More from the Casebook of Bob Nygaard, Psychic Detective

We're back with more tales from the anti-psychic sleuthing of super detective Bob Nygaard. Bob and his fedora get justice for a lovelorn gent who spent a king's ransom trying to win back his dream girl. As you can probably guess, hundreds of thousands of dollars and diamonds later, the guy was still alone. But he (and we) will always have Nygaard. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey, Elizabeth Dutton, Zaren Burnett, I know you, I know you.
I had a question for you, my friend. You know
what's ridiculous I do? Look look at that grand you
do waffle.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
House in so many ways. I didn't want to leap
to it and make a good ridiculous. I'm not anti
waffle House.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I didn't think you were.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
They have that whole like waffle House scale, Like they
stay open during hurricane Yeah exactly, God bless and like
I love like divy places on road trips, and then
you paid for it later you're like, oh god, I
never eating again anyway, waffle House. When you think of
waffle House, do you ever.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Think of beer.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Drunks?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Right, there's this brewing company that a couple of years back,
five years back now, a Cony brewing company. They reached
out and they're like, hey, waffle House, I know I
snuck it. Hey pw you want to make a can?
Webeth No, this is what they're like, Hey, Ring Ring
waffle House, can we make a beer with you?

Speaker 4 (01:05):
And they were like, I don't care what you do?
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
So they they titled this this Beer bacon and kegs,
and it is a red ale and it has a
multi character enhanced with quote salty, savory and smoky bacon extract.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think like way behind on the Holy Baby.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well twenty twenty was still way behind them. They had
like they.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Were like handing out the little handlebar mustache feels.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Much more twenty twelve, twenty fifteen in that range.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
So they're late to the party. They reached out. They're like, yeah,
it sounds all right. Then the pandemic hits and then
like end of.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Twenty twenty and want bacon beer.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, I think a lot of people would have
hit up bacon beer. People were desperate. So anyway, waffle
House is like, yeah, fine, whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
It's not like they put a lot of effort into this.
This brewing was like, we're all about it.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
So they have the the artists do this can then
has waffle House on it, bacon and kegs. It is,
as they describe it, a red beer, a dark red
beer with like a deep bacon flavor.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't even is it smoky, you think in smoke flavor,
dark riven color.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
The beloved scent of bacon stands out from the typical
medium hop aroma of a red ale.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So they like ground down some baco bits.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Shod in silky bacon extra so they just squeeze it
in advice.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Like you think there's real bacon involved.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Totally and so it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's not this is a product of New Jersey chemicals.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
No, it's a it's a Georgia, Greensburg, Georgia.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I bet their flavorings came from New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Probably, so anyway you can get it from them. I
don't know if they're still doing this because it's back
in Twa, Twana. I just you know, I'm trying to
I'm trying to remember where I found it. It came
from a rude dude, Emily Robertson dud. She was like,
check this, and I checked it, So there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I do appreciate the energy, if not the result.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Thank you me too.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Last week I told you about psychic detectives. Remember how
much fun that was? Why I promise we'll be back
with more stories from the Niguard Psychic Detective Casebook. Well
here we are, only this time we're going to focus
on a victim who is a man, because last time
it was all women and I wanted, I said, I
wanted to point out the gender differences because I noticed

(03:28):
in reading these stories, in these news stories, that when
a phony psychic wants to count a man, they were
in a whole different game.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Oh, this is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and

(03:59):
out rageous capers, heist and cons.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It's allways ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred
percent ridiculous. Yes, Elizabeth, Oh, Sarah, so you seem ready
for round two with Bob niger.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Ready hardcore into it last time around. Okay, we just
jump nothing but think about it and you know, waffle housepeer.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
But like when I wasn't thinking about waffle House beer
is Bob Nigarden, I was all Niguard.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
However, a week for you.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, little Bobby Niguard.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well, dateline, Manhattan, twenty fifteen. Oh okay, what's the story?
Great question, Elizabeth, Glad that you ask that. Well, there's
this man, this cat, this dude, Nile n I A L. L.
Nile Rice like the food, Nile Rice falls in love.
But okay, we need to back up a little bit.
That's jumping way too far ahead. Nile Rice is from England.

(04:51):
Good for him, right, Nile was a young man doing well.
In fact, he was a good kid, Like he hoped
to one day buy a home for his mom and
back in England. Nice. You see, he'd been raised poor,
you know, single mom. Now he's doing well for himself.
He wants to share his good fortune with his mom.
Like I said, kid's a good egg. And also he
was like in his early thirties at this point when
the story begins, So he was hoping to find his

(05:12):
special person now that his life was rolling all along.
He's putting in bank by like you know, the six figures.
The guy's doing well, right, just stacking it away, and
he feels, I'm ready for love. I can handle that
kind of you know, next step in my evolution. Now,
he wasn't actually the ready to talk to women. That
was a little bit of a problem for Nile. He was, Yeah,

(05:34):
it was a big hurd all right there. Yeah, he
was shy, he was uncomfortable in public spaces. He wasn't
very confident in himself. He suffered from anxiety. So he
started to drink to give himself that social lubrication that
drinking can provide. Right, But as you react, it only
led to problems. So because soon he was drinking so
much just to be social, he started adding in drugs

(05:55):
to the mix because you know, some of the people
he's hanging out with are like, hey, you want to
try this?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
He's like, oh, why not have that experience of being like,
you know, I don't like the whole introvert extrovert because
I mean, it exists, but.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I think spectums a little bit.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
White people don't understand too a lot of times that
introvert is like, you can be on and social, it's
just draining.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
It takes sure, it doesn't give you any energy. Yes,
but so if you're but if you're like awkward.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
And and anxious, and then you're able to, you know,
become a different person with alcohol or drugs or whatever,
it's really appealing to be like, oh, well, dang, I'm
just gonna you know, a magic formula totally and you
become a different person.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
So he finds that and then all of a sudden
it's it's there's a cost to this magic formula, right,
And so then he has to pull himself together and
he decides he needs to go and get treatment. So
he decides to go to rehab in the States, he
flies over to Arizona.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Oh, American rehab man, I.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Don't apparently often. I've had a lot of friends go
through it. There's some programs that are great. Some programs
are just money drains.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, a lot of those, like oh, you're back for.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
The third time, we got your room over here.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
But it sounded like a really nice locale.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah it's like Malibu. No, okay, I won't pick on
that place. But the story I know about like taxi
drivers being sent there and then let's go pick and
score and then like I know about like anyway, it
doesn't matter. It promises we can't do that. But Elizabeth,
you may be like me and wondering why would anyone
from outside America want to quit drinking in Arizona?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Maybe maybe that's just maybe. But anyway, he wasn't moving there.
He just wanted to check himself into rehab facility in Arizona,
and I canna spend too much time. He enters treatment
for his acute anxiety as well. He doubles up for
uh yeah, exactly so, and when you know what, this
is where he finds love, right, and he's like starts
taking care of himself and then boom. No, Nile meets

(07:47):
this woman named Michelle. She wasn't working at the rehab facility,
she was also there for treatment, and, as Nile remembers
a quote, we had such a strong connection was unbelievable.
I'd love to deeply Now, Elizabeth, have you ever seen
the movie Speed?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Which one is that with?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
It came out in nineteen ninety four?

