September 9, 2025 • 55 mins
Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek.
This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Cam’ron — Harlem’s own Cam’ron pulls up for an unfiltered conversation that’s as legendary as it is overdue. From his early days running the streets of Uptown to becoming one of hip hop’s most charismatic and trendsetting figures, Killa Cam holds nothing back. He breaks down his journey from Children of the Corn to the Diplomats takeover, the pink mink era that changed fashion forever, and how his clever wordplay made him one of the most quotable rappers in the game.
But this ain’t just a trip down memory lane—Cam talks the real business moves that kept him independent-minded, the hustle behind Dipset’s legacy, and how he continues to reinvent himself in today’s culture with ventures beyond music. He and Bleek swap untold Roc-A-Fella stories, laugh about tour life, and reflect on the highs, lows, and everything in between.
Whether it’s Harlem pride, Dipset energy, or Roc family ties, this episode is pure gold for the culture. Cam’ron’s wit, humor, and honesty shine through, reminding fans why he’s one of the most influential voices of his era.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Piece of the planet, Charlamagna God here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Before we get into today's episode, we've got to celebrate
the Black Effect Podcast Network. It's turning five years old, man,
five years of powerful voices, unforgettable moments in the community
that keeps growing.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the power of the platform. Now let's get
into it. What up, y'all? This is your main man,
Memphis bleak right here.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the
Black Effect Network and partnership with my gods over at
Drink Champs Big with the year Memphis.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm back at it, niggas. Notice the difference. Just pron
pressy no stones. Yeah, y'all you already know what it is.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Back with yours truly another episode of Rock Solid and
you like, like I tell you, man, if you're on
this platform, it's two things. One you my brother. Two,
you've always been silent and this man saying right here
been both things since the beginning, even through the drama,
he stays silent.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome, my g l thank you for man than you
having me g everything good man, blessed ye.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Let's see you fucking winning, winning on winning.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm so happy for you likewise, it is what it is,
is moving. Then you came up with the fleet talk
hot what made you get into this space like the
pod world and all that.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So, so to be honest with you, first of all,
thank you and congratulations to everything you gotta go around
to because appreciate. We was just talking before we started filming,
and you got a bunch of shit going on, and
I didn't know about appreciation.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And that's what it's really about. Growing.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But as far as the pad space is concerned, this
would happened to be totally honest with you. It wasn't
about the pod. It was about this, this straight up honesty.
Nor He kept asking me and shout out to Normy. No,
that's my brother, so he kept you know, me and
Nori is damn near neighbors in Miami. Like Norri literally
(01:57):
lives ten blocks away from me in Miami. So I'm
bumping into Norriy. He like, do the show Kenned your
drink Chimps And I'm like, I don't know. I don't
feel like doing drink Champs. I don't want to do
drink Champs And he like, yo, dude, because Norby so Norri,
it is my brother so I'm gonna be straight up honest.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, but we was doing it.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
We had a situation, not necessarily Norri, but the niggas
he used to be with, had a situation in the
streets with me and some of my niggas to where
I felt Norrie was part of that. And so I
never really had a problem with Norri. But it's so
so let's say like this, I'm just give you an example,
(02:37):
and me and nor talked about it on the show.
So let's give an example.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Let's say me and you hanging out and I remember,
now I'm just gonna use this as an example because
I remember the name of your crew is get Low.
So the main nigga from Get Low outside of you,
was talking shit about me and then tried to get
one of my niggas on my team to come at me.
So I'm like, I said, thank that nigga in a
fight for then, I like, these niggas kind of dangerous,
(03:03):
the niggas now used to be with, but we kind
of debted it. So me and Norwy after that, I'm like,
I can't. I don't know if I could trust Bleak
like that, because niggas don't got niggas and you and
you don't. You never said nothing to me about it.
Decent that you be with so me and and we
good everything I'm talking about me and Noya you can do.
(03:24):
But Goods always hesitant to do it. But it was
dope because we discussed it on his show.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You know what I'm saying. I was like, I told him.
I was like, nor yeah't trust He's like, come on man,
I was like, it was dope.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It was a dope moment. So shout out to Norri.
But to be totally honest with you, the reason that
I did it was because I have a product. It's
called Pink Horsepower.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
So that product is that it was doing really well
for me. And when I went on Norriy's show, Drink Champs,
the product did like seven hundred percent more than what
I was doing on my own. I'm like, hold on, hold,
hold the fuck on, yeah, hold on there we may
we wan four hundred this week off, just off nor
(04:07):
Rey show. I need to see what's going on. So
then shot like shot nooy. So then I went on
a million dollars worth of game. Shout out to Gilly
and Wallow as well, a million dollars worth for game,
and the same thing happened. I put the product on
the show, shit zoomed up six seven hundred percent. So
(04:27):
I'm sitting there saying, hold on, man, what's going on?
How this is a commercial podcast?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So I went back to Wallow and I'm like, yo,
I want to pay you to put this on the
show every weekend. While I was like, no, Cam, don't
work like that. We already you come up here, sell
what you want, but we already have a deal with
other people that's in the same lane issue. And then
he started breaking it down to me, shout to Wallow
because Wallow she is information like a motherfucker. And he
(04:55):
explained to me he liked, naw, this sponsors our shoulder,
This sponsors our show, This sponsors our show this month.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm like, oh, this is big fucking business.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You know what I'm saying after myself, I'm going to
do my own show, and I'm gonna make it about sports.
The reason I made it about sports is because I'm
sitting there arguing with my niggas on the.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Phone every day about sports.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Any at my phone one day shot with my man
sin City, I look at my phone one day and
the ship said two hours and forty seven minutes, and
we was arguing the whole time about sports. So I'm like, man,
I'm gonna give this shit a shot. So I shot
a few episodes. My mom got six, so I took
(05:37):
off for a while. I invited Mace on the show, like, yo,
come be a guest that Mace liked the vibe and
he don't like nothing, and so he said, would you
want to be partners? I'm like, hell, yeah, let's do it.
And we shot about thirty five episodes. We shot liked
eight episodes. In office started coming in and we shot
about thirty five episodes, and then Underdog came in with
(05:57):
a big offer.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So that's how I went. Seeing yall niggas in suits
every day. I'm proud of your niggas. Yea good man,
talking ship and looking good.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That was the vision. That was the vision seat.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
When I first shot the show, people was like, Yo,
how is ESPN letting Kim come on here and curse
and do all that shit because the set So when
you have podcasts, right, that was my vision for I
shot it. You got niggas who do podcasts there in
the living room. They in the kitchen, they in the
fucking backyard.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Everything.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Then you got these sports shows to have great backgrounds
and productions and so on and so forth. But the
two worlds never met street talk versus professional setting.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So I'm like, I'm gonna build a set.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
You're gonna throw the suits on now, next thing you
fuck is up, nigga, next this track, fuck the Lakers.
Just so, now you're looking at a professional setting with
two niggas who just talk. So now, when niggas were
seeing it on the grind, like yo, what sports. Let
Kim and these niggas come on here talking like that, man.
But that was the vision, the professional setting meet the
(07:03):
podcast world to where it looks professionally dressed.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Great, but we still talking that ship. Yeah, man, shout
out because normal. He the reason why I'm doing it
right now. Bro gave me the major speech like bleak,
I'm telling you like you said, I saw the numbers
go up and.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was like, hold on, yeah, let me let me check
it out.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
When I when I was talking to Norri.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Prior to hold on a second, you might want to
tell them to be quiet a little bit so that
shit don't bleed into what we're doing Yo.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Keep it down cause we were good. I appreciate you.
Yeah see, I'll be on point. I'll be on top
of all that man where he was at.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, I was saying when Norri it was like Nory
was telling me all ship about uh can we could
do so caveall with the champagne. He had a lot
of vision and it was and it was dope. But
I was like, nobody doing the sports ship. So but
he definitely had vision. Nah, you definitely killed that man.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But I'm gonna take it back, man, because we got
to go back in the day because you know, people
only think when we sit down, it's about the drama, right,
I don't know before that bullshit rap beef, it was
we was.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Fast, We was riding the rams, was pulling up with Dame.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I me at the club with Jay Like that's what
I mean, like the Confessions of Fire cam man, Like
that's the cam I met.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You was moving out here.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You met Kim with no deal. It wasn't even Confessions
of Fire. You know what's crazy believe is that I
was actually talked about this on drink champs. So I
got kicked out of college at the beginning of nineteen
ninety five. You know, I know Dame Sonce I was
ten eleven years old. He'd always been running around say
I'm gonna do this, do this, do this, And I
was saying this is probably like four days five days
(08:46):
after I got kicked out of college, and I'm like,
I need to figure this shit out. I ain't gonna
go to school. I see Dame busting moves or whatever.
And I actually talked about this on drink Champs and
I was like, I remember going to meet.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I was with Damon.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
He was going to meet Jay and Tata and it's
a plot used to be called Jackson Hole. Oh yeah,
that come on kidding me, right, So I go meet,
I go meet. I'm with Dame. He goes meet them,
you know, tires with a girl. Jay is with a girl.
And I'm fucked up. And you know, Dave always had
(09:19):
some money whatever. So I'm just sitting there. I'm at
the point like this bleak to where I'm like, you know,
they teld me get full. I'm like, I hope I
don't got to pay for this because I don't even
know if I had ten dollars at the time. I'm
fresh kicked out of college in my grandmother house. And
when the bill came, Tatar pulled out this big ass
not I think I heard you say, and he paid
(09:42):
for it. And I'm like, you don't know how old TASiS.
You don't know if he's my age, you don't know
if he old age, right, But I'm just saying at
that moment, I'm thinking, it's a nigga my age who
got this much money? Like what do I gotta get
to it. It's times where you might not remember. I
know we talked about penns State, but it was yeah,
but it was a show. You guys did it at
(10:03):
the Castle in the Bronx.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, I was at that show. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
When I used to hear coming to age and see
what you guys was doing, I said, I gotta get
to it. So even Confessions of Fire Kim you may
not remember, but I remember all of that, to the
Castle de Penn States, to where I didn't have a
deal yo, and niggas trying to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm gonna ask you some off the wall ship right
now because it's real, right, And Yo, the baseline days
we was all cool, right. I heard you speak about
many times you, Jim all, y'all talk about like what
the difference was while y'all you know when a jay
and how shit went like that.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My question to you, though, one why y'all niggas shipped
on me?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
On me? What did I say about you? Let me
niggas used to go. You was gunning at everybody that
used to be sitting there, like, Yo, niggas just was
my man, we gambling and base. Give me an example
of what you talked because I never remember watching the interview.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It was something y'all was on this when the DVDs.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Was heavy, and Yah, niggas was like yeah, and that
nigga bleak too, he could get It was you, Jim
and sitting in.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And I'm sitting there, I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I understand niggas got their boss beef, you know, it's
it's always behind the scenes, red tape ship. But I'm
sitting there like, why niggas this keep it on a hundred.
If you want to point out this scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I can't. I can't. It was just it was just
rat bullshit. But no, no, I just always wanted to
ask you that, like what I do. I never had
a pub with you. So my thing was this and
I'm just telling you, like I said, this all water
under the bridge about me and you never had a never.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So when I got when I got him, like I said,
you explain a lot just being Jay's friend. You know
what I'm saying, And even with your interviews are laughing shit,
I'm like this, this is the way this nigga, you
know what I'm saying, even like what we talked about
on my show or heard so even like to the
lobby for a spot on my album, like I should
never even work left out my mind when your nigga
said lobby for a spot like not y, I ain't
(11:59):
here to get a spot young, I'm not here to
Libby for a spot on your album. One never went out.
But I want to answer your question, is that So
the way I felt was this, And I never had
a problem with you. If I said I probably was
just all mixed up. But I never had found with you.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That's what I was saying, like we never had nothing.
