June 5, 2025 • 52 mins
An ocean-loving, expert mariner Florida man made his living transporting bales of marijuana until the law caught up with him. Then he went to a land down under, where women glow and men plunder (as they say in the song). He made a new life for himself there. Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder? You better run, you better take cover.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren go.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey, Hi Elizabeth Arnett, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I was just having quiet time, my head down on
my desk, like I finished my test early.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I love quiet.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I know you do. I know you finished your test early,
Love quiet.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Listen. Yes you know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Oh my goodness. Jim Morrison yeah right, yeah, period, No,
I liked.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I have to admit I was a Jim Morrison Stan
when I was a young man, Like I was that kid.
But I just found out recently that there was a
memorial bust of Jim Morrison at the perry Leche Cemetery
of Paris, and it was like a head and shoulders
and it was like kind of very famous.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Yeah, and then it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Was stolen in nineteen Yeah, it was stolen nineteen eighty
eight and it's been gone for a long time. The
family eventually paid for a new one to replace it,
but after thirty seven years, the Paris police just found it.
Good job Paris police years turns out totally by mistake.
They were just they were serve a warrant on an
(01:00):
unrelated case. No, yeah, as they said a quote, this
was a chance discovery made during his search order than
by and examining magistrates.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
That's the Paris quotes.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Wow, so they just stumbled across the gym Morrison busy.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, is this important?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It is tacking on the charges now.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I thought that was a ridiculous That is ridiculous French
police recovery.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Years later.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? Please?
Smuggling literal tons of weed? Like tons? Oh oh, this
(01:53):
is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,
heists and cons It is always always ninety nine percent
murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I hope that.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I hope so too. I would like to open with
a reading a poem of sorts from a poet I
can't stand, but that I think you'll appreciate and through
whom this tale I tell you today resonates strongly. This
won't be a close reading, just a contemplation on a theme.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Okay, I'm prepared here.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It is as the son of a son of a sailor,
I went out on the sea for adventure, expanding the
view of the captain and crew like a man just
released from indenture. As a dreamer of dreams and a
traveling man. I have chalked up many a mile, read
(02:51):
dozens of books about heroes and crooks, and I learned
much from both of their styles.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Son of a son, son of a son, son of
a son of a sailor, son of a gun load
the last time, one step ahead of the jailer.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Thank you, thank you. That's right. It's the lyrics to
the song son of a Son of a Sailor by
Jimmy Buffett, James Buffett, Jimmy Buffet.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
My dad.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
My dad loved Jimmy Buffett. I can tell because he
was all about like sailboats in the ocean and cheeseburgers,
and and I think, well, then you know my nephew
is the son of a son of a sailorically. But
I can't stand Jimmy Buffett. I think I was trying
to what I was trying to investigate this. It was
(03:50):
like Elizabeth, I always think he's a good time. Anytime
that you really like don't like someone, you really have
to investigate and think a lot of times, not all
the time, but many times it's the things that you
don't like about yourself or what you see in that
person or what you're afraid you are.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But then I really you're afraid you're a beach bomb
who at all?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What irks me about Jimmy Buffett, I decided, is the
longing that his fans feel for this like life of
no obligation, and then their search for it they kind
of abandon obligation, like the obligation to not be drunk
in public.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You don't like the divorce dad energy.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
There's so much divorced energy, like the fans didn't or
don't like. Do like the infantile describing of any minor
responsibility as quote adulting. Sure that is nails on.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I know you hate that term, but the one that
you don't want Sunday scary.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Sunday scary never I hear that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I Like, I used to be in pitch meetings and
then people would say that that in Monday morning.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
They'd be like, I had a real bad case.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's Sunday scaries, and I'd have to keep a straight
face a zoom call.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I'm just not you know me, I'm more of a
cowboy that I've never gone even.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
If that life is about obligations. And I think I've
told you before that my big run in with a
Jimmy Buffett fan was when I was like maybe eight
years old and the neighbors across the street were like
pre partying for a Jimmy Buffett concert, and this lady
came up to me, like I can see her leathery
dec letee and like the visor over crispy bleached hair,
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Like you can see like her bikini straps under the
tank top.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yes, if you wear a tank top over a bikini.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, yes, yes, and then like shorts and flip flops
and like an anklet and she's no, that'd be amazing. No.
And she was the one who said, you know, like
unbidden walks up to a child and says, the best
cure for a hangover is a tuna sandwich, French fries
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and a chocolate shake.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well, you've always remembered it, so apparently.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It is burned. It is like, yeah, but so.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You ever used medical advice? No, and like good advice,
I never got it's actually correct.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, So if parent heads we want to hear from
you ridiculous crime dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh, by the way, I will represent I've been to
multiple show I have the appeal.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Of Jimmy Buffett's people. Like, okay, So life is about obligations.
People depend on us, systems depend on our reliability. There
should be satisfaction in stepping up and embracing responsibility.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is the cowboy adulting. Yes, this is where I'm
got it adulting.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Just do your life. The Jimmy buz Well, the aesthetic
of Jimmy Buffett is all about abandoning responsibility for pure
relaxations and enjoyment. I love to enjoy things, and I
wish I knew what relaxation felt like. But there are limits, boks.
That's what I say. So today I want to tell
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you a very Jimmy Buffett story. Yes, yeah, it's got
a dash of Stephen Still's.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I'll take it thrown in there. I love, I get this.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
This is more Buffet than Stills, I think.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But this is criminal.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
This is about a complex character, a guy with shifting
obligations that he embraces and abandons in equal turns. So
this is the story of Raymond Grady Stancil Junior.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
A name Grady Stancil j.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, we're gonna call him ray He was born in
nineteen thirty seven. He grew up in Saint Petersburg, Florida.
You could say that he was the son of a sailor.
His dad was a commercial fisherman, and that's a punishing job. Yes,
he was born into a very outdoorsy family and he
fell he fell right into it is your family outdoorsy
Some of.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Them are, yeah, some are very bookish and scholarly, and
others are really outdoors Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah. My dad's side of family very outdoorsy. My mom's
side not so much. They make an effort good you know. Anyway,
Ray total outdoors man. So he started young with the
f when he was six, he helped his dad by
casting out a net to pull in bait for like
big fish.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Oh total yeah, great fish.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And he loved and respected the water. You have to
you've got sailor waterman.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And when he was in his teens, he saw the
destruction around him that dredging was doing to the wetlands
in Florida.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So he went out one day and he sank one
of the big dredging vessels out in Tampa Bay. Yeah.
So a little bit of a folk care outlaw. He
got out of high school in the mid fifties and
listed in the Air Force, but he bailed on that
really quickly, and then he went out to follow in
his dad's footsteps. He became a professional fisherman. So there's
this really great feature ray in the magazine Outside Magazine.
(08:44):
It's a great one. Here's a quote from that where
he's basically painted as the most interesting man alive.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Nice quote.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Stancil was said to be able to back a forty
six foot sport fishing boat into a slip with the
wind blowing fifteen knots and the tide running against him.
Legend has it he wants single handedly brought up a
ninety foot barge that had sunk in one hundred foot
waters using only scuba gear and inflatable tubes. He was
caught more than two thousand pounds of grouper in a
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single weekend. All this despite the fact that he was
blind in his left eye, a consequence of being struck
in the face with a broom as he and a
friend swept the cafeteria floor in middle school. This is good, right,
I shouldn't laugh at the last bit about the eye
that whatever falls shortened. Yeah, exactly. So by the time
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he was thirty, married, four kids, nineteen sixty five, he
gets hired to be the private captain for the founder
of the Dallas Cowboys, Clinton Murchison Junior. Oh wow, fun fact.
Clint was an oil air who funded the creation of
a Swedish pirate radio station that operated off the coast
of Sweden from March of nineteen sixty one to June
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of nineteen sixty two. No one did, I just made
that up. Okay, it really is true. So Ray's gig
for Clint that only lasted a couple of years, and
then when it wrapped up, Ray picked up moved his
family back to Florida. So he started his business running
charter boats. But the waters and the weather very yeah,
and so it's an unpredictable weather, unpredictable business, which is
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not good business.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
It's a tough business. I was saying.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah. So he tried setting out stone crass.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Business where you're what you're investing in you have to
feed it or if it floats.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Is a rough business.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's that's good. That is good.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Saren told that one.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He tried doing stone crab traps, but the pickings were
slimm and like he just couldn't eke out a living.
But then he did, Oh, Zaren, how do you think
Ray was able to make money in Florida in the
early seventies when he had a boat and lots of
maritime experience and skill.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Elizabeth, how was Ray able to make money in the
early seven when he had a boat and limited maritime skill,
lots of marriage talking about me.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're right there, you got it right, Drugs.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Drugs, muddeling, you got He was moving the marijuana rugas.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah. I don't know how he first got into it,
but he was really good at it, really like he
moved weight. So at the time, weed super cheap in Jamaica.
The good stuff grown up in the mountains was sold
by the fifty pound bat sack on the beach to
those who were in the no ten dollars a pound,
if you can believe it, ten bucks a pound. So
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dealers they'd pick up a few sacks and then they
would sell it for one hundred and seventy five a pounds.
That's market. Yeah, but that's a lot of stuff, like
hundreds of pounds.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's a lot to move.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You aren't just shoving that in your undies when you
go through customs.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Now you're now a trucker.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah. So the dealers they contracted with Ray, he's a pro.
He knew every nook and cranny on the coast. Yeah,
he could pilot a boat swiftly, safely. Remember you get
like back at us a.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Lot of sandbars and navigate in Florida. I mean that's areas.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He could read the weather.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You don't want to get beached with the bales.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Of Oh no, he was the ace. So Jamaican weed
was known to be good, but the best weed was
supposed to be coming in from Columbia. So that's where
Ray set his sight.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Nice, there you go.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So he teamed up with this big dog weed supplier
named Raoul Davila Jimeno. And to the rest of the world,
that guy was like a sugar, coffee, and petroleum exporter.
