Episode 9 w/ Saigon

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Big with this year in Memphis. I'm back, Gaddy, niggas,
notice the difference, just pro pressy stones. Yeah, y'all you
already know what it is.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yours truly M Greasy, back with another one, rock solid baby,
And like I told you, you see a person sitting
on this motherfucking platform with me, that mean one thing.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
They solid. And this is my broke straight from New
York City, Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I don't even know where he from, Queens Brooklyn, long
At and he the whole I w rep a lot
of places, That's what I'm saying. He wrapped the whole
city and he repped and he's silent. And this is
my brother side side, motherfucking gone. Want to welcome you
to rock Silad, my brother, how you being my g.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Same ground, been seeing out seeing you out here moving?
You know what I'm saying, My.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
God be Bentley driving with the kids with the top
all flying down the highway, enjoying life.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
You know what, man, It's a beautiful thing to be.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hell Yeah, because we go back along baseline like Baseline
is the foundation of New York City hill Hop, like
go the era we baseline babies, bro dip set go
through there. We seen fucking cam in there when they
was cool. We seen all of their baseline.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Was I tell your story. I've seen the baseline. Niggas
might not know.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I remember j car Buster to come through to do
a song, and Buster came through the vessel and I'm like, damn,
who Buster got beef with?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I wanted to get Damn. I'm like, put me on.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I can tell you exactly what fifty to violator.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh, I'm telling you fifty cent got signed the Violator.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
That's when Buss got the muscles. Think about it. Bus
was skinny before with the Violator. Remember Bus went and
was like, yo, y'all even thinking he went from being
skinny most of his career. We know this nigga is
skinny Buss. He was skinny since leaders in the.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
New fifty went the Violator and solo and records that
nigga said, fuck it.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Let's go. You gotta get all y'all been working out door.
I got always work.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I stay, I get ready to punch people, yo, yoven
know because these Wyans is crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
It's the Yann't I worry about the y ms. You
gotta stay out there.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
With They're crazy though, Yo, They're crazy, bro, like that.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
They don't respect nothing, bro.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's why they got to hear from guys like yeah,
because you've been through it, my g you know what
I mean. Before the cameras cut on, you was telling
me something I never experienced. You know, I had a
lot of friends that go in and out of incarcerration,
you know, that have bad breaks in the street. And
a lot of people think your life stops because you
went to jail or it's over. But I know a
lot of people like yourself that went to jail, came

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home and changed their life around.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
The jail is a gift, It is a blessed.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
It's a gift and a curse if you if you
use it for what it is work because you look
at it, it takes what eight nine years to become
a doctor. So if you focus and becoming a doctor,
and you like, because the real doctors can't hang out
in the street and go have fun and be wake
up drunk and naw, doctors got laser tunnel vision.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
They gotta be school school, school school.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
If you use that same time and say I'm gonna
apply my life to doing that, A lot of dudes,
that's why everybody come on Brolot because they in the
gym every day, they doing four or five hours a
day in the gym.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
If they would have did that same time.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
In the library and been building the information and find
out what's going on in the street or learning some shit,
they could come home ready with the tools. Almost like
you went to college, like but Tacki took college in
ninety five. But before that you can even get a degree.
I think now you can again in New York. Yeah,
they put it back, they took it away. It took

(03:45):
it away on couldn't get a degree, but they fucked.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
They was fucking us up. Like when Giuliani and Pertacki
came in.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
They came and just started saying, you know what, everything
clip everything hit everybody at the parole inventedto Rico. Yeah
you know what I mean, he didn't invent it, but
he's one who like he bought it. He bought it
back up and was like, oh that's pretty ship. Yeah,
because he went and got God.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
And niggas hell. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now look and they applied to gangs. Now you know
what's funny. They know we not organized, but they like
the law still apply exactly. These niggas ain't organized. But
we can lock up thirty niggas just for saying one thing. Yeah,
that's it. It's crazy how they're doing this, man. But yeah,
I want to go back to how we met each other.
I met we you know, we got a mutual friend

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shout out my brother, true fucking kid.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I mean that's how my bro, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Our devot and the whole family.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Of course, that whole man.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I know what y'all did, Like I watched that ship
from Inception.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, what debo
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, everybody, free cast came through niggas. Don't know y'all
put out casting niggas don't even know they came through
a lot of niggas.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Don't know. Free tax doone too, man. You know it
was a dog. It was the dogs, man. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You know what, it's street niggas When they mix up
that industry shit like tax, I'm like, nah, not going tax.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Mom, Like bro, the streets alone, niggas was doing great,
like getting tax was making a lot of fun. So
it was cash. Cash was making niggas money. Niggas was
just you know what I.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Think it is man the Lord the streets man like especially.
Gotta remember they are younger than us, so they still
was on that vibe that we was on when we
first got on that I got a rap, I'm outside, So.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I hate that for us.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know why these these young brothers because I look
at hip hop from before we was talking earlier, like
Special Led was like sixteen, like when he made I
Got It made. This kid was going on in Rasmus
High School. Crazy was on the phone Coogie rap, Coogie
rap to me, yo side. You know I was seventeen
when I wrote wrote to the Riches. No way said
I was seventeen years old.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Want to wrote that song? I want to thank you
put me on my first record with Coolie Rapp.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know what I'm saying. Mechanical animals, man like wrap.
One of my first favorite coming up.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Roders is Crazy. That's what I'm about to say.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
That how we we linked up and went to the
studio and made the motherfucker classic that we never put out.
He just was on the street and it was fire.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Just that's his favorite record of mine, even more than
the ship he did Yo. Like when they were talking
like your favorite is Roders you and I said, you
lying word the mother even and I did twenty like
in the weird this ship and I don't winning records
with this nigga.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Word, Yo, how was it?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
How was it like working with just because when I
first met you, you know, Rich Climb and everybody, they
were shot out Rich Climb, Mark ronson a nigga, Rich
clim Look Rich Climbing owned boardroom that nigga and give
me the rants, like, yeah, they are here putting the
Deoda rent on niggas right here is some in the

(07:07):
back in the back of niggas.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Next word up, bro, guys we came up with when
they was like like you trying to figure it out.
I used to carry my Ronson records and Sid like
carry his records.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And one day I seen a nigga run from run DMC.
He was like yo, So I started Wow. I was like,
fuck it, I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
The right thing.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I was just coming from jail. And luckily, you know,
I used to I used to date Joy Bryan. You know, wow, No, man,
that was he was outside, that was my I was.
I was a little madly in love with that woman.
I'm still in love with him. She's married and all that. Oh,
I told her, I'll never stopped loving you. I got
twenty million, girlfriend. You only could talk like that when
you know how to fight like you gotta fight real

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because you know the husband he said right.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Now, they still love. I don't want to know how
good you look. Look.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Look, I don't want no smoke with her husband. He
runs like all the stuntman companies in Hollywood. So them
niggas have no problem jumping off a building, nigga superhero.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I'm not. Look.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I love her because as a friend, as a friend,
because we was kids.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I was puppy love. But I met her I was
still in prison.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's funny because I had this girl in prison and
my man and Nick Kwan shot to my brother Nick Kwan, man,
get well if you know if you know what I mean? Yeah,
shot best whole best style man. They from cos going on.
So it's right there. You had Joy Brian pull up
on the dance floor.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Not for me.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
That's how I met her. I was still in prison,
so she came up. Then I'm giving you the good ship,
So I'm giving him the exclude. I never told the
story in my life, and I've been in this game
twenty years so Joy had came up with a guy
named Ben to see my man and ny Kuan Kuan
keep telling I wrap in jail on the off fall.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, I'm the nicest.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yard father at the yard. That's why. That's where that
come from.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Was the nast rapping the yard, call me the yard
and some old Italian.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Nigga gave me that name.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
My nigga was like, yo, he's the godfather, he said,
Nigga loo the niggas the yard father said that's hard,
and I was like this struck a bell running with
that like talking them to yard Father and that's where
that sagon the y'all father ship comes on.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
So I was so this nigga knew a nigga who
worked at Loud Records.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
They knew Maddie c Maddie Scott Free. When the Scott
Free and the nigga showing see it was.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Working at it was that's when Loud Loud that was
the hottest hip hop label all everybody dropped a lot
of classic dead prayers, fucking sellar dwellers. Yo. I remember
I used to wrap like the seller too. From the land.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
He was from the shaft. Yo, me and my man
Quinn shout out Quinn from he was from the Shouts.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
He was rapping.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That's how you know he was ready with Jake Carder.
That's why you was ready. That's the beau outside. Shut
thee dwellers. Oh yeah, he said, I'm about to set
it passed me the sellers. Hell yeah, YO, tell me

(10:31):
how you.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Met you know? All right?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
So Joy Joy had came up with this guy to
see Nate kN Kuan was like, Yo, these guys know
people in the music business.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I'm on the dance floor.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I want to visit with my girl, who was super
bad at the time, and they're like, Yo, that's the
guy who'll be rapping. That's the sigon the guy be
telling you about. So we just we're not even supposed
to interact with other people visits.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
He was like funk that. I was like, yo.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I once shook her hand and like hey, he ain't
no talking, no cross visiting shit. I'm like, fuck that,
how you doing, Minister Da Da?

