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Hello, Hello, How are you this morning? Down? Hello, I'm fantastic,
Thank you. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I've
got Shadow Hunters merch on and I'm this episode great stuff.
I can't find the cheat sheet, but I don't rely
on it that much anyway, so I believe in you.
Actually this episode, weirdly, I remember a lot about For
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whatever reason, there's a lot of things that remain cemented
in my memory from this one. Interesting, I remember the
big switching, and that's kind of it. Maybe because it's
in the bloopers. Maybe because we have bloopers of this episode,
they tend to stick with me a little longer. Oh wait,
I'm gonna need the cheat sheet because we've got to
do the introduction thing. Got it? Boom? All right, who's
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doing what you are doing? All of the people today,
I'm doing all the people. Okay, fantastic. So today we're
diving into season two, episode twelve. The air date was
June twelfth, twenty seventeen. Written by Jamie Gorenberg and directed
by Billy Woodruff, starring Katherine McNamara, Dominic Show at Alberta Resende,
Matthew Dario, Mr To ba Isam and stuff at Harry Sham, Junior, Alam,
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Van Sprang, Brett, Donna Hue, David Castro, Mimi because because
you never get that right, Vanessa Metoi, Will Tudor, Rosalba
Martini and Chad Connell, Eric Deutschmann and Jason Wright fantastic who. Wow,
that's a lot of folks. And there's a lot happening
in this episode as Valentine and Magnus try to escape
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the prison, Jace deals with a new identity, and the
shadow Hunters face a possible uprising of the down World.
To put it mildly, that's probably one of the shortest
log lines we've had for yeah, and it barely scratches
the surface of everything that's happening here. Because we have
a little bit of Jason's family history, we have a
little bit of Simon Clary info that gets released. We
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have you know, some Magnus Valentine stuff, and we have
a new member to the team who's a you know,
very charming blonde englishman. That was last episode we met him,
no, no no, no, But now he enters the group. Oh
I see he's only met yeah, and he starts, uh,
he starts having a very interesting influence on different members
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of the gang, which we will find out. So this
episode opens, what, no, nothing that I just I'm reading
the notes and i can just hear you chatting about
Will and I'm like, that's fucking cute, that's nice. Yeah,
he does, he has, He has an impact on all
of us. He does. Indeed. So the episode opens on
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Valentine screaming in his cell, pounding against the glass as
he's claiming to be Magnus Bain and saying Valentine has escaped. Yeah. Credit,
we said it previously, just very briefly in the last episode.
But like credit to these guys man playing someone who's existed,
like a real person, Austin Butler doing Elvis, those sort
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of things. I've done it once before. When you're playing
a normal character that's fictitious, there's a lot of artistic credit,
Like you can add things and you can change things,
and like this is the way I think he or
she should move, this is the way that he or
she talks, whatever. But when you're playing something that's already
been established, whether in real life or by another actor,
there isn't any room for that. This person does things
a certain way. There's an architect to how these things
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are done, and you have to pay attention to the
other actors, and these two do such a fantastic job
at displaying the physicalities of each other so fantastically. We
wouldn't see more of that as we go on, It's true.
And then cut to the next scene where you have
Magnus Magnus Valentine Parentheses running through Magnus's apartment trying to
figure out what's going on, almost like almost even scratching
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his own face. It's just so brilliant, all these little things,
And because we've seen Magnus be so graceful and adept,
and then all of a sudden, Harry's just smashing through
things and being much more brutish. Oh, and then you know,
nothing but a greater demon sitting in your living room
sipping a whiskey. Yeah. Yeah. Has anyone know where he
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lives because he's the High Warlock of Brooklyn. It's just
like advertised, I mean no, but it's like, you know,
it's like the Prime Minister's house or the President. Yeah,
I feel like you would know the White House though,
Does he the president? Does he? Yeah? Yeah he does. Yeah,
that's pretty cool. Yeah, he lives in one wing and
then his office is in the other wing and you
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know sick. Yeah, yeah, because I don't think the Prime
Minister of England lives at Downing Street. I think that's
where the offices are, that's where the cabinet is. Oh,
I think they have their own personal residence as well.
That's cool. Then we don't really have like a down
world office space like they don't have. They very often
go to the bar. Good for them, good for them,
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as they should. Yeah, right, but I feel like, you know,
Magnus's apartment is where people go to when they need
help or when something is going on, or Magnus has
enough parties, you know, word gets around. Yeah, that's fair,
and so you cute he's in bed. If it wasn't
for the world constantly ending, this is a really cute scene.
