Episode 3 w/ Pain in Da Ass

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all?

Speaker 2 (00:00):
This is your main Maynor Memphis Bleak right here.

Speaker 3 (00:02):
Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
at Drink Champs.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Big with the year Memphis. I'm Black Addy, niggas. Notice
the difference. Just pro pressy stones.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Now. Usually I know Bleak does all the intros, but
since he has the king of all intros in the building,
we are gonna start this off right. Somebody's pulling me
close to the ground. I ain't panicked. I've been in before.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I've been rock Solid for thirty years now, rocking with Bleak,
Bleaks and entertainer, a rapper, and now he's doing his podcasting.
So open up your fucking ears, motherfucker, because he'll come
to Pain.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay, all right, that's rock salad. You already know.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
We back at it with my guy Pain and the
motherfucking ass man. What's uping, see you again? Good to
see you man, How you bet my jig?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Good?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Look Like I like said at the State, it looked
like we're doing the weekly nightly news and something right right,
like some ghetto.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
News and ship we set up.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's where we go Marcie projects right where they start
off like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh lord, that's so fast.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Not so fast, yo, that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Just for those who don't know Pain in the ass,
legendary voiceover intro, extravagant, funniest man I know, comedian should
be next to Kevin Harten every movie.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
It might be funny.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
We're gonna start off right off the bat like that. Yeah,
we're gonna start what's gonna read a movie with Kevin? Yeah,
we're gonna start off just like that. But we're not
gonna ask that question to later hold on. But I'm
just letting people know how funny my guy is the
love I got for Pain.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Every time I.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Called this guy, he always did, always been a genuine guy.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like I said, this is rock solid.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
If you on this platform, it means one thing, you
solid geve you.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
My guy, so yo.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Just for those who don't know Pain, what made you
fall in love with then doing the voiceovers and everything
like that, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, it's funny how God works.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
God always has a plan for us, of course, and
we don't realize it while it's hatching itself. If you will,
you know what I mean. So, my mother died when
I was twelve years old. Yeah, yeah, my moms very
very young. She came here from Columbia, South America. I
met my dad, an American man, and unfortunately she died
when I was twelve, and he already remarried when I

(02:25):
was like two, divorce, So there was nobody in the home,
you know, So thank god my sister raised me.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, yeah, sister.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Like my mother basically.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
And one day when I when I see my mother
again one day and the promised land, I will grab
my sister's hand and I will come up to my
mother and say and point to my sister and say,
this is my mother.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
How you know your sister going to be up there too.
She might still be here.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I mean, when you know, we're all together, and in
those years, it's different. One day it is like a
thousand up there, right, Okay. So I mean her raising
you was very noble and appreciate that. But the only
problem with that is that she has to work, you know,
to provide, so there's nobody in the house. Yes, So
you know what you do. You start dwelling outside and
the people outside become your surrogates, They become your your

(03:11):
adopted fans. That's right, and sometimes unfortunately they they're up
to some things that are not that great.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
But they're letting you roll.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
They' letting you, you know, be part of that. I mean
not directly part of that, but they're letting you just
chill on the block with them, like I use chill
on the block. So everybody had like like a job
to do, if you will. So my job would be
to just like crack jokes all day. And at the
same time, I was watching these movies, and these movies

(03:39):
were raising me basically because there's nobody in the house.
You know, all these movies are very important to me.
So I would go back on the block and I would,
you know, say, oh yeah, I saw this movie last night,
you know, Rocky, and it was so dope. When when
when when the trainers talking to it? Get up, your
son of a bitch, Mackey up shit, you know, just
be up there doing Mickey all night, you know what
I mean. And they would love it.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And those movies.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Was impacted, those movies some of our lives. I wish
these kids could could relive some of the ages.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
They could go to fucking Netflix see go see the
fucking Rocky that changed my life. You know, being out
there on a block all night. It would be like Yo,
do Rocky do Mickey, you know, and I would do
it all night and little did I know that that
was kind of like a preparation for what would come
later on. And that's, like I said, that's how God
works exactly in that manner.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Like how did you end up with? Because I met
you through of course Jay Dang Biggs? How did that
relationship brew?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like? How do you and even end up meeting them?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Because them niggas cracked more jokes than it and back then, yeah, niggas.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Used to go to walk for that. Ess how did
y'all meet? Though?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
That's funny again, how how life works is things are
always subconsciously around you know what I mean. It was
a big hip hop fan. I always loved hip hop
and that was one of the things the company with
movies that were very important to me. So I remember
listening to like Can I Get Open? Like back back
in the day, Rap Sitting would play videos and I
would I would tape them and I would come home
and watch them over and over again. But I thought

(05:07):
he was so nice. I was like, yeah, who is
this guy called? I was like, damn, the way he's
rapping and everything with your gun, I'll go a lot
with a can. I was like, who the fuck is
this guy? What's he talking about? I was like, Yo,
he's nice. I remember it said the name on the
on the TV. It was a jay Z. I was
all right, cool, you know, keep keeping in mind. And
then he came out in my lifetime. And then I
got into the music business. I was working for Around

(05:28):
the Globe, which is like a promotion company, eventually turned
to Penalty and eventually signed Noriega and Capone, and I
was handing out stickers and flyers and we were working
with this guy named Ray.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Ray Ray with me man.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
He looked so Ray Ray, you know. It was the
main promotion person at the company there, and they would
do promo stuff for every label, and they were doing
stuff with Payday. So Dame would come record they shout
out to miss the Wall and everybody over up. So
they would come to Around the Globe to try to

(06:04):
get them to promote whatever it was on the group
Home was on there? What the other act was shout
out group Home Home was no home.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
They might be one of the groups that had the
best beats at Alla's project.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's PA's baby Malotta Nutcracker, and they were so dope.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Man, bring back in the days, hey day. I remember
the stickers from all life.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well that's saying.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Stickers were real important stickers with everything everything, and that's
one of the things that you know was important at
the very early you know, baby infant stages of Rockefellers.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
We had had a dope sticker. So we wanted to
flood the city and let people know that jay Z
is that dude.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
A lot of people don't probably know that Jan was
a little mad at the end of my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Stickers.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Remember they popped crystal, they put the moat bottles on them.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
They gave him the four point.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
They don't do that, but you know they sticks. It's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
But Ray was on there at around the Globe and
they would Dane would come and they would like utilize
them for whatever they needed. Now, Ray had a roommate
that worked at Payday name Garvin. I remember Garvin Garnet.
I'm sorry. Garvin worked at Rockefeller Garnet. So Garnet when
they decided to open up their own label, was asked
to come work at Rockefeller. But he was at pay

(07:22):
day and that was like, you know, it was solidified.
He couldn't take a chance going to like a ya,
no disrespect to.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
It was a dream bro back then. Exactly, if you
got a solidified check, you stick with.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
The music business. You definitely stayed with that.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, but he fucked up up he did, but he
did what he did.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
What it was smart was was he's like, I can't
work for you, but i'll help you. Why don't you
let my roommate Ray Ray work with you. So Ray
decided to come over the Rockefeller. He ran the steam,
he ran the street team. So he left around the globe.
So we were still there, me and terns of my boy.
You know, he's the one that introduced me to the
to the to the game and everything. So I remember
he was telling me, like your called Ray. You know

(08:03):
he's a Rockefeller, and the Rockefeller had such a huge
buzz at that point. They had a record company and
the label was that in Wall Street, and you know,
they they were like different, they were doing things.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Oh my office was.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Bad though it sounded fly, but it was bad. It
was It was okay, but only.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Colleen all the baby they held the agent. You gotta
think about our brand branch.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well not at that point. Our branch wasn't at the
very beginning.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
No, no, no, Christy Clifford, Christy shout out, Chrissy still
Christy good good.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Christy was the was the promoter back this year.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
She was sho. She used to managed probably still does
Kickapri and yat yeah ca and eventually started managing the locks.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yep, she still got her manager had on. Yeah. She
shout out, Chrissy, man.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Your coll ray and asked if we could go up
there and do the street team thing for you know,
rocket for us. We get the fuck out of here,
because you know, that's like, you know, a regular label.
It was corny. So we call up, I call up.
He makes me do it. You know, of course you know.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
He puts it.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I was like, you know what to he likes you better,
like cool, So I called him, yo, yo, ry man,
what's going on? Man? Y'all heard you over a rocket
from that? Can we come over and do the street team?
It's like, nah, dogs, we got professionals for that. I
was like, oh yeah yeah. He closed the doorn Bred
Flintstone style like yo, Finstone will like he's trying to
get in. So I was like, I was like, yo,

(09:32):
fuck it. Then you know what, can we intern there?
Then he goes, yo, hold on, so he puts me on, Hope.
But this is a long extended hole, and this is
a whole music Yeah, And I'm not even talking about
music in my lifetime or some ship you could have
played call Caroline. Cannot get over for it, just talking
about locker room, just just just dead silence. I'm like,

(09:53):
he's never coming back on the phone. I'm about to
hang up. I'm giving them the grace period five minutes.
But I'm like, all right, cool. He gets back on
the phone. Then God, he goes, all right, dogs you
could come. I go win because right now he goes,
Jay wants to meet you right now. I was like, word,
you know, I'm in Queens. I'm flushing Queens. I still do.
But I had to jump on the Tragle all the
way downtown for them to meet us so we can,
I guess, become the interns. So I don't know why

