Protect yourself after data breach, free PC cleaners & Apple’s China challenge (123 , May 31, 2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A massive data breach. What you need to know and do?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
A popular app finally makes its way to the iPad
fifteen years later, and the iPhone sixteen takes the crown.
It's now the world's best selling smartphone. Plus your tech
questions answered? What's going on? I'm Rich DeMuro and this
is Rich on Tech. This is the show where I
talk about the tech stuff I think you should know about.

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It's also the place where I answer your questions about technology.
I believe the tech should be interesting, useful and fun.
Let's open up those phone lines at triple eight rich
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
We've got some great guests this week, one from our Apple,
one for Microsoft. While they're going to be discussing Apple
and Microsoft, Patrick McGee is going to explain the high
stakes relationship between Apple and China, as revealed in his
new book Apple in China, which I have just been devouring.
It is such an amazing read. Can't wait to have

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him on and later in the show, we've got ed Bot,
longtime tech journalists covering all things Microsoft. We're going to
talk about everything you need to know about the end
of Windows ten, upgrading to Windows eleven, and all the
changes that are happening with that process. Well, I hope
you're having a fantastic day wherever you are, and thanks

(01:38):
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being here. I really mean that. Well, it wouldn't be

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another week in technology if we didn't have another massive
data breach. This time one hundred and eighty four million
logins and passwords are just floating around on the Internet,
discoverable by anyone. This was found by cybersecurity researcher Jeremiah Fowler.
So this database was found online without any password or encryption,

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and it contains nearly fifty gigabytes of emails, usernames and passwords,
and there are credentials for big name sites out there.
We're talking Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Roadblocks, and much more. The
data includes logins to everything from bank accounts to government portals.

(02:44):
This is a big one. It's a lot of stuff,
and the breach is linked to malware called info stealer,
and this malware steals your login info from your computer, cookies,
even screenshots potentially, and cyber criminals love this stuff. Why
is it dangerous? You might say, Oh, come on, they
got one one password that I don't use anymore. Nope,

(03:06):
they probably have a lot of stuff. Because here's what
they do with this information. They take it and they
use it for something called credential stuffing, which means the
chances are you have used that same password at a
variety of counts of accounts online. So even though they
found a password to some random photo sharing site or
photoprinting site that you signed up four years ago, they

(03:28):
have a hunch that I wonder if that person used
that same password at other sites. And what they do
is they go in and they try that username and
password on a whole bunch of other sites to see
if any of them stick and if they can get in.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
This means they can take over your account. They can
use it for phishing.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
They can send you an email that says, hey, we've
got this password, we know you're using it, and you
know they could try to trick you into logging in
to fix something. They can also get into your email
account if they have something like a Microsoft or a
Google log in.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Imagine how much stuff is in your email account.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
People store all kinds of sensitive information in there, tax forms,
medical documents, contracts, very very sensitive info. So you can
check to see if your information was exposed. Not necessarily
for this database just yet. I haven't seen this one
put up online on one of these checkers, but the
common websites. Have I been pned? Have I been poned? Pwned?

(04:26):
Dot com? This site just got a major makeover, and
we've had the Troy Hunt, the guy who runs it
on this show. You pop in your email address and
basically it will tell you if it's been involved in
any of these breaches, and the redesign is much faster.
It's really nice, Like I just popped mine in, says
thirty one data breaches. And what's interesting is it now

(04:49):
does it as a timeline so you can see all
the different databases that your information showed up in over
the years, going all the way back for me to
June twenty twelve. And then it talks about the paste
records where your information is in just one of these
public data dumps like we just talked about, and so

(05:10):
it even tells you where it found January eighth, twenty nineteen.
This next list combo list share than this other. I mean,
there's two other ones, and it's just wild. So there's
a lot of information on here that you can see
where your data and how it was leaked. So for instance,
there was a national public data which we talked about
a lot, trello at and t minted chat books. These

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are all the things that I used over the years.
Signed up for MGM, and now it is of course
on the Greater Web. So here's what you need to do.
You really need to number one, be aware of this information.
Number two, you need to lock down your most important
accounts with unique passwords and unique logins and two factor authentication.

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So if you're looking for a password manager, there are
many many choices out there. They've got them built into
Google with Chrome, they've got it built into the iPhone
with the Passwords app. Here's why I don't necessarily like
using the built in stuff because if they get your Chrome,
if they get your Google, if they get your iPhone,
your Apple ID, they may get access to all of

(06:22):
your passwords. Because now they've figured out how to get
onto your phone, why wouldn't they just open up that
passwords app. So for that reason, I like using a
third party app that is sort of disconnected from the
other stuff, and.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
There are so many out there.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Bitwarden is excellent if you are just looking for a
free password manager. I don't even know how this thing
is free because it's so good that it puts all
these other password managers, Like, why would you pay sixty
to eighty bucks a year when you could just get
this for free. I know I'm the only person that
says that in the world. But Bitwarden is really really good.
Of course, there are others. Nord pass is good one password.

(06:59):
I mean, there's so many. You can choose any of
them if you want to pay. There are benefits to
paying as well. But Bitwarden will do the basics for free,
and it is basic, but it does everything you need
run antivirus, so Windows security. It's built into your computer.
If you've got a Windows computer, just type in on
the search bar Windows Security, and then you'll see where

(07:21):
it's got security at a glance where it says virus
in threat protection. Do a quick scan. Make sure your
computer is not at risk because they talked about this
malware that they installed, Infostdealer that could be running on
your computer.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
So run that.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Make sure that everything's okay, and then be careful about
the stuff that you click. And actually, our guest later
is going to talk about how he doesn't believe you
need to have a secondary antivirus on your computer. He
thinks what's built into Windows is just fine. There's another website.
Malware bytes has a digital footprint portal and it's at

(07:56):
malwarebytes dot com slash digital dash footprint. And this one
was new to me. I tried this this morning. I
haven't really seen this one before, but it is excellent.
Same kind of thing. You pop in your email address.
They're going to text you a code to your email
and then it will give you all the places that
you've been breached, and it is quite thorough. And what

(08:17):
this does differently than the haviben poned site is that
actually shows you the information that's floating around out there
about you. Now they redact it just to make sure,
you know, so you can see the beginning in the end.
But yeah, I look on there, I'm like, oh, that's
one of my passwords that I used to use. That's,
you know, one of my logins that I used to use.
So you get an idea of how easy it is

(08:38):
for these hackers to use this stuff to their advantage. Again,
that's malware bytes Digital footprint, and it's free. You just
pop in your information and see what's in there. The
other thing you need to do is get a two
factor authentication app. I don't know if you've noticed, but
when you sign up for half the websites these days,
they don't even ask you for a password. They just
they say, we're gonna send you a magic link to

(09:00):
your email address. Why are they doing that because so
many people are reusing passwords. They don't even want to
deal with passwords anymore. They'd rather just every time you
log in, text you a code to your email address.
You put that code in on the website and that
logs you in. Because it's secure. It's safer than having
some random password that's going to be hacked. And so
you do need a two factor authentication app. If you're

(09:21):
going to lock down your accounts now again, I would
say don't use the one that's built into your password manager.
Why because if they open up your password manager now
they have access to all of your two factor authentication codes.
And so I would recommend a separate two factor authentication app.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
It's better than texting.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Texting could be hacked, So get something like auth theau thy.
Google has one, Microsoft has one. Those are good, but
a lot of the places online, a lot of the
security experts recommend two fas and duo duo. They like
those a lot. The thing is you need to make
sure if you're using moremultiple devices that this works across

(10:02):
multiple devices, and if you're not, then you'll just be
fine with any of these. I'd probably recommend the two
fas or the duo because a lot of them don't
work cross platform AUF THEE, Google and Microsoft do, but
that brings a whole other level of security sort of
concerns as well. So just get this stuff in order.
It's it's really important, especially with a hack like this.

(10:24):
All right, coming up.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
On the show.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Fifteen years fifteen years, we've had the iPad. This popular
app just made its way there. I cannot believe it.
I use it every weekend with Kim. I'll tell you
what app that is. Plus we'll have your calls and
questions eight eight eight rich one O one eight eight
eight seven four to two four one zero one. Get
those calls in. Go to the website rich on tech

(10:48):
dot tv.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Hit contact. We'll see you right back here in a moment.
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
This whole live like AI thing where you can just
aim your camera at something is absolutely transformative. So Gemini,
which is Google's AI, they have it, which it just
rolled out like it just became available on my iPhone yesterday.
It's free, and then it's available and Android of course.

(11:18):
And then you've got Chatchy BT which also has live video.
So these are a little bit different than your standard
just chatting with chat GYBT or Gemini.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
So what you do is you open up the app
and then.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
The lower right hand corner of both apps, instead of
tapping the microphone, it almost looks like an audio wave
and you tap that and that will get you into
chatting live like voice to voice, like your voice to
an AI voice. But then you'll see there's a new
option when you do that, a little video camera. So
if you tap that video camera, now you can share

(11:52):
your whatever your camera is seeing on your phone with AI.
Why is that helpful? Oh my gosh. I mean, we
haven't even figured out how this is helpful yet. But
for instance, yesterday I had some work done on my sprinklers,
right and after the folks left, they weren't turning on.
I was like, what's going on here? And I had
a hunch that they forgot to turn the you know,

(12:14):
like the handle off, like on the valve or whatever
that like turns off all the water for everything. I
had a feeling because they were working on it, they
had to let things dry whatever. So I aimed my
Gemini at the sprinkler valve system and I said, hey,
is this like my sprinklers aren't the water's not coming through?
Like what am I doing wrong here? Like what needs
to be changed? And it literally said grab that handle,

(12:36):
the yellow handle and turn it to the left or
right whatever. Said sure enough, that opened up the flow
of water. I mean, this is the kind of stuff
that back in the day you would either have to
call a friend that knew what they were doing, call
a professional that knew what they were doing. Look it
up online, try to describe what you're looking at. But
now it's just like boom, it's all there. So I
can't wait to go to like a museum where I'm

(12:58):
looking at art and I just want to say, like, hey,
tell me about this artist. What was the artist thinking
at the time? What was the world like? Or what
does this painting mean? Or what does this sculpture mean?
I mean, I'm talking. It just opens up entirely new
ways of interacting with information. Quite incredible. Let's go to
Greg in Minnesota. Greg, you're on with Rich.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Hello. Rich, Hello, got a question for you. Wonder if
you're familiar with an app that would help me out.
I want to be able to listen to a radio
program such as yours or any other radio program using
a digital tuner on my Android phone. And if I'm

(13:46):
interrupted and I have to leave, but I'm seriously interested
in the program content, I'd like to be able to
open an app and record the remainder of the session.
Have you seen an app could do that? Rich?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
There are many ways to do this, specifically on the
Android phone.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Do you have a Samsung Moto Moto G okay, So.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I mean it really depends on there are two There's
a couple of ways to do this. There's like an
app that you can look into. I've not used it,
but this app called audios au D I A l
S and it looks like it records radio stations. It
says it's got forty thousand stations. I have not personally
used this, but that looks like it's probably your best bet.

