September 30, 2025 • 48 mins
Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek.
This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Brother Hahz — A voice that has always stood for more than just music. Known for blending hip hop with faith, activism, and community empowerment, Brother Hahz brings a perspective that cuts deeper than the average industry conversation.
From his early days making a mark in the rap game to transitioning into a leader who uses his platform to inspire and uplift, Hahz embodies what it means to be truly ROC Solid.
The conversation dives into his journey through hip hop, the battles and blessings that shaped his path, and how his spirituality gave him both grounding and guidance. Bleek explores how Hahz balances artistry with accountability, and how he continues to use his voice to spark change, heal, and motivate the next generation.
With his unapologetic approach to truth-telling, Brother Hahz shares stories of struggle, triumph, and transformation that resonate far beyond the mic.
This episode isn’t just about music—it’s about purpose, resilience, and the power of staying authentic. Whether you’re a hip hop fan, a seeker of wisdom, or someone chasing clarity, Brother Hahz delivers nothing but substance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all. This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
at Drink Champs.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Big with this year Memphis. I'm back at it, niggas.
Notice the difference. Just pron present no stones.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Right back at you with another episode of Rock Solid.
Like I told you you see anybody on this podcast
on this platform. Number one name my brother number two
days solid than the motherfucker and to the left of me.
I got my brother from day one. You might not
know who he is, but to me, he's a fucking legend.
Been shutting down clubs with some of the greats, doing
(00:43):
things you wouldn't even imagine. Some of your greats right
now couldn't do it. And this is my brother, no
other that hides the ripper with something. Jim, how you
been my guy? Here?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm here, love man, good seeing you man, How you
been broken good? I know.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
First of all, I just want to thank you for this.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
This is great.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
This is great, man for showing me love what you
did on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No man, it was Doe man, Like yeah, they asked
me you know a simple question. Who did I feel
didn't get an album or get to just do that
he needed?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And I'm like, man, my god, hiss, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Like you know what I'm saying, because Bro, from the beginning,
I seen you do nothing but shut shit down. At
how I met you, I met you after the fact,
because you don't even know this. I got introduced to
you by basically Damn.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
They're having the hate on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You because that has because I went Hollywood after reasonable
doubt and they clipped me, left me in the project.
That's when Jay did the Biggie tour, went on the
tour with Puffing Up, and you went on.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Tour with them.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
No, I wasn't on that tour, but you did a
couple of spot dates I think with them.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I remember when the spot dates with Jay, but it
wasn't on that tour.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Because when I saw you, I think we was at
a Jersey stop. He came to a show and you
came out and I'm like, what fuck is this guy?
And they like, that's the new artist he on tour with.
Wait a minute, they trying to clip me, Like what?
So that's how I thought it was like they trying
to replace me.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
My guy just was there putting that work in and
I had to respect it, bro, because, like I said,
my first time seeing you, bro, you went out there,
no beat, no nothing, and spend some of the ill
this ship had the crowd going crazy and.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I'm like, sir, the fuck is this guy? So how
was that for you on to come up? Bro? Man?
It was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Shout out to Jay Z for allow me.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That platform, put me on his platform like that, and
a lot of people were thinking, like and I want
to set to reconstrate to everybody. Jay never let me
open up for him. Jay brought me out in the
middle of his set. Yes, yes, every show he would
bring me out in the middle of his set.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
He never likes that. Go through your thing and then
I'm gonna go on.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
He like prepped the crowd like, yo, I got my
man coming out, blah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Blah blah, hostile ripper or whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And it was we had some great great so many
great great experience. I can't even can't even like go
down the line and how many like shows.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That was just out of this world man, it was.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
But the first time Jay put me on, I was
telling some of my followers back back home. I was
telling him how you know, the first time Jay called
me out to perform, we was at Yukon and I frozel,
I I froze. I'll never forget yo. Jay had the
white T shirt around his head. You had the orange
guggles on, had to cut off sleeve T shirt I think,
(03:38):
and he was just doing this thing and I didn't
expect him to call me. I was just going rolling,
you know what I mean, rolling with him and the
show to the show, and he was like, he said,
how's the ripper? And I promised you I froze my nigga.
I got the mic, like, what the hell I'm gonna do, Like,
got on stage and moved over my rhymes, and him
(04:02):
and Dame like rolled me the whole ride back. They
was clowning me the whole ride back. But a couple
of nights later we went to Millersville, Pennsylvania to do
a show and actually Jay was finished with his set.
I didn't think he was gonna call me again. And
as they was walking off the stage, Dang was like, no,
how to rip in the night. And that's when Jay
(04:23):
was like, yeall ready for us?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
To go. He's crowd was like no, no, no, he said,
all right, well I'm pret my man to rip.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Out and Blake I destroyd I know, I know it
was it was. It was to the point that the
crowd asked for encore for me to come back on stage.
No way, God is my witness. It was that crazy.
So we had some great experiences man, that he took
me to. That's when he told me, like, you could
you earned yourself a spot on the roll and took
me to Europe.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh damn. Yeah, that's when he was really bad. Yeah,
that's where I got left. It wasn't it was, yeah,
it was zero. That's dope, man.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But how did how did you even come into meeting Jada?
He even knowing, like, Yo, this guy's ill, I could
bring him on my show, Like what was that interaction?
So what happened was it was Clark Man, rest in
peace to Clark k Man.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It was Clark Kent. Clark Kent.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
We was working through him with this girl lady named
Gabrielle Smith. She used to work for job back in
the day, and she introduced us to Clark.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And that's when I was with.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
A group called Hardware and Clarke was working with us,
doing us, doing beats for us and everything, working with us,
and he that's when he first introduced Jake because I
felt like I was ain't.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Nobody in the world better than me? Right right? That's
how it felt like nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And Clark was like, Yo, I got this dude, He's
the Jesus Christ a rap. He was talking about Jado.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, like I know if I've never heard him call
him that, Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
What you call him? What's his name?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What's the guy from Virginia, the rapper name. I can't
think of his name, but the rapper from Virginia had
told a story about Clark and he said the same
exact thing. That's how I know Clark say that. He
said Jay was the Jesus Christ of rat just like
that niggat better than me. And then he played us
some j records and I was like, wait, this niggas incredible,
(06:09):
So yo, I never forget. He's like he did that
rhyme about when he had all the rappers in it,
remember that song bleak No, He's like he never made
it out, but it was I think it was like
it was like a demo demo joy if you read
from your EP, you're gonna need an m D. So
you got to chill because I chill that will like
solid waters chilling, will.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Ice cube something. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
He always had somehow so that so that was that's
what that was my introduction to who jay Z was.
And then we had a show at what was it
called Down Down Jack Jacob Javisoner and Jay was there
and he saw us perform live and he was like, yo,
them kids, it's incredible. So that's how that's how my
(06:50):
introduction that j was. That's when I met Jake. My
first interaction meeting j was at to Jacob Javison Wow,
and he was with a group. What happened in that hardware?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah? They doing it. They came back I don't know.
You know who came back is k Mack. He had
the Coyler Ray.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
He used to manage, Yeah, he managed Corla Ray and
now he got this thing. And he got the girl,
the bunny girl. I can't think of her name. I
can't think her name, but he got her. He got her.
Now some girl that's doing really good. She's doing really
good with her her songs now. So k Mak Grill
really doing his days he was with Missy and everything.
Shout out to k Mac, Yeah, he doing his thing heavy.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
How did how did you come up with the name?
Hois the Ripper? I always wonder, Yo, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Shout out to KG from Noughty by nature, big shout
out from Nordy by nature.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Gave me that name? No way? Yes he did, Yes
he did, because I had a rhym and I was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I was mc hawes at the time, and I said,
not Jack, how's the ripper?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
How's the flipper? The lyrical pick some junk? Right?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And he took that, not Jack, how's the Ripper? Because
you know I used to say Jack the ripper, so
he took the one. And when I said it in
the rhyme, he said, how's the ripper? He started calling
me that. He started only that, only that, and it's stuck.
And I said, that's my name. That's gonna be my
name because it signified who I was, Like rich sages,
I ripped microphones, So that was that's how.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
It's only a few a handful of MC's.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You meet around the world that got ripper in They
name as EMCs, and I ain't gonna lie all of
them are legends, like it's another guy who passed away
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What Mike the Ripper, right, Mike Ripper, Well he was.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They talk about how ill crazy he was, and when
I when I first heard about him, I'm saying to myself, Yeah,
y'all need to meet my man, highest Ripper. God bless
Mike Ripper. You would have smoked. But yo, So what
was the moment you knew.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
As a lyricist like these niggas can't fuck with me? Man?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
High school? I mean since high school.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think I was was confident and very strong about
the level of uh talent I had as a as
a lyricist. I knew from high school that I was
gonna be something serious the best with from there. I
never lost a talent show. I never lost a talent show.
That's that's ill.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I remember. I did a few talent shows. I never won.
