Episode 2 w/ Young Guru

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all?

Speaker 2 (00:00):
This is your main man, Memphis Bleek right here.

Speaker 3 (00:02):
Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
at Drink Champs.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Big with this year, Memphis, I'm back at it, niggas.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Notice the difference, just more chron present, no stones, what
a do y'all you already know we back with another
exclusive live episode of Rock Solid. Here got my motherfucking
brother in the building, my ace boom coom.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
You know everybody, no hove is my god.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
But where if it's ever anybody that's close to hole
in that position is this guy right here? My brother
young Ghould. Welcome to the show. You know you more
than rock Salid.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
My jeep G. Good to see you.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Man. How you been man, I know you've been all
over the world.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
No Beyonce toil jay Z secretly recorded, I'm saying, it's
a lot of shit going on with my man.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Your goo. Yeah, you know what it is. You know
what it is, Bleak.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Then you got the Rock Nation school.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
They don't even know my God principal in these streets yo.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yo o lord yo, they be sitting Nigga City dean
offense man.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
You gotta you gotta what you I'm the director. I'm
the director, so we you know what I'm saying. The
same thing is is like we always giving back, you
know what I'm saying. So, so we put everything that
we do underneath a rock nation. We put it basically
in Long Island University in Brooklyn, right across the street
from juniors. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, shout out juniors, Shout out BK that used to
be the l i U University.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Shout out whole for too much fucking money.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Nah. But we we put three different majors in there,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm in charge of
Music Technology Entrepreneurship Production. It's called MTEP. Right, it's a
it's a track that we got. Basically, when you come
to the school, it's still going to l You're still
going to college, you get a bachelor's degree.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Okay, it's still LU who just partner up?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Same thing as if
like say you went for nursing. You know what I'm saying,
You would go to l i U, but your school
would be nursing. This is the same thing. You go
to l IU, but your school is Rock Nation, you
know what I'm saying. So we got the music, we
got a vocal track, so vocal performance, and we also
got you know, the same thing we do with the management.
So we have a sports management and the sports management

(02:22):
actually has a bachelor's and a masters. Y'all hear that?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Man? Y'all kids man coming out of high school the
Rock Nation school hit.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Up my man goo you know what i mean. Principal Google,
y'all lean on me.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
That's how he walk in the halls. But we were
gonna dive into all of that. I want to really
get started this one off because my bro and we've
been through pardon me, we've been through so much. Man,
Let's talk about how we first linked up, how this brotherhood.
You know, I want to give a big thanks to

(02:56):
my girl, law Reale. You know what I'm saying. If
it wasn't for how, I wouldn't even know my brother
right here. No, that's that's a key factor. Like Lareel,
you know what I'm saying, changed my life like crazy, bro,
and I remember how it happened. Shout out b Stanley.
You know what I'm saying. He was the engineer. He
had something popping off that day and he called out,
and I remember Loreel running in. She like, bleak, I
got another engineer from Delaware, but he in DC right now?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
No that he ready to pull up.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think he was at Daddy's house at the time
at Puff Studio, and I was like, I was like.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yo, all right, cool, do he know how to do
he roll up?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Do? He smoked?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
She like I believe.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
So I'm like, well, tell him pull up? And Google
came through Man and changed my life, changed the history.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
And trajectory of rock.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
It's crazy that you say that, because it's like I
always wanted to ask you. I always say that interviews.
You know what I'm saying, Like, there's no secret you
changed my life, Bro.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Jay, I appreciate change my same vice versa, because you
made me understand being a more professional in the studio.
You know what I mean, Like you Shane rest in peace, Commal,
you know what I'm saying. Like that that trilogy and
baseline man, y'all called the way of how I go
to the studio today and record.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's like, I don't know what it was, but I
was like I always tell people. I was like, man,
like I got my man was you know, I don't
know what it was. He was sick or he was
having a baby or something like that. And when me
and you got together on that first session, I was
just like we just clicked yup super and and you
basically saying, I'm gonna call go back. I want I

(04:31):
want him again, I'm.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Saying every day. And then Hope stole you. You know
what I'm saying, stole.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
You know what I'm saying that he whole engineer saw good.
That's my bro. But Yo, from there, we went on tours.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
We did, yo, bro, We done did million countless sessions
man like to the point I remember when we uh
when we found out we were spending too much money
in baseline, when we finally went over the numbers.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
But listen, it'd be hard sometime. Pause. You know what
I'm saying. Crazy sometimes when you go to the A
and R meeting and it was a real story where
you know, I'm sitting in front of J I'm sitting
in front of LA and they're like, yo, ghol, you
spent this amount. How I'm getting my money back exactly.
And that's when I was like, oh, man, like yo,

(05:22):
like I came straight through you were like, Yo, we
gotta come to my house.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
We got tightened up, so we moved. We moved the
session everything to Google house. He had the studio just
like this studio set up in the crib and the shad.
I remember all the kids young coming in. My g
had to go out change change diapers, make bodies in
the middle of the sessions. But we were so ahead
of time, you know, because a lot of these artists
now record their self. We was doing this twenty years

(05:48):
ago almost now, you know what I'm saying. And I
remember we thought that we were going to get the budget.
We did everything, We calculated all the money, how much
we spent, featured all this everything. Me and Gooseen there
like yeah, Rock Rock, I think it was still Rockefeller
at the time. Yeah, they owe us X y Z
Goo brings the you know invoice, the whole they booked us.

(06:13):
End of the story is they robbed us with no gun.
Them niggas said, y'all ain't got no LLC, y'all ain't
got this.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
We was young, so we didn't really know what it was.
But like it was, it was crazy just putting that
together and the history that we did. Yo, bro, like
that was the That was the crazy part. Like from
from baseline to the crib.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
To the crib to rock the mic to everywhere. We
don't record it everywhere, my g like, but just think
we gave them a free album bro five three four.
So they talking about where the money coming from, how
they gonna get their money back. Y'all recouped the first
day and hit the stores. They ain't spend no money,
like yo. That was one of the illest things. Then

(06:58):
me and my g I remember when we first got
our money. We in Miami. I think this when Jay
first met b they was having We was having the
all white party. We let anybody shopping. This is the
real Miami got.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
You gotta tell you, gotta tell the whole story, because
it was like people think we get the invites ten
days earth.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh no, we got the insult that morning.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So that morning, yes whole and specifically through Colleen, like
y'all we having an all white party, and like I
was like, we in Miami.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I don't got no all white exactly. So I had
to go out and remember figure out the outfit.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
There was no stores in Miami like today. It was.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
This is when Miami just was one Ruffle of Rent
store on the corner and by the the Lowe's Hotel.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
They just had I think it was KFC. That was it.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Then you had to go way out the Dauphin Mall
or the swap Me. I think we all went to
the Purple Label store.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Nah. It was crazy. So I went out. You know
what I'm saying, we get to shoot get your little
but you can't just get white PAMs. You got to
get the linen. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it
was like a scar fall, but I'm six five.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
They don't let size. We had the improvise, so you
do what you do.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
That night. It was crazy because it was like, yo,
we started at one spot, went to up Right and
it was like.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
We walked it into different spots.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Hold on, but we walked in. They had everything on trays.
They was like, yo, you know you want to drink, smoke,
you want to do whatever it was who was chilling.
We had to, you know what I'm saying, a little spot.
Then jay Lebron get up. Yeah. It was like yo,
we're gonna go to the club. Yeah. So this rookie year,

(08:44):
rookie year, we walked down the street. It's seventy five
people were all white on all white. So we get
to the front of the club and the promoter was like,
who wit y'all everybody in all white? Everybody in all yo.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
We went in that game if it was their clue,
everybody man. But I'm just thinking about before the day
even started, when we was looking for our outfits. I
remember me and you, this is like our first time
touching some real paper, and I remember we all chilling
walking through and we bought them dumb ass Lockman's Yo,
my j like we literally winning the store. It like

(09:24):
fuck it, let's grab this.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I don't know what it was. It was just like
I'm with you, I'm with the crew, yep.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Free everybody was there bean.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
And we was getting it. So it was just like, Yo,
what you want five ten for this watch? Yeah? Nothing,
it's nothing. Were like swiping. We good.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Everybody bought it. It's you freeway. All the crack even
bought one that day.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Everybody bought a Lockman And I believe that watch went
out of style as soon as we brought it. As
soon as we walked out of store to Lockman went
out of business.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
That was the fun we was having. Word out like
we was the Miami trips. You know what I'm saying,
Like that the month we spent in Miami, that that
was a brotherhood. That was like we couldn't you know
what I'm saying, We can't replace.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
That, yo, But now that is a budget we blew.
We blew that budget because we went to Miami for
the Beans and Bleak album.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Na okay, so so so slow up though, slow up,
slow up. So because I always tell people this, because
I'll be like, yo, the Miami trip started, It really
started with the party. Hold on. It started with your
brother getting hurt. Oh yeah, yes, yes, and then dre yes,
and then we said, y'all, we're gonna move everything down
to Miami and we're gonna go to Circle House. And