(14:36):
And so I'm assuming there's some sort of limit on
the free version of that, But that's the thing I
would try first. Au D I A L S. I'm
wondering because it's probably doing it live. I'm wondering if
your phone has to be open and sort of unlocked
for this to happen, or if it does it somehow
in the cloud. But that's the first place i'd look.
When it comes to the desktop machine, there's a there's

(14:58):
a lot of options. I mean, desktop is so much easier.
You can record with so many apps.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Ors.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
One I like from a Rogue Amiga called Piezo Pi
e z O that's on the Mac side of things.
Super simple recording of anything that's on your Mac. That's
a great one. And then although I have not tried this. Audacity.
I've tried it, but not for this purpose. But it
looks like it can record things that are from your

(15:24):
computer as well, like audio that's streaming on your computer,
so Audacity and that's completely free and open source.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
So that's another way of doing it.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
The other way you can try to do it is
just using the built in recording functionality on your phone.
And if you look at the screen recorder, that typically
records audio that's passing through your phone as well. So
if you go depending on your phone, you know, if
you look at your your screen recording functionality, it will

(15:54):
say record sound in the options, and you can say
non media or me and Mike. So if you had
that selected as media, that would just record your screen
and the audio that's playing on that station.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So a couple ways of doing.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
It, Greg, You know, it's so many of these uh systems.
You know, like back in the day when I was
a kid, I used to when I heard a song
on the radio I wanted to keep, I would run
to the radio or run to my you know, cassette
player and press record. I think you have to press
like play and record at the same time to get
that to go but that's the way I did it.
You always had a little bit of the DJ at

(16:30):
the beginning of all your songs, and then you stop it,
and then the next time your song plays, you'd run
up there again and get it. But that's what we
did back in the day. I mean, of course, then
if then we have all these iTunes and MP three's
and but yeah, if you want to record something that's live,
you're gonna have to use a little bit of creativity
there because now everything is on demand. And of course

(16:50):
that is the way everyone likes it because you can
control it that way. Good question, Greg eighty eight rich
one on one eight eight eight seven four two four
one zero one. Google Photos is celebrating ten years. We'll
talk about that coming up next. WhatsApp is finally getting

(17:11):
a dedicated iPad app.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Can you believe it took fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I don't know what Meta has against the iPad, but
they still don't have an Instagram app for the iPad either,
not an official one. Don't send me the angry email
saying rich, I can download Instagram. Yes, it's the one
for the iPhone. It works on the iPad, but they
have no native iPad app for Instagram, but now they
have it for WhatsApp, so you can take advantage of
the big screen, works with the Apple pencil, keeps your

(17:39):
chats linked up across all your devices, the iPhone, the Mac,
the iPad, I guess thee Android two. So it's available
in the app store. Just search WhatsApp make sure you
get the official one. And you still need a phone
number to activate your account. But this is a big
upgrade from using the website on the iPad for WhatsApp.

(18:01):
So fifteen years in we finally got it. Yay. Not
that I use it very much. I only use WhatsApp
for one person, Kim, our call screener.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I guess in a chat from my kids' school too.
But that's basically if it was my choice, I'd have
everyone use WhatsApp because it works the same across everything,
so and it's very secure end to end, encrypted by default.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
David is in Michigan. David, you're on with Rich. What's up?

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Hi? Hi? Rich.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
I've got a Android phone. It's a LGG eight. Had
it for a while and I really like it. But
I also have a Samsung, but I don't like it
nearly as much. It's too big, but that anyway, that
g eight. I. I was on the internet and for

(18:51):
some reason it locked up. I'm guessing some kind of
a phishing scam or I don't know what, some kind
of a bug. Anyway, I had to it down by
googling how to power it down, and I did that,
and then when I repowered it back on, it seemed
to be doing some glitchy stuff. So I went ahead
and did a factory resett.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh no, what did you lose?

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah? I lost photos?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Oh no, because you did it fast and any kind
of thought as soon as you started like, oh wait
a second, yeah I did.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
I wasn't thinking about the photos, but I probably should
have had them backed up on the memory card because
it has a memory cards.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well yeah, oh one of the Yeah, I didn't do.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
That, but but I looked on I googled it and
it said that as long as I didn't re right
over top of that, that I probably I could potentially
get those back. Is but I'm I'm calling phone with
beer people and they're saying, no, you can't, you can't
get it back.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
You probably can't get it back, but it's definitely worth
trying because someone that knows what they're doing. Can plug
that phone into a computer and kind of look at
the files on there and see if there's anything that's
resembles your photos. Now I think they're probably gone. But
here's the thing. This is a Google phone. Did you
have Google Photos set up at all in that device?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
No?

Speaker 5 (20:10):
I no, no. In fact, I I uh no. Every
time you take on something like a different app or
something like that, then you got to figure out how
to use it. So it seems like, uh, it would
be the prudent thing to do, but I haven't taken
the time to do. In fact, I don't know. I

(20:31):
only have a couple of apps on my phone.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Okay, well, well here's what I would do. Number one,
you had a Google log in on this phone, so
I would, at the very least if you haven't done
this before. Have you gone to a web browser and
typed in photos dot Google dot com.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Have you done that?

Speaker 5 (20:46):
They have not?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay, so go there. There There could be a chance
that when you first set up this phone, is said
or you you know, you opened up Google Photos. Now,
this is an older device, so I'm not sure that
even Google Photos was sort of an option back in
the day. By default, on this device, but you never know,
So go to photos dot Google dot com and check
to see if any of your pictures were backed up there.

(21:09):
That's number one. Number two I would go, you're in Michigan.
I would look up on Yelp like a data doctor
and see if and just maybe get a quote from them,
say hey, look here's what I've got I formatted. Basically,
you formatted your phone, and can you check to see
if you can recover the pictures off this device? Now,

(21:29):
if you have a memory card in there, have you
popped the memory card out and see if you can
access these from a computer.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
I've looked at the memory card and actually I downloaded
a bunch of YEA on my laptop and then I
put that music onto the memory card, and that's what
the memory card could change.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, so only the music is on the memory card,
none of the photos. Yeah, So I mean it's unfortunate
that this happened, and I really, you know, I feel
for you because I it's one of these things where
I've done it before too, you'd you know, I test
a lot of phones and sometimes I'll like format it
when I'm done with it, and I'll be like, oh,
I needed to get that file off of there or whatever.

(22:11):
But most of the time, you know, I'd recommend having
this stuff backed up.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
But uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So the bottom line is a couple places to look,
you know, the photos dot Google dot com, see if
they're there. I don't think LG had any sort of
like built in backups to their devices back in the day,
so I don't think it's anywhere on an LG site.
But the photos, you know, the Google photos might be
an option. If it was Samsung, I would say one drive.

(22:38):
Sometimes they back up to one drive on there. But
let's see, so you got that. And then the only
other thing I can say is is really, you know,
you might download like a file manager like and check
to see if you can look on the files there,
or just look up Google file manager and you can
download that Google files and kind of browse through. But

(22:58):
I think everything has probably been a race when you
did that format. But if you look on YELP data
doctor kind of person, they might be able to look
into it. The other places you break ifix dot com,
they may be able to help with data recovery, so
you can contact them see if they're in your area
and get sort of a free estimate on how much
it would cost for them to do that, but I

(23:19):
think it depends on how much these photos are worth you, like,
are they valuable? Because this may cost you some time
and effort to get something like that back. But thanks
for the call, David, really appreciate it. Please please please
back up. I sound like Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Please please please back up your photos.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Please please please back up your photos. Just do it it,
Just please do that because you don't want to lose
these things.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
And I get it. You got the cloud. It's scary.
You don't know where they are.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
But just if you have an Android phone, Google Photos
very simple, get them in there. Or if you have
Amazon on Prime, you get free photo backup unlimited, so
download Amazon Photos. If you have Amazon Prime, it's not
gonna work for your videos because it only gives you
five gigs for your videos, so go into settings and
turn off the videos thing unless you have it just

(24:14):
a tiny amount of videos. But I have so many videos.
But back these things up please. And then if you're
on Apple iCloud, I guess is okay. I don't know why.
I'm not a huge fan of iCloud, but I guess
it's fine. It's better to have them in there. I
think icloud's a little bit more confusing, but you know,
one drive anywhere. Just get these things backed up because

(24:37):
you do not want a situation like David. By the way,
I mentioned that we're going to talk about Google Photos
celebrating ten years.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Ten years.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I've been using them since day one, absolutely love it.
In fact, I was using them before they became Google Photos.
Remember Picasa, that's what it was called. Google acquired Picasa
in two thousand and four, and this was a desk
app that would scan your whole computer and it was
so cool. It would go through every single file on
your computer and find every single picture and then put

(25:08):
them in this giant scrollable timeline. It was super cool,
but it kept them all where they were. And then
twenty sixteen, Google officially shut down Picasa. And back in
the day, I don't know if you remember this, but
Google Photos launched with unlimited free storage.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
For high quality photos.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
So if you took you know, most phones back then
were only like twelve megapixels, so you'd get like free
storage of all your photos.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And then of course that ended.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Then they gave you fifteen gigs and you can really
find anything in Google Photos. I love the search functionality.
It is incredible how I can find any picture I
want in seconds. Now Google Photos has over one point
five billion monthly users. And get this, nine trillion, nine
trillion photos and videos. So get yours in there, or

(25:53):
get them anywhere, or just back them up. I don't
care if you connect your phone to your computer download
them there, as long as you them in a second place.
But that's not as good. I think cloud and then
somewhere else. Eighty eight rich one on one eight eight
eight seven four to two four one zero one.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Coming up, what do I want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Let's see, I'll give you my review of the S
twenty five Edge. I'll tell you what that's all about.
Coming up right here on rich On Tech. If you
want to keep up with the latest scams and all
things on Instagram, that's what I post there mostly these days.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Rich on Tech at rich On Tech on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
The thing is at this point, because I've posted so
many scams on my feed, people now love to forward
me the scams that they're getting, which is great. I
don't mind it because I can see the trends that
are happening. So, uh, Friday, I get a bunch of
emails from people saying, hey, what's up with this DMV scam?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
And sure enough, there it is.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Everyone is sending them, and I guess it's getting you know,
hitting all kinds of phones. California and New Jersey, all
these different states. It's just customized for like various states,
and you don't even have to live in that state
to get it anyway. So if you get a new
DMV text that says, hey, you have an outstanding traffic ticket,
my favorite part is it says it's going to report

(27:17):
to the DMV. Okay, suspend your vehicle registration, suspend your
driving privileges, and then whatever, what does this mean? Transfer
to a toll booth and charge a thirty five percent
service fee?