Sure to the drug world, he was the major supplier
for the Black Tuna Gang. Black Tuna Gang got its
name because that was Raoul's radio code name. Ever called
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him Black Tuna, and most of the gang members they
wore these solid gold medallions, these necklaces that had like
a black Tuna emblem on it.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Oh yeah, that looks cool.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It was super cool. It's like their good luck charm.
But it was also a symbol of their gang, and
so Raoul's basically got this like small private army, and
he ruled Santa Marta, Colombia, which happened to be where
most of the Colombian marijuana was.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That is like a beautiful coastal city. Beautiful, it was
just incredible.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So the Black Tuna Gang they ran Santa march To Columbia,
but they operated out of a suite at the Fontaine
Blue Hotel in Miami Beach. Yeah, and they had they
had like in their pocket this vice president of this
fancy Fort Lauderdale yacht brokerage, and he got them access
to specialized boats that could carry tons of marijuana without
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sitting like suspiciously low the water. So the contraband was
transported in these modified boats and they unloaded it at
these there were all these stash houses along the water,
really nice neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, so they like, you know, you wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Neighborhood dumped some stuff at late at night onto the dock, and.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It's just everyone just kind of mind's your own business.
It would take Ray five days to get from Jamaica
to Florida, and it took him ten days to get
from Columbia to Florida.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, this is in the era before the go fast
boats and cocaine, so they're doing the opposite.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
They're taking the slow boats exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So he'd pilot this like specially fitted boat through the
maze of as you were saying, all these Florida inlets
in the middle of the night. His crew would move
the bales of weed from the boat to the beach,
and then the marijuana bundles, which like one of his
guys later said that it looked like horse feed because
it's just big bales of it. The bales of it
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would be weighed on these huge, like enormous scales and
then transferred to the stash houses. And this went on
for years. They were moving like one hundred thousand pounds
at a time, like I said weight. So when a
criminal enterprise is doing really well, like bringing in a
lot of cash, it often becomes really hard to store
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and keep that physical cash. So you can't just you
can't just deposit it in the bank for so many reasons.
You know, they're the daily limits. You need to be
able to like pick up.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And run, you need to pay your guys, and you
don't want to go to the bank to get your payroll.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
For criminal enterprise, you need to.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Be totally liquid and transferable and like free from seats, definitely.
So Ray he dealt with his cash storage problems by
storing stacks of hundreds in orange crates in his parents' attic.
But then one day his dad found, of course, and
that's hard to explain. I wonder if he had like
break some off to his dad to be quiet, like
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you didn't see this. Here's a crate.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Totally keep your.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Ray's like, I gotta get serious about this. I can't
stash it at my parents house. He opened a bank
account in the Cayman Islands, so now he's adultings. Then
he used some of the cash to get gold bars.
And it's all about the laundering obviously. So he established
like seafood and boat building companies in Panama and Honduras.
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Smart and then he invested it, bought.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
More boats, good grof you want to grow.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, So here's the thing, though, fishermen have to be observant,
like they monitor all the little changes and shifts around them,
same with sailors and the fo Yeah, the fishermen who
shared the docks with raised boats, they noticed something like
he goes out a lot, comes back fully laden, but
he never left the pier with ice, and like, you
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have to have that if you're going to go out
and plan on catching fishes. Never loaded up ice.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You don't want hot fishing on your boat.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Okay. So this big full boat comes back and his
nets were always unused and dry.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
That's another give away.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, so it just wasn't adding up. So in June
of nineteen seventy four, the cops they're onto him. He
gets arrested. When he got busted, he had five four
hundred and seventy six dollars in cash in his pockets.
He also had a briefcase in sight there was another
twenty grand in US currency. Yeah, he had cash from
Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Kenya. He had some really sweet picks
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of marijuana, like nice photos weed shot. Yeah, Like I
don't know, is it souvenirs? Is it request? Yeah? Look
you look, look what I can get for you. Also
in the briefcase blank tourist visas, so he could get
into Nicarago whenever he wanted. Oh, he had blank checks
for a Swiss bank account. This paperwork from a German
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company about a new Mercedes that was ready to be
shipped out to him, and then his passport, and according
to Outside magazine, it was quote so thick that it
stretched out like an accordion and indicated that he had
been to twelve countries in the past thirty days, including Jamaica, Columbia, Japan,
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Hong Kong, Panama, and the Cayman Islands. It's like red flags.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, my friend Dave used to travel a lot and
he had no I know, I've never seen anyone have this.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
There's an extension.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I've seen that too. Oh my goodness.
His bond when he's busted, like, it's red flag city, right,
there's all this evidence again against him. The bond is
set at five hundred thousand dollars and he had to
surrender that crazy passport. Three months later. His lawyer handed
over a cashier's check for the whole amount. Didn't go
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through a bail bondsman. He's like, ray, we're out of here.
It was the largest bond ever posted in Florida's history
at that point.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
In Florida's history. Yeah, and some history.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Uh huh. So this grand jury indicted him for smuggling
more than twelve tons of marijuana and the prosecutors were
calling him like a soldier of fortune, tree top flyer
of the seas basically. So the trial was supposed to
start on January fifth, nineteen seventy five, and he was
looking at five years if convey of the smuggling charge,
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only five because the War.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
On drugs had had not started. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
He probably would get more as more charges would be
tacked on. But then something horrible happened. Ray's lawyer went
to the court and like made a public announcement that
Raymond Grady Stancil Junior had died on New Year's Eve
in a scuba diving accident off the coast of Honduras. Well,
they were still searching for his body, but it was
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going to be for like recovery, not rescue.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Its tragic.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Let's take a break and when we get back entertainment
and we get back from dangerous diving diving for deals
with these ads, We're going to continue this sad tale, Zaren, Karen,
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Let's have a moment of silence for Raymond Grady Stancil Junior.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Can I laugh during it? Dead?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, don't laugh. It's so it's so sad. This is
what They're said, because he wasn't murdered. Yeah, of course,
not dead at the age of thirty seven.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, I'm sure his lawyer is broken up.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It is. I don't know why you find this so funny.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Gave his life to Davy Jones's locker.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
What's wrong face?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
He died? Jarren shouldn't be smiling, but he didn't. No
one believed he was really.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
No one would the federal prin He's like.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
After a week after he made bail, he hopped on
a motorcycle and he tore out of Tampa from there, right,
he goes to this small airstrip and a buddy of
his is waiting there with the plane. Okay, so the
two of them they fly to Key West and they
met up with his girlfriend, Janet Wood. Now, wait, Elizabeth,
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didn't this guy have a wife and four kids?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yes, yes, he did. Great questions there he and the
missus were estranged.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Oh yeah, profriend makes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Sense not to like the Key West girlfriend? Like, is
this a Jimmy Buffers?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I think it sounds so.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It gets good. According to the Tampa Bay Times, Janet
and Ray met quote after he spotted her at the
famed chart Room Bar in Key West in nineteen seventy three.
It was a watering hole for an neglectic mix of politicians, millionaires, artists, musicians,
treasure hunters, and various unsavory types. Singer Jimmy Buffett and
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treasure hunter Mel Fisherman frequent visitors in those days. Ms
treasure Hunter and then he's like, sees her across the
bar as well, and she's like, ohbuh, there it is
Jimmy Buffetts sighting was Jimmy Buffett there and introduced.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Who knows the right of only Carl Town.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So in Key West, he gets there, he's out on it.
He begs Janet come with me on the run. They're
gonna say I drowned in Honduras.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Not true.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
He's like, you don't have to ask me twice. Let's
get out. Yeah, So off they go. They didn't have
a set plan, but like no, Ray knew all the
right people for this sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Network.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, like the people he knew. They knew how to
move someone silently invisibly a person like drugs and do
that pretty much. So first they went to Honduras. He
knew it well. He'd run a lot of drugs out
of there down there. In fact, he basically knew the
entire Gulf of Mexico like the back of his hand.
In Honduras, he walked directly into the American embassy and
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he was like, hello, I am an American tourist and
I've lost my passport. I mean, he did lose it,
but not in the way that he happlired Like, what's
your name, Dennis Lafferty? I am thirty three years old.
I live in Florida. They're like, okay. So it turns
out there was a Dennis Lafferty who lived in Florida
who would have been thirty three, but he died a
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year before this. So with a new ID and travel
papers secured. Huh, ray Janet, they moved on damn Son. Yeah,
so they go to the island of Roatan. I'm probably
not saying that right, forty five miles off the northern
coast of Hondura. So during this Christmas break before he
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fakes his death, all four of his kids, all between
the ages of eleven and sixteen. Yeah, they joined him
there and they like lived it up. They went snorkling,
never fishing in what may have been a torturous development.
They all sat around at night and listened to Janet
play the guitar, or maybe it was nice, like there's
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just lots of puff. The magic Dragon rock me up
to say, she's like singing about blowing out a flip
flop top. So when the kids made it back to Florida,
the cops were there waiting to ask them and their
mom if they knew about Ray, like where can we
find him? They're like, no, idea, I don't know. The
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four of us miners just all went to Honduras and
hung out on an island by ourselves. Get over it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So from the island, Ray and Janet they went to
Guatemala City, Guatemala, and they came up with a plan. Finally,
they're like, how about this, Let's get a forty foot
boat and just spend our days sailing the seven seas.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I mean, I like the plan. I like where your
head's at? You crazy cos it's not really a plan. Yeah,
that's the beginning.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And then they're like, how about how about this part
of the plant like a dream, We'll just keep going
until we get to the Great Barrier reef Wow, Okay,
do you have a general Pacific.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
But good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So off they go. They went Nicaragua, Anama, Colombia, Aruba, Currasow, Bonair.
They ditched the boat for a while and then hopped
on a motorcycle and like toodled all over the various
like Central American mountain ranges. Okay, And when they got
to Belize, things got dicey. They were recognized. One of
them was Janet was recognized, and but people didn't think
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she was Janet. They thought she was Patty.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Hurst because and she was kidnapping, held.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
For twenty four hours and then released.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
But they're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
They finally, no, I'm not Patty Hurst. Off she goes.