I never won one. I came in second place once
and third ones.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I definitely never came in first because that's where niggas
used to be dancing on the bill too, right, right right,
I ain't have no skills like that, so I ain't
never went one.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But as far as the rat, oh yeah, I came
in first and that. But there you go. It was
the skill chide right, right. I I only hit the
free throw.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I had the head, I had no hand, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Man, So from high school is when I knew man,
and it just I just kept at it and I
just you know, state state state, stay right, and stay
right and stay right. No very hungry back then. You
know you're young.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You just go hard. And then you know, I got
with Noughty by Nature.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Back then and tour with them first, and you know,
you know, story goes on.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Man, whatever happened with the situation with Rockefeller? Like why
you never put out an album or a single or
like you know it?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Somebody put under the comments uh on your post about
from the from the Breakfast club thing, a lot of
people said a whole bunch of positive stuff and this
this comment wasn't even bad.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It was just like constructive, constructive criticism.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I like, yeah, dude was like his problem was he
didn't know how to make songs. He could wrap his
behind off, but he didn't know how to make songs
back then. And I remember like hip hop and you know,
they always liked they was like they was they had
a tough Yeah, they had a little like issue with
me as far as making songs. So that's probably why
(11:02):
I never put out an album. We never literally signed
the contract. They never literally signed me.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
To a contract, never saying you touched the stage with
or the little couple shows with him and you went
on God damn man, I was just roll. I was
ready to cheat cold I had. I don't think I
was signed. He didn't have no label when we first
started doing coming age. It wasn't until it's all right,
but yeah, that ink was.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Dry, right.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
So that's that's that's why I never put an album out,
because for one, I wasn't never really signed, but I
think I was like more hungry, and they was like
pushing more of the patient method with me, trying to
put me to the back burner for a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Now excuse me. I was young, and I was young
and hungry. Man. I was ready to roll, ready to rock.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, and they was like not ready for that at
that moment.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So they they put.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You with one of the toughest A and rs though
man hip hop.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah out to hip hop too, because I heard you
shout me out on him. Another podcast hip hop was
tough man hip hop.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Never he never gave me a beat. He called me
in for a verse on somebody else. Shit, But he
ain't never come in my session and give me a
beat like your beak.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think this beat for you, like I don't think him. Nah.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
He wasn't checking for that. He was he was stayed
property Hove. You know, he was mainly ho and all Lenny.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's really who came through on my sessions, Lynda, just
like that was it. Then it was hurdu from there
like that's crazy man. Like, So I know you said,
I got confused because I thought you was into the
ministry thing like he not a pastor.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Y'all right, players, fuck up? I fucked up, all right, players,
fucked up? Right.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He don't got a church. He just talked in the churches.
So to me, he got a church. So we ain't
fuck up on that bar. Because if you ever see
me grab the mic in the church, believe me, I'm
gonna tell you that was my church.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
The only person gonna normline is the pastor and Jesus
Christ himself. Okay, but how did you make that transition
from you know, from doing the rap that we was
doing to you said you got into the gospel.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Right, So yeah, I'm a gospel recording artist, brother HAIs.
I got six albums out right now. I started this
twenty years ago, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
What happened was.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I was actually about to get a solo deal with
I had a couple of meets.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
With Depth Jam.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't know who the other it was two labels, though,
I had two deals on the table. But what happened
was September nineteenth. Never forget the date, two thousand and three.
You know I got hitting the drive by.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Shooting no way, no, hell no, I ain't know that
what they.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Have blake, I got shot bro no way, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Man, maybe for you or just onlace wrong time.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I was actually on my lunch break at work. No
what damn, that's crazy. I had just put a mixtape out.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The whole hood was going crazy over the mix tape,
and I walked to the corner on my break and
all these niggas from the hood, from from Townhouses and
North they like, yo, hose blah blah blah, Yo that
mixed tap crazy blah blah blah. When you so talking
to all the music stuff so I'm sitting there kicking
it with him, and then I uh, I said, yo,
(14:37):
I got we gotta get back to my coworker, cause
we walked down there together, like we gotta get back
to the building.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Man. He's like all right.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And while we when we went across the street, car
turned the corner and I heard this real deep sound boom,
but it sounded like a tire blue. It ain't sound
like a gunshot to me. I was like, damn, somebody
tire blue. And then let's start.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Hearing boom boom, and I said, oh, it's not they shooting.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So everybody scattered and I became the only one bleak
walking running like running down the street.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's like a scene from a movie.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I'm running down the street going the same way the
car was driving, not a all the shots is being
shot at me, cause everybody else done scattered up.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So they liked baa baga, just shooting at me.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And then I dove and only thing I remember is
like it was like in slow motion.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I looked up.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
All I saw was the gun sticking out the window,
and they roe I couldn't even tell you what kind
of car it was, dann and I got up and
I start blacking on the cats from the hood toy
like yo, yeah, niggas in the beef, y' ain't tell.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Me word up? What the freak y'all doing Like I
started blacking on me. It's like you guys like y'o
with my man Lee roy At, that was my co worker.
I say, where Leeve roy At?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I'm mona bugging out thinking something happened to him. Then
he come running up the streets like, yo, mam, I.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Used to hide you. I said, yeah, I'm good man.
I say, yeah, nigga, don't no.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Not do like this and not tap and I tapped
my hand and my whole left hands filled with blood.
This fucked my shirt like n something like this, something
like the rockside, but had like a split in my
chest like this.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No w dang, no exaggeration, no cap damn.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And yeah, man, I was shot. I was conscious, but
I was shot. I sat there waiting for the ambulance.
They took too long. Told my man go get his car,
took me to the to the hospital and yeah, I
made it, thank god. The bullet went in and out.
I was alright, But the crazy thing bleak. This is
what made the transition for me to re rethink the
(16:32):
direction I was going with my music. Somebody else had
got shot that same night and was in the room
next to me, had got shot in the chest as
well and died MM and a doctor came in and
told me, and that's when I was like Wow. I
just broke down crying right there in the hospital room.
And then you know, I went home and just kind
of like, you know, was w was reflecting all my life, like, man, God,
(16:53):
what is you trying to tell me? Cause I always
been a believer in God. Man, I've been in I've
been in church since I was a kid, So I
always believed in God. So I just had an epiphany
moment at a at a kids at a high school
talent show. Actually I was booked as the special guest
and I performed this positive record and like a whole
(17:13):
row of girls was just boohoo crying him out in
the middle of my performance.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I had no clue.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They came backstage after the show said Yo, that song
touchedes so much, and I said, this is it, This
is it. So I said, I'm not doing regular rapping.
I'm gonna start doing positive music. And you know, glorifying
God from here on out. That's how that's how it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
See God blessed that you still here. Word.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But that's how I had to disconnect because I see
you at the churches performing sometimes speeching, doing the speeches,
but then you changed your name the brother hides, So
it was.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like, yeah, my guy got it. He and he and
he all the way ur going love.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But the gospel rap like how you feel Like, what's
the difference you feel is going to the studio to
do that opposed to how what's going to the studio
just to talk, you know, the ignorance we talk. It's
more it's more strategically done because you're dealing with souls, yes,
(18:15):
and you have people that's going through stuff in life,
and you have to be very sensitive to that.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So when I'm writing and when I'm coming up with
different concepts or God has given me dropping different types
of songs to create, I'm very sensitive and very like
strategic with the writing and just being very careful to
make sure that I'm I'm I'm giving people hope, I'm
being a voice for for whatever they're dealing with and know.
So that's that's my that's my angle on how I
(18:45):
go about the writing.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I was like, you you basically answer my next question,
cause I was gonna say, what's the almost the same question,
but like what's the it's do you think it's a
difference of like how artists today we come up in
the industry and you know, the first thing they think, y'all,
I gotta get the bag. I got to get to
the bag. But doing what you're doing, it's all about purpose.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
There you go. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So there you go, Like, there you go, how did
you how did you separate the two because a lot
of people out here don't even know what they purpose is.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
They just think their purpose is to get money. You
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I mean, I think what happened for me is like
once once God spared me, like because the bullet missed
my heart by two inches, bro Like literally though in
my and my and the generational curse was broken in
my life because my father was shot in the chest
and died.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's how my father died.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And I got shot in the chest and the bullet
missed my heart by two inches. So at that moment
God kept me. I knew he had kept me for
a reason.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That's right, you know what I mean. So that's that's
that's how that went, man, That's that's what's upping. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You inspired a whole generation of artists when it comes
down to freestyling.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Now with your word all of that, Man.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What do you think the culture is missing when it
comes down to you know, not everybody. You know, everybody
defines living right in their own way. Everybody thought of righteous,
it's not it's everybody. What do you think how can
we you think fit that into the culture to where
(20:20):
these kids, Because these kids need something to believe.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
You gotta speak their language, man, you gotta speak it,
speak their language, and you got to dig into the
root of where they're having these issues from these a
lot of these kids are traumatized from their upbringings to
you know, with their parents, things that happen to them
and as as children that they still live with that
they haven't faced. A lot of kids don't go to
(20:44):
therapy to that, you know, and communication.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
A lot of kids don't talk.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
They hold a lot of stuff in and they wait
for situations that happen to their life to just burst
out into all these different you know, different emotions you know.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So I think you just have to, you know, with
from that angle, you gotta really dig into the root
of what's going on with these kids, man, and talk
and talk about the issues that they're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, definitely, man.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I think it's like I always say, everybody have a gift.
Just have to find out what it is and find out.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
How to use it. That's facts, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So, like, when you're out and you're doing these speeches,
do you do you do speeches at schools or just that.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I mostly like to performances and I'll speak in between
the songs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I like, i'll talk.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I'll give the the reason behind this song or why
it was written or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But I really just talk through my through my songs. Man.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
When I perform the high schools and everything, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What you what you would say?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Your main message is that you want the people because
it's adults, children, everything there, and what you want them
to walk away with.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
The message like, get a relationship with God. Get really
whoever your God is, My God is Jesus Christ. I'm
not knocking nobody's religion, but get a relationship with God.
