Jae Millz | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek - ROC Solid

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Big with these year Memphis, come back at it, niggas.
Notice the difference. Just pro pressy Stones. Yeah yeah, y'all
you already know what it is. Yours truly IM greasy
back with another exclusive of rock solid podcasts. And like
I tell you, if you're in the show, either you
was down with the rap or you certified solid in

(00:23):
these streets and his business and as a man walk
in the streets. And I like to welcome my brother
siting to the left of me, one of the best spinners,
underground soldiers ride for the crew to the wheels fall
off niggas out of Harlem holding it down, Jay Mills
in the fucking building. My geez up, my brother, man.

(00:43):
I appreciate you opening the platform to me. Man, congratulations
on what you got going. Appreciate you, bro, Appreciate you man. No, man,
I like to see guys like you. You know what
I mean, Real New York spinners coming up. You know
what I'm saying, putting in that work before we go.
I appreciate you know what I mean. I appreciate Oh yeah,
shout out to my man Chioda done. You know what
I'm saying. He got called a bakery up in Harlem.

(01:04):
He just celebrated ten years. That's why I got the decade.
He said. Make sure you get my man bleaks and
appreciate him. The bakery joint with the bee on it.
That's right, that's right, were out here black on from
the ground up. Ten years. That's a big bes on it.
Yeah yeah, Yo. Before before we get crazy, I want
to ask you one thing. I want to ask you

(01:24):
one thing. You was on a podcast one time and
you was talking about niggas that was on the board
at Rockefeller on the board. What you mean like, nor
you've seen the boy. I never seen the boy because
I never had the chance to ever be. They knew
where I was at, so they said it was a
boy in depth. Jam oh oh oh that yes, yes

(01:48):
I heard I was that boy. Yeah it was you.
They had you. They had fucking what Son and why
Yeah I remember him. I remember it was Corey Guns
was on their True Life Shout. All these people to
shouts on the list shot who else? There was a

(02:11):
lot of spinners on the list. Now, with that being said,
I just want to make sure so that means I
could have possibly rock Rock Life Familiar. It was Rock
Life Familiar. Take hundred hundred thousand, all of y'all. But
I'm y'all live with that. I'm gonna tell y'all right there,

(02:33):
it's crazy because they they asked me when you know,
they were staring to poll with everybody in the office
going on, and they like, your bleak, what's up? I'm like,
your everybody's spinners. But at that time, the industry was on,
it was on demon to it was different, and I
was just you know, smack DVD to come up all
them ships was I was just in the crib and

(02:54):
Nigga's like, your bleak, you gotta get on these waves.
And True Life in them was shooting ship. They was
in the park letting that gun fly out. The True
Life man. True Life had a he had a un
real he was viral before viral. They just reminded them,
saying like when I seen them, they reminded me of
Massy niggas. It was just like, oh ship, Puerto Rican
niggas deep then the motherfucker ready to just get buckied over,

(03:17):
kid York. I just wanted to know that only everybody
on that list, man, and everybody did they thing. Everybody
did they everybody on that list. So you know what
I'm saying, like I'm not. I know, nobody shouldn't be
ashamed if they hell know I was on the lists.
Let's go from that ship that didn't happen, but you
wound up making the Young Money move. Yeah, yeah, that happened.

(03:40):
The Young Money move was. I was going through my
transition from being at Universe wal sr C with Steve
Riskin and Sylvia Ron and all of them. Shout out
Sylvia Ron. She just retired too, just saying I read
an article. I don't know, you know, some of these
audicles be a I you never know. So what it
was is I was leaving a Universal right, but I

(04:02):
ain't really know what my situation. That wasn't my first
deal because I had to deal with Warner Brothers when
I put out No No No, that was my first single,
so I was with Warner Brothers with that, and then
when I put out Like Who and My Swag and
all that joint with Scott Stores, Jurne with Swiss Beads,
Cool and Dre, I was on Universal but it didn't
really pan out. The album then pan out. So when
I left Universal, I had a song called Hoghlight of Play.

(04:24):
I'll never forget and I was getting radio play, but
I didn't. I didn't have a deal no more. So
you know, at that time, everything revolved around yes spinds,
what your spins was. So I got I got enough
Camello trend. Everybody just spinning it. But it's mixed show.
They spinning it on their mix shows. So I'm like, damn.
I was smart enough to be from the mix the
remix era, so I know, don't go to the next song.

(04:46):
If you got some traction on this one, do whatever
you can do to keep this one going. I ain't
got no deal. I'm in the hood, I said, I've
reached out to Wayne. Wayne sent me a Verse for
it for free. But this is when this is around
the time where he doing three hundred features a year. Yeah, yeah,
he asked me for a damn damn. So I want
some shit like let me send you another one? Nah,

(05:08):
Like yo, what next time you're coming to New York
Because I'm like, no deal. So now I'm like, he
must fuck with me to some extent to send me
a Verse and don't ask for no bread or don't
say how much you got, So I said, I he
was like, I don't know when next time I'm coming
to New York. They don't really like me up there
like that, But what you want to holler me about?
So now I'm like, I could either be prideful and
just tell us nigga nine, thanks for the verse, or

(05:30):
I could tell him, y'a, I'm fucked up. I'm in Harlem.
I ain't got no situation. If you're building something, I
see you got the young money shit, let's figure something out.
I told him that shit. He said, so you ain't
got no deal. At that point, I'm like, oh, that
feature is a dub nigga. It's over. It's over for
that feature. He said, you ain't got no demn quarry
back caught me back with test like when can you
get on the flight? I was like yesterday. I started laughing.

(05:54):
Next day I flew to Miami. After that, I was
I ain't want to hear no music. Nothing I seen enough. Damn.
You know what I'm saying. I was like, that's that's
that's love right there. Put in that work and you
came up with spinners. I bro Mice song man like yo,
Mice like Mice raised me, like I know Ice raised,

(06:14):
I know, I know. That was that was my first
That was my first. Uh, that was my first time
being around somebody who wasn't really known yet. He wasn't
really that nigga yet, but he had my song left
the gun up in the right pom. He was battle DMX.
He was like a bad He was like an underground
nigga battling there. He had his weight up. I didn't

(06:35):
really know about him though, So when I get around him,
my favorite rappers Mace, when I meet Tone and Out
the Tone, INNAJ and Keisha Morris took me to meet
Tone and NOJ. That was pop life, you know what
I'm saying. Took me to meet Tone and NOAJ. When
I get in there, Mice in there. So when I
get around Mice, he's on Violator at that time, but

(06:56):
I don't know who he is. I don't know nothing.
Now may start coming around. So I'm looking at Toe like, oh,
you know, y'all know Mace and all that. I don't
even know that Mice is Mace. Homie Ice about to
be on Mace's album Double Up From So I'm like, oh,
so now I'm starting to be under Mice and I'm
realizing I'm a happy rapper. I rap about things I

(07:17):
don't have yet. I rap about cars and I got this.
I'm rapping about the car. Jay Z got on the
Valume two host that I pull out and I bought
the album and he got one leg up. I'm rapping
about that car. I'm nowhere and I don't have a license,
but I'm I'm rapping about that ship. So when I
got around Mice, Mice was the first person I seen

(07:39):
that talk rap like, yeah, yo, let me tell you
niggas about it. And I'm like, damn this niggas like
commanding the room. And I wanted that. So I would
go to high school and at the lunch table. Now
I'm that I want to command that shit. You know
what I'm saying. I feel like Mice caught a bad
break at a time where he was about to be

(08:01):
that nigga. He definitely was. You don't really know that
a lot of people don't know that, but I was
on the verd. I was just about to say that
he don't get the credit as one of the top
spinners out of New York, and he was, you know,
he like a politician. He was holding out. Yeah, he
used to be going crazy. I saw you saw that
son about hostile Ripper the other day. Yeah, I said,

(08:23):
we took it bag. He was nice. Yo was nice.
He was nice, super nice, man like, and those the
type of guys that like, you know, it's like the
guys in the block Gilds better than Jordan. I just
never got my break and it might be a few
people like Nah, I've seen that nigga put up sixty
three one word up like and them two niggas is them.
Because if you even take it back to the mace, mice,

(08:47):
the locks cam, Yeah, my g them niggas was fucking
they was killing everything. I was doggy dog. They was dogs,
the bulls in the room fighting and like what picking
I was a little kid listening to the children of the corn.
That's what I'm saying. The mace murder, mace murder man. Yeah,

(09:07):
heard the gruff, big l big al resting. I'm listening
to them like they the Juice crew. Now, the niggas
was next level. I love. I live on one forty fourth.
Gruff is forty forty Gruff used to be around. So
I used to grow up and be on the corner.
We'd be playing three or three on the monkey bars.

(09:29):
Come back on the block, you sweat, you chilling, you
get your butt roll in the quarterwall, sitting there, A
big l be walking by, Gore text pel a jeans
on ax hats. Then I go in the crib and
look at video music box and now I see if
rap was a game, I'd be m v P. I'm like,
oh shit, that's the nigga that just be walking by,

(09:51):
like regular yo. You know, Fat Joe and these niggas
were been digging in the you know diamond D. I'm
putting all this ship together as a kid, it made
it real for me. And bringing up Fat Joe from
back then, like you know a lot of these kids
today looking fat Joe, Yo, he capp it he is
nah nigga, Fat Joe was putting in. I tell that
Joe all the time. My first two cassettes was totally

(10:13):
crossed out into the thirty six chambers. That's right, that's
what that was my first I gotta walk in and
I listened to this. I listened to Woman Up Chris
and I missed the bus and then I listened to Room.
I'm gonna give it to you with no trivia as
a kid, but my first two CDs was fat Joe's
jealous ones, envy and go and die. Mm see my

(10:33):
first fat Joe ship was you gotta Flow Joe or
I didn't have money to cop it, but I remember
everybody that Joe's in town. I've never seen him with
that hit cut again in life Joe. If you could
get the flow Joe cut again, you gonna talking about
their hair. My man, Nori Yo, I saw Norri had
a part in the middle with he had like the

(10:55):
joint was like hanging a little bit, like I told him,
that's the Tevin Campbell's man. He capped and now that's
what Canbell can't wait? Can we talk crazy niggas up?
You see the Drake Champs. He's like, yeah, this is
this the we all take our hat off, try to

(11:17):
shop on now. When nor when you see the braids,
he could have it hang over the front of your
line when you was doing that fade on the side. Yeah,
I saw you in that. My man sent me a
picture of the rewind box the other day. He was like,
I thought had the braids. I was like, he must
have did that box about two three years the mad Kiss,
because how these niggas was balled their whole career, gonna

(11:39):
grow their ship back right now and they fifty kisses.
Benjamin Button of hip hop it's no way, it's no
way yo, and he got a line yeah, like like
a a shop line. Make you think like that's some
bullshit points and all that like got points yo, that
nigga want to battle be with their hair. I said

(12:00):
saying about it. I lost trying to come at you
with the heir like I can't fight. It's over. I accepted.
Listen when the beans, I accepted it. That that's that's growth. Yeah,
that accepted it. Bro over When did you feel like? Yo?
I'm just when did you go ball? Because I've seen

(12:22):
you with interviews and all in the video get it
it's your right video. The hair was gone once I
tied that shirt on the head over the do rag.
That ship took the hair away. I was doing that
in battles, yo, I was. I got, I got a battle.
I got a whole coogie yard with a white T
shirt tied around my head. I don't wish yo me see,

(12:44):
I used the video. My crew is the reason why
I never I always kept the do rag never Listen
between dang tie tie whole and Marie Yo, my nigga,
I just keep the hat on with that. What Dame
did to clue if I was you out of kept

(13:04):
my hab nah when Dame did the clue on on
backstage was that was m bolla. Bro. I can't see
to this day Tata as soon as he see me. Yo.
What's up? Beanhad nigga laughing like I'm telling you, bro,
them nigga's chopping from the day and y'all niggas from
Harlem made like y'all on that chopping each other ship.