(10:46):
we locked our Circle House for thirty days.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
That was the worst, y'all. It's the worst and the
best studio ever invented at the same time. If you
have your worst place and best place in the same place,
shout out to a be yo, babe, because that studio
spoiled us.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Remember in baseline only whole had the studio.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Broget where they got the bottles of Chris or whatever
they drink.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It saying the worst because it was too it was
too luxury.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
We didn't know what We come to the studio, y'all
got chefs, this the pool, the jakoujie, we young.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
We got young females breezing through all day.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Niggas like record Now we there near Rockefeller Pawn at
this point, like.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
We ain't trying to make no records. I might need them.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
To holler at us crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So we basically blew the budget. But one one thing
I got to say. I always said this Freeway took
full fucking events.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Right, Yo. What was crazy was we was down there
and you was working, Beans was working, y'all was working
at opposite time. Beans like like you you were super early.
Wa want to get my money? You know what I'm saying.
And I would tell people like Bleak would be at

(12:10):
baseline by like no. The Beans would call me at
like eleven twelve at night and be like ya, yeah, yeah,
I'm coming and be there too all night. That was
like we've seen it in Miami. So then Freeway was
like after three four days. He looked at Justin be like, yo,

(12:30):
like you're giving all the beats the Beans and Bleak,
I can't get nothing. So we was on our way
to the Strip Club. I remember we.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Did.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
It was in Miami, and Freeway was like, yo, come on,
just like, let me get something, and he cooked up
rocked the mic right there, and that's when it flipped
to becoming the state property album.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Free came back with them smokers because only record me
and Beans did was Hipnow.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, but that's still still we got records done. You
did more. You did more than we got a.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Couple of unreleased Beans and Bleak records. It just never
came out. We just never dropped it. We never finished
the project nothing.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
But you made me argue you into hypnotic.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yes, because Yo, that's the illest because I ain't.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Even want to do that. Yeah, you didn't want to
do the beat Beans had. That's another beat that I
was like, Yo, you gotta do this beat.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yep. It wasn't till Beans set the whole tone member
Beans had the studio dark, can't doce burning, I come
in there, everything hypnotic.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I was like, wait a minute, now I feel the vibe.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Let's go, and I did my verse and then when
Hove came and he heard it, he like, I gotta
get on this is bugging.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I need to see it this now. That was the
first time. That trip to when he came down was
the first because we were shooting a video for for Beans.
Forget which record it was, but that was the first time.
Like no, no, because he was starting a meeting and
he was like trying to ask why you and Bean's.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Album wasn't done. We wasn't doing no records.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
So he didn't start the meeting until I got there.
He was like, Yo, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (14:11):
They don't know, man, we spent so much money in
that studio, man, circle house. I think y'all that came
up with us. Man, y'all might owe it's a free
session at this point, one on the house, Like come on, man, yo.
Then they showed us love.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
BB showed us love and and and what's crazy is
that the last day of our organized session, like say
you paid for thirty days was notine eleven.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Damn. That's crazy because I went.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Google being just was trapped in the studio and the
BB and the BB let us stay there for like
another two weeks cause we couldn't get a plane with
the trail.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Flew that morning they shut everything down. That's crazy. Yeah,
if you blew my head off with that one that
I now, I had a real question that Nori. He
always texts me. He's like, I don't care who from Rockefeller,
you gotta ask this question. But before we get to
that question, I got a question on my own. Out

(15:14):
of all the artists, of course, not exclude Hove, exclude
me because.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's like biased. You came in with me, so I
don't want you.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
To be like, yeah, you out of all the artists,
I'm talking about everybody, mop a meal, fucking rel you
know what I'm saying, beans, free, p D, crack fucking shit,
you young guns. Definitely fucking old as sparks. Who would
you say was the easiest and the hardest artist to

(15:48):
work with? That Like, you ain't gotta say nothing to you,
just get in there and do his thing. And then
the one person that's like your fan, I told you
seven times, spit that word over.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
No, that's hard to say. That's hard to say because
it's like I don't know you, because you know it'd
be like and I'm gonna say it only you. It's
me and you, so the people are understanding, right, So
it's like almost like your kids. So I love all
my kids, but they different, you know what I'm saying. Yes,

(16:21):
so like my oldest daughter and the way that she is,
my second daughter, my twins. You know, they're all different
about about shipping on them. It's not for a session.
Let me let me explain to you what I'm saying.
It'd be different emotions, you know what I'm saying. So

(16:41):
whole is gonna like sit there and figure out the
rhyme and like say good to this makes sense and
me and you was on the like it's only like this,
my brother, I'm making joints with them, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
But yeah, I ain't gonna front used to have me
frustrated something write a rhyp google be like say said
that word three times already. Come on, we're gonna put
that word off through the rhyme. You serious word.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Word because I'm trying to I'm trying trying to be
like yo like.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
And then when Jez came out repeating whole sentences I
used to be like, I would have been the first.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
We was trying to make the best rhyme. You know
what I'm saying. Used to be like goo it trusts me.
But look even that when you're saying that that's the
fact that me and you could like you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, it ain't no like yo, he trying
to play me or this and this and that. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
We brothers right, Yeah it was yo, bro. I never
took nothing personally all the day making the best records.
We did everything, man, Like. I remember me and Goul
in the crib recording man, and we hit a hit
the block like we ain't know what to do. So
me and Gool like, fuck it, let's go to the
store get some back we're smoking backwards. Yeah, like, let's
get some backwards. And we run into a nigga in

(17:58):
the store like, yo, bleak.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
What up yo goo?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I make beats Yo.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I live out here Newark, and Gul like all right, yo,
I know the homie from the block come to the
crib and we and there he come to the crib,
played in some heat. We end up doing Hater Free
that night and fucking he turned out to be Shaye
Taylor now here producing for Beyonce out here moving Shay,
you owe me a beat.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
If I never.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Bought Backwoods, you hurt.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
We didn't know me and Gouda have been through it all, man,
But one thing I got to set up because Timberland
and Swiss they got verses. I got my own verses.
We're gonna do this one. And if anybody still its idea,
somebody suit him for me because this you heard it here.
First we need a DJ versus and the first two

(18:51):
people on my DJ versus is my bro It just
fucking blade.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, go there, Yo, listen, yod, I don't know, all right.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
You're gonna go there, yo, who is a major nice DJ?
But one thing I can say.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
About my brother's almost like he from Marcy because you
a competitive mother.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
And only certain things that I take super serious, like
we could we could do whatever, you know what I'm saying,
competitive and I lose and I'd be like, all right, cool.
But it's certain things that I take super serious. I
think one of them is basketball and one of them
is DJing.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I think that's the only time I ever saw you
like that, upset, like usually you know you upset, but
you composed some family show.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
This happened, nigga, bullshit. Now what happened was? What happened
was I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you the
whole story. So it was it was a day that
we was doing the E. P M D record over
with you and Bean.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Ye they're so what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
So so we was happy because we was like, Yo,
we're gonna get DJ Scratched to come in and do
the Scratches live, you know what I'm saying. So we
set up, we rented, we got scratched the door over,
so we had the turntable, you know, Me and Justice like,
you know what I'm saying, scratch and scratch me, you
and just Scratches a legend. So it's like us trying

(20:23):
to set it up for him so that he's comfortable
when he come in and be like, Yo, it's already
set up. You ain't gotta you know what I'm saying,
mess with that boom. So we had everything set up
to turntables to mix in the middle. Everything was weighted perfectly,
me and you know, everything for Scratch. So then afterwards
it was just guy, this ship popping, you know what
I'm saying, Start start in the.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Studio, and I just so happened to walk in the
road and they talked the ship like what I.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Smoked you on these tables just like what set it up?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
So you know me Barcy instigator, y'all niggas, let me
see this bat who go down and the who went down?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I ain't gonna say who.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Ain't nobody win, But all I know is my man
who wanted to fight. And I was sitting there like
no way it just you know, he wanted to get
back to Zelda, but he wanted to fight too, and
I'm looking at him like no wagon.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Now you say, like, I don't like that when people
battle and like they lose and they don't want to
say they lost because because.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Because it's got it, because I'm av you ain't have yet.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
No, No, I'm into I'm into reggae battles. I'm into
all types of battles. So if if you come out
and you lose that night, you gotta say you lost.
So that night, No, that night, I was like just
was scratching. He was killing it right, he was going right.
So I'm trying to beat Juggle and the ship was
skipping on me and I lost and I was like,