Speaker 6 (27:29):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
These scammers are just like throwing stuff at the wall
to see if it sticks. Like they're just like, ah,
that sounds good, We'll transfer it to a toll booth
and charge the thirty five percent extra.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Scammers come on like it's called chatch ebt get better okay,
Like you know, you know you can use that to
like fix yourself and don't send me the angry email, say, Rich,
why would you give them that hint?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Teaching the scammers what to do. They know what they're doing.
I mean, clearly not. Rita writes in from Huntington Beach.
I'm using passwords as my password manager. If I go
to a third party service, is there an easy way
to transfer the information or do I need to transfer
each one individually? Also, what happens the information from passwords?
I just did this recently, very very simple. You just

(28:15):
export your passwords to a file and then the new
program will import it and pretty much everything comes over perfectly.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Now here's the caveat.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
You have to be very careful because that file that
you have with all your passwords, if that's not encrypted,
which is probably not, it's probably comm a separated value
file plain text. Anyone who gets that file could could
have access to all of your passwords. You need to
be really careful when you're switching password managers, like get
the file, move it to the new device, move it

(28:45):
to the new app, and then delete that file like
burn it. Now I'm looking at Apple passwords and I
don't see a way to export on the iPhone. Let's
see if I can do it on the Mac computer.
Let's see if that works. Let's see is there an
export file export passwords? Yes, so you can export rita.

(29:09):
You'd have to do it from your computer.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I don't. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Can you do it from your phone? Maybe in like
the settings. Let's see, you got to go to apps,
so you gotta go all the way to apps. And
let's see if I can find the passwords app. They
changed everything on iPhone to put all the apps in
like the same place.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Okay, let's see Apple.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, I don't see a way to export from the
iPhone as far as I can tell. I mean, doesn't
really look like there's a way to export. See, And yeah,
I don't want to knock Apple for not putting that
functionality there. But anyway, what would you do with the
passwords that are still on your phone? You would just
go through and deletos. Now, what I would do is

(29:51):
overlap the two for just a little bit, Like if
you're switching to something like a bitwarden, use it for
a couple of weeks before you go and destroy the
passwords on your old password.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Man, that's my advice.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Wesa writes in what did companies do with all of
our data, I see no change in my life.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Am I missing something?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Basically, the more data they have on you, the more
they can build a profile of you, and the clearer
that profile is, the better they can market products and
adds to you more effectively. So you're not going to see,
like you know, the change in your life directly, but
all these ads that are targeted towards you become more personalized.
The more data that companies collect on you. Now you

(30:33):
may argue that's a good or a bad thing. Like
if I'm watching Hulu, which by the way, I didn't
pay for it. Last night, I wanted to watch this
new show on there. I think it's called Adults and
it's like a comedy. I have not watched it, so
I can't vouch for it, but I wanted to check
it out. But I refuse to pay the ten dollars
a month for Hulu because I pay for so many services,
and so last night I'm literally like, my wife is

(30:54):
kind of getting a little annoyed at me because she's like,
can we please just watch something. I'm like, I want
to watch this new show, but I refuse to pay
for it, and she's like, well, how much is it?
I'm like ten dollars. She's like, and you can cancel
any time. Like yeah, She's like, what's the problem. I'm like,
I just refuse because I pay for so many other
things that I want this to be included.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
So anyway, we didn't watch that.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
We did end up watching Hacks, which I do enjoy,
and that's on my HBO Max. Now well now it's
it's still called Max, but it will change anyway. I
don't know what my point was. Oh yeah, if I'm
watching Hulu and the ads that come up are targeted
towards me, like I probably would like those better. Like
if they're serving up diaper ads, I don't need those, well,
I mean, I guess I did for the kids. I

(31:38):
may need them in the future for myself, so I guess,
you know, everything is cycles in life, right, but I
don't need them right now. But if they serve those,
I'd be like, Okay, well I don't need those now.
If they served up an ad for I don't know,
a new car, sure. Anyway, my point is that's that's
what they use those for. So yes, you may not

(32:00):
feel the influence immediately, but that's what's happening. Maria writes
in Hey there, I'm been a loyal fan for years.
I do enjoy all the different subjects you talk about.
Let's see, I'm wondering if you're familiar with any work
from home websites or how to recognize what's legitimate versus
a scam.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I noticed you showed us the Amazon scam email. Thanks
for that.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
On Facebook, there's a few groups inviting people to click
a link to see a seminar about digital marketing and
working remotely from anywhere? Are those safe? What do you think, Maria?
They are not safe?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
No number one.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
No just I'm sorry, but companies are not putting groups
about digital marketing to remote jobs like marketing to you
on there, Na run, just just close your computer screen
and run far away. If you want a legitimate remote job,
you got to check a trusted site LinkedIn. And then

(32:54):
there's this website called flex Jobs. I have not used
it to acquire a job, but it it's the number
one job site to find remote jobs. No ads, no scams,
no junk find legitimate work from home jobs with options
for flexible hours and hybrid work. I mean, who doesn't
want that? Who doesn't want to just work from home.

(33:14):
I mean I did during the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I hated it. I could not deal with it.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I enjoy okay, I enjoyed it for a little bit,
like making my coffee. But let's be completely honest. When
you are working from home, you are not doing the
same job.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Oh I can't wait for the emails.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
You are not doing the same job that you would
be doing at the office. Now, I'm not judging you.
I'm not saying that that's good or bad. It is
just different. So, for instance, if I ever worked from home,
what do you do? People schedule things. Oh, I've got
the plumber coming at eleven, I've got the person checking
this at twelve. You got to pick up the kids

(33:55):
at two. You got to do this. Oh and by
the way, can you go grab some groceries.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I need those.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
People think when you're working from home, you're not actually working. Yes,
you do need to get work done, but it is
more flexible, and so I think it's actually more stressful
being at home for some people like myself, because of
all these other external factors like oh, I gotta get milk,
and I gotta you know, pick up the kids, and
I gotta do this It's like you're still trying to
get your job done, but now you've got a hundred

(34:21):
other things. We're at the office. You get your job
done because you're at the office. It's meant to be boring.
Eighty to eight rich one on one eight eight eight
seven four to two four one zero one.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Looks like we've got a special guest.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
My brother just went to Europe and I recommended a
few things tech wise for him, so he's gonna have
his observations coming up. U Plus Claude has added a
new feature, so is Google Calendar. I'll tell you about
those coming up right here, and I'll link everything up
on the website rich on tech dot TV. Welcome back

(34:56):
to rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you,
talking technology at Triple eight rich one O one eight
eight eight seven four to two four to one zero
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You got a message? You want to email me? Just
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(35:19):
guest coming up later this hour. Patrick McGee. I cannot
get enough of his book. It's called Apple and China,
and I have a lot of authors on here, and
I'm not kidding. This is like one of the best
books that I just surprised me how good it is.
So we'll talk to him all about that, and very
relevant with what's going on. I've got a special guest
right now. My brother just got back from Europe and

(35:44):
I recommended a couple of techy things and I'm curious
how those worked or any tech observations he had over there.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Justin Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
Hey, Rich, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm doing well? You jet lagged or what? I am?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yes, very much already. Didn't you just get home? Didn't
you just land?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Well no, no, I got home yesterday, but I woke
up today at like five am. I could not sleep.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh that's called late for me. So so you went
to Europe? What what countries did you hit up?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:16):
So we went to Spain, Germany and Czech Republic.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Okay, and you went there for a Dual Lipa concert.
Can I say that? Or is that embarrassing?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Great? Now everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
You literally like went you flew overseas to see Dual Lipa.
But I understand why. I saw her at the iHeart
Fest in Vegas and yeah, I get.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
It, big fan. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, So what how did the tech work overseas, because
you know it's always intimidating. I assume you got a
an E sim I did.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Yeah, I went with one of those allow super easy
to set up. I gotta say they had instructions that
were really detailed for Android, which is a big challenge,
especially how fast the interface changes and how many different
interfaces and menus there are. So that was actually pretty
nice and it worked perfectly the entire trip.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
So what you set it up?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
You bought it from here, you bought it like on
the app, and then when you landed, what did you do?

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Just toggle it on?

Speaker 4 (37:20):
So it's had to enable it before you go. Oh,
it did, and it just said that once it detects
the network in the foreign country, it'll just start your
time period then.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Right, So it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
It doesn't start the timer until you land and it
finds the network that you're.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Supposed to be on.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, and so it worked flawlessly.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
What about like the Wi Fi calling, did you get
any like calls to your phone number?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Did that work? Or what about texting?

Speaker 4 (37:49):
No, texting didn't work. My phone number didn't work. Yeah,
so I don't know. You know that all goes through
my main SIM with my main carrier, So I disabled
that so I don't get charged for international roaming. It's
like ten dollars a day. So yeah, no, no SMS
worked at all. WhatsApp worked, Telegram worked, I would imagine

(38:11):
signal works. I don't think I tested it though, but
I didn't have a need for any SMS, so I
was out there.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
And any other tech observations, any anything they do differently
over there that you noticed versus here.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, I will say, tap to pay is like the
main way to pay for everything, and it is everywhere
you used tap to pay for all your meals. You
used to have to pay for transit, you know in
Europe in a lot of places they have public bathrooms
that you have to pay for. It's usually like sixty
cents of euro even they had taped to pay pretty

(38:49):
much on all of them.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, that was one of.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
The main things that I noticed, said that tap to
pay was like the primary way.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
To pay for anything, even tapped to toilet.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Huh yep, that's a toilet.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Interesting okay, And what about iPhone versus Android? You notice
any I love like kind of seeing. You know, are
people using iPhone Android?