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So this is what I always this is. This is
why I thought it was so sad that the date
was cut previously, because now it goes from you know,
this very nice scene where you and I reconnect to
I'm just incongrusly in bed with Simon. But I guess
it makes sense and it's real cute. That's real cute.
This is when he was in good shape. You can
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see it. You can see it in his shoulders, like
the breadth of his shoulders. This is when he was
in really, really good shape and that he had to
start trimming down a little. Yeah, and you know who
knew the boat basin could be so charming that wins
good morning day? Honestly, Like, if you look at the
square footage of that of Coust, you're fucking fortune in
New York right now. It's true, Like you would kill
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for an apartment that size. Oh my god, yeah, are
you kidding? Yeah? Boat based or no, I'd be like
hell yeah. Also, this is another interesting like TV movie
thing that they do. Nobody's phone is ever charging. Nobody
leaves their phone on chart, Like you just went and
grabbed your phone for this information. If you guys were
in bedding you just woke up, you would wake up
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in a panic that you were on one and a
half percent. You're like, I don't know how I do
my day without without this device. It's such a little battery.
I don't know what I do Pop quoiz cap, what's
the what's the ruin on your left wrist? The front
of your left wrist? Oh hold on, let me see
which one it is because I don't remember. I'm pretty
sure if it's the front of my left wrist. Yeah,
oh that is. Are be very impressive it I'm pretty
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sure it's the funeral room, is it not. I don't
know what it is. I think it is. I think
it's I think it's the morning room from Jocelyn's funeral.
Oh um, but I could be wrong. Damn. Look at
holy cheeseballs. He's that man when he works out. Good
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to love Alberto, no kidding. And then back to the
institute where you guys are actually doing business. We're doing business. Oh,
Mimi's here trying to try to blame you for everything. Yeah, yeah,
you know it is what it is. I really like
her necklace. It looks like a weapon hanging from her neck.
I think that's again, Shelley with the details. Something we
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always miss out on as guys. We never get as
much like I ended up with one later on in
the season, which actually that did become quite functional and
I love that, but like that's always something I missed, like,
felt like we missed out on. I've seen in your
guys trailer. You get like a little like a platter,
like a little velvet platter, your jewelry on it. We
don't ever get that true the naked seem, which is
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pretty neat. Well there you go. I mean, if you've
got a thong on a velvet tray, that's fun. So
now we've got Sebastian making Isabelle breakfast. This man he
cooks dream guy, dream guy, he cooks breakfast and soup
apparently this but this is like Jonathan pretending to be
good spoiler? Is this Jonathan pretending to be good? Or
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is this what Sebastian was like Sebastian, This isn't I mean, yes,
is the bigger question because he stalked Sebastian in order
to do this. Obviously, if he ran into somebody that
Sebastian knew, he would have to be Sebastian. But that
is not Sebastian. That is Jonathan. I know that. I mean, like,
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is this Jonathan being is it him Fox pretending to
be nice? Is this what he thinks is nice? Or
is Sebastian just this really nice guy that we missed
out on in our series, like because he was it
was the story both, Yeah, that's exactly I know what
it really liked Sebastian. Yeah, war table I mean given
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as you know, upset as his cousin was, and in
walks Izzy, we're like, oh my god, so happy you're safe.
And yeah, when we were filming it, we were all like,
he's such a good actor and he's obviously so handsome,
and we were all like blown away by his presence
and that was it was all of us, even as actors.
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We were like, where the fuck did you find this guy? Man,
Come on, this is ridiculous. He's like, oh, yes, I
specialize in greater demons. How apt, how helpful. I just
happened to be in the best chances. That's very fortunate. Yeah,
And I remember Will and I talked a lot about
this moment where we meet, because it's that thing of
there had to be this little recognition without Clary realizing it,
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because you know, they are family and they are connected
in a certain way, and that's part of what makes
this go the way it goes. But it you know,
it had to be just the slightest bit of familiarity
without anything else, because would you you guys wouldn't have
met no, no, because Jocelyn ran before even his babies, right, yeah,
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when she was pregnant. Yeah, so you know, but he
knows exactly who I am. Right, But have we met?
Have we have met? Me and him? Did he talking about?
I think you guys might have met as you know,
like baby babies, but you wouldn't remember it. And because
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by the time, he also doesn't look like this, like
this is Slashton's face, not Jonathan's face, so he doesn't
look this way, so there's no way I would recognize him.