(21:51):
but I was I was so heated.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
You had never seen me in that before where I
was like, what the.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
That I had lost that in front of everybody that, yeah,
I was ready to fight. I was like, yo, it
was like it was like the night it was like, okay,
just as the video game king in baseline, right, Yo,
he's a video game king. Nobody being him a two
K no, no, but the one I'm relaying this to
the story you just told. So the one night that

(22:20):
I beat just in a video game, I don't even
remember what it was he was on. I was there
for that too.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
I was there for that that wasn't I think it
was it was NBA Live because it wasn't too K.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Then it was NBA Live on Madden and you whipped
them in the room.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Right, See that like video games and somebody control everything
video came about.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
But they love it.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
But they got major competitive beef and I love it.
That just so happened to have been there for both
for y'all competition. But another thing go, and I gonna lie,
we don't. I don't seen the book of whole ship.
I don't seen the book that was really dope. No,
how you how you feel like you got it, you can't.
You can't skip over that.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So, first of all, being everybody, everybody got to realize
that we kept at a secret from Hole. I know,
we kept a stupid we kept a super secret from Hope.
So it was like, you know, something monumental to be
like yo, fiftieth You know what I'm saying, hip hop

(23:30):
what I would like to get out there or what
or people don't really realize is the museum was doing fun.
The library was wasn't. That's right, And so with whole
stepping in making this exhibit, it brings the library to
a certain point. You know what I'm saying. When people
are now getting library cards, you know what I'm saying,

(23:52):
And like.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Basically you know, kept the library going.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
For your whole time, you know what I'm saying, right.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
And staple that Brooklyn been there since man I could remember.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
So we try to keep it a secret until they
like wrap the whole.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, and then everybody on you know what i mean,
everybody on there and my man Meek mil too, shout
out Meek. That's my bro, he said the direct flip.
But yeah, the book a whole I ain't on front.
That blew my mind just to be in the museum,
like I'm born and raised there. You know, my my
my grandma's is from Ebbittsvield.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
So I walked past that library my whole life going
to Prospect Park, so to walk in the library, bring
my kids there and they be able to see me
the history that we accomplished together. It's remarkable, man Like,
there's no words to put to that, but I was
saying that because you gotta make your book goop. Seriously,

(24:47):
I think it's time for you to release your book,
like because Baseline didn't.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Roll without Guru.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
When Guru said I gotta go home, I'm going to
take a shower. The studio basically it is closed. Everybody
just sitting in there playing dice on the pool table.
Niggas just in there watching YouTube. Niggas is bullshitting in
the studio.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
It was.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It was a super like intuitive.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
It was an intuitive, broken down everything step by step,
basically pro tools book for dummies, like they have the
Crash course for people who don't know you know, And
I feel like that book taught me pro Tools for
the Knights that you used to leave.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
And I'd be like, damn Shane with a book at
Shane has showed.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Me the book, I'd be like, like this wire go
hear this plug and go here we hit this button, shang,
hit that button.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm a run in the booth and do this verse.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
And from there, I bought a laptop, bought an M
box and bro I used to record shit. I did
the record with MOP in my hotel room, like you
heard the fame on the record, Like damn, y'all, don't
take the mic in the bathroom or nighting.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Like so that's all for you.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
So I feel like that book is pivotal, like people
would want to copy of that and learn from that
because what these kids doing today, man, is it's not
what we learned.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Trust me, because I get it. I get it. It
was just you know, for the people don't realize I
was there for four days straight. You know what I'm saying.
I'm like ya, like a shower yep. So while I'm gone,
here's how you work everything in here, you know what
I'm saying, so that the work don't have to stop.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
But that's but I take time to break down. But
you see how you walked in here. You're like, yo,
these plugins don't have no compressor in ninety thousand for
the board, it's not one compressor. I tell people all
the time googe the all recorded ship. He will walk
in your studio and tell you it's not right. Everything
is off, everything is wrong. It's just like how pain

(26:45):
are walking and know the pain is not right, bro,
Like it's not smooth.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Here, it's lumpy. You know what I'm saying that, And
that's how.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You That's what Baseline was like. You know what I'm saying. Yes,
we had it the way we wanted it, and you
have to worry about the equipment, No at all. Now
you go to studios, equipment, they're right. O. G Ward
spent that that grip. He made sure everything was a
one and if it broke, we bought a new one.
And it was comfortable and it was like multiple rooms,

(27:12):
and it was like, you know what I'm saying, the
vibe that we had.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
While all these dudes that got studios with multiple rooms,
this is a good because you said it was multiple
rooms and we never had this problem. And I know
you know what I'm about to say. You going on
these studios. The A room got ac but the b
room don't. What the fuck is that about? Like everybody
b room just hot?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Like yo. Now it's difficult nowadays because it's it's people
don't really realize what it means when they say the studio. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. So people think like setting
up a computer and a couple of little things is
a studio, and it's not really you know what I'm saying.
So to the point of building a room inside of

(27:55):
a room and different design tech nis and things that
you don't got to worry about because it was like
yo goo know about it, you know what I'm saying.
So it's not really about the quality of what good
enough matters now, not great, not perfect, not it's just

(28:18):
good enough. It's like in the sixty five on the test.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's like in the sixty five they don't want to past.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yeah, past and that, and you're right, that's what's going
on today is just good enough. It's not great. This
kid's not perfecting and not taking a time to learn
the craft, you know what I'm saying. That's one thing.
And I know being around you, like see, I'm not
familiar with this guy's music, but I got.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Familiar with it through you two people.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
So this is a two part like question for me
because I learned about these two individuals through you. One
both rest in peace, Damn God, you know what I mean,
God bless Jay Diller had a major influence on you
going here, like's not a studio session, go by that,
that name don't come up. And then m F. Doom

(29:08):
so had not known who the hell that was if
it wasn't for Gool. He used to make sure y'all
niggas going know what this underground sound like I do it?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
You know what I'm saying backwards? But doing was like
my man Ben big Ben, you know what I'm saying,
bring us all together? Yes, right, So my man big
Ben was a hype man. They just call him big Ben,
the klingon in the Doom. You know what I'm saying, world,

(29:37):
He was one of my dudes. They used to come down,
you know, when I was at Howard. He was he
was a Howard student and he would bring like Lord Saya,
uh uh, Curious George, all of them. You know what
I'm saying, be rahming against my dudes. And that's how
I met m F. Doing what's through what's through Big Ben.

(30:00):
But Doom was just like the Ron patterns and you
know what I'm saying, like it was different from what
we were doing. Yes, but yeah, he was dumb nice,
super nice, and Dila was the dealer. Thing was like
I had never heard nobody chop records like that and
make you know what I'm saying, the drum padn is

(30:20):
so loose. And then the ill part was early early on,
he was messing with be Hot you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
and and and he was like, you know, like helping
him in New York, like not managing them, but like
helping them, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, I'll
try to get you yeah, no, no. And the crazy

(30:43):
part is I said to him, I was like, yo,
just give me a session with him, like I just
want to see if it's real, like way early, and
he got me a session. He got me, Yeah, he
got me session. You know what I'm saying. For people
that don't know, that's Jake Cousin, you know what I'm saying.
And he got me a session. And I sat there
with Diler, Me and him just rolled up all day smoked,
you know what I'm saying. He was making joints and I

(31:05):
was just like, Yo, this dude nice, like dumb nice,
you know what I'm saying. But he was every producer.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, he had producer pays how muche to Jay Diller, like.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Because his swing you know what I'm saying, and the
looseness of his beats was just like and the way
he chopped samples was crazy. And you know that movie
is on every.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Day, Yeah all day, Yo, talking about that chopping samples.
This wasn't even say how you feel. I'm gonna have
my homie up here too, because I want to. I
want to ask him, But Yo, tel niggas man? Was
it real in the studio with the big and the
just blade shit by g Like, bro, It's like we

(31:44):
had to keep these dudes separated.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Well, I'm the person and I could say this proudly
who has always tried to mend that particular relationship. Yeah,
cause it's like nobody in the world can say that
they have tried harder than me to men that particular thing.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I feel if we would have kept them, if them
two would have stayed in the studio A and B room,
I don't think Rockefeller would have saw dead.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
You know again, because when that's what I can only
have my saying, my way of saying, how can I
broke a piece thing?