She got pregnant. Congratulations you two. That sounds like a
fantastic stable like. So in her condition, the couple opted
to ditch the boat for good and just fly everyone.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Also medical care during the pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yes, So they go to Venezuela, Peru, Tahiti New Hebrides
now called Vanawatu. Yeah, and it was there that they
got married. But then sadly, Janet lost the baby, so
they were understandably bereft, and they they headed off to
Australia finally, you know, heading towards a great barrier reef.
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They finally settled in North Queensland. It's super rural and
remote and the people their mind their own business and
it has amazing fish. Yeah, it's a perfect place for Ray.
So I have to say that Port Douglas, where they went,
might be the perfect place for me. It's I mean
it is. It's hot and tropical and muggy and prona
(26:31):
monsoons and cyclones for you. But according to Google street
View it's gorgeous. Gorgeous street are gorgeous and not crowded. Yeah.
I don't love all the hot, tropical Oh my god,
the bugs, I can't even the bugs. Scene must be horrible.
But anyway, here's from the outside article quote. There's a
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saying in Australia's Far North Queensland region, your history starts here.
For decades, this remote stre of pristine beaches and lush
rainforest along the continent's northeastern edge has attracted an odd
ball mix of Australian hippies and starry eyed foreigners seeking
a fresh start. You could be a German count or
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a renegade chemist who supplied LSD to the grateful dead.
No one gives us stuff, said Andrew Forsyth, himself a
former pilot who ferried Pope John Paul the Second and
Queen Elizabeth around the world, and relocated to the area
in two thousand and two after first visiting some forty
years prior. You could fire a gun down the street
and you wouldn't hit anybody, said Norm Clinch, a machinist
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from Brisbane who often fished out of Port Douglas. The
police there was one station and they'd be all in
their drunk or asleep.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
A man, I would miss live music.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I probably have live music, but you're not going to
see the famous people. But you know, I think right now,
I think this region. I know Eastern Australia is having
terrible floodings.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Oh right now, took the summer the wildfire. God.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah. Anyways, Sarah, close your eyes. Oh really, yeah, really,
I want you to picture it. It's October nineteen seventy five,
springtime in Australia. You are a bartender at the Courthouse
Hotel in Port Douglas. It's the oldest pub in Port
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Douglas and, according to ownership, one of the most iconic
pubs in all of Australia. Clean and breezy. The place
sits on a corner of the port's main street and
looks out over Anzac Park and the harbor. From your
vantage point at the bar, you can look through the
wide open veranda to the street and the coral sea beyond.
You hear the rumble of an old fifties station wagon
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come down Wharf Street. It's a slow afternoon at the pub.
The sun is shining and there's a lovely, sweet breeze.
You watch as the faded green station wagon eases into
a spot by the park, and then you watch a
couple get out of the car. They stretch out and
turn their faces to the sun, obviously stiff and tired
from a long drive. There's no traffic around them, just
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the sound of the waves and the wind and some
palm trees. He's a tall, shaggy haired fellow with a
healthy mustache. She's a fit and happy brunette. As you expected,
they make their way from the parking lot to your bar.
The only patron inside on this afternoon is peg Leg Tommy.
He rests his one barefoot on the leg of his barstool,
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with his rough artificial leg dangling beneath him. He's been
here since you open this morning like many other days.
Nursing a whiskey sour and reading the newspaper out of
Townsville City, the couple enter the pub and approach the bar.
What can I get for you? Ask in a clear
American accent. The man asks for a logger. The woman
orders a soda water peg Leg Tommy turns to them,
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extends his hand for a shake, and introduces himself. The
couple are charmed by him. They pull up stools and
settle in. Tommy asks them what brings them to Port Douglas. Yes,
they tell him they've just relocated here. Lots of weeds
tumble in peg Leg. Tommy tells them they smile weed.
The man chuckles. You place their drinks on the bar
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and share an odd with the man. Tommy asks where
they're from. I'm Lee Lafferty from Galveston, Texas in the USA.
He says. This is my wife, Janet. She's originally from Michigan.
To you and Tommy, that information means pretty much nothing,
but you both nod sagely. I'm a fisherman, Lee tells
you both, and my parents are dead. Janet says, you
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and Tommy exchange side eyes. We really do get the
weirdos here, you think. Tommy launches into one of his
monologues about life in far North Queensland, regaling the couple
with tales of bull sharks and massive crocodiles. He hints
that that's how he lost his leg. You know better,
he got drunk and passed out at a lumber mill
when he was in his twenties in New South Wales.
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Tommy asks the couple where they're living in the motel
down the road a bit, Lee says, But then he
tells you both that he's planning on designing a boat,
a fifty three footer they'll live on. That sounds like
a plan, Tommy says. He and Lee raise a toast
to that. Clinking glasses. You look out at the road
and wonder if the couple will like it here, make
a home here. You hope they do.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Like a cool couple.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Cool couples there, and you get that wish.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I do so.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Ray. He did build that big boat, and the couple
lived on it for seven years. It was their first home.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Oh for seven years.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, he designed and built this big, big old boat.
But meanwhile, back at the ranch or the United States,
it was Ray's Stancil sighting fever. Yeah, so tips came
in that he was in a brothel in Belize, on
the beach in Panama, like sipping drinks and Aruba, hanging
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out in Florida. North Florida Prosecutor David McGee said, quote,
it was like Elvis. He became kind of a legend.
So in nineteen seventy six, a hot tip came in
from Doris. He wasn't just spotted, he was captured. The
Florida Department of Law Enforcement. They were thrilled, so they
released this public announcement that Ray was alive in custody
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and they were on their way to Honduras to go
scoop them up. But when they released, they get down
there and the cell is empty. But we knew that
because he wasn't he was in Australia.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I was assuming is that somebody who was using his
old passport, somebody had stolen found.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't know what the story is. Dotris was just
yank in their chain. I don't know. Back in Australia,
Ray A Ka Lee and Janet she just used her
name because she's like, I'm not on the run. They
were doing great, according to outside quote. Lee outfished the
locals in part by using live bait caught with the
specially designed cast nets that he had Janet made and sold,
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and quickly established himself as one of the best port
Douglas had ever known. He wasn't just fitting in, he
was thriving totally. Yeah, everyone loved him, and he wasn't
making anyone suspicious by like throwing cash around totally.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And also just about to say that the thing about
I liked about him being good at fishing is you
can bomb with locals if you're a good fisherman, no
respect that, and they doesn't necessarily challenge them in the
way that they're going to get angry.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And it's not like he had these nuts and he
was all proprietary about it. He's like, we'll make some sold.
At one point he actually he he borrowed eight grand
from this other American expat in order to fix his boat.
So it was just like he was just a normal
guy and he like paid him back or whatever because.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
He think he didn't have the money.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think he took a lot of the money, and
I think they burned through a lot of the money
flipped all over South America. Yeah, so, but he was
just a normal guy. He did not go back for
visits to the United States. They can, yeah, and they
just became like a part of the fabric of the community.
So after they settled in.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
His kids never came to visit him again. Now the
ones who visited him new interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, he settles in. He and Janet they had two daughters,
Jesse born in nineteen seventy six and Keana born in
nineteen eighty. So Lee and Janet ray slash Lee. They
told their daughters a little bit about their dad's former life,
but they made it clear that this was just house talk, like,
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don't tell anyone about this, So of course they told
people about it.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Well, they told one person.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
When they were teenagers, the girls told their horseback riding
instructor about their dad and his you know, former smuggling ways.
The instructor Christine Doane. She was a former Olympic horseback
rider from the United States, So another tumble in. She
didn't tell anyone what she'd been told, and then her
brother married one of the girls, so she knew it
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was like best to keep a zipped on family business.
She later though, told Outside magazine that she didn't like
the quote lies in secrecy, which created so much collateral
damage in the family. The secrecy and paranoia of the
entire family is twisted. Janet is one of the most
in denial humans I ever met. The family used to
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treat this as a young man's hoot. They have an
enormous need to whitewash this, so let's consider that. Take
a break for some ads. When we return more Tales
of life on the run in remote Australia, zaren. When
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we left off Ray and Janet, they had settled in
far North Queensland in Australia. Do you think I can
convince Admiral iHeart to pay for us to go to
Australia and meet up with AUSSI rude dudes and tour
the country at a leisurely pace.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You're very charming.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Do you have any good blackmail materials on the Admiral
that would.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Help give me a couple of weeks?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Okay, So anyway, by the.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Way, I'm loving this story because it's like, you know,
actors get to do this where they get to live
a life that they didn't live by playing apart, whereas
I'm hearing a story that's like Oh, the road not taken.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
It is the Baker daff and run away to Australia.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
It's the Catharsis of Greek theater. We get to actually
live it without having to live it. Ray and Janet
they settled in kept quiet. So in the early eighties
they moved off the boat and they bought some property
and then Ray Aka Lee he founded Danetree River Cruise
Center and it still exists today.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
You can still go there.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, may I read to you from their website.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
It's for IoT have to ask thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
In nineteen eighty seven, Lee and Janet Lafferty opened the
Danetree River Cruise Center with a vision to share the
spectacular wildlife and rainforest in the most environmentally sensitive way
possible dedicated conservationists with an infectious passion for wildlife. The
Laffarty name quickly became synonymous with eco tourism and the
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Danetree River. Lee was one of the original guides on
the river and gained a reputation as the authority on
its flora and fauna with his encyclopedic memory and constant
fascination with the river. He spent the rest of his
life educating others and sharing his passion through his tours.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I love on the early wave of eco tourism.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Oh yeah, and like so over the next decade, the
business just like takes off. It's an important part of
the region and it brought in a ton of tourist dollars.
And you see like pictures of it. It's there's a
river tour similar to it. It feels like in Kawaii
just about ask it looks like yeah, and it's like, so.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
It looks like you're in Raiders of the Lost Art
South America exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And it was it was important, like the business was
really important in establishing best practices for like cultural respect.