Speaker 1 (11:04):
That was that.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
So the nigga got out. The nigga who was like, Yo,
this one of you get out. I'm'na help you. That
nigga kept his words. Son.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
He got out Nigga about eight months before me.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
So when I got out, he was like, Yo, I'm
gonna take you to Maddy C and them niggas.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
You could rap for them. And that's how Biggie got on.
That's how they got an unsign hype. He rapping Maddie C.
He got an unsign hype, and then Puffer and all
that shit came later, but that's how Big got in
unsign hype. So what he had did was then nigga
would just I ain't I don't wanna divert. So when
I came home, we all became like cool cause I

(11:41):
She was like, oh you home, we gonna help you.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
So we staying out every day.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
The nigga Ben was her boyfriend, a white dude, and
it was a white guy, and so we used to
hang out every day and just chill, go to clubs
like I used to see Jay fucking with all the
models because Joey was a model. She was getting us
in the clubs. We being all them shits were. Damn,
it was all downtown, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Help you. So, long story short, you took the white girl,
the white dude girl.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you why let's get do that.
I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you how I
did it. Like face, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you
how one day, Like I said, we used to all
we used to all be her crib. She had to
fly crib in the village. We used to all be
her crib and I'm only only you could get this ship.
This is my brother only here. We used to all

(12:27):
be her crib in the village. Yeah, we used to
all be her crib in the village and ship be
like Yo, jay Z. You know that's her on jay
Z album twenty in the Purse, that's Joy.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I was. I was all crib when she went and
did it, And.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I'm like this, she is probably in there with bringing
them or my mother Joy Joe Joy would tell you
I was in her crib waiting for her.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
She was like, dang, call me to come down to
the studio to do something for jay Z. So I
was like what exactly she I'm like, I ain't. I'm trying.
I'm trying to be like I know hat her she
helping me with my little rap career.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
She go down there, so she come back I'm like,
what you She's like, they just had me do some
dumb ship.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't know. She said, put this in it, and
when it came out, I was like, that's joy. That's dope.
You know that. Niggas don't know that's joy. Brian.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
So I look at the crib like this, you know,
the emoji with the smoke coming.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
What the hell going on? You know? The smoking mo
nigga was like, that's crazy to come back.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm like, yo, but you know, so, long story, longer
than the reason why she started liking me because her
When I was at our crib one day, her homeboy
had an argument and he said some racial ship and
I defended her. He said he called her nappy headed wonder.
He said, ain't you a nappy headed wonder? They was
having Usually when they fight, I stay out of it.
He's like, aren't you a nappy headed one? I said,

(13:51):
what did you say that? And then I said what
the fuck you said? I said, Yo, you ever disrespect
a black woman in front of me? And we was
friends like, ben, I love you, but I'll fuck you up, bro,
I will fuck you up, and he was he apologized.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
He was like, I'm sorry, bro, I'm not raised.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
He went through his whole I'm like, nah, I know
people say shit they don't mean, but I'm like, bro,
so we got past that. They got past it or
I guess whatever. But like a couple of months later
they broke up. But I think from that moment, she
looked at me different she was. She didn't look at me.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's like little so. It wasn't the scar.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
It wasn't dressed you with me. It was leaned on me.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I'm just saying I'm just putting the scene out so
niggas can know what type of love.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
It was like she no, that's my now. You know
what's funny. And from that point on, it was a
paradigm shift. And some niggas were saying like, yo, you're like,
I ain't allow niggas. Niggas was looking at me once
they seen at me and her was a thing like
stretch your armstrong, I know your niggas. Even certain niggas
was like damn, why would Some was trying. Some wasn't
really trying to help. He was just like helping his man.

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I wasn't his pa. I was his man's man. I
Waswn's man.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
That was like the street that's how we go. That
ain't your man? Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
We a lotoy. Without Joy, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have
became Sagon because she supported me. She's doing it, was like,
you can make it. And I watched her. She wasn't
no actress when I met her. She was just a model.
I watched her. I want to act, and I'm like,
go ahead, go for it. And she went and got
her first script and started learning lines. I used to
practice lines with her, ship, practice word the mother, practice

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lines with her first.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
The first time she didn't get apart. She started crying.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm like, just keep going. She kept going. Next thing,
you know, she got that ship with Beyonce was the
MTV ship with Beyonce. Yeah, it was ship with Jennifer
Hudson in them right, Nah, it.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Was her Beyonce. What was the name of that ship? Man?
They played best friends in that ship. It was MTV special.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
It was an m TV movie. Yep, it was a special.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Were gonna get it?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
So h somebody in the comments that clip in this
one you heard a big dog and throw that clipping, googling,
throw that clipping of the first time she did some acting,
ship and and she it was like and from that
point on she went on to do Antoine Fisher fifty
movie Anton Fisher. Antoine Fisher to Roscoe Jenkins was my

(16:20):
ship and that's one of the first movies. I ain't
gonna front ad me like, damn.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Fell back and Fisher ship was fire too.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Antoine Fisher his longs was on some ship like that
had me like, damn man, you know, we all grew
up rough, but see how that was and moms ain't
want nothing to do with homie. That one touch base
was like oh ship. So then how that from that
crew led to the Mark Ronson.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
And uh, you know rich climbing and then how did
that lead to just Blaze?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
So that led to Just Blaze because I was signed
was I did it? I did like a production deal
with Mark Bronson. They started Leado Records and they just
had me and ron Fest.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, they signed.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Round Fast Shout out Round Fast Man was around two Shadows.
He was lurking in the saddles like what these niggas
fuck up the spot? That was me because I ran
with Jos. I'm like, you know what, because I just
I didn't think about the business. Them niggas was so
good at business and nothing against us, But I didn't

(17:29):
look at Just like a great business. I didn't know
him for that. I just know if I go with Just,
i'mna have to fire Irish beat and ship about I
didn't think. I never looked at music as a business ever.
That's how I came a rap up like music. Like
I said, we've been rapping since we ten eleven years old.
So when I get my finally get my deal, I'm

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not like.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Oh, this is a business man, I got a new business.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm like, I want niggas to know I'm nice. That's
all I cared about.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
That was it. So I'm not thinking about business. Niggas like, yo, yo,
you better funk all that. That's it. Who got They
was like, just Blade want to sign me.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I'm thinking about the beats to him again, That's all
I cared about was the beats.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I ain't think about who's gonna do. I ain't even
have a manager. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
How was it like working with Just because Just did
have the fire beat? But I never you know, I
knew Just had and everything. Jake kept taking him. Jay
took showed me what she got. Jay took Yo.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I was.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I used to tell just how you how was he
hearing them? Though he took You know, I got that verse.
I tell the story because he took. He took it,
and he put a verse on it and never finished it,
and then he took kingdom.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Come. I'm like, yo, Kingdom, come with mine.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I'm gonna tell you this. Though you can't say Jay
took something. Just set you up there because just came in.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
How was he hearing it? That's what I said. You know,
I used to invite just to the bathroom all the time.
You know how the reason just started doing karate. This nigga,
I swear to God and they had to go back.
Nigga just was like, Saigon gonnavite me in the bad
room one time. I'm gonna hit with Yeah, I met

(19:08):
the nigga the elbow. You heard your son, nigga. I'm
looking online. Why is this nigga doing Brazilian jiu jitsu
out the blue?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Nigga from man Long, he ya, he don't want to
fight all of a sudden, this niggas doing niggas in
there like this.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
I'm like, what's that? Just I only seen that once?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
You know, you know, you get away him and Guru
was battling the DJ ship just burnt Goo was mad
as ship. They was gonna fight. I had to break
it up. I spoke about that old Goo ship. Yeah,
they gonna battle. That's why I told them I'm gonna
start versus DJ battles because every producer d.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
J, I DJ is a little bit. I'll be trying
to battle. Just you battle. Just he smoked you, he'd
be smoking nice, just as nice. I wanted to understand,
how nice on the turntable.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's how lucky yao, as Rockefeller not We wasn't lucky.
I was lucky now blessed and lucky because I'm when
chance meets right right, Yeah, I'm gonna chance meets opportunity
is luck. We can say that, right. You niggas came
across just blaze right, Kanye West, like, Yo, these are
anomaly niggas.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Right, Guru did that. That was all Guru, shout out
Laureal because Lorial.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Was the one who said to me, yeah you know
she managed all the engineer.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, she's the manage and she you.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Know, my engineer called out sick that day. She was like, yo,
I got an engineer from DC bleaking on deck right now.
He ready to work and I'm like he smoked weed.
She like, yeah, I had no ideas. Fucking young Guru
Guru walking the spot. You know what I'm saying, Guru
walking the spot become Yoda Rockefeller.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Who the fuck knew that was gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
So Goo one day me and Beans is sitting in
the studio with hip hoping them everybody, and Goo like, Yo,
y'all need beats.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I got some producers.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
They over at Daddy's house, which was Puff studio in
the city, and He's like, Yo, I'm gonna call him over.
Fucking just blazing Kanye West walk through the fucking door.
How we knew this was gonna happen? And you know
what happened? Hip Hop and Lenny s say the older
rent on everything in the studio. Sniper Robison was quiet.