The whole thing is the way. So it was a
few things just for me.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
When I came to Rockefeller, I was at the point
where I'm like, I'm coming into a scenario to where
this is already laid out, this is done, these niggas
is up. For me to even be a part of
this is a big move for Dame. Even bringing me in.
I'm very happy. So I always was like, and I'm
(12:43):
exaggerating when I say this, but I'm like almost a slave,
Like can I hold the door for you?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Your niggasm the store?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You was definitely grind when you first came around for
I never take that away.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Right, And so I just, you know, everything I did
was like we're not gonna fuck this up. And then,
like I said, I just didn't know Jay's personality and
it was a time. I'll give you an example, right,
I had Kse Slay in the studio and they told
me that I ain't know if I tell you, And
Jay was like, Yo, be careful you bringing in here
because what if I would have slapped the ship out
(13:16):
the nigger And I'm like, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Know rest of beast.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Case. That's that's the That's another thing about Slay that
I respected, Like him and Jay had their differences, but
Slay always fucked with me, you know what I mean.
A mixtape together introduced me to Pat when Pat first
was coming up, you always let me come on to
bring my artists up the freestyle. So I always respected
that about Slay, Like he never threw me into the
politics of what they had going on.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But I didn't know. But I knew kse Slay had
the drama our. He's playing all the Dish records. But
it wasn't like he would play NAVES records and not
play J records. But I was like, if you play
NAS records, don't play last year whatever. I didn't know that,
so everything I did was like just basically, uh, trying
(14:06):
to just make sure that I'm good. It was even
a point where, like I said, the reason we did
the New York City record, I guess you know people's feeling.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The way Old Boy came out. It was doing good
and Jay put me back.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
J J put me to side, and baselines like, Yo,
I don't know if it's tension not tension, just that
I want to let you know, YO, were good, you're
doing your thing.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I said, well, if just gotta beat up right man,
he gotta be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Man, I look back at hindsight and be like, damn
if what if if it never happened?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It's always gonna be that. But one thing I could say,
even through the drama, like I'm gonna be all the
way honest with you because you know you one nigga
I respect because you had a lot of drama in
this game and you stood on all ten.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now you never.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like but you know when you when you don't up
with a rapper, you know his music just become like
about that. Absolutely, I ain't gonna front when you dropped
suck it or not.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I hated you. I was like, yo, this, how is
it gonna make this record when this drama? He'soking this before? Listen?
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I said in the interview with you one time and
they was you was reading some of my lyrics and
he was like, man, I don't know about this bullshit.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And just do and this ship out. You know how
much bullshit I was hating, but I was that it
was not it had to be that. I understand. You
have to you have to be where you had to
be in that team. Like that was a little tension. Man.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I'm glad we put that behind each other to see
y'all at the what was it the B Sides two concert?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Man? That was that was all for the city. That
was big.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
That was super dope, man, Like I said Jim. I
think Jim was working on Rock Nation at the time.
And then one called me that me and Jay spoke
and he spoke after that, and that was it was
a dope moment just the show. Like my niggas, I
never had a problem. It was always like like you
said on my show when niggas said that president.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Shit, Yo, that changed everything over.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And I'm gonna be honest with you on some g
shit I ain't saying on your show because I want
you to come here for me to say it. But
you know, I call Hole. I'm the one who called him.
It was like, Yo, my nigga, the fuck is going
on up here? How nigga's gonna make Cam the president?
Me and Beans been here for this law?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
What's uping? J like, Nigga, I'm on the boat.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
What you mean?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
What's going on? He like, Yo, call Dame.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So I put him and Dame on the phone, and
him and Dame had words. I ain't gonna say what
they said because that's between them, but they had some
words and Jay was like, I sween. Jay started saying,
Jovey's home the global phone word. I'm like damn man
when he came home that swing shit just went upside down. Bro,
I can't imagine speaking on Jim. I heard you say
on your show, You're like, Yo, what's up with you
(16:54):
and Beans? It's the same I feel with you and Jim, Bro, like,
I need y'all to fix that. Do you think that
can ever be fixed?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Look to me, when it goes to the diplomat shit, right,
it's like.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
The Williams, the Williams brothers from the other side of
the projects, like you know, yo, the Smith stuff, niggas
be bugging the diplomat thing. To me is like it's
no matter what. At one particular time, nobody was bigger
than the group.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And I remember Dame saying that. Dame was like, Yo,
Cam I got because what happened is this, I got
a fucked up deal, epic. I had to get the
death Jam. When I got the Rockefeller, I started maneuvering
like I was in a funked up situation. So when
I'm trying to get Jim on Joelle's I remember I'm
fighting for Jim. Nobody believed Jim was a rapper. I'm like, Yo, nah, Jim,
(17:47):
You're gonna direct my videos. Jim, motherfucker, you gonna wave
with the deal, this down and the third. Basically I'm
fighting for all of us. So I remember I started
getting the Diplomat mixtapes and the shit was hot, and
Dame was like, Cam, you might want to solw that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Damn these niggas. You know, if you put you out,
wait a while for the Diplomat. So therefore then it's
not the same thing. I'm like, nobody got tied away.
Y'all be in a comfortable situation, right. All my niggas
been fucked up. The last three albums were trying to
get on.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
So even like with Jim, I didn't get him this
first deal at Cotch, like I I got the single
part of me the artist deal in Rockefeller. I went
to Kevin Lows and le Or to get the joint
venture deal for Joel's and uh, the Diplomat album. Then
Dame just came and started flipping talking about you ain't
doing no deal with Cam. If I would have came
(18:37):
and at you for this deal, you would have told
me no. So I ended up going through Rockefeller death
Jim for Diplomats and Jewel's when it was just gonna
be diplomat death Jim. Oh wow, Yeah, but dame flipping
out on Kevin and Kevin I remember sitting there, He's like, dang,
I don't make money off albums. I get paid a salary.
I don't give a those through June for depth Jim whatever,
(19:03):
But back to the diplomat thing. Look, I always wish
Jim the best. I hope he does well. He came
a long way, you know what I'm saying, Frank, Yeah,
And that's what I'm saying, y'all, Bros, I want to
tell you someth I'm talking about. Just from not being
my man, y'all realized this is my man who could
wrap it, turned into my hate man. It turned into artists,
(19:25):
director videos. So his hustle is impeccable far as me
far at the diplomat. Yeah, question is this though, You
got to think about this, Bleak. We put out our
first mixtape probably two thousand and one, four years ago. Yeah,
the album came out two thousand and three. So you
sit there and you sit there and say, okay, two
(19:49):
thousand and one to let's say we broke up two
thousand and seven, even if you give it two thousand
and eight got a six seven year run. Music is
just so powerful, the logos still, people just love it.
First reunion I'm talking about after we broke up got back?
What level was in twenty ten?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
First reunion show we did if we can't get it together.
Now it's been two down ten to twenty twenty five.
So the reunions and arguments and fighting has been fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The run was only seven years.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
We got fifteen years of disputes longer than the run.
The run was seven years. The disputes is going on. Taffan, Yo,
we'll get together here and there, this, that and the third.
But the thing about it is this, and I'm being honest,
is that the last scenario that we went to me
and gym was school. And I take responsibility for it,
but I was that serious. There was a time where
(20:43):
Jim had did a show at fifty and I think,
I think that right when I think the way fifty
answered the question got Jim mad. But I'm sitting there
saying to myself, I think and me on the time,
me and you on right now we can't talk about all.
We can't talk about what the way fifty innswer the
question it got Jim mad, and it riled him up,
(21:04):
and he went on tangent for four or five six months.
Still to this day, I guess he's still upset. But
I didn't mean militia out of it. I really want
to know how this nigga, How did you get niggas
to go fuck with you and me and you beefing
and me and Joell's and Jim not saying we was beefing,
but we wasn't on the same page. So it's a
real question for me. And you know, Jim got mad
(21:27):
about it and still upset to this day about it.
But I'm never gonna say never. But the end of
the day, if you got to think about it, it
disputes the arguments. The reunions is fifteen years old years
old and the run was seven years old. I don't
know if it could never go right. You know, he
got records thising me earlier this year. Whatever I do,
(21:49):
I don't really pay no more people send it to me.
But you got to think about it. He put a
friend a song called out Front of Me. He's in
like two thousand and eight, seventeen years of dish records
towards me.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I don't give a fuck, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
It's the same way with Beans. Beans got dis records,
this and me and all that, and it's like, I
don't know where niggas coming from. But at the end
of the day, like when the lights cut off, the
music cut off, everything cut off, I can never.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Erase what was right exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But it's time for niggas to definitely embrace what is
exactly you know what I'm saying, And that's what I'll
be saying. The niggas like the best thing, the best thing,
And it's totally different scenarios. But you talked about it.
I didn't even see the interview. I've seen the clip. Yeah,
when they asked you if if niggas is ever gonna
speak again, and like the line with Dame, I feel like, yeah,
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there's a line that was crossed. Like Beans, ain't go there.
I understand what you like, we get on the phone,
I'm gonna pick up the phone to night, like you
know what I'm saying. But I feel like between them,
I don't even have to ax Jay. It ain't even
like Jay said it to me. It was like, Nah,
niggas is done. I ain't never, I just know knowing him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
But the reason I brought that out it is it
isn't even about because like Bigs my big bro to
shout out the bigs.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, shout out bigs. Definitely, yes, Oh yeah, that's my
big bro. So it's like it's like this for instance, right,
and that's what I'm saying. Right, I built a few
different entities that's doing well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Unless Jay feels like being nostalgic or whatever, you're not,
you're gonna see those hats that you wear. It ain't
We could go Rockefeller every five, six, seven, eight years.
But this is what we pumping right now exactly. So
it's never not a problem to feel nostalgic and reminisce.
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But if you do too much of that reminiscent and
just base everything you doing on for what the past was,
you're just gonna sound like a nigga with a bunch
of stories and you old and biddle and so on
and so forth. For me, it's about still creating and
moving forward and making sure that when I do talk
about old shit, we're gonna talk about what's nail too.
(24:03):
It's right, because it's great to have memories and talk
about everything. But imagine if the nigga hole would just
be talking about Yo.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Remember.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Hey, you don't remember, Hey, y remember when we was
in two? Nah, we can talk about that, But this
is what I got going on today. I just sold
the company for forty eight, four hundred and eighty million.
You get what I'm saying. That's what it's about. He's
not wearing Rockefeller I had so every day he's not.
You understand, He's moved on. And to me, that's what
it's really about. I love to reminisces and love to
(24:34):
have for it. But if that's all we talking about
and I can't do yeah, I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
No, I feel you. Bro. It's the same with the
Rockefeller shit. I'll be on that. They Yo, let's do
the Rockefeller shows, and it's like, bro, I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
No more Rockefeller right exactly. It's just like what we're
doing it right, even make no sense?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Right, and everybody not going and no respecting nobody out
there like that, Nobody gonna not go keep themselves in shape.
Everything like everybody, some niggas looking slopped and still got.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm a train.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'm trying to get back type yeahs like uh yeah,
you know what I say, looking at niggas like damn
fan exactly. Now that's a fact, bro. So I wonder
we was talking off camera, but how you feel about music?
Would there ever be another camera project?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
You know? It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So I deal with different people on different things, and
they asked me for albums all the time. I just
think the landscape is different, the tensions. The tension span
is shorter album. Good album, come out, that should lasts
two three months, graving no weeks. I'm talking about when
we was coming out now yeah yeah, yeah, nineties, early
two thousand, great album, two three months.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You gotta run.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's a great album. Today just what you said, two
weeks and that's a great that's a great that's a
great album. So mom, I gonna put my hallwork hallwork
in and get to weeks. I put out a single.
You put out single once every few months. Let it bubble.