(13:26):
I ain't even gonna lie. The older niggas on twenty
second in Linux, like all the niggas like Dame grew
up with, they're really like that. That's why when I
see like like him and Damon, oh yeah Yo, it's
crazy to see them going through it because if it
wasn't on camera, it probably wouldn't go that far. No,
of course not man, but niggas really do. Dudes talk

(13:47):
crazy to each other when you when you when you're
comfortable and you got loved. It's crazy because your best
friend say the most harmful hurt niggas can imagine you like,
I ain't gonna lie your mom's gotta fat you wouldn't
say that as adults, no, but as kids. Niggas niggas,

(14:09):
niggas crazy crazy. You come outside dead fly like I'm
killing it right, lass, nigga. Yeah, probably still got the
tags on that I want to fight. That's not fact
because you're willing on me now and I don't got
no comebacks. But your hold on. Let's let's rewind a

(14:29):
little bit because the young we ain't gonna brush over
the Young Money affiliation like that was just you joined
the navy. Yeah, we're cool as around a little bit.
We ain't going then call us in the war. We
never got acted. We just did fleet week and went home.
Nine nigga, y'all think it's with the war. Y'all did
some ship. It was a lot of spitters. But one

(14:51):
thing before actual how was the competition amongst y'all? It
was one picture y'all posted right with all the whole
Young Money roster. Mad at them niggas. I don't know
who the niggas. If you look at the Young Money
cover of We Are Young Money, if you wasn't really
a fan fan, like yo, who the fuck is day?
It's certain people. And I learned this when I got

(15:14):
around young money, because you gotta remember when I run
around young money, I always say that was like college
for me. Like I didn't get a chance to go
to college because I had a deal. So I got
accepted the NYU. But in my mind, fuck, I'm going
to NYU for I got a deal, probably with the
dumbest decision I ever made. I agree because I didn't

(15:35):
go to college because you had it. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. I had a deal, but if i'd
have had the college chair, I'd have did both. Fuck that.
I'm out here, Megan, No Stallion did both. You know
what I'm saying. So being with young Money just real talk. Uh,
living in Miami, going on tour for four or five
six months. Like when I got around, Wayne was finishing

(15:58):
up cart at three. So when I got around, he
would be like, YO, play some joints on the album
and he would play me ship and I remember he
played me Lollipop. I'll never forget this ship. I remember
the first time I heard Lollipop. It was like the
first time I heard Welcome to New York City. You
knew I heard Welcome in New York City and baseline

(16:18):
one day, Okay, it my man tone had went down
there took me he was going to see Cam this
when Cam used to Yeah, Cam argued on the phone
with a chick for an hour, cursed out all sorts
of crazy ship, and ended it on some real calm nights.
I love you shit say your tone and I won't

(16:39):
to play you something. I'm I'm just a regular. I'm
with my big homie. He played that ship, turned fucking
music up, just blaze like Baseline, Like what the fuck
this ship? Y'all left Baseline and went back to hunt
forty second in Lynux and in the rain, told everybody, Yo,
Cam got a song with jay Z about nobody. It

(17:02):
wasn't out, but I'm being like, he has a song
with word my nigga. They talking about I'm from They
going back and forth on it. They going back and
forth my nigga. That ship felt like, nah, this this
is you out of here with this nigga. Wayne played
me Lollipop and I heard him doing the T Pain
ship because that was like T Pain was a he
was a whole. You had to be in that error

(17:24):
to understand that nigga was everywhere. You couldn't SKay te Pain.
So when Wayne adopted that type of style. Remember I'm
coming around as a fan, I'm coming around as a
nigga that I just asked you to put a verse on
somen and you asked me when can I fly to Miami?
And now I'm on tour with you. I never been
on tour for I never been you know what I'm saying.
I went on tour for so long. I had you back.
I was at the boat yard chill. They told your

(17:46):
ship I've been on roll so long the boat leave it.
I fuck it. I ain't even going back to get it. Now.
I'm gonna let you finish your story. But then we're
gonna get into the marriage for you. I'd say, shit,
but finish so with Wayne had a story for that.
With Wayne, uh seeing with the lollipop shit, it was like, Yo,

(18:08):
this shit about to be crazy. So I used to
always asking Yo, let me put put lollipop on the
One day he was like, your miles, we ain't just
gonna ride around on the bus and listen to lollipop
all day, Bro, Like you could you could have this.
You could just listen to that. Nigga gave me a CD.
Now Wayne went to school for psychology very smart. I
didn't know this yet, but I was smart enough to

(18:29):
know this song can't never leave my premises. I ran
home and loaded it on the Xbox. If a nigga
want to take this from the crib, you're gonna have
to take my whole xbox. Asked Wayne before Carter three
came out, Ye, how much you how much you think
you're gonna do first week? Because remember Mary had just
did like six or some crazy shit. How much you

(18:50):
think you're gonna do first week? He was like two
fifty three. I think. I'm I mean, we was like, yeah,
that'll be good. I remember. We was like that'll be good, bro,
you do like three. That's my nigga when themselves came back.
Niggas went in the club one night and he was like,
y'mna stay on the bus. You'll just gotta be in
there in a minute. And niggas came off the bus

(19:11):
and he had did the A Milli remix like congragt.
You know, after sales came back, nigga did that shit
while niggas waiting for him to come in to club. Wow.
So seeing it's like it's like with you when you
be telling stories about you remember seeing whole with a
different type of dedication that anybody had. Definitely like even yourself,
Like like, Yo, my nigga, I seen him do shit

(19:33):
that I never seen other rappers, and I seen them
come around him and see his work effort and be like, nah,
I got to step my shit up. That's the shit
that kept me going a million percent being around a
nigga like Wayne. But you said something about being with
Young Money and the team. Shit. I always give this analogy, bro,
when niggas be like, Yo, what was it like being
with Young Money? When Drake came, I said, It's like

(19:58):
being Eddie Jones on the Lake when Kobe came. M
that's what it felt like for all of us. And
I can't speak for everybody. I'm gonna just speak for
j Mills. I know when we was going to the
Every Girl in the World video shoot, Jazz Prince was
still around Jarl so he was like, he was in
a limo with us, and he was like, uh, there's
a few few of us on the song and like

(20:18):
a few people. Wayne wasn't there. I don't think mac
Maine was in the car, but everybody else was in
the was in a limo going to the set. He said, Yo,
y'all want to hear something got draking the project if
you're we was like, hell yeah, put that ship on
like that A nigga put on so far gone. I know,
niggas shit quiet in the car. I should said, I
got a certain lust for life. We was like that.

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Nigga said no, no, no, We was like this. Nigga
sing too, kept listening to that ship. By the time
we got to the video show, I looked at gut
a gutter. I said, my nigga in trouble now. I
talk about this when I heard when I heard Homie

(21:03):
say first time when he said we got we could
split it like the last slice, like oh yeah, yeah,
it's surprise. I could probably sell a blank disc. And
you know, I'm not gonna lie that time. And I
remember seeing that the Drake uh, the Drake wave. I
remember seeing the Nicky wave happened. Way ain't going to jail,
and we had to figure out what we're gonna do.

(21:25):
It was it was like Drake and Nikki kept the
lights on while Wayne was in jail. And Wayne came
home he caught fire again. So I tell niggas all
the time, it was a lot of artists on Young Money.
It's a lot of artists on Rockefeller. Yeah, gonna get
everybody not gonna You might be nice as fun, you
might be a crazy artist, but bro to still to

(21:45):
still have an impact and have a name. That's because
think about it, out of the whole Young Money roster,
the only people they remember is Drake, Nikki, Tiger You
that's it. Gotta gutta you know niggas, Remember Little Twists
and Little Chucky if you're younger, because those was people

(22:05):
you looked at like but young guys making real music. Bro,
They was making music for kids. That wasn't my era.
I'm nothing against them, you know what I'm saying. They
just wasn't making music that I'm putting on. Like, you
know what I'm saying. But y'all made your impact and
you did your thing. It's the same thing with Rockefeller.
P D. Krack never got the chance to drop an album,
but there were no crack. Yeah, you respect him for

(22:26):
what he did, you know what I'm saying. Like like
O Skeino and Sparks never dropped the album, but they
know who Oskeino and Sparks And you know what I think,
you know what I think helped me too, Bleak. I
think what helped me was by the time I got
to Young Money, I had had situations already, so you knew,
you know, the money Young Money didn't break my heart.
You know what I'm saying. I had already knew what

(22:47):
I'm signing up for. I had already knew. Uh, this
ain't all about me. You know what I'm saying, I'm
signing to a rapper at the height of his career. Yeah.
Anything he doing for me or any of us, that
ship is extra credit used to pull in the red
lobster seven tour buses. He wants steak shrimp, two lobster tails.

(23:09):
Seven busses get steak shrimp and two lobster tails. Wow,
I ain't about to ask you what you want? You
what you want? You I know you want. I know
you want steak trimp I know you want state trimpp
in and baked potato. I know you. I ain't gonna
cat Oh, we ain't do that. Everybody was ordering what
they wanted. We all wasn't getting one thing. Seven busses.

(23:33):
I remember you said, the nigga roll with the window
down all the bay we used to do ship, bro,
we were shooting, uh do my video in l A.
Niggas wanted this lastic. So when we first found out
about College Jr. Niggas shut that ship down for three hours.
Be pay them to close it just us what like?
That's how Hove did it. We were like, we want
to see a movie. He shut the whole movie thing,

(23:56):
put every everything in the theater free. That's fine. We
want to go to six Flags, We shut the whole
six Flags. We want to go to Disneylanders, shut the
whole park down, just for us, just for y'all, just
for us. That's fire. I still to this day, I
can't do that. No no, no, no, no no no I
shutting it down. I'll buy you whatever you want. Still
to this day, I'm not doing no. I would if

(24:20):
I had the chicken, me and all my niggas we wanted, Like, yo, bro,
I remember when we were when State Property came out.
You got to put that on the drink champs and
that budget that can't come out of yet that we
had a budget. Yeah, we had one one movie, you know,
Premier Nigga shut the whole movie there to day, or
we could go watch every movie that was in the theater,
everything from the concession stands, all the slushies, everything free.

(24:45):
We in there about twenty five hundred people. Bro, Yo,
I want to ask you some that's like how much
that costs? I want to ask you because I don't
even ask because I'm I'm an. I always tell you, man,
I'm a fan. I have no problem with telling you
I'm a fan. Bro As he was listening. Man, That's
how niggas was listening to me. I was listening to
That's how I am listening to y'all coming up, y'all,

(25:06):
the spinners, y'all, the next wave. It was like who
who Who's gonna carry the torch? Who the niggas that's
gonna hold it down? Between you, Pap Sigone true, fucking
uh fucking so many artist side of New York, Bro,
it's too many, man. As you can see, all of
y'all made John Mark though, bro so figured it out.
We fans of y'all too figured it out. I'm gonna

(25:27):
tell you some real ship. Rest in peace to my
man Omen. My man Omen just passed. I don't know
if you know that or not. No non God blessed
though Omen was the first person that showed me a
plaque and let me touch it. It was a Memphis
bleak coming to Age plaque. You know, Man put that
gold boy up on them. He did Regular Cat. Oh,

(25:50):
I used to I used to swear God, Jay Runner,
do you know who? I used to you across the
street from me. So he did a bunch of beats
for me. Like when I was coming up, Like so,
I used to go to his crib because I was
cool with his little cousin. We went to school together.
So I would go his crib, play play live and
all that. You know, he's a little older, he'd be
in there making beats. He's doing all this shit. And
I remember he had to come into Age plaque, you

(26:11):
know what I'm saying, presented the Sydney on bread and
I remember I was like, damn, bro, I used to
always listen to your album and listen to listen to
Regular Cat and be like, damn, I know the nigga,
who did you know? When you're young, you feel like
attached to ship like that, like the beat. That's the
same way I feel when I first seen Jay and
Big Daddy King video and Sauce Money and King video,
it was like, man, these niggas from my my my projects,

(26:35):
like what was your favorite what was your favorite era
of your career of mom of like not they don't.
I don't have to do it selling records anything, but
just like what what what matter is the most of you?
Like whatever matter is the most of you. My first
my first two albums, Coming to Age and the Understanding

(26:57):
was my baby's. I feel like after those albums, the
success and the tension I got is when people started
staring me and then I started trying to make music
to please the fans. But those first two albums was
just me rapping for my block, Me rapping for my niggas.
Like I didn't know the world yet, you know what
I'm saying. So all I knew was what Marcy taught me,

(27:19):
what Brooklyn showed me, what New York City, traveling over
here over there. So to me, if you wanted to
know who I really was back then, those first two albums,
Tellers Tell Understanding was probably my favorite album from you,
my brother, you know what I'm saying. I remember at
that point I felt like, uh, that was you. Yeah.

