October 6, 2022 • 48 mins
When a pastor went missing after giving a series of talks about the devil, everyone who knew him was certain Satanists were to blame. But what if the devil in this story was actually the little devil on that pastor's shoulder urging him to find a new life? Guess what...it was.
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Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hieron. Yeah,
what's up, Elizabeth Donton? How you doing girl? Pretty good?
Pretty good? You know it's ridiculous. Oh yes, I've just
heard about this thing. Have you ever tried to fight
a peck of pickled pipers? Like drunk fight? Yeah, like
drunk bagpipers? No. Well, in on Febuary there was these
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two cats Callum Graham and Alan gil Ruth. I'm saying
that because they're Scottish and Prounce her name. They're about
twenty five and they have been going to a Violentine's
Day wedding in Broxton, Scotland. How mu sure if you
know who that is. Anyway, afterwards they hit up with McDonald's,
McDonald's and McDonald's. This is, by the way, at three
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thirty in the morning. And the trouble was, I don't
know why they have McDonald's at three thirty in the morning.
That's why it's fun over there. So anyway, the trouble
was that two men they're dressed up as Highland pipers, right,
and they have their bagpipes with them and as I
told you, it's about four am in the morning and
go into the McDonald's. They're drunk, they're pipers. They have
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their bagpipes with them. Select do I think they do
a last? Did they strike up the flowers? Scotland is
just like violently reverberating throughout the whole place. They piped
up and then the other diners were like, I came
to McDonald's at four am just for my cheeseburger, not
for the music, lads. And then the pipers like, you
keep it down, so they started assaulting verbally the other diners.
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The diners getting mad, turn on them. Four drunk Scots
come over and try to attack the pipers. The pipers
they're down for it. They start swinging back and they
put down four guys. These two drunk pipers put down
four other men who were roughly about their same age,
and uh, the four guys who were all like, you know,
suddenly having a much worse time, they all get arrested.
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And UM, I just wanted to know, since you've been
to Scotland, what do you say at that point to
a drunk piper, like that's good, that is ridiculous, that's
very ridiculous, good job, thank you. Um you want to
know what else is ridiculous girl. I love ridiculous trying
to be two people at once. M hmm. This is
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Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists
and cons. It's always murder free and one ridiculous. Zaren, Elizabeth,
I want to talk to you today about Satan. Thank you.
I have been waiting for so long for you to
say that. Who just always like, Oh, I would like
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to talk about February. Oh, I'd like to talk about
spring flowers. Oh, I'd like to talk about baking doughes.
I'm like, yeah, what do you get to Satan? Satan
by the Shawn Wells recommended this story to us via email.
It's a solid, solid tip. So anyway, Satan Hale, Satan,
thank you, Sean. Let me start with this. Don Larrose
he was a minister at the first Baptist church in Maine,
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New York, Main New York. That's a city in New York,
not both mainamed in Main New York. Elizabeth October from Ohio, Pennsylvania.
Um LaRose. He gives these talks at his church about
the work of Satan. I hear they do. That is
they're always on about Satan and not long after that,
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he called the cops. Wait, Satan did uh? Don Learrose says,
I'm getting threatening letters and phone calls because of my
Satan talks talking about Satan. And then suddenly now he's
got Yeah. So the first letter he gets reads, Reverend
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Larrose for blasphemy against Satan. I condemn you to the
wrath of Lucifer, Son of the Morning, ruler of this
world and victor over all opposing forces. I have to say,
I have never thought of Lucifer or Satan whoever, as
the son of the Morning like I do sometime things
like a morning guy. I don't know. Maybe that's some
of the lingo and the you know. He gets another
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letter that says that his blood is required for a sacrifice.
It's like an invoid. So then two other pastors from
nearby Baptist churches, they start getting threatening letters and phone calls.
Look what happened when he started giving these Satan talks,
telling you speak the Devil's name, and look what happens.
November four, Don LeRose disappears. So he did. He tells
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his wife earlier that day that something odd was happening
like that you can feel it. Well, yeah, he gets
a phone call and it's telling him that one of
the congregants is having an operation, and so he has
to get to the hospital, okay for like spiritual sucker.
And he gets to the hospital and there's nothing on
the schedule, no operation. The devil played a trick on him. Yeah.
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Just after noon that day, the church's secretary, she sees
Don LaRose in the church parking lot as he's taking
his lunch break. I like to picture him like squatting
behind his car, really like why do you like him?
Let me finish, Let me finish, eating like a really
soggy tuna sandwich in a really animalistic way, like a
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like a raccoon or a squirrel. It's just in his
fast and he was forcing into his face. He was
just like a little tiny fingers graveling, shoving the tu Yeah.
So the church secretary looks like Don's having his lunching,
having his raccoon break, and that was the last time
anyone saw him. I didn't see back coming. That was
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on purpose. Um. He gets reported missing the next just
after midnight the next day on November Do they have
to wait the twenty four hours? Always sent? Cool? I
heard that doesn't Um, I'm just gonna start. I'm not
gonna wait forty eight hours anymore to report people missing.
Someone ten minutes late, I just call the police like
they're missing. So his wife Donlerose, not Sandwich. His wife
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was named dom Rose to his wife do a w
don and do no don? Okay, his wife Don's wife.
And then some of the people from the church. They're
going around to all the hospitals trying to find out,
like is he But the thing is they tell people
we went to the hospital's not because they thought was
he was injured? Is he there praying on people? Not praying?
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You're really messing with these hominys with today, creeping down
the hallway looking for an open door. He's like the
doors open. He's perched on top of the order comes in.
He's been talking about Satan too much, um, praying for people.
You know? Is he there? No, he's not. They go
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driving on all the back roads looking for his car.
Is the seventies maybe he got skyjacked? So um he
had was part of the way writing the last of
his Satan lectures, called Satan's First Assault on the Earthly Realm,
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that was half finished in his typewriter. So early the
morning of November six. The next day, please are just
kind of like poking around looking for stuff, just let
a little sticks. They find his ride. He has this
sweet ass ride in nineteen seventies station wagon panel on
the side, abandoned at a bus station in Binghamton, New York,
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which was nearby. So they find the car at a
bus station. His family is like, you know what, he's healthy.
We haven't noticed any changes in how he's behaving. There's
there are no issues at the church, issues at home,
so there's no money issues, and they're like running down
their checklist. He hardly had any life insurance. He had
just like a little policy other than Satan. He has
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no rivals, none, just Satan. Uh no debt. Says everything's happy.
The investigation they find no sign of like an affair
or anything. Um just got two kids love him. Neighbors
described him as quote the happiest man on the street.
That's always a tell, right, most of the people, right,
they're like, well, you know what, I know what happened
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Satan worshippers, Yeah, probably yeah. So for ten weeks, a
hundred and forty members of the church met and prayed
daily for his return. A hundred and forty people got
together every day every day from ten weeks so two
and a half months, hundred forty people met daily. How
much time that is, Yes, that's a lot. If I
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was like a contractor doing the man hours of like
this job, Yeah, I'm looking at a that's a deep investment. Um.
The church offered ten thousand dollar reward for information leading
to his safe return, but they'd only give you five
k if you could just tell him where the body was.
So that's the up it. You just got a pot
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for years half And then they also hired private investigator
how much for just a body part to prove he's
still around, But they didn't disclose that they hire some
private investigators. Let me let me back up and tell
you a little bit more about Don the Rose. So
he was born in Pennsylvania in Kentucky, Pennsylvania. He grew
up in the Lancaster Lancaster Lancaster, Pennsylvania area. He said
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his parents were both Pennsylvania Dutch and that as a
kid he spent a lot of Yeah exactly, he spent
a lot of time with the Pennsylvania Duchess kids. He
said that he had an accent. They do they have
that area has a nominal accent? Yeah, he had, he
wrote out like he you'll find later, he wrote out,
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and finally then I've us a little kid. This is
the vey my English come out, the translation when I
was a little kid. This is the way my English
come out. So he wrote out his access. He spoke
with an accent. So he went to the Moody Bible
School in Chicago, the Moody Blues Bible School. Um, and
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that's where he met his wife, Eunice, And he didn't graduate.
He left after three years before he finished, goes back
to Lancaster, works with an organization called Youth for Christ.
Sounds like a front group of up. Yeah, no, he
it's He then worked at Christian radio stations one in Indiana, Wisconsin,
Baltimore and bouncing around the Christian radio Okay, yeah, he's
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just like becomes like U in ight. He moves to Syracuse,
New York, and he helps start a Christian radio station
there and becomes a station manager. His life is like
pretty straightforward boring at this point. You know, comes from
this strong Family's got like a faith based career and
his faith is strong. I'm not one to buy into
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the whole Satanic panic thing. So it's unlikely that Satan
just got wind of his anti Satan servants and wanted revenge. Plus,
it's like if anyone's paying attention to this, like yeah,
and also from what I've known, and I've known a
couple of Satanist or like you know, that modern Church
of Satan where they're basically just you know, like I
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don't want to say it, like cantankerous types who just
want to be like right, well, they have this approach
to that I'm like when they describe Satanism, it's all
about like, you know, being able to do whatever you want,
people care what you're doing. They're they're really care there,
seem to be really focused on religious civil liberties and
being kind of like smugly intellectual about everything. So what
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happened to Don LeRose if we've ruled that out, Remember
when I said the church hired private investigators? Yes, well,
a year after he went missing mid January ninety six,
the church terminates its relationship with him and the prayer
meetings stopped. So they found him. Well, yeah, not quite.
