S1E1 - The Mortal Cup

Welcome back to the fray, ShadowFam! Join Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood as they rewatch the very first episode that started Clary’s journey into the Shadow World. From Clace’s fateful first run-in and the Fray family secret to the debate on how to pronounce ‘stele,’ our hunters guide us through this epic return to the shadows. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cat, Hello, how are you? I'm great. I'm great, I'm excited.
I'm pumped. Look at us. Look at us with microphones
next to our faces. Wow, we look like real professionals.
We do. If only they knew that I'm not wearing
any good right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? How are you? Tell
me everything? What's new? I'm good? I am currently on location,

(00:24):
so I'm sitting in a closet with every cushion and
do they cover surrounding me? How about yourself? Where in
the world are you? I'm in New York. I'm filming
a TV show here. It's very exciting, amazing, But more importantly,
we're not here to talk about this TV show. We're
here to talk about something new. And should we tell
them what we're doing here? I think we should tell them?

(00:45):
Do you think we should tell them? I think we
should tell them. I think the suspense has been going
on long enough. So Dom and I would like to
officially welcome you to the first installment of our podcast,
where we will take you into the Fray and delve
into the shadow world that we all know and love
so much, highlighting the stories from the set, our favorite
plot lines, the show's legacy, all powered by the beloved

(01:07):
Shadow Fam. I'm Katherine McNamara and I am Domini Showden.
Together we make up place the Clarion Jay's partnership on
Shadow Hunters. We are so excited to be able to
go back and revisit something that was so so beautiful
to us and and as many of you have told us,
so important to you. So we get to go and

(01:30):
have a little look back at what we did and
what we all shared together, and that's super exciting. It
really is. So join us Shadow Fam as we return
to this set. Welcome to the podcast world, shadow Fam.

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Here it is here we are. The Shadow Fam has
slowly taken over various different parts of the world in
the interwebs, and we figured the podcast realm is just
another dimension in which we can spread the love of
the Shadow Fam. It really is eventually going to take
over the planet. That's my personal plan. I don't know
if anyone else feels that way, but that is what

(02:39):
I have been thinking that Basically when I joined the show,
I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be literally
king of Earth one day, and this is just the
next step. It is. Can we adapt yourine Matt Dadario
Zombie apocalypse plan to the Shadow fam have a different
plan or so for this we do involves a boat, uh,
several boats, common deer boats. We should talk about this

(03:01):
when Matt's on the show. We have we have a
we have a plan. We have a plan in place
for taking over the world. But in all seriousness, thank
you so much for being here with us today. And
I know Dom you know, we've been planning this for
a really long time and wanted to do something special
for the Shadow fan. We missed the Shadow world. We
miss all of you, and it's been a couple of
years since we've been able to be, you know, in

(03:21):
the same space as all of you. So we're coming
into your space and we're asking you to come on
the stradio with us. We're intruding. You said no, we're
not coming. We're not coming to see you. So we
are visiting you via phone, via computer, via radio, anywhere
where you can hear us. That's where we're going to be.
I can't wait, well with no further ade, do you

(03:46):
is that right? I do? Without further ado, without further
like like on much ado about nothing. Yeah, like in
the morning when it's do spelled differently, but that's all right.
It's it's a it's a homophone. It works. Here's Cat
keeping me good with my grammar. Thank you very much,
Cat teller. Tell her, Tell them, tell him, Tell everyone

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who's listening, pets, family, mom's, dad's, brothers, sisters, Tell them
all what we're doing today, what's the plan? So for
our first episode, we are diving in to do a
rewatch of the first episode called the Immortal Cup, season one,
episode one, our beloved pilot that we spent many weeks, days,
hours filming. It's almost a month, wasn't it. Didn't We
spend almost a month filming this. It felt like it.

(04:30):
But I think that's because with pre pre production kind
of blurred into it and we were still getting started,
you know, we were still learning what the world was
and what the show was and what that process was
going to be. So, you know, that's a really interesting
thing because I I rewatched it yesterday again just as
a refresher course, and there are some like noticeable things
that I found Where I was, I sort of saw like, oh,

(04:52):
we haven't found our feet yet. Were well on the way.
But there are some things. There are some like laws
like L O R E. Laws, that we am like,
we just ignored that later on that we just stopped
doing that. That was just the thing, like, this is
too complicated. We're gonna we're gonna pretend that didn't happen.
It was interesting, It was kind of experimental in that way.
There were so many things went, well, how does this happen?

(05:13):
Or how what does it look like when we kill
a demon? Or what are the rules of you know
what Warlock magic looks like? And you just kind of go,
I don't know, let's try this well, and interestingly, all
sort of everything, as much as it was a conversation,
things like Warlock Magic ended up being Harry's decision, you know,
like everything was sort of everyone's individual, like how do
you do this? This is how I would do this,
this is what I think it would look like. And

(05:35):
obviously Harry did a spectacular job. And you know, Matt
designed what Grumpy shadow Hunter look like and Emerald flirty
shadow Hunter, and I guess I took a hand in
Cocky shadow Unter and we got to start this world,
which was petrifying, to be completely honest. There was so
much responsibility into what we had to do, and fortunately

(05:56):
people liked it. And we got to keep coming back
and keep doing it, which was awesome, It really was.
I remember that first dinner when I arrived in Toronto,
the rest of you were all there, and you gathered
everyone in the lobby to say hello, and we all
went to dinner. And I'll never forget that first dinner
I think you did. Doesn't sound like me, how very
social I think it does. You were very social and

(06:17):
very sweet, and you know, we all kind of bonded
together instantly. And it's when I met Isaiah for the
first time, and when I met Matt for the first time,
and and we all sat there around the dinner table
and went, this is a huge responsibility and kind of
had a chance to talk about all that. And I remember,
you know, Isaiah and Harry kind of sat the kids
down and said, look, you know, this can be a

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really wonderful experience or a really terrible experience for all
of us. So let's have fun and be good to
each other and be good sports and be a team
about this. And it set us off on just the
right foot to be a family going through this whole process.
It did. So shall we give the little bit of
a description for the episode okay. Based on best selling

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young adult fantasy book series The Mortal Instruments by Cassandra Claire,
shadow Hunters follows Clarie Fray, who finds out on her
eighteenth birthday that she is not who she thinks she is.
She comes from a long line of shadow Hunters, half
human half angel hybrids tasked with protecting the down world
from demons. Now thrown into the world of demon hunting
after her mother is kidnapped, Clary must rely on the

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mysterious Jace and his fellow shadow Hunters Isabelle and Alec
to navigate this new dark world. With her best friend
Simon Intoe, Clary must now live among fairies, warlocks, vampires,
and werewolves to find answers that could help find her mother.
Nothing is as it seems, including her close family friend Luke,
who knows more than he's letting on, as well as
the enigmatic warlock Magnus Spain, who could hold the key

(07:45):
to unlock in Clary's past. You know, I gotta say
you should do audio books. I'd listened to that for days.
That was just you have Yeah, yeah, I knew that.
I listened to it. What book did you do? It
was a new UM sci fi book that just came out.

(08:05):
It was it was myself and Will Wheaton because it
was a dual kind of narrated different Yes, yes, um cool.
So this episode was written by Ed Dector and directed
by the incredible mcg and it aired on January twelve.
Now do we do? We want to watch little bits

(08:27):
like how does this? How does the episode open? What happens?
I watched it yesterday and I remember being upset that
the first face you see is Matt's face. Well, I
wanted to talk to you about this because do you
remember the original script for the pilot UM started with
the flashback of young Clary and Jocelyn at the lake,
and then we sat down mcg who is our executive

(08:48):
producer and brilliant director. He directed our first episode. He
sat us down for that round table and we were
able to sit down as a cast and talk through
the entire episode. And it was such a great moment
because we were are really given carte blanche to throw
out opinions and say anything that we thought we in
that moment, I don't remember who said it, maybe it

(09:08):
was Mucchi, but we decided to rearrange the entire pilot.
That sounds like mc gee. That sounds like McGee. McGee.
McGee's a genius and he comes in with these ideas
every now and then and it's just like, hey, we're
doing this, and I'm like, okay, that's mental, but sure,
we will trust you. So let's let's do it. It's great.

(09:28):
Start in the middle. That's where stories should start, right
in the middle. You got it literally what he said. Yeah,
that's literally what he said. He said, we should start
with the shadow hunters on the hunt, hunting the demon
in the in what is the distillery district of Toronto.
But it was such a brilliant idea because then you
get that moment where you're thrown into the into the fray,
as it were, into the middle of everything. Then it

(09:51):
cuts back ten hours earlier and you're going, wait, this
is the most exciting part of the episode. You see
Clary and Jason meat for the first time, and then
it cuts and your left kind of with that suspense. Yeah,
shall we dive in. Let's let's do it. So it's
not even Matt. Matt's not the first one. It's the demon,
the older guy in the glasses, that's the first one.
We see he was the face of Shadow and he

(10:13):
didn't even know. He didn't even know. Okay, so for
those listening, the show opens and we're in New York City.
We see a man at a concession stand that is
apparently being tracked, and not just by one person, by
a few people who seemed to be magical. Interesting. This

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is our first time, seemed dumb also known as Jace
Harrendale and Matthew Jadario and Emerald Tabia as Alec and
Isabel Lightwood are super siblings. And of course then Jace
runs right into Clary yours truly instant chemistry right down,
absolutely couldn't. I'll never forget the first time we saw

(10:53):
this footage was it New York Comics. We were standing
behind the screen, so we saw it as a mirror image,
and it was I'd never I hadn't seen any of
the show yet, I hadn't even seen a you know,
a single clip, and it was so exciting. We'd all
poured so much into this and and it had been
our life for the last six months, and there it was,
and we could hear the reactions of the really quite