(27:40):
I felt like Coming to Age was still that was
still like Jay's this is my creation a little bit,
but he that's what So you know a lot of
people think that, but because that's how it looked, it
just felt like that because we knew you from see
But this is this is the thing that I'm glad
you're saying this because I get to say this now.

(28:01):
I always told the world right like Jay wrote coming
to Age for me, Come in Age one, Coming Age two,
not the album y the songs on his album. So
me being a rapper knowing people like Little C's no
disrespect sees my brother, but he wasn't a rapper so
big right for him. You know, that's why his raps

(28:21):
couldn't elevate to the same. So I always had to
compete with what Jay wrote for me. So with that
being said, him doing that made me better. It made
me an animal because when it came time to drop
my album, I knew people was gonna be like, yeah,
Jay helped him with that. Jay did it? Why because

(28:43):
and that's because that's what made me go hard on
the album because they felt like he was helping me
with everything. But Jay would leave you for Dad. Jay
are come in the studio and be like, yo, this
be hard, Yo, Yo. These two bars is dope. You
two lines a song is about one hundred and Steve Lions.
You gave me two What am I supposed to say
after this? You gave me the hardest lines in the song.

(29:06):
What I'm supposed to say after that? Whole? Now, I'm
sitting there for hours and hours and and Bro, that
meant to wear and tear. That's what prepared me to
get into the game. And that's why I say my
first album is my baby and my second album because
Rockefeller didn't even believe in me then, Bro, Beanie Sege.
It was a lot going on at Bean by the

(29:30):
time you got to understanding it was dip yet No,
you remember the scene? No, you remember the scene? And
fucking what is it in juice? Is it juice with
we're bishopping them? Which that's that's when by the locker,
when he closes locker. That's how what came last time

(29:51):
you said that. I was kind of tripping, yo. That's
how Beans came on Rockefeller when I closed the locker,
like I'm good, he's standing in there like this, YO.
But I felt like when Beans came when we when
I knew it was like oh ship, like they two
different artists and that's like it was a thousand bars freestyle.

(30:13):
Oh I hated it. I was like, why they why
ain't lying my man? I got yo, bro, I used
to argue, I was always a nigga to be like
I got schmoked. I used to know it. That why
I wouldn't just let him that. I can't that. That's
why I'm saying that. That's why it confused me when
Beans went on to you, and it's like, Yo, if
Jay helped me, thousand balls would have been way down

(30:36):
what it was. They didn't have to put bleak one thousand,
they didn't have to put no. And that was in
the time where Beanie was like was he was like
it was like it was kind of like undeniable too, Yo,
under it was undeniable. So it's like we just gonna
roll with the Waives. It's the same thing with the
Drake Ship. It's like, Yo, That's why I always say,
if that was my first deal, I might have took

(30:56):
a lot of things different, Like I left Young Money
because I didn't feel Wayne owed me nothing. That's why
I said, I that was my first deal, I might
have been emotionally attached, like man, them niggas fucked me up. Man,
if they would have did this, I could have. It's like, nah,
but fuck what they didn't do. You gonna run out
of time and the day trying to explain the shit

(31:17):
they did. Do you know what I'm saying, If a
nigga fighting for fifty million and fighting niggat his album out,
we ain't got time to fight for you, because I
know if I know, if a nigga owe me fifty million,
I'm on his ass. I don't even fuck about nobody
in this room album coming out. Straight up, I don't
care about none of y'all niggas rent, none of y'all
his problems. I don't care. You see what I'm going

(31:38):
I need that fifty And he never handled it like
that with us. He kept it moving, We stayed on
the road, He kept it, he kept it going. So
at some point I was like, all right, My fiance
used to always tell me this, do you think because
you know, you talked to your lady back and forth
about shit all the time. So I'm asking A, I
don't really want to leave yet, because that's like my umbrella,

(32:02):
that's you know what I'm saying, that's my If I
leave there right now, I gotta build something. So I started.
I started like building the Potent Department and my own
little kid before I left. But she used to be like,
do you think you've went like this at Young Money
and you could keep going up? Or do you think
you've went up and came back down and now you're

(32:23):
just doing like this? Because if you're doing like this,
you could do that on your own. If there's no
higher then whatever for you to go to at Young Money,
then you could fly at a level, at a base
level on your own, you know what I'm saying. So
at that point, it was like, yeah, I don't think
WA ain't gonna owe me nothing. I always say that
shit like Nigga gave me a chance, But it wasn't

(32:44):
nobody else giving me a chance when he told me
to get yo, you want to get on that flight.
Wasn't nobody else trying to put me on nothing? Ain't
nobody take me on tours. I don't have billboard plaques
on my walls and gold plaques and three hundred million
streams for bed rockets. I don't got none of that shit.
If he'll be like, yo, so you aren't gonna fight
them all? Like killed and some shit at Young Money

(33:05):
if you want to be a part of it, you
know what I'm saying. So at the end of the day,
you take if the long as the good outwagh to bad.
And I feel like the good at Young Money out
way too bad because you don't remember the bad. That's right,
you know what I'm saying. You remember, yo, bro, I
remember it was flaming shit. I remember on the Gangster
Grills ship when I heard you, he was going crazy.
I remember every every time I heard you on something
with Wayne, you were standing tall. So I'm cool with that,

(33:28):
you know what I'm saying. Everybody not gonna get a
chance to hang the platinum plaque on the water. It
was a lot of niggas at Rockefeller that I thought
was dope. But everybody ain't gonna get a chance to
have a not not like this is State Property album,
or this is a this is a compilation album, this
is the We Are Young Money album. Yeah, we are
Young Money did his thing Bedrock and every girl did

(33:49):
they thing. But Drake, Tiger and Nikki got their own plaques. Yea,
and that's cool. It's the same thing. High. Yeah, don't
take credit for the dynasty set. That ship went four
or five million. But you don't hear me say I
put up a nickel. But but you can. I can.
You know why you can, because I'm on that hour,
because sheikhluch is still on the Benjamins. That's right. That's
a fact. You talking about, nigga, You can't what you

(34:12):
want to do. That's a fact. You know what I'm saying.
So you can't. There ain't no parking lot pimping without you. No,
it ain't no one nine hundred hustler without you. So
that is your ship one hundred you might not want
to carry. And they and they hijacked me for my record, man, No, no, no, no,
the record I got on there Dolo holler. You know,

(34:34):
all right? So as a fan, can I tell you something?
They hijacked me. He dropped the biscuit, y'all you are
he's still running around goon and y'all. Now I'm captain, I'm.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
No upt me my train of thought.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Back, hold on, just hold up. Were talking about how
I got hijacked for holler holler? All right, Look, this
is why I felt like holler was good at that
time for you. Yeah, that was the nigga. That was
it because the Dynasty album was phenomenal, which right, it
was phenomenal, but we needed to hear you without the
niggas at that time because it was segull huh myth league,

(35:22):
Well it was your niggas. Truly ain't ready for this
Dynasty thing. Yeah, everything was like it's him him, him her, Yeah,
and it was fire, but that one just him that
was listening to that song you fuck with him because
you could listen to Jay. You could listen to streets.

(35:42):
It's not only watching, but they talking. Now you could.
You could listen to Beanie. You listen to all that
ship if you want. But if you come to holler,
if you if you come there fucking with men, now
that's a fact. So that's why you needed that for
that album. And that was my Yo. That song where
I felt like I got hijacked for that song because
this is when I really learned the business. I stuck

(36:06):
a nigga up and got stuck up at the same time.
The beat, yes, me and my manager. It was a
two way robbery, so we robbed the nigga. We Yo
nigga produced the beat. I ain't gonna say no name
but we My manager rode on the napkin like, yo,
how much you want for the beat? The nigga wrote

(36:27):
down five thousands. So my manager like, I think you
put one too many zeros. So the nigga like, yeah,
I buggy, he took a zero where it was like
five hundred. So niggas like, all right, cool, five hundred.
You good. But then my manager, so I'm telling me,
he like, yo, we should buy the rights to the
beat everything, so I say, produced by us. So I'm like,

(36:47):
all right, cool, no problem, Let's give them the five
thousand and buy the rights. So niggas like, fuck it,
give them the five thousand. He sold us the rights
to publish it everything. Let's that's robbery. He would have
made way more money. He'd have kept his publisher. That
was a mother for you kidding me? Five thousand dollars
would never That's like imagine selling the rights to one

(37:10):
of your right for five thousand, and that shit went
five million. But he didn't know. I don't kids, jay Z.
It's on his album. This is Memphis Bleak. I'm selling
five hundred thousand records every album, yo, listen so by
So this is what I'm telling you, so we get
the rights. Now it's supposed to be the single to

(37:31):
the understand it. Jy come in the studio, he hit
the record. Nah, this's gotta be on the Dynasty. So
now in my mind, Chip fucking ching, yes, put it
on the Dynasty. It's produced by Memphis Bleak be High.
I wrote all the lyrics. I don't got nobody featured

(37:52):
on the hook. I don't gotta give no percentage to nobody,
one hundred percent of this record. Where's the upper cut? Yo?
You know this my album too? Right? This? Jay, I
gotta get PC anything. What what I'm saying. You ain't
help with the robbery. You ain't give me an idea.

(38:12):
If you came in here, be like bleak change this
to that? You know yo, holler you know you could
put this I then it'll be like cool that nigga.
I'm like, I'm fighting yo. That's probably the only time
I think I tried to fight Hole and it's like
go back and forth, like, Nah, I don't care, don't
put it on the album. No, put it on my album.
I don't care. You don't tell me I control these records.

(38:34):
I put it on any album I want to put
it on. So Nigga's like, a, fuck it, what the
percentage I'm gonna get that Nigga took half. Whenever you
get it, I want half. It's like I can't say.
You can't even yeah, argue with it, yo, one percent

(38:55):
of something is great. With ninety percent of side, it's
fucking heavy. Yeah. So that record, when you look at
the credits, niggas want to be like, yeah, Hole wrote
for I produce for Hole. Fuck it, No, Now you
gotta stand on that. You gotta stand on that one.