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Because when Bank left, that's when Ye came around harder
and Ye felled that b room.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
But it was bing in the a room first. And
just Bank was definitely for the history. Bank was definitely
the first person at baseline, first person.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Like a lot of people think, you know, just did
a lot of the records, but they don't understand Bank
did a lot.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Of our records. But then it's like I don't want
them to Both of them.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Are part of a history that's right, that magnificent and
it's bigger than life. The reason why is history, and
that's why I want them together because it's like you're
stronger together than the part especially in the team. Man,
you know what I'm saying, like whole say, when the
family is no nobody wins when the family fu.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, I would just you know one and a record
that like you know, I've definitely over the years tried
to put even up to now, have tried to be
like how do I you know what I'm saying, make
it a piece thing between that particular thing we might
have to have a versus fuck it the record, not
even not even that, like just just on some real

(33:34):
like you know, fuck it Swiss hog that be producer
versus that serious I'm just like, on some real I
want that. Yeah, no, no tension, no nothing.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Because they both two of the greatest producers I have
ever ever liked that I ever worked with. I honestly say,
there's not a record or beat being played me that.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I was like, nah, go to that one.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
It's not a record or beat that just blazes played that.
I was like, nah, not that. I may just give
me round here. Remember he didn't even want to give.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Me to be like now this, I give you a
lot of credit for around here too, Yeah, because back
then just made the beat. You know what I'm saying.
Obviously it's in a certain vein, but you was always
the person that way before then was always on the South,
like Southern records and and and and just putting us

(34:32):
up on Southern you know what I'm saying. I was like,
bleak is the Southern connect. So yeah, even even even
for around here where it was like yo for you,
I think it was just like, oh t I popping
right now in the South, like let.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Me get remember saying why T I like and Yo,
shout out to you because you know he charged me
five grand for that verse. That's probably like a honey
racks right now for a t I verse. But Hoo
was like, why.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Are we giving it?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Who the fuck is t I?

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Why we give it him?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Five bread man?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
We got Beanie.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Singel here doing for free, and I'm like, yeah, but
they might know Beans down man, Like I need a
new nigga.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, the round here was definitely a It was like
it was a perfect like you record. A lot of
times people don't know it'll be like your personality, you
know what I'm saying. So to me, round here was
just like a perfect you because you always been and
I mean everybody from the South, you always.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
A lot of people don't know that BG album Trick
that all Trick Daddy albums come on, man, all of them.
That Book of Thugs come on that that still get rotation,
Like you know what I'm saying, mysticol before all the
other ship, the real, the mystical where he was the
James Brown, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
You know I was.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
I was on the South Man, no limit, cash money hard,
you know what I mean? Eight ball m J G
Man fucking kidding me. I was riding dirty out here
in New York. Yeah, I don't understand it, boy, So
of course a lot of people would definitely want to know.
I know, so this ain't a question for me. This
is like I said, I tweeted out Yo. Any questions

(36:15):
y'all got for good niggas like yeah, asks Google what
a session with whole is?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Like what they mean with us?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Like I guess they mean, like how is it is working?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's the same. It's the same as like me and you.
You know what I'm saying, Like we we we sit down,
we listen to music, we pick a beat. You know
what I'm saying, And that's part of my what I do.
I can't tell you what speaks to you, So I'm
I'm gonna bring you what I think is good. Yes,

(36:47):
you know what I'm saying, and then what speaks to you?
Then I'm gonna say, what is this saying? And then
you start coming with a concept and spitting ideas. And
I don't ever want somebody to think like I have
a rope one of your know what I'm saying. When
you sitting there and you're like, yo, this be the
saying this and this might be the hook or this
is the verse, then I start going, Okay, take the

(37:08):
thus and the it's out that's the one. You know
what I'm saying. Take the.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
How many like chill changed that out?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
The flow could be but you know what I'm saying.
But so it's not like that's what vocal code people say,
vocal coaching. You know what I'm saying. It's not necessarily
I'm not telling you what to say. Just yeah, just
when you write, I'm there with you while you're writing.
It's definitely that A and R slash engineer. It wasn't
just no engineer study that just pressed records. So that's
that's what it'd be like with holes. It like, you

(37:42):
know what I'm saying. You know the rhyme's gonna be good?
You know what I'm saying. Is it the right thing
that we're supposed to be saying at the given time?
Did you? You know what I'm saying? Go ahead. That's
the thing too.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
That's where my trainer throw was at when I said
I lost my trainer thought. One thing I always wanted
to clear up going and you you the perfect guy
who can help me clear this up because for so
long in my career, people believe Hoove was in the
studio with us. Remember you did after coming to Age.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Album they think he wrote your rhyme. Yes, he was
in the studio with me, he wrote he wrote one
rhyme and in the very beginning, as a teenager exactly
I was.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
I was fourteen when that guy, I didn't even know
what calibrium was, meant nothing.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
The rest of I'm a testament to it, that the
rest of the rest of your career. Because I come
in on the second album, on the second half, Yes,
is you writing all those rhymes exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Like, because you know when we was gonna do the verses.
You know what I mean with Santana. One thing Santana
said is I you can't if you're gonna do the verses,
you can't play none of the songs that hole wrote.
And I said, alright, cool, I wasn't playing coming to Age.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Anyway, Yes, one song.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
So you got a fucking problem. Man, You better read.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
But but you gotta think. You gotta think too. Okay,
Let's say a young kid, none of less, think about it,
a young kid you're getting on in the game, who
gives you this paper and says, memorize this, and as
soon as you can do this, you can get on.
But let's just think of coming to age too, So

(39:17):
you wrote coming to age too, and you got to
realize that coming to age two is a mental sport.
The whole thing is that the verses are all in
somebody head and y'all really throughout the whole song, if
you listen to it, y'all only said yo what one time.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
It's all what we think, It's all the thought process.
It's all thought because that's that's it.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
So a little homie, what up? That's it.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
He never supposed what he thinking. I'm thinking, and I'm
thinking he's thinking like that song. If you really dissect
that record, man, that ship. That's why I say, Man,
back then, you took like you said, you couldn't be good,
you had to be great, And when I came out,
it was no dudes my age like of course you
at ja ru jahru is a fucking next level phenomenon

(40:12):
out there. To keep telling him let me hold three muscles,
I'll be good. He was just next level right, and
all kind of big records.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
What what what? What was? Dope though, was like the
thing of like being at baseline making records, knowing what
that meant for because we had a we had a
perfect trifecta. Yup, so it was like me and Hop

(40:39):
is gonna be in the studio with y'all making record up,
you know what I'm saying. So then Lenny is gonna
be in the office. Lenny gonna be the fly, you
know what I'm saying, fresh every day boom bubbah boomb
and everybody loved Lenny. And then it's gonna be G
and G gonna go around and kiss the babies. He
gonna what I'm saying, get the things signed, he gonna
do g doing that. And then Bobby Dash here in

(41:02):
the radio radio.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, so all of that was working together.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yep, it was all cohesive. Everybody moving is one unit, right,
and that's what made Rockefellers so great at that time.
And I always say that was the best time of
my life because I ain't have to do nothing. All
I had to do was go in the studio round
the next day flex cluing them playing it. It's like,
oh shit, I ain't even know they got the record

(41:27):
because Bobby Dash took that record and took it to
the radio.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
But a lot of artists don't realize that where it
was like, that's the part that you're missing.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yes, as to why your record ain't popping. Yes, you
need that. You need that guy that's going. Bobby used
to be up there, bry And nearly all day, hanging
in high ninety seven, hanging in one oh five, Like Bobby,
what you was a He's like, Yo, I was at
the radio day, I'm in Baltimore tomorrow. I'm on these guys.
We was on everybody.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
What was What was crazy to me was like one
time when you called me, he was like, ghool, I
see everything I was doing that I ain't understand you
know what I'm.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Saying, Yo, That's what I got the seat of the
warehouse play because being from the artist side, you know,
you just in the studio right in rhymes, and I
call you and Jay when I got this chair of
you know, trying to be the CEO run my own company,
and you start figuring out, like, hold on, you're paying this,
of course this you need this person for that. It's like,

(42:23):
wait a minute, who was doing seven of those things?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And then Jay had doed all of this.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Man, I gotta call these niggas and thank them because
I didn't even know it was this much work into
putting out a project. Man, Like I just thought, right
the rhymes. You picked the beat. Next thing you know,
it's on the radio, but it's up. It takes a lot, man,
take money. It's more than money. It's more than raps.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, it's more than money. And that's that's the other
part that got to you know what I mean, let
people know because people think people think you can just
put money into it and buy it, and it's not
that because then the richest people would have all the
hit record. That's right saying can't.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Buy can't buy a Graham, You can't buy a hit.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
It don't make sense. But you do need the team, Yes,
where everybody believe and everybody is like on one accord and everybody,
you know what I'm saying, is moving like okay, this
is the decision whether or not. And that's one of
the things of soldiering, you know what I'm saying. So
if you want a team and your opinion is heard,

