joining
us once again. Return to the Shadows is hosted an
executive produced by me Dominic, Sherwood and Katherine McNamara. Our
executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes
and Diego Tapia, and our producers are Hannah Harris and

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Kristin Vermilion. Our intern is Sam Cats. Original music by
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