See what happened?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Like me, I was toaring off the same catalog from
twenty eleven to twenty nineteen til COVID. I was on
tour when COVID hit same catalog. So I'm sitting this
saying That's when I realized, like the music we made
was a great time. Because I'm still doing Ampu Theare
that's fifteen hundred and twenty five hundred shit for seven
eight years straight, same catalog. I threw new shit out
(26:27):
here and there, But it don't make sense now. If
I did a project, for instance, like I did Purple
Haze two, it's more of a mixing than the album.
But I toured it with my album my you know,
my catalog, and I sold out every venue. But the
dope thing about that is this. So I was seeing
(26:47):
people online talking abou Kim. I didn't get the new
mixtape yet, but I'm gonna cop it the night and
by the time I get to your show Friday, I'm
gonna every word. So now you don't gotta go to
Tower Records. You ain't gotta go to HMV. Nigga unloaded
the day before the show and they in tune. So
I think that part is dope. But for me, if
it ain't. When niggas touring and making money off merchant,
(27:10):
there's so many aspects to go into doing music. Just
to put a song out here and there, it's not
worth it for me. If I could put it in
a movie, a TV soundtrack, whatever, cool, but to do
an album, not just doing albums to put it out.
They're not gonna sell what they used to sell. And
I'm not touring and selling merch behind it. The money's
not worth it for me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I feel you. I figured another way out to get
seventy two thousand dollars. You know what I'm saying, Jail,
I feel you on that one thing.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I feel you never got credit on Like a lot
of these new artists is into the merch, but you've
been into the merch since day one, Bro, And I
feel like we've been overlooked for that. Like I've been
sitting back and always trying to feel like, how the
fuck this nigga always got a hat, always got a jackets,
he's got the hoodies, like, but you've always been like
one of the niggas who started instill on the merch vibe. Man,
(27:59):
like you pioneered that shit for some of the East
Coast artists. For sure, I appreciate it. To be honest
with you, I ain't gonna lie like I pioneered it.
I see Wu Tang, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I've seen Wu tank thing I've seen RockA well like
I may, whether me and you hung out or not.
I was I soaked in a lot from roc Rockefeller
and watching, you know, Jay and Dane get one hundred
and twenty million dollar check for RockA with watching Dame
by prokads. You know what I'm saying, Watching, I'm like, Yo,
(28:32):
hold on, niggascas nine digit checks off this. I didn't
even still didn't get there, but I was students other
than like right now, Wu Tang you know, shou out
the power too from Wu Tang.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Them Nigga's still grabbing eight diggits a year off the march.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know what I'm saying, Woo shirts is all over
the world exactly, so what I and then you think
about it when you young, when you were younger and
wanted to be rapper, I remember going to Canal Street
and getting the chain that Eric in Parish had with
for EPMD or I want the fishermen hat like them
niggas had, or I want to dress like yo the
Niggah Grand Pooba got in a nice polo like I
(29:12):
want to dress like rappers. So when it was my turn,
I'm like, I gotta make niggas want to dress like
me or be like me because you can have the best.
That's one thing that a lot of people don't realize.
You could be the best lyricists in the world. But
do a nigga want to be like you? That is,
do a nigga want to be like you? You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
So people don't understand those dynamics, like you don't have
to be the best rapper. But some niggas got swagged, like,
for instance, I give you a great example and there
is no dispect what I would say before. You know,
niggas be like, you're being disrespectful to me. And I'm
not saying he can't rap. I'm just saying out the
group Griselda right to me, the best lyricists in Gazelder
(29:55):
is whether you like Benny or or Conway and and
west Side is dope too, but I think those two
are better lyricists. But you want to be like west Side.
West Side he got the sneakst he's in Paris, he
got the New Louis, he got the You know what
(30:16):
I'm saying. I'm not saying he can't rap. I'm saying
he's a great rap. I'm just saying, if you in
that group and you're picking the best lyricists, you're picking
the best lyricists.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
If you picking who you want to be, like, if
you're a young nigga coming up, this is the nigga
I want to be like.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And that's what.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
If you could capture both, you won. Now that's a fact.
Earth got the recipees. Earth got it. He said that
to me back in the days. Man like Yo, if
you're not somebody people emulating don't want to be, then
you're not doing the right thing that matters. That's a fact, yo.
So what's next for my g cam Man? What's on
the horizon?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Bro ship?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, I don't know. I mean, I got a lot
of shit. See a lot of things is like this bleak.
It's like a lot of people don't see the shit
that don't work.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That's right. Everything everything I do don't work. They think
everything that's the ship. They think. You don't think we
try aunt ship.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Hunted joints and you do throw a hundred different things
at the wall to stick.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
That's right, Like my nigga, it's everything don't work. So
I can see and tell you what I'm about to
try to do. I can see him be like, Yo,
you know I want to I want to open up
a dance studio for dances, and you know what I'm exaduating.
But I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Everything we got the we got the clubs.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We want to fuck around because we're about to open
up these strip clubs in West Palm, Miami. We just
opened up one up one out here. So if you
want to suck around, thing that makes sense investment wise.
I got some money.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I got the money man.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
The one thing that's definite that's coming up and probably
hopefully this air by time. But October ninth, I got
a comedy show at the Beacon Theater. D Ray Davis,
Corey Holcom, Tony rock On, Jay Farrell shout to Ray Ray,
Will Will Mills shout the Outback Presents for putting it
(32:04):
together with you. But yeah, I'm doing a comedy show,
my first comedy show, called the Killer Comedy Show October
knife at the Beacon Theater. So hopefully we'll see how
that goes and if we do that right, we already
laid out a tour for that if it goes right.
So that's the next mention I'm trying. That's dope, man,
that's dope.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Man, like to see this ship man comedy shows, talk shows,
you into everything.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
You got a book coming out too, Yeah, that's with that.
Yeah another, but it's a book called it isn't named Jed.
I just picked the right on the picture. But I'll
come back on the show again when it's south. That
probably ain't like April May or some shit like Now.
The book gonna be serious.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
They've been asking me to write a book forever, but
I keep telling them Jay's still active. Yeah, yeah, gotta
go away, yeah far away. Yes, he's gonna snipe me.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
If I put on What's Crazy? You know what's crazy?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's like and I know it's two different age guys,
my man sugar digger, And I'm not comparing myself to
jay Z neither. When I when I just be like,
he's like thirty five, thirty six. So when I be
home chilling like yo, it's always nah, it ain't over
a nigga, now, don't. I don't start trying to get
old on nigga. Were going out tonight gets nigga. So
I understand where you're coming from, but I ain't gonna
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hold you. It was a good it was a great
offer like I'm the bread.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, Nah, I hope that they ain't.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
He ain't, man, Bro, I've been trying to get He
ain't gonna do no book even let me do the
movie kidding me.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
The thing about the nigga Jay, my opinion is he's
been so great at being not not just a word
relevant scene, but mysterious. You know what I'm saying. He
don't gotta come talk about you figure it out. You
want to talk shit, all right, whatever, I don't care,
Go look at the next announcement that I make. So
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it's always a mystique and a mysteriousness behind him. But today,
like you don't see him no tack. He ain't never,
he ain't outspoken like that. Like that's another thing, Like
I ain't gonna front him. Nigga, fuck with you. You
be on the ass like I just seen you add little.
I'm this nigga making the honey rap songs about You're
like damn yo, bro, like I swear the guy. I
(34:06):
don't be wanting no problems yo with nobody. But what
I will say is just leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, just leave me your word.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
The Homie made a bunch of rap songs nigga sent
it to me. I'm like, oh man, I've seen that.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, it was fun for me. You know what
I'm saying that because he still was doing songs and
shout out. I don't got no problem with that, nigga,
like we straight too. But the thing about it is
like I made a mistake. So basically I was talking
about the beatless Black actors how it was fucked up
for them, and I called him Omar Good and Junior
and his brothers, his brother's cub and the nigga went on.
(34:47):
I apologized on my show, and that's how bad it was.
I was like, Yo, my bad, I'm sorry. I didn't
mean to do it. Did another song. I went under
his comments. I said, bro, I don't want no smoke.
Did another song.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm like, bro, I'm trying to be some different bro.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
The rap shit is crazy, man, and niggas is niggas
gotta start like I feel like we at the age now.
We was talking off camera where that rap facade that
that that shit gotta come.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It gotta come on, bro.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Bro, when niggas be like, when niggas be talking tough
and screaming all that, it's two things I'd be like
you pump faking, and then if you're not pump faking,
I feel sorry for yo.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
That's a fact. Forty or you let it go, Yo,
let it go, let it go. That's just I know.
Niggas can't be mad. You'd be like b less be
list actors, be less rappers.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Bro. I've seen the list where they had the fifty
worst rappers and I was on it. I was dying,
like damn, niggas true me, they put me on the list,
like damn. But then I just dropped the project, right,
and they dropped the new Whack fifty lists, so and.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
That ain't on it. So did I get myself off
the list?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Right?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Exactly? But see that's the thing about it too, it Blizz,
is that it's more like bro. It's like, for instance, right,
you gotta realize to a lot of people, a lot
of people, they grew up with you, us whoever, nas Jay, whoever.
(36:14):
So when you start doing shit that they grew up to,
they get mad. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo,
nine nigga, like you as my hero nigga, you know
what I'm saying, Like even like the Homeboy, the Omar
Gun shit I seen niggas in my comments tomorrow. No, Kim,
you gotta go back to them. I'm fifteen fifty two
year old men from Michigan. Nigga fucked that book and
(36:35):
nigga shit getting that booth.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And I'm like, yo, can't be serious. Yeah, but this
this shit niggas want because this is what they grew
up knowing you for. You not allowed to do, open
a restaurant. You're not allowed to go to West Palmer
and get the club, You're not allowed to run duce.
I know MeV bleak from being a rapper, and I
don't want them doing nothing else in my life but rapping,
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that's all. And niggas don't want They definitely try to
put you in the box, and it's on us definitely
to grow outside that box. That's what made me like
when the raps slowed down and it was like damn,
what's next? And I felt like, Damn, I gotta reinvent myself.
The raps ain't working, the shows ain't booking. I gotta
figure it out. So that's when I jumped on the
dud say and now like, niggas don't know bro that
(37:21):
reality pill. That's the really shit I think I ever
had to take in my life like my nigga because
remember you going in the back door getting booked at
these clubs, thirty forty grand to touch the stage. Now
I'm going through the front door with a bible, asks
you to buy something fright, look like a major major
like I fell down the ladder right and I had
to put the pride to the bottom. You can't get
(37:43):
it cracking, bro like, But a lot of niggas don't
know how to accept when it's over and it's something
you gotta pivot to something new.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Bro, you couldn't have said that better. It's man niggas.
This man niggas that don't know it's so.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's not the worst.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
That's the worst. Niggas don't know it's over. I'll be
seeing niggas day. I used to funk with, you know,
I wasn't gonna say fuck with people. I used to
do business as far as music concerned. They be a
little freestyle. Talking about niggas was hard. Now he's sitting
here podcasting and I'm sitting there like, I don't get
(38:21):
it easier to I could go right now and do
three four festivals.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Grab the break.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Why would I get on the plane, fly around, be
bothered with nigga and I could get yeah, risk your
life and be soned somewhere different.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I've seen it today, So I guess when I asked
you when you was on my show, I guess he's
just seen it today.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Choking no joke. Oh yeah, yeah, I did see something
from choking.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I swear to god, i've seen it today. And he
was like, carr My George find dah da da. I
thought you was a rapper. Now you podcasting what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm like, oh, yeah, I seen him say welcome to
my world. Like me, Yeah, I see that, And I'm like, bro,
I just I'm not trying to be like nobody. I
ain't see that, Paul.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
But I'm sitting there saying, Bro, if I go watch
sports and don't talk about it while, would they go
do that?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
That's the same what I'm saying. And another thing too,
this platform.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
You need personality to carry a show, bro, not anybody
get you sit there and talk and you want to
add them talk for fifty minutes.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
It's like, Huh, I lost money on investments for people
that I thought could talk.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Uh, huh, And they can't.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Just because you've been around music, don't mean you could
talk about music. Just because you've been around sports, don't
mean you could talk about sports. Just because you've been
around something and you have knowledge in that area, Coming
on this microphone in front of that camera and making
this sound good, that's a that's a totally different thing.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Fact, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
And like a lot of people think it's easy, it's
not easy being able to carry a show and keep
people entertained.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Absolutely, and you know, stay on, stay.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
On, courts man, because a lot of people I'm watching
this spit in this space, not shipping on a choke,
no joke or any other journalist. Get your money how
you gotta get it. But a lot of niggas choose
to dig the dirt right to live off that. And
it's like, right, it's more to us than just the bullshit.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Absolutely, and the thing about it that and you're right,
And I'm not just a true neither, but you're right.
