August 26, 2025 • 59 mins
Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek.
This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Drag-On — The fiery Bronx MC who first set the streets ablaze as part of DMX’s legendary Ruff Ryders camp. Known for his raw delivery and relentless energy, Drag-On takes fans deep into his come-up story — from battling on the block to catching the eye of the Ruff Ryders and earning his spot on one of the most iconic rosters in hip hop history.
Throughout the conversation, Drag-On reflects on his bond with DMX, sharing never-before-heard stories about the brotherhood within Ruff Ryders, the trials they faced together, and the lessons he learned from being around one of the game’s most powerful movements. He also opens up about carving out his own lane in hip hop, the struggles of navigating the industry, and what keeps him motivated to this day.
This episode is equal parts laughs, memories, and raw truth. This one is a celebration of legacy, resilience, and staying authentic in a game that constantly changes. For fans of Drag-On, Ruff Ryders, or hip hop history, this ROC Solid episode is a must.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart
Radio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my
guys over at Drink Champs Big with the year Memphis.
I'm back at it, niggas. Notice the difference chipschron present,
no stones. Yeah, you already know what it is, y'all.
(00:23):
Yours truly back with another one. Like I said, this
is rock solid And if you see anybody sitting on
this stage next to me, it only means one thing
that they solid and I respect everything they got going
for theyself. I got my brother in the building. You
might not know we was this cool, but even though
he from the Double Law and I'm just from the Uh,
(00:44):
it's always been family. Welcome to the set, my dude
drag and the motherfucking building makes some noise for my bro.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, how you been, my
g man? Been a minute seeing you murdering shit on
the gram all there, I'm like you you part of
the reason why I got back in the booth too,
because my bro Cheet was like, Yo, you gotta drop
(01:06):
some music, and I'm like, let me see what nigga's
my age doing it? Yeah, I go check you out.
I'm like, hold on, I still I mean drag, still
murderings shit, Like what the fuck is going on out? Yeah?
Looking man, appreciate it, man, I have the Pin gang
for twenty years. Bro, It's a blessing. Man. How you
been my brother?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm good Man world, like you know, just grinding, like
you know what man, world up like right now? Like
I'm in the process of working on two albums right now.
Oh sure, we're just working, man, That's what's up man.
That was one of my questions.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I was going to ask you because I always wondered
why you only dropped one out? Nah?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And on Rough Riders, I actually dropped two albums, but
the second album didn't get promoted like at all, you know,
like you know what I'm say. It was like a
lot of paperwork and all that stuff going on and
stuff like that. So in like six I sat back
and I started my own working and they would call
hood environment you know what I'm saying. The thing it
(02:03):
didn't start picking up until like until like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Oh wow, that's what's up man. I didn't know that,
but I know in the music game. You know, you
got rappers that come that go for it's people that's
just here forever and make an impact, and you one
of those guys. Man, Like I never forget the first
time I heard Down Bottom. Like I said, we always
been fair, but it always been a little bit of
that sudden competition. Because I remember when down Bottom drop
(02:31):
and they came to the studio and they like, you
ain't fucking with this bleak, And I'm like what they
put it on? I was like, are you kidding me? What? Like? What?
Yo's crazy too?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
One a while because look on I think it was
the Hard Knocked Life Tour right when that saw it
came out and I was walking through the.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Hallway and it's the first time me and you met,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And I came acroach in the hallway and you was like, Yo,
drag yo, that Down Bottom is one of my favorite joints.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yo, big bro. Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I went back to my hood, like, Yo, my nigga,
Wo wh that nigga bleak, Your niggas be bumping and
all that.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That nigga fuck with my set. That's right now, sho
hard not gee, let's Swiss swisses foul too. A lot
of people don't know Swiss is foul because he tried
to get us the battle where we first met. I
don't know if you remember that. We was in that
sixteenth passage of there. He like, yo, come on, let
me see who they had battle. But we only both
(03:25):
spit one verse a piece. We ain't we ain't even
get into nothing. It was one versu respect spent one
verse and then it was over.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Man like like the rough Riders used to always try
to throw me in the ring with a bunch of dudes,
and because like they get signed to the rough Us,
that's that's what you basically had to do, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Then they jump niggas in yeah, yeah, I ain't gonna fun.
It was like a real initiation. And then that's what
made me think about it because Sion years later, when
Swiss had you know, freeway battle, the hold me. I'm like, yo,
hold on, sweat this Swiss move. He just tried to
put niggas on niggas to see if his dog is
ready for the war. I'm like, that's smart. Though.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He called Cash that night and then he also called
me that night too to come down there the battle too.
I was supposed to be there that night, but that
night I had the flu. Bro, I was cold sweats the.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Dead, like, yo, dad, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And then what had me sick was that that joint
went viral And that's like that was a video that
went viral before viral was even viral.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You know what I'm saying. Free can't even get over
that to this day, Like to this day, no matter
what Free do, they always bring up Cast. And I
always wanted to know when I ever talked the cast,
I'm asking them when you out do they always bring
up Free Because I'm telling you, bro, We're gonna did
interviews over the world and they're like, Yo, but what
happen with the Cast? This, this and that? And I'm like,
all right, cool. But the rough ride of camp Ya
(04:46):
had some spinners, man, you had eve Locks. Of course,
you had the dog God bless his soul. Ax was
come on, man, we already know that's that's top golden status.
But then drag come on man, Like was it any
pressure of like, yo, I gotta hold my weight against
all these guys or was it just like man, I
(05:08):
got this ship.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's nothing, nah, Because like when I came into the game,
I mean you know, like in my eyes, like the
Locks was already like pioneers to.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
They already had the joints with Mariah carry.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And and and and and like Mary J.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Blige puff and k you know what I'm saying. So
I look, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So like me, don't just to be in the booth
with them. I'm like this, okay, all right, drag all
that blocks. Shit ain't gonna work here here.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We're gonna have to step this up and get this
ship like shit, got to be professional with this joint. Well,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And then like what amazed me the Locks was kissing styles.
I noticed that they was writing rhymes with no pen
or paper. So that put me underneath a different type
of pressure. I'm like, Yo, these niggas like and I'm
sitting here like I'm whispering to my men. I'm like, Yo,
these niggas is writing with no pen on paper, my nigga,
(06:07):
real talk.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
They write their verse right now, Yo, that's how these
dudes is just sitting it. Yeah they did it. Jay
did it. Yeah for you to say they did it's
like I think me trying to be like Jay with
the when I stopped writing. That's when I fell off.
Shit got whack atter. I don't even funck with bleak.
No more word that you ever tried. That like not
(06:29):
writing and going in the booth thinking the suning off
the mind, well.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Like not really like freestyling, but I actually wrote around
with no pen of paper writing, you know, just being
around them.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And the first song I did like that was spit
these bars. Oh word, damn, that's joints. Man. You got
a lot of classics. That's why I was like, I
gotta see what my gout into. Of course you work,
you did it. You just dropped the joint. When one
of my bros, my man got murdered. Man, he got said,
ye yo, that ship fire too, bro. Good Look how
(07:02):
that connect shit come about? Yo? He hit me. He like,
yo drag yo, my nigga, Yo, you gotta come to
the show. Bro. I'm like this, yo, my boy, I'll
be a little laxatations with the interviews.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Just yeah yeah, he like, yo drag. Listen, you gotta
come to the show. And the next thing, you know,
you hit me.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
He like your drag.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Look, I got this joint, my nigga. I'm gonna lay
my verse. But I'm definitely need the verse for I'm
like my nigga sent it yea.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Sit the back. He like, Drag, I'm gonna need you
to come to New York shoot this video. You gotta shoot.
And then once I got in the video say he like.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yr Drag, I got you here now and I'm gonna
need you to come with me to go do that
mother for the show now. So I'm like, oh, y'all
ain't gonna from when it comes down to niggas like
got murder graf you I could say, y'all really like
that is new graph you me. We all from the
you know, the real claw that really started in York,
(07:57):
the underground. To see y'all keep going and still be
as nice as y'all was when you first started that
ship is inspiration to me, bro like, and I hope
other kids out there feel the same way, because bro, like,
I ain't gonna lie. You go viral every time you
do one of the I G freestyle.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Like, that's how I started following you, Like word up
Like I remember seeing the free I'm like, drag out it.
How the fuck I ain't following it? Bro? That's how
we connect that word man like that shit is insane.
And why are you out there too? Going there too?
Though I'm trying, I'm trying. Yeah, the opposite of the
age two O two.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I definitely need you on the worry And could you
guys anybody at the I definitely wanted you on part one.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
One should have hit me, Bro. You know that's nothing anytime, man,
I'm always on deck, Bro. And one thing I wanted
that I admired of you in your career too, because
I was scared to do it acting bro. That fucking yo. Bro.
I literally sat in frib and I gonna forget watching
your movies that I don't know this guy. Look this
(09:00):
du smallest chestnut on the TV right now, like you killed,
you did your thing. Man, how you ever felt about
getting back in the.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, I mean you know, like and to be honest
with you, like I never really wanted to leave, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You know, but when I was in the acting.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Joint, I never really had a movie agent at all.
World you find what I'm saying. It was it was
my nigga, my nigga. As was like this, yo, my nigga, Look,
if you want me in this movie, you gotta put
my little man in it when I was getting in
them like that. You find to saying, I never really
had like a like a like a real agent, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So man, but my agent was X. You killed it, bro,
like me and jet Lee of course, the beautiful God
rest are saul A Leah Man. Like, Bro, you you
got some classics out there, bro, movies, records, everything. I
remember the first time hearing you was on the this
is for my dogs, This is for my dogs. This
(09:55):
is for my dogs. I was like, who is this
thick right here? Bro? Like that's what I mean. Like,
I don't think people appreciate the under the soldiers with
the big homies, like we always get placed in the shadow,
Like yeah, they did in the shadow, but we never
wanted to be these guys. Yeah yeah, And they don't
give us the credit that because of us, we helped
(10:17):
sharping these guys. Like I think you know, our young
impact definitely impacted the ogs. Do you feel like you
you definitely help X sharpen his skills when he was around,
like he was a little bit more vicious when you're there, Yeah,
like X, like X was always vicious.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Word you know what I'm saying, but X was always
always like a competition person, you know what I'm saying. So,
like when we were shooting like the Credit to the Grave,
right man, you know, I was, I was. I was
out there and they had just opened up my second
budget for my second album. Right, So I'm out there
(10:56):
shooting the movie and then at night going straight to
the studio and recording mad joints. So I used to
wake up on the set the next day and go
to the set with like three four records, and I
could see X face like hold on, hold on, hold on,
because for months, for months, they was trying their best
to get him in the studio, like before I got there.
(11:17):
But as soon as I got there and I'm going
straight in the studt he like old And next thing
you know that Niggax started going to.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The studio, started blazing shit. I'm like this yeah, And
you could hear it, like the records that you featured
on with him. You can hear it is like Yo,
hold on, he like hold on, little Holdi's sparking, I
gotta I gotta show I'm the big Holmie. You can
hear it. And I always felt that way. Rhyming with
J two. Like certain records, I bought that that killer
instinct gut where you know hope was always laid back.
(11:46):
But then when you hear like A for the FAMI
and I set it off, It's like, wait a minute,
I can't lay back on this one. He to go, no, no, no,
let me spank go. That's dope. Y'all had that same
that same camaraderie, not rivalry. You the little homeideat a
big home. Yeah, just respected. X was a major, major goat,
major responsible for everything. I've seen an interview you did
(12:09):
when you were saying that when you wrap it helped
you get over your stutter. I didn't even know, bro,
I've been around you twenty thousand times in my life.
It never knew you studied like that. No, like I was.
I was born with a real bad, real bad studding problem.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But like twenty seventeen, I actually started working on it.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
World, you know what I'm saying. So I'm a lot
better world.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
But when I was talking to y'all before and stuff
like that, Man, if only y'all knew what I was
doing in my mind just to create the.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Conversation, No way, it's crazy word twenty seventeen. I was like,
you know what, I'm tired of.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Let me start taking little classes on YouTube and stuff
like that, and then my shit got a little bit better.