(11:16):
special to be able to hear that people they tell
us that this is exciting and this you know, it's
a popular show and whatever. And we also knew that
the movie had been done once before and people didn't
really respond to it how they had hoped, and you
just don't know. You don't know what's going to happen.
So to hear a response of people that I feel
like it was whole Ah, wasn't it in San Diego? No,

(11:36):
we were in New York. We're in New York. Oh,
that's right, we were in New York. But I know
that it was standing room only at the at the
panel our for very first panel up there were there
just shoulder checked me right away, Yeah, you're in the way.
Although it is pretty disrespectful of Jace to, like, if
he's aware that people can't see him, to not get

(11:57):
out of the way, and then and then to be
like indignant about the fact that I just checked this
girl and she's like hey, and he's like, actually, that
should have been my fault. I should have gotten out
of your way, because you literally shouldn't have known that
I was there. The fact that you could see me
was a surprised to me. So it was very like,
I wonder how many people he does that too, who
have gone home that day and been like, I think

(12:18):
I'm insane. I think I'm insane person because someone definitely
brushed by me today. But I was in the shower,
not that Jason was not in the shower. I just
that's not what I meant. I just meant. What I
meant was just a place where you would definitely be
on your own. And the first thing that came to
here was a shower. But obviously Jason wasn't watching people shower.
That would have been super creepy unless they're demons. Unless

(12:39):
they're a demon, But if they were a demon, they'd
be able to see me. That's true, unless you were
glamored tricky. These are conversations that we would have, like
in the hallways of the institute fairly often like oh,
could you but couldn't you do this? You'd be like, no,
you can't do this because of this or what about this?
So you can't do that because you said this. This
is why we're also obsessed with the shadow world, because

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we literally spent so many years trying to logic everything
out and going, you know, all the what ifs of
the world. Yeah, and you and Alberto coming in with like, well,
remember in the books, And I'm like, calm down with that.
I'm barely getting to grips with the script. Just can
you tell me what my last name is for this
scene and then let's be done with it. Don't tell
me what happens in books six. I don't need to
know that. Be fair, we all have we all have

(13:21):
far too many last names in this series, at least
you and I. What did you you went through? Three?
Very fair child, Morgan Stern? Yeah, yeah, three. Yeah. We
don't need to do a kill count. We need to
do a last name count. That's what we should really do.
So many last names people went through. Yeah, who's related
to who? At this point in the story. Something else
I wanted to bring up is I think it's I
find it very kind of first season indicative that your

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first thing that you filmed is this badass shadow hunter
on the Hunt. And the first thing that I filmed
this Clary was that scene walking into the Brooklyn Academy
of Art. And I'll never forget my first yeah, my
first day on set ever, as Clary was walking into
that build with my portfolio in hand, and the first
words I ever said is Clary was high I'm Clari Frey.

(14:05):
That's pretty cool, And that moment was so all encompassing,
and you know, all the work that we'd put in,
all the long audition process, everything, you and I had
worked so hard to kind of own these roles and
be able to say I am Clary and I am
Jason to start off like that. Our A d s
always did this to us, though they always sort of
scheduled things in a very fortuitous way. Well, because Silick

(14:28):
was doing a lot of it in season one, was
he not? Silick, who was then an assistant director, was
in charge of a lot of it. I mean, he's
a dad in real life and sort of became a
bit of a dad slash buddy to all of us,
and he was kind of the guy that you would
go to if anything was wrong, or he would see
it a lot of times and he would be like, oh, no,
we should do like you say, we should do this
scene now because it's going to mean a lot to

(14:50):
cat or it's going to mean a lots of dom
or like we should do this first because this is
going to be tricky to be followed by this or
whatever it is. They were, They were so caring about us.
You know, there's a I think there'll be a lot
of people listening to this who delve more into this,
which is really exciting, But there were a lot of
people listening who don't know what it's icon set. You
see the finished product and you see little bits of
sort of behind the scenes stuff, and I think it's

(15:12):
really important to note that the guys who worked on
this show went above and beyond every day of the
week for as far back as I can remember. From
day one, it was a group of people willing to
go through kind of hellen back, especially season one when
we were pulling. You know, they were like thirty something
days where I didn't didn't stop filming. I was doing
something every day for thirty days. You must have been

(15:35):
the same because we were always together. It was days
every day. Nowadays it was relentance and we were in
coming winter. And season one we didn't really experience a
proper winter though, do we no, Because we shot through
the summer. It was it was like April to November
or something. And then season two is when we hit

(15:55):
a good winter or we dove right into the mid
stip it first. Later on that's going to come like
episode to get there fourteen of the podcast, when we
can really delve into what it was like to film
in the Torontoni in winter. It was really but I
will I'll second what you were saying though. It's something
that I always try and express about the Shadow families.

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You know, we have this incredible fandom and we have
all of this, but it really started with that family
that we had on set. And I've never been on
a set like that before or since, where every single
department really is a cohesive unit and cares and shares
resources and information and everyone was there setting ego aside
every single day to create and tell a story and

(16:40):
to work together to build this world from the inside out.
And it made it such a special process because it
went beyond you know, doing a good job, but also
taking care of the people that were there and the
family that was working so hard every single day to
build this this world totally, totally, And on the note
of building this world, I just want to talk a
bit about delays. They were a major part of our show, um,

(17:04):
but they were also new to us. They were a
new thing we hadn't seen or worked with before. So
just even talking about the words stell a number one
that conversation about how to pronounce it properly probably took
a week. Oh my goodness, is it a steel? Is
it a Steely? It was none of those things. It
was a Stelle. And that's another thing that we got
to decide, like how do you say that. We're going

(17:24):
to say it like this, That's how we're going to
say it. And fragile season one they were fragile, very
very fragile. Yes, we broke so many How many did
we break? I know, I know my count I know what.
I know how many I broke because I got yelled
out for it by the props department. I know I
broke at least three because I kept putting them in
my back pocket and setting on them and sitting there.
I didn't have them as much. They were not designed

(17:46):
when I didn't use them very much. You didn't know.
We did kind of skip over the a few things
that happened. I just want to jump back and address
the Simon Lewis of it all we saw for the
first time and is too and it's so tough now
because we've seen the show, we know what happens. See this,
like sweet little Simon Lewis with his Glasses is just

(18:07):
desperately in love with his best friend, and I know
what happens to him. We all know what happens to him.
And it's all I think of is that one scene
that makes me cry, and you know what that is,
and I'll bring it up when we get to that
episode with his much. I think it's the most the
most gorgeous thing. And I think we were so blessed
to have Alberto get that role. And you know what,
I knew Alberto was gonna get this role. And here's

(18:29):
how I knew when I turned up, so you will
remember this. But for the fans who haven't heard this
story before, I was cast. First, thank you very much, um.
And then I had to come in and read with
the claries. And there was three rounds of claries. There
was an initial person and then they didn't do she

(18:49):
wasn't right. And then we found a new group of people.
I think it was like six or seven of them
audition with all of them, nobody was quite right. All
very talented actors, but nobody was quite right. And then
the last group and Cat obviously in that last group,
and blew everyone away, and she was our clary. And
that was the end of it. That day, they were
also auditioning I want to say, the dizz Ease and
the Simons and the Simons, and there were three potential

(19:11):
Simons and they were, you know, sat in this room,
and it's it's not a fun experience auditioning anyway, especially
when they put you in a room and you can
see the guys that you're auditioning with, like, oh, this
guy is better looking at me, and so is this guy,
and that's annoying and maybe I'm making the wrong choices
or whatever. But Alberto was the only one wearing glasses,
who was the only only actor who knew enough about
Simon Lewis that he was wearing glasses, and he turned

(19:33):
up wearing glasses, and I was like, that kid is
going to get this role, and I hope this kid
gets this role. I had a similar experience because I
was in that whole round of That was our final
screen test that you were at, but we had a
few other kind of chemistry tests and and different producer
rounds before that. And I remember walking in the first
time and seeing the Dizzyase and seeing the Simons and

(19:55):
the Clary's and I looked around the room and I
saw Alberto and just in my head suddenly I went, well,
there's Simon Lewis, because he just had the Simon entered.
I mean, you know, we know Alberto now and how
what how much work he does is and after and
what an extensive, you know, amount of of prep he
puts into things. But he just had the energy and
the look and he was exactly on point, and you

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just knew. And he was the only other person who
It was actually Taylor Mallory as well, that was in
the audition room with all of us kind of checking
everybody in, Yeah, who's now one of our writers, But
at the time she was a writer's room assistant, and
Alberto and myself and Taylor were the only three that
were kind of talking about the books and bantering back
and forth, and it just it made sense from that time.