Speaker 4 (39:12):
A lot of people were using Android out there. I
think I wasn't paying too close the attention to what
people's phones were. Actually a lot of people weren't really
sitting on their phones too much. I did notice that.
But when I did notice phones, it was a lot
of a lot of Android. And I did spot a
one plus in the wild.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Oh wow on my flight home and I get a
ding adam my, you know my boardops. Love when I
just like asked for things like that. Okay, any other observations,
any other thoughts? Would you recommend it?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Ye? I mean going to Europe, Yeah, definitely a lot
of fun. The public transit was also pretty high tech.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Google Maps had.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Every single stop, every train line, tram line, everything down
to the most minute detail. It was extremely helpful. I
remember the last time. I haven't been to Europe in
like ten years at this point. This is the next
time I was here. But the first time I went,
I didn't have any Internet on my phone. I just

(40:13):
went with a non Internet connected phone, so I don't
know how I even made it around, to be honest, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
We were on it.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
We were using it all the time to navigate. One
difference I noticed with Android versus iPhone because my fiance
Darcy has an iPhone and navigating the streets of let's
say Prague, especially you're kind of nestled in these buildings,
lots of concrete buildings, stone buildings, and they have the navigation.

(40:44):
The GPS was unable to figure out which way we
were facing a lot of times on the iPhone, but
Android it worked out pretty much falllessly.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh interesting, Okay, So I have a thought on this.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
So number one, I have found that it's so interesting
you say that because I've always recommended it if you
use if you're walking directions, like if you need walking
directions in a city, I find that the iPhone excels
at that, especially with Apple Maps, not with Google Maps,
but with Apple Maps.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
So we were Google Maps on both phones.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Oh darn it.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I should have told you about the Apple Maps trick,
because I'm not kidding. Apple Maps walking directions in any
city are incredible, but especially in big cities, and I
don't know why they seem to be better than Google.
But I'm surprised that your phone got the lock, because
even in New York City, I have trouble walking around
with my phone because it you know, if I'm not
using Apple Maps, it's like the Android maps for some reason. Anyway, Okay,

(41:40):
good to know. All right, Well, thanks for calling in.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
All right.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
My brother justin you heard that. Yeah, he's getting married
next year. So yeah, there you go. Very exciting. I'm
gonna be the uh. I should have asked him if
I'm still doing that, I'm supposed to be the officiant.
I gotta get my like efficient license or whatever. Let's see,
that'll be something new I do. Okay, told you about
a couple of things. Google Calendar has a new privacy

(42:09):
setting on Android. You might have gotten a pop up
to ask, you know if you want to toggle it on,
but it's basically inside the app. It lets you block
other apps from accessing your calendar data. So if you
turn this on inside your Google Calendar app on your phone,
no other app will be able to tap into the
calendar data from your phone or from your Google Calendar.

(42:30):
So before this third party apps could access your calendar,
you know your calendar information. So you can find the
toggle in Google Calendar menu settings General, and it says
share Google Calendar with data with other apps. If you
don't want it to share with other apps, turn that off,
but just be warned. This could break other calendar related apps,

(42:51):
like if you're using another app that taps into it,
widgets or video meeting tools, so pretty much anything. And
this setting only applies to the official Google Calendar, not
Samsung or other versions. And then Claude has added voice mode.
Claude is sort of the competitor to chat Ebt. They

(43:12):
added voice mode, so if you want to talk to
Claude and hear its responses, you can talk to AI
on Claude and yes it does work on the iOS
and Android apps. In beta, you get free users get
about twenty to thirty voice messages. If you're on a
paid plan you can get more. You can also connect
your Google Docs, your Google Calendar, and your Gmail to

(43:33):
Claude so you can ask about that. But overall, Claude
is still sort of a little bit playing catch up
to chat, g Ebt and Google Gemini when it comes
to voice features and then also the video features. All right,
coming up the best free PC cleaners? Is your PC
kind of run a little gunky, you want to clean
it out? I will tell you what you need to know,

(43:54):
and you can do most of this for free. You
are listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich
on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you, talking
technology at Triple eight Rich one O one eight eight
eight seven four to two four.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
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I'll tell you what the reviews are on that, including mine.

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Uh And we've got a great guest this hour as well,
Patrick McGee, to talk about Apple in China, his book
that is doing really well. I did something this weekend
that I've not done ever in my life. Actually, I
bought two records visited a record store. I know, my
music journey started with tapes and then went to CDs

(44:47):
and then went to MP three's and then went to
streaming and h but this was great.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
So I'm testing this record player.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
It's a US it's a radio shack record player. It's
kind of an all one. It actually does a lot
of stuff. But I needed an album to play on it,
and it's kind of fun.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I've got kids who all this stuff is really new
to them, so they had never seen this before. So
we went to the record store, and you know, there
happened to be one that I found very close by,
and so I was like, all right, let me try
this place. And so we went in there, and you know,
it's just it's a blast from the past immediately, and
there's all these albums and it's just like physical media

(45:24):
is so kind of like feels so outdated at this point, right,
Like we used to go into these stores and shared
experiences of picking things out and sorting through stuff, and
now it's like everything's just a tap on your phone screen.
But it's kind of fun to go back to a
physical experience like this. So anyway, so we walked through.
We're looking and at everything there. But we walked through,
looked to the records, and we were trying to buy

(45:45):
a couple. First off, didn't realize how expensive they are.
I mean, these things are like twenty thirty dollars up
maybe forty dollars, and I thought like, wow, I thought
these were going to be a lot cheaper. Anyway, this
was the funniest part. So I I was looking for
a record I settled upon like a Miles Davis something classic, right,
And I asked this guy who's looking through the album
and say said, hey, can you help me find this?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
He goes, dude, I don't work here.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
It's like, whoops, like you look like you worked there.
I said, well, you look like you know what you're doing,
and he said all right, and he didn't. He wasn't
really he didn't have that much of a sense of humor.
But the best part was then we were looking for
a secondary album and my kid, unbeknownst to me, walks
up to some other person in the store and says, hey,
can you help me find this album?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
The guy goes, I don't work here.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So my point is, I mean, look, everyone that was
in the store maybe a little bit on the older,
like maybe an old timer kind of person. And so
we just both I just thought that was so funny
that we both mistake these people for working at the store.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Both of them didn't. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
The guy who ended up helping me, who works at
the store, very nice, actually a fan of a fan
of me what I do on TV. So he instantly said, hey,
rich what's up. Can I get a selfie? Said all right,
can I get a discount? Didn't happen anyway. I paid
sixty bucks for two albums, and you know, I realized
why people went streaming. You can get sixty sixty dollars

(47:08):
like six months of unlimited music of all the music
made in the world. But I will say when I
put the album on, it was really cool, like the warmth,
the crackling of the you know, just the way it's
Your connection to media is much more when it's physical.
Let's put it that way. And my kid, of course,
the first thing he wanted to do was speed up
the album so that the other album we got was

(47:29):
Taylor Swift, so it was like, you know, like mouse.
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(47:53):
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(48:36):
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(48:58):
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At this point, it says most users don't need it.
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(49:18):
five Edge, Samsung's new phone is in stores. This is
their thinnest phone yet. It is impressive. I put my
review of this on TV under six millimeters thick. It's lightweight.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I've been using it for the past three weeks almost exclusively.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
It's great. I mean, there's nothing I find wrong about
this phone. If you like a Samsung, It's got a
nice frame, it's solid, the screen is great, it's fast,
it's got all the pro features, latest Snapdragon chip. It's
got good memory. The main camera is really good two
hundred megapixels. If you want to see the pictures, go
to my website. Rich on tech dot TV. Very impressed

(49:53):
with all the main pictures in good light, seven years
of software updates and security. The problem is the it
is smaller, so that's going to be shorter battery life
throughout the day. It's probably gonna, you know, need to
be charged. But I found that it charged pretty quick,
so not that big of a deal. I did find
the lack of a telephoto lens is not ideal because

(50:14):
Samsung's are really known for good zoom, especially the Ultra
that I'm used to, and this definitely does not have
as good zoom. But for the main pictures and the
Ultra wides, it's great. Charging is pretty fast, not as
fast as some other phones, but I found it to
be very fast. And the other thing is this phone
can run a bit warm because it's so thin. They
don't have I think the vapor chamber inside is just

(50:35):
not as big, so it can't kind of cool it
down as quickly. But if you want a super slim
design and you can live with some of those trade offs,
I think this is an excellent phone. I think it's
a great Samsung phone. The Galaxy S twenty five Edge
starts at eleven hundred dollars, I know, very expensive, but
they do have deals that knock that price down, trade ins,
all kinds of stuff. So if you want to see

(50:56):
my video review, go to the website rich on tech
dot tv popping the keyword S twenty five Edge or Samsung,
or just look on the home screen.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
It's all right there.

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Eighted eight rich one O one eight eight eight seven
four to two four one zero one. Coming up, we're
gonna talk Apple in their relationship with China, that's coming
up right here.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I'm Rich on Tech.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I've been very excited to talk with my next guest
because I have been absolutely devouring his book. It's called
Apple in China, The Capture of the World's Greatest Company.
It is on sale now, it's getting great reviews. And uh,
Patrick McGee, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
Thanks Rich, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Unbelievable book, really really well done, and it's a it's
a topic that you would think would not be the
easiest to read, and it's this is a page turner.
So how did you, I mean, where did you start
by getting all these stories and the information that you
put in this book?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
I mean, how long does it take you?

Speaker 6 (52:08):
It took about two and a half years.

Speaker 9 (52:09):
I did do the manuscript, like I took one year
off to write the manuscript, but at that point I
had already been a seventy page pitch. I had already
written some big articles about the topic for the financial time.
So I think if you look at it, it's two
and a half years. I would say the starting point
was really discovering what.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
A manufacturing design engineer is.

Speaker 9 (52:27):
That it's a unit called MD within Apple, and it's
the third level of the of what Apple calls the
pyramid structure product development. So without getting too wonky, everyone
knows the first tip of the pyramid. That's ID industrial design,
that's Johnny I've deciding that the iPod is going to
have a chrome back and an all white front, and
then goes over the fence to product design. These are

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the people who have to fit in all the electronics
into the dimensions that Johnny Ive and team have specified.
They have to go, you know, find the materials, et
cetera that Johnny IV specified manufacturing design.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
That the group that we don't really know about.

Speaker 9 (53:03):
These are the people who have to go on the
airplane to get to Asia, scour plants and figure out
where are we going to actually build this stuff, And
in that process they are co inventing a whole bunch
of parts and components and the.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Processes behind those parts.

Speaker 9 (53:18):
So that's where you get the technology transfer in because
inherently these are geniuses who are going off to Asia
to work with suppliers that are of course now in
an adversarial country to sort of train them up, if
you will, up arm them in the world of advanced electronics.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
And that's where it just became really interesting because the development.