But I always had a stunning problem. So that's why,
like like and O one man, you couldn't get me in.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Front of these.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And he was doing the movies though, Like yeah, see
now that right there. I was telling my manager right like, yo,
just get me the script. You could get me the
script at least two to three weeks before I'm good,
And they was able to get me the script a
month before.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So I'm like this, if they would have gave me
the script like the day of oh no it man,
that's crazy. God bless bro. Like shit, I would never know, Bro,
I'm telling you. I tweeted. I told people, I'm like, yo,
I got my bro drag coming on the spot. Any
questions niggas want to ask? That was the one thing,
(13:38):
and I'm like, since when I never noticed that? But
from everything else, nobody had no questions. Everything but everybody
was saying the number one thing is yo, how he
been where he been when he dropping another project? Bad?
People were saying, Yo, the opposite of the H two
our when is dropping. Like all these is the questions
(13:58):
people want to know because they genuinely love you, bro,
And and I want you to be able to reach
back to these people because now this is the platform
everybody on. They don't give us our platform to speak
and tell our truth if we're not saying a negative,
they don't want to hear from us. Well, we not them, guys.
We paved the way for these young guys, you know
what I'm saying. And they got to make sure they
(14:21):
understand who paved the way for them. Like you know,
we we the young guys to the ogs like you
got Little C's was the head to the throne. The
big you ex me like us three in the room
together is royalty, Bro, It's insane, Like just the amount
of knowledge we got from these guys, people would pay
to hear that shit from us. It's royalty and loyalty
(14:44):
of course all day, Bro, Like I heard I heard
after like to somebody said to me they was like, yo,
you blieve he did a deal with Mayweather. You did
a deal with Floyd before? Nah?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, nah, But Floyd's my man, so he actually that's
the homie. Yeah, Like he actually had an artist and
He had caught me like two o'clock in the morning
one night, like, you know, Dragon.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I'm gonna need you to come down to the uh
you know, he.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Said, He said, your draft listen and old the studios
downtown this book, and I'm gonna need you to find
a studio for me in the Bronx. I'm gonna bring
my artist dud and I'm gonna need you to jump
on his track with him.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So I had called my man Lobson at.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
The time, Boom, and we went down and recorded in
his crib and the dude was nice too. I ain't
in front of them now. I was like, okay, all right,
let me. It was a dude from Cleveland and all
like you know what I'm saying. But me and Floyd
was over school though. Yeah, No, Floyd the good dude man.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
One time Floyd thought I was following him because I
bumped into him. I seen him in Vegas one night.
Two days later, I bumped into him in the Ruba.
Then the day later I seen him in Miami. That
nigga looked at me like, bleak, what's going on you yo?
What's up? I'm like, nah, dog Wei, I'm not It's
just so happened we lit the Yeah, he was looking
at me like niggas, like what you're doing with my
(16:06):
g one thing? I wanted to ask too. That was
always weird to me because Joan Rue did it to me,
So I wanted to know if it was purposely or
your in or was it day side? Why wasn't Juvenile
in the down Bottom video? Was he? Because you know,
labels will be.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Like yeah, that joint right there had me pissed, said,
I mean, you know, because he was supposed to be
in the video, and and like the label they did
like some little slick shit real quick.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And swiss her the artist named young One, which was
dope though that's who I was thinking about early young One,
Like young One was super nice at that time.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
He's from the A too, right, Yeah, I remember young Woe. Yeah,
super nice. So every shot a young One, you know
what I'm saying. But I was a little upset because
I never really knew him. So I'm on my way
going to the set and I'm thinking it's gonna be
Juvie and they just switched it on me right quick
and said, yo, look this is a remix for him, and.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I ain't even know this dude, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But then, but then after that song, it's how me
and him got cool World. You know what I'm saying,
the cash money, bus mom fucking toy work and like
you know, he actually wrote with me on my bus World.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's dope, man,
Juvi or it's been a good nigga s I really
wanted that Juve. Look, you know what I'm saying, cause
I was my ben I'm like this, all right, look,
this is a good look. I thought it maybe would
have came because you know, back in the day in
the industry, if an artist was in too many videos,
the label will hit you with the bullshit. Yore hearing
too many videos right now?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Even Baby, even even even Baby came to me like this, yo,
drag yo, Yo, what the fuck yo?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I had no answer for him, like this, yo, bro yo.
I don't know wor like you feel like saying. It
happened to me in my own record. I did a
record with John. They come to me like, yo, let
me put this on Jie album too. I'm like, all right, cool,
I thought this was a feature just from my album. Cool.
We put it on Jie album. I'm watching BT the
(18:10):
video on I ain't in it, Yo, that happened and
when I happened when I had job he said, somebody
from the label was like, yo, Bleak can't be in
the video right now. They hit him with the bullshit.
I thought Juvenile would have been on. They told him
that with me and it's like, nah, fam, somebody at
(18:30):
the Lady Bootes capping. I gotta find out who did that. Yeah,
I was like this, yo, come on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
This is this is that's a historic. It's one of
my biggest records, like my nigga, I.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Need that you insane? Like one question I wanted to
know because after seeing the verses with the locks and
dip set, is it anybody you think you would jump
on stage with battle versus like that you had in mind?
Like not to try to listen, We're not trying to start.
Don't think he will to battle you now, only if
(19:02):
it's a battle or versus. Be very clear, Swiss have
to call and cut the chat. Don't just start rapping
on YouTube, please.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, Like like I don't know, like far as versus,
Like I never really thought of a person who would
I like, let me go up against what I'm saying, Like,
I know, I got about like thirteen fourteen good joints
that I know the streets knowing love kidding me, like
you know what I'm saying. Probably you know what I'm saying.
But I never really thought of who to go up against.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Though, Yeah that's me. I always felt like when they
asked me, I'm like, man, anybody you pick them, want
whoever want to jump in the ring. You feel like
they want wrestle a beer, put them in there. Let's go. Man.
I'm with it against anybody. But Yo switch, like they
(19:53):
always ask me, I don't want to be like Yo
bias because Swiss the big homie, like the homie to everybody, like,
but when they asks me, they always be like, yo,
who your favorite producer working with? Like out of just Blades,
Kanye banked the monster Swiss. You know, we had Timbo,
we had everybody. And I always tell everybody, hands down Swiss,
(20:15):
the energy, Swiss, more to the table, Swiss to sell
you a beat just by bopping his head lab. They
ain't even finished. They could just play the drugs. He's
like this, like I want that, so is it anybody?
I don't want to put because you worked with Swiss
a day. So is it anybody outside of Swiss that
you would say, nah, this vibe with this producer was it?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I worked with a lot of up and coming producers
and stuff like that, so I gotta like like a
bunch of producers that I mean, you know that actually
helped me, Like like I mean, you know, shout out
the craze on the beat, ye say, shout out, shout
out to the homie p K, shout out PK.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Got know PK.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
He got that ship after a couple of joints, you know.
But my man, David Fourth, like, no, man, you know,
it's it's a few like up and coming producers that
I that I always caught a vibuating. I mean, but
my number one favorite producer in the world is Timolandough
no way what yeah, yeah, I never, I never. I
(21:19):
never met him in there like that, but he's like
my favorite.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You wanted to work.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Just because the sounds that he'd be using. Where do
you think about this sound? Like where do he hear
that it's Timbo?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You owe that beat? Because let's say, send that beat
on Swiss tag too. It's like my favorite producer. Well,
now we and hole Tab send that beat. Nah, but
tim Is it's so weird that I had a record
from tim and but Timbo. But I don't take it
as mind because it was a J record. It's not
your chick it J record. It was on his album
(21:53):
released in Europe. The record did so good. He hit
me like, yo bleak through some verses on here we
make it a single. So I never really looked at it, like, yeah,
I worked with Timbo. Yeah, but I ain't gonna front there.
You definitely killed that. My brother appreciate you, my J Like,
it's so ill with that because I tell people I
did a video with Missie and never met her. I
(22:14):
still haven't met Missi to this day, and she's on
that record in the video and everything. Is it anybody
like that you worked with it? Never met Yo?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Look, me and Juvie had to do your niggas bunch
of guns out on the hard Knocked life to him, Yes, yes, yes.
I didn't meet Juvie until the last date of the
rough Rider Cash Money tour and we performed a Chill
Chill and that was like two three years.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Later, World Up Joe.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I met him the last day of the rough Rider
Cash Money tour and it's crazy on because the whole
tol or we didn't perform it. But on the last day,
which was New York, right boom. That made sure he
came out for that. And that was when I met
him and he looked at me like this, So.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What happened to the video?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I'm like, yo, bro, listen, I met, I met, I
met the nigga young one that day, Bro, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Know what was going on. You still got me, but
that you met him that day I shot the remix
video even though that turned out to be a classic too,
but his versus fire But yeah, but the original is
what made it and people wanted to see that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And my thing was just feeding the people with what
they want. If they want this, give them that. Like
it's like it's like like when you try to do
a show and you know you just got a new album,
I work like you actually got a new joint out
right now, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
when you get on stage, you know you gotta give
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him round head.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You know what I'm saying. You know you gotta give
him like hold on, you know what, let me give
him these bangers right quick? Get this ship. That's trust
to do. They'll be scared to get on the versus you.
First of all, you got too many records with X
got produced by Swiss, Like your catalog is fucking insane. Niggas,
think twice before you pick grap. I'm Drag. I don't
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know your graph. Is you somewhere talking about me? My bro?
But my niggas, you know they say you say somebody's name,
I mean they talking about you, So he's somewhere out
there probably talking major shit about me. Graph is a
spin of too, That's why you know what I'm saying.
And he got a new joy with Buster shout out
graph that's the bro. You already know this all family here.
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But Drag, what else could the people expect? What's new
besides H two or what else you're working on? Like,
I want to make sure people could find you where
they could check you out. You got going on?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Like before I say that, right, I gotta tell everybody go.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Get bleak new ship, real talk, yo. Look, go get.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Young Chris and Dave eash By don't like Yo, this
is real hip hop. Like get those albums right now,
Like like go get them joints like that that's what
the joints all day like for real, like go get
them joints, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But right now I'm working on.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
The opposite of the H two Old Part two, and
also another album called Terry Son and the Tevy Son
is coming out first cause it's like it's just it's
just like a reintroducing of drag. Well say for the
niggas that get it so confused and think niggas is
in the street hold on. At the end of the day,
I'm just Terry's son, so so so so number. I'm
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gonna give them that project and that's gonna be promoting
the opposite of the Age two Old well hopefully and
I'll be able to get the big homie on there.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's done. You ain't you ain't even gotta asks, it's done.
Send the record is done. One of my favorite verses
from you is like, Yo, I ain't gonna lie and
this I play this ship to this day. That ain't
no other than that. Got love for me, Hey, no
cat go but slugs for me. Yo, nigg you fucking
got on that record and walked on looking. Now that's
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the record I can say X could fuck with you, hey, hey,
but X was standing right over me too. While I
was writing at you. He was away. He was like, dragon, listen,
I need you to wrap this way right here. Ain't
give it the damp like he came away and everything
and me and mom, damn time ie that I need
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you to stay just like that. When I went off
a little bit, he was like this, I don't like,
I didn't tell you to do that. I need you
to go just like. So that's when I just put
the words to it. You fucking with me and keep
it getting up round. He was like this, Yeah, that's
it that bounce and so I ain't gonna front. He
stood over me on that verse like nah, that's it
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right bro. You know what I'm saying. As legendary ship man,
you know how many artists today would love to have
have Ax coaching, Like Yo, I'm gonna give you the rhythm,
the melody. All you gotta do is feeling the world
is just make shit even better? Like? What was it
like working with Eve? Though? That's one person I always
wanted to feature with. I was always like, damn, we
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had a meal, but a meal was more on the
I'm fashion I'm ldty Eve was like I'm wanted a dog,
like I'm in the school with the dogs. So how
was that relationship with you and Eve? Because that's my sister.
I love Eve, man.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's like, you know, like me and Eve was always
like brothers and sisters, man, Like you know what I mean,
you know, like like we was tight, you know what
I mean? You know, one of our first records that
we ever did, the streets like the world loved it.