But I'm just I was more curious, like, wait, if
he's in Magnus's body, he has Magnus's powers. Yeah, interesting,
he can't control them as well. Yeah, oh yeah, I
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remember because he gets me later. Yeah, and that's right,
because he's trying to make a portal. He's trying to
do all this stuff you can't. So now Asazel and
Magnus are still talking because Asazel's you know, trying to
get Magnus to Magnus Valentine to get them out of
there so they can, you know, take over the world
and do bad guy stuff. A Lightwood, that's funny, get
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rid of him. I need your help tracking his Azel. Yeah,
I'm busy, I got a client. Magnus says, well, do
you because as Azel's right, there, he's like, oh, he
knows sums up right away. Alec knows sums up right away.
That's not my boyfriend. Yeah, and sound like my boyfriend.
M m sounds up right away that a boy Let's
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see again, Malick is the healthiest relationship on the show.
I said it once, I'll say a million times. Yeah.
So Harry again does these amazing things where he's not
only is he pretending to be Valentine in Magnus's body,
but also is putting together these two are in a
relationship and you can see like wheels turning. How do
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I make this into something that I can use and whatever?
Which is great. Oh, so we need to talk about
this stunt. Oh my god, looks like it's on green spring.
I think it is. I think that one shot of
him find it it's not. No, they did it all practically. Really,
that's amazing. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they ran the
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camera on the dolly with him as he was doing this.
Oh that makes sense. They did that with me a
few times too. Yeah. Yeah, which is great because it's
so it's they figured out the way where they could
put because they put the camera on the dolly and
then they put you on the dolly and then they
just goo it works. It looks quite well. He got him.
I love how Alex still hasn't quite figured it out.
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You know, at this point he's probably assuming, oh, you
were weird because you were being held hostage, something that
couldn't be undone. Oh oh, that's right. So Azazel was
the one who said I can switch you back and
rank him out back. But now Azazel's gone. So Alex
shot Azazel with an arrow and he disappeared. So now
poor poor Valor Magnus Magnet thinks he's trap Valamagnus, Valor Magnus,
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your first instinct was right there, yeah, and then as
Magnum tine in the basement, then I guess, yeah, I
guess it sounds more bad guy. So I love that
this office that Mimi's in, um the inquisitor now, yeah,
is just like the rotating office. Just whoever takes it over.
You know, there's probably file boxes with everybody's personal facts.
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It would be very shadow huntery that you're allowed like
one personal photo and you just literally take it out
of the frame and then the other person puts their
personal family photo in and that's how you decide, like oh,
mem he's in charge right now. Okay, there's a photo
of her and I guess me her son, but we
don't know that yet. Yeah, wouldn't be am I have
grand grandson? Yeah? Yeah, like Alder Tree brings a tea
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kettle in the Art of War. Yeah that's right. Oh great,
we're going to become guinea pigs for the Claves science explode? Right?
Is this We don't have that fight scene in this episode?
Do we? Or do we the training scene that's this episode?
That this episode again one of many reasons this episode
stands out of my memory. Holy shit, Dot turns up
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at Magnus's door looking fabulous, like head to toe, How
Dot should look like? This is because this is kind
of the first time we've seen her as like her
Warlock stuff, not the antiques, not the not the sort
of showmanship, not a prisoner, not being poisoned. It's like
the first time that she's been able to go home
and put on like her Warlock outfit, and she looks
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like a different person. She does back in her all
of her Warlock glory. Yeah you damn we ever find
out what her mark is. I'm trying to remember. I
feel like we established it during the pilot, and then
we just haven't seen it. Since I haven't seen it. Yeah,
I feel like it's it's she's got an eye thing.
Maybe you think it's an eye thing. I think so,
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but I'm probably very wrong. Please don't crucify me, book fans.
I'm not saying nothing. Oh then we're back in the prison.
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That's still not strong enough to create portals. Oh wow,
wow torture. Oh how I forgot about this? Geez, shadow Hunters,
it's not great. Oh, we're back in the greenhouse. We
used this so much more in this season. I literally
never set foot in this place. I never stepped into
it once, and I think in the books, yeah, never,
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And I think in the books it's where we have
our first kiss. I'm not wrong. Never once, never want
step in it. That's probably why they'd never put you
in there, because if they did, people would be like
if you and I were in the Greenhouse and we
didn't make out, people would be upset. Yeah, she's coming
clean to Simon. Thinks she's coming clean about the infan
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and she also comes clean about something else I think,
or maybe that's later in the episode. So Valentine is
still just you would think by a certain point Valentine
would change tactics. You would think it's not Valentine, it's Magnus.
