Frampton Comes Alive... With Crime!

A world-famous physics professor fell in love with a world-famous bikini model. The professor obeyed the Laws of Newton, but not the laws of the land. His strange criminal escapade escaped the bounds of all logic when he was caught at an airport smuggling kilos of cocaine and he landed in an Argentinian prison. As the professor knew, every action has a reaction.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnette. Is so good to see you.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
I know where you been.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
How you been since the last time I say you.
It's been a week now.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
It's really sorry to hear that it's been awesome.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh good, Thank god it you're just messing with when.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's not good. You make it awesome.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh look at you.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Every day spent above ground is a good one.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Turning broken eggs into lemonade.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
For totally so juicy.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
That makes anyway you what's ridiculous?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
The helicopter outside the studio.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, yes, they we've been listening to that air beater.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I wonder if we should go outside and make sure
that they're not like ante situation.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
No, I'm sure we're fine. We don't need to know anything.
Ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
From what I want to wind up on our show.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
It comes right in live raid on Ridiculous Crime. Okay, well,
I have something for you. If you got a second,
sure you can just forget about the helicopter.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I can.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I want you to imagine one of the smartest men
in the world I.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Didn't get to do. What's ridiculous?

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This may be one of the worst ones I've ever done.

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Speaker 2 (01:27):
Unfortunately I do remember these things, like I wish I
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Speaker 3 (01:31):
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they got together, they're the ones who did Ago nog.
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Speaker 2 (01:45):
New it couldn't be stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
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Ago Brunch in a jar.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
And it combines the flavors of buttered and toasted a
gole waffles all right, savory bacon slices, sure, and a
drizzle of maple syrup.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
That's all. No orange juice to make it at.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Someone if some like Arizona State Sorority Girl goes like
buck wild on a brunch and just cuts it loose
and then doesn't feel so hot and runs down a
hot sidewalk in flip flops and then falls down and
barfs in a jar. That yeah, it's my guess. Here's
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director with Ago got you know, God bless them. So,
then he continued Ago Brunch in a Jar makes it
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up a weekend brunch on a Saturday or savor some

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good Ago inspired liqueur is the perfect treat. So you
just crack a jar, put a silly straw in it.
You're waiting for the kids to come out of school,
you're in the pickup line, you're just like pounding, just
chugging so hard and then you figure I get pulled over.
They think I've just been eating waffles.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You can't spell Sunday with that.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
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online in some states, and unlike Ego Nog, which only
came out for the holiday season, remember around the year round. Baby,
you gotta be twenty one and older, so no kids.
But it's in a mason jar too, just like you
hit rock Bottom. It's white and creamy. It's the perfect

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way drink white.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Mason jar is glass, right, drink is white.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
It looks like mayonnaise.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
It looks like, yeah, you're just sipping on glue.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Did you know something ago? Brunch in a jar is
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or to enjoy classic brunch flavors during your well deserved
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Speaker 2 (04:05):
They don't know what the word perfect means.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
No, they don't. Here's the thing. Basically, they're saying parents
who hate their children and love liquor drinking with some
lego liquor, and that zaren is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
That is certified.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, you know, this was kind of like mustard Skittles.
We got a lot of tips on. Yeah. I can't
shout out everybody because it was just weird indentated.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Can I just ask why do you people hate me? Yeah? Well, Elizabeth,
I got one for you. If he got a second,
I can do that. Okay, please, If you will, imagine
one of the smartest men in the world. Yes, okay, Elizabeth,
this man, he too, as long as he is straight,
can be felled by the power of the bikini. Yes. Now,
take the case of Paul Frampton, one of the most

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brilliant mathematical physicists alive today. He risked it all to
chase after a bikini model a lost it all. The
spoiler alert turns out the bikini model was fake, but
the kilos of cocaine that the world famous physics professor
smuggled for her We're not wait. This is Ridiculous Crime

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A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.
It's always ninety nine percent to free and ridiculous. Yes,
that's right, Elizabeth. Yes, I got a question for you,
my friend. Yes, you know how I love physics.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I do know that. Actually I've seen this should.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Be scribbling and reading weird stuff. Right. Well, this cat
I'm going to tell you about. He's one of my
favorite theoretical physicists working today. Oh, I've read his journal
papers like I'm a fan of one of them. Yeah,
well he's got a lot of papers.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well no, I'm saying you like one of your favorite
the You have like a list of like four of
your three favorite theoretical.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
John Carlos Bays is definitely a favorite.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Was your second.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I'm not going to fall for this trap, Elizabeth my Man.
Paul Frampton, Yeah all right, Peter, but yes, he also
came alive for crime. He's proposed novel theories for dark matter.
In his theory of dark matter, it would be attributable
to primordial black holes. All words you love?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yum?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right, dark matter, primordial black holes.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yes, so much sense to me.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
He also this guy he created the chiral color model.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
You're kidding.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes, he did the three three one model, which re
expresses the standard model with a different algy day. He
also has built models for matter antimatter asymmetry, and a
binary tetrahedral group as a flavor symmetry speak English, Right,
you love all this. He also, by the way, has
calculated the rate of vacuum decay for the onuantum field theory,
and he constructed a matrix to determine if forty two

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it's truly the answer to life, the universe and everything.
Oh really, no, I through that last one in there
just for you. Okay, So let's say. My point is
this cat Paul Frampton, major heavy hitter in the world
of theoretical physics. But these days, if you google him,
that's no longer the first thing that pops up. Yeah,
Instead you'll see stories about the time he smuggled cocaine
for a bikini model who never really existed. Now it

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sucks if you're a physics academic and an academic journal
like the like Advancing Physics publishes a story with the
headline unc physics professor is convicted of drug smuggling and
Argentina and you're the professor because now everyone in physics
is gonna read this story. There's nobody doesn't know this
story in his field.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Aren't those supposed to be like academic paper is not
like a gossip rag?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah right, yeah, exactly. The physics world, like, hey, we
got one for y'all. You got to put down your tee.
This is gonna be good. Okay, Elizabeth, this cat, as
I told you, he can calculate dark matter and the
vacuum decay rate of imaginary quasi particles. I hate somehow
he couldn't see an old fashioned long con right in
front of him, even when it had been a right
smack on the ego. Okay, this is what happens when