(10:17):
you would want to see somebody become an intern. We
was getting coffee and ship like that. But luckily we
saw Jay. We saw everybody in first day I didn't
want to introduced myself to him, was what's painting the ass?
And he did like a because you know how.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Of course same thing I did. I remember when they
introduced you to me, that's pain.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And as what what like what the niggas talk about?
But he was cool with it, and eventually, you know,
we started going up there every day after school. It
was like the normal thing. You know, we jump on
the train, yes, be it the.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Off Friday drinks and Chris flowing.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And then the very first time that I recognized that
I was part of something that was, you know, bigger
than I thought what it was, was when the Jackets came.
When the Jackets showed.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Up, I didn't get a jacket. I know.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I remember we had that conversation get the jacket, which
is funny because on backstage you end up.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Jam Jack.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I don't understand, right, That's why I expressed that feeling
for that Jack was like no, no, it was just
like somebody gave me a jacket.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Remember I'm from the hood. We can't afford that. The
Lancey Street.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
You had to steal one of those and somebody didn't
just go down there.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
You have to be big top drug dealer. I wasn't.
I was a little homie getting a little money.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Right, So that's what I'm saying. Look at that, imagine
that to the point where you are like from the neighborhood,
you like that next artist in that kid. But and
you didn't get a jacket.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, because I wasn't the next artist as of yet.
Remember Jay was still trying to get on.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
At that time. Rock was just brewing.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
It was rough. It was Roughness was there too, and
she was like the new yo.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know, I never met Roughly? Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I swear to you.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I only heard her name.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
I heard about her, that she was the artist that
the first Rockefeller artist signed, and I never met her.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Then they had diamonds in the.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Rough, diamonds in the rough uptown.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, yes, I met them to my guys, you know
my guys, man, like we had a crazy relationship.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You bringing up memories. You don't want to.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Know what it was. Who's roughness? Right? But that was
like an honor to me that they didn't give me
a jacket. When look at that, you didn't get a jack,
you know what, It meant a lot to me.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
And I was still trying to get on, get in
the team.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I was still on it.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, Painting, I remember talking to you about the jacket.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
You showed me the jack at the Rockefeller Records logo
in the back of everything said painting ass And I'm like,
you got a jacket?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I still have that, and give me a jacket. I
still have that.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Jack as you should. Man.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
A couple of years ago, when they had the museum
the exhibit the jay Z, somebody contacted me from Rock Nation. Yeah,
my man, just see okay, you still got the jacket.
I was like, yeah, he goes, can you do it
a favorite? Can you bring it up?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, brought them the jacket to rock Nation and they
duplicated it and put it and that's the one they
put in the so as a thank you for doing that,
they made me a new one way. So I got,
I got, I got, Yeah, I got both. Now I
got the two rock and for the old one. And

(13:21):
and if I believe.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So, was that the was that the old logo of
the Yes.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
The one with the with the bottle, which should have been,
like you said, as the spades, but I think back
then it was.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yours.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
We're we're drinking champagne in the club and now you
got to do say.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
That doing this big like dude saying you know your baby,
that's right, we do what we say. But if so,
we're back in the days we used to drink champagne
and clubs.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like nobody drinks champagne.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
And clubs, No they do, they do that.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Don't popping champagne anymore?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Like the New York vibe and the clubs is like
a man, I'm trying to restore the feeling in New
York with that. But you go to Vegas, go to Miami,
let them soccer players pull up in the club. You'll
see so many bottles of champagne. You think they bought
it in theyself. That's crazy, Like it's insane, gess, you
know what I.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Always wanted to do, like someone popped the bottles, you
know how I'll pole used to like smash the cake
in people's face. Why don't people take like the gatorade
bucket and like dump it on someone like it says
their birthday, you know what I mean, Like like you know how
you win the championship, you know when they dump the
bucket on the dude like that like at the end,
and it was like, oh and he's cool with it too,
like he actually he's cool with it, like like deep
down his like motherfucker hats Like it reminds me of

(14:29):
the dudes like back in the days, they usually have
to jump you into a crew.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Remember that weird about getting jumped into a crew.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's like, don't lie, you know, deep down the side,
you still feel animosity for those mothers. Jump for that
one kick. Focus on you, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Really, that's how you got.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
You're gonna be the first one to get flipped on.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm gonna set you the fuck up something, which is
weird because jumping someone to get into something is crazy,
see like loyalty.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
And then you know it's crazy. They jump you to
get in and then y'all have a fight and they
run on you.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's crazy about that. You know.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I got jumped into the internal Rockefeller.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah right, yeah right, jump me?

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah right, he jump me? Man, I see the campagine,
But that would be.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Crazy, look to be like jumped in and made it
into a camp, like like a rap camp and something
like that. But you gotta get to beat the ship
out of him to get in there, you know what
I mean. Different back there, it wasn't that serious, but
I wanted I always wanted to know one question, how
did you end up doing the intro on reasonable Doubts?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
That changed and change change? Because I remember Jay.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
You know, Jay used to come around play the songs,
you know, cashme and thoughts different songs. Jay violated too,
because I remember he pulled up to the projects. I'm outside.
He like, yo, I want you to hit his record.
When he played Ain't No Nigga, they had Foxy on it.
So he played the record and he's like, yo, what
you think. I'm like, that should crack right there, I
should fire. And he looked at me and said, how

(16:00):
you letting a girl burn?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
You should feel.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Embarrassed that a girl is nicer than you. I'm like,
all right now I'm in the crib dissing Foxy. Oh
you nah man.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
But back then, you know, I used to just write
rhymes listening like how it were? How is she better
than me?

Speaker 3 (16:16):
But Jay used to do things to inspire you, absolutely
help you get better. So I always wondered, how did
you end up on that intro of reasonable Doubt?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, like I said, due to the fact that my
mother did die when I was twelve, and there was
nobody in the house. It does build up a lot
of anger in you build up a lot of animosity,
you know what I mean. Nothing worse than growing up
when I would go to my friend's house and watch
them interact with their mom, you know what I mean.
That's like a very hurtful feeling. Now I am going
to bring everything together. I know you ask your question

(16:45):
and like, what the fuck is you talking about his
mother for? But I was very angry, very angry. It
led me to doing a lot of crazy things and
pracking out. So you know, starting off of around the
globe and then going to Rockefeller. You get a music business,
and you have a certain expectation. Yes, all these girls,
you know, I'm gonna get your chill.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's that and it's not.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
It's not. They actually wanted me to work. They actually
wanted me to go get coffee work.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, yeah, no, right, things.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Down, there's no girls at all. So due to the
fact that I was very angry, and I was also
kind of like getting not brainwashed, but these movies were
really like inspiring me and they were like kind of
possessing me, if you so. I remember there was one
time when a girl did show up to the office
and I try to you know, kick game. Yeah, like

(17:35):
I ignored me and went straight to like the main
offices because the main offices were in the back with
Jay Damon Bigg's office. Oh wow, I just got ignored.
I was like, damn. And now somebody's like, yo, go
get me some coffee. I'm like, what the fuck? Is
this the same the music business that I want to
be in. So I'm like, yo, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm out of here.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
So if I was going to leave though, I wanted
to leave, you know, with a little something that's right,
be satisfied with. So out of nowhere, she's walking to
the office. I'm out anyway, you fucking stupid bitch, Yo,
chill right, And it was like a silence.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Hell yeah. There's a lot of girls working in the
office at that time.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
So I was like, oh shit, they're about to throw
me out the window or somewhere. So all of a sudden,
it's like a long silence, like you know, like the
one on the on the phone when I was waiting
for the internship and I hear all of a sudden, I.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Think it's got them straps. Yeah, it was strapped, shorty,
not that strap were laughing, yeah, oh shit, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So there was somebody else in the office I didn't
really like, so I cursed them out right there too,
so fuck you too, What the fuck are you looking at?
Another laugh?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I was like, oh shit, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I went home that night and I cursed out somebody
in my neighborhood. Nothing happened. I said, all right, maybe
I'm onto something. So I decided to go back. But
now I was a little bit more overt more. I'm
looking back now, aggressive is a good word, but looking
back now, I was channeling my anger not in such

(19:12):
a positive way because I'm cursing people out, which is
not good. I don't advise you do that. But for
the first time, I felt heard, even though I was
saying something very negatigative, and looking back, I apologize it
was wrong, because you know, it's a forty something you're
all mad at eighteen when the world is coming down
at you. I liked it. I like that feeling. So

(19:35):
I began going back and going back and just you know,
acting out the movies. And I noticed that Jay was
a big fan of the movies that I like. So
when I'm in there talking like that, all the time,
it's like, fuck that shit, do you want something to
call me? Okay, So all of a sudden, they loving it.
They're loving it, and I got to give a big
shout out to this person because this was my main champion,

(19:56):
the main person that was really just rooting for me
the most is.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Bigs bigs Man. Shout out the O G.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Biggs would have me come into his office, Yo do
the movies, saying like you know, it was just do
Colito's way or do something like that. And then they
started become a little bit of a ground swell, like
people like, yo, you gotta put him on an album.
I remember the first person that said that was Big
or you gotta put him on the album. Then all
of a sudden, other people came like you know, because
there was two factions. It was Harlem and then there
was Brooklyn. So you know, it was like everybody came

(20:24):
to there, like you got to put him on album,
you gottaut him. I'm doing the crazy shit that he's
doing here in the office now. I thought at the time,
and that's whatever if it does happen, like you know,
how much do you really remember a skit.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Or no you remember?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I never thought like that. So I remember one day,
after a long time of everybody like you gotta put
him on the album, you gotta put the album, Jay
called me into his office, sat me down and goes
to me, Yeah, how you feel you're going to be
on a classic album? I was like, sounds fun for me, man,
you know, but it's so funny that he knew already,
he knew the joint was going to be classic. And

(21:00):
you being next to him, being in the same neighborhood,
being in the same building, on the same.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Floor, No, no, no, he lived on the fifth you
on you.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Two floors away. Yes, you know how important that album
is to him?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Hell yeah, that was baby.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
What it took to make that album, what it took
to get to a point where even to have an album.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Rest in peace, clock camp Man big shout out the
clock can.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
He played a major, major, major role.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
And reasonable and he played a major ski like you know,
like those was the guys. So it always is mind
boggling to me. And and you, like I said, from
being so close, is that after all that work, after
everything that happened, after everything that transpired, that album is
so classic. And the first thing you hear when you