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He was the guy. He was the guy from minute one.
He was the guy. Did you know that Alberto and
I kept a list of band names throughout the entire series?
What did you should talk about this when oh the
ones we actually used in the band? Well it started
with that because in the books, Simon's Band goes through
a whole list of names from Champagne Enema, which we

(21:00):
see in this episode two Rocks, the horrendous band name
by the way. Yeah. Well then rock Solid Panda, which
everyone knows amazing, it's my favorite one. I celeb a
T shirt. Oh of course, I wear it all the time.
Everybody's like, oh, is that a band? I go, yes,
it is. My friends bands fantastic. Also, lawn Chair Crisis
is another one from the books, and there's a whole list,

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but we started coming up with them as well, and
it all started with this first scene that we shot.
It had to do with the Biscotti that disappeared into
the paper. But Ambidextrous Biscotti was the first band name
that was tough to say, Ambat ambat, Nope, say that
three times fast indeed. And then we also very quickly
get to see this sort of um first bit of

(21:43):
magic foreshadowing as we see the Biscotti disappear, disappear. I
never really understood why you had that ability. Well, we'll
get into that in episode seven. We we do talk
about well, now I know I know what illicit story wise,
but I never really understood that you were the only
shadow and too you could do it. And also we
don't really make much use of it. Ever, there are

(22:05):
so many opportunities where we could have been, like, let's
smuggle this thing in in a playing card, let's or
you know, let's crumple up a piece of paper that
has an image of our swords on it and then
just get there and have her pull out our swords.
That'd be sick. It would have been really useful in
the seely court or so many times. It would have
been so useful, so many times. But let's get back

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to the episode. Okay. So now we are at a
crime scene and we see the one and only Isaiah
Mustafa as Luke get away with a woman on the ground.
Her body has been drained of blood as we see,
and his police dog is barking up a storm, well
at least until he looks at it. Poor lady, poor
dead lady on the super uncomfortable gravel man. Get that shot.

(22:51):
The first shot of Isaiah is just so the most
Isaiah shot. Isaiah maybe one of the most photogenic human
beings alive. Like, there's no it's true there. I've seen
so many photos of the group of us together and
normally one of us look shitty, like there's a point
where one of us looks like someone's not looking at
the camera or like I got distracted. But it's normally me.

(23:13):
But Isaiah always flawless. I've never seen him take a
bad picture. Actually, that's actually quite irritating. I wish I
want to see one. I want to see a bad
photo of Isaiah. You know, I just don't exists. I
don't think it exists. Look at him with this sexy
toure grave and that this is something you'll and Aleric

(23:33):
and Aleric Joel LaBelle, who plays Aleric Joel Bell is
up there with some of the funniest men I've ever
met in my entire life. He also the what you
should know about Joel A. Bell is he's like a
real life stuntman, but not on camera. He just he
has a parachute and we'll climb buildings and jump off
them because he's just literal psychopath. So you should come

(23:56):
with me. One he has he does have a wingsuit. Yeah,
my goodness. Yeah, what a looney tune. Oh and Vargas.
We met Vargas as well, Yes, Detective Vargas played by
Lisa Marcos, who also was so lovely, and we didn't
get to see enough of on the show. We'll talk
about why later. Now we're moving on to see Dot

(24:35):
Dot for the very first time. Dot has a rough episode.
Let's be fully honest, Poor Dot, Poor Vanessa. There's a
lot that happens to her here and we're in the
rewatch episode, so I'm gonna spoiler alert if you haven't
seen it, but like she has thrown out window and
she gets poisoned. It really doesn't set up the whole
concept of, you know, shadow hunters protecting the good guys
and foreshadowing. A lot of times we don't. We're not

(24:58):
the best of our jobs sometimes m hm, but we try,
we do our best. I loved this antique shop that
we shot out. I always wanted to go back and
actually look at what it was in its Yeah, it's
actual iteration, how much it's allowed to be used of
So this is obviously was a real antique shop. But
they don't. I'm guessing they didn't strip everything out of it.
They might have had to because it later on when

(25:21):
with the rain Towers, they destroyed a lot of it. Interesting, interesting, Interesting,
when the bad guys come through, they kind of because
I know so like on other shows, and again you know,
for any and all listeners who I don't know what
it's like shooting on a location. There's two ways of
shooting a TV show. You shoot in a studio and

(25:41):
they custom build whatever it is inside of the studio.
So the Institute is a good example. The Institute they
had built from the ground up to be just the
Shadow Hunters Institute. This obviously is on location, so it's
a real functioning antique store. And there are times in
which obviously not in this case, but there are times
in where which a lot of whatever that antique story

(26:02):
is is just the antique store. So we, for example,
we just shot in the Plaza for Partner Track, and
I don't think there's any world in which they're like, well,
let's take out all of this stuff from the plaza
and put in all of our stuff in you know,
the middle of New York rush hour. That doesn't really happen.
So a lot of the stuff that was there is
just the accoutrement of the plaza. And I guess it's
interesting because you know the other thing that I think

(26:23):
audience members forget when when it comes to TV shows
is the only actors who are there who see these
places that the actors who are in the scene, we're
never filming in that location, we never see this place.
There's a lot of times that changes will be made
on set. We get there and oh, the couch is
in the wrong place, or like we're not allowed to
move this, or we can't touch this, or we can't

(26:44):
shoot this way because the light coming in the window
or whatever it is. So they change things, you know,
as they're going. So there are times when we cap
me whoever will watch the scenes and go, oh, that
is not how that was written and not how I
expected that to be at all. As there's complete surprise,
which I can only talk from my point of view.
But normally that's quite nice because you're like, I'm watching
this for the first time with everyone. I get to

(27:05):
experience this for the first time. I know vaguely what
the words are going to be, but the actual action
of the whole thing is new to me, and that's
really cool. That's why I always loved on our show
that we did table reads for every episode, because you
get to hear, especially for the Malik stuff and the
storyline that you and I didn't quite get to be
around all the time, and get to see being shot.
We heard what the episode was in its first iteration

(27:28):
and then got to watch it with the audience for
the first time and to see kind of the arc
of where it started and where it ended up. A
little bit of magic for using about that. It is
so similar to the fans. It's so similar to being
a fan of the book and reading the book and
not knowing what's going to be on screen and then
seeing it happen on screen. You're right, the table reads
is a very similar parallel to that. We missed stuff.

(27:49):
We went off in a tangent again and we missed
stuff we did. Poor Joscelyn is never going to get introduced.
Now we we got this. So now we get to
meet the one and only Jocelyn Fairshone Love for a Also,
this apartment was actually above the antique store. It's one
of the few sets that it exists as it actually
did in life in our show. And the Stella, the

(28:11):
wonderful gift that her mother gives. It's an heirloom, just
just a just a general general heirloom. Clary. Of course,
it's got a paper weight. It's the most useless paper
weight they've seen one of life. Who makes a paper weight,
a stick shape. Maybe the fair Child's do or the
phrase in this point was evidently not. It's all. But
this shot where I'm putting on the jacket for the
first time was actually shot in the Jade Wolf. They

(28:33):
put a mirror and hung a curtain because they needed
that in between shot, so they shot it later on
at the end of the season when we did all
of the shots ten years ago. Okay, we are now
in Jocelyn's flashback where Clary is just a little girl
innocently playing in somebody of water in Central Park when
a demon jumps out at her. Jocelyn saves Clary and

(28:56):
rushes her to the home of Magnus Baine, the one
and only Harry shim Jew here because she wants him
to take away Clary's memories great parenting, solid parenting, a plush.
You should write a book there. He is, I mean,
Magnus Spain at his best, his best, that always I
was always. It's so in awe of Harry and the

(29:18):
way that he created from day one, Magnus movement in
the magic, and the way it kind of adapted as
the years went on. It couldn't have been done. I
don't think one any better, and too, I don't think
it could have been done by someone who wasn't such
a talented dancer. You can see it in every motion
he does in in even the even the minuscule movements

(29:38):
are so immaculate. I think the only person who could
have done that is it is an impeccable dancer, and
Harry ticked that part. I think the only person who
could have done that as Harry honestly, just the way
that he thinks about things and what he adds to it.
I also love when now we're watching the scene where
Luke gives Clary spray paint and they have the third
conversation that we see where they ago, hey, Clary, be careful.

(30:02):
The world isn't safe. Something's going to happen to you,
which you know you'd think if your kid was Potentially
we take some risks on this show because also Luke's
a cop, Like he's not just what we find out
later on, but he's a cop. It would have been
very easy for him to just be like, hey, guys,
can you tell all this girl for the day around
New York? Like New York's a crazy place anyway, but

(30:24):
there's a high chance that she might get attacked. Could
you please just follow this girl around? But ridd only
this equally, So if he had done that, he's risking
the cops seeing any kind of weird. Well, they wouldn't
have seen it, though if they were human, they wouldn't
have seen it, but they would have seen something. They
would have seen you acting or weird. I suppose also
the cops might have been in somewhat mortal danger. True,

(30:47):
because the demons and such at that point really were
very much disregarding human life in any in any way,
shape or form, the kind of always do. To be honest,
we never really reached a point where demons are like, oh,
well this one go. You know, they all kind of suck.
They just became more monsterly later, like season two on,
they became more like creatures rather than demons that look

(31:09):
like people. You know, they focused more on attacking other
members of the down world as well. Unless the mundane
is kind of faded into the background. Where was the church?
I don't remember. I remember filming outside the church vividly,
but I remember where it was, so I found it
a couple of years later. I walked by because the
camera store I used to go to to get my

(31:30):
film developed was right across the street, and I remember
turning around coming out of the film store and it
was right there in front of me, like it just appeared.
It really did, like it was de glamoured in front
of my eyes. We have a lovely scene we meet
Maureen where Simon and Clary are sitting on top of
the what we liked to call the Panda van in
the end of a sim band van that one, honestly

(31:53):
for a van that would barely start and smelt like
a petrol bomb. Did really we used that van in
season three? I think like it's stuck it out we did.
Somehow it lived a long life on the shadow set.
All right, pop Evan, I'm assuming it's broken down by
now eight years later. Probably it's on some other set

(32:15):
having been repainted. Yeah, it really could be. Okay, So
now we are at the part where Clary tells Simon
and Maureen that her life couldn't be more mundane Freddie foreshadowing,
and we find out that she really doesn't know that
much about her family history. Maureen finds that pretty sketchy
and says that Jocelyn must be hiding a deep, dark
secret and look at that we cut to a shot