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a middle aged man thinks that Miss Bikini World is
in love with him. Yeah. By the way, the Bikinian
model in question, she is a real woman. She's not
like an ai creation. Her name is Denise Mulaney. She
is an internationally famous model, and uh, I want you
to be able to imagine this person at the other
end of his online communication. Elizabeth, this is Denise Mulani.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Oh yikes.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I think most men would look at that and say
like or aa, or you.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Are they cartoons are cartoon wolves.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'll just be anyone attracted to women would be like
Bazonga Zonga.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yes, she is very curvaceous. She was known for her.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Come back.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I like your cartoon wolf sexuality. Men are just reduced
to like text ap and.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Then I see a guy in like short shorts and.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
You're like, it's the leader hosen, that's what does it
for you?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You like the spender's in something meat. No, okay, we're
learning a lot about Elizabeth today. Well, this theoretical physicist
Paul Frampton, he could, as I said, fully, rationally, logically
believe that this woman who I just showed you reached
out to him, started texting with him, and she fell
in love with him.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Well, poor lady's bikini tops falling off on the beach.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, she's got too much bothosom so hard for her. Yeah,
this man has three degrees from Oxford, and yet he
never questioned the logic of this. Yeah, this is this
is a likely not surprise you. But as I was
about to say, one former student they put it, quote,
women came later in Paul's life.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Oh well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well I mean, but hey, women came later in my life,
you know, ultimately, if you want to put it that way. Yeah,
I wasn't married in my twenties or thirties or any
of that stuff. So I can relate to Paul right now,
Like you could say the same thing. So like, I
don't consider myself naive about women, but this guy, apparently
he was.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Well, I mean, he's focusing on building his career and
his brain. Sure, and the numbers.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, there's more to it than that. Yeah, he's kind
of her. I'll let hit people who know him better
than I explain it. Before he met the fake Denise Malaney,
he had been married. He got married at age fifty,
and his wife was an age appropriate fifty two year
old French woman. She called herself a physics groupie, so
that was fun for them. She was smart, but she

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wasn't like you know, in Paul Frampton's league. Smart but
she He's gonna vanishingly small number of people smart. But
is what ex wife did say of their relationship quote.
I couldn't completely follow everything Paul said because of the mathematics,
of course, But either I could understand the words, or
I could just listen to the music, the music of physics.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
You talk about physics exactly. I have no idea what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Numbers and stuff. I don't know. I love that for
you. You seem to really get something out of this. Eventually,
this music of physics was no longer able to bond
husband and wife, and a divorce it happened. So his
ex wife, Anne Marie. She she said that living with
Paul it was difficult in her words, right, yeah, she
intimated that it was a kin to being married to

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a three year old.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh man, Yeah again, ladies, ladies, we all know about
one marrying a three year old. We all been there.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Count who has dated themselves at toddler so little a
little while after they parted, but then sixty four year
old theoretical physicists, he wanted to find a new wife,
a new partner, because he didn't want to be by himself.
He tasted love, he knew what it was.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, he's three years old.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Exact one's got it dried. Someone's got to do tax reach.
So he tells his friends and associates he's looking for
someone news. He wants to find some lady who's in
her quote prime birthing years, somewhere between the ages of
eighteen and thirty five. Now keep in mind this is
a sixty four year old. No, he didn't quite get
into like the physiannomy what he once, but he did
say he wanted, you know, like a birth and lady.

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You know, he wanted to not quote that was a
direct quote, but he did say he was like, I
want some under prime birthing years into the scientific Imagine
a scientist saying sure, of course, but also keep in mind,
this is a sixty four year old divorced man saying.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
This, and asaurus, oh totally totally now.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
His first attempt at finding new love was a rebound,
so obviously, so he found a young Chinese woman. They
met online, they exchanged emails. He planned to go see
her in China. It worked out that he'd be in
China for work and upcoming trips, right, so he'd be
near where she lived. He's going to visit a colleague
in China. They arranged to meet Chakra of all chakras, Elizabeth.
Because I was not expecting this, the young Chinese woman

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who he'd been emailing with actually agreed to meet him,
and she actually existed. Oh wow, I know, right right,
But the two almost lovers they get together. They meet
for an hour but sadly, Elizabeth update, no sparks.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it just didn't happen, just didn't click.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
So but luckily for old Paul. He then met the
former two thousand and seven Miss Bikini World Denise Maulana.
Either he met fake Denise Malania that he met, but
as far as he was concerned he met Denise Mlani.
Had to be fair, Denise Malani was a little older
than what Paul Frampton was looking for and a partner. So,
but he was willing to make an exception for the
internationally famous bikini models.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh sure, you know, she may not be out the window.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
She wasn't in her prime birthing years Elizabeth. So but
he's like, and I think she's like in her late thirties.
So Paul begins to tell his friends about his new
online galpal, and he's like, you know, these guys all
being like calculation obsessed, you know, chalkboard nerds and physicists.
They have no idea who Denise Malani is so, or
why she's famous anything, right, So Paul used to like
to contantly tell them go look her up on the internet.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Did he like print out her picture and put it
in one of those binders where you can slide a
picture in the front. He keeps all those calculations and
the like who's that?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Who?

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Guys like, it's my gal pal, which is also you know,
reproductive years, So chill.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Out look at her. I mean, look at these prime
fertile hips. Now. One friend did as Paul instructed them
to do. He went home, he looked her up online
and he saw who Denise Mulman he was. And then
he went back the next day to Paul and he
told his friend, you're out of your damn mind. And
he said, and I quote, and I told him that

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you're not talking to the real girl. Why would a
young woman like that be interested in an old guy
like you. But he really believed that he had a
pretty young woman who wanted to marry him. So it's
not like Paul wasn't confronted with the truth. He was.
It was shoved right up in his face and he
was like, I'm going to ignore that. But you have
to understand, this is the power of his mind. He's
a genius, Elizabeth. He's also used to looking far past

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what was in front of him, instead preferring to chase
after elusive things like dark matter or Denise Malani. So there,
his ego was also something to contend with. So, as
Paul Frampton himself told The New York Times, well have
been accused of having a huge ego. Now, to his credit,
his ego was largely earned. I have to give him that,
you know, if one can earn an ego right. He

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started his life in hard scrabble England. He came from
what he dubbed quite a lower middle class family. His
mother pushed him to achieve and she would often brag
of his grades and she would show them to the neighbor.
It's like, look what my little Paul did. Did school? Right?
He went off to Oxford eighteen, He gets a PhD.
He goes to America. He gets a post doc at Princeton.
He goes on to have this celebrated career theoretical physics.