(43:21):
it may you may not agree with the decision that
everybody made, but you want a team. That's right, So
go with the decision.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Like that's how it happened with if going back around here,
remember Jay and Leon didn't want that record to come.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
There's plenty of records bro. And here again, here's where
the people mess up. You can't take it as like
Jay and Leor didn't mean you no harm. No, No,
they doing what they think is the best thing for
your career. That's right. So okay, so what let's say

(44:01):
they was wrong. Let's say it was wrong. Cool, they
still got the wisdom. So we don't have to sit
there and be like, yo, you was wrong a million times. No,
let me get some of that right. We just be like, yo,
it worked. The same thing they told me for what
we do it don't have no hook. And look that

(44:23):
was they immediately said to me, Google me and Hot
was like, Yo, this is the one. And they was like, good,
don't have no hook for what we do.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I never even know, you know, I never noticed that, bro,
that that record.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
You're right, don't no hook.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
And I say to people all the time, yo, radio,
don't play records without a hook, because that's what they
used to tell me.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
But look at what we do, we do what is wrong.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
As a fuck. It's phenomenal record.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
But I don't even look at it like that, That's
what I'm saying. I don't can't I say look at
it like that like as if they messed up. They
doing what they think is right. That's right. You know
what I'm saying. That was even as a parent. You
know what I'm saying, Like sometimes as a parent we
come in and we teach our kids based off of
what we think is right in our time period, that

(45:12):
it may be different for their time period.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I had a conversation like that with Daz. I remember
when Jay when we first talked about this, when Duce
first was getting large, and Jay like, yeah, I'm bringing
you on the Duce move. And Dad's was like, you
don't know nothing about no liquor. I said, you right,
we all ain't know nothing about none of this shit,
but we're doing it. You don't know what you know
until it's time to know it.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Man. That's you gotta get out. That's the beauty of
the thing is Like, imagine if somebody told you in
nineteen ninety three that this kid from Marsie Projects is
going to be a billionaire.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Go, I'd have been on a Latins carpet, right, I've
been like the little monkey on the carpet right with
him and the girl.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Now that's just the story of it, right, That's just
a story. Like you like Okay, cool. Now break down
the odds of that you actually know that person. Okay,
that's a bunch of people that you know from Marcie.
Now break down the odds that my mom and his
sister's best friends. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yo, I got hurry for that one because I remember
I remember asking my mom. This probably was like two
years ago, and I'm like, I asked my mom, Yo,
what made you move to Marsie Because we're originally from Brownsville,
like my mom's was born and raised in Rockaway Projects,
browns Reel, you know what I mean, Southern Avenue, Rockaway,
Dumont's that's.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
My It bugged me out when I when I found
out that she was related to dunck Down.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
That's right, Sean Price, my cousin, rest in peace, still
Smith and Wesson, you know, shout out, buck Shot, the
whole Louisville, the whole duck Down.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Man, that's my family.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I grew up with them, guys man, putting it work
in the ville, watching them come grind into what they became,
mega mega, mega successful, you know what I'm saying. So
I saw both sides, the underground, and then I was
with Hove in Marcie and it was like that was
kind of tough juggling because it was like, damn, do
I fuck with my fan? Do I fuck with my

(47:08):
man from my building?

Speaker 1 (47:10):
How do you go at? Y'all ain't messing with each
other back?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And no we did. I used to try to get
on with them, but them niggas.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
You.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
I remember Sean Price, you stories telling me him and
my cousin t White.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Nigga used to be like, man, you gotta come up.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Man. You ain't man, you ain't that good bleak. You
gotta get better. So I used to be like, all right,
I'm working, I'm right, and I'm right, and then I
used to go be around.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Still.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
This is back when they were super wild because they
was all in deceps. So still used to be like, nigga,
you too little.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
You can't be fucking with me. It's wild out here,
Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
So you know, he used to shit on me until
you know, I mean, made records and hit these streets
and started moving.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
What's wild? And I ain't. I ain't never go to
Brooklyn until me and you went to Marsy together. No way, Nah.
I was always with Bronx.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
That's that niggas. I don't know nothing about the Brox.
That's one thing. Brooklyn niggas don't go to the Bronx,
and Bronx niggas don't go to Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And I don't think that's because we too wild. Is
that too far? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
That shit too far. That's ship number trains, Like I
don't know where I'm going.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
All of my Howard dudes right like on my Howard
that's right Howard you Yeah, all of my Howard dudes
is Bronx dudes. So that's Jackson Avenue, Saint Mary's projects,
the two in the five. Yeah, take the two in
the five thirty fourth, you know what I'm saying. So
I had never went, and then me and you went
one day. I forget what it was. I don't know
if it was MARSI Day or something, but me and
you went to Marsy and that was the first time

(48:29):
I ever been in Brooklyn. That's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
No, the Bronx, we definitely. I don't know shit about
the be Act. So all I know is Fat Joe
and Big Punt. Know what I'm saying, remits is my family.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Now, I Spike Jackson as Jackson ad yeah, I'm saying that.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Who oh my god, can't forget my guy a boogie
with the motherfucking hoodie.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
You know what I'm saying. That's all I know about
the Bronx high Bridge. That's it. You asked me anything else.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I'm loved blood.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, I've lost you know what I'm saying. Fucking I'm
glad we cleared that up because a lot of people thought,
you know, Hoole was out here penning in the guard versus.
But let's yo. You know, one of the illest sessions
I've ever had with you, and I woke you up
for this.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Seton, but hold on, hold on, before you even go there.
Do you feel like I put too much pressure on
you in terms of like when it was flipping and
it was like people was just saying anything, and I
was just like, nah, I believe you can't just say anything.
You used to argue with you know what I'm saying, No,
thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Hell no, nah man, Like the anything rappers they gone,
I'm still you know, I'm still.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Here because you ain't let me say anything.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Niggas would have flushed me down the toilet spend cycle
one time. Get them out of here. Flush them.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I get it. I get it. But I used to be.
I used to be like, you know what I'm saying,
it's super critic.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Yes, hell yeah, Goo was the major critic. So I
don't know how y'all think I wasn't get busy because
my man made sure we got busy.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
You kidding me. I remember when he first bought ninth
Wonder round man.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, yeah, ninth one and now ninth to me, just
a is one of the greatest chopper right, he could
chop that nigga chopped some shit up. You don't even
know what the record was. Nine is the greatest flipper.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, ninth flip joints like so so that that was
like a Me and Hop was in the studio and
you know the same thing. We have our ears to
the underground. We was listening to the Oka Player joints
and was hearing the Little Brother joints, and then they
came with this joint called Speed and I was just like, yo,
what is this? And then this kid named t He

(50:47):
ended up being a dude that was feeling the behind
the scenes for Fade to Black. Oh, so I was like,
oh shit. He was like me and me and Hop
was listening to the joint. He was like, I know
the kid that produced that, and I was like who
He was like this kid named Knife Wonder, And I
was like, word call you know what I'm saying, I'm
calling the bluff. You know what I'm saying. Your calling

(51:13):
call them? Call them right, So he called Knife. I'm like, Yo,
I'm hearing this, Yo, you gotta come. You know what
I'm saying. Play some joints for the for the fan.
And that's how me and Knife got. It was through
the dual t who was filming the b s to
all that, Like behind the scenes you see a fade

(51:34):
to black, that's the homie tee Like that's my man,
that's crazy. But like when we first that's when we
first met.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yo as ill my nigga. That's how I feel about
shout out your artist, Ruben Vincent. Of course, Knife Wonder,
y'all got the joint.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
He became. He became like one of my best friends
in the world. That's not my best friend, Yeah, man,
that's like us coming together with the music. And I
was like, I don't know, uh, when a Jedi I
meet the Jedi, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Like, Yo, we fann like yo, But Ninth is a
different kind of guy. I just was in Riley right now.
Too long ago, me and Freeway had a party, so
I hit knife that nigga hit me back.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Who is so back?