The head deacon of the church said that their investigation
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showed that Larrose had planned his own disappearance. So those
threatening letters with the cut out words, right, those were
created with words cut from the trade magazine called Broadcasting,
and yes he was. One of the other words came
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from the first Baptist Church's newsletter. So he's just working
with what he knows. The people who show up on
this show because they get caught. I'm always like just
so tickled by, Like, look, you had this grand plan
and then you decided I'm just going to use the
closest available things. The only thing that's going to be
evidentiary exactly, no thoughts. Um, the letters and phone calls
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that he and the others got, those would arrive on Wednesdays,
and that's the day he taught his satan us. And
then I guess what happened after he disappeared. Um, satan
stuff stopped. Yeah, the letters in the call stop. Yeah.
And it was also discovered that earlier that year, LaRose
had purchased carry on luggage and cash some stock, taking
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a cash advance. He was likely carrying around forty hundred
bucks at the time you've been taking Portuguese lessons and
studying about Brazil, but that he had around a little
over twenty two dollars on him in Today's in Today's money,
Today's money, Zarin, Elizabeth, I want you to close your eyes, Okay,
I want you to picture it. You're not going to
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any stating stuff, are you. Maybe it's the middle of
February nine. You're a cool team captain of the football team.
You're hanging out Where are you laughing? I'm sorry on
You're hanging out at home one afternoon, listening to funky
tunes on the radio Plunk Railroad. You're flipping through the
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latest issue of your favorite magazine, Christianity Today. Oh, I
thought were gonna say, hot Rod that you. As you
pruse the articles, your eyes are drawn to a photo.
It's a picture of the congregation of the Plymouth Brethren Church.
I see and they're staring back at you. Is the
face of your missing pastor, Don le Rose, except he's
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captioned as a man named Bruce Williams that down the road.
You're pretty sure that it's Don don the Rose. You
scamper into the den and you alert your family. You
asked them if they think it's also the missing pastor
to look at this. Your mother gasps, your father lets
out along exhale. The man your whole family has been
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spending so much time and money searching for is right there,
miraculously delivered back to you to his loving flock. So
your parents they alert the other members of the church,
and those people contact the good people at Plymouth Brethren,
the wholesome Minnesotan's at Plymouth Brethren. They spring into action
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and they arranged for a reunion with lar Rose's wife
and his parents. So the only problem is that LaRose
claimed to not remember anything about his past life. The
people at the church really guess what we found out
who you really are. You can't do that. No, that's
like waking up a sleepwalker. Don't do that. So he claims,
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he's like, you know what, I woke up in a
box car in Minneapolis with a key in my pocket
and work that he just happened to fit a nearby building.
I woke up in a box car in Minneapolis. He
had a birth certificate for Bruce Williams on him and
because of that he was able to go get a
Social Security card. He said, my abductors gave it to me,
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and they're like, wait on, my abductors, this is the
first we're hearing about this. Bruce Kent Williams, he was
a guy from New York, from an area not far
from where Larrose was living in New York, Connecticut, Maine,
New York. Yeah, he was like a twenty year old
who died in a car accidentth certificate scale completely so.
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November twelfth, five before Larote, before he gets exposed LaRose,
he shows up at this Christian rescue mission in Minneapolis.
He agrees to join the Plymouth Brethren Church. He tells
the church members he doesn't know anything about the Bible.
This is what is this thing? This is so cool? Um.
He claims his parents had been killed in the car accident,
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and that his wife and children had left him because
he was an alcoholic. And then he told his landlady
that he was a salesman who worked with his father
and he was spending Christmas with his parents. He's just
telling stories. Church members. They get him a job as
a dishwasher in the church, and then his family shows up.
Right after this is all exposed, his family comes. Um,
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He's like, I have no idea who these people are.
Who are you again, I don't know? Yeah, their kids.
So they sent him to a psychiatric facility in Pennsylvania.
Case closed, Danne, thanks for listening now, um, So L
Rose and his family, they're trying to piece it together.
He's given truth serum, he claims, like sodium amatal um,
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and they said it's going to help him recover those memories.
But this to be a gap. He also told everyone
he was having shocked treatments get out. Yeah, but when
he gets his memory back, he's able to tell people
some stuff about his abduction. When we come back. I
don't believe he's just willing to endure this thing. When
we come back, I'll let you know what happened to
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Pastoral A. Rose. I'm on the edge of my seat,
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all right, Saron. When we left off, Don Lrose had
been rescued from his post abduction life in Minnesota. He's
piecing together these recovered memories. You know, he's like starting
to share his story a little bit. He claims that
on November four, six, that day that we saw him
eating the tuna, sang forcing his face like an angry raccoon,
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that a man came into his office at the church
and the guy asked Larrose to come visit a buddy
of his who was sick. Yes, sure, said innocent La Rose.
I love praying over people, my second favorite thing to do.
So they hop in l Rose's car and there's a
man with a gun in there waiting in his car. Yeah,
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in his own car. So the two men they tell
him to drive until he gets out of town, right,
and then they forced him into a van and so
um the van. They first take him to Chicago. They
went a little trip, little road trip. You need to
see the country. Here's a bag of corn, let's enjoy yourself.
Then they go to Minneapolis and they set him free
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like a little bird. Um. He said he was brainwashed
with an electric machine that was attached to his forehead.
What I know, I don't even know the movies he
must have watched throughout the fifties to come up with
this stuff. And then apparently they gave him a birth
certificate and a key to it was like a rehoming exercise,
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Like he's like an injured woodland creature. Wait a second,
he's Gerald the turkey. He's been tagged and put him
in a cardboard box, tipped him. Why did this happen?
What was the purpose of it all? Why would these
people kidnap him and then release him after doing the brainwashing.
I'm going to go with the reason is that they
don't exist. They're not real, and they're alive. Well, right,
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so he tells everyone the story makes no sense. Everyone's
just like, Oh, we're just so glad you're home. They don't,
they're not. They told themselves the story was true, and
then they just moved on. How how do you do that?
I don't I don't know either. So the family they
decided to move on. Literally, they in nineteen seventy seven,
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they moved to Hammond, Indiana. They just pull up stakes.
They first visited the town on their way back from Minneapolis,
and I guess they liked it, like, you know, we
should just live here, like really good snacks. In nineteen
seventy eight, he becomes the pastor of Hessville Baptist Church,
and when he's there, he's like talking totally openly about
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the kidnapping, and he talks about a few months of
his life that he spent as Bruce Kent Williams. He's
like he was delivered back to his family. Yeah, that
would make sense. He claims at the time that he
kept talking to police, like he kept trying to contact
law enforcement and asking them to investigate what happened. And
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he then said, well that I was told if I
called them again, I'd be arrested for filing a false complaint. So, Zaren,
are you buying this story? I'm actually trying to return
it to the store. Someone brought it over as a gift.
They left it here and I'm like, can I return this?
So what is this deal? It's has the worst lies
and he's playing everyone like they're idiots. Well, here's the thing.
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He amps up the drama, Laren, I have really bad
news for you. Don the rose done? Did it again? June?
He disappears again. Are you kidding me? He tells his wife. Listen,
I'm just gonna pop next door to the church. I
need to visit someone over there. No big you know,
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Except he never came back. He's like a sax player
in the depression. What is going on with this? Well, okay,
so the night before when he was giving a sermon.
This is according to the church congregation. He is giving
a sermon, he suddenly stops and looks up at the
back of the room. No one else sees anything, and
then later he said that he saw one of the
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Satanists through the window. So he's again with the Satanist thing.
Every time this boogeyman he's pulled. Everyone's like, oh, you know,
the state just like they don't they It's like a
shortcut where they stopped thinking. Right. So the congregation, they're
like concern when he doesn't show up for the regular
Monday morning meeting and they report him missing. And apparently
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he has been working on a quote yet to be
published book about the evils of Satan and that manuscript
was missing too. Zaron, this is like last time with
the letter. So Larrose later when he was married to
the same first is going through this again again. So
he later on he said that he was told he
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could either I don't know, I feel he's told that
he could either stay in Hammond and quote watch my
family die a painful death in front of my eyes,
or I could turn myself over to these people and
I would live what what? So he was worried that
the police wouldn't believe him that he was getting harassed
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by Satanist again very good reason. So he did what
any rational person who wants to protect his family would do.
He hired some Satanists. Now he went to a nearby town.
He bought a bicycle, put on a backpack, and rode away.
He biked his way out of this whole thing. I'm
just gonna wheel on a squeaky ring. In two thousand
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and seven, he told the press, quote, what happened in
nineteen eighty, Whether it was right or wrong, what I did,
I did it under threat for the safety of my
family and for our own survival. None of us would
probably be here today if I had not done that,
and there would be some bodies in some graves. Does
bank and tie his own shoes to just fell grow
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two thousand seven, Keep that date in mind. So he's
saying that, you know, look, I didn't have a choice.