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Is that? Then?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Reeves stars friend of the show Kenna Reeves, along with
America's sweetheart of the nineties, Sondra Bulls.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
That's a great movie, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Do you remember at the end of Speed, Canna Reeves,
his character says to Sondra books character, quote, I have
to warn you, I've heard relationships based on intense experiences
never work.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
That's good advice right now.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Sondra Bullocks character replies, okay, well we'll have to base
it on sex then, okay. Right, So she's like kind
of like, the only way to meet this is that spirit,
which is we're going to defy the odds. So this
couple they're like, we meet in a traumatic experience, they
try to start a relationship.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Are you not supposed to totally.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Not supposed to date people in rehab?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yes, it's pretty.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Much like ground rule number three, I think.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
So basically what happens for Nila and Michelle is they
go through this speed post traumatic. Oh, we love this,
this is amazing. We both feel so alive, we feel
like new people each other. Yeah, and so they start
to think of each other's twin flame. Yeah, so Nile
and Michelle they fall in love.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
So then they both get out of rehab, and sadly,
Michelle kept up with her drug habit, so she took
too many pills and she overdoses and after her relapse,
gets sent back to the rehab facility. Right, And that
was also the end of their burgeoning relationship because obviously,
Michelle realizes she needs to focus on herself, so she
tells him that she's not in a place where she
could be in a relationship with Nile, and perhaps thanks

(09:26):
to rehab and his increased sense of self confidence and
newfound perspective, Nile tells her he agrees. He's like, oh,
you know what, that's that's the best way to look
at it. We both need to focus on ourselves and
if down the road, perhaps we can make it work out.
So he tells her, focus on yourself, baby, and you know,
and your recovery now. So at this point, you know,

(09:47):
as he would tell it later on, I was moving
on with my life right now. At this point, also
still in his early thirties, Nile is a young professional
working as a consultant. He's doing search engine optimization. Those
of it. Don't hold that against him. I saw that face.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Now do you say consultant? So he set that up
to say to consultants.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Like one the things when I first got out of
college and I went to this this party for a
friend of mine on the Peninsula and most of the
people at the party had just.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Graduated from Stanford.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Oh of course, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Talking to him and everyone's like, oh, what do you do?
What do you do? And every single person would say,
I'm a consultant.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
It just means I'm self employed.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
And I'm like, you just got out of college of consulting.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Are you going to do exactly? This is the way
of saying I can be hired for anything, and I'm
self employed. I'm a jack of all trades because I
don't have a skill yet that I can tell you.
That's what I did exactly, But you know, don't let
me say anything I'm just saying that crowd, that crowd
in particular exactly.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Now, if you're a consultant and you're listening to this,
it doesn't apply to you.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh I've been called a consultant, you know, like numerous
times because of like what I was doing. Someone referred
to me, Oh, yes, we've hired this consultant. I'm like, oh,
that's what I am in this situation.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Oh yeah, it does happen to you.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So anyway, So now he builds his life for himself
in Brooklyn because he's in search engine optimization in twenty fifteen,
now he can just be Okay, Well he gets a
place in a cool loft building in East Williamsburg. Right,
you know, he's one of those kids two former warehouses.
Now there they warehouse young hip people.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
So maybe it's his proximity to all these other young
couples living near him around him. But Miles starts to
feel a little lonesome. Right, Nile thinks maybe back to
when he was last happy, and he thinks of Michelle,
the woman he fell in love with him rehab. Yeah,
and he keeps thinking how she's doing Maybe they could
be doing that together. He could be doing it with her.
That'd be awesome. So does he pick up the phone

(11:31):
and call her? Does he slide into her dms Elizabeth?
Does he email her a confession of his feelings and
the fact he's still thinking about her?

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Does he stalk her on social media?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
No? No, and no. What does he do? Well? Instead,
he's out walking one day in New York and he
gets an idea. He's a big time walker, this kid. Right,
he walks over the Williamsburg Bridge and I'm not sure
if you know this. It takes them from Brooklyn into Manhattan, right, right,
So now he's on Delancey Street and he sees someone
he thinks might have answers about Michelle.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I want to guess who Nile saw Michelle's dad.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, good guess though. Is a neon sign? A big
neon sign was in a.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Storefront window hot Krispy Krean.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
It said psychic. It was a psychic storefront shop on
that West forty third Street. Nile opened the door, walked in.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
This is the most seeking answers about Michelle.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Oh yeah, oh completely, it is. So at this point,
Oh yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I went to rehab in Arizona. Then I moved to
Brooklyn to do some sort of computer nonsense.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, I should clarify at this point I was wrong.
It was this is August twenty thirteen at this point.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Okay, well twenty thirteen. So now I'm going to go
to a psychic and okay.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So Nile's life is about to dramatically change, right. He
meets his young woman named Brandy. As he puts it,
she knew a lot of stuff now, Okay. For instance,
she told.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Him is she a fine girl?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Would not be so perfect if she was. So, she
tells him this is an example of how she knows things.
I see that you are connected to this girl. I mean,
like shot in the dark there. She also tells him
that he and Michelle are twin flames. He's like, that's
what we used to say, man. So yes, yes, yes,
is what Nile is thinking on the inside. So and
then you know, he tells this to Brandy and then

(13:15):
Brandy's like, oh, yes, her spirit talks to me. And
he's like oh. So Nile tells Brandy about his long
lost love Michelle, and she seems to be moved by
their love story, like she's touched. She's like, I got
to get you two crazy kids.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Back together, like Michelle's alive.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, total, yeah, there's nothing. There's nothing like
her spirit. I don't mean to like she just feel spirits. Elizabeth.
She just like she just ut. Yeah, she's like a
you know, like a radio receiver to all the spirits
on earth. She just had to get the like right setting.
And he's telling her like, yeah, try one of three five,
that's Misspelle. So at this point, he says, you know,

(13:51):
referring to Brandy the psychic, she said, if you could choose,
would you want to be back with her again? Yes,
Nile is all the way. So she promises, I can
help you put you two back together. I want to
see you two kids back together. And also I know
secret things, so I know to help you.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Brandy tells him, you know, it'll only take you a
deposit for my services, just a cool twenty five hundred.
We can get that set up. It's like, think of
it like a lawyer. I'm just on retainer here to
do because we're gonna need to do a lot of work. Again,
He's like yes, right, So now walks out, hikes over
to a Chase bank. He pulls out the twenty five
hundred dollars, turns around, goes right back to Brandy hands

(14:30):
or the hot money, and she then promises him that
don't worry, you'll get your money back. I don't know
how that will work out from me. I don't know
if Michelle's going.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
To give it back to Michelle's going to be like,
look at all this cash I have.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Somehow this money is going to come back in the
on this road to Michelle, or once he's with Michelle, are.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Found in the backyard of the rehab. No pile of cash.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
He ends up, as he puts it, I ended up
giving her ten grand twelve grand in the first week.
It's hard to explain. Now. When he spoke with The
New York Times, he attempted to explain it, and he
said it wasn't like saying, give me ten grand and
I'll tay your shoe laces. There's a half truth in that.
There's something in it. This whole psychic scam is based
on them knowing what's going on in your life. They
have a gift. Now, what does he mean when he