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Yo?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
This bleak?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
He like, bleak? What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Man?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Oh shit, I ain't.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Had your number. What you're doing out here? So I'm like, Yo,
I'm out here for a party. I'm just chilling. He like, Yo,
come by the studio. I'm having a cookout. So I'm
saying to myself, I it is lick. So I get dressed.
Like usually somebody invite you to cookout, you go regular.
You know, it's just some regular hoodshit. But this is Rileigh.
I never been to a cookout Riley. I ain't been
there forever. So I'm like, I'm not gonna pull up

(52:41):
in the black.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
First thing they're gonna do in North Carolina's feed you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
So I'm like, they're not gonna see blizz who looking crazy.
So I can get all dressed. We juned up. I
tell the team, get dressed, we're going to cookout. Ninth
left out one major part of this cookout, that the
cookout just was for him. It was nobody there. We
were the only people there. Like this nig had mad
food everywhere, And I'm like, yo, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Knife?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
You told me you having a cookout? He said, Yeah,
I do this shit every Thursday.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Bleak. I don't care people here.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I do it just for myself because I fucking like
cookout food.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yo, Knife is ill by gi for that.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I'm like, yo, my nigga, every Thursday, I'm pulling up
like it's free lunch.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
You get you hur nah he he. You know, it's
just like my brother during the whole pandemic, like he
started to stay fast Auntie lounge. You know, we've seen
a bunch of people that won off of during a pandemics, right,
excuse me, So like d nice, you know what I'm saying.

(53:43):
We see what he did. He murdered though, Yeah, and
Knife did the same thing with his fast Auntie line.
And so it's just like, you know, it's like us,
like like those of us that don't I teach eighteen nineteen,
twenty twenty one, twenty two two year olds every single day.
I'm not hating on them. It's just the fast Auntie

(54:06):
lounges for us, you know what I'm saying, Like, let us.
Let us have our vibe and then you know what
I'm saying, like, y'all get it.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
That's right, I'm saying y'all could get it there.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I don't be hating on the kids. I don't like
the old school that hate on the kids like that
don't make sense, like you know what it was like
when we was running around, they hate it like the
old Hold on, this is what the thing is you
at your age. If a young boy look at you
and be like, yo, you're doing this you only own

(54:37):
a barber shop or no, this is where we at.
That's right, because he gonna look at you and be
like if I listen to you and you've been out
here for thirty years and you ain't graduated from the barbershop.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Or nothingking advice? Am I taking advice from you? Exactly?
I would have been that kid looking like that. It's
it's normal, Like I don't give me advice that you
didn't succeed.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Like I'm one hundred percent still that old man that taking.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, everybody tell you how to do it, they never
done done it.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
That's a fact. Bro.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Everybody got their advice how to win that never won.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
So it's no advice. I'm just telling you. I'm telling you.
I'm telling you about somebody who is in there every
day with kids on a corner to kids in college.
If you have not produced nothing in your life, don't
talk to these young men. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
That's a fact, though you under saying what I'm saying.
That's a fact. You gotta come to that.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
You gotta come to them with facts, not the theoredical facts.
Give them the facts first. Didn't give them the theoretical
or what it could be. But give them the facts first.
How to eat, that's right. You gotta be hungry, that's right. Now.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
They don't want to hear what could be. They want
to hear what gunning?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
After you feed him, you know what I'm saying. But
they say, you know, feed him a fish, he eat
for the day, tea. But guess what I gotta feed
him for me to teach him how to fish.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
That's right, because they're not even gonna listen to you
if you don't feed them, they're not even gonna know
what the meal coming from. They don't care.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Hungry, No, that's what I gotta feed him to teach
him how to fish. That might take me, That might
take me.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
A week man, that's ill. And these kids done grew
lazy man.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I know, like now you know what it is bleak
And here's another one. You know what I'm saying. And
I want to make this clear because we talking hypotheticals
and we be doing like and I don't want it
to be a thing where like your podcast get you
know what I'm saying. Attack. I love the thing of

(56:48):
like us when we was young, a thing of therapy
and all that it didn't exist, didn't exist, it didn't exist.
I love that. I love that for us to be
able to be like, yo, you know what, I may
need to go talk to somebody, you know what I'm saying.
That's cool. The other side of it is that nobody

(57:09):
want to tell these kids that they saw. But that's
hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm with them every day,
so at the same time, you can have somebody that's

(57:30):
empathetic and understand real generational trauma, real trauma that comes
from It's so many different angles. I'm with them every day.
But you know what happens. I get a nineteen year
old at the little amount of discomfort, it's trauma's traumatized. No,
you're uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yes, I deal with it.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
You got no you gotta son uncomfortable. I got a son,
so I see it. Man, that's not trauma.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Uncomfortable is not truma, no, man, it's just you uncomfortable, man.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
And it make them soft, right and and nobody don't
want to say that. And I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Man, it's really because it's a lot of absentee fathers.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Man.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I blame the dad's man, it's a lot of like
I'm I'm a person that grew up without a father,
So I know the impact of not having a father
in the household because my mom had to be both
and they grew to a point where, man, you can't
what what you You can't tell me nothing. You're a woman,
the fuck you gonna tell me. So I had to
learn in the street. And it wasn't until me having

(58:34):
a son, knowing what the jewels or son needed, because
I couldn't imagine leaving my kid out here without the
proper knowledge or property.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
The crazy part is it's ill Thatt like I had
the exact opposite.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah, So my father's the head, not only the head
of my household, but the head of my family. So
the cousins, the everybody as the like had. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. I remember when the forty forty opened.

(59:09):
How many ties I had? The tie? One in the
front bin too.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Mind you tied my joint.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Don't know how to tie tie?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Know how many ties? I was like, Yo, hool, I
ain't never tied a time, never been on the job.
Said yo, Yo, what's crazy is? I said? You realize bleak,
I ain't never been on a job interview.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yo, Yo, chill because fred C, my man, Fred C
said all the time like bleak man, how the fuck
that don't even sound right?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
How to fuck you never been you never had a
job or no.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
But because you gotta, like literally at the age of fifteen,
sixteen years old, you got older. Geez, like yo saying
to a promoter. I know he's sixteen years old, but
he's on this record and he's right.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Man who used to pay thousand dollars to give me
in every club to perform. He used to have to
pay one of the bounces a thousand dollars like I do.
On K sixteen. He got of getting his club, he
got a record out, and that's a fact, yo, so
I know bow Wow had drama out there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I know it's real. Bow Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Probably your bag.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
How lucky that is, and you'd be like yo, Like
I had my father and my mother.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah no, my mom's when they used to send that
blue card from school to go on the trip, my
mom had to fill out both sets.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I had the mom and I had the moms that
taught Special LED, So my moms knew all of like
hookups in the hood. You can get free this here,
free lessons here, free music here, free this here. My
mom's taught Special LED man and all the thugs. You
know what I'm saying, My mom taught them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
It's so crazy that me my hustle as a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I used to get paid for taker Jay nephews to
school with picking them up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
That was like my first hustle.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Wets to get one hundred dollars a week to be
like y'all what I'm going to get the way how
many times a week y'all even to get there. I'll
be there every day. So that's my only job. I
never and I don't take pride in saying y'all never
worked because I worked for everything I got. But they
scooped me off the block at fourteen, So now you
definitely work. You definitely was no job out there for me,

(01:01:21):
but you rafe work. That's why. That's why when Rockefeller
was over, when Hope talk about Yo, this shit over,
I'm looking at him like, Nigga, what am I gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Now? I remember Hole looking at me like nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
You yo ioire you your whole life like I had
the wreck carpet out for you. It's time for you
to figure it out. You gotta fly, young man, and
I hit the ground running.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
You know, Duce popped off. I remember they thought I
couldn't do it. You here we are, baby. You know
what I'm saying. They know what that dude say is
shout out my g rugs out there putting that foot
on their neck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
You know what I mean, That's exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
What we did. And Mi Wilson where yo. But But
but that's that's the bugd out part because people think
that bleak. They'd be like, oh, go you good, bleak,
You're good, and I'd be like, no, that is a break.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Glass in the case of emergency, and it's not an emergency.
Not why you still got to working you're working hands.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
But also also too, also too you want to do
it like, Okay, this is the thing I'm interested in.
This is the thing I'm interested in. Okay, let me
go do this boom won't Yes, For the first time
in your life, you were like, yo, if it gets.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
All away to where I ain't got nothing, then I
break glass case of emergency that we out here. No no,
because because because this is somebody you love. So the
point of view becomes this person already has to deal

(01:02:59):
with a whole lot of stress, a whole lot of
people trying to talk to you. Why would I add
on to that if I really love you. It's the
same thing of you know, I'm gonna keep it funky.
I'll be trying to, like, you know, protect everybody. But
it's like you saying, yo, Carlleen, didn't give me these