And it wasn't even her single, but it played probably
even more than her single, which is the let's talk
about joint, that joint right there classical. It wasn't even single,
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but it was like the first joint me and her did,
and I just appreciate her and I had so much
respect for it because the first song me and her did,
the streets picked it up and they.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Just devoured it right away, like Yo, this is fire.
And it wasn't no single, it wasn't no video, nothing
to that joint. They just picked it up. That's the
one we're gonna play. That's the ones that go bro.
It usually be the ones that we pick and be like, Yo,
this is the single, and it be the record that
you wasn't even thinking about that goal. Man, that's one
of them joints that that went man like unbelievable crazy. Yeah, yeah,
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for real, I ain't gonna find that joint like soul
so like me and he is always like brothers and
sisters like that. Like after that, you know, like we
got like like the scenarios and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
What we all did, you know what I mean? You know,
but when when? When when me and her was in
the studio, because that joint isn't back and forth, so
it's like it wasn't no you over there, you over there,
like nah, we need you all. That's how it was
back there together that then.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Email of verse send it here. Were both in the
same spy. Ain't gonna blow our spider because we laying low,
you know what I'm saying, don't look for us because
we're in the same spot. We gonna link and do
our joint. Fact the air drop ship, I ain't with it.
That's the best that's the best time to work is
when you're together because you really get the energy off
each other, off each other in the studio, the vibe
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and you really talk about the same thing. Because I
hate to hear a record when one person talking about
this and the other person talking about this, it's like, Yo,
we know y'all wasn't together when you made this record.
It's insane, like being a major goat spider from the
BX man home of where hip hop was fucking created?
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Was that any pressure in your career? Like they like,
I gotta live up to what BX because y'all niggas
birth some fucking hit some heavy hitters out of the.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Ex Yeah, Like what really gave me the confidence? Like,
like what actually really gave me confidence? Like you know what,
I mightn really do it?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm gonna tell you a story, and it's it's a
story about Fat Joe. Don't even I know this story though,
And you asked him, he gonna be like he probably.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Remember, right. But it was a.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Contest, right that Crazy Sam from video music Box Mom
Crazy that's back in the day.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, so I had to bring it back, right.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So Crazy Sam had a rap contest, right probably like
nine five or something like that, right boom, and it
was like a worldwide joint and I won that joint
first place, right, But look I wanted to joint first place, right,
But they made a mistake that night and gave the
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award to somebody else and said that I was second place,
which I was cool with. I was like, all right,
beg out that it was niggas flying in from all
type of places to go video.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You know he had the joint, that spot that was
right next door to Apollo and all that. I forgot
the name of that joint. You know what I'm saying,
Right next go to follow you know fifth, you know
where he about, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know what I'm saying. So he had that joint
right there. And I came in second place.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And then they called me a week later, right and said, yo,
hey you came you actually came in first place.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
My fault.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And it was our fort that you came in second
place or stuff like that, but we want to correct
it and give you the awards after. I'm like this,
all right, cool, Now I'm supposed to be jumping around
the status, right. But the part what really had me
more happier than finding out that I already won the
first place was I'm in the bathroom after I got
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finished performing right and.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Won.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Of fact, Joe homies and I don't know if they're
still cool. It was a dud name Mancho, Yeah, yeah,
they're still cool. Okay, okay, boom, that's crazy. And Moncho
had came in the bathroom. These niggas might not remember
this shit. This is on my daughter listen, and Manchree
came in the bathroom and was like, and he's seen me, like, yo,
I ain't gonna front. And the nigga Fat Joe definitely
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liked your ship be no way yo, Listen. That was
the moves.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I didn't even care that I won first like. My
thing was like, yo, nigga Fat Joe said he liked
my ship, Like yo, that's all I cared about the
whole I ain't even care about winning second place or
first place. My thing was when Manchell came in and said, yo,
because I seen the nigga sitting with Fat Joe back
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in the day and I'm a little kid, so I'm
sitting there, I see him saying. I'm like, oh shit,
look the nigga Fat Joe. I'm gonna stay.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I ripped this ship right when when it back, he
was like this, yo, I ain't gonna front, like the
big homie Fat Joe definitely fuck with your joint.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm like, oh, world, that's crazy. Nigga. I went home.
I was hype off that more than to win. Damn.
That's dope, man. But think about it, bro coming from
the ax Man, y'all created hip hop, who Herk and
all of them. Man, Then you got Fat Joe, Big
Punk God bless rim Me. Now you got the young boys,
the the a boogie with the hoodie and all that.
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Like it just don't stop. I feel like between the
Bronx Queens Brooklyn, I think every year it's a new
rapper ball, straight up. Every year is a new rapper
ball from each borough. But y'all definitely been holding it
down berth of hip hop. Ever, it's just like super
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genuine spinners come out the Axe, you know, like it's
not too many different genres out the Axe. It's just
certified bona fide spinners is born in the ass where Brooklyn.
You got a lot of different artists to try different shit,
you know, be on this vibe, that vibe. Everybody ain't
just focused on spinning. I feel like everybody out of
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the X it's on some I kill you getting the
booth with me. I'm a murder you.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think we always we always we always like like me,
like I always had super respect for Brooklyn though, Like
I mean, you know, like from the age of like
eight or nine because of Rock Kim. Rock Kim was
my favorite rapper in the world.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Bro, Like everybody is super nice. You know that any
rapper that you did in any interview and they say
Rock Kim is their favorite rapper. Follow what happens next?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, super nice, Like rock Kim like the left, like
the Letar Rhythm Hit Him album, like that was something
that mold that album right there, like the the Untouchable
Joint and the Mahogany Joint, Like the Mahogany Joint was.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Out Like I was just looking at them, like these
niggas are not playing He's wrecking on the radio this.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah. No, rock Kim was ahead of his time, man,
Like you can play his albums today and it sounded
like a nigga spent right now. Like but me growing up,
Big Daddy Kane was my favorite. Him and KR res
one man.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, like like the Big Daddy King was definitely like
my number two, but my number one was rock Kim.
But another crazy story where a rapper don't even know
that he influenced me and he might not remember this.
If you ask him, it's carriss One. He's the actual
first rapper to ever pass me the microphone on stage
in front of a crowd. And if you ask him,
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he's not gonna remember this joke.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
He done did four thousand, five million shows in his career.
They Yo think about it like Yo the Bronx, Yeah,
thinkgas was so much all hip hop. Car ress One
is legendary for Russia. The nigga show and taking the
bike it's my ship now, like, and that's what I mean.
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To come upind guys like that and still have your
name put on the high light up on the rafters. Bro,
you gotta feel honest to know like you you did
your thing, man, and if nobody never told you. I
want to be a pair to tell you my nigga,
I'm a fan, bro, and I'm a pre I love
everything you're doing and been doing my g Like like
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I said, kr res One was one of my favorite artists.
When he made Love is Gonna Get Your the bridges
over all them records. I'm sitting there like Love's Gonna
Get You was deep, like deep, Bro, I'm telling you
that's what we had back then too. We had Remember
I remember when kerr res One came out first and
was on some g ship. Then he turned into the
I'm the philosopher. Like we had that knowledge in our
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music back then. Today I feel like that's missing. Like
it's nobody really giving no game to the kids. They
just everybody on the crash out mission. So like, do
you feel like being a vet in the game and
the og that is your duty to let these young
niggas know some real truth about life and what's really
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going on on this next project. Yeah, like on this
next project, I'm definitely super touching on the Bible or
because and I identify myself as an is.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
You're like, so I followed the Bible, and I walk
around with my fringes and stuff like that, and I say,
as God.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Says that he.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Wants his people to do. So five days ago, I
just completed reading the whole Bible.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It took me like a year and a half before
out there because I don't just read the Bible like
I actually try to read it for an understanding, actually
understand each scripture, you know what I'm saying. So that's real,
you know, I never read the Bible because to me,
it's just it's it's a bunch of words to me,
I don't know, don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I need somebody to break it down to me, like, hey, hey, hey,
you know about the trans Atlantic slave trade?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Right? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Did you know that Moses spoke about that in the Bible?
And Keith is in mind that Bible was written three
thousand two, three thousand years Moses said that that was
gonna happen to us, So.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, no, the Bible was just it's for each his own.
Like I felt like, I have a Bible, I have
the Qur'an. I don't. I believe in the Higher power.
That's my thing, you know what I mean. But like
to be like you said, you're Israel, Like that's we
the gods, we are God. Like that's how you get
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into that religion, like not really a religion, it's it's
just belief what you are, we are gods. Man.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, it's it's just it's just back probably like two
years ago, and I had went through a real like
a real like spiritual battle what I'm saying, Like, I
was like I went through something real crazy. I was
driving on because and I used to have the Bible
in my car. World say, and this is before I
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knew that I was an issue, Like right, you know
what I mean. I was around about well, I was
going through a spiritual battle where I was just like
cursing God out.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I flung the Bible out my car and everything. No way,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I was crying this down and the third and then
I called my men bug and he knew he was
an issure. Like it's crazy because I grew up this
nigga since nineteen eighty seven. Bro, I never knew this
nigga knew the Bible like that. Yo, Listen, I was
saying certain things. He was making me repent some of
the things that I was saying and take back. And
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then he started giving me the word you know what
I'm saying, And of course I was. I was just
like you, like, man, listen, this joints a bunch of
our found Romeo.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, like I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And then he started breaking down word say because at
first I was like, nah, man, you know because me
and I was raised by my grandma's and my grandmam's
is not racist, so she didn't raise me racist. Say so,
I really didn't care what the color was christ all
I know is that he's christe like, like, it really
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didn't matter to me.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
He could be purple.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
And then I read the Bible where the Bible says, no,
if you love him, you have to love on him
as the scripture describes him. And then as I'm reading,
I'm like, oh, snap.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Jesus is black. That's a fact, bro.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And I'm not just saying that because I'm black or
nothing like that, you know what I'm saying. I'm like,
hold on, this dude is black.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
So that's how he was able to hide in Egypt
and and do this and this, that and the third
because we all know that the Egyptians was super super
darksk guys like you know what I mean back then.
So I'm like, cool, snop, I'm reading it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But i mean, you know, like then people started, I mean,
you know, but I still was in kind of disbelief,
know what I'm saying. So then people started bringing up
like the archaeology and stuff like that, Like I bet, hey,
do you.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Remember the translated slave trade? All right? Bet well?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Read Douteronomy, chapter twenty eight, verse sixty eight, right boom.
So now I'm reading now I'm like this, hold up.
It says that if we don't keep the commandments, we're
going to go.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Keep this in mind, this is three thousand years before
this happened now, right, because the translated slave trade was
in the sixteen hundreds, right for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I'm reading a joint in the scripture says, if y'all,
if you don't keep the commandments right, He's speaking to
his like people. He said, if y'all don't keep the
commandments right, y'all will be uh transported in ships back
into Egypt. But Egypt meaning in bonders, because that's what
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that word means, like bondage right in ships. Now, at
first I'm like, yeah, but it says Egypt. But then
I have to remember the issue. I was able to
walk out of Egypt, so you know, they definitely didn't
need a ship. That's so I'm like this, hold on,
So this joint is actually the scrugt and it says
how we're going to be looking on the ships. We're
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gonna have the yolks of irons around our neck. And
then I start going back into the archaeology.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Let me be say, I'm just like you. I'm like this,
see let me see I read I'm like this, I'm
going to hochaeolog genealogy. It's in lining with the with
the King James, I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on,
wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
And then in the Book of Dounteronomy, like let me
you know at the chapter twenty eight right from one
to fourteen is the blessings, right, and then from fifteen
to sixty eight is the curses. And that's how you
know what tribe you from, because these blessings and curses
only happened to certain people. Like you say, like I
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might give you like a curse that maybe only the
Dominicans went through. You know what I'm saying, But you
better hold up. Only they went through that, so they
were bro. Listen, it's so deep like the Bible, Bro,
I commend you please open that.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
No members like you know, my aunt officiated my wife
and she's you know, she's ordained. I have a friend
in New Orleans who just got ordained to become a minister.