Niggas need that and and and I'm not talking about
nobody when I say this, I'm just being clear. I
didn't understand how it worked at first, and then when
I figured it out, I'm like, no, wonder this niggas
sitting in his kitchen every week talking about it, nigga
(40:25):
because YouTube is sending this nigga checked, Oh this how
this shit work. And I'm not saying I will ever
do that. I'm not, but I just didn't understand why
niggas was in their basement talking about niggas. Then I
figured it after my sports I said, oh, this is
why these niggas is in a in a in a
white wall background.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
You can't see where they at.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Pictures exactly exactly there you go a hundred percent finding
the reason to beef with somebody.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
That's why when when nor He was telling me to
do this show, I was like yo, and no, like
I don't want to bring up no bullshit. I don't
want to do nothing. I don't want to be up
here talking about this to go viral, Like we all
real niggas, our story and who we are gonna go
viral just off the moves we make. And I want
to teach the niggas coming up, the young niggas that
after rap is still life. Absolutely you know what I'm saying.
(41:20):
Niggas think that you gotta rap forever, and it's like nah, dog,
I rap when I want to, cause it's.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Fun, right, absolutely, Like, look, let's think about this, and
I know we I keep using them, whether it's Nas
or jay Z. Jay Z's business and uh, when I
say business, his announcements. Brother, he's selling this or selling
that and making this and making that. You're not harassing
him to do an album. No, same thing with Nas.
(41:47):
Nas is just a little more quiet than jay Z
about his business. You gotta google and be scrolling like,
what the fuck you mean named? Nas made forty million
off the ring? You mean he caught a one hundred
and twenty million dollar bag off the farmer sutical company.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Just this is Nas tattoo shopping. You get what I'm saying.
Those are the moves that really matter. And until people
understand that, they're gonna think that this podcast whatever, because
they're not gonna be compared to because you gotta think
about these It's two time greats. People have arguments who
(42:22):
you like better than these two? But the business acremen
to where they both going right anxacty.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
But speaking about that j album, so you know I
drink champs, I said, Yo, Jay dropping the album that
nigga called me and you bleak in the last record
you heard of mind at the album dropping, I said, Nigga, we.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Chill, let's just call it with you. Nigga was like, yeah, man,
he was on the phone trying to see if Guru
was leaking some ship to me.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I'm like, nah, I can't. I can't tell them a
dog goo right exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
But see that's and I know y'all have a different die. Man.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
That's just another thing speaking to the level of business.
It was a time I don't I don't know if
four four four whatever album it was, and I know
one like one's a shout to one. One is just
another nigga that he'd been up since I was four
five years old, You know what I'm saying. So when
when you think about these these are two very smart businessmen.
(43:23):
So I don't, like, I'm not sure if it's four
for four what album it was, but the album was
platinum for it came out because it was in a.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Phone Yeah oh yeah, yeah, no, that was Blueprint three.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Whatever, these niggas got this ship. You forget it like that.
It makes you be like, yo, what am I doing
this for? You get what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (43:44):
If I'm not, If I've been doing music this long
and I ain't busting these type of moves, I need
to figure out something else to get around that. Even
if I'm not close, the reption I'm doing is not
comparing to buying getting teaming up with a phone company.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
In selling a million unity you shouldn't even drop is insane, Right, Yeah?
That was.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
That's when I'm like, I'll get.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
To a single, Assaul, when I get to that ship,
because if that made the moves, that made the move.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
No, I give you that for sure.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
What's your relationship with Santana Jewels?
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I just spoke to him a while, but you know
it's crazy Joel's I'll say three months ago He's We
spoke for a minute on text and he wanted me
to do a record for him. You know what I'm saying,
You want me to do it. He sent me the
record and you know it was good. I'm not saying
it wasn't good, but I'm like, we haven't done music
(44:41):
for so long. It gotta be a moment, you know
what I'm saying. And that record he sent wasn't a moment,
you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm not
really in the music space. If I do some shit,
I do some shit. But if me and you gonna
do a record, it got to be a real moment.
We haven't done nothing in a while. Like for us,
(45:02):
I give you a great example right this word to
everything I love. I ain't gonna name the companies or
whatever it's. You know, billion dollar companies. Call me, Yo,
we want to do this for Cam and with Cam,
call Mason. See if we want to do this, y'all.
Niggas do a freestyle, will give you X amount of
dollars yo. Or if you shoot a video for O company,
give you X amount of dollars. Or Yo, if you
(45:23):
pop up right now to so and so festival, we
got half a million dollars for you. So I'm like,
you know me, I ain't gonna hold you when we's
doing this deal that we up for this what it is. See,
that's why I can't argue with me. So I'm gonna
be totally all. I can't argue with the nigga. You
gotta realize he's a he coming from bad boys, so
(45:44):
he like I'm watching everybody else, I don't trust nobody.
I think we've been doing this show. September makes two years.
I think he just started trusting me and may yo.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I could get I'm ready. That's my brother everything, that's
my brother.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
So like when we're doing this deal, niggas is saying me,
I'm talking shout to rich climb in order niggas to
help you get rich.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
We climbing. I'm talking to Gilbert of readers. So the
deal is like.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Three million, four million. They's like, Kim, that's that's a
lot for the space right there for you da da dadah.
So I'm like maces and four I talk to everybody like, nah,
can we not doing that? I'm not signing for four million.
I'm like, maceon this is like we have experience in this.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Damn. I can't do nothing. That's eight eight digits. I
just can't do it.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And I'm like, so now this should get up to
six million, seven million, eight million, I said, Mace, just
as I heard of like Off the Rip, off the rip.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
If you want to get it cam, if you want
to give up, uh, you take three million and I
take six That's fine with me, but it has to
be there. So then the ship get eight nine million,
you get the ten million, say your nigga eight. I
(47:14):
didn't say they're low eight. They just Cam, Yo, shit shit,
just work it out, promise on everything. I love. Just
just like this, just like that. He's like, so it
went up, It went up again. I said not. I say, look,
I'm telling you this right now.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
If this don't go through for this amount x amoundred dollars,
you owe me eight million dollars. Ye, word out, Okay, right,
gonna wait. And we waited about another two months and
he got the number that he wanted.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So Nail. Everything else is now Cam, you're selling us
out again, Yo, I love Yo know.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Biggs is like that. Biggs is the same way. What
we ain't getting what we asking for, we ain't doing
it right. So now it's different shit to where he's like,
I said, Mace, they got two hundred and fifty thousands,
and on a situation like that, Cam is four hundred
for us. At a moment, we're doing sports together, but
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we haven't had a musical moment.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Would I take that? Why would you take it? You
got it? I said, Mace. Bro we getting older. I
just I said, we haven't done a song in thirty years.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
It's a moment, right, we need the money for the moment.
It has to be a cam in Mace moment, so
I can't argue with them. So back to the Jewel
situation when he sent me the record. I'm not putting
it on the same level as Mace, but it gotta
be a moment, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I
functionate with Santana Jewel, I mean Cam, I mean fucking
(48:52):
Juels and Gym out there doing it. Got the bud moving,
the music movingly. I just would love to see the
dip set together. Like I don't like to see the
bullshit back and forth on line. I'm not and that's
why I respect that you don't go back and forth
when with ship like that, because that's how I am.
I'm watching say it's like you, fam, I can't say
(49:13):
nothing because then it's just gonna be your turn, my turn.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
Let me tell you something, Bro. Not to cut you off, Blizz,
but it's like this, we just talked about it. You
be playing with me online. I'm gonna play at you online.
They say something about me, I ignore it because I don't.
I don't want to do that with them, Nigga. I
love you get Yeah, Like Bro, and mia. Unspoke after that.
But the thing about it, what happened when Un was
(49:38):
was that he did an interview on Flag and he
said some ship Dame and Jay and Caim like Steve Stout,
they want me out the industry. And I'm like, yo, bro,
where this came from. I'm like, you gave me a chance,
Biggie took me to you.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I have no problem with you. So I called a
mutual friend. Shout to Jacob York. You know what I'm saying.
And he told he told yoll, tell Cam, I'm just
trying to move to algorithm.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yo yo yo.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
I was just like yo, not he wanted to move
everything I love. He said, tell Cam, I'm just trying
to move algorithm. So we spoke after that. I ain't
no problem. And I'm like, I, Dick, ain't no problem.
We spoke, I see nothing. I went to Jacob house, this,
that and the third. And I'm not putting nigg in
the business out there, but Nigga last for the last year.
I'm saying, ain't go four thousand, twenty five hundred this
(50:38):
that whether he needed or not, we won't get there.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I was doing that. That's right.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
You know what I'm saying. So then the other day, yo,
cause niggas only see the clips I put up. They
don't see the whole shit. I don't know if you've
seen the interview.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
I just see the clips.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
So listen, I ain't gonna say who sent it to me.
I'll tell you off the camera. So the nigga not
gassed me, but he sent me the clip. He said,
go to the five minute mark.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Camp. So they asked the nigga. They say, yo, did
jay Z stab you?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
This? That and the third?
Speaker 4 (51:18):
So he's like, and why did he stab you? I
definitely didn't see this part. Yeah, So he says, uh,
Jay didn't stab me. You know somebody that entorized. We
won't get into. But they're like why, and it's like
it could have been a bunch of reasons why it
was a bunch of reasons. Why Who knows? He said,
(51:38):
So now pause that what I just told you this.
When I'm signing to UN, were in the studio had
a song called fuck You. We're rehearsing that song for
a show. It's me, he said, Mace, but I know
he meant Jim. Mace wasn't there with Jim and all
(51:59):
un niggas from Brooklyn, the staff, the you know, everybody
in there. So we rehearsing. Dain't come in at this time.
While we were rehearsing, and the song fuck you, and
we kind of like fuck you, fuck you you kind
of like pointing the dame. And to this day, I
don't know why, you know what I'm saying, but you know,
(52:20):
dang crazy dame dolo. They ain't walk in the middle
the whole ship like, yo, fuck y'all niggas too talking
about you. So he's like the song went off, so
he like, yo, Kim, let me talk to y'all. So
he's bringing out side. He said, you don't do that
no more. He said, you've got these Brooklyn niggas thinking
that we ain't united Harlem niggas.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
What the fuck is that about?
Speaker 4 (52:41):
And I'm like, I don't even know what it was about.
The song was on niggas, I said, y'all he made
me feel like shit. I felt like shit, you know
what I'm saying. I was like, my bad bro cool
boom Back to un Un tells this story on the
all the dialogue shit the other day. Well, well, Kim
and Jim and them niggas Macy says walked in and
(53:01):
started screaming fuck you with dame when he walks in,
and then three four days later, I'm stabbed.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
So I don't know ship bro.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Saying everything, I love my nigga and I'm like so
he like dang put the hit out, basically called his artist.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yo fair man. I didn't even put that clip up
something bro? What yo Bro? What amplicated me?
Speaker 3 (53:32):
And day?
Speaker 1 (53:34):
And why niggas know exactly why that ship went that? Yeah? Yeah,
So I'm just believe he said it was because y'all
was saying. He said, those could have been one of
the many reasons, but that's what he said. That's crazy.