(15:11):
says they have a gift. Well, she milked him like
a prize dairy cow. Oh, that's her gift right. For instance,
Brandy told him she needed diamonds to protect her energy
and his energy. Why they did this important work. So
my man Nile tramps over to Tiffany and Company.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Are you sure he's clean?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, he's clean as far as everything I
was understanding about him. He's with somebody who's flushed with
a lot of cash, lonely man by himself in New York.
And she senses that. So she's like, you know, sends him.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Out to Tiffany Diamonds.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yes, Lux Jewelry to quote ward off evil spirits Elizabeth.
The ring from Tiffany cost forty grand forty large fort now.
In return, Brandy invites him to come spend his birthday
with her. Oh yeah, but not just her, her whole family.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Oh great.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
They cooked this birthday boy a steak. It's his birthday,
and he's like, yeah, I'm over hang out with us,
oh for a year y and they make a shit.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
She's trying to play off like that's her fiance to
her family.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think that she's just trying to like make him.
She can tell he's alone, so I think she's like, yeah,
come I go with my family. I got a lot
of family will make your stake birthday boy, So he
feels a little special right anyway. Based off Brandy's support
of this dream to reunite with Michelle, she tells him
he needs to go to her, so he eventually buys
a plane ticket and flies out to where she is now,
which is Los Angeles. Okay, that's where Michelle's living at

(16:28):
the time. Okay, I'll take a little break. When we
get back, I will tell you what happens when Nile
meets back up with Michelle. I'm so scared, Elizabeth, Jaron, Hey,

(16:57):
are you digging this? You like a Nile and Michelle.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
I'm so fast. I'm really worried.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I you know, I think I'm going to open a
storefront that says psychic and people come in and be like,
give me five dollars. And He's like, should I find
this girl? No, move on with your life.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Someone new, find someone new. I see it in the start. So,
as I said, Nile buys himself a plane ticket to
fly to LA where Michelle is now located and living
her best life. Okay, now, does Nile contact Michelle before
he buys said plane ticket?

Speaker 4 (17:30):
You're kidding me, No, he does not we have her
contact in for me.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes, of course, he tells him her. He plans a surpriser.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
How does he know where she lives?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
In La Facebook and stuff? Man, Well, he'll contact He'll
contact her once he gets there. He doesn't know. He's
not going to show up at her house like knock, knock,
Hey I'm here. It's noil.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
You know, I don't know this guy.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
He plans a surpriser, like, hey, I'm in town. You
know you want to link up? He does this. He
arrives in l A. He texts Michelle. He tells her,
I'm in town and you like to see me? And
she's like oh, She responds, that's a good sign. Right,
She'll texts him back, I'm on a boat, but let's
meet tomorrow. Yeah right. So Nile was beside himself, she
responded positively. He's thinking about it all. Then it's told

(18:13):
me to see you tomorrow. That's gonna be so amazing. So,
as he told The New York Times, I was ecstatic.
Now would you believe it? She texts him the next day,
Elizabeth look good for her and the Twin Flames. They
make a plan to meet up. They do meet up
and in person, they talk, they reconnect, and they make
plans to go out that night. Okay, but then she
texts him later and she la flakes on him.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Was she like, I don't go over the four or five?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Not that kind of flaking, that's true, la flaking. It
was just more like, oh, yeah, I said we were
gonna hook up over not maybe later, pretty soon, I'll
text you that kind of thing, right, Because Nile tells it,
Michelle texts him and said she felt I had been
acting strange. So, as Niles also added to the New
York Times quote, the only way I was caught up
in it, she said afterward, I was I was acting weird, strange, weird.

(19:00):
I'm imagining, Yes, that's what I said. He didn't say
that explicitly, but that's what I'm guessing.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, And she's just she gets home and she's like,
oh big.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Even if he just said like, hey, I flew across
the country because I wanted to meet up with you,
my twin flame, that enough would do it.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
So what do you do it? What brings you to
Los Angeles?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
There's a high chance that's going to blow up in your.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Face, yeah, which is well, it's a lot it's intense.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
It's like, oh, this person's showing up with a lot
of story. Yeah, you know, it's just so we don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
What's been going on in her life exactly, you know,
like we don't know how many sugar daddies she has.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Now, or sugar mama's or children. Yeah, or like maybe
a good professional gig going that's taking a lot of interest, yes,
Or maybe she's just gotten into surfing and she's like,
I'm dancer.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Early Jane's addiction now, yeah, who knows. I can't say
what we used to say.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
What we do know is that Nile goes back to
he flies them to New York. He's like, I only
go back to my life. So what do you think
he does next? Elizabeth goes to the psychic. No, we
got himself a new psychic. Oh, because yeah, psychic was wrong.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Those diamonds did not work.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
No, So at this point, Nile's back in New York
shopping around for a new psychic. Elizabeth, I don't want
you to worry. He finds one, now, I love that.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
He's like, that didn't work because the psychic told me
to do it, So I should just get a different.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
A more powerful psychic and what is.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
He hoping to accomplished with new psychic and.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Kind of get Michelle back? Same goal, same goal. Yeah,
this is why you give a man a different they
need quest. I'll give you a little insight into men.
Men need quests, doesn't matter straight or gay, asexual or not.
Men need quests. They love They respond to them. Yeah,
you give them a challenge, you say I'd like you
to do this. They go out there, and if they
suffer and they hate it and it sucks, they'll still
make that into a positive expression of their like how

(20:42):
much they care for you, because look, I suffered these
things and arrows for the quest. And the quest can
be like could you go get me hoggin DAWs And
it's like two in the morning.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Is that like your hardest quest you've ever received?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
No? No, I got much harder quest. So his quest
is he needs to needs to find a powerful mage
to help him on his quest to get back the princess.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
I have gotten. It's been a psychic.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, I don't think you're understanding that the dynamic of
how much emotions shape people more than their actual rational thoughts.
You I often noticed that you were like, oh yes,
why did they do that, like I aspire and admire
how rationally you think other people are. I think that
they're emotional and then they rationalize their emotions.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
You have an overlay of a matrix of like, oh,
like this story he's telling himself, Like, like I said,
he's a knight eron going out there. Now he's gonna
get his magical his mage to help him.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Really easy for me outside of the situation, like why
would you do that?