(39:18):
You gotta stand on that one. You know what I mean?
But Yo, I seen somewhere you was talking about ghost
writers and writers in the industry, and you was like, Kanye,
you felt rote for Jay? Oh, hold on now, hold
on now, disclaimer ya, because I ain't gonna lie. Niggas

(39:40):
started acting real funny with me after that clip came out.
I don't know what happened. I don't know who is
scared of Hole not being a friend no more. We
got spooky for about four five months. Nigga niggas was
like secret friends, Yo, Chill. You know how like niggas
not about Hole? Chill? Chill? Fuck is you talking about

(40:02):
I tried to say, you know, I'm glad you asked
me that because I could clear that up here, because
I know Hoo's gonna see this. I can clear it
up here, right, Yeah, I know. So I was basically saying, Ky,
they was talking about the Quentin Miller and the Drake ship,
right yeah, yeah, So I was basically saying, I was
trying to give an example. Playing Devil's Advocate. You just

(40:24):
trying to give example, like, all right, well, niggas a
hold Drake to that standard, or hold this person of
that standards. Not necessarily Drake, let's get away from Drake,
just any sort of rapper, you'll hold him to that standard.
But I've seen Fade the Black. Now, everybody that watched
that clip seen Fade the Black. Yeah, you're seen Kanye.
Get I've seen Kanye give whole songs before with the

(40:48):
hook on it and the clip. I said, we've all
seen Fade the Black. That doesn't change jay Z as
a but it changes Drake though. But I never thought
that because Ye said looser for loose for if you
don't use it something, use this on my album. I
gotta get them devils. I didn't think that was like, oh,
he's up. He'd be writing all jay z ship no,

(41:09):
but he gave him it was arrest yo. Listen, nigga.
I didn't want to hear it because you probably worded
it wrong. And Gilly said the same thing you probably
more months later, the same ship. Gilly said, the same ship.
Ain't no, it ain't break. No, it ain't break no outlets,
it ain't go viral. Same ship, he said, the same
exact ship. Sometimes, I said the messenger, niggas, don't funk
with the nigga. Sometimes. That's when I learned, shut the

(41:31):
funk up when you're talking about no. Man, I ain't
say ship about said. Everything been nice since then, I
guarantee you it ain't. It ain't that shit ain't even
penetrate the biggest just care about that. I was like
off the walk. Yeah, but but ever since I had kids,
I retired paws without you from hall. So I got

(41:53):
to say, won't let me my son twenty. I know
you ain't telling you your son get the rock. I
know you didn't grow up telling your son get the rock.
He gonna be that ad told him get the ball.
He gonna be like this yo wo yo yourself the
teacher boys friends in the Corty. I'm taking the football
like now isn quiet? Now everything quiet? You just not

(42:15):
me man I do Nah, I ain't do none of
that with with my kids because I'm like, I ain't
grow up like that. I can't my kids going, no
real ship, get the ball, not gonna be like, yo,
get the rock. You said you didn't grow up like
what Like you didn't grow up with the pash because no, pause,
ain't coming to Rockefeller. Pause, I didn't start to Rockefeller,

(42:37):
Dame dash Jayson grew up in Rockefellers. I was already
sixteen when Rockefeller got off the ground. But you you
still grew up in Rock. So you did. You're part
of the part the revolution of how that came. What
I'm trying to say is my moms didn't tell me
get the rock. This is what I'm saying. When I

(42:59):
was a kid growing up tied to tire, my right,
going to school, my mom's in say yo, paws, get
the peanut butter. Nah. None of my uncles, none of
my uncles said nothing like that. That's what I'm saying.
And maybe because I'm growing up with them with paws,
Maybe because I'm from Harlem because Dame forty seconds. Yes,
ay yo, everything everything was ao everything. It became too

(43:21):
much in Rockefeller with certain niggas. Used to be that
ass serious, don't play with it, you say, ay on
fucking you up like it became that serious in the
crew like niggas don't play It was wild. Nah, it
got outrageous. So now to see the youth gravitate to it,
it's it's like fuck that ship does pop back up? Okay,
they let let let a young niggas see you eating

(43:42):
a hot dog, get a cookout? Yo. Chill, oh viral
yo chill. I don't know, yo. They fucked up the
slang on a lot of shit. These young niggas violated
a dub. Is you done? A dub? Was twenty dollars
to me? They changed everything, but weird, but y'all changed
everything too. No, what we changed it from y'all change

(44:03):
what we changed? Everything stayed to say. We just elevated it.
Rockefeller changed a lot of slang, yo, from what to
what unless we took some Philly shit niggas drawn. You know,
everything is the joe now, But it was a lot
of It was a lot of ship that niggas used
to say, like even in y'all wrong Halla niggas was Brooklyn.
That was bek ship with Rockefellers. Just like they Yo,

(44:25):
they put y'all ship on us. They'd be like, Yo,
you New York niggas. Yeah, B Like wait, that's hallm.
We don't say be in Brooklyn. Everythiing is son in Brooklyn.
We don't say son and no just like done done,
that's queens. My cousins, that might be just queens. You
know my cousin mau Ravens would he's still with language trying.

(44:47):
When you get hit done talking, that's the piece Proudigy
used to be Mad niggas spoke the done language, rapped
about it. Don't talk to done but nah back to
the ghost writing thing, right, ghost right? How I feel
about the ghost writing things? I don't wrote. I don't
wrotehit for Peano before. Yeah, but I was about to
say this right, you probably worded it wrong with the

(45:08):
producer because beat makers. I say this all the time.
Beat Makers was just sending you a beat a producer.
He's gonna produce that record, He's gonna give you the idea,
and that's that's the ones you want. So if you
come with the hook, the idea, the direction I should go.

(45:28):
You can't consider that as writing for somebody that's producing
the record. You're a producer. You don't want to write.
Fuck your record. Probably was worded wrong, but niggas knew
what I was saying. Niggas knew what I was saying. Niggas.
Still it depends on what platform you said it on too,
like you know, like remember it could be the platform.
And that's when I learned. And you know what's crazy.
After that, I was in Miami. I was in Miami.

(45:51):
We was out there for Bado birthday and who tried
to act funny man. It was like, ain't no friends
and this man home was out there, My lady was
out there. We was all out there. We was chilling
and Noor was having like nor he always have real combo,
like the big homie joke a lot, but he'll fucking
wait for if you get a chance to get cool

(46:12):
enough with Norri, well he hit you or you can
hit him and y'all could go chill with no cameras
and they and you could just vibe with him. Nor
was one of the first people to hit me when
I left Young Money and he told me, Yo, you
stayed too long. Mmmm. So you should have been left,
not like you should have stopped fucking with Wayne, but

(46:34):
you you you uh, you dried up a little bit
out there because you should have been. But you gotta
remember that was the I was. I had never been
a part of anything that big before. You know what
I'm saying, Pause a big forgive me, father, forgive me.

(46:55):
That was disgusting, man, chill, Yo, See this is why
I stopped playing. That was the end of the game.
You're not like any street ball nigga do a crazy
move and hit the jump shot and everybody but everybody,
it's over, It's over. That was crazy. But I believe

(47:20):
what my problem was. I was. I was. I was
with the Sun. Oh was the Sun? Yeah? I was
just a fucking candle, just trying to get lick. You
was with two three? Yes, not bro. That ship don't happen.
And I tell people that don't happen. I tell people
all the time, like you gotta be happy and grateful

(47:40):
that you was a part of it. He was able
to be a part of that when you were you know,
history right there. Everybody's not gonna be drake. Everybody not
gonna be Nikki. Everybody not gonna be Tiger, Everybody not
gonna be Wayne, that's right. But everybody couldn't be whole.
Everybody couldn't be Kanye. That's right. Everybody can't be cold.

(48:00):
But you had to have You can't be Na. You
had to have a bleak. You had to have bean
to have a Beanie, that's you know what I'm saying.
You had You had to have a Christian neath. That's
a young niggas. You to have a PD. You had
to have a freeway with just so you can't name
another nigga with a flow like like freeway that's had
have that. That's you know what I'm saying. You lost
all of y'all to why they was wrong? Yeah, fuck

(48:24):
you lost to the Bat Cassidy battle. You made what
we do, That's right. You know what I'm say. Gonna
go forever, Bro, that should never go. But but freeway
at ya, freeway ain't hold, but free is free, you
know what I'm saying. So I had to be comfortable
with nigga. My chapter at Young Money is J Mills.
That's what I was, right. You know what I'm saying.
You got chapters in your book, but that's what it was.

(48:45):
And be grateful for that ship you done, did the
Battle League, how you felt about that? Man, Man, you're
gonna get me barred from the battle. Let me talk
about battle talk about the battle man. Battle Rap is great,
and I love battle Rap because before I was with
Young Money, or before I did No No No, before
I have rap deals. That's how New York doing all that, right,

(49:06):
So there wasn't no leagues yet, there wasn't no U
r L. You know what I'm saying. Shout out the Smack,
Shout the ARP and everybody else that created leagues along
the line that paid us and put money in our pocket.
Because at some point when I came back to battle
Rap after I left Young Money, I'm making good money
in battle Rap, but it's the tell end of it.
It was a time where Niggas was making even more

(49:27):
money than this. I know what I'm saying, but I
think now it done got too far into Like when
Niggas booked me for a battle. Sometimes, depending on who
I'm battling, ain't gonna say no names or whatever, But
depending on who you're battling, they'll be like, yo, you
got to create some traction. You got to call them
out on Twitter, you call them out on the Gram,
And I be like, why when we do the face off,
I'm clown ass, bump ass, nigga, you was never me.

(49:52):
I'm gonna wash you. I'm gonna talk so crazy to
him when we do the face So why do I
gotta keep posting things every other day? Because at some point,
all I want to do is go back into eat
it exactly all that ship like, but they want you
to hype it up. It's like wrestling. It's like, why
we need a storyline, nigga? Why the storyline can be?
I think I'm better than you, you think you better
than me? Let's do it because I can see that

(50:14):
though it's promotion, you know that make people click, you
know what I mean? That's why a lot of these
bloggers and podcasts lead. Or when you looked at battles
on the Smack DVDs and all them DVDs, you ain't
know who the fuck J Mills and Sia Castro or
Loaded Buck. You ain't know who we were. No, yes,
you just wanted you knew after y'all, mother, But when
you first saw me on a on a DVD, battling.

(50:36):
If you ain't really know me, you just gave me
a shot, and then after that you build with it.
I didn't have to call a mess out and say
fuck Philly, nigga, I ain't have to do all of
that to get I say, you have to. But I
can see why they would say that, because that's the
ship that get people to click, you know, on the
in and thatt That's that's the clickbait ship. So if
we're gonna play that game, this is the other part

(50:58):
I don't like. This is why, in a way, I
fell back a little bit off battle. I still do it,
but I'm more selective with who I'm a battle right.
I'll go in there and I'll say some shit about
I'm just braggadocious, you know what I'm saying. But that's
just my style. I'm a braggadoch's battle rapper. So I
might go in there and I might say some shit
about the signs of my house. You see, this person

(51:19):
got a small house. I'm just I'm just gonna I'm
gonna say that your crib eight hundred square feet, you
buy my ass, nigga, I got three floors, my ship
four thousand square feet. I'm just saying some ship. Now,
in my mind, I'm shitting on you. That's what we're
up here to do. I'm shitting on you, and I
feel like my ship is hitting even harder because I

(51:39):
know for a fact my house is really as big. Now.
Even if your house ain't nine hundred square feet, I
know it ain't mine. So I feel so much better
when I'm up here barring you down with When I'm
talking about different type of places I've been in my
life and I'm on my third passport, I know you
ain't never been this many places in your life. Post
everything on social media, so I know how you live.

(52:01):
So I wrote like that. But when we get on stage,
that's not appealing to the crowd because you're always talking
about you made it, nigga. Yeah, all right, we get it.
You got a big house, nigger, We get it. It
becomes that and it's like, well, damn, I Nigga, I
thought you was just coming here as a fan. Nah,
They not fans no more. Now, when I tell you, Nigga,

(52:22):
your career probably six hundred and fifty school, you probably
one argument away from being homeless. Nigga, argue with your
girl one more time, my nigga, you're gonna be calling
the nigga can pick you up. That's not funny no more.
Because a lot of them niggas in the crowd, probably
with the girl from a lot of them niggas in
the crowd, probably living the six hundred square foot they
talking to you crazy. You're Memphis bleak, and the nigga

(52:45):
gonna get on the stage and try to talk some
fly ship to you. And then if you talk it back,
it's like you shiitn't you you're talking down on Yeah.
I'm not talking down on it, y'all. Y'all, I'm battling him. Yeah.
Now it's like, now you you think you better than everybody? Nah,
I think I'm better than the nigga. I'm battling right now,
like now the crowd on you, not the crowd, the internet,

(53:07):
now the comments section. Oh, he always he thinks he
better than everybody. Been he been sounding like that for
years and it just turned into something. It turned into
narratives and niggas are join in and now they're on
clubhouse and this Twitter. I don't do all that shit.
I'm not. I just want to rap, you know what
I'm saying. So I fuck with the whole battle rap community.
But I feel like the way that the business doesn't

(53:27):
turn it's like rap, it's like rap music. I'm gonna
give you an analogy right now. I'm glad. I'm gonna
say this on this platform too. Yo. You from a
total different era than a lot of these artists from
I'm from a total different era than a lot of
these artists from my nigga. You can't tell me that
if I go to the free throw line and I

(53:49):
make a free throw, I don't get one point. You're
not gonna tell me if I go to the free
throw line and I make a free throw, I get
zero points, zeros, zero six percent of a point. So
I got to hit you know, I mean free throws.
I gotta hit fifteen to get a point. Yeah, fifteen hundred.