They got these you know, aboriginal cognition and stuff, conservation
community projects, that kind of stuff. So the family ran
this business for thirty five years. Ray aka Lee and Janet.
(38:10):
They lived happy, loving, fulfilling lives. But then in June
twenty eleventh, some major news broke. An American drug smuggler
hiding out in far North Queensland since the eighties had
been captured. Not Ray Peyton Edison i'dson.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
There was another smuggler hiding.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
In Idson or for those living in Juliatan don't j
U L A T T E. N apologies. I don't
know how to say it. An hour inland of Port Douglas,
an our away. They knew him as Michael McGoldrick McGoldrick.
But there's so that is right, there's another smuggler had
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drifted out to Ray's middle of nowhere to start a
new life under a new identity just an hour way.
So Peyton Idsen he was the leader of a Santa Rosa,
California smuggling ring. He'd been busted operating an ocean going
freighter hauling forty thousand pounds at a time of weed
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from Thailand to the States.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Twenty tons of pop.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, twenty. This was child's play for Ray, though He's like.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Both twenty that money over here, it's a huge amount.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, but Ray was doing one hundred thousand pounds at
a time.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, I know, it's still.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's a lot. Both of those guys, they're both impressive,
both day boys.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I'm very impressive, both of them pulling long Daddy's one
of them is much more impressive.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
In nineteen eighty six, this Peyton he skipped bail and
he and his wife and daughter used fake passports to
flee to Australia, and so just like Ray and Janet,
they opened a tourist operation. They had this like health
spa and luxury mountain retreat, okay, and just like Ray
a Janet, they'd become beloved members.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Of the community gratually.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So at some point in twenty eleven, the Australian authorities
figured out that the real Michael McGoldrick had died in
Las Vegas in the eighties, So who is this guy?
So they contacted the US Diplomatic Security Service and like
a little sleuthing here, some snoop in there, boom, they
uncover him Peyton and it was just an hour away
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from Ray. I'm still trying to get my head around this.
And since they both owned tourist operations, I wonder if
they ever crossed paths.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I'm sure they had to have tourist industry like conventions, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Getting awards. Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Can you imagine though, Ray or whatever, Ray's fear when
he sees that headline and he's like, there's no cops
out the window, but he's.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like freaked him out, Like the whole thing freaked him out,
and like he he and Janet were just squirrely after
this bet because then just three years later, someone grasped him,
someone ratted him out. I have my suspicions horse raider. Yeah,
(41:04):
we don't know, we don't know whoever it was. Didn't
go to the cops, though. They went to the press,
specifically to Pulitzer Prize winning Florida newspaper reporter Lucy Morgan.
So at this point, she's semi retired, she's seventy four
years old, but she has spent like much of her
career reporting on Ray and like keeping tabs on all
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the sightings. She'd written all these articles about him and
like that whole smuggling scene, and then as they're like
taken down one by one, she reports on it everyone
but Ray. So she got all these tips over the years,
and she's like, you know, I get kind of tired
of I'll look into this one and like, you know,
I mean, Ray living is like an envirol warrior in
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rural Australia. Like, oh fine, I'll just chase this one down.
It's original. So she starts doing her deep dives. Where
was Ray at this point, Well, he's still on the
tour service, but now he was battling Parkinson's disease.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
All right, he's getting up there.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, And like medication was helping, but it limited his activities,
so he couldn't do as much on the boats. He
wasn't supposed to be driving. His hands shook something terrible
and he was getting really weak, like a lot of
muscle loss. On the afternoon of May twenty six, twenty fifteen,
a call came into local police. A pickup truck driving
on a winding road had wrecked and wrapped around a
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massive gum tree. There was this old dog of Beichmpfreze
in the truck that was like a little bit dazed
but was going to be okay. But the driver gone
killed instantly. It was ray this time he really did die.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Everyone in Port Douglas is absolutely devastated. The mayor called
him a lovely man and a gentleman. His neighbors and
his friends like praised his extensive scientific knowledge, his drive
for preservation. One guy said that he didn't have a
bad bone in his body.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Take surprise, come to your way.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
But yeah, and you know they had some bad bones
in his body. He had used him in one of
the metaphors, are.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
There bones in your body? Like doesn't have a racist
bone in their body, doesn't have a bad bone in
the kid. The whole idea of thematic bones and bodies
kills me, right.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Exactly, So the truth comes out. Lucy Morgan broke the
story in the Tampa Bay Times, so she gets the
tip he dies, and then.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
She breaks the confirmation he divorced.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
He had divorced Janet in twenty eleven, but.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
It really got squirrely.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, So either because of that or maybe despite that,
I don't know. This huge piece runs in the Tampa
Bay Times. His sister said, quote, it really just broke
my heart when he disappeared. He never tried to contact
us again. I felt so bad that his children had
to grow up without him. So you know he's this
he's two people, Yeah, totally. And about those kids though,
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two of the boys, Ronald and Raymond Junior, Raymond the third.
So if Ronald and Raimon in the third, Yeah, they
did time in federal prison importing cocaine. Hell, you know
they were.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
In legends like that. You're gonna think this is always
an option.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Sure, well, they were indicted in nineteen ninety one. Both
of them then immediately went on the LAMB. I learned
it from Watching You, Ronald, he got picked up in
nineteen ninety four, but Ray the Third he was able
to avoid capture for twenty years, just like.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Popa Wow, knock off the bill.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
He headed up to Alaska. He went the other direction,
and he used the name Don Davenport. Oh, He's like,
I'm Don Davenport from Colorado. Yeah, so he got married.
What's amazing is that he married a cop. One of
the articles refers to her as a Kodiak police officer.
So I like to imagine a big bear in a
(44:50):
police So much more fun that way. So Ray the Third, Oh,
when he's married to the to the bear. He also
had a wife and kid back in Florida. But whatever
did he do it? Just like Papa from Watching You,
he got busted in Texas in twenty ten, gets extradited
(45:10):
to Florida. Yeah, he told Outside Magazine via a letter
written from the Federal pen quote, I think my father
picked a good place to have a life, and I'm
glad that he won and got out of here when
he did. I missed him, but used what he taught
me and lived without regrets for my life. That's yeah,
(45:31):
devastating about what he taught you. Ronald was right there
with his brother. He wrote in a letter to Outside
from the Federal.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Pen quote, they have time.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I don't blame Dad for not showing up. I'm sure
that he missed certain aspects of what was left behind.
It's like you cut a chunk out of your heart leaving.
But things seldom end the way you visualize. In life.
You can only take your best shot and roll with
the punches.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah, he's had some rough emotional lows.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
So, like I said, the Riverboat Company still exists. This
is from their website. When Lee passed away in twenty fifteen,
his daughter Kiana inherited the business and assumed the responsibility
of championing this amazing ecosystem to the world. Keana has
remained dedicated to operating sustainably and in harmony with the
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environment and local community. She continues to uphold all the
values put in place by her father and has proven
herself not only as a business owner, but also as
a passionate environmental activist.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Good for her.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, So, to close this out, I'd like to leave
you with commentary from Norman Duke.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Not the Norman Duke.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, the world's foremost authority on Mangrove for us and
also close friend of Ray Slash Lee. Thank you When
asked about how people in far North Queensland talk about
Lee as someone who found redemption, as a man running
away from a troubled past, who transformed himself into a
protector of one of the world's most pristine natural habitats.
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This is what Duke had to say, quote reflecting on
it now, It's just what Australia is all about. It's
all about redemption, all about finding a new life.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Interesting way I look at colonialism.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Sorry, what's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Hearing the road not taken? I am glad I took
the road.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
I did he too, because living life on the lamb
sounds like just punishing for anyone who ever once loved you.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, that's what I think is my takeaway. Thank you
for asking. All right, Yeah, what did you think is
the complexity of being these two? He's still in there,
there's the bone and the body thing, right, Like, so
he's the as a as a fugitive or as a criminal.
He's got these good aspects to who he is. He's
always been an environmentalist and like you know, but like
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a very personal likable.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
You know, they like people.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
He wasn't violent, he didn't hurt people, but there was
a certain violence to abandoning the family.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
And the kids.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
And you see that like his his boys think that
he's you know, he was a good role model, I guess,
whereas like he took down both of their I don't
see it like when from like a they stand back
when we get a view from where we see it
of like the damage that he did to these guys, because.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I don't fault them for thinking what they think, and
I don't even pity them. It's not like that, but
I can see the limits of their world like a
snow globe, yea, And they don't know that they're in
the snow globe, and it doesn't have to be the
way they know right and smart for what they know
from based on where they what they have, no, you
know what I mean. I admire how they reacted to
their world. In some ways, I feel bad that their
dad pushed him into that snowbe.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
And the Horseback Lady talking about Janet being so in denial.
We have to survive, Like how having that hang over
you that you have you build this lovely life in
this community come crashing down in one moment. That the
pressure of that, you kind of have to disassociated the
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same thing. Yeah, what was horse lady?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
No, I don't mean that she decided not to snitch
because it benefited her family.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, it's the same. It's the same choice she's not
because it benefits her family, exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
A choice exactly. But so like this notion of redemption,
I am fully a believer in that, and I'm a
believer in reinvention of oneself. I think that's an important solitary.
But the wreckage in your wake.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Good, none of us are in island, Jack.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
No, and it brings me back to.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Obligations, your original thesis.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Thank you, yes that in summary, embrace your obligations. You
know that you have. You can't run from them, and
it causes more wreckage when you do. Dave, I need
to talk back.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I got your covered.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey, Hi Elizabeth Arnett, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I was just having quiet time, my head down on
my desk, like I finished my test early.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I love quiet.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I know you do. I know you finished your test early,
Love quiet.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Listen. Yes you know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Oh my goodness. Jim Morrison yeah right, yeah, period, No,
I liked.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I have to admit I was a Jim Morrison Stan
when I was a young man, Like I was that kid.