(32:38):
of Jocelyn at home pulling out the world's biggest sword
with the air and grace of a true shadow hunter.
Look at those swords. The retractable swords were cool. So
I remember talking about this. I asked McGee about this,
because I can't remember. I think McGee it was McGee's
idea to have them retract into the handle, and we

(32:59):
were talking about what the what it's going to look like,
and this is what we ended up going with. I
think is really cool. And then obviously we changed the
whole thing. Look my personal opinion, I think we can
get a little more, a little more free with this.
Like it's not it's they're not going to fire me
from this show, you know what I mean. It's so
we're done. Like I can. I think I can say

(33:20):
whatever I want. I didn't like those sorts at all.
They were a nightmare, and every time we would fight
with them, a little bit would chip off and then
they would grind them down again, so they look sharper.
So if you watch over the course of the show,
over these thirteen episodes, my sword ends up about and
in shorter than it started. Because the only way to
get that edge again. The only way to get that
edge again was to grind it back down and get

(33:41):
that get the little kinks out of it. So they
would grind the sword back down and that takes the
tip a little smaller every time. And they were fiberglass,
weren't they. They were fiberglass with a flashlight in the hand,
with a flashlight, and the flashlights kept dying. Gragile. They
were so fragile. It was so fragile we couldn't actually
have any impact when we were fighting with them. So
you had to kind of remember the big ones used

(34:02):
to fly off and because they would shatter at the
handle and the blade would just fly off directly past
your face. Yeah, that was the whole thing that was.
And they're like, well, just be more careful. What do
you mean, be more with the swords? What do you mean?
This is just one of many things on our show
that we had to learn and work out the kinks
and figure out what. Yeah, but literally and figuratively speaking

(34:26):
of rolling with punches, we are to the tracking shot
that was McGee's brainchild. So far ahead of me, I'm
at shirtless Simon. That's just where I keep it though.
That's just that's I've put a bookmark in there. That's
just where I go straight to shirtless Simon fun little
bts of Alberto. He was it season two. He came
back and was in the most incredible shape anyone's ever seen.

(34:48):
And it was season two or two. Big. Yeah, he
actually looked like a bodybuilder. He was in such good
shape that they had to be like Hayman and they
told him he was too big for a particular reason. Yes,
he didn't look like Simon Lewis. That didn't look like
Simon Lewis. He but he looked amazing. I mean, yes,
I've never seen I mean that man was in such
good shape muscles. It was crazy. Yes, And also Alberto

(35:12):
is the kind of person. He's such an athlete. He
can like sneeze at a at a dumbbell and suddenly
he's in the best shape of his life. But also
this is something I was so thrilled to be around
all of you guys, because I had never really trained
before in any sense of I mean, I've been a
dancer my whole life, but I hadn't trained physically in

(35:32):
a gym with weights, or done martial arts or anything
like that. And so to be surrounded by all of
you guys that were so motivated and worked so hard
and kind of let you know, the little sister tag
along to the gym. It was the only reason that
I stayed so motivated, you and you guys. And no, no,
and no, yeah, great, new to salis our personal trainer. Well,
I mean we didn't really, we didn't really train in

(35:55):
martial arts until season two. Season two is when we
really started, like there was no chnique to what we
were doing in season one and tool and again we
will get into that later, So make sure you come
back for episode fourteen. So much foreshadowing, so much foreshadowing. Listen,
you've got to bring the people back. You've got to
give them what they want. You're going to bring the
people back. You're all coming back the shadows again and again.

(36:17):
Oh poor Maureen, paor Maureen with her little looks to Simon.
She loved Simon, She really did Simon again, I mean,
how can you not love Simon? How can you not
love Simon? I stand to reason that Clary made the
wrong choice all the way through. Well, we'll debate that
later on. We can debate that later. Yeah, and now
we're repainting the van. Very quick paint. Quickest quickest spray

(36:39):
painters I've ever seen in my entire life. You do
and to sprays to total sprays. Yet the full name
of it up there, The Angelic Rooon is up there,
and also the name of the band in like fourteen
different colors. And literally all you did was and shoulder
check once again. Yeah, way I got business, lady. I

(37:03):
do love the pun of Pandemonium with the flashing in
the middle. I want't know whose idea that was. It's
in this a lot, it's in I just rewatched it
yesterday and it's it's it's not so much a subtle
hint as it is like, this is what our shows about,
and it's pretty constant. Demon here, Demon demon Demon, Watch out,
demon demon Demon. It's also a very on the street

(37:25):
outside of club in New York interaction of would you
watch where you're going? Does that actually work? Kidding me? All?
Very very New York I fun bts here. I think
I ended up getting banned from this bar after we
finished filming. There was this one of them. You know,
I didn't know if you wanted to talk about. I
know we got asked to leave once for a silly

(37:46):
reason though it was such a guy was rude. He
we were playing pool and he kept taking the triangle
away from us, which, for anyone who doesn't know what
Paul is, it's a triangle shaped piece of plastic that
you arranged the balls in at the beginning. And he
kept taking it away from us, and I was, I
do We're playing pool and we need that, and eventually
put it behind the bar, like I'm seven years old.
So I popped over the bar and I grabbed it,

(38:07):
and he was not a fan of that, and before
we knew it out we went. It was like fresh
Prince of bel Air by like the back of my
trousers and the scrub of my neck out of the door. Cool.
I guess we're not coming back here. I mean I
think we still went back after the film there, which
was very funny. Did we go? I think we did
one more time. I don't remember. It was all a blur,

(38:28):
but I remember that bar was always it sort of
looks like this. It looks exactly like, yeah, yeah, let's facelicks.
Oh Albert got his face licked this day. Yeah. I
feel like we should talk about that with Alberto. We
should or with mcg because did that to people faally
did surprised people? Yeah? McGee licked zero faces as far

(38:50):
as I'm aware, did we. Ever, I'm trying to remember
what the Mundane blood was for. What was the purpose?
I think it was just for tests, isn't it because
he was trying to turn. The whole thing is he's
trying to turn Mundanes and shadow Hunters. Draining Mundanes of
blood and testing that blood, I think just experimentation in general.

(39:11):
Supplies he's low and supplies. Amazon's Adam and Dane blood. Yeah,
I gotta get somewhere. Awards Amazon's like four night and
nine for two day delivery, No, thank you, I'm gonna
get my own. They don't deliver to Chernobyl. They don't,
I would imagine. I would imagine they don't deliver to Chernobyl.
There's a bunch of things that we didn't really end
up putting in the show because there's so much like

(39:34):
fight scenes and like these shots that take on a
really long time. But like the fact that we never
catered for the fact that like shadow Hunters are immune
to radiation. That was a big one. Just like why
is he in Chronobyl? That's how is he not debt
that's insane, just like shadow answers are fine, I don't
worry about it. Also, wouldn't the mundane blood be irradiated
and therefore no longer a control substance for this experiment

(39:57):
that he's running. The only like if it was ever
a success and he turned and he amalgamated angel blood
and human blood, the only reason, or potentially one of
the reasons for that would be the fact that it
was irradiated. Maybe that's why the experiments didn't work. Maybe
that's the one that was the thing that he never
was into account activity that he didn't need. Fun Note
here we're at the scene where I come up behind

(40:18):
the demon lady in the pink dress, and she's really tall,
and she was taller than me or she I think
she was about my height. So when you come into
the heels they put and then they put her on heels,
so when you come into the scene, you link arms
with bodybuild a guy and I walk up to and
you can see that the height is off. And then
they had a take off her heels and she's about
four inches shorter, so it was too small. Funny, I

(40:43):
never knew that I noticed it yesterday and I remember
it sort of. It harkered back these feelings to me
of how like my first day doing my first big
fight scene of anything I've ever done in my career,
and I was like, this is embarrassing. This is an
embarrassing way to start this, and they're gonna have to
ask the girl to like bend a kny so I
don't look so fucking short. You think they could do

(41:03):
something with the camera, But that's think they made it work.
Remember doing that, You remember doing the police thing, the
slide across the floor for three hours? Yeah? Yeah, that
was the first time I've ever done a pull stunt
like that. You know. It's it's I think back to
this and it's so interesting to see and remember what
it was like to shoot these fight scenes when we

(41:24):
hadn't It wasn't wrote for us, It wasn't a normal oppeurrence.
This is the thing that people don't realize about fight
scenes very often, is that you do them again and
again and again and again and again, same as you
do every scene in the show or a movie or whatever.
You just keep doing them over and over and the
adrenaline is going wash you're filming them, which is great,
and you can just kind of power through whatever it is.
You know, obviously nobody wants to get injured. But I

(41:46):
remember Darren telling us once that, like, you, we will
take care of you if you're injured, but like, don't
come to me every time you get a bruise or
a graze on your knuckles. And I'm like, fair enough, cool.
If you want to do your own stunts, you've got
to you know, you've got to suck it up every
now and then, Yeah, it's the next day. The next day.
That's rough because every you know, winning your head every
time you get hit, and it feels like you've got whiplash,
like all down your back and your neck and your arms.