So it's it's in my life. It's just once I
traveled the world, bro, going to Africa, going to Wrong,
going to Greece, and you're hearing the stories of all
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these books and creators like I want to be because
there's no way I could read the original book because
it's written in Hebrews, I would have to have it translating.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
And that's why you gotta read the King James sixteen eleven.
Because the Bishop Church back in sixteen o three, they
asked him to go back and go through all of
the archives, even even the Book of Eating Out, go
through all of those books and come up and write
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and translate everything into English filante because King James was
a black man that ran England and Scotland and Portland,
all these places.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Because you name it, all the books, I know every
book you name it, I know for sure. Like this
is why they called it the Dark Ages because at
that time the black people was in rulership.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So a lot of people don't know that King James
from the Bible. He's a black dude, you what I'm saying.
Were you know, I never went better white man named James,
you know what I'm saying. So they had asked him
to go back to the hebrew because the church that
he was dealing with right it was still kind of
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like like separation amongst people, and they didn't like that.
So they asked him because he just became the rule
of England because his moms died. She was the rule
of England, but he was already the rule of Portland
and Irish and all these other places in Fromance. But
he inherited that through his moms, right, you know what
I'm saying. So they asked him, listen, can you go back?
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So what he did was he hired sixty scholars and
used forty seven of them, right, and broke the forty
seven down and six groups from all over the world.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It was half Greek and half Hebrew, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And they went through all of the Bibles I'm talking about,
even the ones that did not make it there, and
pulled out all the things that have only but the
prophecy in it. You feel what I saying, things that
actually get you in heaven.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
So King J. James is the original book broken down
into English. Right. See that's yeah, learn something new every
ding now I gotta because me, you know, we from
the hood. I lost many friends and I have a
Bible that I had since probably like nineteen ninety seven. No,
no bull, bro My Bible is just filled with obituary cards.
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That's why I like I use it. I keep it,
you know, I pray every day, but I just have
all my loved ones from friends, grandmoms, aunts, everybody is
just filled with obituary cards. Open my Bible, Bro, it
shows me all the things I lost. So that's why
I almost stay away from it because it's so sacred
to me. Like when I open it, like I said,
shows me the most precious things in my life that
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I lost. So, you know, but the King James book,
I'm gonna have to go pick that up. Man.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I want to get the King James with the Apocrypha
in it. Say so, it's King James with the Apocypha.
Don't get the And to have sixty six books should
have eighty books in it one because the Apockeph is
like like three to four hundred years of Black history,
That's right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So it's where you bringing this up right now? Too?
Because Bro, I got a daughter. She just turned seven
years old and out of nowhere, probably like two weeks ago,
my daughter come to me and she like, Dad, I
want to go to church. And I'm like, what the
hell you watching that you want to go there? It's
nothing on you two kids talk about church. There's nothing
on Disney Junior talking about church. So it's just something
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that's in her. So you know, she my mother in
law took her and I'm thinking she gonna go and
be like it's not for me. She came home like
I like it. We gotta go back. I want to
find a church here like so like I'm gonna really
have it. As a father, I'm gonna have to No,
I don't want my daughter asking me questions.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
And I don't know so but but but no, man,
you don't not to cut you off, but definitely open
up that Bible one of cause see, the Bible was
gonna teach you more than any church could ever teach you.
Because the church they have rules and stipulations that they
have to uh stick by Like a lot of churches,
they can't really go into too much detail of the
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Old Testament or they'll lose their funding, so they can't
teach you. And the Old Testament is where you will
learn what trib you from. Because they try to make
us think that we're not the descendants of the people
of the Biy like you're different.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
No, but we are. We Are's no way to know that,
No way, no one is gonna convince me that all
of this is created by an explosion. Yeah, yeah, there's
no way. I don't care what scientists saying whatever, were
blowing satellites up in space as we speak. The ain't
no new life form come out there, like we're blowing
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stars up still to this day. Like so I know
it's a creator. And just by you even saying that
to me in the conversation I just with my daughter
two weeks ago, it's like, you know, when the light
bulb cut on, I gotta pick it up. I gotta
open the book now.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Because it's like, see me, like I never really knew
that God gave us a manuscript for life, like you
feel not say like you know how like when you
go in the best Buy and you might buy like
a stereo system or flat screen TV and everything electronical. Right,
it comes with a book that's right, so you can
(49:29):
learn how to work it. If it tweaks, it could
work a lot better. You feel to say, you read
instructions the Bible, that's our book.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
See, but I always thought, because not to be naive,
but from the women, you know, you always see the
trappers go to church. So it's felt like when you
at the end of your rope. Do you turn to
this like you know, a lot of people, you see,
a lot of fiends went like when they got clean,
went the church. So I always thought it was like
(49:59):
a rule b It was like, man, I don't listen
to my moms. I'm not gonna listen to no book. Yeah. See,
but a lot of that stuff what you're saying actually
goes down in the church.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
But once you open up the Bible and and God
actually be able to speak to you, it's gonna hit
you way different. See, the church people will come in
church on Sunday and they best outfit boom, and then on.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Monday they.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Read the Bible and stuff like that, and you read
some of the commandments and stuff like that that God
actually wants you to do in order to get inside
of His kingdom. Because see, the churches try to make
you think that the commandments are done away with.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
But it's not like say like I mean, you.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Know, they try to make you think like all you
gotta do is have faith in Christ. Like another word,
you could go kill somebody, stab him with death. As
long as you have Jesus in your mind while you
stabbing him, you're good.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
That's crazy. Not killed. I know that, you know what
I'm saying. So yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
So it's just certain things that once you open up
the book yourself and you read it to your daughter
like boom, and take a time, that's the time, and
go through scripture, the scripture, youre gonna.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Be like this, Oh yo, I ain't gonna find I
see what the nigga drags talking? You know what I'm saying. No, definitely,
I'm gonna check it out, man, And like you even
saying you're an Israelite and even breaking it down because
you know, growing up in New York where they be
like yo, the Israelites out there, it's smoky on the corner.
They out there, try to slap niggers, they yelling on
the mic. You ain't one of the god. So for
(51:41):
you to even be talking like, you know, we grow
up with what they call it. What's the word I'm
looking for? Well, we stereotype certain people. So I'm glad
you even bought it up and broke light to it
like this because a lot of people might feel like me, man, yo,
you niggas like the like a gang over there, like.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
They over there, they over there actually fighting for us
though world say like like like, look like the next
time you come across a group of is like and
you know how they be dressed. They ready for the
apocalypse right now, just standing there for like ten minutes.
Just give them ten minutes of your life right quick.
(52:19):
I guarantee you gonna be like this. Oh hold on,
wait a minute. These niggas is yelling and fighting.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Because as a kid with brother walking through the city
with my moms, Yeah, my come on, somebody trying to
hit you in the ass and I gotta fight down.
But they just been yelling at anybody I'm like, So
as a kid, I just always was like, nah, they're
they're tripping over now. I don't know what they talk about,
but I'm gonna walk a little faster.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Like when I was younger, I thought the same thing.
I'm like this, ah man, now I gotta walk past,
and they're gonna do you right here.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
How you don't understand you original man, It's like what
I'm going to get some jointings saying what are you
talking about? I come outside for that to day. But
they actually over there trying to teach you to have
your faith in Christ, but to show you how to
love God. Because just saying that you love God is
just not enough for God. You know what I'm saying,
(53:10):
And it says that the Bible, like saying that you
love me is just not enough. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
You have to do this, you have to do that,
you have to do this, And a lot of people
think it's grievous, but it's not. It be it'd be
like small things you feel like saying. Like in the Bible, right,
God says he like his is youre like men to
wear beards. So I started growing my beard. See it's simple, ship.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Connect. I don't let you know. It's not gonna get that.
Then think up from Philly. Shit start growing, definitely my
ship don't connect. My gen just growing to a little spike.
They go think I'm all so ludicrous or Cisco when
they first came word out.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, but that's the light commandment that that God says
in the joint that I feel as though it was
kind of smooth.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Feel you can shave it up, but just let it grow.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Because in the Bible, God says it's a way to
show him that you love him. So I'm like, do
you know what I do love him?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
So let me just you know what I'm saying. So
if y'all see me wolf it just know yeah, so
I did it. He converted me. Ya Hey, my brother man.
I appreciate you. Man, this is this has been enlightened.
I know people definitely happy to see you. You know,
I'm happy to see you. I know we're gonna definitely
(54:34):
connect all for this serious. If people looking for you were,
can they find you? Plug them in everywhere they could
tap in with you. Yo. Find me on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
My Instagram is dragged underscore on one because I stay
on one, you know what I'm saying. Also, I opened
up a can do business for my daughter that's doing great.
I appreciate everybody that's been showing love because I've been.
I've been, I've been dumping boxes. Appreciate y'all listen her Instagram.
(55:11):
The instagram for the candle page is black key Candle.
You know what I'm saying. Black key like a key
in the door, black key candle. All one word follow that.
That's my daughter's candle page is doing great. I appreciate
all the support. Also for those that don't know, my
(55:31):
wife also have a candle business called light by Fire.
To say so go follow that. Yes, we surrounding around
beautiful sense and frequency relaxing, but go follow those pages. Listen,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I just follow the black key candy. Okay, follow light
by Fire you said, right, God like underscored by Underscore Fire.
Because my wife is a candle free We and Marshoes
talk and I mean I'll be going there with her
thinking we're going to buy some food with TV something
and we get a whole shopper car full of candle. Yeah,
(56:07):
who's gonna support the fan? Man? I appreciate that word.
We on it. Man, It's been a pleasure, Drag. I
appreciate you coming through. You know, you my brother. Anytime
you got anything to promote, even if you just want
to get a word out, you feel like, no doubt
they don't hear your voice enough. Bro. My platform is
your platform. You know it's Rockefeller Rough Riders to the death. Bro,
(56:28):
And I always love you as continue to stay blessed man,
health wives. We've been a family, and do what you do, man,
And trust me, I'm not just saying this. I'm gonna
definitely get through at least three chapters. If it don't
catch me in three I'm a promised three. All right,
look so you know what?
Speaker 2 (56:47):
So look, so you know what starting Dooderonomy, Chapter twenty eight,
Dounonomy chap.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Chapter twenty eight. And if you forget it, I'm gonna
tell you starting to do it because see it's important
for you to start right there, because that's gonna give
you one of my because people like this. Yeah, how
you know you from the tribe of Judah. How you know?
How you know the Puerto Ricans is this? How you
know that Dominicans? Is this?
Speaker 2 (57:14):
See the dude aroundomy that chapter chapter twenty eight. Uh,
it gives you the blessings from one to fourteen, right,
and then from fifteen to sixty eight, right, it gives
you the curses.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
These curses is only gonna fit certain people.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Like You're gonna know you feel not say like like
like like the blacks part of our curses was right?
How I know from the tribal Judica, cause he told
the tribal Judah, I'm gonna put y'all. He told the
southern tribe, I'm gonna put y'all in slavery ships, in bondage,
and y'all gonna be sold for slave men and slave women,
(57:56):
And I'm gonna put this on you, like and y'all
gon to go through shifts and you're gonna have yolks
of eyron around your neck. Like it's certain things that
you can acts. Let's say, like a Puerto Rican their
history and they're gonna know, oh no, that only happened
to us.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yes, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
So that's why I say to read and if you're
gonna start anywhere, it's the fifth book in there, you
feel to say that book is written by Moses. Yes,
that book is written by Moses, like Moses wrote the
first five books of the Bible. Right, So that's by
Moses and Moses and chapter and chapter twenty eight from
one to sixty eight. It gives the blessings and the curses,
(58:38):
and see which one fits your people, like like your
ethnic background, whether you're Black, or whether you're Jamaican, or
whether you Puerto Rican, whether you're Dominican, whether you whatever.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
Every been through their own crisis right where y'all know,
y'all history start from there, Just start from right there. Yeah,
And I'm telling you all of this is like click it.
I just came from Saint marn for my wife's birthday,
and they took us on some excursion called the Moses Walk.