He doesn't know and he's being tortured. Isn't the shadow
onters ways, which in this instance is brutality. We're not
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listening to a word, just saying that's the end of it.
This seems so heartbreaking to me because you can just
see in this again, Alan is so brilliant. You just
see the love in his eyes. Yeah. I mean, look,
if there's anyone who's going to figure it out, it's Alec.
I completely agree, acting with your eyeballs acting, because it's
not even the rest of his face. If you took
that away, I would still believe him. I'd hear his
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words and just see the surface of his eyes. I
would still believe him. Yeah, but it was so I
read the script and Alex even trying to get away,
and Alan's like no, no, no, no, yeah, so good
telling him all these things that only he would know.
Oh God, Matt, Matt and Allen they never really get
to act together, but they're so good together. So good,
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how do we fix this? I'm excited to see how
this episode ends. Also, that chair is awesome. That I
think is an antique dentist chair. Yep, I'm pretty sure
with straps added to it. By the way, added to it.
How they come they're old dentists. They were like, strap
you down and here we go. Here we go, Here
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we go. This is a good fight scene. Yeah, I
love this fight scene. This was one of the first
times this is I remember this being the first time
they sort of let you loose and you got to
actually do some some like competent shadow hunter stuff, you know. Yeah, Well,
because Darren had been on the show long enough and
we talked for so long about because Jace fights a
particular way and Alex fights a particular way, and Clary
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was just getting to the point point of learning and
training as a shadow hunter that she kind of got
her own version of that. Mum, once again, I always
love doing these scenes with you because we just got
to play, and we always were able to find so
many moments within them, fun little fun gold eyes, gold eyes,
gold eyes, gold eyes, and gold room. Little thing about
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the gold room we get out. I don't know if
you guys get this actually, do you get the BCG
Do you get that shot when you're a kid. We
get it in school. It's a very common one and
it almost always leaves a little, tiny, little circular scar
which is directly underneath the room that goes gold. So
it turns out that shadow hunters also get the BCG.
They get that injection. There's no other reason for that
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scar to be there. Makes sense. Yeah, And I just
love that you flip over the inquisitor. There's that's one thing.
Just Jake's cockiness is always just like no, I'm just
gonna do this. Yeah. And and she doesn't blink an eye.
That's that's what you do it. And it's a thing.
And she doesn't blink an eye. And again, Mimi doing
that job, like we did that. That was a practical effect,
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Like I did it. We did it a couple of
times with her pacing it out. You can't see when
you do a backflip. You can't see until you're fully
upside down. So you're at the absolute beck and call
of Mimi and then Dean and Darren. Dean especially in
these moments, because like he's the one who's pulling you up,
he's keeping you at the right height and landing you safely.
That was all. Then the backflips. You know this. The
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backflips are the easier ones of the two. The front
flips are hard work. The backflips are the ones where
your body sort of takes over. So those guys did
all the work there, not me. Yeah, that's true, but
I had forgotten this. Clary's Clary's Run power isn't working her.
She's not able to activate her Sunlight Run or use
it anymore. And that's what failed with a saisal. That's
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why the whole switch Drew happened. I still can't figure
it out. Do we know? Why? Do we ever figure
out why that's happening? Yes, we do, we do. We
find out later in the episode, and it's it's one
of those things where it's the Morgenstern versus the Lightwood.
How their powers work and how they access their their
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power specifically. It's interesting. It's sort of different shadow Hunter
families seem to be able to use their powers in
different ways, which I think is kind of cool. You know,
it's because it exists in our blood and it exists
who we are like that. Yeah, it's different. This is
a cute scene with Raphael's Graham's sister. It's really cute.
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It's really lovely. I remember how touching it was. You know,
it's emeralds still take Isabella is still taking care of
Raphael's family. Yeah, I love that. Simon is just utterly
confused by the whole scene and then realizes that, oh,
one day I'm going to have to do this with
my sister. Yeah, one day, and my mom and potentially
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as kids, Like he's in a relationship with you right now,
shadows as a mortal. They your kids would be born mortal, right, Yeah,
well we don't know. We don't know what they would
be necessarily. Yeah, yeah, I don't know there's ever been Actually, no,
he can't have kids because he's a vampire. Oh really yeah,
vampires are sterile. Part of that situation. Yeah, poor Alec
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is having a rough day. Yeah, has that a rough day?