He said that after he left Indiana, after we rode
out of Indiana his back. Now he moved from down
to town, he goes to Des Moines, Omaha, Denver. Cheyenne's
working odd jobs. Right. Um, he has a website, but
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we'll get to that. But the two the two thousand
two version of it, which isn't he's taken this part down.
But I guess earlier this year and March he was writing, quote,
I have delivered newspapers over a seventy three mile route
each day, worked as an investigator of workmen's camp fraud
cases and helped build the inside of Dollar General stores
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and do the initial stocking of the shelves, all while
operating my farm just outside Seligman, Missouri. None of this
is true, right, No? No? At one point, what is
he trying to get? He's not even like gaining a
lot from this. He gets like a bike in a
new lease on just gets out. At one point during
his journeys, he said that three men in suits approached
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him and asked if he'd seen the man in a
photo that they showed him, and it was a photo
of him, and he yeah, and he said he had
long hair and a long beard, so they didn't recognize him.
He's like, no, I don't know who that is, and
then wheeled on. Boy. So once again though he's he's
using Bruce Kent Williams identity. And so when he got
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brought back the first time, he kept the Social Security card. Um.
But now he's just going by Ken. You can call
me Ken. He goes to northwest Arkansas in the early eighties. Now,
remember that the real Bruce Kent Williams from a car accident. Yeah,
born in eight died in a car accident. Also killed
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in that accident was a young man named Donald Fergano.
Now apparently LaRose at one point also claimed to be
Donald Fergano. What is up with this car accident? Well,
I think he read about it in the paper probably
and was like, I'll just pull both. My name is Don.
He ordered both birthic so I got six seven going
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right now? He and then sometimes he claimed that he
worked as a salesman for the Donald Fergano company. We
have to start. Oh, I'm going to get business cards.
Need so starting around one LaRose slash Williams. He worked
for seven years at the radio station k A m
O and Rogers Arkansas. He does these long stints. Oh yeah.
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Then he moved to Centerton, Arkansas. And where's unite? Unis
is at home, like with a candle in the window,
just like I'll wait for you, honey. Um Centerton, Arkansas.
He moves there in the mid eighties. He told people
that he was a former chief executive from Chicago Advertig,
a huge Chicago advertising who just happens to relocate to
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this town of people. I got tired of the past life.
LaRose slash. Williams then gets married six he marries Patricia. Okay,
so let me clarify that's his second wife, will still
being married. I'm worried about un too. He worked at
a local radio station ku r M as a popular
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news anchor, K you r M. That's an unfortunate for me.
And he was a talk show host okay. He later
wrote advice to people on how to live best. I'm
sure he later wrote, quote, the most difficult question I
have been asked is why did I not contact my family.
I did try to keep up with where they were,
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even driving to Indiana and Pennsylvania on two separate occasions. However,
I feared making any contact, believing that there was always
the possibility that it might lead whoever was responsible for
my abduction in Maine, New York directly to me and
to them. I would want to be with my family.
I love them, I do, but I'm really worried that
this unnamed person no one has ever seen might harm them.
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And you have to Understandsion. Is he still sticking to
the abduction story? Not is he sticking to it, but
he is hinging everything. He's like, oh yeah, this is
I'm these are good decisions I'm making. He's arguing, unbelievable. Yeah,
this is the rational, believable choice. Unice declares him dead,
has him declared? Unice is like he left. I don't
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know where he is, he said to me. And then
she eventually remarried, moved on with her life. In lar
Rose as ken Williams, he went on this ten day
trip to Israel that he said, quote changed my life
and my entire way of understanding the Bible holds effects
like oh I saw the side seeing Bethlehem in my
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own eyes. Yeah, suddenly it was like, you know, the
angels saying two thousand one lar Rose as ken Williams,
he gets appointed mayor of Centerton, Arkansas population appointed. Why
was he appointed? I was curious about that. Well, I'm
glad you asked. Why did he get appointed Elizabeth Center
to his previous mayor, Mike Wakefield. He got busted for vandalism,
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public intoxication, and resisting arrest, and then he took a
plee deal and then he resigned. I wonder, well, I'll
tell you. I can tell you the whole long drama
with that. So Wakefield apparently was like the first mayor
of the town who wasn't part of the same extended
family that had been running things for that time. So
the first thing Wakefield did as mayor was changed the
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locks on City Hall because he wanted to take inventory
of the property before the Water and Sewer Commission removed
money or items that didn't belong to them. Yeah, so
the commission was formed only after Wakefield had defeated the
incumbent mayor, Sherman Kenyon, who was also related to some
of these commission members. So he's on his way out,
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He's like, all right, water and Sewer whatever, we'll call
you this, go in fix this. Wakefield claimed that, Um,
when he went in, like on his first day, he
goes into the office, there's a calendar. His first day
is January one, and they had written doomsday on that
on the calendar. So he changes the locks. The town
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council responds by changing the bocks again and barring him
from entering the building except for during business hours. Their
own mayor, the Water and Steward Council power is locking
city Hall from the mayor who has been appointed. Oh no,
he was the one who was elected, right, Yeah, he
was elected. So then Wakefield, like he kept firing the
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police chief and then yeah, and then city council, the
city council with then hiring back. It was like a
back and forth, back and forth. April two thousand, Wakefield
gets arrested for a d w I and then he
later pleads guilty to it. Oh he actually wasn't. And
then later that month that he played guilty. On Halloween night,
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he vandalized an opponent's campaign sign while drunk. I think
he was driven to drink by this. He allegedly spray
painted the word family on the sign for an alderman
who was running for re election, and then apparently yeah,
because they're all like in the same family, had all
the you know, extended family, his family family. You need
(31:04):
to work on your tag Yeah, that's his tagging name.
So he gets charged with criminal mischief, public intoxication, resisting arrest.
He pleads guilty um and resigns, and that paves the
way for Williams Uh later LaRose slash Williams. He gets
properly elected and then like reelected again and again. Okay,
(31:25):
so he's good at his job. The correct people like him. Yeah,
he's just he fits right in. He does what they
want until he bicycles away from town. Let's let's take
a break and chill out to some cool ads, and
then when we come back, I'm gonna let you know
how things went for old Mr Mayor. Thank you all right, Zaren?
(32:05):
What's going on? It's now two thousand seven. I need
to follow my taxes? Okay? Yeah? Don LaRose a k A.
Ken Williams. He's mayor of the boomtown of Centerton, Arkansas.
Did you know that Centerton is located in the quote
rapidly growing Northwest Arkansas Region and that region is also
known as the n w A region Northwest n w A.
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He's repp in the n w A in two thousand
and seven. One of Larose's family members thousand miles from
Centerton and running. It's just poking around online, tootln's researching
the LaRose family on the internet. And have I told
you how much I love genealogy slipping? Yeah you have.
And I've tried not to listen, but you keep branding.
(32:49):
I'm not going to stop. I'm relenting this another one time.
Like I can't get with the DNA testing. Have you
done the DNA testing? No? I can't, But I can
get with old documents, right, I like that and my
family's genealogy so on my mother's side and on my
father's side partially. So I have a pretty good sense
that I need to do the DNA because we had
a sense, right, I like the I like all the
old documents, and like they're constantly putting up new scans
(33:11):
and these things, so like you know, new things are
popping up. Um, but you know ship manifests and saying
asylum records that's my chance. Um, well there's some like
there's something that I want to look at, but I
actually have to go places in person to like archive
records like insane asylum records. I'm not kidding. So for
(33:35):
the lar Rose family member, though, all they had to
do is aggressive googling. You know, they discovered Don the
Rose dot com. It's not a super common name, right,
Don the Rose Williams, what are you doing to me? Man? Well,
you know, Don the Rose nowhere to be found in
real life. But there's a whole website about him because
(33:58):
they wanted to keep his influencing, not like an unsolved
mysteries thing where they're like, whatever happened to do? It's
his website. It's this man it's his website for his
books and his letters and stuff. So the family member
looks up who owns this website? Right, it's a guy
named Ken Williams in Arkansas. Yea. And they're like, well,
(34:19):
what other things is this Ken Williams own. Oh, he
owns ken Williams Ministries dot org. Guess what the guy
at the first time. But the two websites are like
identical except for different color schemes, but like the layout
is the same. It's amazing. He's totally lazy. So the
(34:40):
family members they call the local paper instead of the police.
They're like, we're just gonna get this. Actually the story
at this time, tell them about the discovery boom story
takes off, So they called the Benton County Record. They
pulled the most amazing Mike Wallace level journalistic bust on this,
and they're the radust. I love these, Okay. So November
(35:02):
two thousand seven, three reporters from the Benton County Daily
Record they confronted the man that they believed to be
Williams about the Rose connection. Right, initially, he denies it.
One of the reporters was Jennifer Turner. Quote, I said,
I believe you were Don the Rose turner said. She said,
she told him there's no way around it. We're going
(35:24):
to run a story. So she They put him on
the spot. Right, They knew they were onto something. They
keep investigating. He denies it. They pulled up old news reports,
they find photos. They stayed on the story. They go
back to his office the next day at the mayor's office.
But he has to show up certain places. They know
he's going to be at the city council meeting. They're
(35:45):
they're right there. They show him the evidence. They tell him,
all right, go online, type in Don the Rose dot com.
They make him open the website right there. He does it.