Speaker 4 (21:31):
When I've done dumb stuff like that?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Totally, I can tell you why. He's in love and
he's love with the story he's telling himself. It's still love.
So he's gonna act love strucked and dumb. But the
other person's like, what are you talking about? Because she's
in love with a story, not a person. Right anyway,
the new psychic Elizabeth, her name is Christina Dalmorrow. Okay,
now remember that name, it'll keep showing up. This is
Christina Dalmorrow, and she had an answer for why the

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surprise trip to la didn't pan out for Old Nile.
Christina tells him that Niall had a dark spear there
was dooming their love. But the good news was she
knew what to do to vanquish and banish the dark Spirit.
Guess how much that would cost? Oh, no, twenty eight
thousand dollars, Elizabeth.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Well it's cheaper than the ring.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, she's like, I can get you in the dark
Spirit out of here by twenty eight thousand dollars. And then,
but also, I'm sorry I misstated that's the opening. I
also need another twenty eight thousand dollars to close the deal.
So open the deal twenty eight grand, twenty eight grand
to close the deal. That's fifty six thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
As a public service, I need to start doing like
an advice colin.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
You really do get paid really good advice. You can
be paid a lot by people who actually might.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
You need yours all their money.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
No, you wouldn't actually like flee them.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
You just kind of like for this, for this type
of thing. Someone needs to why didn't work when I
went out there?

Speaker 3 (22:45):
All right, sit down, let's talk about why this didn't
work because you came on a real strong path.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
No one likes that.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
That was just you just like that, holding a giant
red flag above.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Your head and then turned poking, and they're like, why
why don't you love me? So at this point, when
here's the fifty six thousand dollars to freedom and love,
Nile says, hmm, you're saying that Michelle, my twin flame,
and I am meant to be together, but there's this
malevolent spirit dooming them, and fifty six thousand of what
it will cost for us to beat the damon and
be together, you got a deal.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, he's like, what is that in pound sterling.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
From then on, as he put it, Nile led a
double life. I go back to Christina and talk about
Michelle for an hour and then go back to the office,
and she wouldn't leave me alone. She was like family.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Wait, he goes and talks about this woman.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah for a yea psycho. It's his therapist. You see
what I'm saying, it's his He need actual I have.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Known people who came out of rehab clean, yes, but
they need other addictions.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So a lot of them become like vegan and they're
addicted to that, just eating clear, and they're like really
into a certain like spiritual thing, like they get really
into whatever name of spiritual name of spiritual movement, and
then that becomes like the addiction because they need that focus.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
So this guy's something to give you habit and focus
and then also hope in a connection to tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
And there's like the high of it.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
So and he's like, yeah, she's willing to stoke him
with Okay, Yeah, here's how we're gonna feature twin flames
so you guys can burn brighter.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Flame.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
So as we've kind of been like teasing out, even
Nile recognizes this, and he would later reflect back and
say that I needed my mom. Really, Remember, this is
this guy with a single mom. He was raised together
and now he's out in New York by himself, and
then he he needed his mom right. Well, eventually and
Ile did tell someone about this strange relationship with Michelle

(24:34):
and his new psychic Christina, And he tells his roommate
Lauren Horton, right, and she tries to get him to
see the light. She's like, listens, listens, and she's like,
what the absolute f As she told The New York Times,
it was insane to me. I told him how many
times he was out of his mind. He was convinced
that if he didn't pay her for the work she
was doing for him, bad things would happen to him.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Can we pause for one second and think about how
bad your life is if your roommate is telling the
New York Times how out of control you are, Like, yeah, wow,
that's a high bar classify it.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Wow. So after she, you know, she kind of pings
what we've been talking about his addictive nature. She also
compares his relationship to the psychic as this new and
much more expensive addiction. She's like, he's just make God
found himself a more expensive adare it is? But he
doesn't want to hear it. He wants Michelle. So he
moves out, and he doesn't cut off contact with his
now former roommate Lauren Horton. Though he wasn't that guy

(25:31):
wasn't so severe, right, But he moves so a new
apartment and he invites his old roommate over for Christmas dinner.
She's like, oh, it'd be nice to see an aisle.
She pops over because you know, I guess she didn't
leave town. And trouble was Christina was invited as well.
So she gets there and the psychic is there, and
Laura is bothered by the presence, right, She's like, what
are you doing? Why is she here? I thought I
told you she's pleasing you, yeah, and he's like, yo,

(25:52):
be kind And as Lauren told The New York Times,
I didn't like her because I knew what was going on.
So you know that that was an icy Chris dinner.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Three of them, I.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Mentioned a couple of other people, just three of them, Yeah,
like a Charlie Brown, Christmas.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Dree eating McDonald.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Meanwhile, Christina and Nile they're they're working overtime to reconnect
him with Michelle out in la and Christina she's got
a new plan, right, She tells him they need to
have a funeral, not a real one, a lit I
don't want you worrying, but it was a fake funeral.
They need to have a fake funeral. Now. The reason why,
like why fake funerals aren't great? Question, Elizabeth. It was
because the demon. They needed to trick the demon that's

(26:29):
haunting Nile into believing that he's dead, so that way
the dark spirit would move on and haunt somebody else.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
So I thought they were going to like trick Michelle
to come to his funeral, find out how she really
trick and then coffin.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's a bit too much, I think, Although it's a
good play for sympathy been a dark one. Yeah. The
fake funeral that she tells them and plans to trick
the demon with is not going to be cheap. Of course,
you can't just get like a this demon understands what
kind of money he's got. He needs to have a
shit funeral for him.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Well, and the mortuary industrial complex, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Good luck. Forty racket was the cost. It gave it
forty grand forty cock that's what she dropped. She's like, yeah,
it'll be forty quid or sorry, forty thousand dollars. So sadly,
the fake funeral does not do the trick with the
dark Spirit. It just keeps on stocking Niles happiness. I know,
but Christina Elizabeth has a new plan. Don't worry right now.
Can you guess what they need? Don't guess? It's ridiculous.