(54:11):
You know how many zero points zero zero, zero six
percent we gotta get to get a dollar. Yeah. That's
why I say, I'm very glad that you're doing because
everything changed. I feel like everything I learned change the
battle rap world. I learned it changed the industry, everything changing.
When I got around my song Toning and was going
to get reals, you ain't had that many times to

(54:32):
do no ship switches on the SSL board. We're getting you.
That's a fact. Them ships were getting. You stick the
right money to cut that tape and rework at the
end of the night before we wouldn leave Electric Lady
or something like that. The TDK that costs a dollar
on the corner, Niggas might spend two fifty for that ship.
When you write down everything, five dollars for that dollar tape.

(54:54):
You understand I'm saying. So you think about that. We
went through all that eraror before it was Spotify and
Apple Music, niggas beats music. It wasn't no then it
was a blog Eraror and it was niggas was buying
albums from targeting Best buy it one time. Bro, Yeah,
super we don't buy home everywhere. No. I think people

(55:15):
would if the physical copies was out, but it ain't
ecause you even come with see that. That's the way
it is. I think the director consumer ship, it's going
to be the way that it's going to go. In
a minute, it's going it's gonna be the way you
gotta go. You're not going to get as many big cells,
but you could get bread from it. But I feel
like the whole industry doesn't changed, my nigga because it

(55:35):
did with the with the way streaming is, it's not
really set up for niggas to really make I don't
know how the labels make bread. They do because that's
why they you know what I'm saying, ships and you
know called three sixty. They don't care about I ain't
never been in. Yeah, they don't care about streaming everything.

(55:56):
Merchant going the merch and I'm selling tours, So why
would I give you that? That's the money. That's the money.
So all this other stuff is just advertising to send
you on the road to sell merchant tickets, and then
that's where we get paid from. And then these sponsors
come in. We want not cut because we built you. Yeah, man,

(56:16):
that's what the game is turned. You see that. You
see they got AI artists now, oh yeah, man, it's
about to be yo. People trying to marry. I can't collect.
I can't compete with a singer that you done put
together from the best singers in the world and you
you done basically made a creative player. Yeah yeah, on
one hundred too, attributes everything, Come on, man, your budget

(56:41):
y'are bugging man. Bugger, yo. But I've been hearing you
throughout that us talking. You've been like my fiance a
few times? How long you've been with your fiance. I've
been with Dana since like t into twenty eleven, beginning
twenty twelve. But I knew RS since I knew probably
since like oh six o seven. I met in New

(57:03):
York on a Wednesday night going to club miss. I
can tell you. I can tell you to think she
had on here when the wedding many, I'm playing with them.
I wanted, I want, I wanted. I wanted to do
it this year. She want to do something like she
want to do it on New Year's ship because she wanted,
she says she wanted. Well, don't get mad at it,

(57:23):
he asked me when I get home, don't be like,
why are you telling everybody? Gonnaep it all the way
real with you? She was like, she want every year
when the new year come in, for us to celebrate
another year together. You know that's gonna happen on any
day every year. I ain't gonna lie with my with
my lady. I had to realize, like, and I tell

(57:43):
everybody this this when I realized, like, yeah, I know
I'm gonna be with her forever. Mm hmm. You're gonna
argue with everybody. Hell yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You're going You're gonna go through it with everybody. But
it's been things that you go It's things that you
go through in your life. And when people go through
it with you and you see how they you see
how they come go through it with you, and y'all
come out on the other side, you can evaluate them

(58:07):
and everybody else a little bit different. So so I
got to evaluate this woman with all the other women
I know in my life. I wouldn't mind if I
spent the rest of my life with her. I ain't tripping.
I always tell her, like, Babe, there's no one that
got away, you know, Like sometimes niggas be like, damn,
that's the one that got. I don't have a one

(58:28):
that got That's how I know I'm where I'm at.
I'm good, it's going, and I say, long as the
good out way the bad. My ladies a Gemini, we
argue like crazy. That's a fact. We talk. I'm a
battle rapper. We talk crazy to each other, you know
what I'm saying, But never nothing crazy where you can't

(58:49):
come back from it. You know what I'm saying. I
know what not to say, I know what not to cross.
I know when it's like, man, you bugging grab grab
some sneakers, roll a blunt or two, walk around these states,
and even when you finish, come back. Roll another one
in the garage, Go up to the guest room, sleep

(59:09):
in there, get up, go back to the garage, smoke
another one yo chair. He got the three blood process. No, no, no,
I got. We might have to stretch this out over
two three days. Oh shit, but you ain't never see
me on the story with it in paradise. Nah. That's

(59:32):
what Weed and Walker went for. One of my dogs, Man,
one of my dogs, my man, Debo, man, true brother.
He told me something when I was getting married, man,
like one of the illy shits. Man. Me and my
lady had to argument one time, and he was like, yo, bleak,
Like every woman you're gonna remember you argue with your
You and your moms disagree, you and your sister disagree.

(59:54):
Every woman you meet you're gonna argue with. It's the
one that you can tolerate. What's the argument that you
can feel like? It's not really an argument. I'm just
debating with my partner. That's the one when you know
it's real. And then you said something earlier about your
talk your car getting told. I remember when I first
met my wife. Man, word, I invite out to New York.

(01:00:16):
She's from Philly. I met at the Casino Many. I'm saying,
how to come to New York and shit like, yeah,
we're gonna go to dinner. I I she hit me here.
I'm like, all right, cool, I'm coming downstairs. I was
in the Lower East Side at this time too. I
was at one of the Homies crib. I come downstairs
and I'm outside, like, dude, where's my car? Like gone?

(01:00:42):
They told the motherfucker gone. Now she looking at me
like is he Like what's going on? Right? Nigga, don't
got no car? Remember this is no uber back then,
this ain't no no Let me get on the phone
these Yeah. I had to call car service man. Shout
out Romero been I've been the whole driver forever. He

(01:01:02):
owned the car service out here. He called me one
of the black cars took me to the crib. But
I was so embarrassed, like god damn. And she was
like we never even went on to day. She was
like that sh it ain't about nothing. Yeah she did.
She was like, it's nothing worse. She was like I'm
with you the next day, like come on, let's go
get the car. Yeah. Word is she paid to get
the car like ship. I was supposed to take a

(01:01:24):
new or d and it be little like that. Like that,
you'll be like ship like that. And a lot of
times women I don't want to. I don't want to
a lot of times when I want to get in
trouble for this. But a lot of times I think
women they could be around you for so long and
still not understanding. Like I used to tell my girl
all the time, like babe, listen, I've seen them. Mm hmmm.

(01:01:49):
Trust me. I've been on the road. I've been. I've been.
You know how we said I just want to fuck
every girl. I feel like I almost did it. I'm
telling you, we put a will numbers. You look better
than them. You go to work. That's right. I know
what you look like when you get dressed up. That's
what you look like with the lashes and the hair

(01:02:11):
and the bun with the two strands hanging. I know,
I know, I know what you look like. When you
do it, I be fucking with my wife. I know
what you look ship. They be buying the packs of edges.
I'll be telling wife, I'm gonna buy you a couple
of packs. Baby girl, little girl strands with a little bunny.

(01:02:31):
You know what you look like when you do it.
But I know what they look like when you wake
up in the morning with them. I wake up in
the morning with you every day, and I know what
you look like when you go there. So you ain't
got to be there every day with me. I'm cool
with that, just like I ain't gotta be j Mills
with all the jewels on every day shades on. Like nah,

(01:02:52):
some days let's go catch happy y'all at the Mexican spot. No,
that's everyday. Girls, what I'm saying, they want Mexican every day. Now.
My lady grew up in she said, you from from Philly,
my girl from Cali. She definitely won Mexican. Grew up
in the when the Rodney King riots was going on.
I like getting them. I could get them stories from

(01:03:14):
my lady. That's another thing I learned when I moving
started fires back then, because it was mad fires. They
got up. We're on Jersey. But my lady is like,
I've been living in Cali for ten years. You a
good nigga. I always when you told me that was
out there, Yo, when you told me that, I was like,
you a good nigga. Listen, doctor dre ice Cube ice Tea.

(01:03:36):
I took a page out of their book. What's the page?
All black? All black? What everything? So what that means?
Black hat? L A don't wear the blue Dodgers with
the black Dodgers's what I mean. Black jeans, even throw
some white ears on it. So that respect. Chill, chill stop.
I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. I
hear you. I'm not even gonna let you finish because

(01:04:00):
what they call that over there is you following the politics.
You could call it what you want. That's what they
call it. I know when I give it and my
daughter be watching, Hey, Jesse, Yeah, all that on the
Disney Bunch. You be like, daddy, come that shit play
in New York too? You know that? Right? No? But
I mean, like I make it home. Yeah, I'm just saying,
but I don't you follow real politics like that. I

(01:04:22):
follow whatever godlines is gonna get me home now. But
That's what I mean. Do you follow those guidelines the
American way though you're gonna do it to live in
La But no, no, I do it here too. No
what godlines you following here? There was a time where
if you getting on the train and you don't know
what that red be like your Yankee FITSH shouldn't be red.

(01:04:44):
There was a time. There was a time where you go,
I can't relate. I haven't been on the train since
nineteen ninety seven, when I was in high school in
nineteen ninety last time I was on That's what I'll
be saying. I was probably listening to you when I
was going to school, making sure I my Yankee fit.
It wasn't red. So nigga when asked me what that

(01:05:05):
is that listen? You were with hole. I was on
the three train, you know, in MARSI too. I was
in Brooklyn moving around. We was outside, that's what. But
it was no we I just we had too many
guns around us. Yes, I was on the train. I
was on the train where niggas go. One of my
niggas still ride the train of this day. And hear
real something red, blue, pink, and gray all at the

(01:05:27):
same time. Yeah, but that's not me. I'm trying to
explain this and I'm trying to understand it, but I
don't know. Look why I'm saying that to you, because
when they killed Nipsey in front of his store on
the Lord's Day, my nigga, bro, if you're asking me
if I politics was my bro, they killed your Listen.

(01:05:50):
They they'll do it to their own. So don't think
they won't do it to you just because you just
what they say on some cool ship. But what they say,
the fastest way it happens to you is where you're from. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, They'll do it to my
l A. I remember when I'll be in l A
a lot. You know. I got a lot of homies

(01:06:11):
in LA. We move around LA and niggas be like, yo,
you gotta follow the politics. It's politics out here, bleak
and it's like you can't do this, do that, and
it's like y'all politics everywhere, Like you know, man, y'all
bugging this politics. Take me to Vegas, man, what are
you talking about? I don't even follow America's politics. I'm

(01:06:32):
gonna follow the street my politics sometimes. No, no, no, no,
niggas trying to rob me at Drake video shoot for
best I ever had in Brooklyn on Sunday at a
church in Brooklyn. They're gonna rob you every day. It'sn't
I wasn't following up. You're talking about robbed you on

(01:06:53):
Brooklyn on a Sunday on church. It's a video that
they robbed Power out Care out there with touring the
watch and two chains on smoking a blunt outs where
you was at in Brooklyn? What part of Brooklyn? I'm
gonna tell you right now, because you're not niggas like
you should have called me. Not in Brooklyn. Niggas gonna
kill your big homie too. They don't care. Not that place.