He looks at it. He's like, anything about this, It's
not me. And then that that evening he calls them
to the reporters. He calls him as like, come over
(36:06):
to my house. Let's talk. So the reporters are all right,
they show up at his house. He says, I am
Don the Rose, I am Ken Williams, I'm every woman.
I contain multitudes um. He said he told him everything,
but did he did not? So he he said that
he built Don the Rose dot com to bring attention
(36:29):
to his story and his case for the cops. Yeah,
for the cops. And then he told reporters that because
authorities hadn't believed him, his quote biggest frustration was that
the system did not work and actually worked against me.
He's the victim of all. So he said. He feared
that his confession might put his family in danger. Of course,
(36:53):
his second wife, Pat, she said she loved him and
she'd stand by him. She said, quote He'll always be ken,
So she's fine whatever, wait, okay, all right, yeah, so
um whatever, he's like, I'm ken, I'm don just deal
with it. November twenty one, two thousand seven, he confesses.
(37:14):
After the article comes out uh LaRose slash Williams, he
resigns as mayor of Centerton. He says he doesn't have
the credibility to do it anymore. His resignation letter he
signed with both of his names. I'm going to be
two people. He told papers though, that he wanted it.
He's going to stick in town. He's not going to
(37:35):
move quote maybe even serve on city boards, commissions or
in a volunteer position like he's loving this. His father,
Don's father still alive. Um was then living in a
senior home facility. He said he had no interest in
talking to his son, wanted nothing to do with him,
but then later changed his mind, and then the two
(37:56):
of them spoke on Thanksgiving that year. I have no
idea what they spoke about. LaRose slash. Williams also wanted
to see his two daughters. I hope they did not.
Unice was apparently quote embittered about the situation. I think
that's an understate. But he has a grandson that he
had never met and who said quote wasn't embarrassed by it,
(38:18):
and that you know, quote, I'd like to talk to him.
So he's got a grandson who's like, yeah, I'll give
crazy Grandpa. I mean, I have to give these people
a lot of credit for being so forgiving and a
living according to their faith because they are. Yeah. So
the grandson told the local Indiana press, quote, I don't
know if he's crazy or if he's lying to everybody
(38:39):
about this satanic attack and all these threats. I don't
know if he just didn't want to pay child support
and disappeared or what happened. So you got this chill grandson.
He's like, whatever, I'll hear about no word from the
daughters that like good riddens units is just Unice has
been through a lot, so she got a new man.
Even though LaRose slash william had been using a dead
(39:01):
man's Social Security number. Since he'd been contributing to Social Security,
he was still entitled to receive benefits when he retired.
He gets Ken Williams benefits and he gets the city pension.
Wait does he also get his own? Does he get
to ships? Probably? Yeah? Late two thousand seven, early two
(39:23):
thousand eight, he gets hired back by his former employer
k u r M KERM KERM Radio. Listen into KERM Radio.
Can they give him the five to seven am First
Hour and breakfast show slots? He gets the drive time slot?
Are you kidding me? Now? If you go to Ken
Williams Ministries dot org, which is still live, he says
(39:44):
he retired from KERM in what is he doing now?
I'll tell you getting ready to leave a wife. May
two thousand eight, he changed his name legally to Bruce
ken Williams was like, I've got more monogrammed robe. In
August of two tho he does get charged with second
degree forgery for fraudulently signing various documents quote including tax
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returns government documents and election documents between two thousand and
two thousand and eight using the name Bruce Kent. I
wonder if they can get him on that. That's a
serious that's like, you know, like if you're doing mail fraud,
like you'll get twenty years on some vote stuff. That's
so the charge was punishable up to ten years in prison,
and they waived his bail because he wasn't considered a
(40:28):
flight risk, although did they take his bike. So he
initially he pleads not guilty, but then he changes his
flea to guilty for fraudulently signing government documents with an
assumed name. And the prosecutor in the case said, quote,
we really don't know why he did this. He does.
His own attorney said, quote, in my almost twenty three
(40:51):
years of practice, this is one of the most unusual
cases I've ever handled. The thing that gets me is,
you know what the time we talked about these criminals,
and there's a clear thing they're trying to get or
to get away from, or too there is some gain
or some loss. In this case, there is nothing that
I can hear other than he just got away for
a moment. I mean, like bro you're thought of a
(41:12):
vacation and they have these things where you can get
away for your friend doesn't change his life. He just
goes and get repeat. Yeh. So he didn't have a
criminal history. So he gets sentenced to five years probation,
hundred hours of community service and in fine and costs.
(41:32):
So he asked, He's like, hey, can I do my
community service um in a park at a park in
Centerton And the city council is like, no, get out
of here, dude. They won't let him do it. So
he can request at like after five years probation, right,
he could ask to have his his record expunge because
he didn't have any priors. I don't know if that
ever happened, Like I said earlier though both so I
(41:59):
told you right. Ken William's website still active. The bio
um on the website for Ken Williams mentions nothing of
his life is don the Rose zero zero mentions, zero reference.
It's really weird, like he has a bio about what
he's done in his life. I'm just so confused and
(42:19):
what motivates behavior with a very little payoff. Yeah, he
does tell the story of his retirement. He said he
was putting a roof on his barn, and that he
was in pain like as he was working and kept
getting worse and worse, and then it didn't go away.
And they later discovered that he had an inoperable malignant
tumor on his spine. So he had radiation and that helped.
(42:41):
But they're like, you know, it's not going away, it's
still going to grow. So then some people from Colombia
came to his church and because there's a huge Hispanic
population at the church, and the lady prayed over him
and the tumor disappeared. That's what he said. That's what
he said. What did the doctor said? Web site says
he's still cancer for he said his doctor said he's
(43:02):
cancer free. All right, fine, I believe it. Whatever. But
there's also don LeRose dot com that's still active and
it's it's changed. You can look on the way back
machine and see earlier versions. And I thought you were
gonna say that the cancer tumor is like putting pressure
on his spine and making him weird, like some people
have tumors in their brains and the defensive humor changes
where I thought this was going Nope, No, he's just like, well,
(43:24):
the Lord took my tumor um. Don Le Rose website
still active. He says on there that he's an old
man and he needs donations for all the books that
he provides for free on his site. He's written all
these books and he puts them up there, and he's like,
if you like him, download him, but you gotta, you know,
give me a little donation, you know whatever, cash your
money order, um. And he has a Don L. Rose
(43:45):
email on address on there, and on the Ken Williams
there's a Ken Williams email dress. Did you write to them?
Send an email to email. I'm so scared, dear Don L.
Rose to send it to Kenny Williams. I'm Don Le
Rose to him. You're taking Don the Rose. Apparently he's
still out there living in the liminal space between two identities. Well,
I've got a new name for signing into hotels, Don
(44:08):
the Rose. What what is that? Your ridiculous takeaway? What's
your takeaway is faith is a hell of a drug.
In this regard, this man is just like apparently willing
to forgive himself all over the place. I have to
assume that's what allows him to do. This is like
he's willing to expunge his own record. Well it's not him, right, okay.
On his website, UM, here's what I think is interesting
(44:31):
about him. Um, he talks on his website. This is
on the Ken Williams like so he he talks on
his website a lot about love and sin and redemption.
He says he's going to explain the Bible thing. Yeah so,
in his life he kind of confesses to everything he did,
(44:51):
but not completely. It is obvious to everyone he was
not abducted. He won't let that go. He's maintaining that.
Yeah so, But on his website he mentions none of
this kind of stuff on this website, But his discourse
about love seems to be solely between an individual and God.
What do you mean, Well, there's there's nothing about your
(45:13):
love of God, and no mention about love for fellow
living things or doing good works for others. Nothing. And
the talk about redemption is only about making things right
with God, not other people. Let me read to you
from his website. Salvation is not like a pardon. A
pardon simply forgives you of the consequences of your deed.
God's salvation is much more than that. When God cleanses
(45:36):
you with the blood of the Lamb, your sin is
completely eradicated. Before God, you become as though you have
never sinned. You are made holy. That doesn't mean that
you will be perfect from that point on. It does
mean that you are now a member of God's family,
and as a member, you can come to your redeemer
and ask for forgiveness for those times and those things
which are short of the mark. A constant study of
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the Bible will help you understand more and more of
what God has for you individually. He does have a
plan for you, both now and an eternity. I think
I don't understand now. Finally, the issue he's mistaken God's
family for m Vin Diesel's family and fast and furious
where that He's going to forgive you and all can be.
You can live in this insane world, do whatever you
(46:18):
want and then everything's forgiven because family, family. Well, it
sounds an awful lot to me. Like he feels that
since he's gotten it right with God, everything is cool
exactly like that he made a vowed a unite and
they created human beings together. That doesn't he doesn't care,
I mean he has He's kind of yeah, but he
sticks with that whole. Do you think he stands to
(46:40):
get God's attention? Maybe, but he abandoned his entire family.
He is so cold. Yeah, so I think that's something
he maybe needs to take up with God. That's something
you gotta get right with that one. It's just such
a weird He's this pastor. He thinks he's directing people,
but this is this is a very toxic, ego driven
(47:00):
version of whatever he's got going on. There's not a
lot of Christian love. And I'm fairly certainly if Jesus
came back to Earth and he was like talking to
Don the Rows, He's like, look, man, I think you've
made some misunderstandings of my work. And then Don the
Rose slash Williams would be like, look a Satanist and
then haven't turned around. That's it. My mom will getting
(47:21):
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Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hieron. Yeah,
what's up, Elizabeth Donton? How you doing girl? Pretty good?