(27:25):
They need a time machine.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Wait, remember before last week? Now they needed time.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, I remember before how the phony psyekicks I told
you about. They told him they needed to go back
in time night. Yeah, so you need to go buy
an expensive watch because you want to use the best material.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Oh yeah, that's so she went.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
She tells them to buy uh, you know, with the
female vis it was a Cardier watch and then dunk
it in the Sacred Lake in Pennsylvania. Same plan for him.
Christina tells Nile he needs to buy a thirty thousand
dollars Rose gold Rolex watch and he does his instructed
and would you believe it is a it. It didn't work.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Because he didn't rub an egg all over his bad I'm.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Telling you that darn dark spirit.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
It's so stubborn. But Christina the psychic dawn power shot
on it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh, that stuff will take evil right out of the way.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Or Irish Spring three and one.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I love when you have this good Reddit advice. So
I assume that's where you got that.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
That's all I do.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So Christina the fake psychic, she's not done. She's got
a new plan. This scheme is definitely going to trick
a demon. This has tricked every demon she's ever come across.
I don't know why I didn't start with this one. Yeah, right,
But they're like, you know what, we're going to need
the Golden Bridge.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Oh, of course, the Golden Bridge.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Now I don't want you imagining like, oh, and I
was gonna fly out to San Francisco and use our
beloved Golden.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Gate bridge'st psychic battle. The rainbow bridge.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, pretty much. This is not a reasonable bridge. It's
not even a bridge. It exists in our physical realm.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
No, No, he needs.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
A literal bridge of gold, that one that exists in
the spirit realm. Apparently there's gold in the spirit run.
So in the spirit realm, you have a bridge of
gold that's going to lure the dark spirit to cross
the bridge of gold, and then it would get stuck
on the other side, and I guess they would like destroy.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
The bridge real quick, Zaron.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
It makes so much srapping the demon in the spirit realm.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Why didn't I think of this earlier? It was like
right there in front of you.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Totally, it's obvious. This is why she's like. So was
frustrated with herself, and I was like, okay, let's do it.
So Christina's like, cool, Cool, that'll run you eighty grand
for an eighty mile long bridge of gold.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's cheat cost. I mean, come on, So he did.
It's shovel ready exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's the kind of project is he's turn key. I
think he called it he shovel Ready's actually you're right, yea,
So of course Nile pays because he's like, I want
a bridge of gold. I want to trick the demon.
Let's do it right, and he gets the update. This
damn dark spirit is so stubborn wouldn't cross the bridge.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
He tried lourd it over with tree, totally lourded.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Over, but it wouldn't cross all the way. So what
that means is Christina and Nile would need a second bridge.
Because of course she didn't think about it. Twin Flames
Elizabeth demon just hopped over onto like a Michelle's bridge
and then hot back. So the whole point was for
them to get free and be able to love each
other and be together in the future. They'd need a
second bridge from Michelle.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
And it's obvious, well, we're all slacking not thinking of that, right,
so that.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
We should get the whiteboard out and just like actually
work this out. Though by the way, it's gonna need
to be ten miles longer. You know what that meant
was the problem ten grand more? Well, yeah, so, as
Niall told The New York Times, I thought to myself,
I have the money just sitting in the bank. So
he paid. It's ninety grand for an imaginary Goldbrian.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
A second, A second, goldbrit You have the money sitting
in the bank. That's a good thing, because you know,
a lot of things are gonna happen in your life
that you don't expect, aside from psychics draining your pocket book.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
He wants to be with Michelle, his twin flame, Elizabeth.
It's a story he's telling himself, and he's operating according
to the rules of the story.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
As someone who's like looking down the barrel of like
not having any retirement.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And I hear like, oh, well, I'll just I'll let
you know. After a year of working with Christina Delmorrow,
Nile was down in the hole for three hundred and
twenty thousand dollars what one year?

Speaker 4 (31:10):
What? What? How much money is he making?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I told you he was making bank. I don't know exactly,
but he had like at least like seven figures in
the back. So now I don't want you to worry, though, because,
as you know, she promised he'd get that money back eventually,
he remember.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
So I don't worry about it, Elizabeth, just.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Keep a tab like I owe you spirit realm now, Elizabeth.
Reality eventually interceded. Finally, it was February twenty fourteen, Nile
went on Facebook to check on Michelle, see how she
was doing. That's when his whole world fell up from
underneath him. As he put it, I saw rip Elizabeth,
his twin flame, had passed. She was dead. Michelle had

(31:48):
died a little more than a week earlier. Oh no,
from a drug overdose. Oh totally sad. Yeah, real, absolute tragedy.
Now angel, He gets pissed. He contacts his psychic at
Christina and asks, what the hell happened here?

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:01):
And then I will tell us the times Christina said,
don't believe it. If you believe it, it's true.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Wait, don't believe yes, so, but.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
It was true. It was denying her corporeal existence. She
had passed. Now, But Nile wanted to know, how did
his psychic not see this coming? Right? Question? Pually the
money he's paying.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Down to the other end of the golden bridge, it
should be there that informations.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Like Polly Walnuts in the episode of The Sopranos, he
goes to the frase, you left me unprotected? Right, So anyway,
how did this dark spirit haunting him and his twin
flame give give no indication that Michelle gone to the
other side? You think one of the twin flames going
out suddenly, she might notice it. Christina total pro She's
got this handle. She has an answer. She tells Nile,
I told you she had evil spirits. So the phony

(32:48):
psychic claims it was the dark spirits that took her life,
took her, dragged her to the other side. We're doing
dangerous work dark. Yeah, but not only that. Now Christina's like,
don't worry. Don't worry. I got a new plan for
how we can get Michelle back from the other side.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
They're going to resurrect.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
They're gonna resurrect, They're going to reincarnator. They're gonna reincarnate Michelle. No,
they're gonna pull her spirit back from the other side.
There you go, that's the question. You see boom. They
would create a new Michelle. This new Michelle would not
exactly be the old Michelle. But her plan was to
coax Michelle's body into the body of a thirty one
year old woman.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
She's going to be like a robot.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
She's like, you're thirty what thirty one, thirty two? O. Yeah,
we'll get you a thirty one year old woman. We'll
put Michelle's spirit into her I don't know where that
woman's spirit goes.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Name is Michelle.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
So yeah, she tells Nile that together we will reincarnate Michelle. Right.
So at this point, the whole story is basically the
plot of the Steve Martin movie The Man with Two Brains, Right,
if you ever seeing.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
That one, that's what they're pulling.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
They're like, how do we get to share it in?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
I wish she would just go back to doing drugs.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh yeah, right, So I haven't told you the wildest
part yet, but uh, I'll leave that to Nile. Rice,
as he told The New York Times, I'd slept with Christina.
Oh really, but just wants Elizabeth. They slept together just once,
and Nile recognized it was a massive mistake. Oh, changed
things between them, changed their professional relationship. Yeah, because she's

(34:12):
not the new Michelle. He's still waiting for the new Michelle.
This wasn't part of the transmutation magic. No. Yeah, so,
but she and she didn't do like a spirit transfusion
like I'll let Michelle rent my body for the night,
or like you know, I take it over. It wasn't
one of those either, right, It was just like straight
up the two of them Now, what does happen at
this point is Nile moves out of New York, right,
but where does he move Elizabeth?

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Of course everyone.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
So yeah, he decides he went out there to find
his new Michelle because he's like, that's where old Michelle was.
Michelle will pick up the story, right.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
There, probably a lot of Michelle.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
A lot of possible Michelle's. By the way, he's still
staying in contact with his old psychic Christina. So one
day she emails him to let him know, I just
saw someone in the supermarket. It might have been her, right,
new Michelle. Yeah, because she also let him know, by
the way, I'm still working hard to reunite you, twenty
for seven round the clock. In fact, she's working so

(35:05):
hard on his case that she has no other time
for her other clients. Oh no, And thus Chelseon needs
a little more money. So she was telling him and
he recalled it. She was homeless, she'd lost everything for me.
I believed she'd lived in a church.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Wait the psychic, Yeah, grand.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes, that's what she's telling him, and that she's now
living in a church.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Where's the money church?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
She's homeless in living in a church, like taking shelter.
There no.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Nia.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
At this point, He's given her so much. He's not flushed.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
He's like, baby, I can't he'sah.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
But he borrows some money because he's still he feels bad, right,
So he sent her twenty eight thousand dollars. He had
so much he borrowed. But that's not the end, Elizabeth,
because he dipped into his life savings and then he
sent her the last payment that he would ever send
to Christina. He called it the big one that Elizabeth.
He sent her one hundred grand. It was so much money.
His bank wanted to know he wasn't being scammed the money.