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He writes a ton of papers. Now, his name may
not be as famous outside of physics as say Stephen
Hawking or Richard Feynman, or even somebody like Murray Gelman.
I'm not sure if that one anyway. Murray Glman, he
had eightieth birthday celebration and he's a Nobel laureate. He
was a Murray Galmont. He came up with the the
eightfold way. No, I'm not No, I don't I understand

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that people wouldn't be into the core model of physics.
Who came up with got a good name for TV,
don't he? So they're supposed to lionize this living giant
of physics, right, and Paul Frampton decides to choose to
talk about himself. At one point, he said he liked
to think of himself as quote cleverer than Newton, Isaac Newton.
Hell yeah. He was so taken with this line. He

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repeated it throughout his speech. It's supposed to be about
the eightieth birthday of Marie Gellman, right, and he's exactly,
He's better than fake Newton. And he keeps saying this
like it's like a chorus for a pop song. He's like,
I'm smarter, I'm cleverer than Newton. Right. He also mentioned
his grades at Oxford, and he pointed out that he

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and Newton were in the top one percentile of intelligence. Yeah,
exactly the same metric. It would often come up later
for Paul Frampton. When he was in prison and being
interviewed by The New York Times, he gave the obvious
reason for why he was behind bars being Denise Malani,
and he said the quote, She's in the top one
percentile of how women look. So apparently he was very

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preoccupied with the top one percentile. And you know, he
said as much to Denise Bulani, or actually rather not
Denise Malani, the one he was texting and chatting he read.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
He calculated the symmetry of face.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh you just hang on, he told her. And I
used the term lightly her, he said, quote, as these
days tick by and I think about it a lot,
the more I realize that we are the perfect couple
in all respects, you know, just a physicist and a
bikini model, perfect in all respects.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
He's not three years old, he's like thirteen, exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I like that he believes that he's in the top
one percent of big brains. She's in the top one
percent of big hotness, right, and that makes them a
perfect couple. It's right there on paper calculations. Elizabeth. Admittedly,
this is not where most of us think that life happens,
but you know it does. Because Christy Brinkley married Billy Joel.
This could happen Paul Frampton, you know he could get

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married to Denise Malani. Sure, I mean stranger. I liked it.
I like his way of thinking, you know, I like
that he Denise Malani and Isaac Newton are all elites
and they are the top one percentile. I mean, yes,
Denise Malanni got into the one percent club based on
her bikini pics and her big breast, but her one
percentiles just as important as Paul Frampton's one percent. He's

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invalidating himself with his own logic.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I love it. Anyway. We'll be back after a little
break and I'll get into where the cocaine comes into
this story.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Oh I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
All right, Elizabeth, where worry?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Uh cocaine?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
That's right, okay, and soon to be in Argentinian prison. First,
let's get back to Paul Frampton. Yeah, Paul, my man,
Paul Frampton. So he was working on how to connect
the Higgs boson aka the god particle, with dark energy,
so he could explain the rate of cosmic expansion aka
the Hubble parameter, which shows the universes expanding at an
accelerated rate.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Is this part of the dark arts?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, pretty much to you. Yes, energy The New York.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Times people have dark energy, but they totally do.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah. And some people are dark.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Matter, and in space there's dark and yeah, exactly, that's
what we're talking all these things. You know, I should
start teaching physics.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
You probably could. Yeah, get a couple of books.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
You put on the desk and you let him know
look I read these. If you guys are all full
of dark energy, I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Change your dark vibes. So New York Times they visited
Paul Frampton, as I said, in his soon to be
Argentine prison cell. Now I'm just jumping ahead because we
know that he gets busted. I'd already told you that.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
So at the moment he was in prison, he was
hoping that the President of Harvard would slip a note
to the President of Argentina, Christina Fernandez de Kirchner. And
he was like, you know, while the presidente was visiting Harvard,
maybe the president could just give the note tour on
Paul Frampton's behalf. Now this is what he'd heard somebody
say could happen. He didn't wait, So the President of
Harvard didn't tell him she was going to do this.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
And he wants to slip a note to the President
of arg.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
To get him out of jail. And he was believing
that this is just what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
So New York Times, wait, wait, wait, wait to get
him out.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Of out of prison. He was He's in prison at
this point of the story, right right, because of the
cocaine I'm going to get into that. I'm just telling you.
I'm starting. I'm jumping around like Tarantino.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, yeah, I'm like totally lost.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay. So he's in prison in Argentina.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
And he's you're gonna tell us how that happened.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, I've already told you that it happened, So I
want to know how. I know I'm going to tell you.
Don't worry, You're gonna love this. So he's just basically,
I'm just wanting I want to give you more of
the Paul Framptons stuff at all. Right, the dude is
sitting in prison and he's telling the New York Times,
who's just flown down to interview him because it's a
big deal that this big physics professor is gotten busted
on charges of drug smuggles. Right, So they're like, dude,

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what happened? And he's like, oh, man, don't worry about it.
The president of Harvard's gonna meet with the resident of Argentina.
She's probably gonna slip a note and get me out
of here. And they're like, are you for real right now?
And he's like, oh totally, And he said, and I quote,
I think I've never been discussed by two such important
people in my life, Elizabeth, Oh my god, never happened.
The discussion never happened. New York Times called up, like,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
You're discussing it.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
So, yeah, he made it, he did. He made it
all this press. So one month into his prison's day,
Paul Frampton was willing to now face the truth that
the real Denise Milani was not in love with him. Yeah.
The prisoners in the Argentine prison had helped him see reality. God,
this is reality, my man. They pointed out that who
he was chatting with the whole time was probably not

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even a woman, and instead with some low level scumbag
in an organized crime ring. And that's who he'd fallen
in love with online, and that's who he'd poured his
heart out to. And this is a little bit hard
for the physicists to do the calculations on him. Yeah. Well,
then as the story is coming out, the real Denise Milani, right,
she gets, you know, interviewed. They're like, what's up with