Oh yeah, this was right once they that's one of
the first episodes. They'd built that little that little back
corner by the elevator, the alcove. Yeah, it's fun for
us to go back and watch this stuff because they
we get to see and we get to explain to you,
like little pieces of stuff was at It's almost like
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we'd saved up enough money like when you're a homeowner
and you're like, oh, let's do the kitchen extension, Like,
let's do this, let's extend this, let's build this into place,
and like slowly, over the course of three and a
half seasons, they like built little bits of like new stuff,
which is really cool. It's exciting for us to come
on set for those first times and see this once again.
It's it's so nice that you guys have a moment
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here too, you know. It's it's that herbit. I think
if no one else is going to believe Alec except
Jas Yeah, and they can figure it out together, and
they just kind of cycle through there. Well is it
their snows, their snow. It's you know, making the impossible possible. Oh,
this is the Oh there it is. This is the
coolest fucking shot, Billy. I hope you're listening to this.
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This is the coolest fucking shot. So when Magnus turns
up to talk to Valentine, Magnus in Valentine's body and
Valentine and Magnus's body watched this carefully. It's very easy
to slip by. They angled the glass so that Magnus's
reflection is what Valentine walks into literally the tip of
his nose matches up perfectly with Magnus's reflection. It is
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the fucking coolest shot. I think it is absolutely outstanding.
That might be the coolest shot I've ever seen on
our shows. Same on the other side, mcials, it's not cgi.
They did it with creative filmmaking, and that is fucking
unbelievable at Full Star Wars with it. But and here
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comes the inquisitor. Oh goodness. I love how they're both
trying to make their powers work and neither one. Cane
was like, no, no, I don't know. Honestly, for audiences watching,
this is what we feel like we look like on
set because we're doing all these things and obviously nothing's
coming out of our hands. And as silly as this
looks to you viewers, this is what it looked like
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every day for us on set. Vampspeed. Vamp Speed was
the hardest one. I think, Oh my god, I will
never forget the one time I had to do Vampspeed
and how much you all just laughed. It was great fun.
These shots are also unbelievable. The overlap of the two
of them in the same costumes It's unbelievable, this whole
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section of filmmaking. Billy credit to you man. This is
really some outstanding stuff. Really is My goodness, I haven't
watched this since an air. It's so what it's happening
is as they're they're torturing Valentine because the inquisitors, you know,
obviously inquisiting inquisitor is gonna inquisit, you know. But we
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get to see Magnus's childhood trauma resurfacing as these things happen.
And that's which we really have barely touched the surface of,
like we've spoken about it once or twice. When he
finds the snaky knife event the curve knife. We find
out more about that, I believe next season. Oh, and
then prepare him for execution, so they're gonna they're gonna
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just kill him now. This scene was actually the first
scene I got to shoot with will ever, and I
think it was one of his first scenes he got
to shoot as well. And it was so nice. So
we just got to sit in the greenhouse and talk
about It was rainy, so we had like a raind
layer something. We just got to sit the greenhouse and
get to know each other and talk about the scenes
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and the characters and the relationship and what was coming
and kind of work all those things out so that
when we did this scene, we were able to kind
of establish that connection that they have and that familiarity
that they have. And you know, when a guest star,
when somebody knew comes on the show, it's so rare
that you have that opportunity, and we'll turn out to
be one of my closest friends. In the end, guy,
we like, well, you're a wonderful, wonderful dude. But it's
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story wise, what's happening in this scene is, you know,
Clari's been told since she was a shadow Hunter, emotions
cloud judgment. Emotions cloud judgment, and that is, don't lean
into your emotions. It will hinder you in your powers,
and it will hinder you from being a good shadow
Hunter and being a good soldier. Clari's powers have often
exemplified themselves in moments of high emotion. Sebastian is the
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first shadow Hunter who's come in and said, well, if
you have all these emotions, if you're going through this,
use it, harness it. There's a power in that there's
a world in which it begins to cause Claria to
question everything because that makes sense to her in the
person that she is and in the way that she
goes about life, that logic means more than anything else. Yeah,
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I mean it's interesting. I think you know, these guys,
the shadow Hunters, as we were trained from from being
very young babies, you know, whether it was in the
institute or through Valentine and whatever. We were trained to
suppress those emotions and function that way, which I think,
actually as a soldier, is the most efficient way to
do anything. However, if you haven't been trained that way,
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you live the first eighteen years of your life understanding
that emotions do run through you and do need to
be a part of you for you to progress as
as you know, whatever you are then learning to suppress
that eighteen as next for the impossible. So I agree
with him. I think you should use them. Yeah, so
we'll see how that goes. Now, Izzie's having a meal
at Jade Wolf with Simon. That doesn't happen very often.