(36:00):
They're like, what is this forge, I plan to buy a.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Car, right, one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
For a brief moment, it all seemed to be working.
Nile met a new woman in Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Was she on a boat?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
No, not on a boat? And Christine of course tells
him that's new Michelle. But she was not the thirty
one year old woman that that Christina had predicted her.
You know, she wasn't set a twenty four year old woman. Oh.
Christina was like close enough, that's her, right, you know,
And you know it's not exact science, it's not anyway.
After a while, Nile came to the conclusion that Michelle's

(36:32):
spirit was not inside this new woman. This is not
my twin flame. Oh no, she was not the reincarnated
New Michelle. So the couple soon broke.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Up and poor new girl.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, and as Nile explains it, I was being weird.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
So again, you're kidding.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
He still had his own story going and there was
no room for her.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
She's asleep and he's whispering in her ear, like.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Michelle, are you in there?

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I know you're in there. Wiggle your does of it? Yeah,
And she's just like keeping her eyes closed, pretending to
be asleep. Like how do I get do.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I need to send more money? So after his fallout
with New not Michelle or not New Michelle quote, he says,
this caused me to start thinking that tomorrow wasn't everything
she was supporting to be.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Oh what?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
So he moves back to New York. He leaves La
and now he can't make his new life in New
York work anymore. I guess the seo engine market just
fell out. So he's in the city. He's now Also,
he's given away so much money. I mean, he's hundreds
of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
It costs a lot to move across country.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
That as well. Yeah, so he has to sell his
BMW and then he has to beg his father to
borrow some money just to afford his life. Right, but still,
as I said, he's back in New York, so you
better believe. He contacted Christina the psychic. Oh sure, and
he tells her like, oh, yeah, I sold my car,
I had to move out of my apartment. I've been
begging my family for money, but I still need your helps, right,
and so what's her response, Elizabeth?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Is this a plus you twenty five grand?

Speaker 6 (37:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Remember I said I'm out of money, but I need
your help. What's her response, Elizabeth? She ghosts him. He's
out of money, He's out of money. She can't work
the spirit realm without something.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
I'm just gonna keep putting the putting the cash.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, no free steak dinners. So Nile at this point
he gets pissed. He finally finally sees that he'd been scammed,
so he goes to the NYPD. Oh, and then he
contacts Bob Niguard, and Nile tells Bob Niguard that he'd
been scammed to the tune of seven hundred and thirteen thousand,
nine hundred and seventy five dollars. Oh my god, seven

(38:29):
hundred thousand dollars. Also, by this point, Christina del Marrow
was in the wind. Nobody could find her. He's like,
I've been by the storefront, she's not there. So, just
like with the female Vick who'd hired him, Bob Niguard
didn't judge Nile. He promised him he'd get him justice.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So Elizabeth, let's take a little break and after this
I will come back and get you some justice.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
Nice, Elizabeth, we're back.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
So I got a question for you. Yeah, So, do
you feel good now that Nile has figured out that
he was getting scammed and Bob Niguard has entered the picture.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I feel so much more comfortable now that Bob Nightguard's picture.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I mean, just like you can imagine him coming in
for door, steely eyed look, gauging the scene. Who's the
phony psychic in this past?

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I cannot wait for him to put the hammer down.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Oh well, I got good news for you, Elizabeth, because
rather than me tell you more about how Bob Nigard
gets justice. Elizabeth, I just liked you to close your
eyes and I'd like you to picture It's a Friday
night in the month of May, and you are in Manhattan.
At the moment, you were a seated atop the head
of Bob Niguard's psych a Detective. The reason why you're
atop the dome of the Private Investigator isn't anything weird.

(40:01):
It's because that's right, Elizabeth, you are Bob Niguard's fedora. Yes, specifically,
you are a brown hair and rabbit fur felt snap
brim fedora made by Italian hat maker Alessandria. You are
the model called the Bogart by Borsolino, created in collaboration
with the Humphrey Boguard Estate, and you hold a secret.

(40:22):
In your gray satin lined interior, there is a printed
silhouette of mister Humphrey Bogart and a gold stamped quote
of his do everything, one thing may turn out right.
This could also be Bob Nigard's motto. The Psychic Detective
has that same metal and sure he styles himself like
cinema tough guys like George Raft, Jimmy Cagney and of course,

(40:44):
Humphrey Bogart that he also lives like him. Today, You
and Bob are on the case. He caught a break
when his phone rang, and it was a tip. You
spent the afternoon gum shooing around Manhattan. You're trailing after
the psychic who's been bleeding his latest client's bank account.
You and Bob may with the sidewalk foot traffic, that
swell of humanity that fills the avenues of Manhattan. And

(41:05):
since it's May, it's hot enough that you can even
smell some of that swell of humanity. These people are
right anyway. Bob follows the psychic down Broadway. Slow moving
tourists brushed shoulders with Bob as they gate at the
skyscrapers and the neon signage of Times Square. But you
and Bob are on the case. He doesn't lose sight
of the psychic as she slips streams past a family

(41:25):
from Minnesota and turns the corner. He sees the psychic
throw her arms open and hug a man. Bob recognizes
the man. It's the husband. He opens the door of
a steakhouse and the couple steps inside. The door closes
behind them. Bob lifts you off of his head. He
wipes sweat from his brow, well earned sweat. He thinks
a moment, and then replaces you atop his head. He

(41:46):
pulls his phone from his pocket dials a familiar number.
The call connects You. Hear the muffled voice of a
detective from the NYPD. Bob gives him the score. The
two make a plan for a little surprise. Bob repockets
his phone and heads for the steakhouse. You cannot wait
to see how this is going to play out. Inside
the steakhouse, Bob asks for a specific table. He wants

(42:07):
to be able to keep an eye on the psychic
and her husband at his table. Bob takes you off
sets you on the white tablecloth. It's a soft seat.
From where you are on the table, you have a
good view of the psychic. She and her husband enjoy
glasses of wine. They're in a celebratory mood. Why not,
Bob sighs, knowing his client is the one footing the bill.
The waiter brings a glass of ice water. You hear

(42:28):
Bob as he orders a prime rib medium rare, and
for a side the new potatoes. Good choice, you think
to yourself. It feels like a slow eternity passes if
Bob clocks the psychic and her husband as they drink
wine enjoy their steak dinners. But then you spot the
two NYPD detectives step into the steakhouse, and they don't hesitate.
They see Bob. He points out the psychic's table and

(42:50):
the detective's head right over. You watch the table and
see the psychic as she looks up. Her big smile
falls when she sees two of New York's finds standing
over her. The detective's turn, they look at Bob and
give him the nod. Bob picks you up, gives a
little wave to the detectives and to the psychic. Christina Delmorrow.
Her face scrunches up in a mask of anger and shock.