I gotta watch that. I'm gonna send it to you
like nig said to me and go straight to the
(53:55):
five minute mark.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
That's a fact, my ge. Well, I ain't gonna hold
you my Niggtrother Yeah, man, night and anything else you
got going on, man, I would love to be a
part of it, Tomorre my brother. We got a lot
of ship plan man, I would love to have a
fuck with you. Come on, we missed a lot of
money before we are gonna miss it now. Let's feel me.
(54:18):
We're gonna end up in the walker Rich Yeah, I
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Speaker 2 (54:54):
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Piece of the planet, Charlamagna God here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Before we get into today's episode, we've got to celebrate
the Black Effect Podcast Network. It's turning five years old, man,
five years of powerful voices, unforgettable moments in the community
that keeps growing.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the power of the platform. Now let's get
into it. What up, y'all? This is your main man,
Memphis bleak right here.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeartRadio and the
Black Effect Network and partnership with my gods over at
Drink Champs Big with the year Memphis.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm back at it, niggas. Notice the difference. Just pron
pressy no stones. Yeah, y'all you already know what it is.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Back with yours truly another episode of Rock Solid and
you like, like I tell you, man, if you're on
this platform, it's two things. One you my brother. Two,
you've always been silent and this man saying right here
been both things since the beginning, even through the drama,
he stays silent.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome, my g l thank you for man than you
having me g everything good man, blessed ye.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Let's see you fucking winning, winning on winning.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm so happy for you likewise, it is what it is,
is moving. Then you came up with the fleet talk
hot what made you get into this space like the
pod world and all that.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So, so to be honest with you, first of all,
thank you and congratulations to everything you gotta go around
to because appreciate. We was just talking before we started filming,
and you got a bunch of shit going on, and
I didn't know about appreciation.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And that's what it's really about. Growing.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But as far as the pad space is concerned, this
would happened to be totally honest with you. It wasn't
about the pod. It was about this, this straight up honesty.
Nor He kept asking me and shout out to Normy. No,
that's my brother, so he kept you know, me and
Nori is damn near neighbors in Miami. Like Norri literally
(01:57):
lives ten blocks away from me in Miami. So I'm
bumping into Norriy. He like, do the show Kenned your
drink Chimps And I'm like, I don't know. I don't
feel like doing drink Champs. I don't want to do
drink Champs And he like, yo, dude, because Norby so Norri,
it is my brother so I'm gonna be straight up honest.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, but we was doing it.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
We had a situation, not necessarily Norri, but the niggas
he used to be with, had a situation in the
streets with me and some of my niggas to where
I felt Norrie was part of that. And so I
never really had a problem with Norri. But it's so
so let's say like this, I'm just give you an example,
(02:37):
and me and nor talked about it on the show.
So let's give an example.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Let's say me and you hanging out and I remember,
now I'm just gonna use this as an example because
I remember the name of your crew is get Low.
So the main nigga from Get Low outside of you,
was talking shit about me and then tried to get
one of my niggas on my team to come at me.
So I'm like, I said, thank that nigga in a
fight for then, I like, these niggas kind of dangerous,
(03:03):
the niggas now used to be with, but we kind
of debted it. So me and Norwy after that, I'm like,
I can't. I don't know if I could trust Bleak
like that, because niggas don't got niggas and you and
you don't. You never said nothing to me about it.
Decent that you be with so me and and we
good everything I'm talking about me and Noya you can do.
(03:24):
But Goods always hesitant to do it. But it was
dope because we discussed it on his show.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You know what I'm saying. I was like, I told him.
I was like, nor yeah't trust He's like, come on man,
I was like, it was dope.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It was a dope moment. So shout out to Norri.
But to be totally honest with you, the reason that
I did it was because I have a product. It's
called Pink Horsepower.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
So that product is that it was doing really well
for me. And when I went on Norriy's show, Drink Champs,
the product did like seven hundred percent more than what
I was doing on my own. I'm like, hold on, hold,
hold the fuck on, yeah, hold on there we may
we wan four hundred this week off, just off nor
(04:07):
Rey show. I need to see what's going on. So
then shot like shot nooy. So then I went on
a million dollars worth of game. Shout out to Gilly
and Wallow as well, a million dollars worth for game,
and the same thing happened. I put the product on
the show, shit zoomed up six seven hundred percent. So
(04:27):
I'm sitting there saying, hold on, man, what's going on?
How this is a commercial podcast?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So I went back to Wallow and I'm like, yo,
I want to pay you to put this on the
show every weekend. While I was like, no, Cam, don't
work like that. We already you come up here, sell
what you want, but we already have a deal with
other people that's in the same lane issue. And then
he started breaking it down to me, shout to Wallow
because Wallow she is information like a motherfucker. And he
(04:55):
explained to me he liked, naw, this sponsors our shoulder,
This sponsors our show, This sponsors our show this month.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm like, oh, this is big fucking business.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You know what I'm saying after myself, I'm going to
do my own show, and I'm gonna make it about sports.
The reason I made it about sports is because I'm
sitting there arguing with my niggas on the.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Phone every day about sports.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Any at my phone one day shot with my man
sin City, I look at my phone one day and
the ship said two hours and forty seven minutes, and
we was arguing the whole time about sports. So I'm like, man,
I'm gonna give this shit a shot. So I shot
a few episodes. My mom got six, so I took
(05:37):
off for a while. I invited Mace on the show, like, yo,
come be a guest that Mace liked the vibe and
he don't like nothing, and so he said, would you
want to be partners? I'm like, hell, yeah, let's do it.
And we shot about thirty five episodes. We shot liked
eight episodes. In office started coming in and we shot
about thirty five episodes, and then Underdog came in with
(05:57):
a big offer.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So that's how I went. Seeing yall niggas in suits
every day. I'm proud of your niggas. Yea good man,
talking ship and looking good.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That was the vision. That was the vision seat.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
When I first shot the show, people was like, Yo,
how is ESPN letting Kim come on here and curse
and do all that shit because the set So when
you have podcasts, right, that was my vision for I
shot it. You got niggas who do podcasts there in
the living room. They in the kitchen, they in the
fucking backyard.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Everything.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Then you got these sports shows to have great backgrounds
and productions and so on and so forth. But the
two worlds never met street talk versus professional setting.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So I'm like, I'm gonna build a set.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
You're gonna throw the suits on now, next thing you
fuck is up, nigga, next this track, fuck the Lakers.
Just so, now you're looking at a professional setting with
two niggas who just talk. So now, when niggas were
seeing it on the grind, like yo, what sports. Let
Kim and these niggas come on here talking like that, man.
But that was the vision, the professional setting meet the
(07:03):
podcast world to where it looks professionally dressed.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Great, but we still talking that ship. Yeah, man, shout
out because normal. He the reason why I'm doing it
right now. Bro gave me the major speech like bleak,
I'm telling you like you said, I saw the numbers
go up and.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was like, hold on, yeah, let me let me check
it out.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
When I when I was talking to Norri.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Prior to hold on a second, you might want to
tell them to be quiet a little bit so that
shit don't bleed into what we're doing Yo.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Keep it down cause we were good. I appreciate you.
Yeah see, I'll be on point. I'll be on top
of all that man where he was at.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, I was saying when Norri it was like Nory
was telling me all ship about uh can we could
do so caveall with the champagne. He had a lot
of vision and it was and it was dope. But
I was like, nobody doing the sports ship. So but
he definitely had vision. Nah, you definitely killed that man.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But I'm gonna take it back, man, because we got
to go back in the day because you know, people
only think when we sit down, it's about the drama, right,
I don't know before that bullshit rap beef, it was
we was.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Fast, We was riding the rams, was pulling up with Dame.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I me at the club with Jay Like that's what
I mean, like the Confessions of Fire cam man, Like
that's the cam I met.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You was moving out here.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You met Kim with no deal. It wasn't even Confessions
of Fire. You know what's crazy believe is that I
was actually talked about this on drink champs. So I
got kicked out of college at the beginning of nineteen
ninety five. You know, I know Dame Sonce I was
ten eleven years old. He'd always been running around say
I'm gonna do this, do this, do this, And I
was saying this is probably like four days five days
(08:46):
after I got kicked out of college, and I'm like,
I need to figure this shit out. I ain't gonna
go to school. I see Dame busting moves or whatever.
And I actually talked about this on drink Champs and
I was like, I remember going to meet.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I was with Damon.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
He was going to meet Jay and Tata and it's
a plot used to be called Jackson Hole. Oh yeah,
that come on kidding me, right, So I go meet,
I go meet. I'm with Dame. He goes meet them,
you know, tires with a girl. Jay is with a girl.
And I'm fucked up. And you know, Dave always had
(09:19):
some money whatever. So I'm just sitting there. I'm at
the point like this bleak to where I'm like, you know,
they teld me get full. I'm like, I hope I
don't got to pay for this because I don't even
know if I had ten dollars at the time. I'm
fresh kicked out of college in my grandmother house. And
when the bill came, Tatar pulled out this big ass
not I think I heard you say, and he paid
(09:42):
for it. And I'm like, you don't know how old TASiS.
You don't know if he's my age, you don't know
if he old age, right, But I'm just saying at
that moment, I'm thinking, it's a nigga my age who
got this much money? Like what do I gotta get
to it. It's times where you might not remember. I
know we talked about penns State, but it was yeah,
but it was a show. You guys did it at
(10:03):
the Castle in the Bronx.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, I was at that show. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
When I used to hear coming to age and see
what you guys was doing, I said, I gotta get
to it. So even Confessions of Fire Kim you may
not remember, but I remember all of that, to the
Castle de Penn States, to where I didn't have a
deal yo, and niggas trying to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm gonna ask you some off the wall ship right
now because it's real, right, And Yo, the baseline days
we was all cool, right. I heard you speak about
many times you, Jim all, y'all talk about like what
the difference was while y'all you know when a jay
and how shit went like that.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My question to you, though, one why y'all niggas shipped
on me?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
On me? What did I say about you? Let me
niggas used to go. You was gunning at everybody that
used to be sitting there, like, Yo, niggas just was
my man, we gambling and base. Give me an example
of what you talked because I never remember watching the interview.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It was something y'all was on this when the DVDs.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Was heavy, and Yah, niggas was like yeah, and that
nigga bleak too, he could get It was you, Jim
and sitting in.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And I'm sitting there, I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I understand niggas got their boss beef, you know, it's
it's always behind the scenes, red tape ship. But I'm
sitting there like, why niggas this keep it on a hundred.
If you want to point out this scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I can't. I can't. It was just it was just
rat bullshit. But no, no, I just always wanted to
ask you that, like what I do. I never had
a pub with you. So my thing was this and
I'm just telling you, like I said, this all water
under the bridge about me and you never had a never.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So when I got when I got him, like I said,
you explain a lot just being Jay's friend. You know
what I'm saying, And even with your interviews are laughing shit,
I'm like this, this is the way this nigga, you
know what I'm saying, even like what we talked about
on my show or heard so even like to the
lobby for a spot on my album, like I should
never even work left out my mind when your nigga
said lobby for a spot like not y, I ain't
(11:59):
here to get a spot young, I'm not here to
Libby for a spot on your album. One never went out.
But I want to answer your question, is that So
the way I felt was this, And I never had
a problem with you. If I said I probably was
just all mixed up. But I never had found with you.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That's what I was saying, like we never had nothing.
The whole thing is the way. So it was a
few things just for me.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
When I came to Rockefeller, I was at the point
where I'm like, I'm coming into a scenario to where
this is already laid out, this is done, these niggas
is up. For me to even be a part of
this is a big move for Dame. Even bringing me in.