(21:50):
press play. It's you, that's right, And like I said,
it can only be God. I know, you know, people
gonna misconstrue this with the cursing and fuck you this
and that. But I'm really a believer in God, and
so I can't believe that he did that for me
that I can't believe that he, after my mother died,
took me to the block where I would watch these
movies do it for these people. That would just kind

(22:12):
of like practice for me to get to this point,
to be there and then to find my way somehow
onto one of the greatest pieces of work that the
genre has to offer.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
And we're Hall of famers now right in the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Same for Shell my brother, congratulate.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Your voice is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
And that was my purpose of wanting you on this
platform because a lot of people don't They might not
know the face, the person, you know, the man behind
the voice, behind the skin. You know, people don't know
how talented everybody is. They don't get to see area.
And you're not a very visual guy like you ain't
out there making skits like on YouTube and Instagram, like

(22:52):
the rest of these, you know, social media comedians like
I don't really see you chasing that like that.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Like them come from a different era, you know what
I'm saying. And we ran from the to me to me,
to me that being on that block doing that was
my social media platform.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
And it's hard to get I don't go live and
do the things that the young guys do that I'm
supposed to do, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
So you need to of course, you get live, get lived, Joe.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
This safe for that. We ain't doing this. Listen no
place in Joe.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
So after what I was just saying about how you
even met because I met you after Yes, that's when
I came in and we're.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
The same age, so we kind of came up together,
if you will.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
After the album was released, let me let the people
know the wars you and Dame had bro Oh my jesus.
You know Dame Dash is a snapper and then with
this guy with the jokes, they used to go at it.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
But you know, I got nothing but respect for I'll
tell you why. I'll tell you why. There's a difference
between I remember I was watching a documentary about Biggie
and they were talking about there was a writer, a
dream Hampton. I know you, okay, yes, of course. She
was talking about the relationship between Big and Pac when
Big first started out. She said that, and it always
stuck with me because it made so much sense. He

(24:15):
said that Big knew that Pac was real, but more importantly,
Big knew that Pac was being real with him. So
now you hear that word floating around a lot. Oh,
he's real, this person's real. I knew Damon was being
real with me, and he used to punch me in
my arm all the time when I would act out,
like with the laughing at the cursing of the girl.
They laughed. But then after that he grabbed me in

(24:36):
the room, so I punched him, but like a big
brother almost, you know what I mean. He was always
also a very big proponent of trying to get me
into like, you know, rooms and stuff like that that
I didn't really belong in, you know what I mean.
I'm an intern and he I am arguing with him
about the album in his office. I don't see that
happen in any other label. You're not going into le
Or Cohen's office as an internate with me. You know,

(24:58):
we should do the ask me a thought as a signal,
like we would argue that, yes, he wouldn't kick me out,
he wouldn't listening and converse with me.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
That's right, he was being real with me. Dane was
definitely good for that.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
He listened to everybody from the interns to the workers,
to the artists to the producers. He definitely listened man
like he did got it. I always respect him. I
would never, never, never talk bad about Dang. You know,
shout out Dang.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Shout out to everything that he's doing. And it's so
great that everyone's doing other things.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm gonna bring you back to a memory though that
you probably don't remember.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Listen. So it was a release party for a reasonable doubt, right, Okay,
this is the job. Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
This is the first time I seen get in trouble
with Dave Jay Biggs where everybody was bad. We had
an ill party in there, chilling wilin celebrating the album release.
We get out outside getting the limo and you standing
through the subroof for the limo.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Piss it out the.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Sun swimming money ain't the thing, right, they said, say
you got you out the sun room. I'm pissing out
the s room, money.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Anything, peeling off the lip bow shade, David nigga be like, yo,
get this nigg off the car somebody, yo.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I remember they was mad at you. They made you
do push it yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, And then David just touched me in my arm
like real, I think I got like bruises still from
that ship. I rememberbout thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I remember I had to go to the bathroom, like,
who the hell is this guy right here?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Man, I'll never forget. Dame got pissed at me one time.
I mean literally, right, I mean pissed me right. I
was we were in the studio. We were in one
of these studios and this is later on though. You know,
I had to go to the bathroom. But I was
in the booth and you know what it's like when
you're in the pool.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm in the zone.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I'm like, yo, on the fucking zone. I'm drinking
back then with drink, having rain pee in the booth.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I had to go yo, I had bin blink. I
saw it was a dog walking around the studio. So
the owner owned the dog. It was like a dog
walking around the dog Yeah yet right my dogs. I
was like so they called the label. They called the
label afterwards, what the fuck? And the dame calls me

(27:09):
into the Are you crazy? I said, you dam it
wasn't me, It was the dog. He goes, motherfucker. The
owner said that he smelled it was human. Pissed, I said,
how the fuck do you know the difference between dog
urine and human? Hearing Probation office, you can tell the
difference between dog urine and human urine.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
That's different. He knew, he knew the deal, but you peed.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
In thega that was solitary confinement and he died the booth.
But I didn't piss like directly. I pissed in a
cup and I don't know for some reason, I just
like like threw it up like like like New Year's
Eve or something like that, and it flashed. It wasn't
like it wasn't like a Bart Simpson urination, Like you're
not thinking the Simpson Like this was like like some

(27:51):
splash like you know what it looked like. You ever
been a Great Adventure or like.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
One of those like theme parks where they had like
that wooden like coach that goes down the water, but
then there's people like standing on the bridge, you know
what I mean, and they get splashed out of nowhere
like that's like that's the effect that it kind of
had like that, like like like going down the pipeline
and it's like that.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I think it made the effect too. But you know what,
as crazy as that all is, I can't believe that
they accepted me back every time that every turn.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
No matter what you did, no matter how much they
was mad the night before the next day paying in
the office, but what thing they was, I still got
scornny on all.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
The trouble I did. You would think I looked like
pop By the sailor man, motherfucker, look like I'm doing
no But you don't understand what that means to somebody
when they lost their mother and they have nothing and
you could do no wrong. And I mean even though
yes I get in trouble, but it was an acceptance
that I just.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
It was I needed that we was a brotherhood. If
we was in college fraternit, yes we are. I ain't
gonna say we'd have been a gang because.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
It was in a gang business already to be on
some shoot him up, bang bang, But we definitely if
we were school kids with little bit of frat. Now
we were a frat. We were a frat.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
It was family like everybody that worked their care for
each other. Everybody took their job serious and every single
person in Rockefeller wanted.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
To see jay Z win.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
That was that was the number one agenda on everybody mind.
That's the one thing I respect.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
And you know what I think was the most important
thing of all. And I don't want to turn this
into like you know how people talk. I read the
fucking comments, asshole. You talk about jay Z on the.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Time, we got stories.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
We know him, we know him, and he grew up
with him.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Talking about a lot of this stuff without mentioning are
you talking from politics? And you from the beginning, like
I tell people, I'm from when the rock was a pebble,
you met roughness, roughness, You was down before me. Then
you even got a jacket, so you was there when
the rock was a thought.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's funny you said that that everybody around wanted Jaya win. Yes,
but the most important thing was that Jay wanted to win.
And I think that's the thing. Like we were talking
before we started recording, how you know, trying to give
a message or advice to younger generational or anyone, not
even younger, anyone just trying to be inspired. At first.

(30:14):
You got to believe in yourself.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
That's a fact. And no one could tell Jay he
wasn't that.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
No he knew, he knew, no one he even even
a comment like that. How you feel he's gonna be
on the classic album? That wasn't at that point something
that people were really, you know, looking forward to at
that point. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Fact, you wre two classics, two classics though, Man, you're
my joint, my first.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Forget that.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Man, I remember when I called paying like yo, I
need that that that flavor you gave hope, you gave
me two skits on my first.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
We tell you something about you, and I'm glad we're
having these conversations.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
We could talk real, we could talk, and that's what
we're here for.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Man, the the slight on you always is. Oh J
wrote your ship Age of Coming to Age.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
He wrote that, give that, he wrote two feet too, Yeah,
I give that to him.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Let me explain to you how great God is and
how to ghost always watching? What is God rest his soul?
Clark can't what he means to.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
All of us, That's right, that was big bro. I
know the.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Story of how you got to be to that point
to even be the person rapping on coming to vasion
that was originally written for sh right, yes, and Shahim
was with Wu Tang.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
And they I guess somehow he ain't have the time
to do it. And then when I've seen them in
the projects, I'm telling hour rhyme, I'm like, yo, he
told me, I spit, I spit. Clark like yo, I
think he might be good for that joint.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
But wait in Sion history, because Clark made you rhyme
for him. Yes, your rhymes, yes, so you auditioned to
be that.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Of course your rhymes hundred your actual rhymes.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
This wasn't jay Z's rhymes. This was you rapping to
Clark needed, and Clark needed to verify like yo.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Okay, he's nice good enough to even do that. That's right, right,
one hundred thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
And you owned it because I mean, you know, obviously
this isn't the same genre. But you know, these great artists.
Celeine Dion didn't write you know my Heart Will Go Out,
Tony Blaxon didn't write that, but they owned the song.
It's their Yes, they embodied it.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's my words, it's you doing that person.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Emphasis, that's emphasis. You emphasize every word. The same thing
with me. I mean, look those skits on those albums
and movies, those a scene trade, they're not my I
didn't write those words, but I own them, that's right.
I I took it. I always see myself like a producer.
Would you know, like how we would sample, like you know,
Kanye with sample uh falling, but he puts the drums