Cause a lot of people feel they don't have nobody
who they feel I love them. So if you know
you believe in God, to have a God that you love,
that you know, and that know that loves you.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You'll be all right. Man, You'll be all right.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You have someone to go to talk to. See man,
you should be a pastor. MANI me in church to
go to man. I got to know the pastor.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
These pastors now where Jordan's I know they're right. I said, listen,
none of us is perfect bleak, but you can't have
We're all trying to walk right. Listen, you cannot be
is heavy out here man, James, Like, come on, I
can't even say that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You can't blieve it. Don't say it. It's just you
know you can't.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Like, where's the formality of how you dress for child?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So I wouldn't tell me.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The Bible says nowhere, please do not be you not
conformed to Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So the next speech, I want to see you in
the FEELI of lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You. So I just performed yesterday and I had I had.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
On jor, I had on on jeans, and I had
on joys. Even if you not a pastor, I'm not,
but I was giving the word through. Man, I love
what you're doing. Mess, what's up yo? At any moment,
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anytime in this journey that we've been on in life,
do you think it's a moment you ever felt like
you wanted to give up?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Like that music in total.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Man, that I don't even want to go down that route.
That's that's an emotional bro, That's that's an emotional.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Role to go down.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But yeah, blak, I really have, Like I really a
lot of times I felt like I felt like I
gave up on myself.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I dealt with rejection a lot. I went through depression.
I felt like I was in my own way.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It was a lot of things that I went through.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That that so many emotional roller coasters that I went down, Man,
because of different seasons of my life feeling like this
should be me.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You know, this should be me. I should be here,
I should.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Be there because the gift never never subsided, like it
never weakened, Like it just got stronger. Like I still
was top tier in every aspect of my gift.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Like I can perform.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
At a club on Saturday and do a hostel ripper
record and have a crowd, go crazy and go Tomorrow's
Sunday morning and perform at a church and everybody be
in worship.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Not too many people can do that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Heck, no, no, no, no, you're right.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So, like, just knowing that about myself and just it
not it just not you know, just never getting over
that hump.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
It made me like one of just.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Like because then then then then.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Of fear m stepped in.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Now it's the fear of having all these situations you
had in the past that never worked out for you.
You just jumping out there, just jumping in the middle water,
hoping something gonna happen, and fear and just scared to
try because you don't want to deal with that again.
You don't want to go through that experience.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But like they say, it's almost like love.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'd rather I'd rather have have had loved than to
not have had it, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like you have to try. Nothing is guaranteed, nothing
in this world. Like that's one thing that be high
My manager back in the day, you know what i mean.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
He ust Toll always.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Say to me like this is just a dream, you
know what I mean? Like Jay was signed the Priority
records at this time, and he was like, yore bleak,
this is just a dream Rockefeller records.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It may not never happen.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
How about Jay dropped these records and nobody give a
fuck who he is. Rockafell might not never come to fluition,
So you got to start thinking of life if that
never happens. And I remember looking at him like I
don't think I could think that far right, you know,
because it's like if this don't happen, then I don't
know what else to do, you know what I mean.
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So it's like you don't know, you uncertain, but you
have to try.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Like I said, people.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Look at it and be like, yo, bleep, you had
the illness career, you had this, but then you get
niggas up there that be like yo, he was the
Wackens nigga on Rockefeller like, and it's like, at least
I threw my hat in the race, you know what
I'm saying. And that's why I say about you, bro,
like to you, you probably didn't think Yo, I got
as far as I needed to, but God put you
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right where you were supposed to be. Like that's one
thing I look at it like, yeah, I wanted to
be triple platinum.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was one of them, all this struggling to go go.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know what I'm saying, But that's where I was,
right where I was supposed to be to get me
to these moments, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So don't never think doubt yourself. Bro Ever it happens.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Told you outside you inspired me, bro, seeing what you
used to do, you made me.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You made me realize punchlines mean.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
A motherfucking big factor because you used to go up
there and say shit and the whole crowd.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Like h be like god damn, he murdered that.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So you know, like whether it's one or one million,
the job was done, bro, you know what I'm saying,
So don't think it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
The job was done.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You accomplished what you needed to accomplish. That's why we're
sitting here talking because you affected me. God knows what
other person in the crowd or any other show you
did that. You affected that Solf speaking about you the
same way. They just don't have the cameras on it,
you know what I'm saying. So, and the job is done, bro,
don't ever don't ever think it's not my gee one
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hundred percent. So with that, it's sad though, like going
through that dark tim like you said, the fear and
all that.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
What what advice.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Would you give a young and up and coming artist
who might doubt himself the same.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Way like you just said, don't doubt yourself. You answered
the question like, don't doubt yourself. Take the risk, take
the risks. That's I mean, the worst thing can happen,
is it not happened? That's whatever you know, you never
know it won't happen until you try, That's right. So
just you got to take the risk.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And did faith play a big part in reshaping this path?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Like your whole new path was your faith? Yeah, that's
always yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I always had my faith, man, That's that's what that
ket that keeps me keep my head up, bro, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And my daughter you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
My faith in God and my daughters the two things
that keep me going, you.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So yeah, and like God blessed me man, because like
I was, I don't even know if you know, remember
I did the song for Roy Jones, y'all must have forgot.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I forgot you wrote that word.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I forgot you wrote that, y'all, I must have forgot
not niggas n yo.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
You have that ship. That's my ship too. I must
have forgot you killed damn bro word. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So I had had the whole situation with Roy Jones. Yeah,
and a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Of people don't know. I wrote the album for Bill Cosby.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Bill Cosby was trying to spink nah like like.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Nah, he was just like the face behind it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Actually, my man not the same the man that my man,
my man Jason is here, my man that I did
the album with me and him did it together. You
can't sell us jello and then be like I was
on the blitter Nah, he was. He was putting a
positive message out there, like, you know, speaking hope, trying
to you know, help the community, you know what I mean.
And we put an album out well when it never
(29:58):
came it really never came out right, sort of sort
of trying. We performed the jay Leno and Anything No
Way jay Leno with Major. We did the NBC Morning Show.
We did a few things with the Bill cos It's
called cos Naradiardy.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Cos We was trying to play friend. Yeah, we did.
Bill Cosby became the North sat down with us.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
In the room and just when they started watching Bill
he had was like, we gotta get him out of in.
That's when they got That's when they got hot. Once
you get into the rap game, they give it rappers.
Rico then was the first.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Newark got him, Abu kas Lariati, I would have been
like watching Daddy, watching.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Over the crazy. That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
What do you think defines authenticity and hip hop today?
Just expressing your true self who you are. I think
that's it. When you you're just being.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Your true self.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You're not You're not trying to portray yourself to be
something you're not. You're just being very vulnerable, very open
with who you are, what type of person you are,
you know from from your.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Strengths and your weaknesses. Just being who you are. That's authenticity.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Your authenticity, man, that's it, like expressing who you are.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
A lot of these artists today say stuff just I
think they to me, I feel like a lot of
rappers just say things to just rhyme, just to sound cool,
And I don't think they think about the consequences of
their words, Like you know what I mean, Like how
serious is something? Because you know, like you said, when
you're doing the gospel, you talking with souls, you talking
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about people life, So you you know, you got to
the consequences of your actions and your words.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's serious, soul.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
What would you say to people that you think should
be more conscious.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
That life and death is in the power of the tongue.
That's a fact. That's what they need to know and understand.
That's a fact. Speak life. You gotta speak Life's gonna
come exactly. Fact. To be very conscious of your words
because words have power. That's a fact. Yeah, man, yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So do you ever see like the spiritual impact like
things that you've been through, Like do you think that whatever?
Like I asked you this earlier, but I think it's
a way for some type of conscience back into our culture.
I think that's where we lost our way. It's no consciousness.
(33:04):
People just shooting in the dog, eyes closed, hoping anything hit.
So do you feel like we can ever restore the
feeling man? Like, if just honesty and music.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's possible.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I think I think it depends on the the the
music itself, Like it has to be dope at the
end of the day, bleak. There has to be something
that's very catchy p people gotta be able to relate
to it. It has to pull on the heart strings
of people like you have to make those type of
records with.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You saying that a artist today he got a talent show.
Say this right. I'm a young kid right now.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Thirteen fourteen years old, I got a talent show coming up.
I'm like, yo, I gotta kill this shit dog M
I gotta write the illis bars, I got what what
what would you give? What advice would you give that kid?
The m to ensure like the lembo? Nah, this is
how you going and shut it down? Sign up to
my rights Academy.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Shout out, because we started one today. Yeah, they need to.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'll get you right, Get you right right, ad, we
just got the day NFC.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Get you right right, Amy signed up. No, don't worry. Drive.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
As soon as we said it, your guys in the
back drew up the LLC paper that right now.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You know you can do LLC on your phone right now.