I'm very happy. So I always was like, and I'm
(12:43):
exaggerating when I say this, but I'm like almost a slave,
Like can I hold the door for you?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Your niggasm the store?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You was definitely grind when you first came around for
I never take that away.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Right, And so I just, you know, everything I did
was like we're not gonna fuck this up. And then,
like I said, I just didn't know Jay's personality and
it was a time. I'll give you an example, right,
I had Kse Slay in the studio and they told
me that I ain't know if I tell you, And
Jay was like, Yo, be careful you bringing in here
because what if I would have slapped the ship out
(13:16):
the nigger And I'm like, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Know rest of beast.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Case. That's that's the That's another thing about Slay that
I respected, Like him and Jay had their differences, but
Slay always fucked with me, you know what I mean.
A mixtape together introduced me to Pat when Pat first
was coming up, you always let me come on to
bring my artists up the freestyle. So I always respected
that about Slay, Like he never threw me into the
politics of what they had going on.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But I didn't know. But I knew kse Slay had
the drama our. He's playing all the Dish records. But
it wasn't like he would play NAVES records and not
play J records. But I was like, if you play
NAS records, don't play last year whatever. I didn't know that,
so everything I did was like just basically, uh, trying
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to just make sure that I'm good. It was even
a point where, like I said, the reason we did
the New York City record, I guess you know people's feeling.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The way Old Boy came out. It was doing good
and Jay put me back.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
J J put me to side, and baselines like, Yo,
I don't know if it's tension not tension, just that
I want to let you know, YO, were good, you're
doing your thing.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I said, well, if just gotta beat up right man,
he gotta be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Man, I look back at hindsight and be like, damn
if what if if it never happened?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It's always gonna be that. But one thing I could say,
even through the drama, like I'm gonna be all the
way honest with you because you know you one nigga
I respect because you had a lot of drama in
this game and you stood on all ten.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now you never.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like but you know when you when you don't up
with a rapper, you know his music just become like
about that. Absolutely, I ain't gonna front when you dropped
suck it or not.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I hated you. I was like, yo, this, how is
it gonna make this record when this drama? He'soking this before? Listen?
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I said in the interview with you one time and
they was you was reading some of my lyrics and
he was like, man, I don't know about this bullshit.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And just do and this ship out. You know how
much bullshit I was hating, but I was that it
was not it had to be that. I understand. You
have to you have to be where you had to
be in that team. Like that was a little tension. Man.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I'm glad we put that behind each other to see
y'all at the what was it the B Sides two concert?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Man? That was that was all for the city. That
was big.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
That was super dope, man, Like I said Jim. I
think Jim was working on Rock Nation at the time.
And then one called me that me and Jay spoke
and he spoke after that, and that was it was
a dope moment just the show. Like my niggas, I
never had a problem. It was always like like you
said on my show when niggas said that president.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Shit, Yo, that changed everything over.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And I'm gonna be honest with you on some g
shit I ain't saying on your show because I want
you to come here for me to say it. But
you know, I call Hole. I'm the one who called him.
It was like, Yo, my nigga, the fuck is going
on up here? How nigga's gonna make Cam the president?
Me and Beans been here for this law?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
What's uping? J like, Nigga, I'm on the boat.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
What you mean?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
What's going on? He like, Yo, call Dame.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So I put him and Dame on the phone, and
him and Dame had words. I ain't gonna say what
they said because that's between them, but they had some
words and Jay was like, I sween. Jay started saying,
Jovey's home the global phone word. I'm like damn man
when he came home that swing shit just went upside down. Bro,
I can't imagine speaking on Jim. I heard you say
on your show, You're like, Yo, what's up with you
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and Beans? It's the same I feel with you and Jim, Bro, like,
I need y'all to fix that. Do you think that
can ever be fixed?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Look to me, when it goes to the diplomat shit, right,
it's like.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
The Williams, the Williams brothers from the other side of
the projects, like you know, yo, the Smith stuff, niggas
be bugging the diplomat thing. To me is like it's
no matter what. At one particular time, nobody was bigger
than the group.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And I remember Dame saying that. Dame was like, Yo,
Cam I got because what happened is this, I got
a fucked up deal, epic. I had to get the
death Jam. When I got the Rockefeller, I started maneuvering
like I was in a funked up situation. So when
I'm trying to get Jim on Joelle's I remember I'm
fighting for Jim. Nobody believed Jim was a rapper. I'm like, Yo, nah, Jim,
(17:47):
You're gonna direct my videos. Jim, motherfucker, you gonna wave
with the deal, this down and the third. Basically I'm
fighting for all of us. So I remember I started
getting the Diplomat mixtapes and the shit was hot, and
Dame was like, Cam, you might want to solw that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Damn these niggas. You know, if you put you out,
wait a while for the Diplomat. So therefore then it's
not the same thing. I'm like, nobody got tied away.
Y'all be in a comfortable situation, right. All my niggas
been fucked up. The last three albums were trying to
get on.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
So even like with Jim, I didn't get him this
first deal at Cotch, like I I got the single
part of me the artist deal in Rockefeller. I went
to Kevin Lows and le Or to get the joint
venture deal for Joel's and uh, the Diplomat album. Then
Dame just came and started flipping talking about you ain't
doing no deal with Cam. If I would have came
(18:37):
and at you for this deal, you would have told
me no. So I ended up going through Rockefeller death
Jim for Diplomats and Jewel's when it was just gonna
be diplomat death Jim. Oh wow, Yeah, but dame flipping
out on Kevin and Kevin I remember sitting there, He's like, dang,
I don't make money off albums. I get paid a salary.
I don't give a those through June for depth Jim whatever,
(19:03):
But back to the diplomat thing. Look, I always wish
Jim the best. I hope he does well. He came
a long way, you know what I'm saying, Frank, Yeah,
And that's what I'm saying, y'all, Bros, I want to
tell you someth I'm talking about. Just from not being
my man, y'all realized this is my man who could
wrap it, turned into my hate man. It turned into artists,
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director videos. So his hustle is impeccable far as me
far at the diplomat. Yeah, question is this though, You
got to think about this, Bleak. We put out our
first mixtape probably two thousand and one, four years ago. Yeah,
the album came out two thousand and three. So you
sit there and you sit there and say, okay, two
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thousand and one to let's say we broke up two
thousand and seven, even if you give it two thousand
and eight got a six seven year run. Music is
just so powerful, the logos still, people just love it.
First reunion I'm talking about after we broke up got back?
What level was in twenty ten?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
First reunion show we did if we can't get it together.
Now it's been two down ten to twenty twenty five.
So the reunions and arguments and fighting has been fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The run was only seven years.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
We got fifteen years of disputes longer than the run.
The run was seven years. The disputes is going on. Taffan, Yo,
we'll get together here and there, this, that and the third.
But the thing about it is this, and I'm being honest,
is that the last scenario that we went to me
and gym was school. And I take responsibility for it,
but I was that serious. There was a time where
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Jim had did a show at fifty and I think,
I think that right when I think the way fifty
answered the question got Jim mad. But I'm sitting there
saying to myself, I think and me on the time,
me and you on right now we can't talk about all.
We can't talk about what the way fifty innswer the
question it got Jim mad, and it riled him up,
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and he went on tangent for four or five six months.
Still to this day, I guess he's still upset. But
I didn't mean militia out of it. I really want
to know how this nigga, How did you get niggas
to go fuck with you and me and you beefing
and me and Joell's and Jim not saying we was beefing,
but we wasn't on the same page. So it's a
real question for me. And you know, Jim got mad
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about it and still upset to this day about it.
But I'm never gonna say never. But the end of
the day, if you got to think about it, it
disputes the arguments. The reunions is fifteen years old years
old and the run was seven years old. I don't
know if it could never go right. You know, he
got records thising me earlier this year. Whatever I do,
(21:49):
I don't really pay no more people send it to me.
But you got to think about it. He put a
friend a song called out Front of Me. He's in
like two thousand and eight, seventeen years of dish records
towards me.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I don't give a fuck, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
It's the same way with Beans. Beans got dis records,
this and me and all that, and it's like, I
don't know where niggas coming from. But at the end
of the day, like when the lights cut off, the
music cut off, everything cut off, I can never.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Erase what was right exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But it's time for niggas to definitely embrace what is
exactly you know what I'm saying, And that's what I'll
be saying. The niggas like the best thing, the best thing,
And it's totally different scenarios. But you talked about it.
I didn't even see the interview. I've seen the clip. Yeah,
when they asked you if if niggas is ever gonna
speak again, and like the line with Dame, I feel like, yeah,
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there's a line that was crossed. Like Beans, ain't go there.
I understand what you like, we get on the phone,
I'm gonna pick up the phone to night, like you
know what I'm saying. But I feel like between them,
I don't even have to ax Jay. It ain't even
like Jay said it to me. It was like, Nah,
niggas is done. I ain't never, I just know knowing him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
But the reason I brought that out it is it
isn't even about because like Bigs my big bro to
shout out the bigs.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, shout out bigs. Definitely, yes, Oh yeah, that's my
big bro. So it's like it's like this for instance, right,
and that's what I'm saying. Right, I built a few
different entities that's doing well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Unless Jay feels like being nostalgic or whatever, you're not,
you're gonna see those hats that you wear. It ain't
We could go Rockefeller every five, six, seven, eight years.
But this is what we pumping right now exactly. So
it's never not a problem to feel nostalgic and reminisce.
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But if you do too much of that reminiscent and
just base everything you doing on for what the past was,
you're just gonna sound like a nigga with a bunch
of stories and you old and biddle and so on
and so forth. For me, it's about still creating and
moving forward and making sure that when I do talk
about old shit, we're gonna talk about what's nail too.
(24:03):
It's right, because it's great to have memories and talk
about everything. But imagine if the nigga hole would just
be talking about Yo.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Remember.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Hey, you don't remember, Hey, y remember when we was
in two? Nah, we can talk about that, But this
is what I got going on today. I just sold
the company for forty eight, four hundred and eighty million.
You get what I'm saying. That's what it's about. He's
not wearing Rockefeller I had so every day he's not.
You understand, He's moved on. And to me, that's what
it's really about. I love to reminisces and love to
(24:34):
have for it. But if that's all we talking about
and I can't do yeah, I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
No, I feel you. Bro. It's the same with the
Rockefeller shit. I'll be on that. They Yo, let's do
the Rockefeller shows, and it's like, bro, I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
No more Rockefeller right exactly. It's just like what we're
doing it right, even make no sense?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Right, and everybody not going and no respecting nobody out
there like that, Nobody gonna not go keep themselves in shape.
Everything like everybody, some niggas looking slopped and still got.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm a train.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'm trying to get back type yeahs like uh yeah,
you know what I say, looking at niggas like damn
fan exactly. Now that's a fact, bro. So I wonder
we was talking off camera, but how you feel about music?
Would there ever be another camera project?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
You know? It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So I deal with different people on different things, and
they asked me for albums all the time. I just
think the landscape is different, the tensions. The tension span
is shorter album. Good album, come out, that should lasts
two three months, graving no weeks. I'm talking about when
we was coming out now yeah yeah, yeah, nineties, early
two thousand, great album, two three months.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You gotta run.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's a great album. Today just what you said, two
weeks and that's a great that's a great that's a
great album. So mom, I gonna put my hallwork hallwork
in and get to weeks. I put out a single.
You put out single once every few months. Let it bubble.
See what happened?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Like me, I was toaring off the same catalog from
twenty eleven to twenty nineteen til COVID. I was on
tour when COVID hit same catalog. So I'm sitting this
saying That's when I realized, like the music we made
was a great time. Because I'm still doing Ampu Theare
that's fifteen hundred and twenty five hundred shit for seven
eight years straight, same catalog. I threw new shit out
(26:27):
here and there, But it don't make sense now. If
I did a project, for instance, like I did Purple
Haze two, it's more of a mixing than the album.