(32:43):
to it. He puts the you know, but it's still
a sample.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
But it's his beat, that's right.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
So these scenes, these monologues, they meant something to me,
so I wanted to take them, and I wanted to
try to convert them, to make them mindel or to
pertain them to you, pertain them to Jay, because I
see everything like a movie. I see things in movies
I don't I don't read books. I don't like to
read because I don't grasp the material I said that I've.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Seen, and they took it the wrong way. So don't
say you don't like I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't like to read.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
You can't read.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't like to read because I don't grasp the material.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
It ain't captivating.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
I need to visualize.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'm a visual I'm a visualizer.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I just was watching The Joy Luck Club the other
but I read books. Don't get a twister, no, no, no, yeah,
you know we got library we got library cards in
gotta get that. I probably got a tab on my
library card. I oh, like I need a jay z
Verse just to pay my library tab. Like I think
I told them like from a movie that I read it.
They used to rent movies. But I'm better visually. Yes,

(33:47):
So like the other day, I'm watching The Joy Luck Club.
Movie touched me like I was like wow, like this
is like so good. And then I wanted to go
back and read the book because I've seen the visual
of read. Yeah exactly, I see that it's in I
because when you read, you're kind of seeing the thing
play out in your head. Anyway, when they already have
that for you, then now you can go back and

(34:08):
kind of it's like okay, oh yeah, yeah, they did
a good job here, you know what I mean. Oh
I didn't see it that way now reading it, you
know what I mean. So it's more visual. It's it's
always been visual to me, so like with those movies.
You know, I wanted to pertain them to the artist
that I was working with because I see things in movies,
so like you you with Jay, I always seen YouTube

(34:30):
your relationship as far as I was concerned from watching it.
From my vantage point, you run reminded me a lot
of like the Christopher Montasanti Tony Soprano kind of like
relationship where Tone is Christopher's uncle, but he's not really
his uncle, Like it's weird, you know, connected somehow and
not blood, but he loves them. He's like my nephew.
You know, my nephews is just gonna be the nextra charge,

(34:51):
you know, like so, but you had that because Christopher
Christopher is very like all Tony don't always talking about
you know what I mean that. That's why I loved
Coming of Age two. Coming of Age two is better
to me than Coming to age one because it's so realistic.
I'm like, yeah, I'll ride with you for free the
first time and I was like, yeah up, what up?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I need to see that bread. They're still in my
sad fact.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
How you doing? Good to see you. But there's an underlining.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
See this is how ill Jay mine is with even
writing that song because I remember rhyming the song.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I remember Jay made me stay in the booth.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I literally was in the booth for about an hour
saying that in the stance like, and what one leg
of my paying something in the stance like and what
I know the fact I know the dude just feeding
me cancer. But at time to answer whatever I say
back that I'll remember the line. But I remember he
made me keep saying that line over and over and
over and over and over and over until I got
it perfect. But when the song came out, I didn't

(35:46):
really understand it. And then when I got older and
I listened to it, and it's probably gonna blow people's
mind if you really listen to the record. We don't
even say nothing to each other. It's just so Yes,
it's also conscience. It's all what we're thinking. Sometimes all
I say is what up?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
And you say what up? Believe that's it?

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Incredible? Is that because it encapsulates like we talked to
each going on that's life.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
And people think, like when you listen to the record,
they think we have in a conversation, But it's just
what we each thinking about. The other person is thinking
that moment and when I really caught down like Jay
is didn't. That's what makes him the genius he is.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
When you're telling me that story about how you made
you say that over over again, reminds me almost like
a good director. We do like an actor, like you know,
I want you to do it this way, precise and
lists to be precise.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Jay is so perfectionist.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I remember when I did, like that shout out DJ
Enough in Swiss because they was in the studio when
I got to like that rectord meet DJ Enough Swiss
and Guru and you know the part where I say,
h Swiss slowed down to be shortly slowed down to be?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
How does she say? You know?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I don't like that? And I remember I said
it in the first version I played it for him.
He was like, Yo, you know what, you should say
that in every verse. I'm like you think so? He like, yeah,
just go back and rewrite them. Put that line right there,
put it in every verse.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
And I did it. Now that's like the highlight of
the record.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Like he always been like the constructor, Like I don't
get where that people like, yo, he wrote your rhyms.
Then I don't know why the askap checks come to me.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
But I mean as far as like I said to
me as an observer, like I said, when I heard
that story that you had to kind of like audition
to do that. Yeah, that means that your joint. God,
it wasn't at of necessity. It wasn't like, oh shit,
we need somebody right now. This is so great about
like both of our stories. I didn't audition to be
on the album, you know what I mean. I wasn't

(37:37):
part of the plans. I was never part of the
plan exactly. But I was part of God's plan. That's right,
you know, And.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
That's exactly what happened. Like I wasn't part of the
plan either.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
God made me stop them that day exactly, and it
changed the court of life.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
What did you feel like when they were walking up, Like,
did you know that there was a joint that didn't No?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
I just knew Jay was that guy, Like you know
you got Lexus coops that ain't out. You know, you
got the baddest chick in the hood. It's like this
guy go to his crib, you got waterbags, floor model
TVs AC. It was like I gotta get with him,
like because we spraying the water bottle on the fan
in my crib is as it's hot as ass down there.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
So and that's what I just knew. Man.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I needed to get with him, man like if anything
was gonna change, I was going to figure out how
to get money and learn how to get money with
a person who's getting money.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Can't get money with a broke person.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Y'all both broke with a blessing that it's that person.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
It's crazy. I always knew of all.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
People you could have came up to, like Joe Johnson,
like you you know, in prison for twenty years. But
if all people, it was this person.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I knew.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
And I'm not gonna just say I knew with Jay.
I also believe jazz O too. I remember seeing jazz
O and Jay in the elevator, like taking an elevator
ride with them from the first floor upstairs, and I
remember asking them, Yo, how you write a chorus? I
could write a verse, but I can't write a chorus.
And Jazz said to me, Yo, keep rapping. All you

(39:03):
gotta do is keep writing. It's gonna come. And I
remember saying to myself, if I told you I got
the verses, how the hell is the hook gonna come?
I'm telling you I can't write a hook. I don't
know how to think of a hook. And his advice
was keep writing, And he was right though. Kept writing
now and I learned how to make choruses. They I
would take choruses out the verse. But every day I
used to see them and pick their brain, try to

(39:25):
get in the car with them. Man, get out of here.
You can't come with us today. Get out of here,
not today, not today. So when I used to get
that call and be like, bleak, we need you in
the studio, bro, it just felt like life Like I knew.
I knew life was gonna change.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
So at that moment you did, Yeah, it was I knew.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I used to get in trouble for hanging with them, bro. Member,
there was the big you.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Know you got jazz.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, they was getting that money man, and moms be like,
what the hell you doing around there?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
You're too young. You ain't supposed to be with them,
Get your ass and outs.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
It was weird because that probably never happened in today's world.
You know, an older had little like that.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
It look weird. You know, people think everything is weird.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Today, but it's weird because not it. But like you
know that's the time we grew up in hanging on
that block. Those were old member elder statements.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
You know, it was like twenty thirty year olds and
I'm one thing I can tell team, but it was
an honor just to be chilling with them. A fourteen
year old city kid is the same mentality and mental
state of a twenty five year old suburban man.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
And that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Like a fourteen year old city kid has the same
responsibilities as a twenty five year old man who.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Grew up in the suburbs. It's no different. He probably
might have it harder, more responsible.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
We aging dog years.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Basically, No, it is because you think in the city
is is you got it rough?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Bro? Like you said your sister had to raise you.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Your sister how old she She probably was eight years old,
exactly twenty, you know what I'm saying. So thinks she
had to be thirty. She had to be a mother.
So think about that. That's what I'm saying. Like you
could take a kid from the suburbs and bring him
to a kid in the city, and the kid in
the city is way more advanced, like because they life
is faster in the city and that's just what happened.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
You age quicker, you do back and that's just what
it is.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
But back to the Rockefeller days, My god Pain, I
never forget Pain. My album release party, yo, one of
the greatest nights in my history of ever performing.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I got a chance to get called to the tunnel tunnel.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Shout out funk Master Flex, Big Cap, Miss the ce
Rest of Peace, Big Cap, and mister C. They call
me the Dude Risk the Piece DMX because DMX was
even at the album release party, the first album in
the tunnel. I remember, my god Pain like you're bleak,
Let's do the intro before you come out, and I'm

(41:51):
like you think so he like trusts me and you
went out there and the roof came in. We didn't
even have to play a record. That's how famous he was.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
It was weird because it's weird to see that once
you started that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
So now the guy to work for jay Z problems.
He can trouble running a song, he can called jay Z,
But now the guy's got Jaj's money a week no
matter what antelling records, fuck you pay me? Oh you
want him in your video, Fuck you pay me now
when you coming here shows up, fuck you pay me.
But then I had because I learned this from you,
I had a lot of money on me. I don't
know who gave it to me, You or somebody gave

(42:27):
it to me. When I did the fuck you pay Me,
I threw it into the crowd and I remember just
the ship looked like the scene and paying for with
the money.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Coming down in slow motion, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I got a story about the jay throwing money, but
got I'll let you finish.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
So.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
You know, the tunnel was incredible. So when that's happened,
everyone's flying all over the place. I just remember getting
off the stage. You got on there and they just
went fucking bananas. You know. When you started into into
the man, I got done done. The beat comes on
and just like you could feel the bill thing shaken seriously.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And so I got an earthquake.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
I got a story about myth bleakers because I didn't
even want that record to be we didn't even have
the record.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I remember being in the studio with you and Lenny.
Lenny was working as a project was his first project.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Me and Lenny almost died to make myth bleakis. Like literally,
we was on a Hard Knock Life tour. We were
supposed to shoot what you Think of That, featureing Jay
as the first single to come in age. Right, they didn't.
Matter of fact, Jay wasn't even on what you Think
of That? But that was supposed to be the first single.
They wouldn't clear the sample. So then Jay went to