(21:23):
Nigga never say nothing nothing like this. Yo signed that niggagas.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
It was never signing just Blaze. I was signing them
niggas much crazy. He was trying to get out the deal.
Just was like, you was never signing me. I was.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
You was signing Rock. They had rocked everything, Rock the world,
rocked the nation, Rock Block Rock every rock and roll,
like all kind of rocks.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's crazy hip hop.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yes, man, when the layers start getting peeled back, I
was like, I wasn't even mad because it put me
in that family.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know what's funny the nigga Randy Acker. Oh that's
my guy. Man. I fucking love Randy Acker. I talk.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I'm talking this nigga about five six months ago and
he goes like this because at this Timember I told
you I didn't have a manager. I'm floating around. So
this thing comes in the studio. He's like, who's your manager.
He's like, I'm like, I ain't got one. In baseline,
He's like, I'll manage you.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm like, okay, you're the lawyer. Look I'm like okay.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
My dumb ass was like, cool, I got a manager now.
So now Randy Actor is my manager. This is a
powerful guy. I used to work at Death Jam a
big boy. He's a nigga that Dame is yelling at
and on that infamous shit with you.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Don't Know Ship. So this guy is my manager.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
So I'm like, okay, I gotta nugget. I'm like, all right,
Randy Akers doing the ship managing me ship didn't go right.
Long story short, So I see him about four or
five months ago and then he was like, you know,
it's gone. I always felt like, man, I should have
let you do the deal with jay Z. I said,
what deal with jay Z? He said, jay wanted to

(23:03):
sign you the Rockefeller but you had already did the
Atlantic deal. He was like, he could have. I could
have really because it was because it was g and hoigh.
He could have really winged it. And I'm like, you
never told me this, damn was like.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
You had already did the Atlantic deal. I said, Nigga,
but so what You're still supposed to tell me this ship? Yo,
I'm gonna tell I could have been like, yo, I'm
gonna tell you this ship I'm going with jay Z.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Niggas I told my boy, my partner cheet right, I say, yo,
I got sign coming to the podcast or my daughter
or my son. You know what that nigga said That
Nigga said, man, Saigon, only thing he missed in his.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Career was a crew.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
He was like, if he was with a crew, he
would have wrapped circles around all these And that's crazy
that you just said because I didn't know, like I
always felt like, why this nigga not with us?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
We in the studio like Stephen, Yeah, for years, Like.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
That's crawling if I thought Jay I used to call
Jailer contry the nigga on the couch because he was
really homeless, so he would come through. Nah, he was
that as he was working. I didn't know who he was,
so just Blaze bought him.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Man. So I just see a nigga on the couch.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
So one day I'm recording, I swear to guard I'm
recording come on baby, and I'm doing the verses. So
he comes in the room and he starts telling me
to change something.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
So I'm looking at this all day. Who you telling me?
What you said?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
The nigga on the couch is telling Saigon how do
it fucking songs? I'm like, Yo, just your man be
getting a little ahead of hisself, like you're talking about
I'm like the nigga on the couch.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Bro. He came into the room telling me, Yo, I changed,
It'll be ill if I said this and that. I'm like,
who the fuck is this guy? I didn't know nothing.
It's crazy, bro.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
About three weeks later, exhibit A Oh Ship that changed everything.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I said, Yo, Just who's this? He said, But I'm
gonna say this is the nigga on the count. I said,
know that that's the project that never happened. Man, that
every everything wanted to happen. Just ja, that's yo, that's
what yo, bro insane? That did he sucked that up?

(25:25):
Did he suck that up? He went and sound he
wouldn't fuck with Diddy, so he threw the bag. No
he s on Diddy? Did he went? Yep? He came back.
He was on.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's the project that the fans. I feel like that
exhibit A was insane. But then see you're crazy. You
dropped your ship. Man, I never.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Forget it comes it's like gone, like whoa. And then
then then last night like.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
True last another connection. That's how we met.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, my nigga. That that song, my nigga.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Still racked to this day. I still have that ship
on my playlist today. No bullshit like you hit you
left Earth when you wrote that joint. You know it's funny.
I didn't even that was a joint. Was a joke,
and I was doing because I remember you know that
Jamaican song.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, funny, what cain't no money? Them spending.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
So one day the nigga E C E l P
through the beat on ELP did that beat and I'm like,
this ship is this ship got that?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
So I'm like, what if I today come in the studio?
Ship win.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
So if you listen to the rhyms, they just look
up sagon, where did you get that flow?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Better get it and get that though. You know the
kids that Norah and simplest Tic tac Toe because niggas
is dumb and that's ship that blow the nigga the
dumb ship. See let him know. And it worked, Yo,
worked crazy.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I'm gonna tell you what made me fucked up?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
That song though?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
What made me?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
That's the song that made me stop rapping. After that song,
I went to conscious. I went to gospel raps.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, I'm not mad at you.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Conscious.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
We need that, like, we need that kind of music
because these kids today is lost.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Man. It's nobody.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Like when we grew up, we had the public enemies,
we had the African ben bodies. We had like we said,
special lad the you had your gangster.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You get to your Kogi raps, you get to your
rock Kim.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Then you got a nigga like Big Daddy came telling
you get money and get bitches like, but he was
also saying young, gifting and black. He has a balance
even erase erase racism.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Like when that came out.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
He had on the cover Big Daddy came legend, super legend,
super Madonna and Namis cam ncket on.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
A super duper legend legend.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Can't even get two chicks from the project's neked on
the cover.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Now, Yo, you know every girls are only fans. You
ever look at only thing? How many regular bitches is doing.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Poorn because they try and get that bad.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
But what they you know, it's fucked up. You know,
it's fucked up about the whole bad thing. These are
financially illiterate people. So when they get the money, they
don't even know to do it.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Exactly invested it. Yeah, they're gonna go in debt.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
They're gonna go buy the guard crib they can't really
afford because right now there's an end thing where I
can master beat online and make money.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Wappens when that ship is played out.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
And like you said, and you don't bury bury yourself
under that ship, and now your spirit is going because
you degraded yourself. And now when you look in the mirror.
You really don't really see a person you really love exactly.
You know, you did something your grandmother would cry if she's.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Seen you doing that ship exactly. You know what I'm saying.
Your grandmother would cry.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
She was like, you're doing this for some money, some
money that you don't even know what to do with
it once you get it. They just c And that's
about designor ship. You know, it's so crazy. It's so
crazy to buy some ship from people who don't even
want tell you what I did.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I'm gonna tell you one day, I do some girls.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I took my phone and I downloaded the picture of
the nigga who made Gucci, Louis Baton. All these niggas
a people, they didn't even know what they look like.
I said, who's that? Which one is Gucci Louis Baitton.
They was like, I don't know, but you'll spend you'll
go out here and sell some pussy for a bag, though,
or you'll do any sucker dick to get one of
his bags.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
You don't even know what he looked like. That's how
lost you is.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
And that's why I say what you're doing with the
music the conscious rap, because we need it.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
We need it.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
You know, just told me. You just told me when
we was making the album. He said, you know you
sing'ing gonna sell, right? He said, you know you ain't
gonna make no money. You know what I'm saying. Keep going,
He said, son, you're gonna have to play the game
a little bit if you want to, if you want
to be out there and be a star and all
that ship. I said, nah, I'm dead press all over again.

(29:56):
See what dead press did? I want to do that?
He was like, I'm with it, and that's what I
or something like you with me. He's like, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
That's dope.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
And him being just Blaze who got all these platinum plaques.
Every time I would go to his crib, it's platinum, platinum,
ten millions.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
So usher like just just did it for real.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
But and he's willing to coume down hend with me
on some public enemy ship. And it's needed, bro, because
everybody today is gang gang. Everybody's spinning the black smoking
somebody and talking about it, riding on. It's like and
it's not reality, man, all of these doing not doing that.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I'm glad you're doing this because your voice is important.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yes, And I just put out an album too.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Where told you raised a generation?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Bleak used to I know you know that bitch just
had you on the wall with that the fit.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
That had to the fitting. Yo, this nigga was a
super sexymbol.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I hope they ain't just listen to me and they
followed me because I'm a I was a young kid
and we all grew up together. I made mistakes, that
dumb ship, but I correct. I never went out of bounds,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like the way you
always stay true to what we represent, how you represent
with pay in, with pay pay on. You know what
I'm saying, Like your wife, That's what I'm saying. Like
I'm trying to show these it's okay to be a

(31:11):
family man. Don't be a bullshit father, like you know
what I'm saying. Like people look at me and be like, damn, bleep,
you a great dad, And it's like I never had
a father.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
So I'm doing the things I dreamed someone would do
for me.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
You know, I got a whole show on on to
be called baby daddy duty, right, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's called baby Daddy Dudy.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Go check it. Out. Damn, I gotta check that out.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
But what it is is my kids, me and me
and my co parents. I did loving hip hop with
a girl. I forgot there was cameras.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
This time.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I had my she like you know, I couldn't walk
down the street for two years.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, every black woman in America was mad at you.
You the nigga that threw that bag. The nigga in
through the bag. Look, I'm like, yo, they was chasing
me today. I'm like, yo, yo, you.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Was wild, Yo. You consequence all y'all was wild on
the show. Yeo.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Man, Yeah, I was like getting me off of this ship.
I tried to quit in the minute. Recalled me to
do that ship. I told him I only doing it
if I get a fake family.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
They can't have. I gotta go. I need to rent
a fans.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I gotta know it's acting. My name can't even be blink.
I gotta I gotta be Rob Johnson. Rob gotta rent
the family and get me to do it. You can't
even likeness, yo, my nigga. That love and hip hop
ship is what made you even think about doing it?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like you was like, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I was fucked up. I was I needed the bread
because you know what I'm saying. I needed the bread
like a lot of things. I like, I battled Voto.
I never battled a nigga in my life. Niggas called
me and was like, son, we got twenty five thousand.
I said, Yo. The battles on Nigga practiced two times,
went in there. Nigga was doing tricks with the mic,

(33:06):
Nigga through the mic and the it.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Was just.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I was like, I'm in trouble, y'all in trouble nigga.
Nigga had the whole team, yo.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Son. I was like, I didn't prepare like this. Niggas
never mat like fuck that nigga smuiga.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, I'm like you, but I'm behind that's my man
behind the scenes. I'm like, yo, Nigga, I need twenty
five thousand dollars. Yeah, because like they ain't be saying,
I'm a nigga to try to fund it.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Like I said, I gotta.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I do business with people, but they always own all
the equity. And I'm like, nah, if your niggas want
to come in and contribute, cool, If y'all want to
come in for a little bit, give me a little bit.
Of money, but you ain't gonna come take control and
control the whole control. They put the money a little bit.
It's happening to me twice where niggas took my ideas