(01:07:14):
I don't know exactly where were a niggas around. Sent
a few niggas over there for me. I remember that day.
You see it, but it was a few niggas made.
I had niggas with me, and I'm of course you're
not thinking I'm going to Drake video. Shit, I'm not
thinking nothing like that. Oh, once again, you're not following.
You're not following politics. What's the politics? You and you

(01:07:36):
a Harlem nigga in Brooklyn with all this jewelry on
and you outside the video the video is being shot
in there, You outside where niggas could just walk up
on you and be like yo, Bigga walked up on me,
say yo, you that rapper kid. Right, that's not because
you ain't following politics. That's because you ain't get your
own access pass. Nah, you should have kept your ass

(01:07:59):
in near at that they shooting the video. Act you
keep your harlem ass. Yeah there, that's that's what you
all over with people where Kanye is directing the video.
Act Listen, you stay your harlem ass. This is what
I try to tell people. Life outside the velvet rope
is only for a select few. Bro me. I never

(01:08:19):
I never enjoyed life behind the velvet rope. I used
to feel like I just enjoyed making it home. Like
I used to feel like we was too fancy shit
too like remember I hung with you, That's what I'm saying.
It was a time we're holding them. We did Justin's,
we did the Remember everything was the elevation with hoving them.
We went from Justine's. I remember when Cheesecake Factory first

(01:08:42):
came out. We used to shut Cheesecake Factory down, going
there and spend ten thousand like niggas a look at cheesecake, Like, yes,
your timeline was, but this is what I'm saying. But
then it got at the time when Jay and them
became that vegetarians, when they was just the Fish Committee,
and it was like, I'm not hanging and with them.
I don't eat fish. I still want a burger. And

(01:09:03):
then when I got on a fish life, it was like, Okay,
I can fuck with your niggas again. But then now
they eat plants, flowers, flowers. My nigg got need real food.
These niggas is different. Just like you went from the
burger to the at some point, I'm not vegetarian, but
I eat fish. I still need that burger dog and

(01:09:25):
that real cheese. I'm not getting no fish. You think
i'ma go over here and get a green bean burger,
I'm gonna get a real burger man. Yeah, I don't
need a black bean burger. Look shout out to Kevin
Hart right. Me and my lady. We was in Cali
one day, so we saw Kevin Hart joint. So I'm like, oh,
let's go support, let's go pull into Kevin Hart joints.

(01:09:45):
I pull into this, I'm looking at the men, I'm like,
I'm like, miss, are these is this like real? No?
Colie Flower, Chase said, no, this is all us. I said, Oh, okay,
thank you, you have a good day. I put that
bitch in drive and pull right about that motherfucker driver,
like I know, not to the vegans, but fuck is
going on. Man, We're not here for long. I'm gonna

(01:10:08):
enjoy this ship. Man that we're not here for long.
But no if if But back the way, we were saying, yes,
I do make sure I respect where I'm at, because
this is one thing I always say. All you had
to do is have one Brooklyn nigga with you. He told, Yo, Son,
you bugging with you? Yo, you want to be outside.
Niggas going to hit you in the ad. But listen,

(01:10:29):
I'm not following. I'm too comfortable. I'm young. But no
politics in Brooklyn. It's just know where you're at and
know who you are. It's true. But when you Harlem,
you got two strikes already. Nah, they don't know where
you're from. You want to do this right here on
this platform. Yeah, so you're trying to tell me, Harlem,
niggas is we're just good in Brooklyn. You should be

(01:10:51):
good anywhere you're going. See you not answering the question
I said. You trying to tell me Harlem, Niggas just
we're just good in Brooklyn. It's good or we we
gotta make a call and let me all right, you
want me to be truthful and honest with you. They're
not just say life outside the velvet rope is for
a select right. They're not just say that right, you

(01:11:15):
know what, hall them Nigga is part of that select
few who good in Brooklyn. Not a lot of Jim Jones,
Jim Jones sleeping in the Bentley, but not everybody. It's
not for everybody the streets. This is what be trying
to explain that. That's why you got not for everybody.
You gotta follow pro No, no, you just don't live

(01:11:37):
there then, man, like I'm not moving some now if
they tell me right now, yo, bleak, you want to
move to Kentucky, Nigga, you gotta shovel hey, or you
gotta wrap some of this hay up or they gonna
ride on you. Man, They're gonna have to ride. Nigga
not fucking tieing, no hay out nice. So you're gonna
be out there wrapping the hair up like fuck it.

(01:11:58):
My horses gotta eat. It depends, it depends. Now, look,
my daughter, my daughter was born. I told you my
lady from Cali. My daughter was born in Cali, right,
So I wanted to make sure your brothers, that's that's got.
She had the older brother. My lady got. Make sure
you're good. Cool. Her brothers they ain't look, they ain't tired. No,
she she Muslim? Her family is they they really? They tapped.

(01:12:22):
They tapped in on the muzzles and shock my man
brother ic the f O I s. So this is
why I'm telling you they tapped. I definitely don't need to.
I don't play because if it goes left, it's gonna
go bad. And you supposed to let it go all
the way. No, I just want to take my daughter
yoga Land. I just want to take my daughter to

(01:12:43):
yogurt land and bring the dispensary and bring my ass home.
Come on in the Florida with me, man Oh I was,
I was. I was in Florida. You know where I left.
You know where I left? Wow? Because my daughter was
born in Calli and I had a balcony on the
forty eight floor, and I was wilding the balcony went

(01:13:04):
from the bedroom to the living room. I was wiling.
They shoot wild corn in Miami. Oh my god, I
was washing. I was willin'. I had to get out
of there. So when I got to Cali, it's like,
and I tried to come back, but there's I came
only in Jacksonville. In Jacksonville, you better watch your ass. Jacksonville, Jacksonville, Memphis,

(01:13:30):
all that. It's weird. But it's no protocol though. It's
just called either you involved or you not. You know
what I think it is with me? I always moved
is different. Even when I lived in Miami. I moved
like that too, because it's certain. It's certain ways you
gotta move in Miami too. It's a certain little it's
certain niggas would be out there and they run down
on you like that's every city. That's why I said,

(01:13:52):
you gotta follow yo. You know you could be yo.
You know you could be a malleable in a surfer
hit you in the ad too, if he kept you
slipping right like, it's called slipping. Nah, Yes, La is different.
It's called slipping. I don't care where you at it's you.
You you in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing,
and the right nigga catch you, hes gonna get you.

(01:14:13):
That's just it. Bro. La is different. I'll see you
following protocol. So you could tell me I'm driving, I'm
gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I treat La
how people treat Delaware. What's Delaware? No? For you just
drive through, spin through? No, I take all the highways
and did you just did you ever get off the

(01:14:34):
Highway of Delaware and be like, Yo, I'm go this
restaurant over here. N I don't have no reason to
be there. This is what I'm saying. That's how I
treat l A. I pick up a bag and I'm
going to Vegas. Yeah, but your family not my family
in La. Move them. No, my family was in Brooklyn.
I moved them. I tried to come back to the
Tri State area. I came back to the Tri State area. No,

(01:14:59):
after living in f living in Florida, and then when
my daughter was born, I tried to come. I tried
to I tried to do that. You know that, Jose,
hear you you keep going back to my daughter like, yeah,
I'm doing this for my daughter. Helen. But you made
J Johnsons play pause, no making you followed protocl Look,
I'm look, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell where
I'm mat. I'm gonna tell you this. Listen, we gotta

(01:15:21):
get J Mills. No more protocol for JA. He don't
even know the protocol. I'm gonna tell you some he
just dressing it. But I'm gonna tell you something. I'm
gonna tell you I had a Yankee. I had a Yankee.
Fill a nigga. Thought I was rolling sixties. Yees see
Kenvin Web New York Yankees. Now listen to that. You
listening to that. You're a Mets hat wearer. You never

(01:15:43):
had a Mets hat in your life. You can't wear Mets.
I'm not like Orange can't wear. You can't wear no
hat with a logo in California. Man, that's probably the
safest logo that a nigga might be able to wear
on his cap when you in California. Right there, that's
probably the safest logo because ain't no only niggas who banging.
That is y'all some richness. It's playing gang were about
to start playing gang niggas respect side. But we all.

(01:16:09):
I know we're joking right now. By jokes side. When
my daughter was born, and like I used to make,
I had to make a choice with a lot of ship.
And I always say this, I might have missed out
on like a lot of like All Star weekends or
Super Bowls or you know, you feel like, Damn, I
supposed to be at the BT Award this weekend, but
I'm doing this blah blah blah blah blah. And you
look back on it, You're like, Damn, you ain't missed
no recitals, you ain't missing graduations, you ain't miss no.

(01:16:32):
It's like, yeah, you can have your daughter in Harlem. Yeah,
that's little Mills, that's a little nigga. You don't want
to be in Harlem, That's right. So what you're gonna
raise you're just because you grew up in Harlem. That
don't mean your daughter deserved to grow up in Harlem.
I'ay no, no, I'm not saying you. I'm not saying you.
I'm saying like, this is just my mentality as in
Carolina can be out there shooting up like my family,
my whole famius move gun. You ain't got no guns

(01:16:55):
in La. Yeah, but no, no, no, no, listen to me.
I don't have any guns in California. All right, I'm
gonna put some in his house. Y'all know who he's
about to happen. Listen, this is for promotional use. Whatever
you say for promotion only disclaim my dad two or three,

(01:17:21):
you know what I'm saying. And then you know, I
gotta introduce you to my cousin out there. You know,
you know, you know it's funny to you know, it's
funny too. I enjoy living in California. It's funny, shi,
it's nice a ship. Paul, give me, give me, give
me like this is the chapter of my life where
I'm at like you had the Harlem chapter, Miami chapter,
the young Money chapter. Uh, the chapter where you know

(01:17:42):
you're going through it, where your child is born and
you're in the first couple of years and you don't
know if your lady gonna make it. You don't know
if you're gonna make it with her, So you go
through that. You try to live in Miami, try to
do you try to live in Jersey because this is
where we're from. We both yea, you'd be like, you
know why we do that? We all go to Jersey.
Nobody go Cali. But because I moved her here from
from When I moved her here from Cali, I said,

(01:18:03):
you know, move to New York, you know, move to Jersey.
We living in Jersey just wasn't right. And I was watching,
you know how you watch your lady and you like, damn,
she only she only going through this shit because I
told her too, she only going through this shit. You're
me for me. So I was like, you know what,
she tried that shit for me. I make my money

(01:18:23):
on the road anyway, so I could I could try Cali.
You know what I'm saying. I make I don't make
my money just in one state. No matter where I live,
I gotta get on a flight. They got your bag,
you know what I'm saying. I could go anywhere. So
when I went out there, it was like, damn, you
kind of away from everything, you get to breathe, you
know what I'm saying. It ain't like eighteen floor projects.
It ain't like it ain't like everything is close everything.