(43:37):
Swiss like, Yo, my little bro need to be so Swiss, like, Yo,
I'm gonna be in New York this day when we off,
so Jay like I am a book y'all flight to
go home.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Me and Lenny. We flew from Buffalo on a propeller plane.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Man, that's in Hard Knocked Life.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yo, bro.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
That plane was shaking. So I was on there praying
like yo, please please Lenny too he laughing. I say,
you see what you got to go through to make
I'm telling you, and we layd we get there.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
We make the record Swiss like your bleak. I got
it for you.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
He got he had to hook on their myn bleaker
is and I'm like, alright, cool, I did it.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
And I'm like, I don't think this the record. I
don't think people gonna want to say my name like
and Jay like, man, you.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Bugging shut up. The record is dope. People don't like
they know your name, chill out.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
So then when we put the record out and the
response we got, and that response at the tunnel was like, hold.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
On, I'm they like me. That's for me, Like that's
how I felt.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
And you're the first artist other than d m X
to get a Swizz beat, right, No, Jay just coming
to H two, coming to sorry but of people, because
he did also.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
And jig jig my mother, but money.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I always equivocate swizz with X and then X being
on money cash holds like all right, he did that
for them, man, Obviously he did another joint on the value.
But you're the first artists other than those two colossals.
Nail's you that gets a Swiss beat.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Of I believe similar to like from mouth to switch
to Swiss fingertips.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Right right, but like Norri Norri with with the Neptunes, Yeah, no,
one have that people. Then who's that next one from
the dozen Neptunes?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
One?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I don't know, that's a good question, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
No, No, I gotta get for here for real, pull up,
pull up?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Man, who's the second beat? So that's piece up. That's
big as itself.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Look at that x J.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
You and he knew that was going to be a hit.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
The only thing I ain't sell those records it was X.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
But you went gold on no, no, no, no, no, you
did it. I went go, I went underestimate.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Every album went gold. But we talked about X went
four five million. Every album X dropped two albums in
one years. For the five million. That's it's never been
done before. It would never be done again.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
No, no, absolutely ever, Like I don't know, I don't
think people buy that many records at this point. People
don't understand the importance of selling that many progs.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
That you had to go to the store.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Like now it's a little cheat code because think imagine
we got the count for every time you played that CD.
Now today when a person download the album, every time
it played, they count, they get something, and they're giving
us fractions of the count. So it's really don't count
for the artists. It just counts for the you know,
the streaming providers.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
It's weird, how you know the music business breaks down,
you know, like the terrible of it.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
It's terrible.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
You have to I feel like music now you have
to use it as a platform to promote your other platform,
Like you know what I mean, it's almost like a commercial,
but yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
It is. It's a platform to let you know, like,
look what I'm capable of doing exactly, and that's what
that's really what he did. I mean as far as
business and what you did too. Look what you're doing
with this. Look at all the things that you brought
to the frame. You've done a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Were outside working. Not only don't really.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Appreciate and they don't recognize that you learned.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I learned from the best man. You know, we got
the weed out there my right exiety. We got the
say about came about from my wife actually because I
was hold.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Sorry to interrupt, you just played me a joint on
your new album that that's like you know you're talking
about her, and I appreciate that. It was incredible. You
know why it's incredible because watching you recite the rhymes,
you can see how heartfelt. It is no word to
see you happy that you deserve to be. And there's
nothing in life better. When a man has a strong woman,

(47:36):
that's that's that's behind him. I believe that's everything. That's
the navigator. Great, give you a beautiful daughter. Yeah, I'm
so happy to see you. Appreciate seeing and happy because
being happy is being successful to totally different and.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
And that is success to me.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Happiness, exact family, exact money ain't success to me.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Like money is something to be made, spending made again.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
So money something brings even worse than you.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Know, Bring bring Bring the drama more brings the greed
to more.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
That's right, but we on you.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
But you know, I'm like, praising somebody else is pain.
Thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I always felt too man And this is for the
people to know, Like why you never got into like
doing the voiceovers for cartoons or have you tried?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I don't don't what to say. Why you never got
into it?

Speaker 3 (48:31):
You probably tried, it just didn't manifest or like even
acting like I felt like you could have played a
role in state property. They killed me, you gotta I
could have killed you.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Well, all right, so a lot of things happened along
the way. So I always tell the story, and I
also get negative feedback to what the you talked about.
You weren't in it. So after being on the album
bring More, doubt. Uh. Back then, Abdul shout out Malik,
I but would film all the videos he did, so

(49:04):
he did, you know, Ain't No he did, Presidence he
did in my lifetime. And this is on their own dime,
that's right. So due to the success of reasonab moved out.
Jay's next single after Ain't No is gonna be the
marry joint Can Knock the Hustle?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, wait, we ain't even get in the streets
is watch it right right? And we're getting to that.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
We'll get you said a minute. But so they decide
Hype Williams is like the biggest director in the game.
Let's let hype director. Well, you know, we're gonna pay
him money, you know, pay him a lot of money
to do this. He just finished doing Tupac's California Love video,
which is basically a mini movie the mad Max shit

(49:48):
going on. It was incredible. So here's this guy gonna
direct Jay's next joint. So he comes up to the
to the label, comes up to Rockfi. I introduced, you know,
meet him at the door and bring him and I
was like, yo, you're gonna put me in a video?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
You know how these artistic people I was like, this
guy's a fucking dick. Heare you know what I mean? Like,
so here again with the anger.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I start snapping on it.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I started snapping on look at your chirt yp blah
blah blah, whatever, things like he's gonna direct the video
blah blah blah. So we get to the set and
I'm like, yo, you're gonna get me in the video
right straight ignores me again. I was like, this guy's
the fuck is wronging I I'm out of here. I'm leaving.
But again, like the time with the girl, I'm gonna
get people peace of my mind. So they were smoking

(50:33):
cigars him, Jay and Dame. This is in South Street,
Seaport downtown, and I'm like, look at this fucking guy
smoking a fucking dig whatever. I'm making fun of him whatever.
Everybody starts laughing and I'm like, yo, I'm leaving, I said,
So I walk away. And there was a woman named Fran.
Back then, she was the video promotion person. Her name

(50:53):
was Fran. She was the main video person.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
So, as I'm walking away, she runs she goes, hey,
may I ain't come back here, come back and back here.
I'm like, ah, ship dam it's gonna like punch me
in my arm or something like that, because you got.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Mad that I it was this a night.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
She's said, no, no, no, Hype wants you in the video.
M She goes, go get you go put on a suit.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
So it wasn't in the Dead Price, No, no, this
is the knock the hustle.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Can't not the hustle.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, So I put on a suit and I go
up this elevator and I go into this restaurant that's
right by the highway by the seaport, and there's an
elevator's door open. Hype goes here, comes painting the ass
and everybody starts clapping. So I was like, oh ship,
So like, yo, go ahead, you want to be such
a big mouth guy, got do something crazy. So I

(51:38):
ended up jumping on the table and I'm dancing on
the table and you see it in the video. You
know whatever in posts you could put that up there,
dancing in the video and whatever. So the video is
over and he's like, yo, I see Hype again out side,
and he's like, we said, you want to make fun
of me all the time this night. He goes, uh,
let me get your your your beeper number. This is
some beepers. So I get my number whatever. Six months later,

(52:01):
I get a page from a two one two number.
Now young generation don't understand. When you get a two
one two page.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
You knew you were in business. You was in business.
That's seven one day, you like, I want this chick
on what this dude.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Looking for me for the cops? Two was strong.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
That meant money, big.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Time, big time. So I call up and said, what's up?
Somebody paid me. I was like, it's Big Dog Films.
Who are you looking for? I was like, big Dog Films?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
It was this hype William's company. I said, well, somebody
page me paying that. So she puts me in hold.
All of a sudden, he gets on. Hees pain, You're
gonna be the next Robert de Niro. I wrote apart
for you in my movie. He goes, meet me right
now downtown. No, No, I'm sorry, meet me right now
in Jamaica. So I meet him by the colisseum. He
gives me the script for belly Wow. He wrote this

(52:49):
major part for me. What for doing now? So at
the time, I'm an intern. Still, even though I'm on
the album, I'm still intern. I'm not anything other than
all right, cool, that's a cool story. You got on
the album and you happen to be here. So they
got word of it. They got wind of it Jay
and Damon and they're like, all right, cool, we manage

(53:11):
you now. So I became the first. I became the
first like nonp.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yeah, but you get that's right. You know what that's called. Yeah,
put that speed stick on.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I mean but you know what they they they deserve
it because I wouldn't be anywhere it was it. So
he wrote this major part. I remember we went to
a reading and beh.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Was with me to I was also managed the profession
to put the speed real quick back to stupid real.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I said, get over here.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I remember we went to a reading and Nas was there.
Scarface the rapper was there.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Only one. We're not going to scar face.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
That scar face. Why are you here?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Man?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Supposed to be an interm? What then you're doing rapping?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
But uh, Terrell Cks was there from Okay from the
Bronx Tail and I used to love that movie. Tyron
Turner from Uh from Minister Society is there. He's sitting
right next to me. He's the one that ends up
playing in the movie because I don't like that ship.
I don't like that ship one bit.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna drive it down right exactly.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
So we're all sitting at the table like this, you know,
we're all together. Nas is there and everything, so I'm
reading my.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Parts, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It was like yeah, blah blah blah. And it was
like clapping and laughing and everything. And then during the
break I remember Nas was smoking with scarface and I've
seen him like, you know, I'm walking away because we're
saying you have an actor before. I was like, nah,
you got it. So I was like, oh, ship, I
end up here, you know what I mean, Like, wait,
I end up from from from that, from that to that. So,