(34:05):
and was like, this is how they trick you. In
the beginning, you're like, oh, they funding it too, and
I own all this equity, and then they let it
rock for a little bit. Then they be like, yo,
you know, it's kind of weird that you got all
this equity and you need all our resources for this
shit to run.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
And so they could be like, either we're.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Gonna pull our resources back or we're gonna take the equity,
and then you you in a position where you're like, damn,
I could pay with my own money, but I only
got a few hundred thousand. These niggas got millions, so
the I'm gonna end up losing everything I got trying
to keep this shit afloat.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
So you boxed in.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
So you got to be like, damn, you try to
negotiate with these niggas, but your lawyers can't even fuck
with their lawyers because the niggas got the money.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So you end up owning ten percent of some shit
you thought about it yeah, and they on ninety percent
of it.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
That shit happened with hip hop My way. That's why
now I got one hundred percent of it back. I'm like,
it's music my way and rebranding it, and now I
got some other blue blue preventions. Adventure capitalists came man
and like we're going to back you. Just no, Man,
keep dealing with you, like we know, we understand what
you want to own. I want everything to be black.
We need we need to own some ship, and we
need to teach our kids. I'm talking to my people

(35:12):
about the difference between a neighborhood and a community. I'm like,
there's no such thing as a black community.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
That's right, where is it?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Because you can't have a community of niggas. A unit
of niggas, ain't no unity. We're not recycling our dollars
amongst you.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Not a community.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
It's not a community. You know who's got a community.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
You see how they blocked off the streets for the
for for for the lbgts today and.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
We never got that African American parade. They're not blocking
they like, come on, get these. In fact, the niggas
shut down the city. They shut down whole Manhattan sh
was looking like San Francisco said, this is a different
kind of community.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
But my whole thing is a community.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
The community is to gather, to gather. The changed.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, they changed about it because that's a we didn't
even get one law pass. Yeah, we're not unify. We're
the most dominant race. Ununified.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Is insane that if we came together for one problem.
Look what they happened with Target. Motherfucker started boycotting. Stock
started going like.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
This, like and that wasn't even a real popular thing,
like it was some everybody knew that because I was
going to Target. I didn't even know it was a boycott. Yeah,
they tell you, yo, what you're doing, And Yo, that
happened to me.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I went Somebody saw me like, YO, believe you wilding
that happened to me. Joy kind that right now. I'm like,
you win, That's what I said, And they showed me
the clip. I don't imagine if there was unity.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Imagine if there was unity with ship like that, they
would have to fuck with us. There'd be Target community
centers in the ghetto.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Bro, what we want?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
We want computers in our school, free computers, we want this,
we want that, or we doing this ship again every
time y'all don't do what the fuck we say.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Your niggas is going through it. We don't get one
law pass. We will, Yeah, we're not n that little
bag off.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
The one perce should make me want to cry sometime,
like look, I fucked up, weir is, but the niggas
to get behind niggas dissing each other. Speaking of which,
like I'm all over the internet, I do these.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I do all of these. Fucking I don't do a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Of interviews, but when I do them, like the way
be talking to some informative ship, They're not gonna go
clickbait that. But if I said, Yo, fucked your button
or fuck this nigga, fuck that, that's gonna beat the
ship to get all the views. And being that I knowing,
did I know that, I make sure I do it now.
I used to do it in a breakfast club. They've
teld me to be like we finished, I'd be like, nah,

(37:34):
fuck two chains, Rick Ross and then after until you
be for niggas who think that they don't like me. Now,
because I swear to God watch my my breakfast club interviews.
At the end, I'd be like, hold on all that

(37:54):
ship was good, yo, in fact fabulous. Fuck you just
so I can get some click bait word up.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
But you're like.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
That the game has turned that the way everybody trying
to go viral, Like I love what you did with
the you know, Rest of Peace, Prodigy, you know, the
whole mab deep thing. Y'all had your drama, but now
you ain't have it working together, you know what I mean?
Making ship happen like that, that's dope. That's what the
community needs. I want to show people because even to
this day, if I put up a poster, there's gonna
be somebody like, fuck you nigga.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Probably bomb the nigga. We sucked you up, like you
know this day and this was like twenty years ago.
Sands is crazy and they got dieholds and they feel
like they in the middle of the wall with It's
crazy iconic.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
They are iconic rap boots. So it ain't like I
had beef with the Dwellers.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, hell, now they gonna come out out there. We
just soft them. It's a balance. Now you gotta balance, No,
but you make trouble brothers.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's like it ain't like you beefing with the Trumble
niggas from te Trouble Neck Brothers over hip hop nigga.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
You are his story and trouble neck brother yo. I
catch that the first time you said it. You said
it again, yo Chi. You're gonna bring back little little
mileak and and Jamal them all.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Niggas was fired. The niggas was fired like the youngsters too.
Youngsters niggas some play like you. I'm like, this is
my camp, little nigga like this you too, nigga. I
was like this nigga got this niggas When I heard that,
I remember getting that preser that president I was in

(39:47):
jail and that coming the age came on. I'm like,
damn this nigga that was I rewinded that ship about
a million times, like this is perfect, bro.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Like that nigga, it was so visual. You've seen that
whole story.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Like a g I rolle with you for free, like
like me, I don't roll with that nigga for free time.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
That was genius who invented that.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
You invented the Dinner versus jay Z with that line
of money, with that line to the money, I rode
with you for free.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I was captain.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I should have now G but listen, that was only
a g back him been like five hundred grand. G
back then was a lot for a little bit. It
wasn't five hundred grand. But think about no then, old
jay Z is five hundred grand.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
You can't put a thousand dollars with.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
That from from nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
It ain't It ain't thousand. I'm about in nineteen ninety four.
It's about five to ten ten thousand, right, Yeah, a
thousand dollars back. You didn't ride with that nigga for free.
You would have still been in mass I and Chardine's
and yeah, you were still You took that. You took
you took the dinner. I took it to the dinner
in that song. And it worked out the word out perfectly.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Because not everybody used their advice from the dead, because
a lot of people was at the dinner exactly. I
used the advice. Jay always gave me advice. Jay always
dropped jews on yo bro all the time. Always he
always gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
But you went from the question the havoc situation so.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Half so, so I wanted to show people like black
Unity man and because have it, because we had that
infamous no Punit but we had a no talk.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Damn niggas took everywhere.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I'm like notorious, big, famous, small ski.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah. The major problem, the bad that's the part.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
But the street like spell into the street and we
both got street niggas on both sides. And now I
got to the point where it's like, all right, fuck
that rap shit when I see Son is up like
like real and then it start getting out of hand.
So Prince who's his cousin. I talked to Prince the
personal how I give it up like we would go here.
I'm willing to go there. I'm willing to go with

(42:02):
the guns and.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
We don't need that though, but we don't want guns.
I know, we don't want that sign. I got to
bang out like to too recently. No, man, no, we're
cutting the bang out out stick Havoc black.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Bout shout out, bag out the producer. That's what we're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Bout.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
That's the fact though, yea, yeah, take me up. Yeah
that's the fact. But you have you gotta tell Havoc
I wanted to do that.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
We didn't.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
We ain't got no beef no more, and I need
some beats. I can't get a beat from Queensbridge. I
ain't got a classic.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
No, you don't have it. Make some crazy ship. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
You ain't got no beef.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
You may have it. No one time one half half
had some beats on your pocket. Put the word is
I do that?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
That's my I told you he came to pick me
up in a Lamborghini yours. I'm like, I know you
got classics. Nigga five nigga listen.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Mansing U Shook ones might go platinum every year. Shug
Ones might go platinum every year for the next fifty days.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Like the eight mile theme too. Imagine how much I
know Eminem. I know Eminem kind of mad. He never
put that song on his album. Which one that one
man with that you lose it? Yeah, the eight Male song,
Lose It. That's Eminem's biggest.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Record on the soundtrack in this movie. Soundtrack don't hit like.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Soundtrack to your movie, to your movie that starts you
and you did the theme song. Soundtracks don't hit like albums.
Eminem don't need a dollar though, No, but Eminem turned
down towards You know how much money Eminem could go
get on the road every year if he wanted to
you can go get three hundred million dollars a year,
that Nigga would sell out everywhere the world.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
He just don't like he didn't want to go. But
I heard somebody said, because.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I told every year, Ja's a super mossy. Hold on,
they going out and they paying me to rap again?
No't doing no more toys.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
He just on tour. Watch it be now.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
The last they did, what was not the last tour
they did was on a Run Want to Run two
that was like seven years ago. Oh yeah, Jane performing
like seven eight years like he cleaning up, she cleaning up.
But I heard somewhere right. I told the people, I said, y'all,
I got my brother's Sightgnna coming to rock solid.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
What y'all like? What? What type of shit niggas want
to know? They said, you did an album in twenty
four hours.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, I started that whole ship with static selected. He
did it what me and him did it first. You
know what's funny is that we started the whole thing
a trend behind it. And it's funny because I went
over there to do one song for for Grand Theft Auto.
So he was doing this Grand Theft Auto soundtrack. He
was like y'all want you to this song. So we
did a song called Spit and she was fire like.
So he like, yo, I got beats, you got rhyns.