Pretty good? You know it's ridiculous. Oh yes, I've just
heard about this thing. Have you ever tried to fight
a peck of pickled pipers? Like drunk fight? Yeah, like
drunk bagpipers? No. Well, in on Febuary there was these
(00:21):
two cats Callum Graham and Alan gil Ruth. I'm saying
that because they're Scottish and Prounce her name. They're about
twenty five and they have been going to a Violentine's
Day wedding in Broxton, Scotland. How mu sure if you
know who that is. Anyway, afterwards they hit up with McDonald's,
McDonald's and McDonald's. This is, by the way, at three
(00:43):
thirty in the morning. And the trouble was, I don't
know why they have McDonald's at three thirty in the morning.
That's why it's fun over there. So anyway, the trouble
was that two men they're dressed up as Highland pipers, right,
and they have their bagpipes with them and as I
told you, it's about four am in the morning and
go into the McDonald's. They're drunk, they're pipers. They have
(01:03):
their bagpipes with them. Select do I think they do
a last? Did they strike up the flowers? Scotland is
just like violently reverberating throughout the whole place. They piped
up and then the other diners were like, I came
to McDonald's at four am just for my cheeseburger, not
for the music, lads. And then the pipers like, you
keep it down, so they started assaulting verbally the other diners.
(01:27):
The diners getting mad, turn on them. Four drunk Scots
come over and try to attack the pipers. The pipers
they're down for it. They start swinging back and they
put down four guys. These two drunk pipers put down
four other men who were roughly about their same age,
and uh, the four guys who were all like, you know,
suddenly having a much worse time, they all get arrested.
(01:49):
And UM, I just wanted to know, since you've been
to Scotland, what do you say at that point to
a drunk piper, like that's good, that is ridiculous, that's
very ridiculous, good job, thank you. Um you want to
know what else is ridiculous girl. I love ridiculous trying
to be two people at once. M hmm. This is
(02:32):
Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists
and cons. It's always murder free and one ridiculous. Zaren, Elizabeth,
I want to talk to you today about Satan. Thank you.
I have been waiting for so long for you to
say that. Who just always like, Oh, I would like
(02:52):
to talk about February. Oh, I'd like to talk about
spring flowers. Oh, I'd like to talk about baking doughes.
I'm like, yeah, what do you get to Satan? Satan
by the Shawn Wells recommended this story to us via email.
It's a solid, solid tip. So anyway, Satan Hale, Satan,
thank you, Sean. Let me start with this. Don Larrose
he was a minister at the first Baptist church in Maine,
(03:13):
New York, Main New York. That's a city in New York,
not both mainamed in Main New York. Elizabeth October from Ohio, Pennsylvania.
Um LaRose. He gives these talks at his church about
the work of Satan. I hear they do. That is
they're always on about Satan and not long after that,
(03:36):
he called the cops. Wait, Satan did uh? Don Learrose says,
I'm getting threatening letters and phone calls because of my
Satan talks talking about Satan. And then suddenly now he's
got Yeah. So the first letter he gets reads, Reverend
(03:56):
Larrose for blasphemy against Satan. I condemn you to the
wrath of Lucifer, Son of the Morning, ruler of this
world and victor over all opposing forces. I have to say,
I have never thought of Lucifer or Satan whoever, as
the son of the Morning like I do sometime things
like a morning guy. I don't know. Maybe that's some
of the lingo and the you know. He gets another
(04:17):
letter that says that his blood is required for a sacrifice.
It's like an invoid. So then two other pastors from
nearby Baptist churches, they start getting threatening letters and phone calls.
Look what happened when he started giving these Satan talks,
telling you speak the Devil's name, and look what happens.
November four, Don LeRose disappears. So he did. He tells
(04:43):
his wife earlier that day that something odd was happening
like that you can feel it. Well, yeah, he gets
a phone call and it's telling him that one of
the congregants is having an operation, and so he has
to get to the hospital, okay for like spiritual sucker.
And he gets to the hospital and there's nothing on
the schedule, no operation. The devil played a trick on him. Yeah.
(05:07):
Just after noon that day, the church's secretary, she sees
Don LaRose in the church parking lot as he's taking
his lunch break. I like to picture him like squatting
behind his car, really like why do you like him?
Let me finish, Let me finish, eating like a really
soggy tuna sandwich in a really animalistic way, like a
(05:29):
like a raccoon or a squirrel. It's just in his
fast and he was forcing into his face. He was
just like a little tiny fingers graveling, shoving the tu Yeah.
So the church secretary looks like Don's having his lunching,
having his raccoon break, and that was the last time
anyone saw him. I didn't see back coming. That was
(05:51):
on purpose. Um. He gets reported missing the next just
after midnight the next day on November Do they have
to wait the twenty four hours? Always sent? Cool? I
heard that doesn't Um, I'm just gonna start. I'm not
gonna wait forty eight hours anymore to report people missing.
Someone ten minutes late, I just call the police like
they're missing. So his wife Donlerose, not Sandwich. His wife
(06:16):
was named dom Rose to his wife do a w
don and do no don? Okay, his wife Don's wife.
And then some of the people from the church. They're
going around to all the hospitals trying to find out,
like is he But the thing is they tell people
we went to the hospital's not because they thought was
he was injured? Is he there praying on people? Not praying?
(06:41):
You're really messing with these hominys with today, creeping down
the hallway looking for an open door. He's like the
doors open. He's perched on top of the order comes in.
He's been talking about Satan too much, um, praying for people.
You know? Is he there? No, he's not. They go
(07:02):
driving on all the back roads looking for his car.
Is the seventies maybe he got skyjacked? So um he
had was part of the way writing the last of
his Satan lectures, called Satan's First Assault on the Earthly Realm,
(07:23):
that was half finished in his typewriter. So early the
morning of November six. The next day, please are just
kind of like poking around looking for stuff, just let
a little sticks. They find his ride. He has this
sweet ass ride in nineteen seventies station wagon panel on
the side, abandoned at a bus station in Binghamton, New York,
(07:47):
which was nearby. So they find the car at a
bus station. His family is like, you know what, he's healthy.
We haven't noticed any changes in how he's behaving. There's
there are no issues at the church, issues at home,
so there's no money issues, and they're like running down
their checklist. He hardly had any life insurance. He had
just like a little policy other than Satan. He has
(08:07):
no rivals, none, just Satan. Uh no debt. Says everything's happy.
The investigation they find no sign of like an affair
or anything. Um just got two kids love him. Neighbors
described him as quote the happiest man on the street.
That's always a tell, right, most of the people, right,
they're like, well, you know what, I know what happened
(08:29):
Satan worshippers, Yeah, probably yeah. So for ten weeks, a
hundred and forty members of the church met and prayed
daily for his return. A hundred and forty people got
together every day every day from ten weeks so two
and a half months, hundred forty people met daily. How
much time that is, Yes, that's a lot. If I
(08:52):
was like a contractor doing the man hours of like
this job, Yeah, I'm looking at a that's a deep investment. Um.
The church offered ten thousand dollar reward for information leading
to his safe return, but they'd only give you five
k if you could just tell him where the body was.
So that's the up it. You just got a pot
(09:13):
for years half And then they also hired private investigator
how much for just a body part to prove he's
still around, But they didn't disclose that they hire some
private investigators. Let me let me back up and tell
you a little bit more about Don the Rose. So
he was born in Pennsylvania in Kentucky, Pennsylvania. He grew
up in the Lancaster Lancaster Lancaster, Pennsylvania area. He said
(09:37):
his parents were both Pennsylvania Dutch and that as a
kid he spent a lot of Yeah exactly, he spent
a lot of time with the Pennsylvania Duchess kids. He
said that he had an accent. They do they have
that area has a nominal accent? Yeah, he had, he
wrote out like he you'll find later, he wrote out,
(09:58):
and finally then I've us a little kid. This is
the vey my English come out, the translation when I
was a little kid. This is the way my English
come out. So he wrote out his access. He spoke
with an accent. So he went to the Moody Bible
School in Chicago, the Moody Blues Bible School. Um, and
(10:22):
that's where he met his wife, Eunice, And he didn't graduate.
He left after three years before he finished, goes back
to Lancaster, works with an organization called Youth for Christ.
Sounds like a front group of up. Yeah, no, he
it's He then worked at Christian radio stations one in Indiana, Wisconsin,
Baltimore and bouncing around the Christian radio Okay, yeah, he's
(10:45):
just like becomes like U in ight. He moves to Syracuse,
New York, and he helps start a Christian radio station
there and becomes a station manager. His life is like
pretty straightforward boring at this point. You know, comes from
this strong Family's got like a faith based career and
his faith is strong. I'm not one to buy into
(11:08):
the whole Satanic panic thing. So it's unlikely that Satan
just got wind of his anti Satan servants and wanted revenge. Plus,
it's like if anyone's paying attention to this, like yeah,
and also from what I've known, and I've known a
couple of Satanist or like you know, that modern Church
of Satan where they're basically just you know, like I
(11:28):
don't want to say it, like cantankerous types who just
want to be like right, well, they have this approach
to that I'm like when they describe Satanism, it's all
about like, you know, being able to do whatever you want,
people care what you're doing. They're they're really care there,
seem to be really focused on religious civil liberties and
being kind of like smugly intellectual about everything. So what
(11:51):
happened to Don LeRose if we've ruled that out, Remember
when I said the church hired private investigators? Yes, well,
a year after he went missing mid January ninety six,
the church terminates its relationship with him and the prayer
meetings stopped. So they found him. Well, yeah, not quite.