(01:03:19):
amount of tickets. Oh you know, we gave you seven.
We gave you seven first, we gave you seven tickets.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
You wanted more? Yeah, Colleen, that's my girl. So she said,
on top of that, I could give you two. You
ain't say that party. You ain't say that part. It's cool,
but that's my point. On a show day, I'm never
going to stress Carleen. No, not on show day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
That's like me on a show day around four or
five o'clock, I'm gonna touch the phone off. That's right. So,
because as much as this is a thing of like, Yo,
I'm gonna come watch the Jay Show, I gotta perform.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
And I gotta be on point, on point, lose my
fucking job.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yes, if I'm not on point completely straight, inte what
I'm saying, because that's what I mean. So I'm never
gonna stress my people on those particular days. I already
know what that is. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
I don't know how hard it is. First of all
them jay Z, Beyonce, those m show tickets, Man, this
is why I love my geez. Man, y'all think it's easy,
like me and Google. Just sit here, Yo, we need
ten tickets, were pulling up. Yeah, you better have ten
cashed out tickets because every seat with every ass is

(01:04:43):
a paid seat. There is no free ass and no
free seats out there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
That's like me saying listen, listen. That's like me coming
to you and being like, yo, you my man, your
wife work as circuit city.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Yeah, I need Mad TA, I need mad TV.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah, free, Yeah, plug me put me on hook me
up wife, he in there. I need all the TVs
in the back discount. I need a free I need
a free. Yeah. You don't even want the friends and
family form price nothing, I just need them free.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
I said, you're fan. I don't work. I work for
jay Z.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
That's right. I called my work, Yo, listen for the
bea shit. I even called Goo goo like bleak.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Now you know you know I don't got.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
No plug over there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
There's only one person you can asks for that you got.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Because they do. That's that's I don't feel like I'm
supposed to be the person that's supposed to add on
to the amount of stress already. No matter what city
you in, it's a superstar in that city, and they
expect to get a free ticket. That's a fact. They
expect to be well taken care of. That they expect

(01:05:57):
to like even talk to. And I be like, if
she even you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
I've seen them tell certain people, but just listen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
You still gotta be super on point with the dances,
with the out changes, with the lighting, with.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
The yo, yo, google chill. You was in Africa with us, right, Yes,
where you like, Yo. You gotta be your point. You
just brought backup memory, yo, you man, I almost died
in Gabong, my gee, and I love my African people.
I fucking love Africa. Listen, Tanzania, Gabong, Cape Town, Nigeria, Ghana, fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Joe Bird. We done been everywhere, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
This electricity gave out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Not that was at the hotel. I'm talking about the
club where we performed that. Remember we did stadiums the
whole Africa. We did stadiums and there's one particular spot
in Gabong. I fucking almost died because I don't think
y'all came with me. I went with Randy to the
show yo, before y'all came and were getting through, so

(01:07:04):
all the people bump rushed the car. So Randy telling
the people, yo, y'all gotta clear that gate. Hop never
gonna pull up to the show. Y'all gotta clear the fence.
So me, I'm just sitting back, not talking, just watching.
So I'm like, all right, I want to see how
they gonna clear because it's about ten thousand Africans in
front of the gate. So I'm like, how they gonna
clear this gate? So I'm saying to myself, what the

(01:07:27):
fuck they gonna do. These niggas pulled up a box truck,
opened the back of the box truck and let out
like twenty dogs and they had you know how New
York we got the batons the shit they pull out. No,
they had tree limbs, like bark from the tree as
like a weapon, and they told them, yo, you gotta

(01:07:48):
clear the fence. They put so much blood in front
of that fence, bro that I literally had to tell them, yo,
chill hop. Don't want y'all clearing the fence like this.
Y'all gotta chill, y'all wiley and just tell people to move.
You don't have to bust everybody. Had to get them
to move like chill.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
So that's what had me thrown off.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
My takeaway was like I had to meet y'all in Taipei, Taiwan.
I don't know if you remember this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I remember we was in Taiwan.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
We was in Taipei and we had to get which
album was done, trying to remember which album was and
I had to bush through the front to get to
y'all in tai Pay, Taiwan. It was crazy. We have
so many tour stories, y'all, And.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Who was the falls man? Because you know good I
used to hit the street go get the weed for us.
Remember I felt the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Weed in your pad. But I'm gonna tell you the
best steak I ever had in my life. I'm gonna
tell you the best steak I ever had in my
life was in Japan. It's right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Shout out my bro nik, y'all, maazaka out there. You
know what I mean, big, This is my guy poker stars.
He won all the money. He got all the money.
You're out there spending all the money Richie Millie's for
just Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
You know, that's how you do it. But yeah, we
went to the joint, yo, and it was like yo.
So we went. We went in a in a room
and they brought this steak that I've never tasted ever
again in life. And it was almost it was almost
perfect because the dude was like standing outside the room.

(01:09:33):
But then every time, like you put your fork down,
he more stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
You remember, they brought the shrip alive. My god, yo, listen,
they put the shrip on the grip. The shrip was alive.
They put the shrip on the grill. Them ship started
screaming and ships like Yo, I looked at get the
fuck out of here, that nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Gul like what you eat that it's the best part,
you mugget.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
They squitched the face that all that snigger gou was
in there on his African sit eating the face everything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I'm like, Yo, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Even know who this dude is no more.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
He turned Japanese on me, Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Yo. We had some times, man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Yo talk about that Japanese trip, Yo Yo, Japan. No,
nothing is worse than China, though, Man China. Them niggas
will walk up to you in the middle of the
street with a chocolate centipede, like I took up you
mean I WoT he?

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
No, I took a picture right because because they said
it was a sign that was like r C Republic
of China.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Any trafficking drugs through here subject to death, subject death.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
So hold on, hold on, hold on. So so you
gotta understand. So as we travel.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
The world, we get the blood everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Everywhere, So it'd be certain places where I'd be like, yo,
if bleak gotta be with our weed for like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I'm yo, I'm gonna die. I died in Korea, y'all,
died in Korea. I left a part of my life
out there. They don't even know Korea.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
It's so Korea. It's a part of Bleak dead.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
They don't understand. Hold On, I'm really looking at the calendar.
I'm like, yo, so Bleak gotta be without weed for
like four days on this part of the thing. Hold on.
So it's like already and this was This might have
been like Blueprint three where it was like already ten
people in Jay band. Then Bleak had him and his

(01:11:34):
people with them, you know what I'm saying. So people
get this confused. There's a bet High and a bat Ah.
There's a bet High that's Jay's cousin. There's a beat
a as my man, that's Bleak men. And they grew
up in the same building, right, They wore for the
same building, right. So hold on. So we all on

(01:11:59):
the bus and it's like, Yo, it's a day where
I'm like, yo, it's gonna be like four days with
this dude. Don't have no weed. Chu understand. Bleek is
the coolest person in the world. He's my brother. Do
not be around this man? Well he ain't got no You're.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Gonna meet full o. Yo, My bro be out. He
always say, yeah, you Memphis Bleak. A lot of people
don't know who Malik is. When they look, they're like,
fuck that nigg I was like, break bleak back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I was doing my best, yo. I was doing my
best yo to try to find this man some trees.
But four days went by, and I swear to God,
if it wasn't my man, he was like at the
point where it was like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Career, I'm telling you, I asked the promoter, got your fair?
Where can I get the butt that? It was like,
I'm like, what you mean? No, where we get through?
We like no weed out here. I could get you
anything else. They don't do no drug that slow you down.
You want drugs that keep you up working. I got

(01:13:11):
that all day. But if it's gonna slow you down,
you're gonna see you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
So a lot of people don't really understand a lot
of my career been also like trying to keep this
nigga out of jail. Right. So we go to this joint.
It's downtown. Were walking there, it's us, it's mop fab,
It's a bunch of people, the VIP so packed that

(01:13:38):
I'm like, all right, it's uncomfortable in here. Let me
get out the VIP. I don't know what the fuck happened.
I'm in the front of the VIP talking to LAIDs
from Mop, right, so it's you know, it's Mop, It's Fox,
it's Lais, it's all of them. So I'm talking to lads,
me and Laides is kicking it. All I hear is

(01:14:00):
a ruckus just start in the v I p and
I'm like, oh ship this us. So I'm like, I
turn around yo yo, and I look and I see
Bleak going. Now that Bleak going. I gotta come up there. Yeah,

(01:14:23):
it was on. It was so when the cops come in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
They locked us in the club that day.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
They locked Bleak and Leaky right, but downtown, Yeah, we're
downtown down right, We're downtown. So I'm trying to talk
to the police officer to tell him, like, you know,
first of all, I'm I'm trying to play the Memphis
Bleak card, you know what I'm saying, early with the
police officers, like they're going down now you could do