(21:38):
the story, the physicists. He goes down, he gets busted
smuggling cocaine. He says, you're his girlfriend. She's like I've
never met him. I don't know who he is. But
she says, quote, did she feel sympathy for him?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Right, So then this newspaper story gets published. His fellow
prisoners they bring it to him. They hey, look, your
girlfriend's in the papers. She's talking about you, like she
just said she don't know who you are. Man. He's like,
oh yeah, Well he reads the story and he's like, oh,
so the New York Times comes down, he quotes the
story and he's like, well, I feel sympathy for her too, right,
He's like trying to like reach out, And the New

(22:08):
York Times reporter told the physics professor, well, she's still
not going to date you. Pole. No, I'm kidding say that.
I threw that part in there. But anyway, so what
really went down between Paul Frampton and not Denise Belan?
Yes you want to know?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I am so confused?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yes, okay. Well, starting in November twenty eleven, Paul Frampton
was on a dating site maitwe dot com mate maate one. Yeah,
like mate number one, someone exactly you into matan you
like to meet someone to mate. He saw a profile
of a bikini model. It met his criteria for what
he was looking for in his next part, the chesty
bikini model. She had a beguiling smile, warmth in her eyes.

(22:43):
He's like, I bet she might like a physics professor
like me. He was immediately smitten. And at the time
he as I said, he was a in the physics
department at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
He was the chair of the department, and he was
often you know, he'd be at work, obviously he's a chair.
He'd have time to himself. So when he wasn't teaching classes,
he's in his office and he'd get like a notification

(23:04):
sound from his computer bing. He's like could look over
and he's like, oh, look it's my baby, and hey
a click and then be not Denise Malani and she'd
want to chat all right, and the couple they used
Yahoo Messenger as many of us have, right, and she'd
be like, are you there, honey, Just not Denise Mulani
would text him and she'd be like, what are you
doing now? Not Denise Malani would ping him again, like
an hour or so later, and he's just like so

(23:25):
pleased by all the attention. Not Denise Malani is giving
him right, So this attention it's like catn it for
the lonely divorced scientist. So he gets addicted and hook
and also remember who it's coming from, so it's double
Lee working on him. So this not Denise Mlani. She
starts to open up to him. She confides that she's
looking to move on with her life. She wants to
find a real partner, someone who could love her for

(23:46):
who she is, not what she looks like. She's done
being a bikini model. She wants to settle down, have
a family, you know, leave modeling behind. She was tired
of being an eye magnet for lecherous old men and
an arm charm for young wealthy men. Wanted something for
Denise right now, not Denise Malaney asked the theoretical physicist,
do you think you could ever be proud of someone

(24:08):
like me? Now? He told his friends that that he
would be able to love her just as she was.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, I doesn't say she's knocking on the wrong door.
She's like, do you I want to be loved not
for what I look like. He's like, oh, next.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
But he told his friends he would look past her
bikini and her breast and see the real woman underneath
all that glamor in spray on tan. He's like, I
see the heart of the Denise, the tissue. So he
he'd ask her. He would ask her to call him
sometimes because he was like, oh, why don't we get
on the phone and we can talk, and they try
to set up a time to talk, and coincidentally she

(24:45):
would just miss the call or she wouldn't be able.
So part of him we grew a little suspicious. He's like, oh,
we can never manage to do this.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
I just want to talk to her. Jugs.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
You need some confirmation those boobs were real. Part of him,
part of him that was suspicious was apparently very and
underdeveloped because it never really got a hold of the
rest of him because not when not Denise Malani was
right there going what are you doing right now, darling?
And she's like, why do we get on a call?
And she's like, oh, I can't right now. Maybe later.
Right This doesn't bother him, but eventually he's like, you know,

(25:15):
I would like to see you. She's like, okay, well
you you should come to see me next time. On
da da dam My'm modeling. I'm all around the world
that she keeps stalling him. Right. Eventually she's like, oh, darling,
I'm going to be in La Pause, Bolivia, and he's like, okay,
I'll come down to LAPAs, Bolivia, A right, And isn't
that always the way? You're like, hey, we should call
each other sometime. A person's like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure,

(25:36):
but you know what, how about instead come down to Bolivia? Yeah,
you know, like, instead of a phone call, just come
to Bolivia.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Ladies. We've all been there, I.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Mean how many times? Anyway, the internationally famous bikini model
she was working, as I said, and according to not
Denise Malani, she thought the theoretical physicist could use a vacation.
You work so hard for him, so come down and
we can finally meet in person.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
January seventh, twenty twelve, The big day. Paul Frampton sets
foot on flight to La Pause. At this point, he
is now a sixty eight year old physicist. He's off
to meet the bikini model he believes is in love
with him, and why would he doubt if she's texted
him that she loves him.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
He has it in writing.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's like a contract, Elizabeth pretty much. Yeah, so, but
you know, unfortunately he runs into trouble at the airport.
Not Denise Malani had sent him an e ticket now
to Paul Frampton, but when he attempted to use it,
the ticket was invalid. It didn't work. Yeah, right, surprise.
So he gets stuck in the Toronto airport for about
a whole day.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Why is he flying out of Toronto?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
He's flying from like basically I thought he was at UNC.
Yeah he was. I don't know why he was flying
out of tre Maybe his visiting. Anyway, he goes to Toronto
and then he goes from Toronto just wait, next stop, Santiego, Chile. Okay, yes, sir.
After a day in Toronto, he goes to Santiago, Chile,
and then he manages to get over to La Pause
after four days. For four days of traveling, four days

(26:58):
at airport.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
King went from North Carolina at Toronto. Probably had to
stop over and.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
On a ticket that didn't exist until he could then
buy a ticket. And exactly so he arrives in the
Pause and now he reaches out to not Denise Belani
to tell her the good news. I finally arrived, right
and so, but she has some bad news for him.
Oh my, paud, I had to leave right. So she
tells him she had to fly back to Europe for
a modeling job. Right, of course she'll be in Brussels.
And he's like, I know where Brussels is, and so Brampton,

(27:24):
he's like a dog after a bone. At this point,
he's like, I'll get it. I'll get a new ticket
and I'll fly to Brussels. I can join you there
in Brussels, and so he goes. He checks in his
hotel and he's you know, he's like pulls out his
notebooks and starts working on physics.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Wait, he's like, I told all the students I've moved
your class online.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
We're not meaning exactly, pretty much like the classs dismissed
her next weekend until I get back.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
All right, one get on canvas.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
So yeah, just read a book or something. Read one
of my papers. Tell me it was good. So he
tells her. He's like, you know, I'll go back to
the hotel. I'll work on some stuff. Then you contact
me and give me all the updates on where I
should fly, what hotel, blah blah blah. Right, so he
starts working on his like you know, Higgs Bosons stuff
and then he doesn't hear from Mercy. He texted not
Denise Malani and they make a new plant. She gets