It's good, It's done right. But now for real, man, what.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
What would you what type of advice would you give
that kid at the Writer's Academy.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I would just teach him how to just just have
to be like when you when you're performing in front
of people, you have to have presents and you have
to say things that are impactful. Like I said, you
have to pull on heart strings of the people. You
can't say nothing to have people that is they're like,
what is he talking about? You have to you have
(35:06):
to come from that angle. I always try to come
from that angle. I'm pulling on the heart strings. I'm
saying something that make people be like, wait a minute,
what what's this. You have to have that type of
mindset when you're coming. When you talk about performing in
front of people, getting a crowd to like you is
not that it's or to enjoy your performance is one
of the hardest things to this day and most a
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lot of artists that you love and know still have
trouble with that. They still can't rip a show. They
songs like really Max, They're like, it's the songs that
make their performances get by it, ain't there.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
These these kids perform over the MP three they don't
even yes and they instrumental, They wrap over their own bracket. Yes,
that's insane to me, that's so crazy. That's like, yeah,
that's like going to the club into just playing Apple
music at the show, like fuck it, huh right? I
know MILLI Vanilly pissed. I know they somewhere like y'all ship.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
In me I was doing this year. Put these niggas on.
They need some money.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
They that's a fact. So Yo, when the Hostile Ripper
chapter get told, m hmm, how do you ensure?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Do you feel like people gonna have to read it twice? Definitely?
That's how real it is.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Definitely, I believe so definitely, I believe so, bro because
like I said, you played the major role in the
in the beginning the formation of Rockefeller. Because it's like
soon as I came off the promo run with Rail
and Diamonds in the Rough, they left me in the hood.
Y'all went on tour and then we were shooting hard
knocked like video and Marcy Wild. Then we in the club,
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they throwing bottles. We had the ill fight with Fat
Joe and don't remember. Oh yeah that was crazy, yo.
That was bottle ran. We ran out together. I was like,
I like, don't run, don't run. Don't we get out
the club? Nobody was there. We likedy hat Yo. It
was bottle Wars like a motherfucker. Now look fat Joe down.
I just seen them today. Yeah, they want me to
(37:16):
come on the show. I told him we're gonna we
want Joe. I'm gonna be up there.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm captain, gonna even hold you.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Your podcast interviews be so dope, Yo, you should do
it like a podcast or just just going to different
podcasts because Yo, your junk is so like entertaining and like, yeah, intriguing,
like everybody be like your stories be immaculate.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I try, I try. I just try to tell it
like it is me real though. That's what that's what
so dope about what go crazy?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Jay told me years ago, right, and it was like, Yo,
why you don't put your personality in your music? And
I'm like, yeah, what.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You mean when you cut that micro I owe you
Bobby Johnson nigga talk about I'm not fucking curding. I'm
not a rapper, like I'm not no comedian. But when
we you know, we.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Joking and Ana Jay said, Yo, you don't get it man,
When the world see your personality bleak, your life gonna change.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Wow, you got it, you got it, you guess. I
guess this is the way become intrigued. To see the
new joint.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You gotta coming on drink chance Because I saw the
little content, I was like.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Doing it again, he's doing it again.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, no, man, That's why they keep having you because
you really like you do very well with.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
The appreciated man. Yo. I had Nick Cannon on here.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
He looked at me and was like, Yo, man, you
really got a talent for this ship. Like he looked
at me like, nigg I think I gotta have you
on my show now.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Like words, so people say this for my calling.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You're very like You're very a very organic and genuine person.
I never forget the first time, like because every time
I used to get around Jay, I was nervous like
I used to be. I get around Jay, and I
used to be nervous.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I remember one day, I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He was at the office or something and something happened
and you said something and you snapped that Ja.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
No way like Nigga blah blah blah blah. You talk,
you talk and J like nigga blah blah. Like y'all
went back and forth. Blood.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'm sitting there like, oh, snap, this nigga snapped that
ja Like they really got said, they really got a relationship,
like we still be on it.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Man, I just got a relationship. Show my daughter because
you know, hope be on some bullshit. Hope.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Don't you want to take pictures if it's not like
a professional you pull out that iPhone like it gotta
be professional, Like there's a professional camera there. He's gonna
snap away the iPhone, piggy looking at you like you
know better. But my daughter ran down on him. It
was like I want a picture. So I looked at
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him like, don't do.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Sh fi right. So that was cool. But man, Jane's
crazy with certain ship. Man.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He definitely we definitely always had that marsy relationship and
I love that we never let that waiver. No matter
how famous or whatever nigga's been through, Nigga's still going
to see you and be like, hey, you sucked well,
you soft nigga.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You ain't doing nothing, You ain't out here, you soft.
I love that about Jay. So what do you think
you want to be remembered for?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
You want to be remembered for you think your transition
now or the bars.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
How you was the bar? God?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
I want to just be remembered for brother hosta ripper,
Like I just want every aspect of my talent, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's not just about just the bars, like.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Because I've I've impacted so many people on the gospel side.
So I would never just want to be like, oh,
just remember me for my bars.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
No, remember me.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
How I want to be remembered for how I touched
your life. M You know what I mean, the way
the impact that I had on you. All the testimonies
that came into my inboxes from different parents on how
my music got they your one dude delivered his baby.
His they had a do our labor type thing where
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they the mother was sitting in the water type thing.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes, they get the water birth. I don't know what
it's called.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
But he's like, he's playing my music in the background
while his wife is giving birth to their child.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
That's insane, bro.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
And then you didn't and then you're thinking you didn't
achieve what you were supposed to and that jump was crazy. Man.
Look at that, bro, incredible. I never they're not playing
nothing in the listen, trust me, There's no song I
ever made that's getting played during childbirth.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So so stuff like.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
That, man, it's like, I don't want to be remembered
for the impact I had on people lives.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Man, And that's that's a blessing.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
That's the blessing right there, man, Like I want to
know excuse me. My definition of success to me is
health and the smell you put.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
On people faces. Mm hmm. Well, how do you define
success to you? Good question? Success is wow, watching my
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daughter graduate from college? Cool?
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Nah, let's changed it because I'm about to start getting emotional.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Nah nah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Make it funny for you, because success to me, I
watched my son graduate, but I ain't a graduated. Just
ask me to help him get a job. So it's like,
hold on how much success is?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Hold on a little bit of success? Like that sucks
right now? Like we need to find sess now, Like it's.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Outside of the like music for me, Like it's like
me as a man, me as a father, you know
what I mean, just watching my daughter grow up from childhood,
you know, like me two inches from almost not being
able to watch her whole journey from a child to
an adult because I could have lost my life.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Just to see her graduate from college, that's a blessing,
you know what I mean? And with high with high
honors and all of that, and and and actually moving
to her own place and continue school and go to
grad school to finish to get her masters.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Man, that's the success. I like, that's what That's what
success is for me watching my daughter and that's what
it is. Man. But now I know that you got
a daughter.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
That graduated school, that moved out, did all that, So
you one more name on my list for therapy.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Cause my daughter is seven. All I'm doing is buying guns.
Every year, I'm buying a new gun. Bro.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Let me tell you, i'ma be honest with you. Blieve
your daughter seven years old. I'm gonna keep the straight.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
G with you.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
You got about four years it's over. No, i'm'a give
you six six.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Five, five by five, I give you five by tashi twelve.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's over. It's gonna hurt. I know who blink is
gonna hurt. She ain't beat for daddy no more. I
know she ain't gonna be beat no more. Yo, She's
gonna have her own little circle of friends. Dude, you're
gonna be a rap man. I heard this though before,
when when I first met my wife and my son,
was like.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
They come back though, Yeah. My son was like.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Six years old when I first met my wife, and
she was like, damn, that's dope. The relationship you got
with your son. She was like, you better enjoy that
because it's like five six years.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
All that hanging out with daddy on the weekend. He
gonna be like, Pop.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I'm with my friends. Can we hang out next weekend?
And then next week it go turn into I forgot
that And that's how it is today. I gotta call
him to be like, Yo, what's something homie. You ain't
checking out Pop's doing? He called me, and.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I know, yep, that's what tapping. He wants that. Zem right,
that's all they be wanting. He want that zam nah man. Man.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I appreciate you pulling up man, Like I.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Said, Bro, you've been a staple the Rockefeller.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Without you, it wouldn't have been the direction I think
I went in my career.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
You played a major role in.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
My life, not only as a friend, as a label mate.
You know, the shows, everything we've been through, the tours,
and to see what you're doing now, Bro, I commend
everything you do.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I appreciate that, you know, and I want to be
like me and Bleak wasn't in communication before he even
stayed in my name on that breakfast club.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
We weren't even in carge.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
This was just genuine, genuinely just mentioning me and giving
me my flowers. And I'm like, super like grateful for.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
That man, man, And that's why when you hit me,
I'm like, Bro, you got to pull up the rock
solid man like Bro, That's what this platform is for. Man,
Brothers like you myself, the ones who stayed the same,
never waving.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
You know, we shot.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
The shot might have not hit the target, but it
landed somewhere. Like I said, when there's wet weather, it's
one or one million.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Job was done.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Because when you first started rapping, Bro, you ain't think
nobody was you know, we ain't wasn't guaranteed exactly. So
they even accomplished ten people, twenty people like yo that.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
You won my gene.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I appreciate that word up man, and I'm glad to
see you still doing your thing, my brother.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Let them know where they could find you. We're giving
a good word at on the beat.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Like I said, I got six albums that's on iTunes. Man,
Just look under brother has hwes is spelled h a HZ.
It should be spelled on on the YouTube channel. Anyway,
we're gonna We're gonna have it spelled. Don't worry. We
got a little bit of brad on here. Now we're
gonna put your name under you.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
So brother has on all platforms, Brother Underscore, highs on,
I g follow me, follow me on Facebook and yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
That's about it man. And I'm working on my last album.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Last album is called I hope this helps look out
for that in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
That's gonna be a big record, big big record. Come on,
let me get a verse.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I think I got some little bit of I got
a little bit of righteousness to talk a little something.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I'm not gonna go gangster in them. I'll give him
some righteous regular freestyle, no curses. You got something you
got yeah? Okay go nah not right now? No, I
got it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Like you said, I gotta be thought with souls, right,
you got strategic. I won't be the soul Statua want
be the soul hitler.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yo. And with that being said, that's a rat man.