(42:08):
Everything hurts, everything hurts. And then when we moved to
the heavier swords, the real the good swords. Those were
heavy and it wasn't heavy to hold them necessarily, but
the impact when someone hit your sword, that would vibrate
down into your arms, so your forearms would hurt and
your fingers would hurts, like you're rock climbing. And I
think people don't. People don't. I mean, there's no way

(42:28):
they could know unless they've done one of these scenes.
There's no way that they could know that. It's exhausting,
absolutely exhausting. And my favorite fight scenes that we did
are the ones like where we were all together, the
ones that I did on my own word. They were fun,
you know, I really enjoyed them, and you know, with
a stunt person, but like these stunt people are in
such amazing shape that they're like and I'm fine enough,

(42:49):
felt fine the next day, and I'm like, I need normal,
non superhuman beings to do these fight scenes with so
I can complain to someone the next day that I'm
in pain. You know that was Yes, it does feel
a bit like you've been hit by a mack truck
the next day. But it's the best feeling, you know,
because you know you've you've put all of yourself and
your blood, sweat and tears out into that scene and

(43:09):
just you kind of leave it all out on the stadio,
does it were? And you know, it's such a gratifying
feeling because you wake up the next day and you're like,
I can't turn off my alarm, I can't get out
of bed. If I agree with that, But what we did,
I mean, ideah, there's a huge sense of achievement. But
I feel it's you have had a sneaky hangover? Do
you know a sneaky hangovers? I have not had a

(43:29):
sneak had a sneaky hangover. Sneaky hangover when it's a
very sneaky hangover where you either there's two ways of
getting one. One you black out completely and you don't
remember the rest of the night, and then you wake
up and Ben you're like, oh, I'm fine, and then
all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, no,
I'm not. Or you you didn't drink as much as
you thought you didn't. You were like, I was fine
when I got home, and then all of a sudden,

(43:52):
you're not. That's what it feels like to me in
the morning is after these fight scenes, you wake up
and you're like, I'm fine. I know every part my
body hurts. What's going on? They're like sneaky hangovers? No,
I never experienced that. That's kind of it's hysterical. We'll
do it, we'll do it soon. Okay, So this is fun.

(44:29):
So we are still in the Pandemonium Club and Clary
has found herself in the middle of a fight between
shadow Hunters and between demons, and she is looking very
angsty at a glow in the dark sword about to
have someone rammed onto it. Oh my goodness, how many
hours did we spend talking about the logistics of this
one moment where Clary picks up the steward, When does

(44:50):
the sword extent? Because again, we didn't know the rules yet.
You know, by the end of the show we all
knew exactly how the swords worked, exactly how fight seems worked,
what the rules were, how demons disappeared. But at this
point this is the first one. Was the first one,
the first demon we killed, isn't it? Oh? No, I
killed killed the pretty lady in the pink dress. I
think I killed her already. In fact, I know I

(45:11):
did because I get her as I push you away,
so I know that. But there's the thing I thought
was so interesting about this was the logistics of like
free Form and Netflix, what was allowed to be seen
on camera because they had they had an issue with
a sword penetrating through a body of something that looks human,

(45:32):
because we're allowed to do it to demons. From the beginning,
we were allowed to do it to demons, were allowed
to put a sword through anything that wasn't I don't
know if anything that wasn't human is correct, because I
can't imagine we'd be allowed to do it to like
an animal or a pet or whatever. That wouldn't be
very nice, but anything, but if it looked like a monster, correct,
we were allowed to do it. And we were like, well,
these guys are monsters and they're like, but they look

(45:53):
like humans, so are we allowed to do it? And
we didn't know. We didn't know until we saw it
and we were like, oh, yep, there it is out
of the back of this guy right. Well, because that
was the whole debate is we can see the sword
go in, but we can't see it go out the
other side's back and was going but we have to
we have to see it. It has to be this moment.
And then but didn't they solve it by him dissolving

(46:15):
before as as the sword went through he turned to
dust I think I think that was the loophole. That's interesting,
that's very interesting. I could be wrong, but I believe
that we'll have to ask. I have a pet peeve
about how what happens to Jason in I very nearly
said it spoiler alert. I'm not going to spoil anything.
But also I might end of season two. Yeah, I

(46:37):
have a pet peeve about what happened there because in
the script it was very different, and I wonder if
that was the reason. Oh my gosh, you could be
because it was supposed to my you know, I wonder.
But all of that, none of that's interesting On a
podcast where you can't see what we're doing, that's interesting too.

(46:57):
We're going to get foreshadowing foreshadow and bring the thing
that the thing and the guy and the person in
the place and the rock, remember the rock, the bouncy rock.
It's all going to make sense. We're not talking about
the bouncy rocket. We're back to blue Eyed demon man untangenting,
back to our main course of discussion. But that that's

(47:20):
what it was. We had so much time that we
had to go, Okay, does the sword extend as soon
as I pick it up? Does it take a minute?
Do I have to do something to it for it
to activate without knowing it? And in the end I
think the decision was made that it's because it senses
the shadow Hunter to DNA, Yeah, just touching it and
then it extends and then comes go on, ask me

(47:42):
a question, Well, my question for you in this particular
instance which I never I never knew because I was
so focused on, you know, hitting the mark and making
sure the sword is in the right place. Did Jason
see the sword and put the demon on the sword
on purpose? Or was it a oh I'm turning this
way and there's the know it was it was intentional.
That was the plan, and I think, let me see.

(48:04):
I think you see it because he tries to. I
tried to take it off you and then get grabbed
and then lots of fighting. Cool, really cool moment. One
of my favorite moments of this fight scene is the
sword toss between Alec and Jace. You guys came up
with that, didn't you actually think it was Alex? Alex,
I think it was Matt's idea. It was Mad's idea

(48:26):
because you were trying to establish the Parabatite bond. Yeah,
pre even mentioning what that. I don't think we mentioned
that bond until like episode four or five. It doesn't
come up until much later. But we knew what it was,
and we knew that that's the relationship that they have,
and then in fact, when we spoke about it, it it
was going to be unspoken. It was going to be
the fact that he could feel that I was in

(48:47):
trouble and we rehearsed it for a long time that
he just threw and I caught it without even looking
at it because we know what each other are doing
at all times. And he tossed, grabbed that the thing,
threw it back and that took some real work, but
this was a cool moment for us. This was a
cool like, you know, we know where these characters are

(49:07):
going to go, we know who they are, we know
who they are to each other, so let us And
that's a big difference between us where we are as
established shadow answers and how you came into this world.
You didn't really have those relationships initially, you know, you
didn't have those where it's like I know how I
feel about this person, I know how this is and
how this is. You developed clearly developed those relationships. Whereas

(49:29):
with us, which was quite interesting, is they sort of
thrust us in with like two weeks of knowing each
other and they're like you three best friends. You don't
like her images going to come in later on. Not
a huge fan, but question mark, you know what I mean.
There was all of these things that had to had
to just sort of exist. And again, you know, the
credit to having a cast like this, It just fell

(49:51):
into place. You know, it's it is just something that
has existed within us for it or it felt like
it did because it had existed within us for however long,
which was really lovely. It was a really nice thing
to do. Absolutely, and I had a similar experience with
Alberto and Isaiah, you know, having you know, those are
the two relationships of the series regular cast that Clary

(50:13):
has had for most of, if not her whole life.
And it's something that Alberto and I used to do.
At the beginning of a scene where we were talking
about a memory, we would kind of create that for
the two of us and figure out exactly what that
was so that you know, when we mentioned in the
scene or we you know, we spent so long talking
about what their childhood was like and the things that
they used to do together and trying to create as

(50:34):
many memories, or at least mutual ideas of memories as
we could during that time. And I think Isaiah just
became dad to all of us very quickly, just by
nature of who he is, Yeah, very very quickly. And
the double kill. I love the double kill at the
double pair of a tide kill. The double kill was
very cool. I also find it interesting Clary just runs

(50:56):
away from the scene of having people killed. Someone. Wouldn't
you just high tail it? That's what I would do.
Oh my god, there's all this chaos going on, and
also there's got to be a strange feeling to like
eight dead people and then going out and everyone's just
boogying still, you know what I mean, Like nobody heard
any of this going on. Nobody heard It's just like
just death everywhere, and then everyone is just good. I mean,

(51:18):
Clary kind of goes through it from this point till
the end of this episode. For the first few episodes,
I realized as I was rewatching from from following Jay's
following the hot guy into the bar. Everything, it's always
a mistake. So that was a very cute little compliment
you through in there, and thank you very much. That
was a nice stroking of my ego. And I appreciate that.
Thank you. You're welcome. That's what I'm here for. Thank you,

(51:40):
thank you very much. But then you know, on top
of eight dead people, maybe I just killed a guy
bump into you know, club owner or who I would
assume to be the guy who's running this place and
have a strange flashback of of totally magic moment and
weird memories that are starting to come back. Yeah, you
a lot going on. Poor Clary has got a lot

(52:01):
going on. And I just ditched Simon. Yeah rude, super rude.
For sure. Best friends should have been like, hey man,
there's some weird stuff going on in here. We should
just we should dip leave the apple Teeny's let's just
let's boo boo, let's go. But you know, maybe maybe
it was her way of setting up Simon and Maureen. Yeah,
I don't know. That seems like a bit of a stretch,

(52:22):
but sure a little bit. I have an issue with
this scene as well, with Jocelyn in the apartment. Right. So,
now we're back at the Fray House and Clary is
naturally pretty upset by what just happened at the club
and is trying to recount it to Joscelyn while still
being in a little bit of shock. Surely, but just
as Jocelyn starts to realize that she probably should tell

(52:43):
her daughter what the heck is going on in this world,
she's interrupted by Circle members attack in the house bastards.
If she's been preparing for this potential eventuality for eighteen
years and then there's all of a sudden panics and
just going to throw you through a portal that you
didn't know existed. Don't you see? She couldn't have written
like a letter or something like an emergency like, here's

(53:05):
the deal, this is what's going on. This is like
the emergency letter for when something like this goes down,
you get pushed the report or two quasi safety. Open
this letter and go, oh, this is mental. But at
least I vaguely know what's going on. I know where
to be somewhat safe, even just the address of the institute.
Go to the institute maybe, But to what if someone