(28:06):
back to him. A second e ticket gets sent to him. Right,
it's a ticket to Brussels, so at least he's going
to the right city this time. Yeah, but not Denise
Malani has the one small request for her little Pooky
Pie or whatever nickname she Frampton, right, So she says,
he Pooky, Bye, could you bring me a bag of
my stuff? And she's like, I just need you before
you fly to Brussels. And he's like, I left the

(28:27):
bag in the pause. I really need it. And she's like,
oh are you sure, Lumpia lump why do you need
this whatever whatever a nickname he called her. I'm making
him up Elizabeth right, So he goes. He's like, of course,
what you know you need your your bag? Is it
like importantly the guess it's has sentimental value to me.
He's like, okay, no problem. So he goes to pick

(28:49):
up her forgotten luggage and he contacts a friend of
his like you know, He's like, I'll do that later today.
So he's at the airport. He talks to his friend
of his, who is a physicist and a lawyer, this
lawyer friend, right, So missus Dixon's son, John Dixon, she's
listening to her friend's story. And this is John Dixon's account,
he says, and I told Paul, quote, well inside the suitcase,

(29:11):
swing into the lining will be cocaine. You're in big trouble.
Paul said, I'll be careful. I'll make sure there isn't
cocaine in there, and if there is, I'll ask them
to remove it. I thought they were probably going to
kidnap him and torture him to get his money. I
didn't know he didn't have any money. I said, well,
you're gonna be killed, Paul, So whom should I contact
when you disappear? And he said, you can contact my

(29:32):
brother and my former wife. So he's being all shaky.
My god, so his friend and lawyer, John Dixon, he's
like the Oracle of Delphi the story. And just like
the Oracle of Delphi, no one listens or they misinterpreted right.
So a little after a week after he arrived in
La Pause, Paul meets up with the stranger to get
the luggage bag for his baby not Denise Malani, right,

(29:53):
And he meets the stranger on a quote dark street,
and the bag was brought to him by a young man.
The luggage was not one would expect for an internationally
famous model. It wasn't like an rmez bag, it wasn't givon.
The luggage was just some ratty, plain black carry on
that you'd see like going around the airport turnstile baggage pickup.

(30:14):
You're like, whose bag is that? It's got like duct
tape on it. He's like, just shy of that.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Wait, where are you talking about my luggage?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
So he wheels this luggage back to his hotel room
and so assuage that voice of his friend, the physicist lawyer.
He's like, let me open up this luggage to make
sure there's no cocaine in here. So he does it.
He opens up the luggage. It is empty, there's nothing
inside of it, and he's like, wait, there's nothing inside
of it.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
But it was it heavy enough that he thought there
was something inside of it before he opened it. I mean,
you can tell the difference from an empty suitcase to
a full suit.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Sure, but a couple of kilos doesn't weigh that much.
So if you put a couple of kilos with cocaine
and an empty suitcase. You may not know that they're
the difference.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I don't know. I'm just thinking, how did he not
know he was handed an empty suitcase? When I get this,
three fellow.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
He's just a physicist, Elizabeth. Only he can answer this question.
How did you how did you detect the nothingness in
the suitcase?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yes, that's a good question. Was it full of dark matter?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Exactly? Catching on? So anyway, it.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Got a Higgs boson in it, there's out.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
There's no Higgs bosons, no cocaine knocking inside?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Are Higgs.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
The back of forth?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
But these tell the buns and six packs. It's a
total problem. You're so annoying. How do I get How do.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I get my Higgs bosons in the bun?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
How do I get my quantum fields into my general relativity? Anyways?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Physicist dark matter?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Anyway, So he feels around the empty suitcase. He's like, Okay,
this is weird. It's an empty suitcase. Why does my baby,
lumpy lump need an empty suitcase? He writes her. He's like,
lumpy lump baby, why the empty suitcase? And she's like, oh,
my peachy pie, don't worry. It has sentiment. That is
sentimental value to me. I told you this, and he's like, Okay,
that's good enough for me. Maybe. So the next day

(31:57):
he packs up for the airport, goes down, carries the
empty bag.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
For her and empty sentimental values.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, I love that. My grandfather he gave me that
luggage after the war.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
That roller bag. That's how he got how he brought.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
It all over mountains. He carried that.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
He is a symbol of bravery.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
He has it down generations to generation. He stuffed some
dirty clothes in the bag. And he goes down to
the airport, right, and he's like, Okay, I got my baby,
not Denise Mlani sentimentally important luggage. I've got my own bag.
Let's rock, right, and he flies out of La Pause,
no problems, he checks. But so interestingly, Elizabeth, I forgot
to tell you he did not fly directly to Brussels instead.

(32:43):
I don't know what his deal is on. He just
loves airports. His ticket goes from flies to Buenos Aires
in Argentina. Okay, he flew south.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Sure the other direction.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I don't get it. Maybe it's South America.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's not like I don't know how what flies out
of la Pause. I would imagine you can get to Europe.
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm sure France.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So he lands safely in Argentina, and but now he's
gonna have to wait for a new e ticket from
not Denise Blani for his connecting flight from Buenos Aires
up to Brussels. How long do you wait, Elizabeth? How
long did he wait? Try? Forty hours, a day and
a half and then some for this airport. Like I said,
Homie was a dog after a bone. Yeah, exactly. He

(33:32):
sits up in the buenas Ares airport for damn near
two days, waiting on I don't know, doing physics problems,
eating from various airport restaurants, and just sleeping on his luggage.
New ticket from not Denise Blani. It finally arrives before
he started day three of the airport. Right, So, Paul
Frampton this point, he's almost lost his patience. He's already
contacted friends back home and asked them to get him

(33:53):
a ticket to fly Hi back to North Carolina. He's like,
I got students, they've been online for two weeks. Now,
I've got to do something. But this is when fate
plays a hand. Elizabeth and I'd like you to close
your eyes and picture.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
It as closed.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You are at the Aziza Airport in Buenos Aires.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Are in cam Hi.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
When this temple to flight opened way back in nineteen
forty nine, it was the third largest airport in the world.
It was built during the first presidency of Juan Pern.
You know a Vida's husband.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
For me, it's a nice looking airport as far as
airports go. But as you sit by yourself waiting for
your flight back to the States, you do one of
your favorite activities, people watching. Your Spanish isn't the best,
so you don't always know what's going on, but you
catch sight of a cool looking family. They're all smiles.
The mother huddles or family to the adjacent gate. You
watch as they seat. You enjoy watching this clearly indigenous family.