Speaker 9 (53:37):
Of that unit was really driven during a time when
China was like our next great ally, we were going
to inculcate a democracy and so forth. But because instead,
under Sesion Pinging, the country turned to belligerent and authoritarian.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
Just as iPhone.

Speaker 9 (53:50):
Volumes just explode to near their quarter billion per year,
that's where you get this really problematic state of affairs.
So a standard corporate history becomes feal political really quickly.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, I mean, everyone, you know, we've heard so many stories.
I mean, fox con has become a household name, and
of course you talk about the rise of that company
and how they assemble the phones in just all the
ways that you know. My main takeaway, and I'm not
done with the book just yet, but my main takeaway
is that Apple just keeps getting deeper into China without
actually trying. But it just keeps happening and happening and happening.

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Is that fair to say?

Speaker 9 (54:25):
Yeah, I mean, so things are a little bit in
a sense worse than they were in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
So by two thousand and nine, virtually everything was already.

Speaker 9 (54:32):
In China, but very little of the value add was
Chinese company it was mostly multinationals operating in China. But
over time what's happened is the iPhone like within itself,
has become more Chinese. And that's because the Taiwanese company
is like Fox KHN, like Pegatron, wistraan Quanta, They've basically
been pushed out because under Seshin Ping, there's this directive

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to prioritize what.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
He calls indigenous innovation.

Speaker 9 (54:57):
The grand policy behind this is called Made in China's
twenty five and so basically like companies that are closer
to this state, so companies that are Chinese, they are
able to get you know, better access to land, better
access to tooling and machinery, better access to people that
man the factories, and by doing so they're able to
operate at lower margins. Right, they also get state subsidies,

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and so by offering lower margins to Apple, they increasingly
win the deals. And so they're often you know, hiring
directly from the Fox con parking lot, let's say, like
grabbing people and saying I'll double your pay on the spot.
And so you're really seeing this like red supply chain
development really being accelerated over the last six seven years
in particular, and that of course is concerning as well,

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because it used to be the case that multinationals had
the experiential know how of how to do this, but
at this point they're actually several years behind. It's the
Chinese companies that are getting all the latest and greatest
cutting edge development.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Now unless you live under our rock.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
You've seen the news, and you wrote this book and
it came out even before a lot of this tariff stuff.
But Trump said, you know, they want a twenty five
five percent or what's the latest of that? I mean,
I guess he said he wants to make the iPhone
here in the US. And if it's not, it's got
they've got to pay like a twenty five percent tariff.
What do you make of all of that stuff? Like
could the iPhone be made in the US? And you know,

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Apple and Trump or Tim Cook and Trump seem to
be like frenemies at this point.

Speaker 9 (56:18):
Yeah, I mean, I would stridently say the iPhone is
never going to be built in America, except that Tim
Cook is under such political pressure to do it that
it would not be surprising.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
It'd be interesting, but it wouldn't be surprising.

Speaker 9 (56:29):
If you had some press release announcing that some combination
of parts or iPhones or something to deal with Apple
was being made in America.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
I say that in part because that's actually what happened.

Speaker 9 (56:39):
After the Obama Romney debates in twenty twelve, Apple really
came under political pressure and so they created this plan
to build the Mac Pro out of Texas. It was
an unmitigated fiasco. To quote one engineer on the product.
I spoke to seven people on the project who all
say it was really, really bad. And in a sense,
what happened is they had to fly in Chinese engineers

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that they had trained at Fox Con to basically come
complete the product and then stamp it made in America.
So it didn't do well in terms of volumes, didn't
do well in terms of margins, and didn't do well
in terms of being actually made by American workers.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
And that was for a.

Speaker 9 (57:13):
Product being made in about five hundred and six hundred
volume per day. An iPhone is being made at peak
season at a million a day, So it's unfortunately, I mean,
I just am not optimistic about it being made in America.
We can talk more about why, but there's a whole
host of reasons. There's probably fifteen or twenty things to overcome.
What do you think the biggest is? What's the biggest
is it? I mean, what do you think that is?

Speaker 6 (57:34):
It's the density of talent. I mean that's actually how
Tim Cook has put it.

Speaker 9 (57:38):
So in other words, like a Jung Joe factory that's
called iPhone City has four hundred thousand people working on
the iPhone at peak season. But then those people aren't
just sort of siddling id by waiting for the iPhone
to come out. They're doing something else, right, So it's
not like Tim Cook needs to open an Apple factory.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
He would need to convince someone like fox Con to
do it.

Speaker 9 (57:57):
But fox Con knows that it only makes sense if
there's a whole host of other industries operating because to
have that number of people, which is already impossible in America,
you can't just be working on the iPhone because the
iPhone only gets made in peak volumes for two to
four months of the year, So what do you do
with the people for the other eight months? Like fox
one is a master of allocation, you know, efficiently sort

(58:17):
of tailor tailor, making all the all the right policies
so that you know they've got their labor, going from
one plant to another to manufacture different products and working
with different competitors. Right, that's why third party outsourcing is
more efficient than vertical integration. But that only makes sense
if you're working within an industrial cluster the size of China,
and we just.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
Don't have anything like that.

Speaker 9 (58:37):
So, you know, even in a dream scenario of Tim Cook,
you know, saying I'm going to do it, I'm going
to commit to America, he would frankly need dozens, if
not hundreds of other companies evolved just to make it feasible.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
We're chatting with Patrick McGee.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
He has written the book Apple in China, and it's
a It's an incredible read. I think what's most interesting
to me is I've been covering Apple for a long time,
and I would say about eighty percent of the stories
that I'm hearing this book are brand new to me,
Like I like, you've taken a layer, Like we've heard
so many reports about Apple and Steve Jobs and all

(59:11):
the products and this and that, but this is like
a new layer built on top of everything that we've
heard in the past, like stuff that's brand new.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So I really think that's what's most interesting.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
To me is I'm thrilled to hear that. Sorry it
cut out there. Yeah, I didn't mean to speak over you.
I'm thrilled to hear that. Because I wrote the book
for the layperson.

Speaker 9 (59:28):
You don't really need to know anything about Apple to
understand the book. It takes you through the supply chain
and through its history and multiple countries, you know, in
a handholding way.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
I think it's pretty easy to read. And it's fast paced.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
You know.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
People have compared to like a thriller, which which is
which is great for me.

Speaker 9 (59:43):
But I also had someone like you in mind, right,
and and basically like if any Apple story was.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Already well known, if it had already been in a book.

Speaker 9 (59:50):
Unless it was just like absolutely necessity, you had to
mention that like Steve Dobbs standing on stage to announce,
you know, the one device.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
I didn't want it in the book. I wanted someone
in a Barnes.

Speaker 9 (59:58):
And Noble to pick up the book and basically think
I know Apple and go to the table of contents
and be like, what on earth it's the sewing machine
repair shop? What does five alarm fire refer to? Who
are the yellow cows? And what is the gray market, Like,
I just wanted the reader to be like, I don't
know any of this, and so I know that you
know tech really well, and so if that was your feeling,
then that makes me feel wild pride.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
That's so amazing because that's exactly what I felt. I
was like, I'm like, this is these are stories that
have not been told before, and anything that was you
sort of get a little bit of it, but not
the full thing because you know that people kind of
have an idea of what you're talking about with the
main stories that we've all heard before.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
So a great job on this book. Again, I don't
know how you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Make a thriller page turner out of this story, but
it is incredible. The book is Apple in China. Patrick,
thanks so much for joining me today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Cheers.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
I hope you like the conclusion.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
All right, I can't wait to finish it. There it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Find it now Apple in China, search it up. I'm
telling you it's a great gift any for anyone that
likes Apple in your life, just get it for him.
It's stories that have not been told before. Put it
on the website. Rich on tech dot TV, all right,
coming up, let's see here we've got a question about
scams and what Google's doing to help. Plus more of

(01:01:10):
your calls eighty eight rich one O one eight eight
eight seven four to two four one zero one. This
is rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech.
Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you, talking technology at
triple eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven

(01:01:32):
four to two four one zero one. We were just
talking about the Apple iPhone sixteen is the world's best
selling phone. iPhone sixteen best selling smartphone in the world
for the first quarter of twenty twenty five. This is
the first time a base model has led the first
quarter sales since twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
And if you look at the numbers, let me bring
them up here. If you look at the numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Apple held five of the top ten spots and the
iPhone six teen doing well in Japan and the Middle East.
The sixteen E also had a pretty strong debut. It
was number six in March, not the whole quarter, but
that was just for March. Now here's the thing. I
said that the iPhone sixteen would do really well when

(01:02:15):
I did my review, I said this is going to
sell a lot. Why because it was the first sort
of like iPhone with the AI stuff that seemed like
it would be a good one to upgrade two and
it had everything going for it. I mean, everything on
this phone is really good. So you've got the number one,
iPhone sixteen, number two, iPhone sixteen Pro Max, number three,
iPhone sixteen Pro, number four, iPhone fifteen, number five is

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a Samsung six, Samsung seven, Samsung Galaxy S twenty five
Ultra number eight. The only non Samsung or Apple phone
the Red Me fourteen C four G that's from Shaomi
out of China. The only non Apple or Samsung phone
in the top ten. The fastest growing segment globally phones

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priced under one hundred dollars. And then finally we've got
another Galaxy and then number ten is the iPhone sixteen plus,
So I mean, what a sweep. iPhone sixteen is like
almost every phone on here, every model is top selling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
That's just incredible, is it not? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
If you have T Mobile might have heard this story
about the screen recording being added to its te Life app.
The latest update to the te Life app included a
screen recording tool. It was turned on by default, and
users were not notified nor were they happy about it.
T Mobile says it only records activity within the app.