(53:28):
had found that letter? You know, there's so many things
that they had to to prepare for and be ready
for and think about so many eventualities that I think
having done nothing was a bit it was. We're not
we don't play shadow Hunters are not planets in general.
We are not good planners. We I don't think I
can't think of a single time that we in four

(53:50):
years of filming this show that we made a plan
and it worked. Demon cannons, but did they didn't they
all the towers came down. You know, we'll we'll discover it.
If there was plan, people find it in this watch
people who are listening to this podcast. I would like
you to listen and then tweet us if you think
we ever made a plan and it worked, because I
can't think of one. Maybe I mean little plans like

(54:13):
stealing the motorcycle worked. Here they go. You gotta give
us a little credit. It would everything else just went
up in flames, everything else. But we do have in
this scene our very first portal we do. Thank god,
I remember doing this. Thank God. You know, it's kind
of it matches the portal shard, you know, we can
get into it. It's so wild doing these things kind

(54:36):
of in a vacuum, as we did a lot through
this first season. We didn't know what the portals were
going to look like. We had no idea what this
was going to be in the end. Here look bedrooms
on fire. So this I wanted to talk about because
I remember being on set that day when they were
setting the bedroom on fire, and so basically what they
had done. For those who haven't seen the show, there's
a scene in which Jocelyn decides she's going to destroy

(54:57):
every evidence of Clary so she can't be tracked, and
sets the apartment on fire. As you do. They built
they built a set of the bedroom outside outside of
our sound stage in the parking lot and set up
the cameras, put everything in there, and then literally set
it on fire. And the crew was so excited because

(55:18):
you never get to do things like this. It's kind
of you know, it's it's we always try and preserve things,
and we do things. We make fake fire that can
be put out within a few moments, or you know,
a small explosion that's controlled and then expanded upon by
visual effects later. This was a real live fire on
our set and they just set the cameras in their

(55:39):
press record and walked away, and it, I mean, thank
goodness they captured the footage, but didn't they melt the
cameras front of the Yeah, it was like a camera
and the lens melted. So the interesting thing with cameras,
and you get to learn more about this when you're
on a set a camera, it's not it's it's a
bunch of very intricate pieces that come together and you

(55:59):
sort of amalgama like the actual body of the camera's
only about this big, and then the lens is also
that big, and then all of the different you know,
bits and bobs that go on top of it. And yeah,
I think the lens. I think the fort all the
lens melted. And that's why we have insurance on set.
But before we get to that, we are back in
the police station where we see Clary and Vargas kind

(56:20):
of having a little conversation. Yes, Clary portals into the
police station correct at the behest of Jocelyn screaming, where
is Luke at the police station push into a portal.
We find out later that's because you have to know
where you're going when you go into a portal, otherwise
you end up in limbo. It's very dangerous. You want
to be in limbo. But you know, Jocelyn has a
lot of trust in Clary. Jocelyn and Dot have a

(56:42):
lot of trust in Clary's inherent instinct and inherent shadow
hunter blood. But there is there is that's sort of
the point of who of like we were born into
this world and a lot of it is that sort
of that lion cub instinct of you. You will learn
to fight, or you'll learn to run or you'll learn

(57:03):
to jump or or whatever it is. Oh, and then
this is something I always I'm always reminded of. We're
back to Clary at the police station and she sees
Luke interviewing. What we learned later are two circle members,
but at this point it seems as though he's aligning
with them, and that that sort of do I actually

(57:24):
always read this or saw this scene as it's worse
than aligning with them. He is announcing his own faction,
because doesn't he say, I don't care about those two
And if we find the cup, it's my people want it.
It's not it's not for you, it's for us. We
are people wanted to Or is that later maybe al
Eric says it. I can't remember. I can't remember exactly,

(57:44):
but either way, it sounds like another faction exactly. But
at any rate, it's Clary's one saving grace. It's that
was the one thing Johnson said is find Luke. Luke
is the only person you can trust. And immediately that's
also taken away from her. I remember doing this run
down the stairs in the pouring rain, the rain towers,
which I don't know a lot of people may not

(58:04):
know a lot of the viewers may not know on set.
Whenever it's raining very heavily in a scene, we're not
always lucky enough to get real rain. In fact, even
when we do, normally they'll use rain towers to keep
it consistent. Indeed, so they bring in these things called
rain towers where they pump hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of gallons of water pouring out onto us, and they
do heat it to begin with, but it's usually no

(58:26):
longer by the time it comes out. But I remember
looking at that giant staircase at the police station, which
we shot at again later, so you know the staircase
I'm talking about, and goes, yeah, just just sprint down
these stairs and in the rain, I'm going, okay, I'm
wearing five in sheels, sprint down these stairs. And you
know how clumsy I am dumb, So I'm just hoping

(58:48):
I don't take a tumble. And I think we only
did one take because I made it down the stairs
and not worth the risk of you falling downtake to like,
we got it. That's good. Let's not put her through
that again. Not an episode one, we don't We don't
know this claring episode one. You don't want anyone to
get injured in the first couple episodes, unless you're me.

(59:11):
We'll have to talk about that when we get to
that episode, because you had you had a bit of
a day. I'm excited to see it, though, because I
have not the injury, obviously, because I don't even think
that made it on camera, although maybe it didn't. But
I'm interested to see then moving on because I know
how I dealt with it as I just didn't walk around,
I just didn't move. So I'm really interested to see
this like stagnation of of Jace all of a sudden.

(59:34):
But now we're back at Chernobyl, and I mean early.
Alan van Sprang had so much fun with this role
playing Valentine. And I remember I was a fan of Rain,
which was the show he was on previously playing another
evil Dad, and when I heard Alan van Sprang was
coming on to play Valentine, I most definitely fan girled
a little bit. Was very excited because I knew how
much of a good bad guy here and he's and

(59:59):
you just see him relishing and living in these moments.
And he's also he's a softy Alan. It doesn't look
like a soft just a big softy bless her. But
he does do bad guy good he does. It wasn't
all of this kind of equipment and pipes and Chernobyl,
the Chernobyl essence. Wasn't that existing in our sound stage already? Yeah,

(01:00:21):
this is just what the back room. Yeah, I know
what it is. You know what it is? Did we
figure out what it was? No? I heard about seven.
So our studio was a converted something. It was not
a traditional sound stage. And I heard probably seventeen stories
throughout the four years of what it actually was because
there was there was all this equipment in there and
all these strange sellers in this white dust that was

(01:00:42):
sometimes just everywhere. It was grim. Season two, they went
in and really cleaned it out. But like god, we
made masks called before, like we had half the crew
wearing masks because it was it was just gross in there.
It was really grim. It was a box factory. It
was they made box they made plastic boxes. Yeah, it
was a box. And then they took out they tore

(01:01:03):
out all the equipment. So the reason we had to
do that is because Toronto is such a popular area
to film that there were no sound stages. There were
no studios, so we couldn't we couldn't find anywhere. So
what they well, this is what I heard. This is
all they could do was find a space that was
physically big enough to put in all of the equipment
that we needed to put in and then buy it.

(01:01:24):
And that's what they did and converted it and then
season two we came back and it was beautiful. Yeah,
I think in the end we were really lucky because
a lot of you know, dumb. You and I have
both worked on a lot of studio lots at this point.
And when you have work on a traditional lot, you know,
your production office where all of the logistics are is
usually on one end, and then you have multiple sound
stages that you kind of have to run in between,

(01:01:46):
and it takes a while to to get things done.
There's a lot of time in between and that it
takes to shift sets and move cameras. We had a home,
and you're sharing space with other shows. Sometimes we had
a space that was entirely our own that we could
use the inside, the outside, the seller, the basement, the roof,
the production office we used sometimes, I mean we used

(01:02:06):
every single bit of that space, and we could use
any of it at any time because it was ours
and having that home was so wonderful. We really were
able to kind of take ownership of that space and
customize it, including having Stom. So much of New York
is in the in or around that building, you know
what I mean, like everywhere, Like Magnus is not what

(01:02:30):
both the Vampire Bar and Magnus's Bar outside outside that,
in the backgroom in the back corner, you know, then
the boathouse, the Jade Wolf, the Jade Wolf entrance, all
of it, the Hunter's Moon, all of it. Yeah, the
roof of Hotel de more So this scene again Clary drenched,
more rain towers, more running in. This scene was my

(01:02:53):
first scene ever working with rain towers, and they had
to take some time to kind of destroy the apartment,
and it was one of my first experiences on set
where you know, McGee kind of came over to me
and goes, I really need you to fall apart here
because this is and he kind of talked me through
it in the way that you know McGee does kind
of sets the tone and sets the scene for you

(01:03:14):
and in the wonderful way that our crew does. As
you and I both experienced later on. They give you
your space, and they give you the time while they're
doing their thing. They let us go find a quiet
corner and we you know, it's those moments of magic
where we can kind of create as a team and
and they give you your space and they create the
environment and then just let you play. And that's something

(01:03:36):
I always loved about our set is is our crew
was able to create such wonderful, creative, safe spaces for
us to to dive in and do our thing. Whether
it was fighting or emotional or relationship or whatever it was.
It was you know, hard work, cold work, but ultimately
came out really well. And I think we shot this
scene with Dot in the apartment another night because they

(01:03:57):
had to spray me down again with a power there.
I wasn't there for raintower day, but you were there
for this day with Dot. Now that we're in the apartment, Yeah, yeah,
of course, yeah, I'm in the scene. Well, we shot
in the apartment over the course of a few days,
so I didn't know if we did this over two
super nights or not. I couldn't remember. Oh man, Clay
needs to remember to wear waterproof mascara. I'll just say