(34:41):
You guess it. They're most likely from the Imara tribe
in Bolivia. You know this only because they're bedecked in
traditional Bolivian dress and the mother is wearing one of
those cool looking bowler hats.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Oh yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You casually watch the family get comfortable and the father
breaks out some chapperware and give snacks to the kids.
A man seated by himself rather close to you catches
your eye. He's been mostly scribbling in a journal. You
guess he's a writer, maybe a journalist, maybe a poet.
Who knows. He looks far more like an aging academic
of the kind of the science set. He looks like
a rumpled physics professor, which turns out is exactly what

(35:12):
he is. Good job, Elizabeth. Next to him are two bags,
one white, one black. You don't know it and you
never guess it, but inside one of the bags is
a life changing amount of cocaine. There's an announcement over
the airport speakers in Spanish first, then in English. The
heavily accented pa announcer asked for passenger Paul Frampton to
come to the ticket counter. You watch the rumpled academic
look up as if his name was called. Turns out

(35:33):
his name was called, and then he confirms this by
getting up and walking over to the airline employee at
the counter about the gate. You hear him say to
the woman, I'm Paul Frampton. Is the airline giving me
an upgrade to first class? The woman at the counter
at the gate some houses says, no, you're not to
get an upgrade. You see them before, Paul Frampton does.
It looks like a police and dea task force. They
come in, matching jackets, hats, guns, lots of guns. They

(35:55):
aim the guns at the physics professor. One Argentine officer
asks him, are you Paul Frampton. The academic's answers, yeah, yes,
but what the hell is going on? You now, wonder?
Totally geeked out on this excellent people watching. This is
so rare, a police bust in the airport. This Argentine officer,
he asked the rumpled professor, a second question, is this
your bag? Mister Frampton? You lean in, waiting to hear

(36:17):
the answer. You hear the rumpled professor answer. He says,
that's my bag. The other one's not my bag, but
I checked it in. That's good enough for the cops.
They arrest the rumble professor right in front of your eyes.
He's dragged away as he argues in English, no, no stop,
So wait, this is not supposed to happen.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I'm Paul Frampton, So Elizabeth, yes.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
You don't get to see it. But when the officers
take the rumpled physics professor into a secluded back area.
The officers rip open the lining of the baggage and
they discover more than four pounds of cocayem. Oh wow, yes, Elizabeth,
do you know what a honeytrap is?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (36:51):
You do. Well, let's take a little break and after
this we'll get into discussing a honey trap. Elizabeth, I

(37:17):
teased you before with the honey trap, said, you know
what it is? Do you know what a honeytrap is?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Isn't it when you like lure someone into a con
with a beautiful lady?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, or basically sex appeal. It can be a man,
a woman, whoever. You just say, hey, you typically it's
a woman and you if you bait the trap with
a woman, it almost never fails. It's kind of the
same except just a little more colloquially said. So it
may surprise you, or it may not surprise you. Probably
not to learn that Paul Frampton was far from the
first to fall for this long con drug sile muggler move. Yeah,

(37:46):
there was a woman from New Zealand, Sharon Armstrong. She
fell home almost the exact same game. She was an executive, smart,
accomplished woman similar to Paul. She met a new guy online.
They chatted online for months, then they made a plan
to meet in person. They would finally meet in person
in life. She acters, of course, she made a quick
stop in Buenos Aires to grab some important business papers
for her lover. So she was arrested at the.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Airport like a dancer at the thunder down under.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
But he's got my papers, my very important business papers.
So she gets messed, five kilos of cocaine, tried, convicted,
she gets four years, ten months. So yeah, she also
had the same judge in her case as Paul Frampton
had in his case. Yes, So anyway, sitting in his
Bueno Satter's prison, it's apparently an old style South American prison.
On the pavilion that he was staying on, on his level,

(38:32):
there were seventy nine other prisoners like him. Almost all
of them claimed that they were innocent, and Paul Frampton
was just another innocent man in prison with all these
other innocent men. But that's not how he saw it.
To his way of thinking, he was still someone special,
as he told the New York Times reporter who flew
down to interview him, quote, some people will say they're innocent,
but when I talked to them further it becomes very
clear that they were somehow involved. I think people like

(38:54):
me are less than one percent. He is, So now
he's less than one percent. He's in an Argentine prison,
and yet he's gone up in the ranking himself. Anyway,
So his fellow prisoners in prison guards, they used to
like to tease them, Ay, professor, have you won the
no bell yet? So the New York Times included that
they're a little write up on him. I loved that
note moment, just saying anyway, so please imagine this British born,

(39:15):
Oxford educated theoretical physics professor sharing a prison pavilion in
an old South American prison was seventy nine other hardened criminals,
all from South America, most of them on drug charges.
Just picture that moment for a second. Let right, He
liked to get up early on Sunday mornings before his
fellow inmates would awaken, and he put on the classical
music station and the French Yeah exactly, And then when

(39:36):
the hard men woke up, they'd switch it back to
a music video channel that played music they wanted to hear.
Thus was life in prison for Paul. Now, of course,
plenty of picks of the real Denise Malaney. They would
make it into prison, and his fellow inmates were sure
to send them over to Paul, like, look, your girlfriend,
she's in another.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Magazines every time she's rough.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, that was tough on him, so he got to
see how his girlfriend was doing on the outside.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Anyways, before he was convicted and locked up, Paul Frampton
never thought he'd be found guilty. The trouble for him
was that the prosecutors had his text messages and his
chats with not Denise Malani.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
The trouble was that the theoretic physics professor took the stand.
And you don't watch TV, Elizabeth, but I do. And
I know this from law and order. Never take the
stand if you don't have to, NH.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Exactly, he took the stand.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
So, according to the Argentine prosecutor, Frampton had sent highly
questionable text to not Denise Malani. They had his phone
after all, right, So the prosecutor goes into court and
he reads out the text to not Denise Malani and
he's like, quote, on January twenty second, the nine to
forty six am, you wrote from Aziza Airport to the
person you understood to be Denise Milani. Quote was worried

(40:38):
only about sniffer dogs, but more so Oh no, thought
his defense attorney. Yeah yeah, things are not looking good
for old Paul Shampton. So the prosecutor would read more
of these text messages aloud, And there was one from
nine to fifty two in the morning of his airport arrests. Quote,
need to know if your loyalties with the bad guy
agent and Bolivian friends or good guy your husband. Oh no.