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Big with this year Memphis. I'm back at it, niggas.
Notice the difference. Just pron present no stones.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Right back at you with another episode of Rock Solid.
Like I told you you see anybody on this podcast
on this platform. Number one name my brother number two
days solid than the motherfucker and to the left of me.
I got my brother from day one. You might not
know who he is, but to me, he's a fucking legend.
Been shutting down clubs with some of the greats, doing
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things you wouldn't even imagine. Some of your greats right
now couldn't do it. And this is my brother, no
other that hides the ripper with something. Jim, how you
been my guy? Here?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm here, love man, good seeing you man, How you
been broken good? I know.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
First of all, I just want to thank you for this.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
This is great.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
This is great, man for showing me love what you
did on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No man, it was Doe man, Like yeah, they asked
me you know a simple question. Who did I feel
didn't get an album or get to just do that
he needed?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And I'm like, man, my god, hiss, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Like you know what I'm saying, because Bro, from the beginning,
I seen you do nothing but shut shit down. At
how I met you, I met you after the fact,
because you don't even know this. I got introduced to
you by basically Damn.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
They're having the hate on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You because that has because I went Hollywood after reasonable
doubt and they clipped me, left me in the project.
That's when Jay did the Biggie tour, went on the
tour with Puffing Up, and you went on.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Tour with them.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
No, I wasn't on that tour, but you did a
couple of spot dates I think with them.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I remember when the spot dates with Jay, but it
wasn't on that tour.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Because when I saw you, I think we was at
a Jersey stop. He came to a show and you
came out and I'm like, what fuck is this guy?
And they like, that's the new artist he on tour with.
Wait a minute, they trying to clip me, Like what?
So that's how I thought it was like they trying
to replace me.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
My guy just was there putting that work in and
I had to respect it, bro, because, like I said,
my first time seeing you, bro, you went out there,
no beat, no nothing, and spend some of the ill
this ship had the crowd going crazy and.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I'm like, sir, the fuck is this guy? So how
was that for you on to come up? Bro? Man?
It was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Shout out to Jay Z for allow me.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That platform, put me on his platform like that, and
a lot of people were thinking, like and I want
to set to reconstrate to everybody. Jay never let me
open up for him. Jay brought me out in the
middle of his set. Yes, yes, every show he would
bring me out in the middle of his set.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
He never likes that. Go through your thing and then
I'm gonna go on.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
He like prepped the crowd like, yo, I got my
man coming out, blah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Blah blah, hostile ripper or whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And it was we had some great great so many
great great experience. I can't even can't even like go
down the line and how many like shows.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That was just out of this world man, it was.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
But the first time Jay put me on, I was
telling some of my followers back back home. I was
telling him how you know, the first time Jay called
me out to perform, we was at Yukon and I frozel,
I I froze. I'll never forget yo. Jay had the
white T shirt around his head. You had the orange
guggles on, had to cut off sleeve T shirt I think,
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and he was just doing this thing and I didn't
expect him to call me. I was just going rolling,
you know what I mean, rolling with him and the
show to the show, and he was like, he said,
how's the ripper? And I promised you I froze my nigga.
I got the mic, like, what the hell I'm gonna do, Like,
got on stage and moved over my rhymes, and him
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and Dame like rolled me the whole ride back. They
was clowning me the whole ride back. But a couple
of nights later we went to Millersville, Pennsylvania to do
a show and actually Jay was finished with his set.
I didn't think he was gonna call me again. And
as they was walking off the stage, Dang was like, no,
how to rip in the night. And that's when Jay
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was like, yeall ready for us?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
To go. He's crowd was like no, no, no, he said,
all right, well I'm pret my man to rip.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Out and Blake I destroyd I know, I know it
was it was. It was to the point that the
crowd asked for encore for me to come back on stage.
No way, God is my witness. It was that crazy.
So we had some great experiences man, that he took
me to. That's when he told me, like, you could
you earned yourself a spot on the roll and took
me to Europe.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh damn. Yeah, that's when he was really bad. Yeah,
that's where I got left. It wasn't it was, yeah,
it was zero. That's dope, man.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But how did how did you even come into meeting Jada?
He even knowing, like, Yo, this guy's ill, I could
bring him on my show, Like what was that interaction?
So what happened was it was Clark Man, rest in
peace to Clark k Man.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It was Clark Kent. Clark Kent.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
We was working through him with this girl lady named
Gabrielle Smith. She used to work for job back in
the day, and she introduced us to Clark.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And that's when I was with.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
A group called Hardware and Clarke was working with us,
doing us, doing beats for us and everything, working with us,
and he that's when he first introduced Jake because I
felt like I was ain't.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Nobody in the world better than me? Right right? That's
how it felt like nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And Clark was like, Yo, I got this dude, He's
the Jesus Christ a rap. He was talking about Jado.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, like I know if I've never heard him call
him that, Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
What you call him? What's his name?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What's the guy from Virginia, the rapper name. I can't
think of his name, but the rapper from Virginia had
told a story about Clark and he said the same
exact thing. That's how I know Clark say that. He
said Jay was the Jesus Christ of rat just like
that niggat better than me. And then he played us
some j records and I was like, wait, this niggas incredible,
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So yo, I never forget. He's like he did that
rhyme about when he had all the rappers in it,
remember that song bleak No, He's like he never made
it out, but it was I think it was like
it was like a demo demo joy if you read
from your EP, you're gonna need an m D. So
you got to chill because I chill that will like
solid waters chilling, will.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Ice cube something. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
He always had somehow so that so that was that's
what that was my introduction to who jay Z was.
And then we had a show at what was it
called Down Down Jack Jacob Javisoner and Jay was there
and he saw us perform live and he was like, yo,
them kids, it's incredible. So that's how that's how my
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introduction that j was. That's when I met Jake. My
first interaction meeting j was at to Jacob Javison Wow,
and he was with a group. What happened in that hardware?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah? They doing it. They came back I don't know.
You know who came back is k Mack. He had
the Coyler Ray.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
He used to manage, Yeah, he managed Corla Ray and
now he got this thing. And he got the girl,
the bunny girl. I can't think of her name. I
can't think her name, but he got her. He got her.
Now some girl that's doing really good. She's doing really
good with her her songs now. So k Mak Grill
really doing his days he was with Missy and everything.
Shout out to k Mac, Yeah, he doing his thing heavy.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
How did how did you come up with the name?
Hois the Ripper? I always wonder, Yo, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Shout out to KG from Noughty by nature, big shout
out from Nordy by nature.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Gave me that name? No way? Yes he did, Yes
he did, because I had a rhym and I was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I was mc hawes at the time, and I said,
not Jack, how's the ripper?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
How's the flipper? The lyrical pick some junk? Right?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And he took that, not Jack, how's the Ripper? Because
you know I used to say Jack the ripper, so
he took the one. And when I said it in
the rhyme, he said, how's the ripper? He started calling
me that. He started only that, only that, and it's stuck.
And I said, that's my name. That's gonna be my
name because it signified who I was, Like rich sages,
I ripped microphones, So that was that's how.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
It's only a few a handful of MC's.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You meet around the world that got ripper in They
name as EMCs, and I ain't gonna lie all of
them are legends, like it's another guy who passed away
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What Mike the Ripper, right, Mike Ripper, Well he was.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They talk about how ill crazy he was, and when
I when I first heard about him, I'm saying to myself, Yeah,
y'all need to meet my man, highest Ripper. God bless
Mike Ripper. You would have smoked. But yo, So what
was the moment you knew.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
As a lyricist like these niggas can't fuck with me? Man?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
High school? I mean since high school.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think I was was confident and very strong about
the level of uh talent I had as a as
a lyricist. I knew from high school that I was
gonna be something serious the best with from there. I
never lost a talent show. I never lost a talent show.
That's that's ill.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I remember. I did a few talent shows. I never won.