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I know this again, this is one of the things
they made us wait for Sizzie for so long. But
it's these little moments that helped that pay off in
the end. That was the season four relationship that was
going to be the season four relationship building. Certainly we
got to see something towards the end, Simon, I thought
you knew. I knew what. Oh. So for those at
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home that are watching that, we um are just figuring
things out. Isabelle just casually told Simon that Clary and
jasonre not actually related, which Clary doesn't know, but jays,
oh yeah I do. Now, Sorry I didn't tell him.
Oh that's right, I didn't tell Simon that's what it was.
Oh no, oh no. And then a portal shows up,
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so it's Rafael. Rafael. Oh, because they're all trying to
figure out why he's a day letter. No, it's this,
it's the sister. He doesn't want Simon around his sister. Oh,
but also he can walk during the day. Uh werewolves? Luke?
Oh that's right, I remember this. Luke just opens the
door and they're all like, oh no, yeah. Sun light.
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I've always I always again, Billy with these shots. I
just love the shot of Simon and Luke just with
the sunlight pouring in behind in the back, that like
freaking super eros. Oh. And that's when he asked himself
of the day. Later, that's what it was. I knew
that was going on in this scene. So Simon's in
hot water with the the Vampi friends target on his back.
Now buddy, and now we are back in the institute. Yeah,
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and uh, Alex having doubts, but in Quister's going, no,
we're just going to execute him. Yeah, we're gonna despite
what the claib said, We're going to do it. The
clave said no, it's like we're still going to execute him.
Oh dear Odd. You know, it's interesting you can tell
there's a certain family lineage from that sentiment. I just
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love the way that Magnus Magnine looks at you in
this scene. I remember it actually being kind of heartbreaking.
This like what he says, it's nice to be like this,
It's nice to be like friends, because that's that is
what Valentine wanted. Like he as much as he wanted
a weapon, he also wanted a son. He wanted that
paternal sort of relationship and that the way Harry did it,
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and I'm sure Alan had some input as well, that like,
it just broke my heart and it was really it
was one of those really like difficult things to be
a part of. Absolutely and now it's the tension that
they were able to build in this part of the episode.
Oh I remember what happens now? I don't. Still I do.
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I'm very excited. What was your issue with the chair?
You didn't like the chair? I didn't like the chair. Well,
later on I end up in the chair for reasons.
I remember. It's not it's not fun, it's not comfy.
Let me put this way. I wasn't particularly thinking about
comfort during that scene. So I don't know. It just
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creeps me out. It's one of those things you'd see
and you know, underground torture chamber. Maybe. Yeah, m Alexander
is not sure. Ah, so what is Here's what I
want to know. What is that message situation that's happening?
How is he doing it? Yeah? Is that supposed to
be a fire message or is it supposed to be
like a half portal that that Magnus is doing or
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is it a parabutie thing. It's not a parablet ie thing,
because if it was, he wouldn't be there, Harry Magnus
wouldn't be there. Oh so now she can see it too, Okay,
so it's not a parabet. I think it must be
am it's got to be a it's a magic thing. Yeah,
he's harnessed just enough of Magnus's power. He's figured it out.
I think that's why they're they're pulsing, because he can't
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control it properly. Oh and he's holding jas Ransom. Oh shit,
and this is where I'm found to having My parents
are Oh yeah, oh are you go? I love how Jasus? Like, really,
they're trying this again. You're telling me I'm related to
somebody else already tried this. I'm not doing skin. Oh.
This actually might be the episode where Mimi gives me
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the ring. Yeah, I think it is. Oh yeah, they go,
there's the ring her unborn son was eating alive or
was he? This is so this is different than than
the books because in the books she does Selene does
take her own life, but it's Valentine that saves the baby,
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not that the body was ravaged by werewolves and then
the baby was not dead. And one hour is not
a lot of time to accomplish things in the shadow world. No,
a lot, and a lot is happening in this episode.