(41:01):
There was another damning text from nine to fifty six am.
It was about the hotel in Brussels where they were
planning to meet. The hotel was called Seru Elizabeth Siru.
So this Frampton text. Frampton texted not Denise Malani quote
zero in all caps, right to the hotel. Zero zero
is ambush a right, that's it. Another at ten fourteen am.

(41:21):
So now twenty minutes later, quote, your naivete is bad
for me us this is millions no zero, okay, all
caps at am. Seriously, he starts winding his own pedal,
and at eleven nineteen am, sitting there at the airport
waiting for his flight to finally meet Not Denise Milani,
Frampton switches it up and sends her an email. He's like,

(41:42):
you're apparently not getting my text messages, and he directly
references the cocaine in the email. Always a bad place
to reference cocaine is in your emails.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
This is the email totally. Denise said, no.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I don't know any email, but he writes, quote, this
stuff is worth nothing in Bolivia, but millions in Europe.
You meet me at the airport and we do not
go near the hotel. The agent suggested stay at another hotel.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
So he's in yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
This way, it's pretty much clear that he's arranging the
cocaine deal that he thinks he's doing with, not Denise Mula.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
So it's not like, oh I didn't know my luggage.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, yeah. He's texting like he's
in a crime movie and he's looking at for the
double cross. He's like to convinced. He's like now in heat.
So he just wants he and his baby to do
one last deal and then get free together. There's more
texting emails, so then forty seven am Forramny goes back
to text messages. He writes, Monday arrival change. You must

(42:38):
not tell the coca goons. So now he actually puts
in the word Coca. Oh god, yeah, yeah, it's not
like a band name Coca. You want to see the
Coca Goons, You know your friends, the Cocagoons. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So twelve sixteen pm he writes in all caps because
now apparently he's redlining, He writes, why are you ignoring
me at this last moment, we did not decide how
to meet tomorrow in Brussels and keep Coca and lives zero.
We may lose both, not at Zeru brother sitting right
there in that airport. But barely he calms down because
at one oh six he then tries to get back

(43:09):
into her like graces. He's now texting the normal letters,
not all caps. We may do a cool one million.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
So, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
The Big Prosecutor asked Frampton to explain his text. He
told the court that they were just jokes. No, he
told the New York Times quote, I was trying to
keep Denise amused. I had already decided to fly back
to North Carolina. So to keep not Denise Millennia mused,
he sent her roughly thirty messages and emails. Now it
seemed very amusing to me. I mean like I laughed, yes.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Card.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So what was really wild was how Chile was in
the airport while he's sending all these text messages. He's
got the bag of cocaine, right, and now we know
he knows is there. The prosecutor played security footage from
all his time at the airport, so he's the airport
security camera right and in the foot did you see
Paul Frampton working at a cafe table. Then he just
gets up, he wanders away from his open laptop. He's

(44:00):
leaves on the table next to the two bags. One
is filled with pounds of cocaine, and he just wanders
away and he's just like, I'll just lead by behind
my mismatching his and her luggage with the coke, one
in one without. So he's gone for twenty five minutes.
He comes back. He's doing windows shopping. He's window shopping.
He's just sitting there looking in like how much for

(44:21):
the bottle of rum? And then he's.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Taking that Brookstone neck pillow.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah exactly, I want one for her, one for me,
one for her. Anyway, at twenty five minutes past he
comes back. He uh checks on his stuff and then
he's like, you know what I want to go check
out Brookstone pillow again. Yeah, he goes to another one.
He's gone for another half an hour. He leaves all
the stuff behind again. Apparently he's far more trusting than
anyone I've ever known.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Really.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, so a guy. He also apparently believes, like my
mother does, that God protects fools and children, and he
ain't a child. So yeah. Anyway, there's a lot of
other damning evidence in the court case, Like there was
calculations he had done of how much the kilos of
cocaine would be worth, and it was in frampton handwriting.
According to Frampton, he'd done those calculations after he was arrested.
He was just trying to figure out to calculate the

(45:05):
street value of the cocaine he was caught smuggling. He
was just like, I just want to see what I
was gonna be thrown at me. So I did a couple,
you know, back of the envelope calculations and the calculations
like one gram two hundred dollars, two thousand grams, four
hundred thousand dollars. Turns out he was caught with nineteen
hundred and eighty grams cocaine, and the calculations were more
evidence that quote, my mind works in a strange way.
Yeah it does. Buddy, you're out there calculating. You make

(45:28):
one is you're taking notes on a criminal conspiracy, right
like the Stringer Bell rule. You're just broke right off
the back. And also you're a physicist. Can't you do
these in your head? I mean you can't you do
these numbers? That was multiplying by two? Well, one ram
two hundred dollars, two thousand grams, four h two thousand dollars.
That's multiplying by two.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Does they have a calculator on his phone?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yes? Anyway, I don't get it anyway. So after he
also he decided, you know, mom amusing myself. He calculated
the odds that not Denise mulaney would marry him. Oh
get no prosecutor quoted than the note he had quote
five standard deviations ninety nine point nine nine four percent.
Frampton then explained, quote the criterion for the discovery of

(46:09):
the Higgs boson had to be five standard deviations, which
means it's extremely unlikely to be a statistical fluctuation. Yeah.
Quote calculating the probability that Denise Malani would become my
second wife, which was almost a certainty.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
No, but she's in that point zero zero zero six.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
So, as I told you, you said that they're all
bad jokes. Unsurprisingly, that did not work as a court defense,
even in Argentina, which apparently he had very little respect
for their court, and the court found him guilty. He
sent him to prison, as I've already told you, Elizabeth,
and he went four years eight months.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, so that's where he got to sit and think
about all those emails he sent to not denise Malani.
How he'd laid out their future together. Naturally, he told
her that she'd relocate to where he lived, and she'd
moved to North Carolina and then they'd make a life
together in Chapel Hill. He told the bikini model that
she would have to leave all that behind, as she
already wanted to, because she'd have to be ready for
the wife of a college professor. It's a totally different