(01:03:42):
I guess to help them figure out how people use
the app. Nothing outside, no sensitive info, nothing on your phone.
You can turn off this feature if you go into
the te Life app in settings under preferences. Now I've
got the te Life app on here. I don't seem
to have it on mine, but I guess it depends

(01:04:03):
on you know, your version of the app which you've
got going on your phone. But yeah, if you go
into your Tea Life app, go under let's see your manage,
and then settings, and then under preferences, it'll say the
screen recording thing, So if you want that off, toggle
it off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Users were mostly upset because they didn't hear anything about this.
They're like, wait a second, shouldn't you tell me when
you're doing something like this? And yes, you should. I mean,
any tool that's this privacy invasive should have should be
opt in, not opt out by default. Dennis writes in
for Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. I'm surprised that companies like

(01:04:43):
Google can't flag scams before people get taken. With all
their tech and AI, why can't they automatically detect if
something is phony? Or real Yes, they can actually and
they do. Google is doing a lot with AI to
detect scams. In fact, I have mentioned on this show
why I like Chrome better than the other browsers out there,

(01:05:04):
because Chrome is actually scanning the websites that you're going to,
that you're clicking the links on, and it's giving you
warnings in near real time if those sites are sketchy.
This is a let's see where is it? If you
go into your settings Privacy and security, Let's see where

(01:05:24):
is it there? It is security safe browsing. You've got
enhanced protection, which is real time AI powered protection against
dangerous sites, downloads and extensions that's based on your browsing
data getting sent to Google. Then you've got standard protection.
When you visit a site, Chrome sends a portion of
the URL to Google. If a site seems suspicious, it

(01:05:50):
will flag it, and you can also do no protection.
So there is a lot going on here, Dennis. Let's
see there's also another thing that they're doing. They've got
a whole thing. Let's see, here's let's see, here's how
we're using AI. So Google came out the whole blog

(01:06:11):
post about how they're using AI to combat the latest scams.
And the other thing they're doing is on the Pixel phone.
They've got a filtering spam unwanted notifications they're now using
AI to do, and then also phone calls. So this
is a feature on the Pixel phone. It's called scam detection.

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So it's not only in Google Messages. So if you
get a message that's suspect, it will tell you. But
if you're on a live phone call and the person
on the phone call starts to say like, hey, can
I get your credit card information, literally your phone will
cut in on the conversation and say this could be
a scam, do not do this. They announced it last

(01:06:55):
year at Google Io. I have yet to see this
on my phone, so I'm not using the Pixel on
a daily basis. But yeah, it will literally warn you,
and I guess it listens to the call somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I gotta don't quote me on that because I gotta
figure out how is it knowing that says likely scams,
suspicious activity detected for this call. And then it'll do
the same thing inside the messages app as well. So
there must be a setting in the phone in the
phone app. Let's see, I'm gonna go into settings Scam
Detection Beta Okay, alert you during a call if likely

(01:07:32):
scam is detected. Scam detection will automatically run in the
background of calls that have the potential to be scams.
Your contacts are never screened by using scam detection. You
agree to our terms of service. Scam detection will beep
at the start of the call and every few minutes
after to let participants know the call is being monitored.
Scam detention is as detection is working fully on device

(01:07:55):
and call content is not saved or recorded. Scam detection
is not one percent accurate, and scammers constantly change their tactics.
Always use caution when answering calls from unknown numbers. Okay,
so it's turned on on my phone, but I guess
it's only from numbers that are unknown or likely a
scam to begin with.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
That's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
So yeah, Dennis, I think that that Google is doing
some amazing things with their with their AI and scam detection.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
It's just you may not realize.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
And what I'll do sometimes is I'll take like the
same exact URL that I get, and I will put
it in both Chrome and then Safari and Chrome will
give me this big red screen that says watch out
likely scam. Safari just lets you go right to the website,
not knock an apple. But they're just not doing the
same thing. I don't think when it comes to this
scam detection stuff. Good question eighty eight rich one on

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I see a few in the app store. No, it's
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there's apps.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
This is very important.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
When you hear me mention an app, go to the
website and get the direct link. I usually put the
direct link rich on tech dot tv in the show notes,
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Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
The reason I tell you that is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Because so many of you go to the the app store,
you search for what you think I said, and these
apps they they play on that they make their name
just like a main app, and you get the wrong one.
So always go to the website. But it's Gemini Gemini
by Google. Rich On tech.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Rich Demiro here, rich on Tech talking technology with you
at Triple A rich one oh one eight eight eight
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your question that way. I've got a lot of you
doing that today, so I'm gonna get through some of those. Well,

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you knew this was happening. Went to a new parking
lot for a new store and no tickets. It's all
based on your driver's your your license plate, which I
guess makes a lot of sense, Like why do you
need to do this extra level? I've noticed a lot
of the parking lots are now reading your license plate.

(01:10:25):
In addition, if you look at your little ticket, sometimes
your license plate is even printed on the ticket you get,
you know, like the parking ticket you get, and then
at the end, after you pay it like sometow you know,
sometimes you just can go out, like the the arm
raises because it scans your driver's like your driver's license
keep saying that your license plate, uh, and then it

(01:10:47):
just realizes that you paid and it lets you go.
But anyway, this one had none of that. It just
had ticketless, so you you go in it reads your
license plate, and then when you go out, it reads
it again. I guess it charges you if he needs to.
If not, you know, you can just it just opened up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
It was confusing some folks at the entrance because they're like,
where's my ticket that I pull?

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
No, there is no ticket. It's a big sign, says
ticketless parking lot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Now I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I don't mean there's no you have to still have
a ticket to get in, Like you still have to
like there's like an arm there that lifts. Wow, how
did I make a story that was so easy? So confusing?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Basically instead of the ticket, they're just scanning your license plate.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Sandy writes in I guess after my visit to the
record store, my twelve year old is asking for a Walkman.
We don't have any tapes. Are Walkman's coming back? I
don't think so, Sandy. I don't think there's anyone extolling
the virtues of tape of cassettes, right, Adam, you're a
big music person.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
You're not no one. No one thinks cassettes are good.

Speaker 8 (01:11:48):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Oh oh cool kids, oh, he says, cool kids like them. Uh, well,
if you want to get a Walkman for your kid. Uh,
there's a website called tro spect r E t R
O sp E kt Retrospect, but they leave out one
of the letters and they've got all this stuff that

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is I guess refurbished. I mean everything you're talking cassette players,
CD players, vinyl iPods.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I think this is what they made their name with,
is refurbishing. Like you can buy a refurbished iPod on
this website, and so they do it all. I think
they're out of like Minnesota. Maybe let's see VHS you
can get a VCR. How much is a VCR? One
hundred and seventy nine dollars for a VCR refurbished? Oh wow,

(01:12:43):
that's actually pretty cool. If you want to digitize your
old tapes, right, let's see what else do they have? Polaroid?

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Yeah, that's and then oh they do repairs too. I
guess you can send stuff in all repairs ship free
both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Within the US they'll repair looks. It's like, yeah, a
couple things there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Anyway, if you want to get your kid a Walkman,
retrospect dot com r E t R O s P
s P E k T dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Forrest writes in from twenty nine Palms. I'm moving to
Puerto Virta this July and wondering what to do about
mobile phone coverage. I currently use Visible, but I've heard
T Mobile works best in Mexico. Should I switch to
a US based T Mobile plan or get T Mobile
Mexico when I arrive Forrest, I think if you're moving there,

(01:13:33):
you have to get a plan that's based in Mexico.
You can't use a plan that's based here in the US.
I mean you could maybe for a while, but that's
not really the terms of the service. If you're using
T Mobile, yeah, you can maybe roam there for a while,
but if as soon as they realize that you're like
not going back to the US, they're gonna either cancel

(01:13:55):
your plan or call you or something. So if you're
moving permanently, you got to get a local plan. So
whatever's good in Mexico. I don't even know what the
carriers are there, but that's what I go is, just
do some comparison. Once you get down there, I think
your plan will probably work to roam for a little bit,
but if you're staying there, you have to get a
plan from there. That's you know they reserve that right.

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Let's see here, Diane writes in Everyone's writing in today
iPhone cleanup? Do you recommend any iPhone cleanup apps? No?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I don't. Actually there's so many of them out there.
But the way the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
iPhone is engineered, the operating system is not like Windows.
You do not need cleanup apps. You don't need to
clean up anything on the iPhone. iOS is not meant
to be cleaned up. The only thing you can do
because here's the reason. Everything in iOS is sandboxed, which
means no app can interapp interact or look at another

(01:14:54):
app's data. It's just I mean, yes, there are provisions
for them to build that, but they can't. You can't
go in and run a cleaning app and have it
kind of like delete all the extra files and things
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Like it just doesn't work that way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
So the only thing you could do is like get
rid of duplicate photos with an app, and for that,
I like clean my phone. They will do that, but realistically,
just go through your camera, just go through your list
and just like get rid of duplicates yourself. I don't
recommend any iPhone cleanup apps. I don't think you need them.
Let's see here, we've got Paula from Los Angeles says

(01:15:29):
I the Galaxy nine Plus that I love. I want
to upgrade, but want a phone most similar to the
one I have functionality, functionally, what would you suggest, I'd
suggest the phone I was just talking about the Galaxy
S twenty five Edge. It's available. It's gonna be a
little bit more expensive than the S nine plus. I
don't know if they're even going to give you. Let's

(01:15:51):
see how much you'd get for that, so it starts
at eleven hundred dollars. But I think what's great about
this is that you're a Samsung user. It's going to
be a very easy transition. Clearly you've used this phone
for a long time, and you could probably trade it in.
Let's see how much you can trade it in. So Samsung,
the S nine or the nine plus even go back

(01:16:15):
that far. Let's see here, Oh, oh it doesn't. It
goes back to the ten. So for the for the
S ten plus, you'll get fifty five dollars. For any
other Samsung, you'll get fifty bucks. So hey, I mean,
I think that's better than nothing. If you don't need
this phone, But they also have a lot of other

(01:16:36):
upgrade deals and things like that. Oh, a lot of
those might have changed now that the phone is available.
But I'd say the S twenty five Edge. If you
don't want something, if you don't want to spend something
that's that expensive, I would just go with the Pixel
nine A.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
That's what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Four hundred bucks, five hundred dollars and yeah, four ninety
nine and that gives you really good camera, seven years
of updates. But it's not gonna have that Samsung software
that you're used to, so you may want to stick
with a Samsung. If you're using Microsoft Authenticator, it is
getting rid of its password autofill.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
It's going away.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
They're removing the password autofill feature from Microsoft Authenticator, So
starting in June next month, you cannot save new passwords
in the Authenticator app. In July, the feature is going
away completely, and by August you won't even be able
to access any saved passwords in the app. Now, this
is different than your codes. Your one time codes will

(01:17:34):
still remain no problem, but if you had any passwords
saved in there, you will not be able to access them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Past August, but you can switch to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Microsoft Edge for autofill, and it's not there by default.
You do have to tap a button to turn it
on and transfer those over, but it is easy if
you have if you're going to use Edge, if you're
going to use something else like a password manager, you
can export all of your passwords to a CSV file

(01:18:03):
and move them over.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
But yes, you do have to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Microsoft says everything is synced, it's all in your account,
but you have to give them permission to start using
Edge for autofill versus what you're using. So if you're
using Authenticator for passwords, Microsoft Authenticator specifically, you do need
a plan to get your stuff out of there and
to transfer it to something else. And Disney Plus just
rolled out a new perks program. I'm not impressed, but