When we was walking through water like where it's a
part of the ocean where it's literally you walk and
(59:11):
it looked like you're walking on water, and they said,
it's the Moses Walking. Now you tell them it's too much.
Everything is clicking, man, everything is clicking. But I'm definitely
on it. Like I said, I appreciate you being some
of my brother and this always family. Y'all already know
what it is. This is riding solid, definitely brought to
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(59:33):
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(00:23):
Yours truly back with another one. Like I said, this
is rock solid And if you see anybody sitting on
this stage next to me, it only means one thing
that they solid and I respect everything they got going
for theyself. I got my brother in the building. You
might not know we was this cool, but even though
he from the Double Law and I'm just from the Uh,
(00:44):
it's always been family. Welcome to the set, my dude
drag and the motherfucking building makes some noise for my bro.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, how you been, my
g man? Been a minute seeing you murdering shit on
the gram all there, I'm like you you part of
the reason why I got back in the booth too,
because my bro Cheet was like, Yo, you gotta drop
(01:06):
some music, and I'm like, let me see what nigga's
my age doing it? Yeah, I go check you out.
I'm like, hold on, I still I mean drag, still
murderings shit, Like what the fuck is going on out? Yeah?
Looking man, appreciate it, man, I have the Pin gang
for twenty years. Bro, It's a blessing. Man. How you
been my brother?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm good Man world, like you know, just grinding, like
you know what man, world up like right now? Like
I'm in the process of working on two albums right now.
Oh sure, we're just working, man, That's what's up man.
That was one of my questions.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I was going to ask you because I always wondered
why you only dropped one out? Nah?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And on Rough Riders, I actually dropped two albums, but
the second album didn't get promoted like at all, you know,
like you know what I'm say. It was like a
lot of paperwork and all that stuff going on and
stuff like that. So in like six I sat back
and I started my own working and they would call
hood environment you know what I'm saying. The thing it
(02:03):
didn't start picking up until like until like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Oh wow, that's what's up man. I didn't know that,
but I know in the music game. You know, you
got rappers that come that go for it's people that's
just here forever and make an impact, and you one
of those guys. Man, Like I never forget the first
time I heard Down Bottom. Like I said, we always
been fair, but it always been a little bit of
that sudden competition. Because I remember when down Bottom drop
(02:31):
and they came to the studio and they like, you
ain't fucking with this bleak, And I'm like what they
put it on? I was like, are you kidding me? What? Like? What?
Yo's crazy too?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
One a while because look on I think it was
the Hard Knocked Life Tour right when that saw it
came out and I was walking through the.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Hallway and it's the first time me and you met,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And I came acroach in the hallway and you was like, Yo,
drag yo, that Down Bottom is one of my favorite joints.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yo, big bro. Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I went back to my hood, like, Yo, my nigga,
Wo wh that nigga bleak, Your niggas be bumping and
all that.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
That nigga fuck with my set. That's right now, sho
hard not gee, let's Swiss swisses foul too. A lot
of people don't know Swiss is foul because he tried
to get us the battle where we first met. I
don't know if you remember that. We was in that
sixteenth passage of there. He like, yo, come on, let
me see who they had battle. But we only both
(03:25):
spit one verse a piece. We ain't we ain't even
get into nothing. It was one versu respect spent one
verse and then it was over.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Man like like the rough Riders used to always try
to throw me in the ring with a bunch of dudes,
and because like they get signed to the rough Us,
that's that's what you basically had to do, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Then they jump niggas in yeah, yeah, I ain't gonna fun.
It was like a real initiation. And then that's what
made me think about it because Sion years later, when
Swiss had you know, freeway battle, the hold me. I'm like, yo,
hold on, sweat this Swiss move. He just tried to
put niggas on niggas to see if his dog is
ready for the war. I'm like, that's smart. Though.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He called Cash that night and then he also called
me that night too to come down there the battle too.
I was supposed to be there that night, but that
night I had the flu. Bro, I was cold sweats the.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Dead, like, yo, dad, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And then what had me sick was that that joint
went viral And that's like that was a video that
went viral before viral was even viral.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You know what I'm saying. Free can't even get over
that to this day, Like to this day, no matter
what Free do, they always bring up Cast. And I
always wanted to know when I ever talked the cast,
I'm asking them when you out do they always bring
up Free Because I'm telling you, bro, We're gonna did
interviews over the world and they're like, Yo, but what
happen with the Cast? This, this and that? And I'm like,
all right, cool. But the rough ride of camp Ya
(04:46):
had some spinners, man, you had eve Locks. Of course,
you had the dog God bless his soul. Ax was
come on, man, we already know that's that's top golden status.
But then drag come on man, Like was it any
pressure of like, yo, I gotta hold my weight against
all these guys or was it just like man, I
(05:08):
got this ship.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's nothing, nah, Because like when I came into the game,
I mean you know, like in my eyes, like the
Locks was already like pioneers to.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
They already had the joints with Mariah carry.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And and and and and like Mary J.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Blige puff and k you know what I'm saying. So
I look, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So like me, don't just to be in the booth
with them. I'm like this, okay, all right, drag all
that blocks. Shit ain't gonna work here here.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We're gonna have to step this up and get this
ship like shit, got to be professional with this joint. Well,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And then like what amazed me the Locks was kissing styles.
I noticed that they was writing rhymes with no pen
or paper. So that put me underneath a different type
of pressure. I'm like, Yo, these niggas like and I'm
sitting here like I'm whispering to my men. I'm like, Yo,
these niggas is writing with no pen on paper, my nigga,
(06:07):
real talk.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
They write their verse right now, Yo, that's how these
dudes is just sitting it. Yeah they did it. Jay
did it. Yeah for you to say they did it's
like I think me trying to be like Jay with
the when I stopped writing. That's when I fell off.
Shit got whack atter. I don't even funck with bleak.
No more word that you ever tried. That like not
(06:29):
writing and going in the booth thinking the suning off
the mind, well.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Like not really like freestyling, but I actually wrote around
with no pen of paper writing, you know, just being
around them.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And the first song I did like that was spit
these bars. Oh word, damn, that's joints. Man. You got
a lot of classics. That's why I was like, I
gotta see what my gout into. Of course you work,
you did it. You just dropped the joint. When one
of my bros, my man got murdered. Man, he got said,
ye yo, that ship fire too, bro. Good Look how
(07:02):
that connect shit come about? Yo? He hit me. He like,
yo drag yo, my nigga, Yo, you gotta come to
the show. Bro. I'm like this, yo, my boy, I'll
be a little laxatations with the interviews.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Just yeah yeah, he like, yo drag. Listen, you gotta
come to the show. And the next thing, you know,
you hit me.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
He like your drag.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Look, I got this joint, my nigga. I'm gonna lay
my verse. But I'm definitely need the verse for I'm
like my nigga sent it yea.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Sit the back. He like, Drag, I'm gonna need you
to come to New York shoot this video. You gotta shoot.
And then once I got in the video say he like.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yr Drag, I got you here now and I'm gonna
need you to come with me to go do that
mother for the show now. So I'm like, oh, y'all
ain't gonna from when it comes down to niggas like
got murder graf you I could say, y'all really like
that is new graph you me. We all from the
you know, the real claw that really started in York,
(07:57):
the underground. To see y'all keep going and still be
as nice as y'all was when you first started that
ship is inspiration to me, bro like, and I hope
other kids out there feel the same way, because bro, like,
I ain't gonna lie. You go viral every time you
do one of the I G freestyle.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Like, that's how I started following you, Like word up
Like I remember seeing the free I'm like, drag out it.
How the fuck I ain't following it? Bro? That's how
we connect that word man like that shit is insane.
And why are you out there too? Going there too?
Though I'm trying, I'm trying. Yeah, the opposite of the
age two O two.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I definitely need you on the worry And could you
guys anybody at the I definitely wanted you on part one.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
One should have hit me, Bro. You know that's nothing anytime, man,
I'm always on deck, Bro. And one thing I wanted
that I admired of you in your career too, because
I was scared to do it acting bro. That fucking yo. Bro.
I literally sat in frib and I gonna forget watching
your movies that I don't know this guy. Look this
(09:00):
du smallest chestnut on the TV right now, like you killed,
you did your thing. Man, how you ever felt about
getting back in the.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, I mean you know, like and to be honest
with you, like I never really wanted to leave, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You know, but when I was in the acting.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Joint, I never really had a movie agent at all.
World you find what I'm saying. It was it was
my nigga, my nigga. As was like this, yo, my nigga, Look,
if you want me in this movie, you gotta put
my little man in it when I was getting in
them like that. You find to saying, I never really
had like a like a like a real agent, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So man, but my agent was X. You killed it, bro,
like me and jet Lee of course, the beautiful God
rest are saul A Leah Man. Like, Bro, you you
got some classics out there, bro, movies, records, everything. I
remember the first time hearing you was on the this
is for my dogs, This is for my dogs. This
(09:55):
is for my dogs. I was like, who is this
thick right here? Bro? Like that's what I mean. Like,
I don't think people appreciate the under the soldiers with
the big homies, like we always get placed in the shadow,
Like yeah, they did in the shadow, but we never
wanted to be these guys. Yeah yeah, And they don't
give us the credit that because of us, we helped
(10:17):
sharping these guys. Like I think you know, our young
impact definitely impacted the ogs. Do you feel like you
you definitely help X sharpen his skills when he was around,
like he was a little bit more vicious when you're there, Yeah,
like X, like X was always vicious.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Word you know what I'm saying, but X was always
always like a competition person, you know what I'm saying. So,
like when we were shooting like the Credit to the Grave,
right man, you know, I was, I was. I was
out there and they had just opened up my second
budget for my second album. Right, So I'm out there
(10:56):
shooting the movie and then at night going straight to
the studio and recording mad joints. So I used to
wake up on the set the next day and go
to the set with like three four records, and I
could see X face like hold on, hold on, hold on,
because for months, for months, they was trying their best
to get him in the studio, like before I got there.
(11:17):
But as soon as I got there and I'm going
straight in the studt he like old And next thing
you know that Niggax started going to.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The studio, started blazing shit. I'm like this yeah, And
you could hear it, like the records that you featured
on with him. You can hear it is like Yo,
hold on, he like hold on, little Holdi's sparking, I
gotta I gotta show I'm the big Holmie. You can
hear it. And I always felt that way. Rhyming with
J two. Like certain records, I bought that that killer
instinct gut where you know hope was always laid back.
(11:46):
But then when you hear like A for the FAMI
and I set it off, It's like, wait a minute,
I can't lay back on this one. He to go, no, no, no,
let me spank go. That's dope. Y'all had that same
that same camaraderie, not rivalry. You the little homeideat a
big home. Yeah, just respected. X was a major, major goat,
major responsible for everything. I've seen an interview you did
(12:09):
when you were saying that when you wrap it helped
you get over your stutter. I didn't even know, bro,
I've been around you twenty thousand times in my life.
It never knew you studied like that. No, like I was.
I was born with a real bad, real bad studding problem.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But like twenty seventeen, I actually started working on it.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
World, you know what I'm saying. So I'm a lot
better world.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
But when I was talking to y'all before and stuff
like that, Man, if only y'all knew what I was
doing in my mind just to create the.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Conversation, No way, it's crazy word twenty seventeen. I was like,
you know what, I'm tired of.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Let me start taking little classes on YouTube and stuff
like that, and then my shit got a little bit better.
But I always had a stunning problem. So that's why,
like like and O one man, you couldn't get me in.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Front of these.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And he was doing the movies though, Like yeah, see
now that right there. I was telling my manager right like, yo,
just get me the script. You could get me the
script at least two to three weeks before I'm good,
And they was able to get me the script a
month before.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So I'm like this, if they would have gave me
the script like the day of oh no it man,
that's crazy. God bless bro. Like shit, I would never know, Bro,
I'm telling you. I tweeted. I told people, I'm like, yo,
I got my bro drag coming on the spot. Any
questions niggas want to ask? That was the one thing,
(13:38):
and I'm like, since when I never noticed that? But
from everything else, nobody had no questions. Everything but everybody
was saying the number one thing is yo, how he
been where he been when he dropping another project? Bad?