The head deacon of the church said that their investigation
(12:12):
showed that Larrose had planned his own disappearance. So those
threatening letters with the cut out words, right, those were
created with words cut from the trade magazine called Broadcasting,
and yes he was. One of the other words came
(12:33):
from the first Baptist Church's newsletter. So he's just working
with what he knows. The people who show up on
this show because they get caught. I'm always like just
so tickled by, Like, look, you had this grand plan
and then you decided I'm just going to use the
closest available things. The only thing that's going to be
evidentiary exactly, no thoughts. Um, the letters and phone calls
(12:55):
that he and the others got, those would arrive on Wednesdays,
and that's the day he taught his satan us. And
then I guess what happened after he disappeared. Um, satan
stuff stopped. Yeah, the letters in the call stop. Yeah.
And it was also discovered that earlier that year, LaRose
had purchased carry on luggage and cash some stock, taking
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a cash advance. He was likely carrying around forty hundred
bucks at the time you've been taking Portuguese lessons and
studying about Brazil, but that he had around a little
over twenty two dollars on him in Today's in Today's money,
Today's money, Zarin, Elizabeth, I want you to close your eyes, Okay,
I want you to picture it. You're not going to
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any stating stuff, are you. Maybe it's the middle of
February nine. You're a cool team captain of the football team.
You're hanging out Where are you laughing? I'm sorry on
You're hanging out at home one afternoon, listening to funky
tunes on the radio Plunk Railroad. You're flipping through the
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latest issue of your favorite magazine, Christianity Today. Oh, I
thought were gonna say, hot Rod that you. As you
pruse the articles, your eyes are drawn to a photo.
It's a picture of the congregation of the Plymouth Brethren Church.
I see and they're staring back at you. Is the
face of your missing pastor, Don le Rose, except he's
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captioned as a man named Bruce Williams that down the road.
You're pretty sure that it's Don don the Rose. You
scamper into the den and you alert your family. You
asked them if they think it's also the missing pastor
to look at this. Your mother gasps, your father lets
out along exhale. The man your whole family has been
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spending so much time and money searching for is right there,
miraculously delivered back to you to his loving flock. So
your parents they alert the other members of the church,
and those people contact the good people at Plymouth Brethren,
the wholesome Minnesotan's at Plymouth Brethren. They spring into action
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and they arranged for a reunion with lar Rose's wife
and his parents. So the only problem is that LaRose
claimed to not remember anything about his past life. The
people at the church really guess what we found out
who you really are. You can't do that. No, that's
like waking up a sleepwalker. Don't do that. So he claims,
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he's like, you know what, I woke up in a
box car in Minneapolis with a key in my pocket
and work that he just happened to fit a nearby building.
I woke up in a box car in Minneapolis. He
had a birth certificate for Bruce Williams on him and
because of that he was able to go get a
Social Security card. He said, my abductors gave it to me,
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and they're like, wait on, my abductors, this is the
first we're hearing about this. Bruce Kent Williams, he was
a guy from New York, from an area not far
from where Larrose was living in New York, Connecticut, Maine,
New York. Yeah, he was like a twenty year old
who died in a car accidentth certificate scale completely so.
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November twelfth, five before Larote, before he gets exposed LaRose,
he shows up at this Christian rescue mission in Minneapolis.
He agrees to join the Plymouth Brethren Church. He tells
the church members he doesn't know anything about the Bible.
This is what is this thing? This is so cool? Um.
He claims his parents had been killed in the car accident,
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and that his wife and children had left him because
he was an alcoholic. And then he told his landlady
that he was a salesman who worked with his father
and he was spending Christmas with his parents. He's just
telling stories. Church members. They get him a job as
a dishwasher in the church, and then his family shows up.
Right after this is all exposed, his family comes. Um,
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He's like, I have no idea who these people are.
Who are you again, I don't know? Yeah, their kids.
So they sent him to a psychiatric facility in Pennsylvania.
Case closed, Danne, thanks for listening now, um, So L
Rose and his family, they're trying to piece it together.
He's given truth serum, he claims, like sodium amatal um,
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and they said it's going to help him recover those memories.
But this to be a gap. He also told everyone
he was having shocked treatments get out. Yeah, but when
he gets his memory back, he's able to tell people
some stuff about his abduction. When we come back. I
don't believe he's just willing to endure this thing. When
we come back, I'll let you know what happened to
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Pastoral A. Rose. I'm on the edge of my seat,
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all right, Saron. When we left off, Don Lrose had
been rescued from his post abduction life in Minnesota. He's
piecing together these recovered memories. You know, he's like starting
to share his story a little bit. He claims that
on November four, six, that day that we saw him
eating the tuna, sang forcing his face like an angry raccoon,
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that a man came into his office at the church
and the guy asked Larrose to come visit a buddy
of his who was sick. Yes, sure, said innocent La Rose.
I love praying over people, my second favorite thing to do.
So they hop in l Rose's car and there's a
man with a gun in there waiting in his car. Yeah,
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in his own car. So the two men they tell
him to drive until he gets out of town, right,
and then they forced him into a van and so
um the van. They first take him to Chicago. They
went a little trip, little road trip. You need to
see the country. Here's a bag of corn, let's enjoy yourself.
Then they go to Minneapolis and they set him free
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like a little bird. Um. He said he was brainwashed
with an electric machine that was attached to his forehead.
What I know, I don't even know the movies he
must have watched throughout the fifties to come up with
this stuff. And then apparently they gave him a birth
certificate and a key to it was like a rehoming exercise,
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Like he's like an injured woodland creature. Wait a second,
he's Gerald the turkey. He's been tagged and put him
in a cardboard box, tipped him. Why did this happen?
What was the purpose of it all? Why would these
people kidnap him and then release him after doing the brainwashing.
I'm going to go with the reason is that they
don't exist. They're not real, and they're alive. Well, right,
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so he tells everyone the story makes no sense. Everyone's
just like, Oh, we're just so glad you're home. They don't,
they're not. They told themselves the story was true, and
then they just moved on. How how do you do that?
I don't I don't know either. So the family they
decided to move on. Literally, they in nineteen seventy seven,
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they moved to Hammond, Indiana. They just pull up stakes.
They first visited the town on their way back from Minneapolis,
and I guess they liked it, like, you know, we
should just live here, like really good snacks. In nineteen
seventy eight, he becomes the pastor of Hessville Baptist Church,
and when he's there, he's like talking totally openly about
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the kidnapping, and he talks about a few months of
his life that he spent as Bruce Kent Williams. He's
like he was delivered back to his family. Yeah, that
would make sense. He claims at the time that he
kept talking to police, like he kept trying to contact
law enforcement and asking them to investigate what happened. And
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he then said, well that I was told if I
called them again, I'd be arrested for filing a false complaint. So, Zaren,
are you buying this story? I'm actually trying to return
it to the store. Someone brought it over as a gift.
They left it here and I'm like, can I return this?
So what is this deal? It's has the worst lies
and he's playing everyone like they're idiots. Well, here's the thing.
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He amps up the drama, Laren, I have really bad
news for you. Don the rose done? Did it again? June?
He disappears again. Are you kidding me? He tells his wife. Listen,
I'm just gonna pop next door to the church. I
need to visit someone over there. No big you know,
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Except he never came back. He's like a sax player
in the depression. What is going on with this? Well, okay,
so the night before when he was giving a sermon.
This is according to the church congregation. He is giving
a sermon, he suddenly stops and looks up at the
back of the room. No one else sees anything, and
then later he said that he saw one of the
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Satanists through the window. So he's again with the Satanist thing.
Every time this boogeyman he's pulled. Everyone's like, oh, you know,
the state just like they don't they It's like a
shortcut where they stopped thinking. Right. So the congregation, they're
like concern when he doesn't show up for the regular
Monday morning meeting and they report him missing. And apparently
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he has been working on a quote yet to be
published book about the evils of Satan and that manuscript
was missing too. Zaron, this is like last time with
the letter. So Larrose later when he was married to
the same first is going through this again again. So
he later on he said that he was told he
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could either I don't know, I feel he's told that
he could either stay in Hammond and quote watch my
family die a painful death in front of my eyes,
or I could turn myself over to these people and
I would live what what? So he was worried that
the police wouldn't believe him that he was getting harassed
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by Satanist again very good reason. So he did what
any rational person who wants to protect his family would do.
He hired some Satanists. Now he went to a nearby town.
He bought a bicycle, put on a backpack, and rode away.
He biked his way out of this whole thing. I'm
just gonna wheel on a squeaky ring. In two thousand
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and seven, he told the press, quote, what happened in
nineteen eighty, Whether it was right or wrong, what I did,
I did it under threat for the safety of my
family and for our own survival. None of us would
probably be here today if I had not done that,
and there would be some bodies in some graves. Does
bank and tie his own shoes to just fell grow
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two thousand seven, Keep that date in mind. So he's
saying that, you know, look, I didn't have a choice.