(47:02):
skill set herself. Yeah. She wouldn't have to work, of course,
because he had his work, and she could spend her
time working out and making girlfriends at the gym or
yoga studio or wherever else she decided to keep fit.
And when he got home his hard day of calculating
bosons and leptons, they go down to the shore, maybe
take a long walk on the beach. He literally is
the guy who likes long walks on the beach, so
he was like, what do you like to do? I

(47:23):
like long walks on the beach. Eventually, she'scases she would
get pregnant with one of their many children, and after
she lost the baby weight, maybe she would go back
to work as a lingerie model. She could get a contract.
Was Victoria's secrets, because you know, his mind is in
the nineties.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
So he's like, you know, I just want to stand
behind him and kick him in the back of the knees,
just watch him crumble.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
At one point, this fake cocaine cowboy, he told the
not Denise Malaney, You're the best thing that's happened in
my cursed life. I just hope that the scumbag reading
it on the other was absolutely Hector come here. So
eventually the dude gets out of prison, and he'd spent
time working on his papers, his calculations because he's a physicist.

(48:07):
No no, but he did work on new papers of colleagues.
He got some journal papers out of it. He was
advising students from his prison. So, yeah, he still had
one hope in his life that somehow he'd only imagined
in his mind that would be proven real by some
other scientists experiment and that one day he'd win a
Nobel Prize based on one of his predictions. Right, And
he'd made plenty of predictions of new particles, all sorts
of physical models, And he told The New York Times

(48:28):
quote that would bring an enormous sense of fulfillment quite
apart from the Nobel Prize. I predicted a particle that's
actually in the universe. Wouldn't that be a rush? Much
better than other ways of getting a lot of dopamine? Bro,
that's what love does. Love makes you feel like, oh,
you know anyway, but anyway. So when one of his
emails and not Denise Malani, Paul Frampton wrote, quote, I
only think of cuddling all day and having sex all

(48:50):
night with Denise Malani. How can you prove that you
are Denise Malani. Since he didn't have a fellow scientist
to confirm his prediction that she was indeed Denise Malanie,
he had to rely on his own mental and emotional calculations.
He decided she's real and he was obviously wrong. So
now he at at one point did contact a forensic

(49:10):
linguist to ask him to go over some text messages
to prove that he had not written the text messages
and because he claimed I quote I didn't write the text.
I've always known that they were invented. They were invented
by or or for the prosecutor in my trial. The
forensic linguist say he hacked he hired, reported that Frampton's
emails are written in a very formal style and that
no one would expect a professor to use that sort

(49:31):
of language in his emails to a not Denise mulaney.
But that was not the case, and quote, approximately six
hundred words of running text, there's only one contraction, which
was in a message he wrote he said, I'll try
to send you a more specific email tomorrow. The rest
of the time in his text messages, he's substituting the
number two for the infinitive too. He's putting in the
word you for the word you. Didn't seem like him.

(49:52):
It seemed much more like a text speak from like
a teenager. Then there was also the fact that when
one of the text messages which is member. This is
a monolingual theoretical physicist. In his text messages, he apparently
wrote situ like situation in Spanish with the sea. So
that's only something that usually a native Spanish speaker would do. Anyway,
the forensic linguist, they went on the whole thing, and

(50:14):
they say quote. In addition to the above points, I
suggest the text message read like a film script. This
phrase is such as sniffer dogs, the apparent obsession of
the writer with loyalty and therefore it's antithesis betrayal, the
danger ergo as in life death, situacion, the reference to
weapons as in with no gun, and I suggest melodramatic
want to kiss you before I die. As the linguals

(50:35):
concluded the quote, the preoccupations inherent these messages, and more importantly,
the terms in which they are expressed, are not compatible
with a person who has spent his life in academia.
But I mean, it's kind of like the thing I
always tell you. If I was gonna go do a crime,
I would just give my phone to a friend and
have them walk around with it. Because police are so
convinced that if they see your phone somewhere, that's you.
If I was an academic trying to get away with this,
I would type like that somebody who's not me. But

(50:56):
I don't bet he he did that. So he said
he blamed the translator. He said that when he said
he was in court and he said that the text
messages were his and he was joking. He's like, no,
that's not what I said. I said the prosecutor and
must be joking. So that's how you tried to get
out of it. So he's over here using all of
his big brain to try to come up with weird lies. Anyway,
he chalks up all of it. It didn't work. He

(51:17):
decided he's not going to try to go after the
prosecutor at Argentina. He said that, you know, quote, the
whole thing was surreal. Just you know, I'm just gonna say,
the whole thing was cereal. And he's shocked the whole
experience up to not his own foolish, ego driven fantasies,
but rather that the Argentine prosecutor was just out to
get him. So there's a conspiracy too, as he told
The New York Times, quote, you might say, what did
they have against Paul Frampton? And if you as if

(51:41):
you press him, he will add the Argentinian system is
totally corrupt. Do you think that the prosecutor is going
to admit he created this evidence? Not a chance on Argentina.
That's far less likely than him winning a Nobel prize,
And given his choice, Paul Frampton's going to focus on
that Nobel prize. So there you go, the cocaine tails
of the not. Denise Malani, Oh gosh, what's a ridiculous
take away, Elizabeth?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Ridiculous takeaway is that you can be BookSmart, but that's
street smart, as we all know. And that's street smarts
for maybe a little bit more important. And I say
that as an educator, former teacher, I love the former teacher.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
As a professor. Do you want to say that one
more time? Just for the listeners like me?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Sometimes I think street smarts are a little more important
than book smarts.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yes, uph I Burnette, you gotta just say it. That's
on the record. Yes, all right, So thanks for listening, folks,
and thanks for asking me about my ridiculous takeaway.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
I really care.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, okay, Well mine was you can't always trust a
big button to smile. Apparently the same is true for
big breasts, So there you go, or a physicist. Yeah,
so three things we learned today. Anyway, all as always,
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Speaker 3 (53:03):
On a loudspeaker when I'm driving my ice cream truck.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, what do you do when you're not here?

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I did?

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