(01:14:53):
they going down? Trying to play that early I try
to play the young Google card. That ain't work. I
try to play that, you know what I'm saying. I
know the promoter call that ain't work. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Hope is to go for that too, because the next
day they had us in court.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Right, he got Colleen in court with the envelope.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Now be hold on, before we even get to the
next day, we Colleen, So these two niggas, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
This is like two o'clock in the morning. Yep, we
go through all right. So I called Colleen. I'm like, Yo,
we just got arrested. Don't tell hole. Yeah, this up right.
So we go down there and these two niggas is

(01:15:38):
in the pen on some gangster ship making.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
It worse, yes, throwing ship fighting the Yeah, I'm like,
your room.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
B we need that, bitch. We ain't sitting on no floor.
You need that bitchigs gotta move.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
To forget all that gangster ship. I'm trying to get
you out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Blurt out. We ain't sitting on the floor while.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
But yeah whole said Colleen the court. The next day
she had one hundred grand in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
The envelope called the lawyer's Colleen, just the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Case, I gotta bail you out, and she had to
go to trial for that for that bullshit man. Shout
out Stacey Richardson too, because she beat the case I
had on the white soup man and she was like, Yo,
if y'all beat this kid up, this bad broken jaw
did all it is and you got on the white suit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
How come ain't no blood.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Get on you? I don't know, girl.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
She was like, well, we're gonna put this suit in court.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
This was the normal night going out with Memphis Bleak
regular ship that or it's plenty of Knights again. Back
at that time, we was like running up and down
the whole East coast getting bags. You know what I'm saying. Called,
if it's north of DC, Bleak is gonna go, tell

(01:16:59):
the turtle top to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
A that's right that way to ac baby, shout out
my nigga, A y.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
I used to see I even sitting there all the
time at the three called poker table.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
I'm trying to tell you, if it's Northwark, DC, we
out Bleak, it's gonna go at two o'clock in the morning,
a C.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
He's gonna go, Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yo, let's go to a C. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
So I would take out a certain amount of money
and if I lose this. I'm done done. These niggas
would be in there till like six.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
The sun come up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
That mofucking the sun came the sun up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Were driving back down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
To jerse Yo. You drop me off of my house,
ship Man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
One of the endless days that we had, though that
turned out to be one of the best sessions. Was
the day we remember we was in the studio and
I forgot what's I think? We was in rock the
mic and we was waiting. I think you you went
to sleep two because I caught I know you was
in the studio. I was home and Swiss called me.
It was like bleak, I got it. It was like

(01:18:08):
five in the morning. I pulled up to the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Pick go up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
We went right the Swiss studio that nigga like, I
got the record, go like, play it, nigga, play like that.
We recorded that record right there on the spot, five
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
By nine a m.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
We are at Rock Nate Rockefeller Death Jam playing that record.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
This is the single. They looking at us like where
y'all made this record?

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
At?

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Last night them nigga sit the young guns right to
Swiss too, that's true, too, young niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Took got swat.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
They like Swiss over there, nigga ship like this. I
ain't send the gunners over there, babies.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Those two on fire. Swiss was on fire that like that.
That like that was different like that played. That's one
of them joints that when I play in Dubai, it's
still green and play like anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
I remember we got the plane in Africa. When we
went on the Africa tore the water for life. That
ship was on the radio the first song we all
jumped off the plane getting in the car. Nigga ho,
everybody jumping the car, turn on the radio. That's the
song on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
We was bugging like, oh shit, word.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Man, crazy. I was definitely sleeping baseline No rock the mic. Yeah,
it was rocked the mic.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Then, man, that's crazy man, fucking like that session shoutout Swiss,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
DJ Enough was in the studio with us too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
I don't think I got fifteen hundred spins from you Enough,
Like probably owe me like sixty spins crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
He probably on me like sixty spins. E.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
No, you know what it is. You know what it
is now. It's like it ain't even about the spins.
Ain't even about playlist. It's about culture. It's just about
like you know what it man, It's about culture. That's it.
That's it. That's all you gotta do. Like like people
getting tired of the normal formula. It's just about culture,

(01:20:09):
man like, Like that's it. Culture.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Integrity, staying true you know, and believe and believe what
you believe. Don't be a follower like I think. I
think I think that's the thing going on today. No,
but that's the one thing. If you was to look
up loyalty in the dictionary, your face is like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah, I should definitely me ya yo, you know jungle
I face.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Your face, your face is definitely next to them, definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Fucking but I definitely Like I just want to say
these young kids today, man, before we you know, sign
off for anything, stay true to yourself man, tagrity, Stop
being followers because like I said, I don't wear house
music group and we steady looking for talent and people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Always say you're bleek.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Why you don't sign niggas from New York And it's
like all yallniggas if it ain't a boogie, y'all niggas
is chef g and sleepy hollow sounder likes and it's like, bro,
they have day lane artists.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
You have to do what you do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I couldn't imagine and not ever me trying to sound
like Jada Kids Styles or Chic All Little Seas or
jav Ro like it would be like blast for me.
Niggas would have had my head on the chopping block.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
That people seeing that with the decline and like the
sales of hip hop music, people seeing that, and I
think it's it's a bunch of young like New York
cats that's and females. You know what I'm saying, That
that's killing it. Yes, it's just gonna take a next
generation of executives. So my dream, my dream bleak is

(01:21:45):
like the next executives are supposed to be twenty two
years old. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you
think about how young we was when we was doing it.
That next IRV God, that next Dame Dash, that next
jay Z, that next you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
They the young boys you gotta give and they can't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Of course, it ain't the music, Like I'm not never
knocking the music, the drill sound, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
These not. I love it. It's like so many sounds
in New York right now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
That's what I see, many simular similar That's the only
thing I don't agree with On the radio. I just
heard the dude semi a song and he was rhyming
like Ice Spice, and I was like, fam like for real,
Ice Spice, my nigga, Like this is a It's like
I never heard the nigga in my ever rhyme like
little Ken.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
I'm telling you, I'm tune. I'm a tune with these
young boys.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
This ship is giving Fu Spooky did not want to
be Little Kim. These niggas out here want to be
Ice Spice. This ship is crazy and she winning, winning,
winning between her Lola Brooks, fucking of course, Nikki Cardy.
They the staple, but the new, the new young girls
out here are winning. The girls is applying pressure. And

(01:23:03):
I knew this was coming because I used to say
Eve was making it hard for these niggas. She used
to go in the boof and bully these niggas got
Remy been bullying niggas, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
And now the girls is like they fuck. It only
makes sense, you know what I'm saying. Like I've been
saying that for years, Like if you think about my
whole career is through women, you know what I'm saying
that so so from nonchalant. Yeah, y'all got Rap City Rhapsody,
you know what I'm saying was a beast like that
whole thing. But the thing about it is is just
like they gotta let them be them'ing and not put

(01:23:38):
them in a a box that we had.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
That's right, And y'all knew artists don't be them let
them be there right. You don't be there right? Okay,
you be you? Let them be there please, because that's
the advice. I remember being a young dude right before
Jay Jack so I remember Ja used to be in
the coming through the hood with Jazz Oh before they

(01:24:03):
even gave me an opportunity. I used to always ask them, yo,
what's the advice you would give me? Like I remember
telling Jazz yo, bro, I have troubles writing hooks. I
don't know how to write a hook, and that nigga
was like, just keep writing, it'll come to you. Just
keep writing. That was always his answer. Hove too, your hold,
how do this? How you make a six? Yo? Just
keep writing, you'll get it. So that's what I give you.

(01:24:25):
Gotta develop your own sound by just keep writing, turn
tune everything out and do you man?

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Trust me?

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
If you great, we gonna figure it out and we're
gonna know this and that's what it is, baby, you
know what it is. We hear rock solid before we
signed off. Though, Wait, goo, how did you feel when
Beans came at the crew?

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Like when Beans win that whole?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Like, I know me it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Then they shott in my heart like that's my bro,
you know we passed that now, But how how what?
What was your your mind stayed at that time?

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
It's always be elevation.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
You know, everybody feel how they feel at a certain point,
and I just be like, I just be wanting to
have conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
That said, I feel like conversations can and can be
the solution to all problems with some people always got
a problem for every solutions.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Not my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
But still but still it don't matter, Like there's nothing
that can't be talked out, there's nothing that can't be addressed.
There's nothing I feel as though, like as elder statesman,
that's right, and especially people that have been through it,

(01:25:51):
even if it's not just an example for a younger generation.
There's nothing that nobody can't talk through that's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Right and can't get to the bottom of man. And
you know, I'm glad we passed that. You know, it
was just it was a dark error for our our
crew man. And my last question before we get out
of here, you think it'll ever be a Rockefeller Reunion tour?
It's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
No, absolutely Oo.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
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