I never won one. I came in second place once
and third ones.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I definitely never came in first because that's where niggas
used to be dancing on the bill too, right, right right,
I ain't have no skills like that, so I ain't
never went one.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But as far as the rat, oh yeah, I came
in first and that. But there you go. It was
the skill chide right, right. I I only hit the
free throw.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I had the head, I had no hand, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Man, So from high school is when I knew man,
and it just I just kept at it and I
just you know, state state state, stay right, and stay
right and stay right. No very hungry back then. You
know you're young.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You just go hard. And then you know, I got
with Noughty by Nature.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Back then and tour with them first, and you know,
you know, story goes on.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Man, whatever happened with the situation with Rockefeller? Like why
you never put out an album or a single or
like you know it?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Somebody put under the comments uh on your post about
from the from the Breakfast club thing, a lot of
people said a whole bunch of positive stuff and this
this comment wasn't even bad.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It was just like constructive, constructive criticism.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I like, yeah, dude was like his problem was he
didn't know how to make songs. He could wrap his
behind off, but he didn't know how to make songs
back then. And I remember like hip hop and you know,
they always liked they was like they was they had
a tough Yeah, they had a little like issue with
me as far as making songs. So that's probably why
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I never put out an album. We never literally signed
the contract. They never literally signed me.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
To a contract, never saying you touched the stage with
or the little couple shows with him and you went
on God damn man, I was just roll. I was
ready to cheat cold I had. I don't think I
was signed. He didn't have no label when we first
started doing coming age. It wasn't until it's all right,
but yeah, that ink was.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Dry, right.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
So that's that's that's why I never put an album out,
because for one, I wasn't never really signed, but I
think I was like more hungry, and they was like
pushing more of the patient method with me, trying to
put me to the back burner for a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Now excuse me. I was young, and I was young
and hungry. Man. I was ready to roll, ready to rock.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, and they was like not ready for that at
that moment.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So they they put.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You with one of the toughest A and rs though
man hip hop.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah out to hip hop too, because I heard you
shout me out on him. Another podcast hip hop was
tough man hip hop.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Never he never gave me a beat. He called me
in for a verse on somebody else. Shit, But he
ain't never come in my session and give me a
beat like your beak.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think this beat for you, like I don't think him. Nah.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
He wasn't checking for that. He was he was stayed
property Hove. You know, he was mainly ho and all Lenny.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's really who came through on my sessions, Lynda, just
like that was it. Then it was hurdu from there
like that's crazy man. Like, So I know you said,
I got confused because I thought you was into the
ministry thing like he not a pastor.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Y'all right, players, fuck up? I fucked up, all right, players,
fucked up? Right.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He don't got a church. He just talked in the churches.
So to me, he got a church. So we ain't
fuck up on that bar. Because if you ever see
me grab the mic in the church, believe me, I'm
gonna tell you that was my church.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
The only person gonna normline is the pastor and Jesus
Christ himself. Okay, but how did you make that transition
from you know, from doing the rap that we was
doing to you said you got into the gospel.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Right, So yeah, I'm a gospel recording artist, brother HAIs.
I got six albums out right now. I started this
twenty years ago, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
What happened was.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I was actually about to get a solo deal with
I had a couple of meets.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
With Depth Jam.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't know who the other it was two labels, though,
I had two deals on the table. But what happened
was September nineteenth. Never forget the date, two thousand and three.
You know I got hitting the drive by.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Shooting no way, no, hell no, I ain't know that
what they.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Have blake, I got shot bro no way, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Man, maybe for you or just onlace wrong time.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I was actually on my lunch break at work. No
what damn, that's crazy. I had just put a mixtape out.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The whole hood was going crazy over the mix tape,
and I walked to the corner on my break and
all these niggas from the hood, from from Townhouses and
North they like, yo, hose blah blah blah, Yo that
mixed tap crazy blah blah blah. When you so talking
to all the music stuff so I'm sitting there kicking
it with him, and then I uh, I said, yo,
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I got we gotta get back to my coworker, cause
we walked down there together, like we gotta get back
to the building.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Man. He's like all right.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And while we when we went across the street, car
turned the corner and I heard this real deep sound boom,
but it sounded like a tire blue. It ain't sound
like a gunshot to me. I was like, damn, somebody
tire blue. And then let's start.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Hearing boom boom, and I said, oh, it's not they shooting.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So everybody scattered and I became the only one bleak
walking running like running down the street.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's like a scene from a movie.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I'm running down the street going the same way the
car was driving, not a all the shots is being
shot at me, cause everybody else done scattered up.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So they liked baa baga, just shooting at me.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And then I dove and only thing I remember is
like it was like in slow motion.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I looked up.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
All I saw was the gun sticking out the window,
and they roe I couldn't even tell you what kind
of car it was, dann and I got up and
I start blacking on the cats from the hood toy
like yo, yeah, niggas in the beef, y' ain't tell.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Me word up? What the freak y'all doing Like I
started blacking on me. It's like you guys like y'o
with my man Lee roy At, that was my co worker.
I say, where Leeve roy At?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I'm mona bugging out thinking something happened to him. Then
he come running up the streets like, yo, mam, I.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Used to hide you. I said, yeah, I'm good man.
I say, yeah, nigga, don't no.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Not do like this and not tap and I tapped
my hand and my whole left hands filled with blood.
This fucked my shirt like n something like this, something
like the rockside, but had like a split in my
chest like this.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No w dang, no exaggeration, no cap damn.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And yeah, man, I was shot. I was conscious, but
I was shot. I sat there waiting for the ambulance.
They took too long. Told my man go get his car,
took me to the to the hospital and yeah, I
made it, thank god. The bullet went in and out.
I was alright, But the crazy thing bleak. This is
what made the transition for me to re rethink the
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direction I was going with my music. Somebody else had
got shot that same night and was in the room
next to me, had got shot in the chest as
well and died MM and a doctor came in and
told me, and that's when I was like Wow. I
just broke down crying right there in the hospital room.
And then you know, I went home and just kind
of like, you know, was w was reflecting all my life, like, man, God,
(16:53):
what is you trying to tell me? Cause I always
been a believer in God. Man, I've been in I've
been in church since I was a kid, So I
always believed in God. So I just had an epiphany
moment at a at a kids at a high school
talent show. Actually I was booked as the special guest
and I performed this positive record and like a whole
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row of girls was just boohoo crying him out in
the middle of my performance.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I had no clue.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They came backstage after the show said Yo, that song
touchedes so much, and I said, this is it, This
is it. So I said, I'm not doing regular rapping.
I'm gonna start doing positive music. And you know, glorifying
God from here on out. That's how that's how it happened.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
See God blessed that you still here. Word.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But that's how I had to disconnect because I see
you at the churches performing sometimes speeching, doing the speeches,
but then you changed your name the brother hides, So
it was.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like, yeah, my guy got it. He and he and
he all the way ur going love.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But the gospel rap like how you feel Like, what's
the difference you feel is going to the studio to
do that opposed to how what's going to the studio
just to talk, you know, the ignorance we talk. It's
more it's more strategically done because you're dealing with souls, yes,
(18:15):
and you have people that's going through stuff in life,
and you have to be very sensitive to that.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So when I'm writing and when I'm coming up with
different concepts or God has given me dropping different types
of songs to create, I'm very sensitive and very like
strategic with the writing and just being very careful to
make sure that I'm I'm I'm giving people hope, I'm
being a voice for for whatever they're dealing with and know.
So that's that's my that's my angle on how I
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go about the writing.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I was like, you you basically answer my next question,
cause I was gonna say, what's the almost the same question,
but like what's the it's do you think it's a
difference of like how artists today we come up in
the industry and you know, the first thing they think, y'all,
I gotta get the bag. I got to get to
the bag. But doing what you're doing, it's all about purpose.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
There you go. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So there you go, Like, there you go, how did
you how did you separate the two because a lot
of people out here don't even know what they purpose is.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
They just think their purpose is to get money. You
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I mean, I think what happened for me is like
once once God spared me, like because the bullet missed
my heart by two inches, bro Like literally though in
my and my and the generational curse was broken in
my life because my father was shot in the chest
and died.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's how my father died.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And I got shot in the chest and the bullet
missed my heart by two inches. So at that moment
God kept me. I knew he had kept me for
a reason.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That's right, you know what I mean. So that's that's
that's how that went, man, That's that's what's upping. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You inspired a whole generation of artists when it comes
down to freestyling.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Now with your word all of that, Man.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What do you think the culture is missing when it
comes down to you know, not everybody. You know, everybody
defines living right in their own way. Everybody thought of righteous,
it's not it's everybody. What do you think how can
we you think fit that into the culture to where
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these kids, Because these kids need something to believe.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
You gotta speak their language, man, you gotta speak it,
speak their language, and you got to dig into the
root of where they're having these issues from these a
lot of these kids are traumatized from their upbringings to
you know, with their parents, things that happen to them
and as as children that they still live with that
they haven't faced. A lot of kids don't go to
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therapy to that, you know, and communication.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
A lot of kids don't talk.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
They hold a lot of stuff in and they wait
for situations that happen to their life to just burst
out into all these different you know, different emotions you know.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So I think you just have to, you know, with
from that angle, you gotta really dig into the root
of what's going on with these kids, man, and talk
and talk about the issues that they're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, definitely, man.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I think it's like I always say, everybody have a gift.
Just have to find out what it is and find out.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
How to use it. That's facts, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So, like, when you're out and you're doing these speeches,
do you do you do speeches at schools or just that.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I mostly like to performances and I'll speak in between
the songs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I like, i'll talk.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I'll give the the reason behind this song or why
it was written or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But I really just talk through my through my songs. Man.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
When I perform the high schools and everything, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What you what you would say?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Your main message is that you want the people because
it's adults, children, everything there, and what you want them
to walk away with.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
The message like, get a relationship with God. Get really
whoever your God is, My God is Jesus Christ. I'm
not knocking nobody's religion, but get a relationship with God.
Cause a lot of people feel they don't have nobody
who they feel I love them. So if you know
you believe in God, to have a God that you love,
that you know, and that know that loves you.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You'll be all right. Man, You'll be all right.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You have someone to go to talk to. See man,
you should be a pastor. MANI me in church to
go to man. I got to know the pastor.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
These pastors now where Jordan's I know they're right. I said, listen,
none of us is perfect bleak, but you can't have
We're all trying to walk right. Listen, you cannot be
is heavy out here man, James, Like, come on, I
can't even say that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You can't blieve it. Don't say it. It's just you
know you can't.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Like, where's the formality of how you dress for child?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So I wouldn't tell me.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The Bible says nowhere, please do not be you not
conformed to Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So the next speech, I want to see you in
the FEELI of lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You. So I just performed yesterday and I had I had.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
On jor, I had on on jeans, and I had
on joys. Even if you not a pastor, I'm not,
but I was giving the word through. Man, I love
what you're doing. Mess, what's up yo? At any moment,
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anytime in this journey that we've been on in life,
do you think it's a moment you ever felt like
you wanted to give up?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Like that music in total.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Man, that I don't even want to go down that route.