(01:18:45):
You could go to the beach on Christmas if you want,
and just think about some shit that was new to me,
you know what I'm saying. And and to be real
to you. When I first moved to Cali in twenty fifteen,
at that time, we wasn't legal in New York, so
I was like, oh shit, you could just body shit
over counter and walk out n bring it to and
shit like that. I'm never going back. Yeah, they bring
it to the crib. You were a biggie. Rather it

(01:19:07):
became legal at some point. But when I realized that
I can go get weed over a counter and I
can go smell shit niggas like a little museum. I
don't have to stuff this ship in my box of
briefs or dykeman and try to put a jar in
a sock. You got a jar in your sock, you
might as well put the shit in your pocket when
the cops pull you over. As a fact, I was like,
I'm never going back, you know what I'm saying. Then

(01:19:28):
I had my surgery out there. Yeah, man, you know
I heard about that man talk about I had. I
had a tumor growing on the top of my vocal
cords in like twenty fifteen, so I had to get
a surgery to get that ship removed. But I was
ready to stop rapping and all that. Wow, man, God,
bless you back. Man, got surgery back there, Bro, And
I don't know, I think Cali just be like a
piece of mind for me, But I make sure I

(01:19:49):
come back here. Don't get it twisted. Humble. I love humbling.
It's humbling. It's some of the clients shit you ever
going to see in your life in California, Los Angeles
saying Francisco Oakland has some of the best times of
my life. I just sink the shift. I was there
before the East West Coast, you know what I mean,
I was going to LA when they treated us like

(01:20:11):
when you land in London like you was a fucking alien.
Like that was like, man, you know what I'm saying that, Like,
what was that like? Because I wasn't. I was a
kid and I was on the block during the East
Coast West I was a kid too, Bro, Like was
you was you still? Like when when when Pak was
saying all that Hawaiian sofa and he was like saying,
we was going to LS what I'm saying before that,

(01:20:31):
we was going to LA. But what was it like?
And then during that time, Bro, it was militant like
after the biggie shit with Pop God bless both of
their souls, Bro, Death Jim wouldn't even allow us to
go to La without having a security guard posted up
with you all day every day. It was times when
I was in La, renting cars, just riding around Dolo,

(01:20:52):
just like this, I'll just go to Waffle, Well, let's
go to Rosco and Chicken over here, Let's go over here,
let's go to watch, let's go to Slaws. So let's
go doing everything everything and nothing was nothing. And then
after that East West ship, Bro, it was like, now
we need security. Now you need to tap in with
a local nigga, a gang member. Then you talking to
these niggas, this nigga, that nigga. Yo, you gotta meet

(01:21:14):
with the O G hit the pass over here and
it just came too much. It's like, yo, bro, I'm
not doing this in no city. I'm going to Why
am I doing it crazy? It's like it ain't like
that when we go here, when we go here, like
we gotta go, it almost makes me feel like nah dog,

(01:21:35):
I'm like nah nah, I just say if that's what
it is, this fucking I just ain't it. I'm cool,
I skip it, But I love La. They got the
best weed. You're kidding me. Man, the best weather the
beaches is crazy. It's just it be little things like that.
I'll be like, Damn, I could go to the beach
on Christmas. I could ship that. And then it's like, well,

(01:21:56):
and I know we just joking talking about this shit,
but it's like, when you really think about it, it's like, damn, bro,
what you're gonna do in New York? New York? You
got the business, you get your money. I tell people,
But it's in New York. It's so much more to
the world than That's what I try. No, that's a fact.
But a lot of our niggas and you gotta think

(01:22:16):
about this. I'm gonna tell you. It's it's three sides
to New York, and a lot of our niggas only
low the one side. So what what's the three sides?
It's three sides in New York, Bros. You when you
fucked up and you from poverty, the project, you're trying
to make it, you're on the block, hustling. It's that
underworld that you know, the shootouts, the bangouts, the ship
you talking about, the raisors, on the train doing your thing.

(01:22:39):
Then when you first start getting money, it's the other side.
Now you're in Dumbo. Now you in fucking you coming
downtown money you in the pause pause the meatpacking district.
You know what I'm saying. You hanging on that side.
But did that? I don't They would out then yo.

(01:23:02):
Then from there right then, when you first chaste, get
to taste the money, bro, you realize that the money
is separated in the city. Yes, you realize then it's
the third level. When you start doing shit only on
the east side, you realize, I'm over the west side.
The west side is where the hood. That damn, my nigga.

(01:23:22):
You know it's crazy that you said this. I was
just talking to one of my homies, a man Steve
that I went to high school. I went to the
high school Art and Design. Still talk to him every day, right,
and I was telling him. I was like, Damn, when
I come back to New York, it's crazy. We stumbled
on this combo, my nigga, But I was like, it's
crazy when I come back to New York. Now, I
be feeling like I be bored, maybe because I've been

(01:23:44):
I've been outside since I was like fifteen. I met
Tony Naja mis in them at fifteen I was at
Willie's at fifteen. There's all the young money shitting. So
now when I come back to New York, I don't
want to go to the hookah spot. No, I like
to smoke weed. I don't want to go to the
hip clubs because I grew up with gambling stuff, so
I don't know how to throw my money. I know
how to get not the knock it. It's just so

(01:24:08):
different now. And I started thinking. I was like, you
know what I think it is. I think I gotta
change the people that I'm around. That's a fact act.
So when you say that third level where it's like
you go from, it's like this the east side the ship.
That the reason why you're bored when you come back home.
Sometimes you're still trying to do ship that you might
have been doing. I grew already and you know, you

(01:24:29):
got survivors remorse, and now you feel like you want
to go back and still be It's crazy you said that.
It's like, damn man, I was just feeling like, bro,
it's clubs in the city. Niggas don't even know about
underground boot like my nigga, when I tell you, it's
another level of this city. That you gotta have at
that point, big, at this point, that's where I got it.

(01:24:50):
I got it. Wow, will you like my nigga? I'm
telling you, I'm I'm just getting invited to the door
of the door like I knew where it was at
what they like glee you ain't welcome here Like now
we could go up to the door because they letting
me look and be like, oh ship, my man in
there too. They like bleak a few more months, you

(01:25:11):
could be in here too. It's that level. I'm telling you, bro,
I'm telling you that's why when you said that, I
was like, damn, I was just New Yorkers. It's three
sides of New York. Now you can really enjoy, especially
when you give through the eyes of hole. Think we
don't like the traffic wide we the one behind the
wheel hole sitting in the back of that may bag.

(01:25:32):
He ain't even yeah ankle ain't even got ain't even
doing all that ship on the break in the gas
right here, whatever I want, smoke a jang mino Braham
in the air. We're good. So the traffic don't affect him.
Then you're pulling up in your building that you won't
pay house it's a different vibe. When it's time to eat.

(01:25:54):
I'm not going on the West side. On the east side,
we're going to the We're going to Central Park West.
It's restaurants in them buildings. You know, you never even
can't even get in. No, we don't have to at tire. Yeah.
And I'm like this, watch clubs in New York City
that you can't get in. Yeah, my man Smoke Dizzel
had took me to a secret like weed club just

(01:26:15):
shot my man smoke business. By jeez. It was I'm like, oh,
this is like this is some ship that and I
started going. When I come back to the city, there's
some secret shout. Nobody really know where it's at. Bros.
This city is a lot. It's just going on. You
gotta adapt, you gotta now. Man. For me to live
in New York City, I need that fifty million wing

(01:26:35):
was chasing. That's what I'm saying about. And I can
live in the third chain right now. I know how
to go there. I can't live there. I go visit.
Say what up to a couple homies? Your money? You
know probably like you're you're not raising your daughter, ain't Marsie?
Right now? Never like not then either my son either.

(01:26:58):
Even when I was a kid, they couldn't come if
they was born when I was there with them. No,
that's how I feel. I feel. I feel like when
you you you supposed to see, show your kids better
than what you saw see. And that's when I look
at my son, my son twenty two years old. I
raised my son with the mentality and the mindset of
I wanted him to be the version of the man

(01:27:23):
that I felt the streets took from me that I
could I could have been if I would have stayed
on that track facts, you know what I mean. So
when I look at my son, he's like the alternate universe,
the universe version of me, like that would That's how
the benefit has followed all the rules and and he's
a he's a great kid. Like I love it. So

(01:27:44):
when I look at that, it's like I wouldn't trade
that for the world. Bro. I love that my son
can walk like a normal citizen, don't have to worry
about no probation. You know, I've been got call like
I get phone calls from my son and his his
thing is your dad, what train in Germany should I
take from dust off that takes me over here. It's like,

(01:28:07):
that's how it's supposed to be. You know what I'm saying,
that's supposed to I want to get I don't want
to call your dad. I think I need a lawyer. Man.
You know, I was fighting my girl like you know
what I mean, ship like that, even even when we
was living in because I was living in LA and
then well my lady she got a son from a
previous relationship. But I don't I don't like to say
it's my step son. You know what I'm saying, that's
your son. Yeah, so fat. When he was about to

(01:28:29):
go to high school, I was on some ship, like dad,
we got to move out of LA because I don't
want him going to high school and in the inner
city of l A. You know what I'm saying. I
don't want him have to follow politics, real talk, real
no all jokes aside. I don't want him to have
to be at the bus stop he don't worry about. Yeah, chrome,
hearts might be the wrong color his he might have

(01:28:52):
a Cleveland Indians hat on, and that you're not supposed
to have that hat on over here. That's they that's
like a thirty block away hat. You're supposed to wear
that over there. He don't need to go through that.
He play football. So let's move ten minutes from Disneyland.
I don't kill Nobody said you moved the way out there? No, no, no,
you're right, yes, yes you scared, terrified. Yeah, I'm terrified,

(01:29:15):
but you know what, you know what I also am.
I'm trying to say, trying to get used to not
hearing no siren, no a law note, that's right, ambulance,
the fire truck bus. Ain't nobody on the corner. Really,
it ain't really no sidewalks. It's just houses with the grass.
If you want to walk, you walk in the street. Yo, bro,
that makes me feel. That makes me a little better

(01:29:36):
than any album I could have ever put out. Bro. Yo, Bro,
my first time moving out the hood. Bro. Listen, I
tell you one of the Ellis stories. Yo, listen. My
first house I bought. I bought it, my first house.
I was nineteen and uh and what was it? Leon?
Not Leon? Yeah, it was Old Bridge, New Jersey Bridge

(01:29:57):
Old Bridge, New Jersey. Right. So this is when I
was with my baby moms at the time, and I
remember we got in a big argument, shoot to get
up and go to work, and in the morning the
phone will always ring. This is when we had house
phones landlines. The phone will always ring early in the morning.
I'm answering the phone. That's people trying to sell me shit. Yo,
we got on this, Yeah, tell the market this. So

(01:30:19):
I call up and I'm bitching, yo, Yo, why you
ain't signing up for all this bullshit? Like I don't
want to buy none of this dumb shit. Fuck you
got all these people calling the crib. I'm in the crib, sleep,
stop signing up for this shit. People calling so listen
and trying to sell me shit. And you know what
she said to me, This is when I realized I
never had money before because I'm like, yo, when I

(01:30:40):
was in the hood, these motherfuckers never called nothing, no
solicit to that. She said. You know why number wasn't
radar because they knew you ain't have no money in
the hoods you got a house. I didn't give the
number out to nobody. They got the numbers listed. They
just I'm like, oh, you start putting shit shit together,
like this is what it's like when you get some chicken.
They on you, like, we got these credit cards you

(01:31:02):
want to come get We got this off on these
ties start you start learning in real time. Yeah, learning
in real time, and like that's all. When we were
talking earlier and I was talking about that breakfast in
the club and the breakfast club interview that you did,
and I was like, I took I took Heed to
that one line that you see, you know what I'm saying,
And it was like, you never stopped working, you know

(01:31:22):
what I'm saying. You're gonna keep grinding, You're gonna keep
trying to figure it out. But coming from where we
come from, it's like, yo, when the music, when the
music stopped and you have to figure out something. Now,
sometimes it might be like the music might be slowing up.
I'm talking about whining when when as an artist you
feel like it's over, you know, so like I'm forcing

(01:31:45):
it right, you know what I'm saying. But every artists
been to that point where you started gonna force it
because we don't know how to retire. We never seen
rappers be to this. On if I was telling niggas
the other day, fifty year old rappers when I was young,
name looked like nas No, hell no, they would they
look nothing like these niggas all pocket squares with plaid

(01:32:07):
shirts on, with flannel catli crazy blue blockers. Niggas ain't
looked like hoving nads in these niggas, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like we were we're at with
it now just seeing with uh, with everything that you're
doing with the podcast and everything, seeing everything that Gilly
doing with the podcast and Whilo and Nori and Joe.
I was telling my man, I'm like, yo, every even

(01:32:28):
Cam and Mason, everybody that's doing something right now in
the media space, it has nothing to do with what
I know y'all for when I was hanging niggas pictures
of the ball and all that shit, and I'm pretty
sure everybody I just named they went through that point
of feeling like, damn, is this ship? Like this ship?