(43:13):
The face of the cat perp.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I the fedora.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I thought that he's done for you. You seem like
a snap brim kind of gallan you. Yeah, there you go.
You got some justice. Once old Christina Delmorrow gets busted,
the charges come quickly. Nile Rice and Bob Nigar and
they hand over their evidence financial records. The NYPD hands
those over to the DA. Interestingly, though Nile, the victim

(43:40):
didn't include the fact the first psychic Brandy in his
big witness, that he left that out, like, I don't
want you to know from twice you may not want
to get me justice. So anyway, she somehow avoids criminal proceedings.
So at this point I just wanted kind of to
point out something that I noticed that we've you know,
kind of talked about now that we've got in the
little justice for the guy. Yeah, I'll get to what
happens when she hits the criminal justice system. Just comparing

(44:04):
his story to the stories I told you last week,
What did you notice was like a big difference if
you if you don't mind me asking, I just won't
e anything jumped out to you. It was about how
the psychic works the victim.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I mean, well, it's interesting because you were talking about
how men need a quest and this really focuses in
and like feeds that.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Yes, there's the women didn't have that.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
What did you notice that the psychic sold to the women?
I would describe it, I don't I don't want to
put work in the mouth. I can tell you my
exact I like it. So what this seemed that the
psychics were just selling the women, But that they needed
to fix themselves, and the psychics.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Oh, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
The women, you're right in this case can usually cure
their depression. But it was still made into yeah, you
have a dark spirit, will fix.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
You, get rid of the spirit.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
And then and also it came from your mother, your stepmother, somebody.
It's always another woman, so that they made it an
interesting social commentary for the guys who were vixed the psyche.
They see them coming and they promise them, I'll give
you whatever it is you desire. Now, not every guy
wants a woman specifically, right, Sometimes they want wealth, yeah,
the power, but they had that, yeah, that desire for

(45:10):
wish fulfillment and a quest.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
They're not going in saying what's wrong with me? Fix me?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Exactly?

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
And then it's also the psychics aren't reading them that way.
So even when they just do the cold reading like
they did with the women on the street, it's like
you see a woman who looks kind of like in
a dour mood, walk up to her and go, you
have a dark spirit over you. Nine times out of
ten she's like, I suffer for depression, Yes I do. Yeah,
But they're like no, no, no, it's not that, and
so the gulliblego, really something else, and you can cure
this because I've never been able to get free.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yes, and I was the psychic saying to do I'll
fix you. I'll fix you.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, no point you notice that Also, all the advertising
I think in our society aims at fixing women and
then sending men on ways to go aspire to something.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Exactly women's advertising.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
They'll tell you a problem you didn't know exactly, Like
remember Dove deodorant had a thing about like your unsightly
under arms. Oh yeah, like, oh, this deodorant'll make it so.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
That you're Wait, what I gotta worry about that too?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Keeps growing endless? All right, Well, on a funner subject.
Back to Bob Nigo, psychic detective. So after he arranges
for the steakhouse arrest, he helps Nile Rice to navigate
the next steps and knowing from his days as an
NYPD detective, as he puts a quote, the thing that
makes a person a perfect mark also makes him a
bad witness. So Nile's case, what particularly made him a

(46:32):
bad witness was the fact that he slept with his psychic.
That's right, because that made it possible for her lawyer
to argue that all of the money was a gift
to his lover.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yes, but the prosecutors managed to do their job and
they actually did get a conviction. Well, Christina Tomorrow pleaded guilty.
They got it a flip right, And by the way,
that's not her real name. In court, Niall learned that
his phony psychic's real name is Priscilla Kelly Tomorrow, and
so also her husband, Bobby Evans, who was also a
arrest did as we saw in the steakhouse. The charges
against him were eventually dropped, which is a damn shame

(47:04):
because he clearly was her criminal co conspirator, like at
least benefited from the crime. Like there's I found on
the Daily Mail, because the Daily Mail takes the classic approach,
like we check social media of the husband. So the
British tabloid and they found that they after scouring his
social media, the phony psychic's husband had been posting a
bunch just bragging on what he and his wife have
been able to do with this money they've So they

(47:26):
were a post of this married couple taking vacations paid
forward Niles money. They're at resorts. They got cocktails in hand.
They're like, look at Boujie.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Right, So we're looking for Michelle man Elizabeth always on
the lookout.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Oh my god. You know they were doing working twenty
four to seven. Sometimes she might have been at the resort.
You don't know. She could have been at sandals.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Could have been at a dolphin there, Chris spirit.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
It's not bound to the rules, we know.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Feeling.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
So one video, this is one video of the husband, right,
and he's laughing at the camera, just like, aha, this
is look at me, right, king of the world. He's
standing before a brand new Mercedes Sedan, the Silver Beauty.
He's wearing a new suit and his friend, he's got
friends all around him. They're all shouting. You can hear
it on camera. One friend says he became the man, right,
and another's like Bobby Evans is like quick to correct him.

(48:17):
He's like, I did it. I became a millionaire. I
did it. Kelly, Kelly did it. And that's when a
woman in the video shouts behind him, Kelly did it.
That's right, and her husband agrees, sure did So they're
given Kelly Christina all the credit, right, and he's the
one with the well yeah, with the Mercedes and the
millionaire status. Now, so he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't

(48:40):
catch any charges. So you see why I'm a little bothered. Yeah, Anyway, Meanwhile,
after doing eight months behind bars, the phony psychic gets
released back in court. She cries and promises to the
judge that I'm very sorry for what happened. Now, interestingly,
the court does not order her to pay restitution. I
was wondering now Bob Nygard felt that she should. He's
spin in a lot of his cases. He's like, there's
clear evidence of fraud and so forth, But because he's

(49:02):
slept with her, they're like, we don't know. So it's
just like who knows. The prosecutors don't push for it,
no restitution. So Bob and Iguard's like, well, look for
other victims I can tell you about him. The prosecutors like,
now we got justice, let's just move on, because once
again they don't want to keep busting psychics. It doesn't
make them look good as far as they're concerned. Meanwhile,
Nile Rice, he returns to England and to his mum. Yeah,

(49:23):
he admitted to the New York Times that he's been
drinking again. So oh, Yeah, he feels like he's a
bit of a broken man. He said, quote, I don't
know if I want to make money again. I'm scared
to Yeah. And his victim impact statement, Nile Rice said
of himself and others like him, that they often feel
this deep shame afterwards for being conned, like they're so
foolish and if they tell anyone, they're going to lower

(49:45):
themselves in that person's esteem. As he put it, quote
for those that do, like myself, they face instant criticism,
are judged as a sucker an idiot, all right, So
he's he's dealing with that now. A little update on
Christina and Nate, Kelly, Delmorrow and Bobby. While she was
in jail, her mother in law, Bobby Evans' mom, took
over the psychic shop before Christina was released from jail.