But I just found out recently that there was a
memorial bust of Jim Morrison at the perry Leche Cemetery
of Paris, and it was like a head and shoulders
and it was like kind of very famous.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Yeah, and then it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Was stolen in nineteen Yeah, it was stolen nineteen eighty
eight and it's been gone for a long time. The
family eventually paid for a new one to replace it,
but after thirty seven years, the Paris police just found it.
Good job Paris police years turns out totally by mistake.
They were just they were serve a warrant on an
(01:00):
unrelated case. No, yeah, as they said a quote, this
was a chance discovery made during his search order than
by and examining magistrates.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
That's the Paris quotes.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Wow, so they just stumbled across the gym Morrison busy.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, is this important?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It is tacking on the charges now.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I thought that was a ridiculous That is ridiculous French
police recovery.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Years later.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? Please?
Smuggling literal tons of weed? Like tons? Oh oh, this
(01:53):
is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,
heists and cons It is always always ninety nine percent
murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I hope that.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I hope so too. I would like to open with
a reading a poem of sorts from a poet I
can't stand, but that I think you'll appreciate and through
whom this tale I tell you today resonates strongly. This
won't be a close reading, just a contemplation on a theme.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Okay, I'm prepared here.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It is as the son of a son of a sailor,
I went out on the sea for adventure, expanding the
view of the captain and crew like a man just
released from indenture. As a dreamer of dreams and a
traveling man. I have chalked up many a mile, read
(02:51):
dozens of books about heroes and crooks, and I learned
much from both of their styles.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Son of a son, son of a son, son of
a son of a sailor, son of a gun load
the last time, one step ahead of the jailer.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Thank you, thank you. That's right. It's the lyrics to
the song son of a Son of a Sailor by
Jimmy Buffett, James Buffett, Jimmy Buffet.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
My dad.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
My dad loved Jimmy Buffett. I can tell because he
was all about like sailboats in the ocean and cheeseburgers,
and and I think, well, then you know my nephew
is the son of a son of a sailorically. But
I can't stand Jimmy Buffett. I think I was trying
to what I was trying to investigate this. It was
(03:50):
like Elizabeth, I always think he's a good time. Anytime
that you really like don't like someone, you really have
to investigate and think a lot of times, not all
the time, but many times it's the things that you
don't like about yourself or what you see in that
person or what you're afraid you are.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But then I really you're afraid you're a beach bomb
who at all?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What irks me about Jimmy Buffett, I decided, is the
longing that his fans feel for this like life of
no obligation, and then their search for it they kind
of abandon obligation, like the obligation to not be drunk
in public.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You don't like the divorce dad energy.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
There's so much divorced energy, like the fans didn't or
don't like. Do like the infantile describing of any minor
responsibility as quote adulting. Sure that is nails on.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I know you hate that term, but the one that
you don't want Sunday scary.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Sunday scary never I hear that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I Like, I used to be in pitch meetings and
then people would say that that in Monday morning.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
They'd be like, I had a real bad case.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's Sunday scaries, and I'd have to keep a straight
face a zoom call.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I'm just not you know me, I'm more of a
cowboy that I've never gone even.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
If that life is about obligations. And I think I've
told you before that my big run in with a
Jimmy Buffett fan was when I was like maybe eight
years old and the neighbors across the street were like
pre partying for a Jimmy Buffett concert, and this lady
came up to me, like I can see her leathery
dec letee and like the visor over crispy bleached hair,
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Like you can see like her bikini straps under the
tank top.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yes, if you wear a tank top over a bikini.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, yes, yes, and then like shorts and flip flops
and like an anklet and she's no, that'd be amazing. No.
And she was the one who said, you know, like
unbidden walks up to a child and says, the best
cure for a hangover is a tuna sandwich, French fries
(05:51):
and a chocolate shake.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well, you've always remembered it, so apparently.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It is burned. It is like, yeah, but so.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You ever used medical advice? No, and like good advice,
I never got it's actually correct.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, So if parent heads we want to hear from
you ridiculous crime dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh, by the way, I will represent I've been to
multiple show I have the appeal.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Of Jimmy Buffett's people. Like, okay, So life is about obligations.
People depend on us, systems depend on our reliability. There
should be satisfaction in stepping up and embracing responsibility.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is the cowboy adulting. Yes, this is where I'm
got it adulting.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Just do your life. The Jimmy buz Well, the aesthetic
of Jimmy Buffett is all about abandoning responsibility for pure
relaxations and enjoyment. I love to enjoy things, and I
wish I knew what relaxation felt like. But there are limits, boks.
That's what I say. So today I want to tell
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you a very Jimmy Buffett story. Yes, yeah, it's got
a dash of Stephen Still's.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I'll take it thrown in there. I love, I get this.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
This is more Buffet than Stills, I think.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But this is criminal.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
This is about a complex character, a guy with shifting
obligations that he embraces and abandons in equal turns. So
this is the story of Raymond Grady Stancil Junior.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
A name Grady Stancil j.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, we're gonna call him ray He was born in
nineteen thirty seven. He grew up in Saint Petersburg, Florida.
You could say that he was the son of a sailor.
His dad was a commercial fisherman, and that's a punishing job. Yes,
he was born into a very outdoorsy family and he
fell he fell right into it is your family outdoorsy
Some of.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Them are, yeah, some are very bookish and scholarly, and
others are really outdoors Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah. My dad's side of family very outdoorsy. My mom's
side not so much. They make an effort good you know. Anyway,
Ray total outdoors man. So he started young with the
f when he was six, he helped his dad by
casting out a net to pull in bait for like
big fish.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Oh total yeah, great fish.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And he loved and respected the water. You have to
you've got sailor waterman.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And when he was in his teens, he saw the
destruction around him that dredging was doing to the wetlands
in Florida.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So he went out one day and he sank one
of the big dredging vessels out in Tampa Bay. Yeah.
So a little bit of a folk care outlaw. He
got out of high school in the mid fifties and
listed in the Air Force, but he bailed on that
really quickly, and then he went out to follow in
his dad's footsteps. He became a professional fisherman. So there's
this really great feature ray in the magazine Outside Magazine.
(08:44):
It's a great one. Here's a quote from that where
he's basically painted as the most interesting man alive.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Nice quote.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Stancil was said to be able to back a forty
six foot sport fishing boat into a slip with the
wind blowing fifteen knots and the tide running against him.
Legend has it he wants single handedly brought up a
ninety foot barge that had sunk in one hundred foot
waters using only scuba gear and inflatable tubes. He was
caught more than two thousand pounds of grouper in a
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single weekend. All this despite the fact that he was
blind in his left eye, a consequence of being struck
in the face with a broom as he and a
friend swept the cafeteria floor in middle school. This is good, right,
I shouldn't laugh at the last bit about the eye
that whatever falls shortened. Yeah, exactly. So by the time
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he was thirty, married, four kids, nineteen sixty five, he
gets hired to be the private captain for the founder
of the Dallas Cowboys, Clinton Murchison Junior. Oh wow, fun fact.
Clint was an oil air who funded the creation of
a Swedish pirate radio station that operated off the coast
of Sweden from March of nineteen sixty one to June
(09:57):
of nineteen sixty two. No one did, I just made
that up. Okay, it really is true. So Ray's gig
for Clint that only lasted a couple of years, and
then when it wrapped up, Ray picked up moved his
family back to Florida. So he started his business running
charter boats. But the waters and the weather very yeah,
and so it's an unpredictable weather, unpredictable business, which is
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not good business.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
It's a tough business. I was saying.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah. So he tried setting out stone crass.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Business where you're what you're investing in you have to
feed it or if it floats.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Is a rough business.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's that's good. That is good.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Saren told that one.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He tried doing stone crab traps, but the pickings were
slimm and like he just couldn't eke out a living.
But then he did, Oh, Zaren, how do you think
Ray was able to make money in Florida in the
early seventies when he had a boat and lots of
maritime experience and skill.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Elizabeth, how was Ray able to make money in the
early seven when he had a boat and limited maritime skill,
lots of marriage talking about me.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're right there, you got it right, Drugs.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Drugs, muddeling, you got He was moving the marijuana rugas.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah. I don't know how he first got into it,
but he was really good at it, really like he
moved weight. So at the time, weed super cheap in Jamaica.
The good stuff grown up in the mountains was sold
by the fifty pound bat sack on the beach to
those who were in the no ten dollars a pound,
if you can believe it, ten bucks a pound. So
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dealers they'd pick up a few sacks and then they
would sell it for one hundred and seventy five a pounds.
That's market. Yeah, but that's a lot of stuff, like
hundreds of pounds.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's a lot to move.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You aren't just shoving that in your undies when you
go through customs.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Now you're now a trucker.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah. So the dealers they contracted with Ray, he's a pro.
He knew every nook and cranny on the coast. Yeah,
he could pilot a boat swiftly, safely. Remember you get
like back at us a.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Lot of sandbars and navigate in Florida. I mean that's areas.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He could read the weather.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You don't want to get beached with the bales.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Of Oh no, he was the ace. So Jamaican weed
was known to be good, but the best weed was
supposed to be coming in from Columbia. So that's where
Ray set his sight.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Nice, there you go.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So he teamed up with this big dog weed supplier
named Raoul Davila Jimeno. And to the rest of the world,
that guy was like a sugar, coffee, and petroleum exporter.
Sure to the drug world, he was the major supplier
for the Black Tuna Gang. Black Tuna Gang got its
name because that was Raoul's radio code name. Ever called
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him Black Tuna, and most of the gang members they
wore these solid gold medallions, these necklaces that had like
a black Tuna emblem on it.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Oh yeah, that looks cool.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It was super cool. It's like their good luck charm.