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I'm like, I got around to day. This is back
when I was a hungry rapper. So he threw another
beat on, did another song, He threw another beat on,
did another song, threw another beat on, dit another song?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
So he like, yo, we got four five songs.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
He was like, yo, you down to keep going it
could pulled out a big ass gallon of duce.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
We only it's.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Right, and we got the gallons out. Make sure you
cop it, make sure you get that it's right. So
he pulls out the yak and I'm like, I'm with it,
and we did it. I'm like, he like seven more songs,
I mean three four more songs.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
We got an album sign.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So I was like fuck it and we kept going
like it took us about twenty seven hours. And not
just the fact that because anybody could do it, it's
the quality of it that I think makes it. Because
anybody never heard that album. You go listen to that shit,
you'd be.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Like, no way, this is twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
It ain't like anybody could just go in rap. But
the shit is sound like some shit. Sound like some
shit I would have put out if I was in
the studio for months. You know the story, the story
never told, greatest story never told.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
The greatest story never told. Man, That's one of my
favorite projects from you, not because I'm on it, but
because I know it was a long waited project process
where you was trying to put it out for a
minute and then they finally got done. So what was
that like to finally get that.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I was on Atlantic Records for seven years without putting
out one. I put out one song called Pain in
My Life with Trey song That's My Ship. That's the
only song I ever pressed.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
My shit.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
It's so funny because that song let me know where
we was going in different directions. But the thing was
they didn't want to let me go nowhere else, so
they would give me a living stipend. They would pay me,
but they wouldn't really put I'm in the just on
baseline at the time. But every time we would turn
in the record, it would be some we did clack

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with Faith Evans, which is talking about put the guns down.
We put we did gotta believe it were just bladed
what you're saying, No, no, stop being believing yourself for
find your inner you like they was like, and one day,
Julie Greenwall, she just blatantly told me you could bust
your artistic nut on the rest of the albums.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I need my.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Record I need my records. This'n for radio for this.
Like so I'm like, obviously me and y'all got a
different vision.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
So I mean, y'all can let me go or And
they was like, no, we don't want to, We don't
we don't want to drop you. But because I still
had energy from entourage, from TV from I was hosting
Rap City, I was doing You're going too far?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
All right, stick with this the greatest story that was
told let me get into that. We gotta lead into
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I was still but that was one of the reasons
why they didn't want to push my music. But they
didn't want somebody else forget you because you was winning. Yeah,
I was still winning without them, So they're like, Noah,
he obviously got star potentials.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
They putting them on TV and all this ship.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
So Auntage came up in the middle of making the
album and the delay ship how to.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Have that happen.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I'm telling them, niggas, let's drop this because me and
Just was happy with the album. Nigga and I'm like,
if this is getting past just is hip hop is?
Geeve Roberson is to where everybody's happy, and then when
we get to the top, y'all not happy.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
I'm like, y'all don't know what.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Y'all talking about. These niggas know what they talk about,
the best and offs in the world.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Like these niggas know they know music.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
You had the top top dogs be High. I used
to play shit for Be High and be like, yo,
be how to sound Yeah, use that.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Niggas can't even get be out on the nobody manager.
I bought be Hot to China. I know you told
me man that first rate.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
He told me Jay never be At the time when
we went, he said, ain't never been in China.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Been here.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
I was one of the first rappers to ever perform
in China.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Crazy. I went out there.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
They had bit my face on sides and buildings. I'm like,
do they normally a mixed tape?

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Underground rapping? Like the niggas got it? They love hip hop.
I'm like, baby, they got me mixed the funk up there.
They love him, believe it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I was like, only ship for that's dope, Yo, son,
I love that you said you have be high hype.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Man, I would have paid. I got the video. Matter
of fact, I'll send you the clip, yo.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Beg you to clip the nigga beg. I'm like it
got to the point I was like, y just.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
You know the words nigga, just dance Chinese niggas.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Niggas don't understand niggas anywhere, Like I just can't. I'm
bigg do what the funk I wanted to do. Like
he just wanted to go to the Wall of China
like we went to He like he definitely on all
of that, he wanted to go see the wall. Yeah,
he wants to be so mad at me on to

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specially he left me out there. He left me stupid,
he left me, or you want to do it shit
in the room and smoke weed.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
The niggas be going outside and see all this fancy stuff.
We're from the projects, right like man a dog, I
go to see this ship later. Now be out there
with my wife and be like talking about facts.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Well, and we got to teach our kids that one
thing I don't like about that when people try to
blame the youth and hip hop for being for making
it quote unquote.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Whatever it is, undesirable or whatever.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
You can't blame the age because like I, like you said,
you came in fifteen, we're talking.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
About n w A.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I got into this big argument with dudes because I'm like,
n w A didn't create gangster rap. I interviewed ice Cube,
right and I got toe and to really ask him.
He said, what we did we called a reality rap
because we was just talking about going around us. You
know what I'm saying, The police brutality, the ship like that,
because South central l A. Was fucked up, and Compton
and all that shit was fucked up, and nobody on

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the news.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
We didn't know.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
We didn't hear about coping until them niggas came out.
We didn't even know what Compton was until niggas came out.
So they was like, y'all didn't know what was going on,
But we was out here being fucked up, being a
rass cracked, like, oh, the niggah what's his name from
man Freeway ricked and flooded the whole West coast with
crack with drugs and shit like that police was raising
our cribs with the barricade. They was fucking them niggas up.

(51:37):
And so they was like, we was rapping about that.
The gangster rap came when see Dolores Tucker and them,
remember they used to be stopping on the CDs, and
they were like, this is gangster rap. So they gave
it that that title. And I'm trying to explain this
ship to these kids. I'm like, they didn't call that
gangster rap. They didn't even say, oh, this is gangster rap.

(51:58):
They were saying ice cube.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
First.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
They was like, what about the song gangster Gangster?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I said, first of all, the nigga was sixteen, seventeen
years old and his first line.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Is here's a little story.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It never should have been let out the penitentiary. He
was living with mom and dad when you writing these rhyms.
So we understood it was creative writing. We didn't believe
that they made that whole CB full movie after the niggas.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
We didn't believe that ship. It was just fun. It
was cool. Oh, these niggas are rapping like it's like
cartoons almost.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
We didn't believe special let had a frog or dog
with a solid gold Bonega.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
He didn't own a treaty with the heat even owned
the percent. Nobody believed that. Yeah, we didn't go home.
Who just sounded fly fly it wash got a treaty with.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Because nigga said getting out with every day. Seventy four
scooters kind of founder on the schooters. Got seventy four
yo seventy four houndred schooters. And we were spending that
shit because it was just some flop. It was a
kid writing rhymes. He didn't bring in floss materialism because

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we knew it wasn't real.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
The niggas came.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Later, it was like, real, this is real. This gotta
be real. Worship money. If you ain't got no money,
you ain't ship. And we looked at it now like
oh this is what you gotta be. You got any money?

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, to day, you gotta catch your body on camera.
Now you got your body. You ain't got nobody, Yeah,
you ain't talking about You ain't certified, You aren't outside
smoking on nobody. You ain't you ain't roll, No, you
ain't nobody, nobody ain't out. Shut up. Don't even go
to the studio. If you ain't got a body.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
That's even sound like you ain't rand at you how
bodies you got like your record staned you got free?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
All right, come on, let's see what you said, Like
all right, just ship, you got three bodies?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I got you ship fucked up?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
It's not it. We rap get away from that sh
That's what's so crazy that I raped to get away
from the bulls that changed my family.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I had him, I fucked with Young with him too,
and had him up in my office and we're interviewing them,
and I'm looking at because I know what he's into.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yeah, yeah, this kids. Them niggas out there getting.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Certain kid in the world though, but listen, certain people,
they didn't.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Choose this lifestyle. These is the people were talking about that.
Wake up, you really ain't you really ain't about that ship.
You just trying to get involved because you want to
be a rappers like niggas like Young ain't ace in them.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Bro, They in that ship born in the you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
That's like I think in Compton, there is no get
away from it. You got to try to use this
lane to get away from.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
That, get away from but that born this is when
they double back.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
I'm like it's the point of doubling back to that
like this this is your stick it out. Yeah, that's
why when I see niggas die, like like the death,
that really hurt me. I don't know one of this
niggas songs, but I just liked the nigga just about
seeing him on the internet and I was like, I
like this nigga. I don't know none of his music
was the young Dolph nigga, And when he died, that
shit hurt me. Like I in front me too, I'm like, look,