(50:07):
So in that eight month window, the mother in law
also gets busted. The victim stop it. It was a
young woman. She showed up to the storefront psychic shop,
drawn in by one of the flyers. Right, She's promised
answers to two questions for the low low price of
ten bucks. So she's like, I got ten bucks. So
of course this is just the beginning, the mother in
law tells the young woman, you're cursed. There's a dark spirit,
you know, And in fact, she tells her it's her

(50:28):
mother who cursed her and the curse was passed on
to her. Boom, boom boom, same story again. The psychic promises,
I can fix you and fix the dark spirit. So
and of course it'll come at a price. The psychic
tells a woman just go over to Dwayne Read the
drug store and pick up a three hundred dollars VISA
gift card. And once she comes back with that gift card,
the psychic mother in law we can get to work. Right.
So the woman comes back the next day to the

(50:50):
psychic storefront and the mother, the psychic mother in law
tells her that they need to get a decorative water
fountain to lift the curse. Not a time machine, a
decorative water.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Fountain to fountains of ways in jerseys.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Like, what do I mean by decorative water fountain or
water column?

Speaker 4 (51:05):
In this case, it's a water feature for the yard exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Imagine a forty nine inch tall column made of quote,
natural slate and copper that can instantly transform quote a
small selection of garden or office into a relax and
get away.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Sounds like something in Skymall exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
The cost three hundred ninety nine dollars thirty nine cents, okay,
which I'll have you know includes shipping and handling.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Oh it does.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
So the young woman, dutiful client that she is, she
buys the decorative water fountain and also shows back up
a two five hundred dollars gift cards. So that's fourteen
hundred dollars. She's sinking into this at this point. But
that's not all. The psychic mother in law tells her
she needs twenty three candles to perform the ritual. Remember,
candles are expensive, right, Elizabeth, how much you think I
mean when I say candles are expensive per candle.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
I don't know what is six hundred dollars per candle?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I don't know if that's expensive. You know, candle's better
than idea.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
That's pretty. That's the same time, it.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Seems like you're getting a big amount of candle. That's
not like a tapered I mean, there's I see it
in church kind.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
There's some I don't know that's that's very expense.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
This is a bridge of gold too far for this
young woman. She's like, I don't think so, so she
asked for her money back, and then the psychic mother
in law is like no, So that pisses off this
New York lady, so she calls Bob Niguard's psychic. He's
delighted by this client because she takes matters into her
own hands. Before he can even really get too involved,
she goes back to the psychic storefront. She walks right

(52:22):
in and she takes back the decorative water fountain. She
drags it outside. She gets like it. She says, she's
on the Manhattan Street. She hails down to passer by,
gives this person to help her drag it back to
her place, and then she eventually sends it back to
the water fountain maker and gets her money back. Oh,
thank goodness, and thanks to Bob Niguard. The n VIPD
went down to the psychic storefront arrested the psychic mother

(52:45):
in law. They're like, thanks again, Bob, So this is
the family affair. Yes, so missus Evans, the mother of
Bob gets busted. So when the New York Times stopped
by that same psychic storefront and found there was a
new psychic working the posts totally is led Zeppelins. The
song remains the same. Elizabeth Or as P. T. Barnum
would say, there's a sucker barn every minute, And I

(53:06):
would add, because we are all born suckers. You have
to learn not to trust the wrong people, because we
so want to believe the people who tell us exactly
what we want to hear. Especially that person is ourselves,
as in Nile's case, he was telling himself exactly what
he wanted to hear. Now, just like the mafia, these
storefront psychics are also a family business. I kind of
hinted at that before. Well it's Bob Nigarden puts it.

(53:29):
It's organized crime. That's how he sees it, right, because
it's a you know, it's a crime family and they're
doing organized crime. And as he had a fellow investigator,
Michael Barbuck, he told the Dallas Observer, let's say you
want to open up a psychic parlor, you would have
to go to whoever controls that area and ask permission.
They're very organized. You're part of the mafia, you get

(53:50):
you get jumped in essentially like okay, you're part of
this family, you're part of the genovisy or whatever the equivalent.
So this essentially my point is is I do feel
bad for the young girls who then get pressed into
becoming storefront psychics and then grow up in this life. Yeah,
but at the same time, you do have a choice.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Everyone is always a choice.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
And unfortunately this kind of goes for the victims. I
feel badly for them, but again, you do have a
choice everyone, So please look out for the stories that
you want to believe because it feels so good to
be true, it probably is very true. And yeah, and also,
as Bob Nuguard would put it, quote, if you think, well,
I'm just not that stupid, it's never gonna happen to me,
don't be so sure of that. No, exactly, it's not
too hard to trick yourself exactly. So el what's our

(54:31):
ridiculous takeaway here?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
It makes me think of you know, my mother always
has this thing that she says when she hears these
kind of things, the lies we tell ourselves totally, and
it's you have to constantly be checking yourself. Am I
lying to myself about the situation because I'm trying to
fit something into what I want? Yes, I find it fascinating,
like just how dead set this guy was on Michelle

(54:55):
and like, you know how predatory.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
It was, like facilitated, totally delusional.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
He's willing to swap spirits into a new woman's body.
We had no conversation about what happens to the spirit
of that woman.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
No, oh, no, forget it, that's not it.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I couldn't find any quotes about that. I was like,
what happens in this little Mampa Tuo brain scenario?

Speaker 4 (55:14):
She just goes off into the ether.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, we don't need her. I just I need the body.
I'm just gonna put the spirit I like in the
body I want and boom, boom boom.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
There's like little regard for actual people.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
You see why he can fall in love service.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Their fantasies and delusions. Saren, what is your ridiculous?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I feel so good to hear that from you.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Feel nice, you feel validated.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Well kind of piggybacking off what you said and your
your girl, Joan Diddyon. But we tell ourselves stories in
order to live. Well. You also can tell yourself stories
in order to, you know, to live, but not in
a way that's good for you. Just because you're telling
yourself a story doesn't mean you've got to be very
cautious and be very you know, in charge of the stories.
Be very hands on about the stories you're telling yourself.
Don't let other people get you going, and then tell

(55:55):
that story to yourself. And then also don't let yourself,
you know, spin you off into whole life. Oh I'm
this like who? I don't really know? Who?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Was times a lot about how people operate off of
imagined fears, and so this has a lot to do
with it. The fear of being alone and the fear
of missing.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
And now he finally got the power that he can
do it, so he'd be missing you not using that.
There's a lot of like, you know, fear.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I think basically again, I just need to have an
advice column.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
You do, I would say this, Be smart about your
choices and trust that you are lovable, Like maybe work
on your social skills a little, you know, but trust
that someone would love you. Be confident in that, and
in the meantime.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Love yourself exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Well, you in the mood for a talkback.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
I love talkbacks.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Oh my god, I.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Love get.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
Elizabeth. This is oz woman in Idaho. I am wondering,
how did you get Eddie Murphy on that last podcast
about uh the lady who was pretending to be the
singer and the uncle of Snoop Dogg. I'm just wondering,
how did you do that and how much did it
cost you? And did Rosie bite him?

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (57:13):
So much? Tea, so much tea, spill it, spill it.
Oh and Elizabeth have a ratchet good time.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Spirit.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
I will never divulge, this is true.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Ask her all the time.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
You know she's teething, She's not necessarily biting.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Okay, Yeah, we're doing a lot of diversion tactics and
Eddie Murphy was really good about that. He took a
toy diverted. I've shared too much, too much.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
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