That's that's an emotional bro, That's that's an emotional.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Role to go down.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But yeah, blak, I really have, Like I really a
lot of times I felt like I felt like I
gave up on myself.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I dealt with rejection a lot. I went through depression.
I felt like I was in my own way.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It was a lot of things that I went through.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That that so many emotional roller coasters that I went down, Man,
because of different seasons of my life feeling like this
should be me.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You know, this should be me. I should be here,
I should.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Be there because the gift never never subsided, like it
never weakened, Like it just got stronger. Like I still
was top tier in every aspect of my gift.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Like I can perform.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
At a club on Saturday and do a hostel ripper
record and have a crowd, go crazy and go Tomorrow's
Sunday morning and perform at a church and everybody be
in worship.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Not too many people can do that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Heck, no, no, no, no, you're right.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So, like, just knowing that about myself and just it
not it just not you know, just never getting over
that hump.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
It made me like one of just.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Like because then then then then.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Of fear m stepped in.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Now it's the fear of having all these situations you
had in the past that never worked out for you.
You just jumping out there, just jumping in the middle water,
hoping something gonna happen, and fear and just scared to
try because you don't want to deal with that again.
You don't want to go through that experience.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But like they say, it's almost like love.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'd rather I'd rather have have had loved than to
not have had it, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like you have to try. Nothing is guaranteed, nothing
in this world. Like that's one thing that be high
My manager back in the day, you know what i mean.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
He ust Toll always.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Say to me like this is just a dream, you
know what I mean? Like Jay was signed the Priority
records at this time, and he was like, yore bleak,
this is just a dream Rockefeller records.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It may not never happen.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
How about Jay dropped these records and nobody give a
fuck who he is. Rockafell might not never come to fluition,
So you got to start thinking of life if that
never happens. And I remember looking at him like I
don't think I could think that far right, you know,
because it's like if this don't happen, then I don't
know what else to do, you know what I mean.
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So it's like you don't know, you uncertain, but you
have to try.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Like I said, people.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Look at it and be like, yo, bleep, you had
the illness career, you had this, but then you get
niggas up there that be like yo, he was the
Wackens nigga on Rockefeller like, and it's like, at least
I threw my hat in the race, you know what
I'm saying. And that's why I say about you, bro,
like to you, you probably didn't think Yo, I got
as far as I needed to, but God put you
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right where you were supposed to be. Like that's one
thing I look at it like, yeah, I wanted to
be triple platinum.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was one of them, all this struggling to go go.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know what I'm saying, But that's where I was,
right where I was supposed to be to get me
to these moments, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So don't never think doubt yourself. Bro Ever it happens.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Told you outside you inspired me, bro, seeing what you
used to do, you made me.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You made me realize punchlines mean.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
A motherfucking big factor because you used to go up
there and say shit and the whole crowd.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Like h be like god damn, he murdered that.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So you know, like whether it's one or one million,
the job was done, bro, you know what I'm saying,
So don't think it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
The job was done.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You accomplished what you needed to accomplish. That's why we're
sitting here talking because you affected me. God knows what
other person in the crowd or any other show you
did that. You affected that Solf speaking about you the
same way. They just don't have the cameras on it,
you know what I'm saying. So, and the job is done, bro,
don't ever don't ever think it's not my gee one
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hundred percent. So with that, it's sad though, like going
through that dark tim like you said, the fear and
all that.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
What what advice.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Would you give a young and up and coming artist
who might doubt himself the same.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Way like you just said, don't doubt yourself. You answered
the question like, don't doubt yourself. Take the risk, take
the risks. That's I mean, the worst thing can happen,
is it not happened? That's whatever you know, you never
know it won't happen until you try, That's right. So
just you got to take the risk.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And did faith play a big part in reshaping this path?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Like your whole new path was your faith? Yeah, that's
always yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I always had my faith, man, That's that's what that
ket that keeps me keep my head up, bro, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And my daughter you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
My faith in God and my daughters the two things
that keep me going, you.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So yeah, and like God blessed me man, because like
I was, I don't even know if you know, remember
I did the song for Roy Jones, y'all must have forgot.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I forgot you wrote that word.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I forgot you wrote that, y'all, I must have forgot
not niggas n yo.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
You have that ship. That's my ship too. I must
have forgot you killed damn bro word. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So I had had the whole situation with Roy Jones. Yeah,
and a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Of people don't know. I wrote the album for Bill Cosby.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Bill Cosby was trying to spink nah like like.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Nah, he was just like the face behind it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Actually, my man not the same the man that my man,
my man Jason is here, my man that I did
the album with me and him did it together. You
can't sell us jello and then be like I was
on the blitter Nah, he was. He was putting a
positive message out there, like, you know, speaking hope, trying
to you know, help the community, you know what I mean.
And we put an album out well when it never
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came it really never came out right, sort of sort
of trying. We performed the jay Leno and Anything No
Way jay Leno with Major. We did the NBC Morning Show.
We did a few things with the Bill cos It's
called cos Naradiardy.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Cos We was trying to play friend. Yeah, we did.
Bill Cosby became the North sat down with us.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
In the room and just when they started watching Bill
he had was like, we gotta get him out of in.
That's when they got That's when they got hot. Once
you get into the rap game, they give it rappers.
Rico then was the first.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Newark got him, Abu kas Lariati, I would have been
like watching Daddy, watching.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Over the crazy. That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
What do you think defines authenticity and hip hop today?
Just expressing your true self who you are. I think
that's it. When you you're just being.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Your true self.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You're not You're not trying to portray yourself to be
something you're not. You're just being very vulnerable, very open
with who you are, what type of person you are,
you know from from your.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Strengths and your weaknesses. Just being who you are. That's authenticity.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Your authenticity, man, that's it, like expressing who you are.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
A lot of these artists today say stuff just I
think they to me, I feel like a lot of
rappers just say things to just rhyme, just to sound cool,
And I don't think they think about the consequences of
their words, Like you know what I mean, Like how
serious is something? Because you know, like you said, when
you're doing the gospel, you talking with souls, you talking
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about people life, So you you know, you got to
the consequences of your actions and your words.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's serious, soul.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
What would you say to people that you think should
be more conscious.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
That life and death is in the power of the tongue.
That's a fact. That's what they need to know and understand.
That's a fact. Speak life. You gotta speak Life's gonna
come exactly. Fact. To be very conscious of your words
because words have power. That's a fact. Yeah, man, yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So do you ever see like the spiritual impact like
things that you've been through, Like do you think that whatever?
Like I asked you this earlier, but I think it's
a way for some type of conscience back into our culture.
I think that's where we lost our way. It's no consciousness.
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People just shooting in the dog, eyes closed, hoping anything hit.
So do you feel like we can ever restore the
feeling man? Like, if just honesty and music.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's possible.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I think I think it depends on the the the
music itself, Like it has to be dope at the
end of the day, bleak. There has to be something
that's very catchy p people gotta be able to relate
to it. It has to pull on the heart strings
of people like you have to make those type of
records with.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You saying that a artist today he got a talent show.
Say this right. I'm a young kid right now.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Thirteen fourteen years old, I got a talent show coming up.
I'm like, yo, I gotta kill this shit dog M
I gotta write the illis bars, I got what what
what would you give? What advice would you give that kid?
The m to ensure like the lembo? Nah, this is
how you going and shut it down? Sign up to
my rights Academy.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Shout out, because we started one today. Yeah, they need to.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'll get you right, Get you right right, ad, we
just got the day NFC.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Get you right right, Amy signed up. No, don't worry. Drive.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
As soon as we said it, your guys in the
back drew up the LLC paper that right now.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You know you can do LLC on your phone right now.
It's good, It's done right. But now for real, man, what.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
What would you what type of advice would you give
that kid at the Writer's Academy.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I would just teach him how to just just have
to be like when you when you're performing in front
of people, you have to have presents and you have
to say things that are impactful. Like I said, you
have to pull on heart strings of the people. You
can't say nothing to have people that is they're like,
what is he talking about? You have to you have
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to come from that angle. I always try to come
from that angle. I'm pulling on the heart strings. I'm
saying something that make people be like, wait a minute,
what what's this. You have to have that type of
mindset when you're coming. When you talk about performing in
front of people, getting a crowd to like you is
not that it's or to enjoy your performance is one
of the hardest things to this day and most a
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lot of artists that you love and know still have
trouble with that. They still can't rip a show. They
songs like really Max, They're like, it's the songs that
make their performances get by it, ain't there.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
These these kids perform over the MP three they don't
even yes and they instrumental, They wrap over their own bracket. Yes,
that's insane to me, that's so crazy. That's like, yeah,
that's like going to the club into just playing Apple
music at the show, like fuck it, huh right? I
know MILLI Vanilly pissed. I know they somewhere like y'all ship.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
In me I was doing this year. Put these niggas on.
They need some money.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
They that's a fact. So Yo, when the Hostile Ripper
chapter get told, m hmm, how do you ensure?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Do you feel like people gonna have to read it twice? Definitely?