People were saying, Yo, the opposite of the H two
our when is dropping. Like all these is the questions
(13:58):
people want to know because they genuinely love you, bro,
And and I want you to be able to reach
back to these people because now this is the platform
everybody on. They don't give us our platform to speak
and tell our truth if we're not saying a negative,
they don't want to hear from us. Well, we not them, guys.
We paved the way for these young guys, you know
what I'm saying. And they got to make sure they
(14:21):
understand who paved the way for them. Like you know,
we we the young guys to the ogs like you
got Little C's was the head to the throne. The
big you ex me like us three in the room
together is royalty, Bro, It's insane, Like just the amount
of knowledge we got from these guys, people would pay
to hear that shit from us. It's royalty and loyalty
(14:44):
of course all day, Bro, Like I heard I heard
after like to somebody said to me they was like, yo,
you blieve he did a deal with Mayweather. You did
a deal with Floyd before? Nah?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, nah, But Floyd's my man, so he actually that's
the homie. Yeah, Like he actually had an artist and
He had caught me like two o'clock in the morning
one night, like, you know, Dragon.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I'm gonna need you to come down to the uh
you know, he.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Said, He said, your draft listen and old the studios
downtown this book, and I'm gonna need you to find
a studio for me in the Bronx. I'm gonna bring
my artist dud and I'm gonna need you to jump
on his track with him.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So I had called my man Lobson at.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
The time, Boom, and we went down and recorded in
his crib and the dude was nice too. I ain't
in front of them now. I was like, okay, all right,
let me. It was a dude from Cleveland and all
like you know what I'm saying. But me and Floyd
was over school though. Yeah, No, Floyd the good dude man.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
One time Floyd thought I was following him because I
bumped into him. I seen him in Vegas one night.
Two days later, I bumped into him in the Ruba.
Then the day later I seen him in Miami. That
nigga looked at me like, bleak, what's going on you yo?
What's up? I'm like, nah, dog Wei, I'm not It's
just so happened we lit the Yeah, he was looking
at me like niggas, like what you're doing with my
(16:06):
g one thing? I wanted to ask too. That was
always weird to me because Joan Rue did it to me,
So I wanted to know if it was purposely or
your in or was it day side? Why wasn't Juvenile
in the down Bottom video? Was he? Because you know,
labels will be.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Like yeah, that joint right there had me pissed, said,
I mean, you know, because he was supposed to be
in the video, and and like the label they did
like some little slick shit real quick.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And swiss her the artist named young One, which was
dope though that's who I was thinking about early young One,
Like young One was super nice at that time.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
He's from the A too, right, Yeah, I remember young Woe. Yeah,
super nice. So every shot a young One, you know
what I'm saying. But I was a little upset because
I never really knew him. So I'm on my way
going to the set and I'm thinking it's gonna be
Juvie and they just switched it on me right quick
and said, yo, look this is a remix for him, and.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I ain't even know this dude, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But then, but then after that song, it's how me
and him got cool World. You know what I'm saying,
the cash money, bus mom fucking toy work and like
you know, he actually wrote with me on my bus World.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's dope, man,
Juvi or it's been a good nigga s I really
wanted that Juve. Look, you know what I'm saying, cause
I was my ben I'm like this, all right, look,
this is a good look. I thought it maybe would
have came because you know, back in the day in
the industry, if an artist was in too many videos,
the label will hit you with the bullshit. Yore hearing
too many videos right now?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Even Baby, even even even Baby came to me like this, yo,
drag yo, Yo, what the fuck yo?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I had no answer for him, like this, yo, bro yo.
I don't know wor like you feel like saying. It
happened to me in my own record. I did a
record with John. They come to me like, yo, let
me put this on Jie album too. I'm like, all right, cool,
I thought this was a feature just from my album. Cool.
We put it on Jie album. I'm watching BT the
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video on I ain't in it, Yo, that happened and
when I happened when I had job he said, somebody
from the label was like, yo, Bleak can't be in
the video right now. They hit him with the bullshit.
I thought Juvenile would have been on. They told him
that with me and it's like, nah, fam, somebody at
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the Lady Bootes capping. I gotta find out who did that. Yeah,
I was like this, yo, come on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
This is this is that's a historic. It's one of
my biggest records, like my nigga, I.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Need that you insane? Like one question I wanted to
know because after seeing the verses with the locks and
dip set, is it anybody you think you would jump
on stage with battle versus like that you had in mind?
Like not to try to listen, We're not trying to start.
Don't think he will to battle you now, only if
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it's a battle or versus. Be very clear, Swiss have
to call and cut the chat. Don't just start rapping
on YouTube, please.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, Like like I don't know, like far as versus,
Like I never really thought of a person who would
I like, let me go up against what I'm saying, Like,
I know, I got about like thirteen fourteen good joints
that I know the streets knowing love kidding me, like
you know what I'm saying. Probably you know what I'm saying.
But I never really thought of who to go up against.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Though, Yeah that's me. I always felt like when they
asked me, I'm like, man, anybody you pick them, want
whoever want to jump in the ring. You feel like
they want wrestle a beer, put them in there. Let's go. Man.
I'm with it against anybody. But Yo switch, like they
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always ask me, I don't want to be like Yo
bias because Swiss the big homie, like the homie to everybody, like,
but when they asks me, they always be like, yo,
who your favorite producer working with? Like out of just Blades,
Kanye banked the monster Swiss. You know, we had Timbo,
we had everybody. And I always tell everybody, hands down Swiss,
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the energy, Swiss, more to the table, Swiss to sell
you a beat just by bopping his head lab. They
ain't even finished. They could just play the drugs. He's
like this, like I want that, so is it anybody?
I don't want to put because you worked with Swiss
a day. So is it anybody outside of Swiss that
you would say, nah, this vibe with this producer was it?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I worked with a lot of up and coming producers
and stuff like that, so I gotta like like a
bunch of producers that I mean, you know that actually
helped me, Like like I mean, you know, shout out
the craze on the beat, ye say, shout out, shout
out to the homie p K, shout out PK.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Got know PK.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
He got that ship after a couple of joints, you know.
But my man, David Fourth, like, no, man, you know,
it's it's a few like up and coming producers that
I that I always caught a vibuating. I mean, but
my number one favorite producer in the world is Timolandough
no way what yeah, yeah, I never, I never. I
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never met him in there like that, but he's like
my favorite.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You wanted to work.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Just because the sounds that he'd be using. Where do
you think about this sound? Like where do he hear
that it's Timbo?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You owe that beat? Because let's say, send that beat
on Swiss tag too. It's like my favorite producer. Well,
now we and hole Tab send that beat. Nah, but
tim Is it's so weird that I had a record
from tim and but Timbo. But I don't take it
as mind because it was a J record. It's not
your chick it J record. It was on his album
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released in Europe. The record did so good. He hit
me like, yo bleak through some verses on here we
make it a single. So I never really looked at it, like, yeah,
I worked with Timbo. Yeah, but I ain't gonna front there.
You definitely killed that. My brother appreciate you, my J Like,
it's so ill with that because I tell people I
did a video with Missie and never met her. I
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still haven't met Missi to this day, and she's on
that record in the video and everything. Is it anybody
like that you worked with it? Never met Yo?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Look, me and Juvie had to do your niggas bunch
of guns out on the hard Knocked life to him, Yes, yes, yes.
I didn't meet Juvie until the last date of the
rough Rider Cash Money tour and we performed a Chill
Chill and that was like two three years.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Later, World Up Joe.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I met him the last day of the rough Rider
Cash Money tour and it's crazy on because the whole
tol or we didn't perform it. But on the last day,
which was New York, right boom. That made sure he
came out for that. And that was when I met
him and he looked at me like this, So.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What happened to the video?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I'm like, yo, bro, listen, I met, I met, I
met the nigga young one that day, Bro, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Know what was going on. You still got me, but
that you met him that day I shot the remix
video even though that turned out to be a classic too,
but his versus fire But yeah, but the original is
what made it and people wanted to see that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And my thing was just feeding the people with what
they want. If they want this, give them that. Like
it's like it's like like when you try to do
a show and you know you just got a new album,
I work like you actually got a new joint out
right now, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
when you get on stage, you know you gotta give
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him round head.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You know what I'm saying. You know you gotta give
him like hold on, you know what, let me give
him these bangers right quick? Get this ship. That's trust
to do. They'll be scared to get on the versus you.
First of all, you got too many records with X
got produced by Swiss, Like your catalog is fucking insane. Niggas,
think twice before you pick grap. I'm Drag. I don't
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know your graph. Is you somewhere talking about me? My bro?
But my niggas, you know they say you say somebody's name,
I mean they talking about you, So he's somewhere out
there probably talking major shit about me. Graph is a
spin of too, That's why you know what I'm saying.
And he got a new joy with Buster shout out
graph that's the bro. You already know this all family here.
(24:35):
But Drag, what else could the people expect? What's new
besides H two or what else you're working on? Like,
I want to make sure people could find you where
they could check you out. You got going on?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Like before I say that, right, I gotta tell everybody go.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Get bleak new ship, real talk, yo. Look, go get.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Young Chris and Dave eash By don't like Yo, this
is real hip hop. Like get those albums right now,
Like like go get them joints like that that's what
the joints all day like for real, like go get
them joints, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But right now I'm working on.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
The opposite of the H two Old Part two, and
also another album called Terry Son and the Tevy Son
is coming out first cause it's like it's just it's
just like a reintroducing of drag. Well say for the
niggas that get it so confused and think niggas is
in the street hold on. At the end of the day,
I'm just Terry's son, so so so so number. I'm
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gonna give them that project and that's gonna be promoting
the opposite of the Age two Old well hopefully and
I'll be able to get the big homie on there.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's done. You ain't you ain't even gotta asks, it's done.
Send the record is done. One of my favorite verses
from you is like, Yo, I ain't gonna lie and
this I play this ship to this day. That ain't
no other than that. Got love for me, Hey, no
cat go but slugs for me. Yo, nigg you fucking
got on that record and walked on looking. Now that's
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the record I can say X could fuck with you, hey, hey,
but X was standing right over me too. While I
was writing at you. He was away. He was like, dragon, listen,
I need you to wrap this way right here. Ain't
give it the damp like he came away and everything
and me and mom, damn time ie that I need
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you to stay just like that. When I went off
a little bit, he was like this, I don't like,
I didn't tell you to do that. I need you
to go just like. So that's when I just put
the words to it. You fucking with me and keep
it getting up round. He was like this, Yeah, that's
it that bounce and so I ain't gonna front. He
stood over me on that verse like nah, that's it
(26:54):
right bro. You know what I'm saying. As legendary ship man,
you know how many artists today would love to have
have Ax coaching, Like Yo, I'm gonna give you the rhythm,
the melody. All you gotta do is feeling the world
is just make shit even better? Like? What was it
like working with Eve? Though? That's one person I always
wanted to feature with. I was always like, damn, we
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had a meal, but a meal was more on the
I'm fashion I'm ldty Eve was like I'm wanted a dog,
like I'm in the school with the dogs. So how
was that relationship with you and Eve? Because that's my sister.
I love Eve, man.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's like, you know, like me and Eve was always
like brothers and sisters, man, Like you know what I mean,
you know, like like we was tight, you know what
I mean? You know, one of our first records that
we ever did, the streets like the world loved it.
And it wasn't even her single, but it played probably
even more than her single, which is the let's talk
about joint, that joint right there classical. It wasn't even single,
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but it was like the first joint me and her did,
and I just appreciate her and I had so much
respect for it because the first song me and her did,
the streets picked it up and they.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Just devoured it right away, like Yo, this is fire.
And it wasn't no single, it wasn't no video, nothing
to that joint. They just picked it up. That's the
one we're gonna play. That's the ones that go bro.