(55:20):
look out far the nigga made it.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
You know what it was with Dolf.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
He he epitomized everybody from the bottom exactly, and he
talked about it in a way that we all wish
we could talk about his voice and that sad bron'
I'm getting like I know his music and then you know,
I've had a few conversations with him in the DM
before he passed.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
God Rest, and he was that guy and I'm glad
I got a.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Chance to tell him, like yo, he was definitely I
really fucked with him.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Like he's that guy. Bro. That one hurt. I ain't
gonna front that one.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And King Vaughan, it felt like I knew both of them,
like you know what I mean, And it felt like
they were who they were, Like it's esecially the King
Vaughn ship, you know what I mean, Like we from
the trenches were trying to find our way out, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
And these kids right now, and Dirk is in that
ship now too, and you look at what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
But this guy trajectory was he was on his way.
He was already on his way.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
He was dead.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
He was dead, he was I'm talking about he was
right now, right now. If if Dirk wasn't in jail
and this Kendrick and Drake shit would have still happened,
Dirk might have been the top guy one hundred on
his way there.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
He's there.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Like, but that's why I say about people born into
this ship. So like certain people, no matter what you do,
it's just attached to you.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
It's going to follow you. It's hard to get away.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
But the kids that that's not We all are like
from that environment that you that you carved your life
out to live comfortably.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
You know a lot of these kids didn't even get
that opportunity. They don't even know what living comfortably you
said something off camera earlier about a lot of people
you grew up with, and you know what I'm saying,
that didn't even see their life going past twenty one.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I say, that's what I say. They didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I didn't prepare for life after twenty one because we
didn't think we was gonna make it.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I'm gonna tell you how lucky I got.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I did.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I just seven years in my teenage years in jail,
and I happened to start rapping, but I always raped.
But I happened to get an opportunity to meet some
people that was able to help me, and I took
that opportunity and I made the most of it. So
a lot of people that's what I call up on chance,
meets the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
But I didn't meet Joy and Ben and Maddie.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Seeing all him and Mark Ronson, I would have went
right back to my mother wherever she was living in
Newburgh or whatever, because that's why niggas don't know where
you from, where you're from. Because I was one of
them kids, it was like everywhere, move around, auntie take
My mother got non sisters, so she's a teenage mother,
so it's like, who could take Brian.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Who could take Brian? Brian?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
So I take him for a while, didn't somebody gotta
come get Brian. I hold him down for a while.
I never went to the same school more than one year,
bro dam and then I went in jail. So it
was like I'm bouncing around my whole life. So that's
why the ship I called I used to call my
ship abandonation because I used to always feel like I
was abandoned.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Like, so I started this whole ship.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
We got a bunch of niggas who grew up like me,
like nobody loved them. It was like, let's do this
abandonation ship like, and we started a thing with it
in prison, like fuck it, We're gonna just depend on ourselves.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And when I got out.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
The whole point of it is I was lucky enough
to get in the rap game, but I never planned
my life further than.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Twenty one or so we all didn't that. I have
no clue.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I don't own ship, I don't own a house, I
don't own nothing. And I've ran through probably millions of.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Dollars probably usually Yeah, I made it.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah, I made a lot of money doing this ship
touring and deals and all kinds of publishing deals, and
I don't own ship to show for it, because I didn't.
I didn't know. Nobody was there to tell me, Yo,
bro buy something, bro, do something with your money. You've
been in at the same place paying three thousand dollars
a month for fucking six years.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
You could have fucking been investing in.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
You could have owned a condo or I ain't had
that guy in my ear. And by the time I
figured it out, it was like, I'm so comfortable doing
this ship already.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Fucking you know what I'm saying. Sometimes change change, sometimes
change course more of you right when you used to
say you stick to it because I didn't plan it,
Like even the way I had my children, Like I
had three babies by three women.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I never got a chance to know these women. I
never got a chance. I had to learn them while
I had to learn what.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
You came home from jails. I ain't mad at you
making up a long he was sonic in there. He's
running through shiit collective rings. God, let's get those now.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
What it was is like I didn't I once I
had to hit my thirties and ship, I'm like, if
love is so elusive, and because I ain't have my
first kid.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
That was thirty three.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
So I was like, if love is so elusive and
I'm waiting for love to do it the right way,
like find a wife. Because I don't trust these bitches.
I don't like the way they know not we trust you.
I mean, you know, you know how say women. I
didn't say women. A bitch knows, bitch knows she is women.
A woman is different. I said, I didn't trust the bitches.
In this industry. You meet a lot of bitches. Bit

(01:00:20):
you be talking to you and Blea could walk.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
By and like it go like that's that easy, and
it's crazy. And you've been talking this for an hour
and a half and you're thinking you're getting somewhere. She's like,
I'm starting to like this bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
This nigga walk by Memphis Bakers in the house. I'll
be right back piano. You're like, oh word, just like
get they give it up crazy. This industry is bad.
So the nigga goes My man Bono's with me, the
nigga who runs around with Bennie the Bush all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
That's my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
So Bono like being right hand man Bono, that's my
that's my my little man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
So Bono with me, so jay z he introduced it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Bono was just hacked.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
We all hacked whenever a nigga get around hole and
trying to act like they even when niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Trying to act right. You see a nigga, you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Seeing niggas like fidgety and ship like, look, nigg you
got you too right now niggas his presence is different.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
So my man Bono like, Yo, good, that meets you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Yo Jay? What's up? Man? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So I swear to God, probably three years past the
nigga we see, I'm with Bono again. Then we see
j the nigga J like Bono right, oh ship he yo, Yeah,
that nigga was hYP I'm like, but I'm like, how
the fuck did you remember this? All the people you
see you met this nigga for two seconds and remember

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this nigga's name.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
That was some different.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Memory was some different ships. I said, yo, nah. Even
Bono was like, how you want to introduced to say
like Bono say, yo, how the you know me?

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Nigga? I like, nigga, we got a song, nigga, that's
a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Ain't even say your I thought that sometimes you'd be
like remember.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Me, yo.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
That's how it was the first time I met Big
Daddy came when he's like, Yo, what's up? Bleak like
no one you know nigga?

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You know my name? Like phone?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I hung up on now wild times one time, no way,
he kept hanging I thought it was an imposta.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yo, chill nigga like Nas. I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Stopped playing on my phone, hung up for this nigga
a thousand times that he got to the point where
I'm like, let me listen to this nigga keep talking
because Na's got that distinctive rap voice. I'm gonna let
this nigga talk now, I'm gonna keep I'm gonna stop
banging on him because I kept hanging up on a nigga.
I'm like, nas who like now now from whar he's

(01:02:53):
like nigga Nas, I'm like Nas, Nas, Nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Was with serious back in the day. These kids don't
know nothing about getting a prank call.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Nigga did me filthy on a print call?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Bro, Nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Nigga prank called me like he was ice tea yo
and was and was taping it. Son and then put
it on the internet. I was like, I should beat
your ass for that. I know we're trying to keep
it clean. The nigga had me talking about your son
the biggest feet, Like, yeah, play boy, nigga, he pranking me,
and I'm saying he got he acting me like he's

(01:03:31):
inviting me to a podcast. He like, you want to
do my podcast? And it's iced tea. I got the
new park. So I'm sitting here like I'll be honored.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
My nigga a brank My nigga didn't come out with
that on it and found out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, nigga from L E S Two. I'm like, yo, son, Yo,
why would you do that? Like it's funny. I'm like,
ship was man funny though son tell on this niggaw
I grew up listening to him exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
And it's a fake. Thank god. I never got prank called,
but that ship was hold on. I got it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
For real in the background, Yo, how the hell did
you get into the tech world?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
So that's major. Brought out to my man, Mike Man,
that's major. So yeah, what it is is, once I
started realizing my career wasn't gonna go anywhere with the record,
company and the way record companies work. Because I'm like,
I want to do ship my way. I'm like, it's
a big world out there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
And shout out to Joe Button because Joe Button was
the first nigga they was calling an Internet rapper, right,
He's like, he's just an Internet wrapper. But what he
was ahead of the game. He understood everything was going
to the internet really live stream a They had Joe
Button TV where he had four ums where all his
fans could going in and talk about him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
So he was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Cultivating his fan base online before we even understood the
Internet as a fact.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
So niggas is picking on him like the Internet wrapping
ass nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Because he was like, watch everybody gonna want to be
We still care about b T being on MTV and
he he was on line. He was learning the algorithms.
We don't even know what the algorithm exactly. So shout
out to Joe. You're pioneering this ship that even in
the podcast. Yeah, so early on this ship his props

(01:05:21):
Somebody's son, don't we got a funny kind of friendship
because people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Think y'all got beep. That's why somebody hit me. It
was like, because I said, Yo, I have the side on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
The show that whole ship at courtse I course, I seafood,
I did that whole ship at course, I with backfield.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
I want to battle.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I want to battle the sun. The Sun said this.
People think I'm starting with all that whole ship. The
Sun said.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
He rapped. Now. They said, how you start rapping?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
He said, because when I was young, my father was
battling the nigga and the nigga was through.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
My name out there. So I went and got my pen.
And now the son won the battle. So I'm waiting
for the record. Damn. So I'm like, I wonder even trade.
But got for me because we might have to get
it on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
He can't battle his son, but he said he got
this mad smoke for me in this pen. Yeah, but
you got to send one of your daughters or something,
or you write some bars for one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Twitter. That nigga got a whole go tea nigga, So
what te go Tea can get it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
He smoked by foot, Yo, chill hold on, Paul, Nigga
said he got to go tea.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
You get the bars he get. He got all your
ship connect, nigga, his ship connect.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Right here you're grown up. Your little niggas had to cut.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I don't want your ship connect. He's gonna try to
get now. He went on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
He went on the whole Big podcast and was like, Yo,
I can't wait to get I couldn't wait to get
that this nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
No, I'm waiting for the missile. So I set it
on him. I'm like, nigga, come on, come on, I'm
waiting for the missiles. Sondry Generational Beef about the d
Generation to Beef niggas said the center. I mean he smoke, yo,
be like y'all finished the draw for I told you.

(01:07:13):
I told you y'all was gonna cook this nigga. Yo,
that'd be crazy thought. I'm telling you. I tweeted round.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
I'm like, yo, I got coming on the show. What
questions y'all got for the homie? Leave the drama out?

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Nigga said, Nah, bleak, you can't be one of the
pussy ass Podcasts's that nigga about the drama?