That's how real it is.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Definitely, I believe so definitely, I believe so, bro because
like I said, you played the major role in the
in the beginning the formation of Rockefeller. Because it's like
soon as I came off the promo run with Rail
and Diamonds in the Rough, they left me in the hood.
Y'all went on tour and then we were shooting hard
knocked like video and Marcy Wild. Then we in the club,
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they throwing bottles. We had the ill fight with Fat
Joe and don't remember. Oh yeah that was crazy, yo.
That was bottle ran. We ran out together. I was like,
I like, don't run, don't run. Don't we get out
the club? Nobody was there. We likedy hat Yo. It
was bottle Wars like a motherfucker. Now look fat Joe down.
I just seen them today. Yeah, they want me to
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come on the show. I told him we're gonna we
want Joe. I'm gonna be up there.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm captain, gonna even hold you.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Your podcast interviews be so dope, Yo, you should do
it like a podcast or just just going to different
podcasts because Yo, your junk is so like entertaining and like, yeah, intriguing,
like everybody be like your stories be immaculate.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I try, I try. I just try to tell it
like it is me real though. That's what that's what
so dope about what go crazy?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Jay told me years ago, right, and it was like, Yo,
why you don't put your personality in your music? And
I'm like, yeah, what.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You mean when you cut that micro I owe you
Bobby Johnson nigga talk about I'm not fucking curding. I'm
not a rapper, like I'm not no comedian. But when
we you know, we.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Joking and Ana Jay said, Yo, you don't get it man,
When the world see your personality bleak, your life gonna change.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Wow, you got it, you got it, you guess. I
guess this is the way become intrigued. To see the
new joint.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You gotta coming on drink chance Because I saw the
little content, I was like.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Doing it again, he's doing it again.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, no, man, That's why they keep having you because
you really like you do very well with.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
The appreciated man. Yo. I had Nick Cannon on here.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
He looked at me and was like, Yo, man, you
really got a talent for this ship. Like he looked
at me like, nigg I think I gotta have you
on my show now.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Like words, so people say this for my calling.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You're very like You're very a very organic and genuine person.
I never forget the first time, like because every time
I used to get around Jay, I was nervous like
I used to be. I get around Jay, and I
used to be nervous.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I remember one day, I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He was at the office or something and something happened
and you said something and you snapped that Ja.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
No way like Nigga blah blah blah blah. You talk,
you talk and J like nigga blah blah. Like y'all
went back and forth. Blood.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'm sitting there like, oh, snap, this nigga snapped that
ja Like they really got said, they really got a relationship,
like we still be on it.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Man, I just got a relationship. Show my daughter because
you know, hope be on some bullshit. Hope.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Don't you want to take pictures if it's not like
a professional you pull out that iPhone like it gotta
be professional, Like there's a professional camera there. He's gonna
snap away the iPhone, piggy looking at you like you
know better. But my daughter ran down on him. It
was like I want a picture. So I looked at
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him like, don't do.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Sh fi right. So that was cool. But man, Jane's
crazy with certain ship. Man.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He definitely we definitely always had that marsy relationship and
I love that we never let that waiver. No matter
how famous or whatever nigga's been through, Nigga's still going
to see you and be like, hey, you sucked well,
you soft nigga.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You ain't doing nothing, You ain't out here, you soft.
I love that about Jay. So what do you think
you want to be remembered for?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
You want to be remembered for you think your transition
now or the bars.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
How you was the bar? God?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
I want to just be remembered for brother hosta ripper,
Like I just want every aspect of my talent, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's not just about just the bars, like.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Because I've I've impacted so many people on the gospel side.
So I would never just want to be like, oh,
just remember me for my bars.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
No, remember me.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
How I want to be remembered for how I touched
your life. M You know what I mean, the way
the impact that I had on you. All the testimonies
that came into my inboxes from different parents on how
my music got they your one dude delivered his baby.
His they had a do our labor type thing where
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they the mother was sitting in the water type thing.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes, they get the water birth. I don't know what
it's called.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
But he's like, he's playing my music in the background
while his wife is giving birth to their child.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
That's insane, bro.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
And then you didn't and then you're thinking you didn't
achieve what you were supposed to and that jump was crazy. Man.
Look at that, bro, incredible. I never they're not playing
nothing in the listen, trust me, There's no song I
ever made that's getting played during childbirth.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So so stuff like.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
That, man, it's like, I don't want to be remembered
for the impact I had on people lives.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Man, And that's that's a blessing.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
That's the blessing right there, man, Like I want to
know excuse me. My definition of success to me is
health and the smell you put.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
On people faces. Mm hmm. Well, how do you define
success to you? Good question? Success is wow, watching my
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daughter graduate from college? Cool?
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Nah, let's changed it because I'm about to start getting emotional.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Nah nah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Make it funny for you, because success to me, I
watched my son graduate, but I ain't a graduated. Just
ask me to help him get a job. So it's like,
hold on how much success is?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Hold on a little bit of success? Like that sucks
right now? Like we need to find sess now, Like it's.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Outside of the like music for me, Like it's like
me as a man, me as a father, you know
what I mean, just watching my daughter grow up from childhood,
you know, like me two inches from almost not being
able to watch her whole journey from a child to
an adult because I could have lost my life.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Just to see her graduate from college, that's a blessing,
you know what I mean? And with high with high
honors and all of that, and and and actually moving
to her own place and continue school and go to
grad school to finish to get her masters.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Man, that's the success. I like, that's what That's what
success is for me watching my daughter and that's what
it is. Man. But now I know that you got
a daughter.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
That graduated school, that moved out, did all that, So
you one more name on my list for therapy.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Cause my daughter is seven. All I'm doing is buying guns.
Every year, I'm buying a new gun. Bro.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Let me tell you, i'ma be honest with you. Blieve
your daughter seven years old. I'm gonna keep the straight.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
G with you.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
You got about four years it's over. No, i'm'a give
you six six.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Five, five by five, I give you five by tashi twelve.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's over. It's gonna hurt. I know who blink is
gonna hurt. She ain't beat for daddy no more. I
know she ain't gonna be beat no more. Yo, She's
gonna have her own little circle of friends. Dude, you're
gonna be a rap man. I heard this though before,
when when I first met my wife and my son,
was like.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
They come back though, Yeah. My son was like.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Six years old when I first met my wife, and
she was like, damn, that's dope. The relationship you got
with your son. She was like, you better enjoy that
because it's like five six years.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
All that hanging out with daddy on the weekend. He
gonna be like, Pop.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I'm with my friends. Can we hang out next weekend?
And then next week it go turn into I forgot
that And that's how it is today. I gotta call
him to be like, Yo, what's something homie. You ain't
checking out Pop's doing? He called me, and.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I know, yep, that's what tapping. He wants that. Zem right,
that's all they be wanting. He want that zam nah man. Man.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I appreciate you pulling up man, Like I.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Said, Bro, you've been a staple the Rockefeller.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Without you, it wouldn't have been the direction I think
I went in my career.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
You played a major role in.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
My life, not only as a friend, as a label mate.
You know, the shows, everything we've been through, the tours,
and to see what you're doing now, Bro, I commend
everything you do.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I appreciate that, you know, and I want to be
like me and Bleak wasn't in communication before he even
stayed in my name on that breakfast club.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
We weren't even in carge.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
This was just genuine, genuinely just mentioning me and giving
me my flowers. And I'm like, super like grateful for.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
That man, man, And that's why when you hit me,
I'm like, Bro, you got to pull up the rock
solid man like Bro, That's what this platform is for. Man,
Brothers like you myself, the ones who stayed the same,
never waving.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
You know, we shot.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
The shot might have not hit the target, but it
landed somewhere. Like I said, when there's wet weather, it's
one or one million.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Job was done.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Because when you first started rapping, Bro, you ain't think
nobody was you know, we ain't wasn't guaranteed exactly. So
they even accomplished ten people, twenty people like yo that.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
You won my gene.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I appreciate that word up man, and I'm glad to
see you still doing your thing, my brother.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Let them know where they could find you. We're giving
a good word at on the beat.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Like I said, I got six albums that's on iTunes. Man,
Just look under brother has hwes is spelled h a HZ.
It should be spelled on on the YouTube channel. Anyway,
we're gonna We're gonna have it spelled. Don't worry. We
got a little bit of brad on here. Now we're
gonna put your name under you.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
So brother has on all platforms, Brother Underscore, highs on,
I g follow me, follow me on Facebook and yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
That's about it man. And I'm working on my last album.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Last album is called I hope this helps look out
for that in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
That's gonna be a big record, big big record. Come on,
let me get a verse.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I think I got some little bit of I got
a little bit of righteousness to talk a little something.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I'm not gonna go gangster in them. I'll give him
some righteous regular freestyle, no curses. You got something you
got yeah? Okay go nah not right now? No, I
got it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Like you said, I gotta be thought with souls, right,
you got strategic. I won't be the soul Statua want
be the soul hitler.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yo. And with that being said, that's a rat man.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
We appreciate Douce always being the sponsor holding us down.
We appreciate drink Champs Black Effects, our Heart and I
definitely appreciate my brothers at Home Team.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Let me get the church mad Yo.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
He turned into wine May. We're doing the same we
over had Home Team. You need them fresh kicks, You
need that drinp pull up the home ting.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yes, sir, don't be scared of Dykeman though it's rock solid.
We outside Yeah. Peace.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you listen to your favorite shows at and
you can follow me on any social media platform under
the name Memphis Bleach.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
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