It usually be the ones that we pick and be like, Yo,
this is the single, and it be the record that
you wasn't even thinking about that goal. Man, that's one
of them joints that that went man like unbelievable crazy. Yeah, yeah,
(28:27):
for real, I ain't gonna find that joint like soul
so like me and he is always like brothers and
sisters like that. Like after that, you know, like we
got like like the scenarios and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
What we all did, you know what I mean? You know,
but when when? When when me and her was in
the studio, because that joint isn't back and forth, so
it's like it wasn't no you over there, you over there,
like nah, we need you all. That's how it was
back there together that then.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Email of verse send it here. Were both in the
same spy. Ain't gonna blow our spider because we laying low,
you know what I'm saying, don't look for us because
we're in the same spot. We gonna link and do
our joint. Fact the air drop ship, I ain't with it.
That's the best that's the best time to work is
when you're together because you really get the energy off
each other, off each other in the studio, the vibe
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and you really talk about the same thing. Because I
hate to hear a record when one person talking about
this and the other person talking about this, it's like, Yo,
we know y'all wasn't together when you made this record.
It's insane, like being a major goat spider from the
BX man home of where hip hop was fucking created?
(29:36):
Was that any pressure in your career? Like they like,
I gotta live up to what BX because y'all niggas
birth some fucking hit some heavy hitters out of the.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Ex Yeah, Like what really gave me the confidence? Like,
like what actually really gave me confidence? Like you know what,
I mightn really do it?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm gonna tell you a story, and it's it's a
story about Fat Joe. Don't even I know this story though,
And you asked him, he gonna be like he probably.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Remember, right. But it was a.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Contest, right that Crazy Sam from video music Box Mom
Crazy that's back in the day.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, so I had to bring it back, right.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So Crazy Sam had a rap contest, right probably like
nine five or something like that, right boom, and it
was like a worldwide joint and I won that joint
first place, right, But look I wanted to joint first place, right,
But they made a mistake that night and gave the
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award to somebody else and said that I was second place,
which I was cool with. I was like, all right,
beg out that it was niggas flying in from all
type of places to go video.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You know he had the joint, that spot that was
right next door to Apollo and all that. I forgot
the name of that joint. You know what I'm saying,
Right next go to follow you know fifth, you know
where he about, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know what I'm saying. So he had that joint
right there. And I came in second place.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And then they called me a week later, right and said, yo,
hey you came you actually came in first place.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
My fault.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And it was our fort that you came in second
place or stuff like that, but we want to correct
it and give you the awards after. I'm like this,
all right, cool, Now I'm supposed to be jumping around
the status, right. But the part what really had me
more happier than finding out that I already won the
first place was I'm in the bathroom after I got
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finished performing right and.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Won.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Of fact, Joe homies and I don't know if they're
still cool. It was a dud name Mancho, Yeah, yeah,
they're still cool. Okay, okay, boom, that's crazy. And Moncho
had came in the bathroom. These niggas might not remember
this shit. This is on my daughter listen, and Manchree
came in the bathroom and was like, and he's seen me, like, yo,
I ain't gonna front. And the nigga Fat Joe definitely
(32:11):
liked your ship be no way yo, Listen. That was
the moves.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I didn't even care that I won first like. My
thing was like, yo, nigga Fat Joe said he liked
my ship, Like yo, that's all I cared about the
whole I ain't even care about winning second place or
first place. My thing was when Manchell came in and said, yo,
because I seen the nigga sitting with Fat Joe back
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in the day and I'm a little kid, so I'm
sitting there, I see him saying. I'm like, oh shit,
look the nigga Fat Joe. I'm gonna stay.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I ripped this ship right when when it back, he
was like this, yo, I ain't gonna front, like the
big homie Fat Joe definitely fuck with your joint.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm like, oh, world, that's crazy. Nigga. I went home.
I was hype off that more than to win. Damn.
That's dope, man. But think about it, bro coming from
the ax Man, y'all created hip hop, who Herk and
all of them. Man, Then you got Fat Joe, Big
Punk God bless rim Me. Now you got the young boys,
the the a boogie with the hoodie and all that.
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Like it just don't stop. I feel like between the
Bronx Queens Brooklyn, I think every year it's a new
rapper ball, straight up. Every year is a new rapper
ball from each borough. But y'all definitely been holding it
down berth of hip hop. Ever, it's just like super
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genuine spinners come out the Axe, you know, like it's
not too many different genres out the Axe. It's just
certified bona fide spinners is born in the ass where Brooklyn.
You got a lot of different artists to try different shit,
you know, be on this vibe, that vibe. Everybody ain't
just focused on spinning. I feel like everybody out of
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the X it's on some I kill you getting the
booth with me. I'm a murder you.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think we always we always we always like like me,
like I always had super respect for Brooklyn though, Like
I mean, you know, like from the age of like
eight or nine because of Rock Kim. Rock Kim was
my favorite rapper in the world.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Bro, Like everybody is super nice. You know that any
rapper that you did in any interview and they say
Rock Kim is their favorite rapper. Follow what happens next?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, super nice, Like rock Kim like the left, like
the Letar Rhythm Hit Him album, like that was something
that mold that album right there, like the the Untouchable
Joint and the Mahogany Joint, Like the Mahogany Joint was.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Out Like I was just looking at them, like these
niggas are not playing He's wrecking on the radio this.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah. No, rock Kim was ahead of his time, man,
Like you can play his albums today and it sounded
like a nigga spent right now. Like but me growing up,
Big Daddy Kane was my favorite. Him and KR res
one man.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, like like the Big Daddy King was definitely like
my number two, but my number one was rock Kim.
But another crazy story where a rapper don't even know
that he influenced me and he might not remember this.
If you ask him, it's carriss One. He's the actual
first rapper to ever pass me the microphone on stage
in front of a crowd. And if you ask him,
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he's not gonna remember this joke.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
He done did four thousand, five million shows in his career.
They Yo think about it like Yo the Bronx, Yeah,
thinkgas was so much all hip hop. Car ress One
is legendary for Russia. The nigga show and taking the
bike it's my ship now, like, and that's what I mean.
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To come upind guys like that and still have your
name put on the high light up on the rafters. Bro,
you gotta feel honest to know like you you did
your thing, man, and if nobody never told you. I
want to be a pair to tell you my nigga,
I'm a fan, bro, and I'm a pre I love
everything you're doing and been doing my g Like like
(36:21):
I said, kr res One was one of my favorite artists.
When he made Love is Gonna Get Your the bridges
over all them records. I'm sitting there like Love's Gonna
Get You was deep, like deep, Bro, I'm telling you
that's what we had back then too. We had Remember
I remember when kerr res One came out first and
was on some g ship. Then he turned into the
I'm the philosopher. Like we had that knowledge in our
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music back then. Today I feel like that's missing. Like
it's nobody really giving no game to the kids. They
just everybody on the crash out mission. So like, do
you feel like being a vet in the game and
the og that is your duty to let these young
niggas know some real truth about life and what's really
(37:04):
going on on this next project. Yeah, like on this
next project, I'm definitely super touching on the Bible or
because and I identify myself as an is.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
You're like, so I followed the Bible, and I walk
around with my fringes and stuff like that, and I say,
as God.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Says that he.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Wants his people to do. So five days ago, I
just completed reading the whole Bible.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It took me like a year and a half before
out there because I don't just read the Bible like
I actually try to read it for an understanding, actually
understand each scripture, you know what I'm saying. So that's real,
you know, I never read the Bible because to me,
it's just it's it's a bunch of words to me,
I don't know, don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I need somebody to break it down to me, like, hey, hey, hey,
you know about the trans Atlantic slave trade?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Right? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Did you know that Moses spoke about that in the Bible?
And Keith is in mind that Bible was written three
thousand two, three thousand years Moses said that that was
gonna happen to us, So.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, no, the Bible was just it's for each his own.
Like I felt like, I have a Bible, I have
the Qur'an. I don't. I believe in the Higher power.
That's my thing, you know what I mean. But like
to be like you said, you're Israel, Like that's we
the gods, we are God. Like that's how you get
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into that religion, like not really a religion, it's it's
just belief what you are, we are gods. Man.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, it's it's just it's just back probably like two
years ago, and I had went through a real like
a real like spiritual battle what I'm saying, Like, I
was like I went through something real crazy. I was
driving on because and I used to have the Bible
in my car. World say, and this is before I
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knew that I was an issue, Like right, you know
what I mean. I was around about well, I was
going through a spiritual battle where I was just like
cursing God out.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I flung the Bible out my car and everything. No way,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I was crying this down and the third and then
I called my men bug and he knew he was
an issure. Like it's crazy because I grew up this
nigga since nineteen eighty seven. Bro, I never knew this
nigga knew the Bible like that. Yo, Listen, I was
saying certain things. He was making me repent some of
the things that I was saying and take back. And
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then he started giving me the word you know what
I'm saying, And of course I was. I was just
like you, like, man, listen, this joints a bunch of
our found Romeo.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, like I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And then he started breaking down word say because at
first I was like, nah, man, you know because me
and I was raised by my grandma's and my grandmam's
is not racist, so she didn't raise me racist. Say so,
I really didn't care what the color was christ all
I know is that he's christe like, like, it really
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didn't matter to me.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
He could be purple.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
And then I read the Bible where the Bible says, no,
if you love him, you have to love on him
as the scripture describes him. And then as I'm reading,
I'm like, oh, snap.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Jesus is black. That's a fact, bro.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And I'm not just saying that because I'm black or
nothing like that, you know what I'm saying. I'm like,
hold on, this dude is black.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
So that's how he was able to hide in Egypt
and and do this and this, that and the third
because we all know that the Egyptians was super super
darksk guys like you know what I mean back then.
So I'm like, cool, snop, I'm reading it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But i mean, you know, like then people started, I mean,
you know, but I still was in kind of disbelief,
know what I'm saying. So then people started bringing up
like the archaeology and stuff like that, Like I bet, hey,
do you.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Remember the translated slave trade? All right? Bet well?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Read Douteronomy, chapter twenty eight, verse sixty eight, right boom.
So now I'm reading now I'm like this, hold up.
It says that if we don't keep the commandments, we're
going to go.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Keep this in mind, this is three thousand years before
this happened now, right, because the translated slave trade was
in the sixteen hundreds, right for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I'm reading a joint in the scripture says, if y'all,
if you don't keep the commandments right, He's speaking to
his like people. He said, if y'all don't keep the
commandments right, y'all will be uh transported in ships back
into Egypt. But Egypt meaning in bonders, because that's what
(42:01):
that word means, like bondage right in ships. Now, at
first I'm like, yeah, but it says Egypt. But then
I have to remember the issue. I was able to
walk out of Egypt, so you know, they definitely didn't
need a ship. That's so I'm like this, hold on,
So this joint is actually the scrugt and it says
how we're going to be looking on the ships. We're
(42:23):
gonna have the yolks of irons around our neck. And
then I start going back into the archaeology.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Let me be say, I'm just like you. I'm like this,
see let me see I read I'm like this, I'm
going to hochaeolog genealogy. It's in lining with the with
the King James, I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on,
wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
And then in the Book of Dounteronomy, like let me
you know at the chapter twenty eight right from one
to fourteen is the blessings, right, and then from fifteen
to sixty eight is the curses. And that's how you
know what tribe you from, because these blessings and curses
only happened to certain people. Like you say, like I
(43:08):
might give you like a curse that maybe only the
Dominicans went through. You know what I'm saying, But you
better hold up. Only they went through that, so they
were bro. Listen, it's so deep like the Bible, Bro,
I commend you please open that.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
No members like you know, my aunt officiated my wife
and she's you know, she's ordained. I have a friend
in New Orleans who just got ordained to become a minister.
So it's it's in my life. It's just once I
traveled the world, bro, going to Africa, going to Wrong,
going to Greece, and you're hearing the stories of all
(43:48):
these books and creators like I want to be because
there's no way I could read the original book because
it's written in Hebrews, I would have to have it translating.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
And that's why you gotta read the King James sixteen eleven.
Because the Bishop Church back in sixteen o three, they
asked him to go back and go through all of
the archives, even even the Book of Eating Out, go
through all of those books and come up and write
(44:23):
and translate everything into English filante because King James was
a black man that ran England and Scotland and Portland,
all these places.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Because you name it, all the books, I know every
book you name it, I know for sure. Like this
is why they called it the Dark Ages because at
that time the black people was in rulership.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So a lot of people don't know that King James
from the Bible. He's a black dude, you what I'm saying.