But it was also a symbol of their gang, and
so Raoul's basically got this like small private army, and
he ruled Santa Marta, Colombia, which happened to be where
most of the Colombian marijuana was.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That is like a beautiful coastal city. Beautiful, it was
just incredible.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So the Black Tuna Gang they ran Santa march To Columbia,
but they operated out of a suite at the Fontaine
Blue Hotel in Miami Beach. Yeah, and they had they
had like in their pocket this vice president of this
fancy Fort Lauderdale yacht brokerage, and he got them access
to specialized boats that could carry tons of marijuana without
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sitting like suspiciously low the water. So the contraband was
transported in these modified boats and they unloaded it at
these there were all these stash houses along the water,
really nice neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, so they like, you know, you wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Neighborhood dumped some stuff at late at night onto the dock, and.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It's just everyone just kind of mind's your own business.
It would take Ray five days to get from Jamaica
to Florida, and it took him ten days to get
from Columbia to Florida.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, this is in the era before the go fast
boats and cocaine, so they're doing the opposite.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
They're taking the slow boats exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So he'd pilot this like specially fitted boat through the
maze of as you were saying, all these Florida inlets
in the middle of the night. His crew would move
the bales of weed from the boat to the beach,
and then the marijuana bundles, which like one of his
guys later said that it looked like horse feed because
it's just big bales of it. The bales of it
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would be weighed on these huge, like enormous scales and
then transferred to the stash houses. And this went on
for years. They were moving like one hundred thousand pounds
at a time, like I said weight. So when a
criminal enterprise is doing really well, like bringing in a
lot of cash, it often becomes really hard to store
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and keep that physical cash. So you can't just you
can't just deposit it in the bank for so many reasons.
You know, they're the daily limits. You need to be
able to like pick up.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And run, you need to pay your guys, and you
don't want to go to the bank to get your payroll.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
For criminal enterprise, you need to.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Be totally liquid and transferable and like free from seats, definitely.
So Ray he dealt with his cash storage problems by
storing stacks of hundreds in orange crates in his parents' attic.
But then one day his dad found, of course, and
that's hard to explain. I wonder if he had like
break some off to his dad to be quiet, like
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you didn't see this. Here's a crate.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Totally keep your.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Ray's like, I gotta get serious about this. I can't
stash it at my parents house. He opened a bank
account in the Cayman Islands, so now he's adultings. Then
he used some of the cash to get gold bars.
And it's all about the laundering obviously. So he established
like seafood and boat building companies in Panama and Honduras.
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Smart and then he invested it, bought.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
More boats, good grof you want to grow.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, So here's the thing, though, fishermen have to be observant,
like they monitor all the little changes and shifts around them,
same with sailors and the fo Yeah, the fishermen who
shared the docks with raised boats, they noticed something like
he goes out a lot, comes back fully laden, but
he never left the pier with ice, and like, you
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have to have that if you're going to go out
and plan on catching fishes. Never loaded up ice.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
You don't want hot fishing on your boat.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Okay. So this big full boat comes back and his
nets were always unused and dry.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
That's another give away.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, so it just wasn't adding up. So in June
of nineteen seventy four, the cops they're onto him. He
gets arrested. When he got busted, he had five four
hundred and seventy six dollars in cash in his pockets.
He also had a briefcase in sight there was another
twenty grand in US currency. Yeah, he had cash from
Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Kenya. He had some really sweet picks
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of marijuana, like nice photos weed shot. Yeah, Like I
don't know, is it souvenirs? Is it request? Yeah? Look
you look, look what I can get for you. Also
in the briefcase blank tourist visas, so he could get
into Nicarago whenever he wanted. Oh, he had blank checks
for a Swiss bank account. This paperwork from a German
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company about a new Mercedes that was ready to be
shipped out to him, and then his passport, and according
to Outside magazine, it was quote so thick that it
stretched out like an accordion and indicated that he had
been to twelve countries in the past thirty days, including Jamaica, Columbia, Japan,
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Hong Kong, Panama, and the Cayman Islands. It's like red flags.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, my friend Dave used to travel a lot and
he had no I know, I've never seen anyone have this.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
There's an extension.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I've seen that too. Oh my goodness.
His bond when he's busted, like, it's red flag city, right,
there's all this evidence again against him. The bond is
set at five hundred thousand dollars and he had to
surrender that crazy passport. Three months later. His lawyer handed
over a cashier's check for the whole amount. Didn't go
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through a bail bondsman. He's like, ray, we're out of here.
It was the largest bond ever posted in Florida's history
at that point.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
In Florida's history. Yeah, and some history.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Uh huh. So this grand jury indicted him for smuggling
more than twelve tons of marijuana and the prosecutors were
calling him like a soldier of fortune, tree top flyer
of the seas basically. So the trial was supposed to
start on January fifth, nineteen seventy five, and he was
looking at five years if convey of the smuggling charge,
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only five because the War.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
On drugs had had not started. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
He probably would get more as more charges would be
tacked on. But then something horrible happened. Ray's lawyer went
to the court and like made a public announcement that
Raymond Grady Stancil Junior had died on New Year's Eve
in a scuba diving accident off the coast of Honduras. Well,
they were still searching for his body, but it was
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going to be for like recovery, not rescue.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Its tragic.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Let's take a break and when we get back entertainment
and we get back from dangerous diving diving for deals
with these ads, We're going to continue this sad tale, Zaren, Karen,
(20:06):
Let's have a moment of silence for Raymond Grady Stancil Junior.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Can I laugh during it? Dead?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, don't laugh. It's so it's so sad. This is
what They're said, because he wasn't murdered. Yeah, of course,
not dead at the age of thirty seven.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, I'm sure his lawyer is broken up.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It is. I don't know why you find this so funny.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Gave his life to Davy Jones's locker.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
What's wrong face?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
He died? Jarren shouldn't be smiling, but he didn't. No
one believed he was really.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
No one would the federal prin He's like.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
After a week after he made bail, he hopped on
a motorcycle and he tore out of Tampa from there, right,
he goes to this small airstrip and a buddy of
his is waiting there with the plane. Okay, so the
two of them they fly to Key West and they
met up with his girlfriend, Janet Wood. Now, wait, Elizabeth,
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didn't this guy have a wife and four kids?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yes, yes, he did. Great questions there he and the
missus were estranged.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Oh yeah, profriend makes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Sense not to like the Key West girlfriend? Like, is
this a Jimmy Buffers?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I think it sounds so.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It gets good. According to the Tampa Bay Times, Janet
and Ray met quote after he spotted her at the
famed chart Room Bar in Key West in nineteen seventy three.
It was a watering hole for an neglectic mix of politicians, millionaires, artists, musicians,
treasure hunters, and various unsavory types. Singer Jimmy Buffett and
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treasure hunter Mel Fisherman frequent visitors in those days. Ms
treasure Hunter and then he's like, sees her across the
bar as well, and she's like, ohbuh, there it is
Jimmy Buffetts sighting was Jimmy Buffett there and introduced.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Who knows the right of only Carl Town.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So in Key West, he gets there, he's out on it.
He begs Janet come with me on the run. They're
gonna say I drowned in Honduras.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Not true.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
He's like, you don't have to ask me twice. Let's
get out. Yeah, So off they go. They didn't have
a set plan, but like no, Ray knew all the
right people for this sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Network.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, like the people he knew. They knew how to
move someone silently invisibly a person like drugs and do
that pretty much. So first they went to Honduras. He
knew it well. He'd run a lot of drugs out
of there down there. In fact, he basically knew the
entire Gulf of Mexico like the back of his hand.
In Honduras, he walked directly into the American embassy and
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he was like, hello, I am an American tourist and
I've lost my passport. I mean, he did lose it,
but not in the way that he happlired Like, what's
your name, Dennis Lafferty? I am thirty three years old.
I live in Florida. They're like, okay. So it turns
out there was a Dennis Lafferty who lived in Florida
who would have been thirty three, but he died a
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year before this. So with a new ID and travel
papers secured. Huh, ray Janet, they moved on damn Son. Yeah,
so they go to the island of Roatan. I'm probably
not saying that right, forty five miles off the northern
coast of Hondura. So during this Christmas break before he
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fakes his death, all four of his kids, all between
the ages of eleven and sixteen. Yeah, they joined him
there and they like lived it up. They went snorkling,
never fishing in what may have been a torturous development.
They all sat around at night and listened to Janet
play the guitar, or maybe it was nice, like there's
(23:55):
just lots of puff. The magic Dragon rock me up
to say, she's like singing about blowing out a flip
flop top. So when the kids made it back to Florida,
the cops were there waiting to ask them and their
mom if they knew about Ray, like where can we
find him? They're like, no, idea, I don't know. The
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four of us miners just all went to Honduras and
hung out on an island by ourselves. Get over it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So from the island, Ray and Janet they went to
Guatemala City, Guatemala, and they came up with a plan. Finally,
they're like, how about this, Let's get a forty foot
boat and just spend our days sailing the seven seas.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I mean, I like the plan. I like where your
head's at? You crazy cos it's not really a plan. Yeah,
that's the beginning.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And then they're like, how about how about this part
of the plant like a dream, We'll just keep going
until we get to the Great Barrier reef Wow, Okay,
do you have a general Pacific.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
But good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So off they go. They went Nicaragua, Anama, Colombia, Aruba, Currasow, Bonair.
They ditched the boat for a while and then hopped
on a motorcycle and like toodled all over the various
like Central American mountain ranges. Okay, And when they got
to Belize, things got dicey. They were recognized. One of
them was Janet was recognized, and but people didn't think
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she was Janet. They thought she was Patty.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Hurst because and she was kidnapping, held.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
For twenty four hours and then released.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
But they're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
They finally, no, I'm not Patty Hurst. Off she goes.
She got pregnant. Congratulations you two. That sounds like a
fantastic stable like. So in her condition, the couple opted
to ditch the boat for good and just fly everyone.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Also medical care during the pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yes, So they go to Venezuela, Peru, Tahiti New Hebrides
now called Vanawatu. Yeah, and it was there that they
got married. But then sadly, Janet lost the baby, so
they were understandably bereft, and they they headed off to
Australia finally, you know, heading towards a great barrier reef.