(54:44):
because you know I used to love Nas going.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Up, Nas was like he was come on, man.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
So after we came back from the break, Pipe was like, yo,
I just spoke to the producers. We're gonna change painting
the ass his name from Coomington. It was to painting
to ask and I was like, oh. They started clapping
and this and that, and I was so exciting. You know,
It's one of the highlights of my career so far.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Why you ain't exactly exactly here it comes so all
of a sudden, I don't know what the fuck happened,
contacting back and forth, this and that, and you know.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Get ready unto wardrobe. You know we're gonna film this movie,
this and that, blah blah blah. Then all of a sudden,
it just went blank.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
You think, Jay and Dame asks me too much money?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
No, no, it wasn't that.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
What they wanted. The Denzel fief.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
You imagine that right now for pay I thifty thousand hour, right,
fifty thousand hour would be nice. What happened, I think
was that he needed to cut characters because of budget issues.
And even now, like you know, years later, like he's
very angry the way it came out because he didn't
get to do what he intentionally wanted. Like how I
remember reading the script that was it was totally different

(55:49):
from what I saw on the screen. But I was
really honored that he asked me to be part of
that because it did change everything because I didn't get
in belly. And I remember, as a matter of fact,
the day of the reading. We were supposed to have
a reading on a certain day, and my sister paged
me and I called back, say what's going on. She's like, oh,

(56:12):
you know they called from this company. You know there's
something about that they're not going to do reading today
because of other issues. You know that you'll do it
another time. So I'm like, all right, all right, cool,
So what's up? Nothing? I know, you get mad, you
know when I don't tell you things. I was kind

(56:34):
of set up, is it? What are you talking about?
So my sister raised me, but our grandmother was very
much part of our child.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, that's right, the backbone of the family.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I didn't know my my mother's side of the family
there in Columbia, so I just knew my grandmother. So
I'm like, what's going on? What the fuck? What's up?
Grandma died? Yeah, it's like, you know, my heart just
it was the first panic attack I've ever had. In
some of the panic attacks, yeah, it's like, you know,
just shaking, a lot.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Of people suffer from them and don't even know least
you recognize.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Right, It's just like I couldn't believe it, and eventually
I didn't get in the movie, so like there was
like a dark cloud around all that. Again more anger,
but how God works. Jay drops Volume one and he
says to me, You're gonna do it again, right, like

(57:30):
do what again? You do your day again? You know?
So it's in the studio. We did it again. And
it was a great album, great album, but it wasn't
received as well as it should.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Have been because what I believe was it was a
lot of competition.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
At that at that time, and Jay was talking about
things that wasn't keep it going over people's eyes.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yes, because Jay was talking about the lifestyle we live
today then, right, remember Rose.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Royce's big leads. People are just now getting these and.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Maybe the singles weren't the best. Like how you said
that you didn't like the men fleak is, Like, maybe
they weren't the best selections of the album because the
album is strong. Yes, so as smart as they are,
Dame and decided let's film a movie of the strong.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Records to every song. Now it's basically that damn near
every song.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Right. So we're in Marcie.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I'm mad they ain't called me for the Source Money
video though.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Oh that was fun. Yeah, that looked like a good time.
I was mad that was in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I wasn't married then, Yes, young guy, that.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Would have been a different song of that they.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Got me pulling out guns on You must love me, sure, people,
but don't invite me to the strip club.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
And that was that was a nice little see.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
That's two strikes. I didn't get a jack, no jacket
and no strip cover.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
That basically, you robbed me in my youth.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, you know what I mean, fifteen years old. You
don't do that to a fifteen.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Year old boy. You know what I mean. Let him
jack and let him go to the strip club thing
so he can please.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I wouldn't be talking about to this day.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I would have. So I'm in Marcie and We're in
the trailer, you know, and I just started wilding out
or something, and you know, he's like, as I'm tired,
so I do the scene from you know, my man, Colio,
what did you like me? You ain't like me, motherfucker.
I've been with made people connect the people who you've
been with. You snatching job ass motherfuckers. Won't you go

(59:15):
get last get out of here, go get a freestyle
of something. He said, Yo, go do that, do that
right now, yo, dude, let him do it right now,
And it ended up starting out. The street is watching.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
That's right, that's all belly would have been great for
me to do, yes, but I don't think it would
have done for me.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Which street is watching it for me because it's the
first time that people put together the face with the
voice from the homes. It was the first time that
I had that stage.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yes, where people recognize and as that.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
You and you was ltty right pain.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
It was just like an artist or rocket which am
which is crazy to drop the album. I should have
dropped something, you know, yo set a year and everybody pause.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I don't play pause. You even did a Jerky Boys
out that would have been crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Remember they had a comedy album. I remember they was
lit at one time, the Jerky deal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, the Pain and Assay ass thing or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
We're gonna get you lit. Don't worry. Somebody gonna contact
I'm the manager and they see that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
See that now you're putting it. Now you're doing a
deodorant thing, like, yeah, that's what we do around here,
right speed stick. We got your back and your armpit.
But it really changed my life because, like you said,
for the first time, people just recognized me like, oh ship,
you the guy from the album, and and that led
to your album and that led to eventually working with

(01:00:37):
you and being We did shows together, We traveled again,
we did to it again. We had a fun time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Same age to remember Jeta proof that everybody crazy ass has.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
When we was to wa.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Fighting, that's not that was our that was our logo.
We was the fighter fucking or maybe sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
But yeah, even when I remember when Freeway Beans and
all them got signed, they got you doing skits and
all that, Freeways still bring you out at the show man,
I like that definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
One of the coolest people. But now that been through
so much as well, you know what I mean, Like
I see that in him, like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I look it free as one of the strongest people
I know that still to be through what he'd been
through and still could get in front of that camera
and smile.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Fact like everything is okay. I commend them for you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Know, it's weird. It always happens, you know when you
expect them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I don't. But you can never plan for de cease
or or things to go wrong. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
You can just pray they don't, but you can't plan
for something to go You can have an if something
go wrong, stash you what you're gonna have an if.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
If something go wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Hort can't be like, yeah, my feelings if somen go wrong,
put these feelings over here to son go wrong. So
when it happens, it's just a natural human feeling, bro Like.
But to be able to get up and still push forward,
that's strength, bro, that's that's that's stronger than the body building.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
It is, you know what I mean, yes, man, Because
certain people, certain things happen in their life. I've seen
things break a person. I've seen the relationship some of
these dudes lose a girl, jump off a bridge. Insane,
you know what I mean, Like it's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Seeing a lot of a lot of escapism I've seen,
like when pain comes, people like escape to certain things.
That's why you know you offered me a drink and
I love you. I haven't your staff drinking in twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
God bless man, that's dope.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I always you know, I wanted to be in control.
You know, I would see myself.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
He was like the pisson and all that I've seen
the video of me pulling chill Await you did push
ups in the office naked naked? Yeah, like chill, we
come into office, this nigga doing push ups.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
But as it was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
It was I was talking to one of the chick
in the office and she was saying something like, you know,
you want to, you want to you want to do
something like you know, let's lets let's have relations and
put it in a nice way. Let's have relationship. Like no,
like Ay was like, give him out the office.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
He can't up to the office no more. And I remember, like, Yo,
what what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
What you do?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Do a push ups? That get greaz crazy? Nah? And
that's the least of it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I remember I performed naked one time, dead ass literally
not dead ass, but like naked ass, naked ass. I
before I don't know wat you know why? Because me,
me and my we were talking like you're scared. You're scared, man,
what you mean you're scared? He's telling me, you know,
helping me up, Like you can't even go up on
the stage. You're afraid, like you you're like you got

(01:03:29):
stage fright some time? I got stage right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Are you crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I go up there naked?

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
The fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
You never do that? And watch me and I don't
know what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I'm telling you. We getting you a voice over. Somebody
need to break something. We're gonna do some cartoon something
we give. By God, we got you doing all these impersonations.
It's a million guys out here that do impersonations that
don't sound like people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Well, you know, I got to give a big shout
out to Jay Farrell, Jay Farrow. I have an impersonation
that I did with him, and he does Jay and
I did something I did the skits this. Now it's
kind of funny. But he's talent. He's talent man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
He got it a couple people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
But then it's a couple of people who really don't say, like, yo,
you made it theirs and now you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Ain't no talent fan Like I know, a lot of
people use talented.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
You know, I see impersonations, Like you know, I always
equivocated myself or try to like embody. Like the graffiti artists.
I love graffiti. I love the fact that a graffiti
artist what he'll do or she'll do, or they'll do.
They'll they'll do that piece like they get their ups
within and then they'll put a character to it. They'll
have like Homer Simpson like a B boy pose, or

(01:04:38):
they have like Speedy Gonzales holding up the piece. So
they're adding character to the But that's really what I
saw myself doing when I was doing these skits. It's
like I'm doing the character, putting, getting my ups to
you know what I mean, and pertaining it to the
person that I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
And it's a lot of you here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
And nothing goes down on listening Blackjacks, Dope deals on nothing.
Something goes down to Marcy Bleak once in out there,
but we all stopped King of New York Baby's turn
and it always has been.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
That's right, my brother.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
But like I was gonna say, it's a lot of
platforms like I remember, like I know, Sight for Sounds,
got a comedy showing going on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
You know, we got a link.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
I told you, yeah, do that worry, No, I don't
want no percentage is just for you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Just man, Hey, let me tell you something. I learned
a lot of things doing business. Take everybody who does
something for me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
You get to worry.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
We got you listen because that that sometimes you're misconscrewed,
like as respect.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Let's shout out the fan, you know, even you know
his son Spanky.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Yeah, yeah, you have the dead ass.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, there's a lot of dead ass this show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
He does it with my man Malsie Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah, man actually has to be called me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
To do like an intro for the show. They do
it an s O big shot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
You ain't get involved, you know what it is like
the belly thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
There's been so many like close calls that never happened.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
No, you got to make them happen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
You do got to make happen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Some things getting is out of your control, but certain
things you very much control.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Bro. So OB's is right there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
It's right there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
He performed at us over a million times.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
We could go open sobs right there the show. Yeah, like,
come on, let's do something pain. I would more acting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I want to get involved in the acting, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yes, but it's starts, so you got to start somewhere. Yeah, yeah,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
I mean that's another thing. As far as close closes,
I remember Jay and Damon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
And talking about the supposed to being someone tell me about.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
They wanted me to be me to be a comedian. No.
So at the time, you know, I'm eighteen years old
and that anger is there and I like making people laugh.
It's cool, But I don't do stand up. Yes, I'm
a gangster. I do sit down, Okay, you know what
I mean. So I don't want that. I want to
I want to play the Tony Montana role this and that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
So little for that, too little for that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I gotta do that. I gotta I gotta play a
little like, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
The little Tony they come out with the little like
with that guy from.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Game the Thrones was his name, the short the is
wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
You know, like they come up with little sopranos.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Little sopranos would be right, little Tony? What the what?
What do you want from me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Tom?