Magnus gives them one hour. Valentine, Magnus, I still don't
know what to come though, Yeah, Valentine Magnus, whichever it is,
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but it who lives in penthouse too, you know what
I mean, lives in that penthouse across the ward. It's
like fucking again, like I'd pay such a lot of
money for this in New York. And they're always there's
always some ship going on. There's always some weird fucking
shit going on in this penthouse. Hate it here. There's
got to be some kind of glamor or maybe just
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I hope it's not like it's just a normal person
who works just like an everyday job, and it's just
like this bullshit, like I hate this place. I just
got zapped into another room and that was the scene
where I forgot to lock my shoulders in place. So
the shackles I have on are actually quite heavy, what
about eight nine pounds. And when I landed, I did
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the landing fine, and then when I landed, I let
these ghosts the inertia took them into my chest and
just knocked all the window. Me and all of the
stunt guys are like behind the door and they're like
good man, I'm like Nanana, And once again, the one
thing that can save the day is the one thing
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that Clary can't do. And again, I remember we talked
a lot about this scene with Matt because he's you know,
he's doing there, going well, Alec is just standing here.
Why isn't he intervening? Why isn't he you know? But
I think Alec is the most perceptive of us all.
He can tell that Sebastian is an experienced shadow hunter,
and he can tell what's going on. And I don't know,
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I think him. Look at him making a potion, look
at Alan making a potion as magnus. It is exactly
what he does with his hands. It is so right.
So let me cut back to outside the door and
Sebastian basically gets in Clary's face and said, hey, here's
all the horrible stuff that's going to make you feel something. Yeah,
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feel it. Your father doesn't love you, your mother's dead,
she's never coming back. And it works. And the only
reasons to yeah, the only reason he knows how to
access it is because he feels the same way. You're
all learning the road, no one loves you, and they're
about to drink the potion to switch themselves back. I
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remember this stunt too, We did this other so okay,
so this wire stunt when it cuts back inside and
both of them are kind of lifting off the ground
and they're switching back into each other. It's again, it's
another advantage we have of having this br studio and
our amazing stunt team who's able to rig this, but
also the combination of practical and visual effects when they're
both used, well, the way that their eyes go black
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and you almost kind of see their souls being sucked
into each other. All with an open portal, All with
an open portal just sat there, but portals one way.
Uh yes, So the thing with portals is you have
to know where you're going. Yeah, otherwise you end up
in limbo. I remember they're only open for a particular
amount of time or unless they're you know, clothed. But
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uh this so I love that. You know, as soon
as they're release, they start grappling for the portal and
then Claire just runs in it just tackles them through
the portal. Claire's like, yeah, I know how this works. Boom,
where did you go? Thought? Nice? Yeah? Nice, that was brave.
You didn't know that that's why you were going to
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end up um well, because it would be clary that
controls where it goes at that point, because you were
thinking about it, because I you think of the place
you want to go, and it takes so the portals
are like like multi use, but you it's you the
user that Oh I see, I know that. That's interesting.
It's that's why when right before Jocelyn pushed Clary into
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doth portal, she goes, think about Luke, right right, right,
and so she pops into the police station or find
Luke or whatever. So obviously, well Luke's at the police station. Yeah,
look at that good boyfriend helping to clean up the mess. Yeah,
bless him, honestly, considering what they just went through. One
broken bottle on the floor doesn't really seem like that bad.
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It doesn't seem too much. Yeah, right, A lot of
expensive stuff in that apartment lot could have gone south,
a lot of a lot of stuff that had been broken.
I also assume Magnus's apartment is a bit delicate in
a lot of those ways. With all of his magical
items and tinctures and potions. Can you imagine how many
things could just accidentally get knocked together and just explode? Well, yeah,
that's a good point. Yeah, how many of those two
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things next to each other, like an accidental atom bottom. Yeah.
But also because so much of it is antiques, Like
there's a lot of stuff in there that's one of
the kind, right, Like, there's a lot of stuff in
there that must be worth an absolute fortune, especially the
statue of the googly eyes on them. I mean the
statue of the googles we know was process that now
lives in Harry's house. Oh does it really Harry as it? Yeah,
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he took the one of the busts from in there. Nice. Yeah,
this looks like a quick props fix. I don't think
it was, because there's a lot of background that don't
have umbrellas. I think they didn't know it was going
to be raining. Oh, this was definitely a quick fix
because I remember that we were shooting this in January
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or February, and you know that in Toronto that's when
all the weather happens. Yeah, so I remember the scene. Yeah, yeah,
I think I went to visit set that night and
it wasn't it wasn't just rain. It was almost snow.