(26:10):
They finally settled in North Queensland. It's super rural and
remote and the people their mind their own business and
it has amazing fish. Yeah, it's a perfect place for Ray.
So I have to say that Port Douglas, where they went,
might be the perfect place for me. It's I mean
it is. It's hot and tropical and muggy and prona
(26:31):
monsoons and cyclones for you. But according to Google street
View it's gorgeous. Gorgeous street are gorgeous and not crowded. Yeah.
I don't love all the hot, tropical Oh my god,
the bugs, I can't even the bugs. Scene must be horrible.
But anyway, here's from the outside article quote. There's a
(26:52):
saying in Australia's Far North Queensland region, your history starts here.
For decades, this remote stre of pristine beaches and lush
rainforest along the continent's northeastern edge has attracted an odd
ball mix of Australian hippies and starry eyed foreigners seeking
a fresh start. You could be a German count or
(27:13):
a renegade chemist who supplied LSD to the grateful dead.
No one gives us stuff, said Andrew Forsyth, himself a
former pilot who ferried Pope John Paul the Second and
Queen Elizabeth around the world, and relocated to the area
in two thousand and two after first visiting some forty
years prior. You could fire a gun down the street
and you wouldn't hit anybody, said Norm Clinch, a machinist
(27:35):
from Brisbane who often fished out of Port Douglas. The
police there was one station and they'd be all in
their drunk or asleep.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
A man, I would miss live music.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I probably have live music, but you're not going to
see the famous people. But you know, I think right now,
I think this region. I know Eastern Australia is having
terrible floodings.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Oh right now, took the summer the wildfire. God.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah. Anyways, Sarah, close your eyes. Oh really, yeah, really,
I want you to picture it. It's October nineteen seventy five,
springtime in Australia. You are a bartender at the Courthouse
Hotel in Port Douglas. It's the oldest pub in Port
(28:22):
Douglas and, according to ownership, one of the most iconic
pubs in all of Australia. Clean and breezy. The place
sits on a corner of the port's main street and
looks out over Anzac Park and the harbor. From your
vantage point at the bar, you can look through the
wide open veranda to the street and the coral sea beyond.
You hear the rumble of an old fifties station wagon
(28:44):
come down Wharf Street. It's a slow afternoon at the pub.
The sun is shining and there's a lovely, sweet breeze.
You watch as the faded green station wagon eases into
a spot by the park, and then you watch a
couple get out of the car. They stretch out and
turn their faces to the sun, obviously stiff and tired
from a long drive. There's no traffic around them, just
(29:06):
the sound of the waves and the wind and some
palm trees. He's a tall, shaggy haired fellow with a
healthy mustache. She's a fit and happy brunette. As you expected,
they make their way from the parking lot to your bar.
The only patron inside on this afternoon is peg Leg Tommy.
He rests his one barefoot on the leg of his barstool,
(29:27):
with his rough artificial leg dangling beneath him. He's been
here since you open this morning like many other days.
Nursing a whiskey sour and reading the newspaper out of
Townsville City, the couple enter the pub and approach the bar.
What can I get for you? Ask in a clear
American accent. The man asks for a logger. The woman
orders a soda water peg Leg Tommy turns to them,
(29:50):
extends his hand for a shake, and introduces himself. The
couple are charmed by him. They pull up stools and
settle in. Tommy asks them what brings them to Port Douglas. Yes,
they tell him they've just relocated here. Lots of weeds
tumble in peg Leg. Tommy tells them they smile weed.
The man chuckles. You place their drinks on the bar
(30:10):
and share an odd with the man. Tommy asks where
they're from. I'm Lee Lafferty from Galveston, Texas in the USA.
He says. This is my wife, Janet. She's originally from Michigan.
To you and Tommy, that information means pretty much nothing,
but you both nod sagely. I'm a fisherman, Lee tells
you both, and my parents are dead. Janet says, you
(30:33):
and Tommy exchange side eyes. We really do get the
weirdos here, you think. Tommy launches into one of his
monologues about life in far North Queensland, regaling the couple
with tales of bull sharks and massive crocodiles. He hints
that that's how he lost his leg. You know better,
he got drunk and passed out at a lumber mill
when he was in his twenties in New South Wales.
(30:55):
Tommy asks the couple where they're living in the motel
down the road a bit, Lee says, But then he
tells you both that he's planning on designing a boat,
a fifty three footer they'll live on. That sounds like
a plan, Tommy says. He and Lee raise a toast
to that. Clinking glasses. You look out at the road
and wonder if the couple will like it here, make
a home here. You hope they do.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Like a cool couple.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Cool couples there, and you get that wish.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I do so.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Ray. He did build that big boat, and the couple
lived on it for seven years. It was their first home.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Oh for seven years.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, he designed and built this big, big old boat.
But meanwhile, back at the ranch or the United States,
it was Ray's Stancil sighting fever. Yeah, so tips came
in that he was in a brothel in Belize, on
the beach in Panama, like sipping drinks and Aruba, hanging
(31:49):
out in Florida. North Florida Prosecutor David McGee said, quote,
it was like Elvis. He became kind of a legend.
So in nineteen seventy six, a hot tip came in
from Doris. He wasn't just spotted, he was captured. The
Florida Department of Law Enforcement. They were thrilled, so they
released this public announcement that Ray was alive in custody
(32:10):
and they were on their way to Honduras to go
scoop them up. But when they released, they get down
there and the cell is empty. But we knew that
because he wasn't he was in Australia.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I was assuming is that somebody who was using his
old passport, somebody had stolen found.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't know what the story is. Dotris was just
yank in their chain. I don't know. Back in Australia,
Ray A Ka Lee and Janet she just used her
name because she's like, I'm not on the run. They
were doing great, according to outside quote. Lee outfished the
locals in part by using live bait caught with the
specially designed cast nets that he had Janet made and sold,
(32:51):
and quickly established himself as one of the best port
Douglas had ever known. He wasn't just fitting in, he
was thriving totally. Yeah, everyone loved him, and he wasn't
making anyone suspicious by like throwing cash around totally.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And also just about to say that the thing about
I liked about him being good at fishing is you
can bomb with locals if you're a good fisherman, no
respect that, and they doesn't necessarily challenge them in the
way that they're going to get angry.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And it's not like he had these nuts and he
was all proprietary about it. He's like, we'll make some sold.
At one point he actually he he borrowed eight grand
from this other American expat in order to fix his boat.
So it was just like he was just a normal
guy and he like paid him back or whatever because.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
He think he didn't have the money.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think he took a lot of the money, and
I think they burned through a lot of the money
flipped all over South America. Yeah, so, but he was
just a normal guy. He did not go back for
visits to the United States. They can, yeah, and they
just became like a part of the fabric of the community.
So after they settled in.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
His kids never came to visit him again. Now the
ones who visited him new interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, he settles in. He and Janet they had two daughters,
Jesse born in nineteen seventy six and Keana born in
nineteen eighty. So Lee and Janet ray slash Lee. They
told their daughters a little bit about their dad's former life,
but they made it clear that this was just house talk, like,
(34:16):
don't tell anyone about this, So of course they told
people about it.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Well, they told one person.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
When they were teenagers, the girls told their horseback riding
instructor about their dad and his you know, former smuggling ways.
The instructor Christine Doane. She was a former Olympic horseback
rider from the United States, So another tumble in. She
didn't tell anyone what she'd been told, and then her
brother married one of the girls, so she knew it
(34:43):
was like best to keep a zipped on family business.
She later though, told Outside magazine that she didn't like
the quote lies in secrecy, which created so much collateral
damage in the family. The secrecy and paranoia of the
entire family is twisted. Janet is one of the most
in denial humans I ever met. The family used to
(35:03):
treat this as a young man's hoot. They have an
enormous need to whitewash this, so let's consider that. Take
a break for some ads. When we return more Tales
of life on the run in remote Australia, zaren. When
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we left off Ray and Janet, they had settled in
far North Queensland in Australia. Do you think I can
convince Admiral iHeart to pay for us to go to
Australia and meet up with AUSSI rude dudes and tour
the country at a leisurely pace.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You're very charming.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Do you have any good blackmail materials on the Admiral
that would.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Help give me a couple of weeks?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Okay, So anyway, by the.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Way, I'm loving this story because it's like, you know,
actors get to do this where they get to live
a life that they didn't live by playing apart, whereas
I'm hearing a story that's like Oh, the road not taken.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
It is the Baker daff and run away to Australia.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
It's the Catharsis of Greek theater. We get to actually
live it without having to live it. Ray and Janet
they settled in kept quiet. So in the early eighties
they moved off the boat and they bought some property
and then Ray Aka Lee he founded Danetree River Cruise
Center and it still exists today.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
You can still go there.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, may I read to you from their website.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
It's for IoT have to ask thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
In nineteen eighty seven, Lee and Janet Lafferty opened the
Danetree River Cruise Center with a vision to share the
spectacular wildlife and rainforest in the most environmentally sensitive way
possible dedicated conservationists with an infectious passion for wildlife. The
Laffarty name quickly became synonymous with eco tourism and the
(37:05):
Danetree River. Lee was one of the original guides on
the river and gained a reputation as the authority on
its flora and fauna with his encyclopedic memory and constant
fascination with the river. He spent the rest of his
life educating others and sharing his passion through his tours.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I love on the early wave of eco tourism.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Oh yeah, and like so over the next decade, the
business just like takes off. It's an important part of
the region and it brought in a ton of tourist dollars.
And you see like pictures of it. It's there's a
river tour similar to it. It feels like in Kawaii
just about ask it looks like yeah, and it's like, so.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
It looks like you're in Raiders of the Lost Art
South America exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And it was it was important, like the business was
really important in establishing best practices for like cultural respect.
They got these you know, aboriginal cognition and stuff, conservation
community projects, that kind of stuff. So the family ran
this business for thirty five years. Ray aka Lee and Janet.