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
What do you watch? I'm trying what if I could
short Tony? But eventually after doing uh No, after doing
Streets is Watching, then they started Rockefeller Films, and then
we're doing all these films. But do you have your
supposed to be in Paper Soldiers with Kevin Hart.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
They put me in Paper So you ran from dang
for that, right, I did too. I was why you
should have wanted to be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I didn't like the character.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I didn't like the character they had me playing his
you see in the movie, like the dude that's rolling
win him. I like and want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I was just saying, no, I was it's almost like
they tell me when I tell people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yoke wasn't Kevin Hart, but he became. He got so
plain from that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
But the thing was, at that point, because of the
belly thing that I got respected enough to be asked
to be in something like that. You doing this, now,
why don't you do something for him? Or let me
get something. Let me be the Kevin Hart character in that,
let him be my man, you know what I mean?
That's at that point, at that point right now, No,
not right now, I'm at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
He ain't even a sidekick to the rock they fighting
for who.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying
to say. Back then, he wasn't the Kevin Hart should
have been my platform, is what I'm trying to say,
is what I felt now looking back, You could.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Be a plastic cutboy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I could definitely do that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
You just you got water in your cut?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
You see that? Or you're in assumption, YO spelled it
up like that. So I mean a lot of things
I turned down and I could have done that really
could have taken me to another plateau. But I'm very
happy where I'm at right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
No, I'm not saying yes, why because you so talented
to me like one of the funniest person people that
I have imaged you and Kevin Hart that I know
personally that I sat and seen do work perform on camera.
And when you stop back to the regular cool guys
like that, I can't do that. That's why when they

(01:09:27):
wanted me to do drum line, It's like, I can't act.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I'm not a drum.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
I think Singleton Singletary, that was John Singletary rest in peace. Yeah,
he contact John Singleton, Yes, he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Knowing what he did for Park did you want to make.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
He wanted to pay for acting class for me and
all that because I told him I could not act.
But the real thing, I was scared so Jay Jay
cursed me out about that. He paid for acting classes
for me and I still never act. So but that's
neither hit her. I never wanted to be an actor me.
I thought rat was gonna be right. Plateau, how can

(01:10:06):
you come back?

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I'm a drummer, but I'm over here telling niggas I'm
a gangster. How can't on? It don't work?

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
You didn't know how to decipher the character from what
they would view you as because and That's the way I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Felt with that certain role.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Take is your life like rkle will never not be
like I don't care what he do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
He can't escape that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
What I'm saying, He's always going to be that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
It's like the girl in the neighborhood as a whole too,
Like when she gets older, she changes her life, like
she's always gonna be the whole, right, Like, is that weird?
You always labeled as that she's married and everything. His words,
not not mine. These are not my words. I've been
possessed by the movie Scarf. No, but it's it's weird
because even in growing up in the hood, you labeled

(01:10:50):
a certain thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Yeah, but if you snitch, you're always gonna be the snitch.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Yes, you ever seen like I seen driving over here
the the unions, Yeah, when they blow up the rat,
Yeah they have a little rat like that the site
is being held by non union workers. I think, wouldn't
it be dope if they had that same rat in
the hood, Like if you like to snitch on someone,
like in front of your crib like that, Because I
just want to know that right here in five three

(01:11:16):
seven is a snitch living here. You sir, wouldn't that
be dope because now the whole neighborhood knows that they rated.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
The game has changed. People accepting rats now, are they? Yeah, Man,
look at Instagram, bro, look at social media. These got
the game has changed. It's not the more rules and
the codes we grew up. Those don't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I would never rat. That's why I would never commit
a crime, because you would. Because I would never rat.
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
I would never rat. So I would never commit a crime.
That sound like if I commit a crime telling.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
No, no, no. I would never do that because I
would never put myself in a position where I had
to rat somebody or like, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
That's why they say do your crime by your own
exactly what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Or not even do crime at all, you know what
I mean. There's other ways, there's other avenues.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
There's a lot of ways to get money out here
without having to exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Especially our days, you know, you could sell anything nowadays.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Definitely, Man, And I see I wanted to shout out
the homie chic, the chic man I see you got
on his sweat soup plug.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
You know, that's Marsie out in the building getting to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
It, you know, I mean actually got a lot of
things going on to a lot of artists out there
that you know, contact with. They shout out to Breezy Lynn,
a lot of people, a lot of artists and Marcia Benny,
Benny my man out there, Like there's a lot of
artists that are like making noise from that same neighborhood
that you're from. Well, how do you feel about that?
Like being there that you grew up in that environment
and to see an artist kind of like develop from it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Like let's say, like I tried with you with Yeah,
I tried to I tried to reach back to a
lot of these kids. But today music business is different.
I respect every single artist coming out the hood. I
love what they're doing, from all of them, to the
young guys, to the girls, to everybody what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
But today the game.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Is so accessible with YouTube, you can just put your
stuff out. You got all these United Masters, you got
rock Nation distribution, you got all these E one and
all these Yeah, you could just put your music out
yourself to where a lot of these artists think they
know more than their executives today.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I'm so glad that it's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Like I don't have time to beef with an artist,
and it's like I've been there. I've been to the
top of the mountain. So I'm never gonna let a
person who never sing the top of the mountain tell
me how to get to the tape athlete and tell
me I don't know when I've been up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
There a few times.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
It's like, fans, I done left the flag up there
four times? You feel me you trying to get there.
But and that's what it is like. I respect them,
and and I think the game has become where a
lot of these artists now before they even make a record,
they automatically think, and I want to own my masters.
It's like who you're gonna sell them to? Who you're

(01:13:43):
gonna do business with? All right, you own your masters?
What movie are you putting them in? What who were
you like for your caniar? Where you licensed in this music?
You don't even know how to get a license to
drive a car, but you're gonna license your music.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Okay, let's see it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
So it's a lot of want to be big business
artists and small business.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I think I think it's because of the discus, the
influence of Yes, the artists, what they talk about and
what you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
You hear these guys telling you on records. Yeah, I
went triple plating.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Them and I own my masters.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Impossible. It's just like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
But they you know, people believe what they hear and
sometimes don't even believe what they see.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
So now I wanted to discuss this with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
You got a question for me? Discussion? I want to
have this debate with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Debate.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Let's be ye debate with you because step let's all
these skits that I did, These were my ideas. These
are my that's right, things that I came to him,
and I'm like, you know, this is what we're going
to do. He gave me that right after the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I never had that, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
So, like I said, I always seen him like Corlito.
That's why I'm value on it. Somebody's pulling me close.
That's the opening of.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
You gave me King of New York.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
But I gave you something bigger than that. And you,
I heard recently and i've seen in interviews don't agree
with it, and I don't understand why in a respectful way.
So valume one is the opening of Callidos Way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Volume two is the ending of Calling Those Way. Sorry boys, Oh,
I know you're going with it. You can't take me back.
Now made down, I'm going to stretch my mic out.
It's gonna be a good rapper, new and brooming. Prove
jay Z who told you say that? That's my idea?

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Oh that was no?

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
No, No, Jay approved it obviously has so No, it's not.
It's not. It's not. And I'll tell you why. I'll
tell you why. I'll tell you why. You got to
put it in context and where we and I know
people are gonna disagree whatever they say. Jay came out
Reasonable Doubt came out with value one. Those two albums
to me the greatest of all time. They weren't really

(01:15:59):
received the way they should. Yes, and he was gonna
quit at the end of Reasonable that Doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yea. He wasn't supposed to even make enough.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
But he got through the grace of God. We got
the deaf Jam situation, and now he was going to
come out with one more and that's it. But he
was split it up into two parts. I wanted Volume Too,
So what I said at the beginning of Volume Too,
there was no valume too yet he didn't even get
to that plateau yet. There was no hard knock life,
There was no can I get it well, none of that. No,

(01:16:27):
that has happened yet, and he's retiring. So you are
that next person in line. Yeah, I mean you are
the next one. Jay Z has not become the jay
Z that we've come to know and love.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yes, when he said that he was not the jay
Z of today, you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Said before that that put a lot of pressure on you,
But at that point there was no pressure because, like
I said, to me, here he wasn't, but he wasn't.
What now in retrospect we look back, but James the
biggest artist of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
But remember to the fans he wasn't, but always to us,
Jay always been who he is today. Yes, so you
can't say he wasn't who he was. He wasn't who
he was to the world yet. But we all know
under that Rockefeller umbrella, that man is one of the greatest.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Absolutely absolutely, That's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Why everybody believed and pulled on one accord to see
him win and see this Rockefeller.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Thing absolutely flourish.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
He was who he was for he got here bro.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
So okay, So secondary. You agree with that, you, in
my eyes, have had an incredible career.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Of course, yes, you may have not lived up to
that height.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
What it was because because.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
He continued, as you can, should have quit, right, not he.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Should have quit, but I mean at that moment, let
me drop three albums at that moment, At that moment,
That's what it was. Though at that moment he was
stop and then not quit. He was going to do
the business side like he's doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
He could have invented the word cat back then. I
could have whipped in. The student told jay Yo, why
are you capping?