He said that after he left Indiana, after we rode
out of Indiana his back. Now he moved from down
to town, he goes to Des Moines, Omaha, Denver. Cheyenne's
working odd jobs. Right. Um, he has a website, but
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we'll get to that. But the two the two thousand
two version of it, which isn't he's taken this part down.
But I guess earlier this year and March he was writing, quote,
I have delivered newspapers over a seventy three mile route
each day, worked as an investigator of workmen's camp fraud
cases and helped build the inside of Dollar General stores
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and do the initial stocking of the shelves, all while
operating my farm just outside Seligman, Missouri. None of this
is true, right, No? No? At one point, what is
he trying to get? He's not even like gaining a
lot from this. He gets like a bike in a
new lease on just gets out. At one point during
his journeys, he said that three men in suits approached
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him and asked if he'd seen the man in a
photo that they showed him, and it was a photo
of him, and he yeah, and he said he had
long hair and a long beard, so they didn't recognize him.
He's like, no, I don't know who that is, and
then wheeled on. Boy. So once again though he's he's
using Bruce Kent Williams identity. And so when he got
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brought back the first time, he kept the Social Security card. Um.
But now he's just going by Ken. You can call
me Ken. He goes to northwest Arkansas in the early eighties. Now,
remember that the real Bruce Kent Williams from a car accident. Yeah,
born in eight died in a car accident. Also killed
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in that accident was a young man named Donald Fergano.
Now apparently LaRose at one point also claimed to be
Donald Fergano. What is up with this car accident? Well,
I think he read about it in the paper probably
and was like, I'll just pull both. My name is Don.
He ordered both birthic so I got six seven going
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right now? He and then sometimes he claimed that he
worked as a salesman for the Donald Fergano company. We
have to start. Oh, I'm going to get business cards.
Need so starting around one LaRose slash Williams. He worked
for seven years at the radio station k A m
O and Rogers Arkansas. He does these long stints. Oh yeah.
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Then he moved to Centerton, Arkansas. And where's unite? Unis
is at home, like with a candle in the window,
just like I'll wait for you, honey. Um Centerton, Arkansas.
He moves there in the mid eighties. He told people
that he was a former chief executive from Chicago Advertig,
a huge Chicago advertising who just happens to relocate to
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this town of people. I got tired of the past life.
LaRose slash. Williams then gets married six he marries Patricia. Okay,
so let me clarify that's his second wife, will still
being married. I'm worried about un too. He worked at
a local radio station ku r M as a popular
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news anchor, K you r M. That's an unfortunate for me.
And he was a talk show host okay. He later
wrote advice to people on how to live best. I'm
sure he later wrote, quote, the most difficult question I
have been asked is why did I not contact my family.
I did try to keep up with where they were,
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even driving to Indiana and Pennsylvania on two separate occasions. However,
I feared making any contact, believing that there was always
the possibility that it might lead whoever was responsible for
my abduction in Maine, New York directly to me and
to them. I would want to be with my family.
I love them, I do, but I'm really worried that
this unnamed person no one has ever seen might harm them.
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And you have to Understandsion. Is he still sticking to
the abduction story? Not is he sticking to it, but
he is hinging everything. He's like, oh yeah, this is
I'm these are good decisions I'm making. He's arguing, unbelievable. Yeah,
this is the rational, believable choice. Unice declares him dead,
has him declared? Unice is like he left. I don't
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know where he is, he said to me. And then
she eventually remarried, moved on with her life. In lar
Rose as ken Williams, he went on this ten day
trip to Israel that he said, quote changed my life
and my entire way of understanding the Bible holds effects
like oh I saw the side seeing Bethlehem in my
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own eyes. Yeah, suddenly it was like, you know, the
angels saying two thousand one lar Rose as ken Williams,
he gets appointed mayor of Centerton, Arkansas population appointed. Why
was he appointed? I was curious about that. Well, I'm
glad you asked. Why did he get appointed Elizabeth Center
to his previous mayor, Mike Wakefield. He got busted for vandalism,
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public intoxication, and resisting arrest, and then he took a
plee deal and then he resigned. I wonder, well, I'll
tell you. I can tell you the whole long drama
with that. So Wakefield apparently was like the first mayor
of the town who wasn't part of the same extended
family that had been running things for that time. So
the first thing Wakefield did as mayor was changed the
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locks on City Hall because he wanted to take inventory
of the property before the Water and Sewer Commission removed
money or items that didn't belong to them. Yeah, so
the commission was formed only after Wakefield had defeated the
incumbent mayor, Sherman Kenyon, who was also related to some
of these commission members. So he's on his way out,
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He's like, all right, water and Sewer whatever, we'll call
you this, go in fix this. Wakefield claimed that, Um,
when he went in, like on his first day, he
goes into the office, there's a calendar. His first day
is January one, and they had written doomsday on that
on the calendar. So he changes the locks. The town
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council responds by changing the bocks again and barring him
from entering the building except for during business hours. Their
own mayor, the Water and Steward Council power is locking
city Hall from the mayor who has been appointed. Oh no,
he was the one who was elected, right, Yeah, he
was elected. So then Wakefield, like he kept firing the
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police chief and then yeah, and then city council, the
city council with then hiring back. It was like a
back and forth, back and forth. April two thousand, Wakefield
gets arrested for a d w I and then he
later pleads guilty to it. Oh he actually wasn't. And
then later that month that he played guilty. On Halloween night,
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he vandalized an opponent's campaign sign while drunk. I think
he was driven to drink by this. He allegedly spray
painted the word family on the sign for an alderman
who was running for re election, and then apparently yeah,
because they're all like in the same family, had all
the you know, extended family, his family family. You need
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to work on your tag Yeah, that's his tagging name.
So he gets charged with criminal mischief, public intoxication, resisting arrest.
He pleads guilty um and resigns, and that paves the
way for Williams Uh later LaRose slash Williams. He gets
properly elected and then like reelected again and again. Okay,
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so he's good at his job. The correct people like him. Yeah,
he's just he fits right in. He does what they
want until he bicycles away from town. Let's let's take
a break and chill out to some cool ads, and
then when we come back, I'm gonna let you know
how things went for old Mr Mayor. Thank you all right, Zaren?
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What's going on? It's now two thousand seven. I need
to follow my taxes? Okay? Yeah? Don LaRose a k A.
Ken Williams. He's mayor of the boomtown of Centerton, Arkansas.
Did you know that Centerton is located in the quote
rapidly growing Northwest Arkansas Region and that region is also
known as the n w A region Northwest n w A.
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He's repp in the n w A in two thousand
and seven. One of Larose's family members thousand miles from
Centerton and running. It's just poking around online, tootln's researching
the LaRose family on the internet. And have I told
you how much I love genealogy slipping? Yeah you have.
And I've tried not to listen, but you keep branding.
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I'm not going to stop. I'm relenting this another one time.
Like I can't get with the DNA testing. Have you
done the DNA testing? No? I can't, But I can
get with old documents, right, I like that and my
family's genealogy so on my mother's side and on my
father's side partially. So I have a pretty good sense
that I need to do the DNA because we had
a sense, right, I like the I like all the
old documents, and like they're constantly putting up new scans
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and these things, so like you know, new things are
popping up. Um, but you know ship manifests and saying
asylum records that's my chance. Um, well there's some like
there's something that I want to look at, but I
actually have to go places in person to like archive
records like insane asylum records. I'm not kidding. So for
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the lar Rose family member, though, all they had to
do is aggressive googling. You know, they discovered Don the
Rose dot com. It's not a super common name, right,
Don the Rose Williams, what are you doing to me? Man? Well,
you know, Don the Rose nowhere to be found in
real life. But there's a whole website about him because
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they wanted to keep his influencing, not like an unsolved
mysteries thing where they're like, whatever happened to do? It's
his website. It's this man it's his website for his
books and his letters and stuff. So the family member
looks up who owns this website? Right, it's a guy
named Ken Williams in Arkansas. Yea. And they're like, well,
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what other things is this Ken Williams own. Oh, he
owns ken Williams Ministries dot org. Guess what the guy
at the first time. But the two websites are like
identical except for different color schemes, but like the layout
is the same. It's amazing. He's totally lazy. So the
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family members they call the local paper instead of the police.
They're like, we're just gonna get this. Actually the story
at this time, tell them about the discovery boom story
takes off, So they called the Benton County Record. They
pulled the most amazing Mike Wallace level journalistic bust on this,
and they're the radust. I love these, Okay. So November
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two thousand seven, three reporters from the Benton County Daily
Record they confronted the man that they believed to be
Williams about the Rose connection. Right, initially, he denies it.
One of the reporters was Jennifer Turner. Quote, I said,
I believe you were Don the Rose turner said. She said,
she told him there's no way around it. We're going
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to run a story. So she They put him on
the spot. Right, They knew they were onto something. They
keep investigating. He denies it. They pulled up old news reports,
they find photos. They stayed on the story. They go
back to his office the next day at the mayor's office.
But he has to show up certain places. They know
he's going to be at the city council meeting. They're
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they're right there. They show him the evidence. They tell him,
all right, go online, type in Don the Rose dot com.