(01:18:31):
you know, you might as well check it out and see.
But it's it's a I don't even understan why they're
doing this. It's got discounts on Adidas, fun Co and
Walt Disney World hotels. I should just go to the
website and see what they have, because it's I was
not impressed. It's like I didn't really need any of
the stuff that they put on there, but it was

(01:18:53):
it's just random stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Dash Pass.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
You can get like six months of that Clear Super
dual LINGO two months of that. My kids actually probably
would like that. Uh, but yeah, these are this is
what you get.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Oh. You can also enter sweepstakes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
So they've got tickets to freak your Friday premiere Disney Cruise,
but you do need an active Disney Plus subscription to enroll.
You can check out your perks at Disney plus dot
com slash perks. I mean, I don't know, I'm not
I'm not sold on this. I don't understand it why
they're doing this. I mean, I get it, they're just
selling more stuff to you. I guess some are freebies,

(01:19:29):
but to me, like, come on, twenty percent off at Adidas,
I don't know, is that a big deal. Maybe you
can't get twenty percent off Adidas six months of dash Pass,
I mean so many credit cards include that anyway, Three
months of Clear, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
That's something you could easily get.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I feel like anyway, if you want to see what
you got Disney Plus dot Com slash perks eighty eight
rich one O one eight eight eight seven four two
four one zero one everything I mentioned is linked up
on the website rich on tech dot T. Coming up
this hour, we're gonna talk to ed Bot, longtime journalist

(01:20:05):
on all things Microsoft, plus more right here on rich
on Tech. Still coming up, We've got ed Bot, a
longtime tech journalist, expert on all things Microsoft. He's gonna
guide us through some of the things that's happening with
Windows right now. You know, you've got this big transition

(01:20:28):
to Windows eleven. We've got end of life support for
lots of these apps on there, and oh my gosh,
there's just so much to ask. I hope we'll get
through a lot of it, and then later we've got
the feedback. These are all the email comments and things
that you send in, so if you want to get
those in now, well you've already been doing it. Everyone's

(01:20:48):
emailing today for some reason. Julie writes in Hey, rich
your show is amazing. I'm on my own with any
tech and it's difficult. Recently, I got rid of TV
and purchased the YouTube TV app through Frontier. I then
bought the Roku Ultra, which was recommended. We had a
power outage from our electric company and somehow I lost
the YouTube TV app I've tried everything I can think of,

(01:21:11):
but can't seem to get it back. Any suggestions would
be appreciated. Thank you, Julie. Julie, how did a power
outage get rid of this app? Is so strange, But basically,
as I understand it, the YouTube app is just an
app on your Roku So if it somehow got deleted
in that power outage, which I've got to figure out

(01:21:32):
how that happened, you can just reinstall it. And so
if you go, you can do this a couple ways.
If you go to the Roku store on your streaming
device just search YouTube TV, or you can do it
even from the mobile app or the website. You can
go to channelstore dot Roku dot com, you log in,

(01:21:53):
go to YouTube and press install and that will send
it to your TV. Or if you have the Roku
mobile app, you can do that as well. So a
couple of ways to do that. But yeah, I mean
from your device, just go to the store like press home,
select store and then search for the app. That's the
way I would do it, but if you want to

(01:22:15):
do it for mobile app, but I would just do
it right from the ultra But hopefully you get it
back I know it was it like I've never heard
of a something zapp in it. Okay, let's see here.
Amazon this week launched a new, budget friendly, blank video doorbell.
It's very confusing with Amazon because they've got Blink, which

(01:22:36):
they purchased for I don't know, ungodly sums of money,
and then they also purchase Ring and they both do
very similar things. But I guess the difference is Blink
is much more interested in sort of The technology that
they brought to the table was this really long battery life.
And you know the cameras they have, some of them

(01:22:58):
work on like two years or a year of just
double A batteries. And so this new Blink video doorbell
is sixty bucks. Three double A batteries give you up
to two years of power. So if you want a
video doorbell without charging it every couple of months like
I have to do, you could just get this don't
have to worry about replacing the batteries for two years.

(01:23:19):
The improvements include a one hundred and fifty degree field
of view, so you're gonna get a wider field of view,
night vision, head to toe view, and person detection.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Now here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
This doorbell does require a separate sink module, so you
do need to get that, which I guess you can
use your other cameras. I don't have any Blink cameras,
nor have I ever tested them, actually, so I really
should to see how these things work. I've interviewed people
from the company, but I never really tried them out.
The bundle is seventy dollars, so keep in mind unless

(01:23:51):
you already have that sink module, you have to buy
that with the doorbell, and then if you want local
storage that base that coursing module does not give you
local storage, so if you want local storage, like to
put a little SD card, you have to get the
Sink Module two or the Sink Module XR. Otherwise, if
you get this little doorbell, you got to pay for Cloud,

(01:24:13):
which is three dollars a month.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Also keep in mind is limited to the two point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Four gigahertz Wi Fi thirty second clips and push to
talk audio only, so no back and forth. It's like
kind of more like a walkie talkie style. So again,
you get what you pay for. These things are inexpensive,
but you're not getting the most full featured video doorbell
out there like you would get from ring. Assume it
in Orange County, Orange, California.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
You're on with Rich.

Speaker 7 (01:24:41):
Hello Raach, Hi, Hey Rich, Sorry, let me get you
off speakable fish.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Okay, well wait do we have the whole music?

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:24:50):
Hey Rich, Rich, Yes, you know, love your show.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Thank you well.

Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
I I have at least four questions, maybe one or
two if you could answer a question. One is you know,
whenever I go, you know, then they make me, you know,
use a strong password on the website. Yes, And I
was just wondering whether it pownts first, because sometimes I
use my laptop, sometimes I use my phone, So how.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
It does, so whatever password manager you're using will sync
in the background between your different devices. So I would
recommend a good cross platform password manager like Bitwarden, I
think does a great job. You basically would install it
on your browser and you would install it on your phone,
and in the background, it would just sink those So

(01:25:40):
once you create a password on your browser, it would
make its way to your phone the next time you
go to log into that website on your phone. And
they all pretty much work that way because that's just
kind of the nature of how they work.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
So the only thing I've noticed is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
The the quality of the sync. Sometimes, like you know,
it may not be a media because, especially with the iPhone,
apps are not doing a lot in the background, and
so if you haven't sort of like called up your
password manager app in a while, it may not be
fully up to date with the entire sink of every
password that you just created like a second ago on

(01:26:14):
your computer. So that's the only thing I've sort of
run into when it comes to the passwords. But yeah,
most of the time, if you're creating a strong password,
the password manager will not only let's say you're signing
up for a new website, the password manager will notice
that and it will immediately spring into action and suggest
a password and then save that password after you enter it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
So and then again it will be available across all
your devices.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
But again, when you're looking for a password manager, look
for one that works on all the devices that you're using.
Most of them do, with the exception of course, of
the Apple on is not going to have for Android.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
The Apple passwords. Good question.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Sorry, we can get to all of them, but you
know we've got other shows to do, so coming up next,
ed Bough Talk All Things Microsoft. Ed bo is a
longtime tech journalist and expert on all things Microsoft. He's
joining me now to talk about some of the pressing

(01:27:15):
issues in the Microsoft community.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Ed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Thanks so much for joining me today.

Speaker 8 (01:27:19):
Hey, it's great to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Rich.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
So what is the latest?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I mean, we've got this big transition to Windows eleven,
We've got support for Windows ten ending in October this year.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
What do people need to know about this?

Speaker 10 (01:27:33):
So, the biggest issue is compatibility check that Windows eleven
does before it will allow you to upgrade a PC
from Windows ten. And it goes in and it checks
about a half a dozen things, but there's two that
really matter. One is the CPU in the system, and

(01:27:55):
the second one is a thing called a Trusted Platform
Module or a TPM that's an encryption chip. And there's
a list of compatible CPUs, and basically, any system that
was built twenty nineteen or later qualifies for an upgrade
to Windows eleven. Anyone that was built earlier than that

(01:28:16):
is probably going to fail the compatibility test. And then
there are also a number of PCs that are newer
than twenty nineteen that will still fail the test because
they've been configured using the kind of settings that hobbyists
typically do a legacy BIOS and turning off secure boot

(01:28:38):
and not enabling the TPM so things like that. So
there's a pretty big population, hundreds of millions of PCs
that are going to be told by Microsoft in October, sorry,
you're not going to get any more security updates for
Windows ten and you can't upgrade to Windows eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
So what's the chance that this actually happens on time?
Were my not going to say okay, you can find
We'll give you another six months or a year. Now
I've heard there's like a program that you can sign
up for an extra year, two or three if you're
a business. Is that coming to play?

Speaker 8 (01:29:12):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:29:13):
So, uh, there's a one hundred percent chance this is
going to go down exactly as it's been announced.

Speaker 8 (01:29:19):
Uh for years.

Speaker 10 (01:29:21):
But there are there are basically five things that people
can do to get past this one. The thing that
Microsoft wants them to do, of course, is to go
out and buy a new PC and recycle their old
one into parts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Of course, a copilot PC, you know with that snap
Dragon chip inside exactly exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:29:43):
The second thing they can do is, as you mentioned,
they can pay for updates. Now, businesses and educational institutions
can pay for up to three years. For businesses, that'll
cost a lot. For educational institutions, it'll cost next to
nothing a dollar per pc per year for the first year,
and then two dollars for the second year, and then

(01:30:05):
four dollars for the third year. But consumers can pay
thirty dollars a month if they want to wait a
month or a year.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Thirty dollars a month. A month, Oh my gosh, that's going.

Speaker 10 (01:30:19):
To Yeah, I should I should double check that because
I haven't looked at it lately. But yeah, it's not
it's not cheap, and frankly, I don't think it's an
option for most people unless you have a business that
you're running, a small business that you're running, and you
really need to do that, and you're not eligible to

(01:30:40):
go through the standard business you know, the standard business
program of updates that they have. You know, you need
to be an enterprise customer to do that kind of thing.
But I don't think most people are going to pay
for updates. The third thing people can do is simply
ignore this and you know, use antivirus.

Speaker 8 (01:30:59):
Use Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:31:01):
There's a program called zero Patch, a service that you
can subscribe to that's about two.

Speaker 8 (01:31:06):
Dollars a month.

Speaker 10 (01:31:08):
And they'll take care of patching any vulnerabilities that are
discovered in Windows ten and they're going to do.