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
He said, you said why a you Yankee captain?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Yeah, Yo, why are you capping? Was gonna retire and
let me be the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
But to me, you are that guy. Look what you've
done for this game. No, I, how does that the
greatest hip hop beef of all time? How did that stop? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
It started by this kid named Jaba from Marcie by
telling me, Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
You're gonna let nas dish you like that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Son?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
And I said, what play the joint? And I said, yo,
goop put the beat on? And then Twins actually gave
me mine right beat and who me?

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
All right? You brought this to the table.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
No, no, no, no, I didn't. I didn't bring this
to the table. No. It was an idea that Jay had, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
And when I spoke to him, he was like, I'm like, yo, bro,
the raps ain't clicking, shows, ain't booking. I need some
real money that you know, I can really do this
business shit. And he like, yo, I got something I'm
thinking about getting involved with new liquor and showed me
the bottle and I said, let me get my hands
on that. I'm gonna put this in every hood across America.

(01:19:03):
You did, And of course the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
First real record that up Northeast had of like down
South artists.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yes, who was that? Me? Round here? Baby?

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
You know that round here Trick Daddy t I. Yo,
that's the reason why I could live in Florida comfortably.
I'm like honorary Florida. Y they love me just because
I fucked with Trick.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
You got a string of hits. Of course, whether they
like it or not, that's yours.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
That's right now. I never I never said my career wasn't.
I wasn't happy with me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
The only reason I said what I said, I said
that what I said was I felt like the bar
was raised too high for me because at that time,
I wasn't who I am today, you know, mentally, like
I was a kid. I was fifteen, sixteen years old.
Remember I was sixteen years old when coming to age drop.

(01:19:57):
I was nineteen years old when my album comes. So
I wasn't who I am today. And what I'm saying
is it put the pressure on me, which was at
that time good because it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Made me better.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
It's like, if I'm the new improved jay Z, that
mean I gotta be better than what he's doing. But
at that time of me improving enrhymeen, he just was
fucking improving too. It's like, my nigga, you ain't gonna
stop when it is the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
It's almost like you like racing ya, just getting fast.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Yeah, And that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Like I know the reason why I didn't become the
new improved J because J became the new improofd J.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
He went from jay Z to Hovah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
If you can go back and talk to yourself right
now from that time, like you said, if you're not
the person you are, then what would you say? What
advice would you give to you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
What I would give advice to myself is don't don't
listen to the to the you know, the people in
the crowd. Man, don't listen to the crowd noise. Stay
focused on the game. And that's what it is. I
got too hype by the sideline noise and God sidetracked.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Almost like a shooting a free throw.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Yeah, and I'm looking at the people with the clap,
focusing on them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Yes, if I could go back and talk to myself,
I now, like you said, the person of the thing
that you know now realizing that's stupid, is I would
have appreciated the moment more. I feel like I didn't
appreciate it while it was happening in a real time,
you know what I mean. I appreciated the fact that
I was part of something, yes, brotherhood or sisterhood, you know.
I felt like, you know, everybody in there was like family.

(01:21:30):
But I didn't appreciate the moment. I appreciate the importance
now when you don't have a mother and your father
is out and moving around and you just not even
promises you're gonna see you on the weekend and never
shows up. There's a void there. Yes, that I've been
chasing my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Do you have kids?

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
No, I mean, unfortunately I could have a few times
and it just didn't happen. Well, bad decision making.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Because I grew up without a father. I never never
ever said the word dad a day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
In my life.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
So when I had my son, of course, So that's
what I'm telling you. The void you're talking about been there.
When I have my son, it felt weird. Even when
he used to call me that. I used to tell
my son, don't call me that because I never said
that word a day in my life. I just tell
my son called me bleak. So that's why my son,
when he found out my name was Malik, used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Like your Alik.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Your name is bleak, but my name Alik, you bleak,
I'm Alik. So then you know, as he got older
and I knew the responsibilities of a dad and things,
it made me. Actually having a kid made me hate
my father more just knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Where he left. Absolutely, because I would never turn my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
So that's why I asked you because it feel yes,
but my brother was in and out of jail, it
felt the void.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
But it never is nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Going to change it, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
But but the kid definitely makes you makes it easier.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
I don't have a kid, but I will say one thing,
So chasing after that void, that emptiness, Really you want
to be loved. I saw you rapping right now before
we started filming this podcast about your women, and like
I said, what I saw is you were happy, of course,

(01:23:13):
and I love that feeling. As time has gone on
and evolved and the generation is turned the page. I
walked the streets now and people come up to me
and they're like, yo, I grew up on your voice.
Just a little slipper of that void because it's love.

(01:23:36):
These people are showing me love and they're telling me
that they hear my voice.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
And you help them through a dark time or your
words did this? Like you hear all that stuff? A
pivotal We played a pivotal role in music at a
time when you know, New York hip hop was all
over the place. I remember we had underground. We have
people putting buggets on the camera lenses. You know what
I'm saying. Biggie and Jay really came and made people

(01:24:02):
clean up, get that jury that money talk. So like you,
you play a major role in people lives and when
nobody will ever forget this, even when I called Nori
and I'm like yo. He like, yo, what's your next
shoot for the part? And I'm like, yo, I got
pain in the ass coming. He even was like, oh nobody,

(01:24:24):
no pain story. I'm like, yeah, man, like you know
his voice, you know what the talent is, but they
don't know the story. And that's why I wanted to
give you your flowers on here and let people know
you more than.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Just a void.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Give me some flower. The rest of that we could
take care of that with just the flower. For got flowers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
The people behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Yeah, I just need some flower bag, so that'll be
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
That's right, yo, chill yo.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
But anything you got new, anything you got coming up,
anything you're working on, anything we should be expecting. Where
can people find you at the follow you reach out
to you if they can't reach your manager.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Each reached the bleak manage.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
I don't like to be followed. Following is like you know,
I still live like in the same place, you know.
Now whatever comes my way, I'm walking God's path, you
know what I mean. I'm a little different than I
was when I was young, you know, So wherever God
leads me, ever, God puts me, that's where I need
to be. So that's what I'm working on now, that's
wherever he puts me. I want to be in the
best frame of mind. I want to be ready. You know,

(01:25:24):
that's an important thing in this business. Always be ready
because a lot of times I was called last minute
and I had to be there. I had to show up,
and I had to be the best, you know what
I mean. So always be prepared. Always be prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
As long as you prepare, you never have to get prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Exactly. Look at Bleak Bleak, the moment you came up
to them, like you didn't realize that was going to
change your life because you were prepared at that moment ago.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
But I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
But I wasn't prepared for the for the a Latin
carpet ride we took. I didn't know that was going
to happen. I'd have saved a lot more money. Back then,
I was doing stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Were doing a lot of you were doing a lot
of shows.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
I was finally putting TVs in my car, watching.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Jerry Spring Spring the while you're driving?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Was I driving?

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Miss Daisy was driving?

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Remember it wasn't nothing on TV back then.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Jenny Jones. Like used to watch Jenny Jones in front
of the high school.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
And it was crazy read about all those shows that
they're like catered toys, like like for females.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
To the Ricky Lake Show.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
I don't know, you're watching a Ricky Lake show? Are
they talking about that? Would that would resonate with me?

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Now you know the the Ricky Lake I used to
look at it and be like, who's the secret crush?

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
They bring him out? Yeah, my god, and I'm about
to do you remember the Richard Bay Show?

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
No, Richard was Richard Bay?

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Was Jerry Springer before Jerry Springer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
There is no Jerry Springer. Put us on the heatonism.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
There is the only person you could call it Jerry
Springer before you is Benny Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Benny Hill, remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
That's Jerry Springer before Jerry.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
When they chase him out of the town, out of there?
What was there with the big mouth? What's his name?
Morton Downey Jr. Remember him?

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Yeah? But yo, if they can let Carrot Top get famous,
come on, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Come on, what do you get famous for? Carrots? I
just haven't read.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, like my pain, come on, pain.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
And he like he like started working out too crazy.
It looked like pop up and he looked like like
a third basement from the nineteen ninety eight Yankees or
something right like you look like you're about to get
a home run into the upper deck of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
The But they still get booked.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
The Vegas Carrot Tops still got Billboard's evages.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
I don't know one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Character top joke movie nothing, So I'm saying pain. Listen
see that. I let the man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Them and hammer baby by minute.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
You know what this is, man, This has been rock solid,
and I appreciate you for this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Ain't gonna be the last time we need you back
on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
We're gonna have some comedians come up eventually, and I'm
gonna let them know you're gonna burn them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
You have comedian battles.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
So wait, tell me real quick before we go, no
time versus. Tell me about the concept of this of
this show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
The concept of this show is just what you are solid.
You know, we rock and we solid. The concept of
the show is I want to highlight my people what
you're into.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Your talent.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
People could know how I become managers and put the
speed stick on these guys. You know what I'm saying.
And if y'all want to book you just this is
what the platform is, man. It's just giving people story,
letting people know the dedication, the hard work.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
You might inspire somebody somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
You never know, you know what I mean, somebody probably
watching Family Guy right now and out there talking.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Like Stewie right right, see that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
You never know, bro, No, you never do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Anything is possible, anything is capable of happening.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Believe God first, all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Man, Believe and believe in yourself. Believe in God, and
just know that you know He's going to put you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Like belong when you belong. Remember to write people too,
and what's for you will come to you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Absolutely you don't won't. That's right, So don't don't ever
nah some some dot just to come that wasn't for us.
When they came, they really did come.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Right, Jill, We out here man, Rock Solid, Baby Douce,
Save My Fear of Mind, Right Exotics.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Chick of the Pain.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
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