(38:10):
They lived happy, loving, fulfilling lives. But then in June
twenty eleventh, some major news broke. An American drug smuggler
hiding out in far North Queensland since the eighties had
been captured. Not Ray Peyton Edison i'dson.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
There was another smuggler hiding.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
In Idson or for those living in Juliatan don't j
U L A T T E. N apologies. I don't
know how to say it. An hour inland of Port Douglas,
an our away. They knew him as Michael McGoldrick McGoldrick.
But there's so that is right, there's another smuggler had
(38:54):
drifted out to Ray's middle of nowhere to start a
new life under a new identity just an hour way.
So Peyton Idsen he was the leader of a Santa Rosa,
California smuggling ring. He'd been busted operating an ocean going
freighter hauling forty thousand pounds at a time of weed
(39:14):
from Thailand to the States.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Twenty tons of pop.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, twenty. This was child's play for Ray, though He's like.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Both twenty that money over here, it's a huge amount.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, but Ray was doing one hundred thousand pounds at
a time.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, I know, it's still.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's a lot. Both of those guys, they're both impressive,
both day boys.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I'm very impressive, both of them pulling long Daddy's one
of them is much more impressive.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
In nineteen eighty six, this Peyton he skipped bail and
he and his wife and daughter used fake passports to
flee to Australia, and so just like Ray and Janet,
they opened a tourist operation. They had this like health
spa and luxury mountain retreat, okay, and just like Ray
a Janet, they'd become beloved members.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Of the community gratually.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So at some point in twenty eleven, the Australian authorities
figured out that the real Michael McGoldrick had died in
Las Vegas in the eighties, So who is this guy?
So they contacted the US Diplomatic Security Service and like
a little sleuthing here, some snoop in there, boom, they
uncover him Peyton and it was just an hour away
(40:20):
from Ray. I'm still trying to get my head around this.
And since they both owned tourist operations, I wonder if
they ever crossed paths.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I'm sure they had to have tourist industry like conventions, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Getting awards. Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Can you imagine though, Ray or whatever, Ray's fear when
he sees that headline and he's like, there's no cops
out the window, but he's.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like freaked him out, Like the whole thing freaked him out,
and like he he and Janet were just squirrely after
this bet because then just three years later, someone grasped him,
someone ratted him out. I have my suspicions horse raider. Yeah,
(41:04):
we don't know, we don't know whoever it was. Didn't
go to the cops, though. They went to the press,
specifically to Pulitzer Prize winning Florida newspaper reporter Lucy Morgan.
So at this point, she's semi retired, she's seventy four
years old, but she has spent like much of her
career reporting on Ray and like keeping tabs on all
(41:26):
the sightings. She'd written all these articles about him and
like that whole smuggling scene, and then as they're like
taken down one by one, she reports on it everyone
but Ray. So she got all these tips over the years,
and she's like, you know, I get kind of tired
of I'll look into this one and like, you know,
I mean, Ray living is like an envirol warrior in
(41:49):
rural Australia. Like, oh fine, I'll just chase this one down.
It's original. So she starts doing her deep dives. Where
was Ray at this point, Well, he's still on the
tour service, but now he was battling Parkinson's disease.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
All right, he's getting up there.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, And like medication was helping, but it limited his activities,
so he couldn't do as much on the boats. He
wasn't supposed to be driving. His hands shook something terrible
and he was getting really weak, like a lot of
muscle loss. On the afternoon of May twenty six, twenty fifteen,
a call came into local police. A pickup truck driving
on a winding road had wrecked and wrapped around a
(42:27):
massive gum tree. There was this old dog of Beichmpfreze
in the truck that was like a little bit dazed
but was going to be okay. But the driver gone
killed instantly. It was ray this time he really did die.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Everyone in Port Douglas is absolutely devastated. The mayor called
him a lovely man and a gentleman. His neighbors and
his friends like praised his extensive scientific knowledge, his drive
for preservation. One guy said that he didn't have a
bad bone in his body.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Take surprise, come to your way.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
But yeah, and you know they had some bad bones
in his body. He had used him in one of
the metaphors, are.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
There bones in your body? Like doesn't have a racist
bone in their body, doesn't have a bad bone in
the kid. The whole idea of thematic bones and bodies
kills me, right.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Exactly, So the truth comes out. Lucy Morgan broke the
story in the Tampa Bay Times, so she gets the
tip he dies, and then.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
She breaks the confirmation he divorced.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
He had divorced Janet in twenty eleven, but.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
It really got squirrely.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, So either because of that or maybe despite that,
I don't know. This huge piece runs in the Tampa
Bay Times. His sister said, quote, it really just broke
my heart when he disappeared. He never tried to contact
us again. I felt so bad that his children had
to grow up without him. So you know he's this
he's two people, Yeah, totally. And about those kids though,
(43:54):
two of the boys, Ronald and Raymond Junior, Raymond the third.
So if Ronald and Raimon in the third, Yeah, they
did time in federal prison importing cocaine. Hell, you know
they were.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
In legends like that. You're gonna think this is always
an option.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Sure, well, they were indicted in nineteen ninety one. Both
of them then immediately went on the LAMB. I learned
it from Watching You, Ronald, he got picked up in
nineteen ninety four, but Ray the Third he was able
to avoid capture for twenty years, just like.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Popa Wow, knock off the bill.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
He headed up to Alaska. He went the other direction,
and he used the name Don Davenport. Oh, He's like,
I'm Don Davenport from Colorado. Yeah, so he got married.
What's amazing is that he married a cop. One of
the articles refers to her as a Kodiak police officer.
So I like to imagine a big bear in a
(44:50):
police So much more fun that way. So Ray the Third, Oh,
when he's married to the to the bear. He also
had a wife and kid back in Florida. But whatever
did he do it? Just like Papa from Watching You,
he got busted in Texas in twenty ten, gets extradited
(45:10):
to Florida. Yeah, he told Outside Magazine via a letter
written from the Federal pen quote, I think my father
picked a good place to have a life, and I'm
glad that he won and got out of here when
he did. I missed him, but used what he taught
me and lived without regrets for my life. That's yeah,
(45:31):
devastating about what he taught you. Ronald was right there
with his brother. He wrote in a letter to Outside
from the Federal.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Pen quote, they have time.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I don't blame Dad for not showing up. I'm sure
that he missed certain aspects of what was left behind.
It's like you cut a chunk out of your heart leaving.
But things seldom end the way you visualize. In life.
You can only take your best shot and roll with
the punches.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah, he's had some rough emotional lows.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
So, like I said, the Riverboat Company still exists. This
is from their website. When Lee passed away in twenty fifteen,
his daughter Kiana inherited the business and assumed the responsibility
of championing this amazing ecosystem to the world. Keana has
remained dedicated to operating sustainably and in harmony with the
(46:23):
environment and local community. She continues to uphold all the
values put in place by her father and has proven
herself not only as a business owner, but also as
a passionate environmental activist.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Good for her.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, So, to close this out, I'd like to leave
you with commentary from Norman Duke.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Not the Norman Duke.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, the world's foremost authority on Mangrove for us and
also close friend of Ray Slash Lee. Thank you When
asked about how people in far North Queensland talk about
Lee as someone who found redemption, as a man running
away from a troubled past, who transformed himself into a
protector of one of the world's most pristine natural habitats.
(47:02):
This is what Duke had to say, quote reflecting on
it now, It's just what Australia is all about. It's
all about redemption, all about finding a new life.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Interesting way I look at colonialism.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Sorry, what's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Hearing the road not taken? I am glad I took
the road.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
I did he too, because living life on the lamb
sounds like just punishing for anyone who ever once loved you.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, that's what I think is my takeaway. Thank you
for asking. All right, Yeah, what did you think is
the complexity of being these two? He's still in there,
there's the bone and the body thing, right, Like, so
he's the as a as a fugitive or as a criminal.
He's got these good aspects to who he is. He's
always been an environmentalist and like you know, but like
(47:57):
a very personal likable.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
You know, they like people.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
He wasn't violent, he didn't hurt people, but there was
a certain violence to abandoning the family.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
And the kids.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
And you see that like his his boys think that
he's you know, he was a good role model, I guess,
whereas like he took down both of their I don't
see it like when from like a they stand back
when we get a view from where we see it
of like the damage that he did to these guys, because.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I don't fault them for thinking what they think, and
I don't even pity them. It's not like that, but
I can see the limits of their world like a
snow globe, yea, And they don't know that they're in
the snow globe, and it doesn't have to be the
way they know right and smart for what they know
from based on where they what they have, no, you
know what I mean. I admire how they reacted to
their world. In some ways, I feel bad that their
dad pushed him into that snowbe.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
And the Horseback Lady talking about Janet being so in denial.
We have to survive, Like how having that hang over
you that you have you build this lovely life in
this community come crashing down in one moment. That the
pressure of that, you kind of have to disassociated the
(49:12):
same thing. Yeah, what was horse lady?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
No, I don't mean that she decided not to snitch
because it benefited her family.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, it's the same. It's the same choice she's not
because it benefits her family, exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
A choice exactly. But so like this notion of redemption,
I am fully a believer in that, and I'm a
believer in reinvention of oneself. I think that's an important solitary.
But the wreckage in your wake.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Good, none of us are in island, Jack.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
No, and it brings me back to.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Obligations, your original thesis.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Thank you, yes that in summary, embrace your obligations. You
know that you have. You can't run from them, and
it causes more wreckage when you do. Dave, I need
to talk back.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I got your covered.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Oh my god, Hella, get.
Speaker 6 (50:14):
Hey, producer, d Darren and Elizabeth, this is Heather from Texas. First,
thank you for renewing my love of garden and gun
with that fabulus story from Alabama a couple of weeks ago.
And thank you for being my constant companions in the car.
You make me laugh every day. I love widiquitous quime.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, here we do it for you for the people.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Garden and Guns should cut us in on a new subscriptions.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
That's what you want.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Oh, I love that one. Uh that's us for today.
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(51:35):
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edited by noted Australian drifter Dave Cousten, starring Annals Rutger
as Youith. Research is by fugitive riverboat guide Marisa Brown.
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