Speaker 8 (01:31:16):
That for years.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
And what they're an update, they'll give you what they'll.

Speaker 10 (01:31:21):
Give you what they give you what they call micro patches,
where they actually literally go in and they patch the
code on your PC to UH to prevent that particular
vulnerability from executing. It's a you know, it's a pretty
fascinating concept and and I think it's I think it's
legitimate for someone who doesn't want to pay Microsoft a

(01:31:44):
lot of money for updates, but also doesn't want to
go completely without updates.

Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
It's a it's a good middle ground.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I'm just I'm looking at the thirty dollars figure, and
it looks like it seems to be for individual home users.
It says a one year ESU program, which is what
end of extended security updates.

Speaker 8 (01:32:02):
Extended security updates.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
It looks like it is thirty dollars for one year,
which kind of makes okay.

Speaker 10 (01:32:06):
Thirty dollars per year, right, I think it's I think
it's like thirty dollars a month for the business plan,
and that one doubles in the second year, and then
doubles in the third year. So the third year, it's
like by the third year year up to thirty or
forty dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
And I think it's I think it.

Speaker 10 (01:32:22):
Works out to something like four hundred and twenty dollars
per PC for a business over the course of three years,
which is you know, you could you could practically buy
a new PC.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Well, and that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
But I mean, I understand the look, I mean, number one,
in these companies, if you're running like some sort of
software and you don't want it to break or something,
you just don't want to mess with what you've got right,
everything's working, So I understand why you made want to
extend that. But my other thing is if Microsoft's going
to be making these updates anyway, I mean, why do
they want people to switch to Windows eleven? Is it

(01:32:54):
just because it's like the time has come?

Speaker 10 (01:32:57):
There's well, not to get two technical about it, but
in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, there were some very
significant security flaws that were discovered in Intel's chip lines.
Those are the things that power all those hundreds of
millions of older PCs, and so those those vulnerabilities, specter

(01:33:20):
and meltdown they were called, and they were a very
very big deal. And so basically they represent kind of
a dividing line between an old, insecure generation of Intel
based Windows PCs and the newer ones that have taken
care of those issues. And so Microsoft, you know, basically decided,

(01:33:43):
although they've never come out and said this publicly, but
they basically decided to draw that line right there and
say we're this is where we're going to begin support
for this. God now, now there is a thing. However,
I've written about this. It's one of the most popular
articles that I've ever written, and I.

Speaker 8 (01:34:00):
Continue I continue to get email from people.

Speaker 10 (01:34:04):
You if if you have a PC that runs that
successfully runs Windows ten, you can force it to upgrade
to Windows eleven.

Speaker 8 (01:34:15):
You can bypassibility checks.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Okay, how do we do this? Should we find the article?

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
Yeah, you could find that article.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Will it be as secure? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
That's the thing, like will your computer be because once
you're in Windows eleven, will it be just as secure
as another computer running Windows eleven?

Speaker 10 (01:34:31):
If you force yeah, you know, the difference will be
ninety nine point eight versus ninety nine point nine percent secure.
You know, you're you're not you're not in any danger.
Uh you know, you're you're running the exact same Windows
eleven that's running on on a newer PC. All you're
doing is you're bypassing the technical compatibility checks. But Windows

(01:34:54):
ten and Windows eleven are for for all intents and purposes.
Windows eleve even is a feature update two uh uh
to Windows ten with some security to faults turned on
and uh, you know, and with a slightly tweaked interface
and something.

Speaker 8 (01:35:12):
But it's very very similar. They're you know, they're they're.

Speaker 10 (01:35:14):
Nearly uh that it's more of like additional features versus
exactly a big gange exactly exactly. You know, they could
easily have called Windows eleven, you know, Windows ten point five.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Oh and the article has how to upgrade your incompatible
Windows ten PC to Windows eleven two free options on
zd net dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
And real quick before we go, I've got like a
minute left.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
You wrote an article last year, your your your your
columns are the gift that keeps on giving, and you
wrote about how you said, basically, people modern PCs don't
need antivirus. Can you just explain real quick what your
thought is behind that?

Speaker 10 (01:35:49):
Well, they don't need third part you don't need to
pay for anti virus, and you don't need to download
a third party antivirus program. There is a capability built
into Windows ten and Windows eleven called Windows Defender Windows
Defender Anti Virus, and it used to be kind of

(01:36:10):
an also ran, but these days it ass every single
test that the independent labs do and it's not just
good enough, it's it's it's perfectly acceptable. And the only
thing you're going to get by by paying.

Speaker 8 (01:36:28):
For a third party program is more up sells.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Okay, so look it up under I guess Windows Security.
Windows Defender is the program that actually does it. If
you've got that on your computer, make sure it's up
to date, and Ed says it's gonna be okay, ed Bot,
thanks so much for joining me today. Really appreciate it.
The website Ed bought. Let's see what which website you
want me to give out. You've got a couple of them.

Speaker 8 (01:36:52):
Yeah, let's go ahead and do. If you go to ZDNet.

Speaker 10 (01:36:55):
Dot com, slash blog, slash bot, that should get you there.
But you know you can put it in the show notes.
But ZDNet dot com is where I do most of
my publishing these days.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
All right, Wealth of Information, great interview, Thank you so
much for the information, and get those PCs upgraded or
figure out it's coming soon October. All right, coming up next,
we are going to open up the feedbag that's coming
up right here on rich on Tech, and if you
need the link to Ed's columns, I'll put it right
on the website rich on Tech dot TV.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Back after this. Welcome back to rich on Tech.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Rich Demiro here hanging out with you, talking technology. The
feedbag is just overflowing this week, so we're going to
get right into it so I can get through as
many of your emails as possible. Alan from San Diego says,
I listened to your segment with Dave Citron and his
explanation of what personal information Google collects on us. It

(01:37:57):
was very misleading. He made us sound like they collect
very little and that we are in full control. I
asked Gemini, Well Google collects it's a lot. I also
asked how to control that data for the average user.
Finding and adjusting those settings is very difficult and some
things just can't be controlled. As you said, when the
app is free, we are the product that couldn't be

(01:38:19):
more true than with Gemini. I felt like there wasn't
enough discussion about the loss of privacy during your excitement
over the product. Okay, it sounds like you might be
talking about Google or Gemini. Sounds like you're talking about
about Gemini.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Look, all of these chatbots are collecting data. If you're
using them, they are collecting data. Google says, conversations, uploaded files, feedback,
things are kept for anywhere from auto delete after eighteen
months even with the if you turn that feature off.
Conversations are saved for up to seventy two hours to

(01:38:54):
provide the service and processed feedback, and some conversations are
reviewed by human reviewers and retained up to three years.
So look, yes, if you're using one of these chatbots,
what you say to it is going to be seen,
or it could have the potential to be seen. Oh
more criticism of the AI stuff rich I caught the

(01:39:15):
tail end of your interview with the Google AI rep.
It reminded me of two kids gushing over a new toy.
AI isn't a harmless voice assistant. It's serious and potentially dangerous.
Quantum computing is changing everything. Garbage in, garbage out used
to apply but not anymore. Google, in my opinion, is
inordinately evil. Most people don't realize it. They've strayed far

(01:39:37):
from don't be evil. Please, no more Google reps. They
don't deserve airtime. Wow, here's the thing. All that is
fine and dandy until you use Google Gemini for what
I did last night with the sprinklers, and it's incredible.
So yes, there's always a good side to things and
a bad side. Brian writes it on Instagram, Rich I
love notebook LM. Thanks for putting me into it. I

(01:39:57):
use it for my law work, but my guilty pleasure
is feeding it the detailed notes I take on TV
shows and movies. The results are mind blowing. I uploaded
a couple pages of notes on the plot of Twin Peaks,
very Lynchian, very weird, and it turned my dry recap
into a podcast that was more compelling than most of
the real person twin Peaks podcasts than iTunes ouch. It

(01:40:19):
understands nuanced plot holes, mysteries, and explained what's explained and
what's not. This feels empowering, not scary.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
There you go. Lots of thoughts about AI this week.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Nick writes in another Fear AI could become too powerful,
even while still dumber than us. We already struggle to
stop humans from making bad decisions. What happens when flawed
AI is driving decisions at scale with large language models,
hallucinations might not be caught until it's too late.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Best Nick, Wow, let's see here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Jojo writes in A friend of mine was scammed on
WhatsApp by someone posing as a longtime friend. The message
asked him to zell my to someone else because she
had hit her monthly limit. Since he trusted her, he
sent the money, only to learn her account had been compromised.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Ooh, that's a new one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
The scammers had access to her entire contact list, and
at least four others were tricked the same way. Be
careful if someone's asking you to sell someone else money
or venmo, double check, call them or FaceTime them directly.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
That is that's a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Jess from California rites in, My mom in New Hampshire
has never been into tech.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
No phone, no email, no internet.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
But I got her a grand Pad from Consumer Cellular
and now we've been video calling and sharing photos for
over seven years.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
The best part I manage it remotely as the account admin.
I can update settings for my phone, send her photos,
and even pipe in my Facebook post so she doesn't
have to deal with the actual site. It's secure, easy
for her to use, and gives us a way to
stay closed despite the distance. When one device stopped working,
they sent a replacement right away, no hassle. Every person
we've dealt with has been kind, patient and helpful. I'm

(01:41:59):
just a fan who hopes more people find out about
this great option for older family members. Yeah, the grandpad
is I actually interviewed the CEO or the founder at cs.
I didn't get a chance to ever air that, but
it is interesting and we probably should do a little
bit more on that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Finally, Germo from Los Angeles writes, and I've been trying
out the text ai tool. It seems okay, but it
didn't answer all my questions. I asked for tequila recommendations
and it responded I can't help with that. I asked
chat GBT the same thing, and it gave me a
full list. Not that I drink, but the subject came up.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Okay, what thank you, Germo.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Julie writes in I listened to your podcasts each morning
as I get ready for work and sometimes in the
car if I'm driving.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
I have learned a lot and take notes on things
you talk about. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Julie Mindy writes in I started listening about a month ago.
Very useful, understandable, and you really go into depth with
everyone who calls in. I got tired of politics, but
tech always fascinates me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Thanks, thank you, Mindy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
And Loretta writes in I'm back after almost three weeks
in Egypt. I really missed your show, your texts, your newsletters.
I've been busy catching up. You're the only one I
can truly rely on for tech info, and you explain
it in a way even I can understand.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
Well, thank you, Loretta. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Three weeks in Egypt. Wow, that's a nice vacation. All right,
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