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I said, Yo, he already spoke about it. Fuck You
wanted to come up and said we got on wrestled.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
No, I ain't know what it is. Trade where your
record at? Man, waiting for it. We waiting for that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I ain't even asked, so you know you said it,
he said, Yo, I said, when I get with my
ship connect.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yo, Nah, then you gotta go for it. You gotta
tag somebody's son in. Let's go. Let We're gonna borrow
punk Son, punk Son, nice him feeling for you. Punk
Son got that shmoke.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Punk song like forty one man.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yo, you talking about Nigga ship connect age Nigga. I'm
handling myself. My son ain't got no bars.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Mom, don't thinking Kanye and I don't know. He fashioned over,
he fly. Nigga won't battle my son, don't get flat.
He don't want that smoke. Little Nigga coming smoke everybody
with the drift. But he ain't got no bars. He
ain't got no bars here. I'm glad he ain't want
to pick up bars. But on the tech, on the
tech level, I met, I met some good people and

(01:08:41):
like I said, they love our ideas. The idea were
the gas and the engine at this whole all the time.
But without our ideas, none of this ship a rock
like Nope. Think about how many Mercedes Benzes timbling boots
fucking Nike sneakers. The hip hop culture has old without
a nigga making a dollar. How much have free advertisement

(01:09:03):
we gave them by rapping about this ship right all
these years, all these years and talking about drinking Henny whatever.
Whatever we say is cool because cool, and they benefit
from it. We don't benefit from it. That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
We all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
It doesn't suck the money out of our community.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
You know what I'm saying. They don't come fuck with us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Like I said, we should have timbling libraries all over
every ghetto.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
This should be never.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
In New York. Huh. We need to state right in
the hood too, writing the project, every project on Wall
Street next to the bull. That's what wanted the bull.
Matter of fact, nigga niggast hard work on the bull.

(01:09:53):
Nah eat that ass.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
You know when I knew it was getting crazy when
they started coloring construction boots. That's not like they just
making mo. They don't care who does construction in blue boots.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Joe Ship, Niggas got white. This is not for construction
at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
This is a fashion that's right and they like and
they two hundred dolls a pair and one little scratch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Nigga need news over so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Dollars. Yeah, think about how many thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Of dollars niggas spent on teams over the course of
their life.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Bro, I already know I don't waste about good twenty
thirty easy on TEMs. Probably more more than that for
my more than that, more than that. They got to
bring back the ass dots man. Yes, they need to know.
I need one thing. What was my dream I always
wanted to do. I always wanted to make a sneaker,

(01:10:44):
Like always, I was always in a sneakers man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I didn't like you see on the Jordans. Now, bro,
think about it. I told niggas Jordans two weeks before
they came.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Out and make a sneaker.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Why didn't you make a sneaker?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Nobody never hollered. I ain't had no plug. I'm gonna
go Hiller at Emma.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Rita and behind behind Man, what the fuck man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
You gonna have me in Africa? Make it sneaker. That's
a good idea. I know we need to do it
like you in Africa. Why you're not to wear in
Africa right now? Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
In Africa, he's still in the Memphy bleak from the
night Like they don't understand the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Yeah, but then they don't. They think I got no
booking agent. You know, I never had a booking agent
my whole career. Wow, just winging the nigga got platinum record.
I don't understand. I'm about to beat this nigga book.
If you tell me I could get a cut off,
I'll get a whole to show, get a whole. They
were on Mimmy Nigga shot playing Green Dan Green were

(01:11:39):
bringing bleeding gring my man. I don't Dad Green, that's
nigga book. You a whole. Clockwork shout out clock work,
clockwork the first dn Yo. I'm living in Florida. Out
there during the day when they walking around, he headline
he got platinum's listen, that's crazy. That's my dog, bro.

(01:12:02):
We'll make some money from overseas. Talk makes some money.
Let's go. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
We're doing this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
That's my dog. World Clockwork, I just dropped it apart
in three D. Is that right now? Wow? And yeah, World,
how that's going man? Shout out buck Wow, Tech nine
and Travis so Gwinn Because then they you said you
did a deal with technw Yo Tech nine. I never
met him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I listened to his music and I've always been a
fan that the way he took over the independent game
should be studied.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Study all these artists that say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
You independent and want to do it independent. That should
be the face of independence, because I don't know any
other independent artists that made.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
It to fucking the Forbes big Like this is crazy
to see.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Yo, when you when you go see how much merch
they got and organized they are. That nigga will show
you a tape from every show he ever did in
his life, and I was crazy. He'll tell you the
date with this. It's to the point where said respect.
It's so meticulous and it's Travis Silgwyn. It's not just him,
and it's him and his partner together. They got they

(01:13:16):
run the ship such a tight ship.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
That's why I'm like, damn, doing a deal with these
dudes just kind of I'm more of a winged type
of nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Y'all feel good, throw it out. They organized, don't stick
to a date. I'm used to changing dates eighteen times
like them. Niggas get mad at me, like, yo, son,
you got to stick to your fucking dates, bro, say
one time, and even a live nigga like April thirteenth,
nigga is on and they get back to them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
That's the date you said it like this is too
It's dope, but it's little too pressure. Got to make
got to make that deadline. It's been working, you know.
So now me and Buck why putting out an album.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Shout to Buck Wow Man another one who you can
go to for quality, quality the hip hop music. Like
people who care about the music because we're losing people
stopping not They came about the theatrics and everything else.
Niggas a niggas outfit. A nigga like you had them gimmicks.
We used to call that gimmicks.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
That's what it is. It's still a gimmick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
It was a whack nigga kame with nothing, you know,
because I like kaome the po It was the poker
that it worked for a little minute. I used to
go to school with Poka Do. I never caught the
poker son for like a week. I had a Poka
Dot suit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Nigga here that ass that's why we wore called Kanan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Calls them bullshit skins. Fants with the they had like
a little logo on it. But the car skidding ship
looked like jonas. Remember skins. Them ships had a little
run mo. Remember the cavalrou ship. Niggas a wear a
shoe with the little the piece.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
And the We had British walkerswaion shirts, niggas elast like.
We was rocking all culture.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
It was all black people taking ship that wasn't really
ours and making it cool, making it cool. That's what
I'm making it cool. Took car heart, this ship was
for workers, and made that ship fresh on the block,
heavy jeans hands. And that ship was for niggas whose
sail boat. We took that ship and made it a
fashion statement to every nigga wanted a helly Hanson and

(01:15:30):
ship wasn't helly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Nigga said, what what the hell that ship? That's I
fucked with some of the young boys I here making
that noise right now. Man, we have We had artists
like that too, because Humpty to me was fire yo,
and that wouldn't digital. Underground was super dope, bro, super

(01:15:53):
black Humpty hump man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
You know it was dope on the low.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Arrested development, arrested development. They wouldn't he with kidding me,
think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
They were spitting some real That's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
When you said when you said, yo, they told you
the music wasn't so that's not right. Wouldn't be no
arrest my example want to be black eyed peas, know
what I mean? All of these groups.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
What happened was that tornado named Curtis Jackson came through
and it was a tornado. Remember that tornado, y'all. Yeah,
he shook y'all up too. I've seen the clip with
Jay was like, y'all niggas better figure it out because
this Curtis nigga here, this sick nobody used the hottest
nigga mixtapes move all before the dre deal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
This nigga made.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I used to you used to have to deal with
the Africans because we was all mixed in me murder, graft, gravy.
We all came up together, Corey Dahns, them niggas signed.
We're trying to get to where Bleak is at.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
They got they they're good, They already stars. We coming,
We coming and working this mixtape angle and everything's going good.
Like niggas is fighting for that spot me pat Yo,
who's gonna be that nigga? Here come a fucking tornado.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
I ain't gonna front their mixtape, run with man something
like never yelling every call.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
I remember my nigga was doing toys off mix mixtape
like play your beat and wrapped his versual because nobody
it was more popular than you original record, like you
can't front on they run.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
And that was not the competence.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
So Atlantic wanted me to use my story, like you
got it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
A jail, right, you shot people before you've been shoting,
like I got graized?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Did that count? I got grace? Is that? How much
does that work? I heard the shot exactly. I was
how much does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
The niggas is like, look, you're gonna you better dig
into your gangsterism because.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Niggas so I'm in. That's all they cared about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Everybody was looking for the next fifty or something close
to it all because it was so dynamic, and it
was like, nigga, why are you sitting here kicking his
conscious ship when you got the story. You have the backstory,
You've been in jail. Dam'ty a decade. You did all
this ship. You known for this ship. You run around
with True Life, who was the ultimate fucking pressure the

(01:18:24):
industry pressure cooker.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
You got everybody on that nigga and he shug yo,
that nigga XI put niggas in the blender bro life
used to have. Yo.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Nigga used to be like, Damn, I'm I'm with this
nigga on every DVD.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
I told him everywhere I go. I'm like, I can
you know some ship because this nigga beef is trickling that.
That's how the mobshit started. Had nothing to do with me,
you know, fucking true. I want him to come on
the show and he told me. I told him in
luck with that it's just not a drama show. So
you ain't got we ain't gonna get in all that
I want to know about the true life. What's all

(01:19:00):
that jew got you and his music and all think
And that's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
What I want him to hea. Do you know what
he'll do for you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I want the people to know all my people, that's
he do for you. People don't know me and you
like this when they see the nigga be like, Yo,
these niggas have been around them, slepting my staircase, hang
with beon these nigga the Yo, I'm waking up like Yo,
what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Were smoking and d kicking it in the in the hallways.
Niggas would never know that. Niggas don't even know that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
That's why I'm glad this platform is here so niggas
can see the relationship and see the good niggas is doing.
Like I said, bro, come on, man, you got the
first of all did the album in twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
You got an album with buck wold By all attached now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
And the only niggas in the world with a real
jay Z verse the fact that wasn't on Rockefeller fact
he would like the niggas like Lou pig got, I said,
you know, jay Z executive executive produce.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
That album, right, was supposed to be on Rockefeller, just
like me. One of jay Z was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
He wanted to sign him, He wanted to sign me,
and the niggas tell me four months ago. I said,
crazy the fuck you ain't telling me that? Then I
would have loop A my dog too. We gotta police too.
You gotta go get people who understand that eraror too,
because there's a lot of myself there and a lot
of people don't understand because Tom moved so fast that
we forget a lot of ship. But we we are