They make him open the website right there. He does it.
He looks at it. He's like, anything about this, It's
not me. And then that that evening he calls them
to the reporters. He calls him as like, come over
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to my house. Let's talk. So the reporters are all right,
they show up at his house. He says, I am
Don the Rose, I am Ken Williams, I'm every woman.
I contain multitudes um. He said he told him everything,
but did he did not? So he he said that
he built Don the Rose dot com to bring attention
(36:29):
to his story and his case for the cops. Yeah,
for the cops. And then he told reporters that because
authorities hadn't believed him, his quote biggest frustration was that
the system did not work and actually worked against me.
He's the victim of all. So he said. He feared
that his confession might put his family in danger. Of course,
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his second wife, Pat, she said she loved him and
she'd stand by him. She said, quote He'll always be ken,
So she's fine whatever, wait, okay, all right, yeah, so
um whatever, he's like, I'm ken, I'm don just deal
with it. November twenty one, two thousand seven, he confesses.
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After the article comes out uh LaRose slash Williams, he
resigns as mayor of Centerton. He says he doesn't have
the credibility to do it anymore. His resignation letter he
signed with both of his names. I'm going to be
two people. He told papers though, that he wanted it.
He's going to stick in town. He's not going to
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move quote maybe even serve on city boards, commissions or
in a volunteer position like he's loving this. His father,
Don's father still alive. Um was then living in a
senior home facility. He said he had no interest in
talking to his son, wanted nothing to do with him,
but then later changed his mind, and then the two
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of them spoke on Thanksgiving that year. I have no
idea what they spoke about. LaRose slash. Williams also wanted
to see his two daughters. I hope they did not.
Unice was apparently quote embittered about the situation. I think
that's an understate. But he has a grandson that he
had never met and who said quote wasn't embarrassed by it,
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and that you know, quote, I'd like to talk to him.
So he's got a grandson who's like, yeah, I'll give
crazy Grandpa. I mean, I have to give these people
a lot of credit for being so forgiving and a
living according to their faith because they are. Yeah. So
the grandson told the local Indiana press, quote, I don't
know if he's crazy or if he's lying to everybody
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about this satanic attack and all these threats. I don't
know if he just didn't want to pay child support
and disappeared or what happened. So you got this chill grandson.
He's like, whatever, I'll hear about no word from the
daughters that like good riddens units is just Unice has
been through a lot, so she got a new man.
Even though LaRose slash william had been using a dead
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man's Social Security number. Since he'd been contributing to Social Security,
he was still entitled to receive benefits when he retired.
He gets Ken Williams benefits and he gets the city pension.
Wait does he also get his own? Does he get
to ships? Probably? Yeah? Late two thousand seven, early two
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thousand eight, he gets hired back by his former employer
k u r M KERM KERM Radio. Listen into KERM Radio.
Can they give him the five to seven am First
Hour and breakfast show slots? He gets the drive time slot?
Are you kidding me? Now? If you go to Ken
Williams Ministries dot org, which is still live, he says
(39:44):
he retired from KERM in what is he doing now?
I'll tell you getting ready to leave a wife. May
two thousand eight, he changed his name legally to Bruce
ken Williams was like, I've got more monogrammed robe. In
August of two tho he does get charged with second
degree forgery for fraudulently signing various documents quote including tax
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returns government documents and election documents between two thousand and
two thousand and eight using the name Bruce Kent. I
wonder if they can get him on that. That's a
serious that's like, you know, like if you're doing mail fraud,
like you'll get twenty years on some vote stuff. That's
so the charge was punishable up to ten years in prison,
and they waived his bail because he wasn't considered a
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flight risk, although did they take his bike. So he
initially he pleads not guilty, but then he changes his
flea to guilty for fraudulently signing government documents with an
assumed name. And the prosecutor in the case said, quote,
we really don't know why he did this. He does.
His own attorney said, quote, in my almost twenty three
(40:51):
years of practice, this is one of the most unusual
cases I've ever handled. The thing that gets me is,
you know what the time we talked about these criminals,
and there's a clear thing they're trying to get or
to get away from, or too there is some gain
or some loss. In this case, there is nothing that
I can hear other than he just got away for
a moment. I mean, like bro you're thought of a
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vacation and they have these things where you can get
away for your friend doesn't change his life. He just
goes and get repeat. Yeh. So he didn't have a
criminal history. So he gets sentenced to five years probation,
hundred hours of community service and in fine and costs.
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So he asked, He's like, hey, can I do my
community service um in a park at a park in
Centerton And the city council is like, no, get out
of here, dude. They won't let him do it. So
he can request at like after five years probation, right,
he could ask to have his his record expunge because
he didn't have any priors. I don't know if that
ever happened, Like I said earlier though both so I
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told you right. Ken William's website still active. The bio
um on the website for Ken Williams mentions nothing of
his life is don the Rose zero zero mentions, zero reference.
It's really weird, like he has a bio about what
he's done in his life. I'm just so confused and
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what motivates behavior with a very little payoff. Yeah, he
does tell the story of his retirement. He said he
was putting a roof on his barn, and that he
was in pain like as he was working and kept
getting worse and worse, and then it didn't go away.
And they later discovered that he had an inoperable malignant
tumor on his spine. So he had radiation and that helped.
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But they're like, you know, it's not going away, it's
still going to grow. So then some people from Colombia
came to his church and because there's a huge Hispanic
population at the church, and the lady prayed over him
and the tumor disappeared. That's what he said. That's what
he said. What did the doctor said? Web site says
he's still cancer for he said his doctor said he's
(43:02):
cancer free. All right, fine, I believe it. Whatever. But
there's also don LeRose dot com that's still active and
it's it's changed. You can look on the way back
machine and see earlier versions. And I thought you were
gonna say that the cancer tumor is like putting pressure
on his spine and making him weird, like some people
have tumors in their brains and the defensive humor changes
where I thought this was going Nope, No, he's just like, well,
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the Lord took my tumor um. Don Le Rose website
still active. He says on there that he's an old
man and he needs donations for all the books that
he provides for free on his site. He's written all
these books and he puts them up there, and he's like,
if you like him, download him, but you gotta, you know,
give me a little donation, you know whatever, cash your
money order, um. And he has a Don L. Rose
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email on address on there, and on the Ken Williams
there's a Ken Williams email dress. Did you write to them?
Send an email to email. I'm so scared, dear Don L.
Rose to send it to Kenny Williams. I'm Don Le
Rose to him. You're taking Don the Rose. Apparently he's
still out there living in the liminal space between two identities. Well,
I've got a new name for signing into hotels, Don
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the Rose. What what is that? Your ridiculous takeaway? What's
your takeaway is faith is a hell of a drug.
In this regard, this man is just like apparently willing
to forgive himself all over the place. I have to
assume that's what allows him to do. This is like
he's willing to expunge his own record. Well it's not him, right, okay.
On his website, UM, here's what I think is interesting
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about him. Um, he talks on his website. This is
on the Ken Williams like so he he talks on
his website a lot about love and sin and redemption.
He says he's going to explain the Bible thing. Yeah so,
in his life he kind of confesses to everything he did,
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but not completely. It is obvious to everyone he was
not abducted. He won't let that go. He's maintaining that.
Yeah so, But on his website he mentions none of
this kind of stuff on this website, But his discourse
about love seems to be solely between an individual and God.
What do you mean, Well, there's there's nothing about your
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love of God, and no mention about love for fellow
living things or doing good works for others. Nothing. And
the talk about redemption is only about making things right
with God, not other people. Let me read to you
from his website. Salvation is not like a pardon. A
pardon simply forgives you of the consequences of your deed.
God's salvation is much more than that. When God cleanses
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you with the blood of the Lamb, your sin is
completely eradicated. Before God, you become as though you have
never sinned. You are made holy. That doesn't mean that
you will be perfect from that point on. It does
mean that you are now a member of God's family,
and as a member, you can come to your redeemer
and ask for forgiveness for those times and those things
which are short of the mark. A constant study of
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the Bible will help you understand more and more of
what God has for you individually. He does have a
plan for you, both now and an eternity. I think
I don't understand now. Finally, the issue he's mistaken God's
family for m Vin Diesel's family and fast and furious
where that He's going to forgive you and all can be.
You can live in this insane world, do whatever you
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want and then everything's forgiven because family, family. Well, it
sounds an awful lot to me. Like he feels that
since he's gotten it right with God, everything is cool
exactly like that he made a vowed a unite and
they created human beings together. That doesn't he doesn't care,
I mean he has He's kind of yeah, but he
sticks with that whole. Do you think he stands to
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get God's attention? Maybe, but he abandoned his entire family.
He is so cold. Yeah, so I think that's something
he maybe needs to take up with God. That's something
you gotta get right with that one. It's just such
a weird He's this pastor. He thinks he's directing people,
but this is this is a very toxic, ego driven
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version of whatever he's got going on. There's not a
lot of Christian love. And I'm fairly certainly if Jesus
came back to Earth and he was like talking to
Don the Rows, He's like, look, man, I think you've
made some misunderstandings of my work. And then Don the
Rose slash Williams would be like, look a Satanist and
then haven't turned around. That's it. My mom will getting
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