That's how cold it was. So, of course, just a
nice little quick fix with an umbrella. It does provide
a nice symmetry though in those that kind of medium
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tight shot m h oh, yeah, I remember this scene
being creepy. I mean, you got to feel bad for
for Sebastian. You gotta feel you gotta feel bad for
the Bastian a little bit like if you didn't know,
he just thrust you out. Yeah, I know, but he
doesn't know any better, Okay, well, aside from the brother
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sister stuff, aside from aside from that little that little
but if you think about it without knowing that it's
a new shadow Hunter and from Clary's perspective, you know
it's a new shadow Hunter, So I would feel bad
for having to deny someone. I don't feel bad for
Sebastian at all, fair enough, It's just like he's so
nice and he was like, hey, do you want to
grab dinner? And she has to go data of the Empire. Yeah,
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it's a bit knowing what we know now, it's so creepy,
so creepy. I still can't believe that the incest storylines
went on for so long in the books. Fucking blows
my mind. Yeah, I don't know. I can't speak to that.
This is a nice scene as well. It's a nice,
very genuine scene. Simon so so self sacrificial. He's willing
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to end the relationship as long as Clay's happy. Yeah,
this scene was fun. So this scene between me, Me
and I was really good fun because there was a
version of this where I said stuff back to her
and we, I think on the day, ended up taking
all of that out. She says everything and I don't
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have any words, and it's just reactionary and I just
got to sort of watch and listen to my grandmother
telling me, like, this is who you are and this
is where you're from. And it was it was fun,
you know, it was like painting with the empty spaces,
you know. Yeah, and me Me's so fucking brilliant, like
being what. It's such a gift to be able to
work with her, it really is. I miss her so much.
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But sometimes, you know, as to your point, you don't
need the words, especially in a situation like this, because
we've seen Jason's story, We've seen how much he's been
trying to figure out for most of his life who
he is and where he fits in and what his
family lineage means. And for the fourth time, you've finally
gotten an answer, and it's Finally, the truth that I
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come from this line, like this actually revered line of
shadow hunters, the shadow hunters who have been respected for generations.
Is like, it's just the biggest thing to him. You know,
he's always going to be a lightwood in his head.
That's that's how he was born and raised. And but
this like knowing that there's that you have a history
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rather than it just being a big question mark above
your you know, your last name is a is a
huge thing. Well, and so too. He spent so much
time thinking that his father is the bigs villain of
all time, and he finds out that his father died
a hero and that he was one of the most
revered and most beloved and most mourned shadow hunters in
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so many years. And you know that he now has
a family who loves him and wants him. That's huge,
I warns him, You're right, that's a big thing. Yeah, Well,
here we are at the end of this episode. That's
this next episode is interesting because this next episode, it's
one of those where you know, this was shot back
in what twenty seventeen. I was really proud of our
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writers because they started tackling some things that were not
necessarily seemed tackleable in television, or at least in this
kind of television, and it's when we get into the
whole kind of down world tracking bits. Yeah, and it's
really interesting, and I was really happy that that, you know,
the show took that head on and played that out
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in the way that they did. It was brave. It
was a brave thing to do at the time because
they I mean, these like issues within the world. We've
said it so many times that so much of what
we did under the guise of something a little fantastical
actually was grounded in reality and ended up being sort
of a narrative of what was going on at the time,
and that you know, these stories needed to be told
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from that perspective. We needed to understand them from that perspective,
and we still do and we still need to continue
writing and making those stories. So kudos to the writers
for taking those steps, especially in a young adult show.
You know, I think it's arguably more important to put
those stories in there with the new generation, who you know,
have their futures to make these actionable changes. And yeah,
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it's a brave thing to do in a young adult
show because it's not always as easy as I was
putting a conversation like race in. You know, with that
something we need to cover, so let's put it in.
It's not always that easy, so good for them for
putting it in. Yeah, and well done to folks like
you and Ali Show who were most involved in that
storyline and able to kind of play it up. But
we'll talk more about that next week. We will next week.
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To get yourself off to something. Go do you. Thank you,
Thank you guys so much. Thanks guys. Return to the
Shadows is hosted and an executive produced by Me, Katherine
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senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our producers
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