But I toured it with my album my you know,
my catalog, and I sold out every venue. But the
dope thing about that is this. So I was seeing
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people online talking abou Kim. I didn't get the new
mixtape yet, but I'm gonna cop it the night and
by the time I get to your show Friday, I'm
gonna every word. So now you don't gotta go to
Tower Records. You ain't gotta go to HMV. Nigga unloaded
the day before the show and they in tune. So
I think that part is dope. But for me, if
it ain't. When niggas touring and making money off merchant,
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there's so many aspects to go into doing music. Just
to put a song out here and there, it's not
worth it for me. If I could put it in
a movie, a TV soundtrack, whatever, cool, but to do
an album, not just doing albums to put it out.
They're not gonna sell what they used to sell. And
I'm not touring and selling merch behind it. The money's
not worth it for me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I feel you. I figured another way out to get
seventy two thousand dollars. You know what I'm saying, Jail,
I feel you on that one thing.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I feel you never got credit on Like a lot
of these new artists is into the merch, but you've
been into the merch since day one, Bro, And I
feel like we've been overlooked for that. Like I've been
sitting back and always trying to feel like, how the
fuck this nigga always got a hat, always got a jackets,
he's got the hoodies, like, but you've always been like
one of the niggas who started instill on the merch vibe. Man,
(27:59):
like you pioneered that shit for some of the East
Coast artists. For sure, I appreciate it. To be honest
with you, I ain't gonna lie like I pioneered it.
I see Wu Tang, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I've seen Wu tank thing I've seen RockA well like
I may, whether me and you hung out or not.
I was I soaked in a lot from roc Rockefeller
and watching, you know, Jay and Dane get one hundred
and twenty million dollar check for RockA with watching Dame
by prokads. You know what I'm saying, Watching, I'm like, Yo,
(28:32):
hold on, niggascas nine digit checks off this. I didn't
even still didn't get there, but I was students other
than like right now, Wu Tang you know, shou out
the power too from Wu Tang.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Them Nigga's still grabbing eight diggits a year off the march.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know what I'm saying, Woo shirts is all over
the world exactly, so what I and then you think
about it when you young, when you were younger and
wanted to be rapper, I remember going to Canal Street
and getting the chain that Eric in Parish had with
for EPMD or I want the fishermen hat like them
niggas had, or I want to dress like yo the
Niggah Grand Pooba got in a nice polo like I
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want to dress like rappers. So when it was my turn,
I'm like, I gotta make niggas want to dress like
me or be like me because you can have the best.
That's one thing that a lot of people don't realize.
You could be the best lyricists in the world. But
do a nigga want to be like you? That is,
do a nigga want to be like you? You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
So people don't understand those dynamics, like you don't have
to be the best rapper. But some niggas got swagged, like,
for instance, I give you a great example and there
is no dispect what I would say before. You know,
niggas be like, you're being disrespectful to me. And I'm
not saying he can't rap. I'm just saying out the
group Griselda right to me, the best lyricists in Gazelder
(29:55):
is whether you like Benny or or Conway and and
west Side is dope too, but I think those two
are better lyricists. But you want to be like west Side.
West Side he got the sneakst he's in Paris, he
got the New Louis, he got the You know what
(30:16):
I'm saying. I'm not saying he can't rap. I'm saying
he's a great rap. I'm just saying, if you in
that group and you're picking the best lyricists, you're picking
the best lyricists.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
If you picking who you want to be, like, if
you're a young nigga coming up, this is the nigga
I want to be like.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And that's what.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
If you could capture both, you won. Now that's a fact.
Earth got the recipees. Earth got it. He said that
to me back in the days. Man like Yo, if
you're not somebody people emulating don't want to be, then
you're not doing the right thing that matters. That's a fact, yo.
So what's next for my g cam Man? What's on
the horizon?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Bro ship?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, I don't know. I mean, I got a lot
of shit. See a lot of things is like this bleak.
It's like a lot of people don't see the shit
that don't work.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That's right. Everything everything I do don't work. They think
everything that's the ship. They think. You don't think we
try aunt ship.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Hunted joints and you do throw a hundred different things
at the wall to stick.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
That's right, Like my nigga, it's everything don't work. So
I can see and tell you what I'm about to
try to do. I can see him be like, Yo,
you know I want to I want to open up
a dance studio for dances, and you know what I'm exaduating.
But I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Everything we got the we got the clubs.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
We want to fuck around because we're about to open
up these strip clubs in West Palm, Miami. We just
opened up one up one out here. So if you
want to suck around, thing that makes sense investment wise.
I got some money.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I got the money man.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
The one thing that's definite that's coming up and probably
hopefully this air by time. But October ninth, I got
a comedy show at the Beacon Theater. D Ray Davis,
Corey Holcom, Tony rock On, Jay Farrell shout to Ray Ray,
Will Will Mills shout the Outback Presents for putting it
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together with you. But yeah, I'm doing a comedy show,
my first comedy show, called the Killer Comedy Show October
knife at the Beacon Theater. So hopefully we'll see how
that goes and if we do that right, we already
laid out a tour for that if it goes right.
So that's the next mention I'm trying. That's dope, man,
that's dope.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Man, like to see this ship man comedy shows, talk shows,
you into everything.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
You got a book coming out too, Yeah, that's with that.
Yeah another, but it's a book called it isn't named Jed.
I just picked the right on the picture. But I'll
come back on the show again when it's south. That
probably ain't like April May or some shit like Now.
The book gonna be serious.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
They've been asking me to write a book forever, but
I keep telling them Jay's still active. Yeah, yeah, gotta
go away, yeah far away. Yes, he's gonna snipe me.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
If I put on What's Crazy? You know what's crazy?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's like and I know it's two different age guys,
my man sugar digger, And I'm not comparing myself to
jay Z neither. When I when I just be like,
he's like thirty five, thirty six. So when I be
home chilling like yo, it's always nah, it ain't over
a nigga, now, don't. I don't start trying to get
old on nigga. Were going out tonight gets nigga. So
I understand where you're coming from, but I ain't gonna
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hold you. It was a good it was a great
offer like I'm the bread.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, Nah, I hope that they ain't.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
He ain't, man, Bro, I've been trying to get He
ain't gonna do no book even let me do the
movie kidding me.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
The thing about the nigga Jay, my opinion is he's
been so great at being not not just a word
relevant scene, but mysterious. You know what I'm saying. He
don't gotta come talk about you figure it out. You
want to talk shit, all right, whatever, I don't care,
Go look at the next announcement that I make. So
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it's always a mystique and a mysteriousness behind him. But today,
like you don't see him no tack. He ain't never,
he ain't outspoken like that. Like that's another thing, Like
I ain't gonna front him. Nigga, fuck with you. You
be on the ass like I just seen you add little.
I'm this nigga making the honey rap songs about You're
like damn yo, bro, like I swear the guy. I
(34:06):
don't be wanting no problems yo with nobody. But what
I will say is just leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, just leave me your word.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
The Homie made a bunch of rap songs nigga sent
it to me. I'm like, oh man, I've seen that.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, it was fun for me. You know what
I'm saying that because he still was doing songs and
shout out. I don't got no problem with that, nigga,
like we straight too. But the thing about it is
like I made a mistake. So basically I was talking
about the beatless Black actors how it was fucked up
for them, and I called him Omar Good and Junior
and his brothers, his brother's cub and the nigga went on.
(34:47):
I apologized on my show, and that's how bad it was.
I was like, Yo, my bad, I'm sorry. I didn't
mean to do it. Did another song. I went under
his comments. I said, bro, I don't want no smoke.
Did another song.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm like, bro, I'm trying to be some different bro.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
The rap shit is crazy, man, and niggas is niggas
gotta start like I feel like we at the age now.
We was talking off camera where that rap facade that
that that shit gotta come.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It gotta come on, bro.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Bro, when niggas be like, when niggas be talking tough
and screaming all that, it's two things I'd be like
you pump faking, and then if you're not pump faking,
I feel sorry for yo.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
That's a fact. Forty or you let it go, Yo,
let it go, let it go. That's just I know.
Niggas can't be mad. You'd be like b less be
list actors, be less rappers.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Bro. I've seen the list where they had the fifty
worst rappers and I was on it. I was dying,
like damn, niggas true me, they put me on the list,
like damn. But then I just dropped the project, right,
and they dropped the new Whack fifty lists, so and.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
That ain't on it. So did I get myself off
the list?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Right?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Exactly? But see that's the thing about it too, it Blizz,
is that it's more like bro. It's like, for instance, right,
you gotta realize to a lot of people, a lot
of people, they grew up with you, us whoever, nas Jay, whoever.
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So when you start doing shit that they grew up to,
they get mad. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo,
nine nigga, like you as my hero nigga, you know
what I'm saying, Like even like the Homeboy, the Omar
Gun shit I seen niggas in my comments tomorrow. No, Kim,
you gotta go back to them. I'm fifteen fifty two
year old men from Michigan. Nigga fucked that book and
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nigga shit getting that booth.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And I'm like, yo, can't be serious. Yeah, but this
this shit niggas want because this is what they grew
up knowing you for. You not allowed to do, open
a restaurant. You're not allowed to go to West Palmer
and get the club, You're not allowed to run duce.
I know MeV bleak from being a rapper, and I
don't want them doing nothing else in my life but rapping,
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that's all. And niggas don't want They definitely try to
put you in the box, and it's on us definitely
to grow outside that box. That's what made me like
when the raps slowed down and it was like damn,
what's next? And I felt like, Damn, I gotta reinvent myself.
The raps ain't working, the shows ain't booking. I gotta
figure it out. So that's when I jumped on the
dud say and now like, niggas don't know bro that
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reality pill. That's the really shit I think I ever
had to take in my life like my nigga because
remember you going in the back door getting booked at
these clubs, thirty forty grand to touch the stage. Now
I'm going through the front door with a bible, asks
you to buy something fright, look like a major major
like I fell down the ladder right and I had
to put the pride to the bottom. You can't get
(37:43):
it cracking, bro like, But a lot of niggas don't
know how to accept when it's over and it's something
you gotta pivot to something new.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Bro, you couldn't have said that better. It's man niggas.
This man niggas that don't know it's so.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's not the worst.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
That's the worst. Niggas don't know it's over. I'll be
seeing niggas day. I used to funk with, you know,
I wasn't gonna say fuck with people. I used to
do business as far as music concerned. They be a
little freestyle. Talking about niggas was hard. Now he's sitting
here podcasting and I'm sitting there like, I don't get
(38:21):
it easier to I could go right now and do
three four festivals.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Grab the break.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Why would I get on the plane, fly around, be
bothered with nigga and I could get yeah, risk your
life and be soned somewhere different.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I've seen it today, So I guess when I asked
you when you was on my show, I guess he's
just seen it today.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Choking no joke. Oh yeah, yeah, I did see something
from choking.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I swear to god, i've seen it today. And he
was like, carr My George find dah da da. I
thought you was a rapper. Now you podcasting what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'm like, oh, yeah, I seen him say welcome to
my world. Like me, Yeah, I see that, And I'm like, bro,
I just I'm not trying to be like nobody. I
ain't see that, Paul.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
But I'm sitting there saying, Bro, if I go watch
sports and don't talk about it while, would they go
do that?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
That's the same what I'm saying. And another thing too,
this platform.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
You need personality to carry a show, bro, not anybody
get you sit there and talk and you want to
add them talk for fifty minutes.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
It's like, Huh, I lost money on investments for people
that I thought could talk.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Uh, huh, And they can't.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Just because you've been around music, don't mean you could
talk about music. Just because you've been around sports, don't
mean you could talk about sports. Just because you've been
around something and you have knowledge in that area, Coming
on this microphone in front of that camera and making
this sound good, that's a that's a totally different thing.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Fact, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
And like a lot of people think it's easy, it's
not easy being able to carry a show and keep
people entertained.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Absolutely, and you know, stay on, stay.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
On, courts man, because a lot of people I'm watching
this spit in this space, not shipping on a choke,
no joke or any other journalist. Get your money how
you gotta get it. But a lot of niggas choose
to dig the dirt right to live off that. And
it's like, right, it's more to us than just the bullshit.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Absolutely, and the thing about it that and you're right,
And I'm not just a true neither, but you're right.