(01:20:22):
like it was so crazy, like even ushering and y'all
how we had new Cam already, but then when Cam
with the Rockefeller, it was like, there's a new cam.
These niggas don't re energize can And then when he
got reenergized, it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Was like, fuck, y'all, niggas hit up here us with
the Bishop and my my gun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Now, nigga, I'm holding on of this. I'm hold on
to the gun because I said, some nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Jim rapids so fun Mankevin, the niggas niggas said we
got the juice the junia like taking over the rock.
When I heard that, I rewinded that. Did you just
say that? Two shots and care for taking over the rock? Yeah,

(01:21:21):
that's why we got my nigga. Joel's up here. I
was getting just money whatever come in the holly, can't
getting money. I gotta hogher that they get shorty byby.
I think I think him will come to man, you bleak.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Anybody who don't come for you is not is doing
a disrespect to the coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
That's how you know niggas is just in the old
world that many people.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
People go to Norri because he's a funny guy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
But he's beloved.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
People love Norri because he always bought fun and hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
He he bought it. He bought for real.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
He introduced niggas in the Neptunes. He always he always
brings good energy and you're the same kind person. So
I can't see a person being like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Nah, I ain't doing bleak Memphis bleak podcasts, like don't
funk who after he see this, he's gonna be like, yeah,
he wanted to tell niggas about how he told this.
He ain't giving the gun back. Look, and he got
a new gun. Yeah, he got a got a mother Yeah,
he got a big ass gun. He got a ta.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Yeah that nigga got a motherfucking tak. So I think
that's the juice now for he got like nigga up up, proud.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
I'm proud of them niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I don't see all of us Gilly, you know, you
know stories el Gilly, because Gilly never stopped. Like niggas
don't understand Gilly's story. They think it's just uh, Philly's
most wanted. And then he went and got signed to
Cash Money and then all of a sudden he pops
up out of nowhere as his podcaster that Nigga never
stopped working. He went and he got movies with Nipsey

(01:22:55):
Hustle like him, and Nipsey was man close. He got
man movie, he got move. He's with ring brains like Gilly,
kept grinding. Gilly wouldn't take no for an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
So he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
He wasn't everybody's radar. But he was always working.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
That's how you win. And now they win it. Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Once his brother's cousin came together and that synergy worked
and and he started with that man dollar was work
for game ship.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
He was doing off his sports, all that winning, winning,
and they went yeah, yeah, wow, everybody Ferrari he got
like that. He got a lamb, they got old schools.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
He did twenty years in jail. He deserves that. That's right,
he deserves that. He and he's an uplifting guy like
he's a motivational speaker. He's always positive. They're always teaching,
like we need more guys.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Like Wallow in the world. That's a fact, man, That's
what I'm telling.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
A lot of people get these not to cut your whist,
but a lot of people get these microphones.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Turn it to who they do the wrong things right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Turn it to who they imagine a Mexican with a
megaphone telling niggas to go buy some Gucci.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Y yad, niggas gotta get yall. Niggas ain't twipping enough
out here. Yo. Who said pull up to my rally
like yall nigga?

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah, I need to see more Gucci shoes out to
smotherfucker go back home and come back fly Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
I ain't those trench coach that time. Oh, I ain't
coming back. I ain't coming back, yo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Word up that niggas use his voice, and all he
had was that he ain't have the ability to reach
millions of people because they wouldn't give it to But
he went out them corners and preached them people. And
that look how much his world got around to the
point where you had to listen to that ship and
we got the same.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
We got a bigger opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
That's why I'm like, whenever you put me in a microphone,
I'm not gonna beat. I don't want to be on
the wrong side of history. A lot of these niggas
gonna be on the wrong side of history. Nobody gonna
care about how much money you made all that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
When we what impacts? What was you? What role did
you play?

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
That's why I tell people, like, when you pass away, right,
people what you did? It don't matter what you left with,
how much you left, It's only two things. People are
gonna ask when.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
You pass away. Was you a good person? Or was
you a shitty person? That's it and you and it's
up to you on how people going to think about it?
What what about? Think about this?

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Look at it like this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Imagine you're a person who rap about murder, murder, killed
black murder, all this even drugs, right, because drugs killed
our community too. So when we rap about whipping in
the kitchen, who was we selling that shit to our
own people?

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Who was killing each other with poison and with guns?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
So think about when, hypothetically speaking, when we do figure
it out, Right, when when that light bulb do go off?

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Right, Let's say, niggas is damn the extinct?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Right, do we like? Damn?

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
We down to niggas is extinct in America?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
We down to eighteen million worth? Left?

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Who was part of the problem and who's part of
the solution?

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
How do we get here?

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
We're gonna look at the niggas who was talking about
black murder and killing yourself and kill drill and all
that shit. We're gonna be like these niggas was the
cancer of our community, of our community, and we.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Celebrated these niggas. We call them celebrities. We were celebrating
them because a celebrity is somebody who celebrated. Why are
we celebrating the motherfucker and call them a celebrity if
all they talk about is the detriment and the downfall
of us. Could somebody's bottom line because it's making somebody
else some money. Niggas is gonna be on the wrong
side of history. I don't want to be on the
wrong side of history. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
That's why if I had another opportunity to make a
record tomorrow and they give me a million dollars, I
was still gonna make the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Same kind of music. That's right. That's why I fucked
with you. Say.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
You've always been a solid dude, stand up from beginning,
never changed who you are, never waivered, never sold out
for the money or tried to do something that wasn't
you or like I said, man, you've been the one,
like you know, like all the other artists. They're older
than me, you know, the African being by us, the
Carris Ones. I never got a chance to sit with them,
smoker out with them and talked to them, and No,

(01:27:02):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
With made me serious about can I get a little
bit of filthy? No, didn't be filthy? Brok.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Kris treated me Ye treated me bad. He treated me bad.
I love you, Chris, and it hurt me so bad.
I looked at this nigga for like three seconds after this.
I've been in the game for twenty years, bro. I
got songs with jay Z, with Nas, with fucking Kogi Rap,
with five songs with Cougie Rap, I got a whole

(01:27:35):
damnit and EP with Big Daddy. I've done a lot
with my heroes, and I always wanted to work with
Chris One. I finally see him at the fiftieth anniversary,
which was like a year ago, and I meet him
for the first time, and I'm like, bro, you're like
one of my heroes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Bro, like like no doubts, like gone, no doubt. So
I was, you know my name?

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
So you know? So?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I said, Yo, I was. I was thinking, if you
could do a record with me? I got, I did,
I got this project. I'm doing this called the Jordan Era.
I got grand Pool on it, I got King, I
got all the people who I grew up my hero
on this album.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
And I'm like, I would love Chris for you to
do that. He was like, check this out, Yo, keep
putting in that work. Keep grinding, son, nigga. Nigga grab yo,
keep grinding son. One day yo, che.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Nigga hate me with the one day you'll earn a
care of rest verse. Keep it up, sonny yo, keep working.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
I'm like, nigga, I'm about to retire world way out. Look,
I want the way out. I did it already, like
I didn't earn it or all this ship. He was like,
you keep it up. I got great here, nigga. My
shit is great. You don't see any much work you want.
You know what the fuck you wotan in coming?

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I'm seventy like yo, he got being niggas Sonday, his
son and ship out of me. And I couldn't even
react like I because it's krres one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Yeah, that's what I'm about to say. You can over
respect these niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I got in trouble with these niggas overly respecting them,
like Damn, you don't even deserve this much respect because
you're a fucking piece of ship.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
And not not to say that about Karris One, but
I don't think that because he just did some he
put the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Deoderant on my ship. He definitely little bro he little
broke you. Sh it was moving like that, like right, Nigga,
let the fuck off my head? The fuck is you doing?
He man talked to like, yo, keep it up, Sonny.
I'm like, oh, ship, I didn't expect that. Nigga gave

(01:29:44):
me a business card.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Nigga even give me his number, Nigga said the email
going with a business card though dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Yeah, man, cars don't work, son, you give business cards?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
The rappers we leaving them ships on a hotel nights,
staying looking at Nigga gave me a business card and
was like tap in. I was like, I'm good on that, bro,
because I ain't like to that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Damn ku oh side verse word. I still gotta get man.
I still I don't want the much more work. I
don't want you pulling up in the walker for the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I'm just saying, like, funk, we all all be ship.
I'm almost on the fifth flow. I know he almost
on the city. He almost threw the sixth floor. He
definitely gonna What I'm saying after the sixth flow is
Walker Saus Walker.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Nigga. Listen, this just been a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Great episode of Rock Solid. This is my brother's sightguard.
Make sure y'all download that fucking app Music My Way,
My Way. Please sure you check out. You really want
to make money off your music? Man, Music My Way, y'all.
I see y'all Man listeners, I see them y'all streaming.
Go get your real money, win the buck while album
I'm dropping, it's supposed to see with techno, you're gonna

(01:31:03):
get me in trouble ship.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
I'm allowed to give it. I'm gonna give it, not say.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Because love that proud of my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
You know that, man, I'm so proud of this brother,
brother man the way he represents himself as a black
man online with his family. Little brother say my love.
She okay, I feel like I know him because she
wanted to be a star. She like I got like
like Lit's like he knows.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
I know because I've been watching his face, like watch
go up like what you love you? Man? You make
sure Hip hoped My Way new album coming soon. Tech nine.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Don't chase us for the date he said soon, Love,
We didn't say November soon.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Yeah. Yeah, we didn't say no. Remember my brother. For
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