Were you know, I never went better white man named James,
you know what I'm saying. So they had asked him
to go back to the hebrew because the church that
he was dealing with right it was still kind of
(45:07):
like like separation amongst people, and they didn't like that.
So they asked him because he just became the rule
of England because his moms died. She was the rule
of England, but he was already the rule of Portland
and Irish and all these other places in Fromance. But
he inherited that through his moms, right, you know what
I'm saying. So they asked him, listen, can you go back?
(45:29):
So what he did was he hired sixty scholars and
used forty seven of them, right, and broke the forty
seven down and six groups from all over the world.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It was half Greek and half Hebrew, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And they went through all of the Bibles I'm talking about,
even the ones that did not make it there, and
pulled out all the things that have only but the
prophecy in it. You feel what I saying, things that
actually get you in heaven.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
So King J. James is the original book broken down
into English. Right. See that's yeah, learn something new every
ding now I gotta because me, you know, we from
the hood. I lost many friends and I have a
Bible that I had since probably like nineteen ninety seven. No,
no bull, bro My Bible is just filled with obituary cards.
(46:22):
That's why I like I use it. I keep it,
you know, I pray every day, but I just have
all my loved ones from friends, grandmoms, aunts, everybody is
just filled with obituary cards. Open my Bible, Bro, it
shows me all the things I lost. So that's why
I almost stay away from it because it's so sacred
to me. Like when I open it, like I said,
shows me the most precious things in my life that
(46:46):
I lost. So, you know, but the King James book,
I'm gonna have to go pick that up. Man.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I want to get the King James with the Apocrypha
in it. Say so, it's King James with the Apocypha.
Don't get the And to have sixty six books should
have eighty books in it one because the Apockeph is
like like three to four hundred years of Black history,
That's right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So it's where you bringing this up right now? Too?
Because Bro, I got a daughter. She just turned seven
years old and out of nowhere, probably like two weeks ago,
my daughter come to me and she like, Dad, I
want to go to church. And I'm like, what the
hell you watching that you want to go there? It's
nothing on you two kids talk about church. There's nothing
on Disney Junior talking about church. So it's just something
(47:32):
that's in her. So you know, she my mother in
law took her and I'm thinking she gonna go and
be like it's not for me. She came home like
I like it. We gotta go back. I want to
find a church here like so like I'm gonna really
have it. As a father, I'm gonna have to No,
I don't want my daughter asking me questions.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
And I don't know so but but but no, man,
you don't not to cut you off, but definitely open
up that Bible one of cause see, the Bible was
gonna teach you more than any church could ever teach you.
Because the church they have rules and stipulations that they
have to uh stick by Like a lot of churches,
they can't really go into too much detail of the
(48:13):
Old Testament or they'll lose their funding, so they can't
teach you. And the Old Testament is where you will
learn what trib you from. Because they try to make
us think that we're not the descendants of the people
of the Biy like you're different.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
No, but we are. We Are's no way to know that,
No way, no one is gonna convince me that all
of this is created by an explosion. Yeah, yeah, there's
no way. I don't care what scientists saying whatever, were
blowing satellites up in space as we speak. The ain't
no new life form come out there, like we're blowing
(48:51):
stars up still to this day. Like so I know
it's a creator. And just by you even saying that
to me in the conversation I just with my daughter
two weeks ago, it's like, you know, when the light
bulb cut on, I gotta pick it up. I gotta
open the book now.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Because it's like, see me, like I never really knew
that God gave us a manuscript for life, like you
feel not say like you know how like when you
go in the best Buy and you might buy like
a stereo system or flat screen TV and everything electronical. Right,
it comes with a book that's right, so you can
(49:29):
learn how to work it. If it tweaks, it could
work a lot better. You feel to say, you read
instructions the Bible, that's our book.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
See, but I always thought, because not to be naive,
but from the women, you know, you always see the
trappers go to church. So it's felt like when you
at the end of your rope. Do you turn to
this like you know, a lot of people, you see,
a lot of fiends went like when they got clean,
went the church. So I always thought it was like
(49:59):
a rule b It was like, man, I don't listen
to my moms. I'm not gonna listen to no book. Yeah. See,
but a lot of that stuff what you're saying actually
goes down in the church.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
But once you open up the Bible and and God
actually be able to speak to you, it's gonna hit
you way different. See, the church people will come in
church on Sunday and they best outfit boom, and then on.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Monday they.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Read the Bible and stuff like that, and you read
some of the commandments and stuff like that that God
actually wants you to do in order to get inside
of His kingdom. Because see, the churches try to make
you think that the commandments are done away with.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
But it's not like say like I mean, you.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Know, they try to make you think like all you
gotta do is have faith in Christ. Like another word,
you could go kill somebody, stab him with death. As
long as you have Jesus in your mind while you
stabbing him, you're good.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
That's crazy. Not killed. I know that, you know what
I'm saying. So yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
So it's just certain things that once you open up
the book yourself and you read it to your daughter
like boom, and take a time, that's the time, and
go through scripture, the scripture, youre gonna.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Be like this, Oh yo, I ain't gonna find I
see what the nigga drags talking? You know what I'm saying. No, definitely,
I'm gonna check it out, man, And like you even
saying you're an Israelite and even breaking it down because
you know, growing up in New York where they be
like yo, the Israelites out there, it's smoky on the corner.
They out there, try to slap niggers, they yelling on
the mic. You ain't one of the god. So for
(51:41):
you to even be talking like, you know, we grow
up with what they call it. What's the word I'm
looking for? Well, we stereotype certain people. So I'm glad
you even bought it up and broke light to it
like this because a lot of people might feel like me, man, yo,
you niggas like the like a gang over there, like.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
They over there, they over there actually fighting for us
though world say like like like, look like the next
time you come across a group of is like and
you know how they be dressed. They ready for the
apocalypse right now, just standing there for like ten minutes.
Just give them ten minutes of your life right quick.
(52:19):
I guarantee you gonna be like this. Oh hold on,
wait a minute. These niggas is yelling and fighting.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Because as a kid with brother walking through the city
with my moms, Yeah, my come on, somebody trying to
hit you in the ass and I gotta fight down.
But they just been yelling at anybody I'm like, So
as a kid, I just always was like, nah, they're
they're tripping over now. I don't know what they talk about,
but I'm gonna walk a little faster.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Like when I was younger, I thought the same thing.
I'm like this, ah man, now I gotta walk past,
and they're gonna do you right here.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
How you don't understand you original man, It's like what
I'm going to get some jointings saying what are you
talking about? I come outside for that to day. But
they actually over there trying to teach you to have
your faith in Christ, but to show you how to
love God. Because just saying that you love God is
just not enough for God. You know what I'm saying,
(53:10):
And it says that the Bible, like saying that you
love me is just not enough. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
You have to do this, you have to do that,
you have to do this, And a lot of people
think it's grievous, but it's not. It be it'd be
like small things you feel like saying. Like in the Bible, right,
God says he like his is youre like men to
wear beards. So I started growing my beard. See it's simple, ship.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Connect. I don't let you know. It's not gonna get that.
Then think up from Philly. Shit start growing, definitely my
ship don't connect. My gen just growing to a little spike.
They go think I'm all so ludicrous or Cisco when
they first came word out.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, but that's the light commandment that that God says
in the joint that I feel as though it was
kind of smooth.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Feel you can shave it up, but just let it grow.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Because in the Bible, God says it's a way to
show him that you love him. So I'm like, do
you know what I do love him?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
So let me just you know what I'm saying. So
if y'all see me wolf it just know yeah, so
I did it. He converted me. Ya Hey, my brother man.
I appreciate you. Man, this is this has been enlightened.
I know people definitely happy to see you. You know,
I'm happy to see you. I know we're gonna definitely
(54:34):
connect all for this serious. If people looking for you were,
can they find you? Plug them in everywhere they could
tap in with you. Yo. Find me on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
My Instagram is dragged underscore on one because I stay
on one, you know what I'm saying. Also, I opened
up a can do business for my daughter that's doing great.
I appreciate everybody that's been showing love because I've been.
I've been, I've been dumping boxes. Appreciate y'all listen her Instagram.
(55:11):
The instagram for the candle page is black key Candle.
You know what I'm saying. Black key like a key
in the door, black key candle. All one word follow that.
That's my daughter's candle page is doing great. I appreciate
all the support. Also for those that don't know, my
(55:31):
wife also have a candle business called light by Fire.
To say so go follow that. Yes, we surrounding around
beautiful sense and frequency relaxing, but go follow those pages. Listen,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I just follow the black key candy. Okay, follow light
by Fire you said, right, God like underscored by Underscore Fire.
Because my wife is a candle free We and Marshoes
talk and I mean I'll be going there with her
thinking we're going to buy some food with TV something
and we get a whole shopper car full of candle. Yeah,
(56:07):
who's gonna support the fan? Man? I appreciate that word.
We on it. Man, It's been a pleasure, Drag. I
appreciate you coming through. You know, you my brother. Anytime
you got anything to promote, even if you just want
to get a word out, you feel like, no doubt
they don't hear your voice enough. Bro. My platform is
your platform. You know it's Rockefeller Rough Riders to the death. Bro,
(56:28):
And I always love you as continue to stay blessed man,
health wives. We've been a family, and do what you do, man,
And trust me, I'm not just saying this. I'm gonna
definitely get through at least three chapters. If it don't
catch me in three I'm a promised three. All right,
look so you know what?
Speaker 2 (56:47):
So look, so you know what starting Dooderonomy, Chapter twenty eight,
Dounonomy chap.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Chapter twenty eight. And if you forget it, I'm gonna
tell you starting to do it because see it's important
for you to start right there, because that's gonna give
you one of my because people like this. Yeah, how
you know you from the tribe of Judah. How you know?
How you know the Puerto Ricans is this? How you
know that Dominicans? Is this?
Speaker 2 (57:14):
See the dude aroundomy that chapter chapter twenty eight. Uh,
it gives you the blessings from one to fourteen, right,
and then from fifteen to sixty eight, right, it gives
you the curses.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
These curses is only gonna fit certain people.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Like You're gonna know you feel not say like like
like like the blacks part of our curses was right?
How I know from the tribal Judica, cause he told
the tribal Judah, I'm gonna put y'all. He told the
southern tribe, I'm gonna put y'all in slavery ships, in bondage,
and y'all gonna be sold for slave men and slave women,
(57:56):
And I'm gonna put this on you, like and y'all
gon to go through shifts and you're gonna have yolks
of eyron around your neck. Like it's certain things that
you can acts. Let's say, like a Puerto Rican their
history and they're gonna know, oh no, that only happened
to us.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yes, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
So that's why I say to read and if you're
gonna start anywhere, it's the fifth book in there, you
feel to say that book is written by Moses. Yes,
that book is written by Moses, like Moses wrote the
first five books of the Bible. Right, So that's by
Moses and Moses and chapter and chapter twenty eight from
one to sixty eight. It gives the blessings and the curses,
(58:38):
and see which one fits your people, like like your
ethnic background, whether you're Black, or whether you're Jamaican, or
whether you Puerto Rican, whether you're Dominican, whether you whatever.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
Every been through their own crisis right where y'all know,
y'all history start from there, Just start from right there. Yeah,
And I'm telling you all of this is like click it.
I just came from Saint marn for my wife's birthday,
and they took us on some excursion called the Moses Walk.
When we was walking through water like where it's a
part of the ocean where it's literally you walk and
(59:11):
it looked like you're walking on water, and they said,
it's the Moses Walking. Now you tell them it's too much.
Everything is clicking, man, everything is clicking. But I'm definitely
on it. Like I said, I appreciate you being some
of my brother and this always family. Y'all already know
what it is. This is riding solid, definitely brought to
you by du say in the streets. If you ain't
drinking what we drinking, you hiding in the crib. It's
(59:33):
rock solid, y'all. Yeah, it is. For more podcasts from
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