Niggas need that and and and I'm not talking about
nobody when I say this, I'm just being clear. I
didn't understand how it worked at first, and then when
I figured it out, I'm like, no, wonder this niggas
sitting in his kitchen every week talking about it, nigga
(40:25):
because YouTube is sending this nigga checked, Oh this how
this shit work. And I'm not saying I will ever
do that. I'm not, but I just didn't understand why
niggas was in their basement talking about niggas. Then I
figured it after my sports I said, oh, this is
why these niggas is in a in a in a
white wall background.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
You can't see where they at.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Pictures exactly exactly there you go a hundred percent finding
the reason to beef with somebody.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
That's why when when nor He was telling me to
do this show, I was like yo, and no, like
I don't want to bring up no bullshit. I don't
want to do nothing. I don't want to be up
here talking about this to go viral, Like we all
real niggas, our story and who we are gonna go
viral just off the moves we make. And I want
to teach the niggas coming up, the young niggas that
after rap is still life. Absolutely you know what I'm saying.
(41:20):
Niggas think that you gotta rap forever, and it's like nah, dog,
I rap when I want to, cause it's.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Fun, right, absolutely, Like, look, let's think about this, and
I know we I keep using them, whether it's Nas
or jay Z. Jay Z's business and uh, when I
say business, his announcements. Brother, he's selling this or selling
that and making this and making that. You're not harassing
him to do an album. No, same thing with Nas.
(41:47):
Nas is just a little more quiet than jay Z
about his business. You gotta google and be scrolling like,
what the fuck you mean named? Nas made forty million
off the ring? You mean he caught a one hundred
and twenty million dollar bag off the farmer sutical company.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Just this is Nas tattoo shopping. You get what I'm saying.
Those are the moves that really matter. And until people
understand that, they're gonna think that this podcast whatever, because
they're not gonna be compared to because you gotta think
about these It's two time greats. People have arguments who
(42:22):
you like better than these two? But the business acremen
to where they both going right anxacty.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
But speaking about that j album, so you know I
drink champs, I said, Yo, Jay dropping the album that
nigga called me and you bleak in the last record
you heard of mind at the album dropping, I said, Nigga, we.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Chill, let's just call it with you. Nigga was like, yeah, man,
he was on the phone trying to see if Guru
was leaking some ship to me.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I'm like, nah, I can't. I can't tell them a
dog goo right exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
But see that's and I know y'all have a different die. Man.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
That's just another thing speaking to the level of business.
It was a time I don't I don't know if
four four four whatever album it was, and I know
one like one's a shout to one. One is just
another nigga that he'd been up since I was four
five years old, You know what I'm saying. So when
when you think about these these are two very smart businessmen.
(43:23):
So I don't, like, I'm not sure if it's four
for four what album it was, but the album was
platinum for it came out because it was in a.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Phone Yeah oh yeah, yeah, no, that was Blueprint three.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Whatever, these niggas got this ship. You forget it like that.
It makes you be like, yo, what am I doing
this for? You get what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (43:44):
If I'm not, If I've been doing music this long
and I ain't busting these type of moves, I need
to figure out something else to get around that. Even
if I'm not close, the reption I'm doing is not
comparing to buying getting teaming up with a phone company.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
In selling a million unity you shouldn't even drop is insane, Right, Yeah?
That was.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
That's when I'm like, I'll get.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
To a single, Assaul, when I get to that ship,
because if that made the moves, that made the move.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
No, I give you that for sure.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
What's your relationship with Santana Jewels?
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I just spoke to him a while, but you know
it's crazy Joel's I'll say three months ago He's We
spoke for a minute on text and he wanted me
to do a record for him. You know what I'm saying,
You want me to do it. He sent me the
record and you know it was good. I'm not saying
it wasn't good, but I'm like, we haven't done music
(44:41):
for so long. It gotta be a moment, you know
what I'm saying. And that record he sent wasn't a moment,
you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm not
really in the music space. If I do some shit,
I do some shit. But if me and you gonna
do a record, it got to be a real moment.
We haven't done nothing in a while. Like for us,
(45:02):
I give you a great example right this word to
everything I love. I ain't gonna name the companies or
whatever it's. You know, billion dollar companies. Call me, Yo,
we want to do this for Cam and with Cam,
call Mason. See if we want to do this, y'all.
Niggas do a freestyle, will give you X amount of
dollars yo. Or if you shoot a video for O company,
give you X amount of dollars. Or Yo, if you
(45:23):
pop up right now to so and so festival, we
got half a million dollars for you. So I'm like,
you know me, I ain't gonna hold you when we's
doing this deal that we up for this what it is. See,
that's why I can't argue with me. So I'm gonna
be totally all. I can't argue with the nigga. You
gotta realize he's a he coming from bad boys, so
(45:44):
he like I'm watching everybody else, I don't trust nobody.
I think we've been doing this show. September makes two years.
I think he just started trusting me and may yo.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I could get I'm ready. That's my brother everything, that's
my brother.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
So like when we're doing this deal, niggas is saying me,
I'm talking shout to rich climb in order niggas to
help you get rich.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
We climbing. I'm talking to Gilbert of readers. So the
deal is like.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Three million, four million. They's like, Kim, that's that's a
lot for the space right there for you da da dadah.
So I'm like maces and four I talk to everybody like, nah,
can we not doing that? I'm not signing for four million.
I'm like, maceon this is like we have experience in this.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Damn. I can't do nothing. That's eight eight digits. I
just can't do it.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And I'm like, so now this should get up to
six million, seven million, eight million, I said, Mace, just
as I heard of like Off the Rip, off the rip.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
If you want to get it cam, if you want
to give up, uh, you take three million and I
take six That's fine with me, but it has to
be there. So then the ship get eight nine million,
you get the ten million, say your nigga eight. I
(47:14):
didn't say they're low eight. They just Cam, Yo, shit shit,
just work it out, promise on everything. I love. Just
just like this, just like that. He's like, so it
went up, It went up again. I said not. I say, look,
I'm telling you this right now.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
If this don't go through for this amount x amoundred dollars,
you owe me eight million dollars. Ye, word out, Okay, right,
gonna wait. And we waited about another two months and
he got the number that he wanted.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So Nail. Everything else is now Cam, you're selling us
out again, Yo, I love Yo know.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Biggs is like that. Biggs is the same way. What
we ain't getting what we asking for, we ain't doing
it right. So now it's different shit to where he's like,
I said, Mace, they got two hundred and fifty thousands,
and on a situation like that, Cam is four hundred
for us. At a moment, we're doing sports together, but
(48:15):
we haven't had a musical moment.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Would I take that? Why would you take it? You
got it? I said, Mace. Bro we getting older. I
just I said, we haven't done a song in thirty years.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
It's a moment, right, we need the money for the moment.
It has to be a cam in Mace moment, so
I can't argue with them. So back to the Jewel
situation when he sent me the record. I'm not putting
it on the same level as Mace, but it gotta
be a moment, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I
functionate with Santana Jewel, I mean Cam, I mean fucking
(48:52):
Juels and Gym out there doing it. Got the bud moving,
the music movingly. I just would love to see the
dip set together. Like I don't like to see the
bullshit back and forth on line. I'm not and that's
why I respect that you don't go back and forth
when with ship like that, because that's how I am.
I'm watching say it's like you, fam, I can't say
(49:13):
nothing because then it's just gonna be your turn, my turn.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
Let me tell you something, Bro. Not to cut you off, Blizz,
but it's like this, we just talked about it. You
be playing with me online. I'm gonna play at you online.
They say something about me, I ignore it because I don't.
I don't want to do that with them, Nigga. I
love you get Yeah, Like Bro, and mia. Unspoke after that.
But the thing about it, what happened when Un was
(49:38):
was that he did an interview on Flag and he
said some ship Dame and Jay and Caim like Steve Stout,
they want me out the industry. And I'm like, yo, bro,
where this came from. I'm like, you gave me a chance,
Biggie took me to you.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I have no problem with you. So I called a
mutual friend. Shout to Jacob York. You know what I'm saying.
And he told he told yoll, tell Cam, I'm just
trying to move to algorithm.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yo yo yo.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
I was just like yo, not he wanted to move
everything I love. He said, tell Cam, I'm just trying
to move algorithm. So we spoke after that. I ain't
no problem. And I'm like, I, Dick, ain't no problem.
We spoke, I see nothing. I went to Jacob house, this,
that and the third. And I'm not putting nigg in
the business out there, but Nigga last for the last year.
I'm saying, ain't go four thousand, twenty five hundred this
(50:38):
that whether he needed or not, we won't get there.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I was doing that. That's right.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
You know what I'm saying. So then the other day, yo,
cause niggas only see the clips I put up. They
don't see the whole shit. I don't know if you've
seen the interview.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
I just see the clips.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
So listen, I ain't gonna say who sent it to me.
I'll tell you off the camera. So the nigga not
gassed me, but he sent me the clip. He said,
go to the five minute mark.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Camp. So they asked the nigga. They say, yo, did
jay Z stab you?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
This? That and the third?
Speaker 4 (51:18):
So he's like, and why did he stab you? I
definitely didn't see this part. Yeah, So he says, uh,
Jay didn't stab me. You know somebody that entorized. We
won't get into. But they're like why, and it's like
it could have been a bunch of reasons why it
was a bunch of reasons. Why Who knows? He said,
(51:38):
So now pause that what I just told you this.
When I'm signing to UN, were in the studio had
a song called fuck You. We're rehearsing that song for
a show. It's me, he said, Mace, but I know
he meant Jim. Mace wasn't there with Jim and all
(51:59):
un niggas from Brooklyn, the staff, the you know, everybody
in there. So we rehearsing. Dain't come in at this time.
While we were rehearsing, and the song fuck you, and
we kind of like fuck you, fuck you you kind
of like pointing the dame. And to this day, I
don't know why, you know what I'm saying, but you know,
(52:20):
dang crazy dame dolo. They ain't walk in the middle
the whole ship like, yo, fuck y'all niggas too talking
about you. So he's like the song went off, so
he like, yo, Kim, let me talk to y'all. So
he's bringing out side. He said, you don't do that
no more. He said, you've got these Brooklyn niggas thinking
that we ain't united Harlem niggas.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
What the fuck is that about?
Speaker 4 (52:41):
And I'm like, I don't even know what it was about.
The song was on niggas, I said, y'all he made
me feel like shit. I felt like shit, you know
what I'm saying. I was like, my bad bro cool
boom Back to un Un tells this story on the
all the dialogue shit the other day. Well, well, Kim
and Jim and them niggas Macy says walked in and
(53:01):
started screaming fuck you with dame when he walks in,
and then three four days later, I'm stabbed.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
So I don't know ship bro.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Saying everything, I love my nigga and I'm like so
he like dang put the hit out, basically called his artist.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yo fair man. I didn't even put that clip up
something bro? What yo Bro? What amplicated me?
Speaker 3 (53:32):
And day?
Speaker 1 (53:34):
And why niggas know exactly why that ship went that? Yeah? Yeah,
So I'm just believe he said it was because y'all
was saying. He said, those could have been one of
the many reasons, but that's what he said. That's crazy.
I gotta watch that. I'm gonna send it to you
like nig said to me and go straight to the
(53:55):
five minute mark.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
That's a fact, my ge. Well, I ain't gonna hold
you my Niggtrother Yeah, man, night and anything else you
got going on, man, I would love to be a
part of it, Tomorre my brother. We got a lot
of ship plan man, I would love to have a
fuck with you. Come on, we missed a lot of
money before we are gonna miss it now. Let's feel me.
(54:18):
We're gonna end up in the walker Rich Yeah, I
appreciate it. Broke my brother on the love you know
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