(01:04:18):
that next time it looks good though, you know, little
little little Misty looks good. It's a good look. What
was this Hubert in the first episode. I kind of
think it was. I think this is one of our
Hugh was one of our favorite stunt guys that we
brought back again and again and again. He's really big,
very very strong, very powerful guy. And he got injured,

(01:04:41):
didn't he not on our show. He got injured on
something else and had to take a break for like
a year and a half, and then all of a sudden,
was just back in season two and we're like, oh
my god, Hubert, welcome back. But he's another incredible stunt
man and also choreographed a few of our fights later
on as well when we had oh so many. But
it's just another great member of the team that became
kind of a resident stunt player and coordinator on our

(01:05:04):
show for sure. You know, this shot after you pass

(01:05:24):
out is is interesting because it's this is this is
one of the great things about McGee, you know, It's
it's just one of those like he's just like, do this.
I want you to pick her up, and I want
you to walk on this line towards me, and you
don't really know, or I didn't really know exactly what
was being captured, what was being filmed, and then you
see the scene and you're like, oh my god, it's amazing,
Like it's this iconic like shot of you know, Jason

(01:05:48):
taking clarity to her future. That's really amazing. But mc
Jesus has these these eyes for things. He sees, he
sees it happen, and that everything that we need to
know about the relationship is sort of happening here, like
they have each other, they will be with each other
in this new world and that's where he's taking her,
and I think that's really cool, and it's the whole scope.
This scene is so sort of indicative of Clary and

(01:06:10):
Jason for the rest of the show. It's the two
of them side by side, fighting and figuring out unknown
situations together with a little bit of sarcastic humor. And
this the sort of beautiful tableaus And that's nick Gi.
You're right, he had such a vision for this. And
this is why I've always been so grateful that he
was the one who helped us build our world, because

(01:06:30):
he has the whole scope and this giant vision of
I'm going to take this story that's already great and
already has so much to it and is so rich,
and take it beyond and elevated to even another level
and and create something that's so cinematic that you know,
how many times have we seen that photo put into
fan art and put into you know, every iteration, every

(01:06:52):
edit that's ever done of Jason Clary that's somewhere in
the video or photo or something, and it's it's one
of the first photos that mcg sent me of you know,
the pilot episode was a photo he took from that day,
and I remember looking at it and going, this looks
like everything I grew up watching and reading. And that's us,
that's our team. Yeah, sure is so. Oh and then

(01:07:13):
Clary wakes up the institute and you see her with
the team for the first time. Correct this was my
audition scene? It was, Yeah, it sure was. I think
it's fun this like this thing that Emerald does where
she's like super curious about who you are, like you're
a you're a creature that doesn't exist in her realm.
And rewatching it, I thought she did such a good job.

(01:07:35):
I think it's so it's such an endearing performance to
watch because she's like she's right and she's not either
of our opinions. Like I'm yeah, I'm infatuated by whatever
this is and whether that's love or sexual, whatever it is.
That's more. It's just like there and I need to
understand you more. He doesn't give a ship and once
you've gone and she's like, you're fun. I like you.

(01:07:58):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I want you to, but I
want to play with you. I want to. I want
us to be like buddies. You know. It's the scientist
in Isabel. Yeah, yeah, I do have to say I
find grumpy cat shadow hunter Matt incredibly endearing. I forgot
how because we see Alec becomes so warm and their
relationship becomes so kind of brother and sisterly later on,

(01:08:19):
I forget how just cut and dry Matt played Alec
in the first season. Yeah, with Simon is very much
bad sense of humor as well, and it's so charming.
It is. Yeah, it just makes me love Maddario all
the more. Agreed, all the more as if that were
even possible. Look at it, stupid face kiddy, another one

(01:08:41):
of the most photogenic individuals to it's ludicrous, Like you've
got to stop man. You know what's interesting about audition
scenes is, you know, you do audition scenes hundreds of times,
just over and over and over and over, and you
do them at home, and you prep them at home,
and then you do the tapes where you do them
in with the casting, and then you do them again
the recall, and then you do them again with the directors,

(01:09:02):
then you do them again with the actors, and then
eventually when you get on set there's this, or at
least with me, there's this like fear that it's gotten stale,
and you're like, how do I how do I make
this like I'm saying it for the first time? How
do I do this like I'm saying it for the
first time? And did a really good job. I don't
know if you remember, but when we when the previous
part of this, it was he had Matt improvised, and

(01:09:23):
he had him improvised, and he had us like talking
about it and giving us different sort of thought processes
that made it feel new. And I thought that was
a really clever technique for a director because we know
what's coming, what's coming as a scene that we've literally
done a hundred times, and we need to come into
it with freshoods. Yeah, I thought that was very clever.
By the way, little foreshadowing here, there's Simon is now

(01:09:45):
calling Cleary and seeing that she's in this abandoned church,
and Jason's found Cleary's notepad, and if you watch my
right hand, I start playing with my stella and it's
something that was in the books that I wanted to
bring him with, Jason said. Cassandra had said something about
it's weird that someone so confident has this tick, has
this nervous sort of and I wanted that to be
a part of Jay. So I start doing this thing

(01:10:05):
where I sort of twizzle the stelle around my thumb.
And this is the sole reason that I broke so
many of them, other than the fact that they're very fragile,
is I'm not very good at that twizzling thing. I
can get it like it's fine when I'm over the bed,
and every time I drop it just doesn't break. But
I would do it standing up over the floor, and
every time I would drop it, which is shatter everywhere.

(01:10:25):
It's a big reason why in season two I didn't
have any They didn't they stopped giving them to me.
It was just like you can activate your rooms with
your eyes, and to stop destroying our props please. Yeah. Oh,
and this is the first time we really highlight the
runs in a big way and important that all the
conversations we had about the color of the ruins and
the size of them and what they were to look like.

(01:10:45):
And they change season two, but in season one, we
each character had a color palette of what colors they
would use for our rooms, specifically based on our skin
tone and based on, you know what, how fresh they were.
And when we had gotten each room and our makeup
department was so put so much thought and energy into it,
and then the slap has gone. I don't know whether

(01:11:07):
I was going I want that so in this scene
it was an iconic scene from the book for those
people who don't know where Clarie slaps Jace for being
the cheeky shadow hunter that he is. I was so
surprised when they brought me to set that day and
they asked me to just slap you. I was not
expecting that in the slightest nor did I really particularly

(01:11:30):
like that at all. Whatever you loved every second of it.
Also fun note Cat slaps with like the bulls of
her hat. She doesn't slap with her fingers like a
normal person. That's just like a little like a ping
and it stings for a second. She punches me, and
that first take and the thing shadow you're not really
supposed to feel it. It's just sort of like I
was just got hit in the face. But she decks

(01:11:53):
me and it takes me a second and like get
my composure and I'm like, oh my god, when are
my eyes going to focus? Like crazy? I would like
to say, dum. I will say I've been waiting for
years to set the record straight on this, So let me,
just for the records say that that particular take that
you're talking about, they had actually moved my mark a
little bit, so I was a little bit closer to

(01:12:14):
you thinking about adjusting it. I see. No, I'm saying
I didn't adjust my slap after moving closer to you.
So that's what everyone needs to know. She punched me
in the face. Episode one, probably a weekend Shet McNamara
punched Dominic showed in the face, and I went on, right,
I did not. I did not. I slapped you at

(01:12:37):
the behest of our bosses. She did. She was told
the wrong part of my hand. I was told with
the wrong part of my hand. In all seriousness, we've apologies.
We've clipped each other a couple of times. I remember
I've caught you with a sword once, and I remember
it happening, and I remember feeling dreadful about it, and
it happens. You know, it's part of what you do,
like if you because you can. Also you can go

(01:12:57):
into set and say I don't want to get slapped
the face. I'm unwilling to get slats in the face,
Like I don't want that to happen, And that's completely
acceptable when you go fair enough, that's okay. Like, but
if you're gonna it's what we were saying earlier, like
with the stunts. If you if you say, yeah, do it,
then you can't complain that like, actually she hit me
quite hard, Like you just you said that they can
slap in the face. You know you can't. I've got

(01:13:19):
some mileage out of it, if I'm honest, I've definitely
got some out of it. I can. But I will
say that I did not like slapping in the face,
and it was not I get it. It was not.
It was not fun. But here we are towards the end,
we're in Chernobyl again and do you remember this again?
It was another long conversation of when can Simon see
the shadow Hunter that you're killing? Is this the moment

(01:13:41):
where you got to do the kill, where you do this?
So that's what sort of aimed for. It was sort
of kind of it was I wanted this, I wanted
this thing with the shadow. Answers were like, killing isn't pleasant,
it's not something we enjoy doing. But also there's this
anger to Jason that is the story that he has
in his head that you know, we come to find out,

(01:14:04):
but it's the story that he has in his head
about how his father was treated and how his lineage
has since been treated, and they were they were tortured
and destroyed and killed by the Circle. So I don't
think it's so much like and slowly digging the knife in.
It's more like I want you to know that this
is why I'm doing this, Like I'm doing this because

(01:14:24):
it's revenge. I'm doing this is revenge. You killed my father,
you destroyed my life, you destroyed my family, and you
deserve this. It's sort of that dark, dangerous side of
Jace that that is unhinged, but also that makes him
very good at what he does. It's, you know, and
it's also that that paradox of that. He continually says
that we don't have emotions. Shadow hunters don't have emotions,

(01:14:47):
but actually we thoroughly do. Of course we do. And
this is the first prime example of that, where he's angry,
where he loses his composure, and he doesn't enjoy killing
this person, but there's also a part of him that
this brings him just a tiny little bit of closure,
and that's dangerous. That's the dangerous side of Jason is
that if you cross him, when you cross him, when

(01:15:07):
you cross the people he cares about, he will go
to the ends of the earth to make that right.
And that's what happens, and that's as we dive into
the story. That's what kind of becomes so beautiful about
Jason Clary's relationship is they each have something to teach
each other. Clary teachers helps to Jace learn how to
feel things and how to use his emotions and how
to kind of go into that side. And Jace teaches

(01:15:27):
Clary how to be a fighter and how to get
through this world and how to you know, and together
when one is weak, the other is strong, and they
kind of bring each other and balance each other out
in that way. That's sort of a big part of
who these shadow Unters are and one of the big
things that I really loved about them always, and what
I thought so attractive about this story is these guys
are kind of broken, like damaged people, but only from

(01:15:50):
the perspective of other human beings, which is one of
the parallels that we never were never really sort of
delved into with real life, and with this, you know,
there's a there's a lot of like shitty hate out there.
There's a lot of people who dislike other people, but
whether they refuse to or are unable to, or have
neglected to so far, they have not seen the story

(01:16:13):
from the point of view of whoever the other person is.
They've seen it from the point of view of the
person telling the story themselves. So my thing with Jason
that I always thought was really interesting was and vice
versa with Jason's opinion of Clary, where he's like, well,
I don't understand why you don't get this like this
is it doesn't make any sense because you only see
the story through your eyes. Ever you can only ever

(01:16:33):
see that story through your eyes. And Jase was broken
and he was damaged. He lost his parents when he
was ten and joined a new family, but fit in
with that family immediately because one was par of a
tie and the rest were his shadow un brother and sisters.
Just made sense to him. It was his community. So
whether or not you agree or disagree with the behaviors
of a community that's there, that's what that's their prerogative.
That's who they are, and you just need to let

(01:16:54):
them be who they are. And that's what I thought
was really cool about the shadow Hunters. And I think
that's too why I Clary and Jay's kind of connected
in a lot of ways as they go through the story,
because Claire and I noticed this in rewatching these first
couple of episodes, is Jay saw Clary for another version
of him coming into the Institute as a lost kind
of loan puppy, as it were, a stray, straight Fray,

(01:17:20):
straight Fray, needing, needing a family and needing to be
brought in and taught the ways of the world and
taught how to survive and how to thrive and how
to do good out of a bad situation. And I
think that's you know, it's something that their journey is
kind of parallel and a lot of a lot of ways,
um more or less throughout as the story goes on.
But it it's something that I always felt too on

(01:17:40):
a personal level diving into this show. You know, I
was I was nineteen when I booked the show. I
moved to a foreign country. You were the only person
that I had any real kind of friendship with before
the show, and we made a family, and we learned
we were thrown into the deep end of the pool
together and had to learn how to swim, and had
to learn how to show about this responsibility and and

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make this show. And we did it and it was
a wonderful experience. And I think that's why we were
all kind of so close as our characters did the
same thing, we went through a very similar journey. Yeah,
we'll also I mean, I think, yeah, the deepend is
because not just story wise, like filming season one was
I'm not speaking for anyone else because I wouldn't dare,

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but I can say very honestly from my point of view,
and I know people would agree with me, filming season
one was tough. It was really hard work. There were
a lot of times we didn't know which direction we
were going, what the avenues were. There was a lot
of pressure to get it right because of first of all,
that there's a huge following for this already in these
stories and these characters, but also on top of that,
it's been done once and and people didn't love it,

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So we this is the second iteration of trying to
do something. And then I think, as we sort of
touched on briefly earlier, the hours we worked trying to
trying to get it perfect was ludicrous, and not just
for us but for the crew as well. Um it was. Yeah,
it was really something, and I think when you get
thrust into something like that, you really do bond over it,
where you're like, how much sleep did you get? You know,

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I got like two and a half hours? Yeah, you
got two and a half hours to cool. Cool, cool,
Let's have a coffee at eleven twelve, one, two, three four,
Just we'll just keep going that way until we get
through the days, and then that coffee drip, and then
we then we found a rhythm and it was good,
and that's it's barely It's fairly typical of especially a

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pilot and then pilot episode through maybe episode five, you're
just sort of you're figuring it out and you're learning
what these relationships are both on screen and on set,
and it takes them doing. But this one particularly, I
think because there was a physical toll for everybody. Um
was really tough, and I think that's what connected everyone
because we said, you know, last day on set. Ever,

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we had people there who were there first day. We
had like Glenn was there. Glenn, who is our amazing
b camera operator, was there day one with us. I
remember meeting Glenn day one and he did my very
first shot as Clary. He sat up, I think you
have a camera. I think you have Drew's camera slate,
don't you They give that to you. They do, Yes,

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I have. Yeah, it's a Decker's house. So the slate
said the clapperboards the beginning of the beginning of every shot.
You know, let's take this click. And what it is
is it's a way of matching the sound starting because
sound is recorded separately via a personal microphone that they
stick to your chest or a boom or both, and

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it's a way of matching where the sound needs to
start versus where the picture of the sound needs to start,
because there are times where the sound is happening far
away or whatever whatever it is. But they write on
it with you know, a dry race marker. This is
the scene we're doing, so in the edit room they
can put it all together. And that started to rub
off because it was obviously just dry a race. So
I just took a sharpie and I wrote it all

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back on top. And it's really, honestly one of my
proudest possessions of all the things I stole got given
from Shadow unts got given. I did not personally steal anything.
I only took for anyone else whatever. Wait until you
see Clary's bedroom is barren. She just took everything she
took with bed sheets. I saw her do it. I
did not. I almost wanted to take the bedspread though,

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But but this is you know, as you say, we
did have such a family from the cast of the
crew to everyone else, and I don't think we would
have found that rhythm and we would have figured it
out and and gotten through. You know, we were in
the trenches together as it were, and we we soldiered
through together and figured it out. But in a way
that created something so beautiful and in a way that

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we wouldn't have been able to do without such an
incredible group of people from top to bottom, from our
producers at at ABC family that then became free form,
to all the way, to our crew that was on
set with us every single day, to each and every
person that came in even if they were there for
just a day on set. I there were very very
few people that were not just a joy to work
with on set every single day. Al Right, where are

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we at? I think we're right at the end. We're
at another beautiful, beautiful McGee tableau with Clary in between
Jason Simon, one saying come with me, the other saying
come with me outside the church. The Precision, the Precision run. Yes,
And then that's it. That's our pilot. We have. We
have Alan who comes on says I very much want

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to meet this daughter. No, he doesn't say that. That's
in the next episode. Does because he know he finds
out that the Jocelyn had a daughter. Yes, he does.
You're right, Joscelyn had a daughter. Because he didn't know.
We didn't know this, but he didn't know that Jocelyn
had a daughter. And so then we go what, Yeah,
You're absolutely right, Foreshadow, that was the pilot and there

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it is. God, wow, what a what a time it was?
How long ago did we film that cat? Do you remember?
We shot that pilot episode in in May of so
like six and the six years eight months ago. Yeah.

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I remember so many mornings, mornings when we wrapped at
seven am, just sitting sitting outside with you, waiting for
our vans, waiting to go home, dead tired. We'd worked
so hard all night, yet we somehow both had smiles
on our faces and couldn't stop talking about everything that
had happened the night before and all the stories and
the funny moments in the mishaps. And it was that

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moment I kind of looked at you and went, oh,
this is going to be fun. This is a person
that I can go through, Yeah, the next five, six,
seven years totally. And that's what's interesting about doing this,
or even just in the last hour or so. What
I found when it comes to revisiting something like this
is like, it was hard work, and there are times
where the last thing I wanted to do was another take.

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Like I was broken, my body was done, I had
nothing emotionally left. But that's not to say that I
didn't enjoy every fucking second of it. Every second of
this I loved it. I absolutely loved it, and I
wanted nothing more than to come back and do it
again and again and again and keep going until we
did a damn musical episode. That's why I didn't want to.

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I didn't want to do a musical episode. By everything
else we would have convinced you was that if Matt sings,
if we get Matt to sing and dance, and he did,
he danced in one of them. He did. We were
this close, this close, But that's something that you know,
we had so much fun making this show. We poured
our blood, sweat and tears into it. We had a

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great time, and then the fandom had such a great
time watching it. And this is what has made the
Shadow world and the Shadow fan becomes so special for
both of us. I think you know we You and
I both relish. We love hard work. At least I
think you're the kind of person that loves hard work.
And you know, we we made a show that meant
a lot to us, and then it ended up meaning
something to other people as well. And to be able

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to celebrate that and to be able to go back
and relive all the memories. Is it's going to be
a fun journey. Yeah, And that is it, guys. That
is the end of episode one of this podcast. Usum,
thank you so much for joining us. We have a
whole but load more to come, and I'm so excited
with everyone what it was like to film this. What

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you know, no holds barreds, nobody's going to get in
trouble for saying things because we're still employed, like we
can we can really talk about this show. We can
really talk about it and talk about everything that you
have wanted to know. So thank you for being a
part of this with us. I think it's gonna be
a really exciting journey absolutely, and in the future we
will hopefully be gathering questions to be able to answer

(01:25:33):
and getting some fire messages from the Shadow fam out
there and doing some more fun feature ats as we
fun segments as we go through. But thank you for
joining us, thank you for coming with us, returning to
the Shadows with us as it were, and uh, I
guess at this point will bid you hail and farewell
until next time. We're Turned into the Shadows as hosted

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an executive produced by Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our
executive producer is Langley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes
and Diego Tapia, and our producers are Hannah Harris and
Kristin Vermilia. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed by
Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara. The episode was mixed by
Seth The Landscape