(01:32:49):
Is this what it feels? Is this it? You know
what I'm saying. Like, And then you turn around the
niggas is getting eight figure deals. I'll be telling people like, yo,
y'all know what an eight figure deal is? You here,
Cam and Mas got an eight you know, bigga deal?
They killed. I don't think you willow all of them
they killed. I don't know if Cam or Mace ever
got an eight figure deal in Music World or Confessions

(01:33:10):
and Figures. I had all of those albums they did.
You know what, I'm telling you that radio figure deal
for you like you gotta deal with you, not you.
But I'm saying like there was an artist, there was
artists getting like eight figure record deals. Yes you heard you.
Ain't saying I walk in death jam like give me
fifty million or I'm gonna quick Yeah. Right, But I

(01:33:32):
don't think Mace and Cam was getting that bag. Trust.
While I could be wrong, Trust but even with me
saying and I could be wrong, then getting that bad
probably was getting it. And I'm completely wrong. Trust. What
I'm saying is the field. Let's just say the field now,
everybody in the field got that. I don't want to
make it seem like a Cam and Mason. I'm trying

(01:33:54):
to make a point here. Wallow and Gilly just got
the major bag from Bostea Wow putting no music out.
So I'm I don't want to make it a Mason
Camp thing because he dropping versus he dropping major a
Copella verses though his verses is going harder than some
of these niggas solved. So yo, while I'm gonna tell you, y'all,
I learned so much from everybody I just named, too, right,

(01:34:15):
I learned so much from just watching niggas. Like I remember,
I heard Wilow say some shit like and he probably
didn't mean to say it like that, but I forgot
who he was doing an interview when he says some
shit like, Yo. Our first sponsorship was I told them
I want y'all to give us twenty million or I
mean twenty thousand for a month, four episodes a month,

(01:34:36):
so it'd be five. And I'm like, oh, I'm doing
this shit all wrong. I'm being nice with the prices.
That's right these niggas is, but that's the game. But
a lot of niggas right now, they don't like when
I was saying that zero points zero zil six, I
was giving that analogy for the free throw. A lot
of niggas don't understand that that's that's what they're working for,

(01:34:58):
you know what I'm saying. They don't understand that they
could do this. Yeah, but not a niggas ain't here
with it yet. See, this is the thing they need
to understand. It ain't even that you're working for I'm
gonna put that into perspective. You're not working for the
zero zero zero zero point six. Don't ever think that,
And no artists out this should ever think that. You
know what you're working for me. You're a brand. Bro

(01:35:19):
Oh no, of course, of course you're a brand. Of course,
and that zero point sit whatever, that sixth sense, don't
that's just a fraction of what your brand is. Now
it's for you to develop your brand and go make
your brand what it's worth. You're one hundred percent right,
so you working for your brand. I used to say,
you know what I mean I was saying. I was saying,
like music used to be Music used to be the tree. Y,

(01:35:42):
So what you're saying is one hundred percent right. Music
used to be the tree, and I feel like music
was all of our tree. But now music is just
a branch on the tree. We are the tree, You're
the Korean brand. It's just an exit off. Like to me,
I feel like everybody want to do media. Everybody can't
do media. It's the same thing with rap. It's a

(01:36:05):
lot of podcasts in the world. Anything in the world
is not for everybody. So at some point every artist
is gonna run into that point where they feel like
they ain't checking for me. No more, dog, I gotta
make that transition. This was not on my on my
menu when I when I felt like I wanted to

(01:36:25):
make that transition. You know what I'm saying. My first
thing when rap was over was my baby do say?
You know what I'm saying. You was moving with it
and that and that had to I had to take
the major humble pill with this because remember I'm used
to going in the back door in the club, getting
the brown bag and hitting that was that point where you, yes,
I said, every rapper get to that point where they

(01:36:47):
be like, damn, is this it? Yes? That and it was,
and I knew it was over. They not checking for me.
I have to find a way to pay these bills.
I feel like what you're saying is completely right, And
I just had a thought real quick. I think with
a lot of niggas, like when you say you was
at that point, a lot of niggas get to that
point and they know it, but they never experienced it yet.

(01:37:11):
I think because I be noticing that too, I'll be
asking a lot of myself, Damn, why is a lot
of niggas still chasing this because and because they never
They wasn't on the Dynasty album Don't wasn't that no
hold on on. They wasn't big in My Trouble or
what they wasn't a They wasn't making the band with
the Fuck You Verse. They didn't get a chance to
do every girl in the world of Bedrocks. So when

(01:37:32):
you looking at them, like, Bro, you could be doing
way more with just you as who you are, as
the brand. They looking at it like it's easy for
you to say that Mills, it was with Lil Wayne
and draking them nigga. Yeah, but they think and it's
nigga look at you and be like, yeah, that's easy.
It would be if they make the call for you

(01:37:52):
and trying to put niggas on and tell them like, yo,
I know what you chasing. I'm not trying to shoot
on you and tell you don't do it. I'm just
telling you. It's so different. Now that's a minor piece
of the puzzle. Bro. That used to be the whole puzzle.
Music used to be the everything, everything, but now it's
just a branch on the tree. You the tree, and

(01:38:14):
you have to figure out what your niche is because
Like I said, I had to learn liquor ain't for everybody.
I tried to do. The clothing thing. I'm not a designer,
you know what I'm saying. I'm not a designer. Didn't
work for me. Like I had no idea this was
gonna work. So I'm just this shocked. There's anybody else
that singing shown you're great and you tell stories without

(01:38:36):
shitting on a nigga. That's my whole thing. I don't.
That's what I try to do too, bro, That's what
they look for. That yes, and that's what I wanted
to bring. When Noriy was telling me, Yo, you gotta
do the part. People fuck with you. They want to
hear from you. They like when you talk, and my
thing was, Nori, I would do it, don't get me wrong,
But I'm not coming on this platform to ship on niggas,

(01:38:56):
even niggas that I genuinely don't fuck with. I'm just
I'm not gonna turn on this camera and kick them
niggas while they down or throw a shot at them
when they up. That's just not who I am. Following.
The politics, I ain't following no no politics. My nigga
ain't no politics because if I was following the politics,
it's more already time. You feel me. But I'm just

(01:39:18):
not in that. I feel like I even say it
in my music. Bro. We all from the bottom, we
all trying to get there. So if we got a problem,
I deal with that. When I see you, I'm not
gonna shoot on your craft, your talent, your music, your show,
whatever you got going on to pay the bills and
feed your kids. Come on, bro, I want niggas to eat.

(01:39:39):
That's what's working for you. You feel me. I'm not
against nobody, but it's a lot of niggas who just
picked my name out that hat feel like, fuck it.
We ain't. We ain't avoiding no smoke on this side,
but we ain't picking and we ain't starting. No. I
ain't with it, bro. It's like I'm a most fitty
my nigga. I've been through that. So it's like, and
that's a that's My birthday was last week. Happy belated,

(01:40:01):
Happy belated. You said, I appreciate you, my brother. That
I always tell you know what. I was telling a
bunch of my homies every day when I was at
the bakery the tenth year University. I'm shot out to
bakers see niggas. I went to elementary school and all that,
Like I just turned forty three. Oh shit, man, that's
what's up. Man. You're on the fourth floor. Soon you're
about to get that back forty five cause back room,
upper room. Serious. So I'm seeing niggas right that. I

(01:40:23):
went to elementary school that you grow in, and I'm like, damn, man,
good to see you. I was like, Yo, it's just
good to see you. He's like, Yo to me, I'm like, Yo,
my nigga, you ain't in jail, you're dead. You here
if I could still see you and give you a
dap and say what up, my nigga? And we in
our fourth chapter, that's a blessing. Hell yeah, nigga, We
was gonna make it to the second. I tell niggas

(01:40:44):
all the time. I used to me and Wayne. I
used to always tell Wayne, it's like, Yo, my nigga,
Big ain't big, would have gave anything to be my age,
would have gave anything to say, Yo, bleak, I'm forty three,
easy e pun. It's then name niggas fuck go on
for days. Any of my niggas, man, from the my

(01:41:05):
niggas that died, they didn't get a chance to get
great forty three, be like, Yo, my son about to
get his license, Your son about to get his license.
You mean to tell me you raised somebody that ain't
in jail, that ain't got you. He ain't about to
like how you said. He ain't calling for no lawyer fees,
like he had school in another country. He got a passport.
That's a fact. I know. Niggas. Ship that ain't got

(01:41:27):
a passport. They don't know what it's like to go
through customs and ship like that on the block who
got more money between just like my nigga that that's
a fact. The landlord want this, And now it's to
the point where the school wants this. You want to
keep your daughter, your son in that school. They want

(01:41:48):
this every thirty days. So what you're gonna do to
do it? What you're gonna do to get it? And
sometimes it be like, I can't play with you niggas.
You don't want to feel like you like you said,
you outgrown niggas, And sometimes you get that survivors remorse, Well,
you still want to be cool with the niggas you
grow with you look back forty I don't want to
niggas don't want to I don't want to be cool.
If niggas don't want to be cool, I don't want

(01:42:10):
to be cool either. I'm cool with the breeze. I'm
going with my wife, my daughter, my son, my riders,
married men too, And you gotta come to the way.
I come to the way said that invite there. I'm
not performing though. We just were just gonna play. We play.
We're just gonna play. Do my you know what I'm saying.

(01:42:33):
We're gonna let her right and like that, because there's
enough that me and my lady, me and my lady Dad,
we being a look, my lady, my lady Dana. That's right,
one of the biggest Memphis bleaking Manuch love man. My
lady got the fucking Rockefeller tank top, she says, she yeah,
she says she got it from speed on a Sunday night.

(01:42:55):
When you perform that is I'm gonna take a picture
of it. I'm gonna say, you can pray that's the
sh in the cryst the white one with the blue letters. Right, Yeah,
I know, I remember that SHIPM got this ship in
the fred So just to just to have moments like that,
it's like like, yo, bro, when you getting married, It's like, nah,

(01:43:18):
I want to get married because I feel like my nigga.
I want my kids to know, like Daddy and mom,
this is what we this is all we know. Like
I don't have a picture with my moms and my pops.
I never prayed with my moms and my pops. I
never seen my moms and my pops hugged. I never
ate together with my moms in my pops. So for

(01:43:39):
me to be in my kids life like that, I
already did some ship that my pops. I never spent
the night under the roof with my moms and neither
neither have you know what I'm saying. So a lot
of the ship that would make me like that, it
makes me like I want to be like you know
what I'm saying. I had different reasons Like me as
a kid, I used to dream of having a big family.

(01:43:59):
I didn't have a big family. I'm from such a
small many brothers and sisters. I only got two brothers
and two sisters. I got one brother, you know what
I'm saying. But I mean like I only got one aunt,
I mean two aunts, one uncle. You know what I mean.
Both my aunts passed my uncle, and like my family
was small. It was Marsie and then it was Brownsville.

(01:44:20):
That's as far as my family went. Okay, it was
Rockaway Avenue and Flushed Ava. That's it. It's all you knew.
So when I used to go back to school and
all my friends' kids be like, yo, what you did
this summer? And they'd be like, oh, I was in Virginia.
I was in North Carolina. Got the ink well like,
and they'd be like, get to me, and it's like
I was in Brownsville. Teacher be looking like, God, damn,

(01:44:41):
big your most died. Take your like. Now, I went
from bars the Browns I spent my son in Brownsville.
They're like, oh ship. So that used to make me
feel like, damn, I ain't got no family out of town,
no aunts, no uncles, nothing. Yeah, like I want my
kids to experience that. So when I had my daughter,

(01:45:02):
like when I got married, man, I knew my wife
like I was going with her to see her dad,
God rest, you know, his soul, God blessed to get
his permission, you know, let him know, marrying his daughters,
doing it, you know the right way. Yeah, you'a got
married two thousand and four. Oh man, yeah, you I

(01:45:22):
gotta call you more. No, No, two thousand and thirteen. Yeah,
I'm bugging two thousand about say two thousand and four,
I gotta call you more like, God damn you got
some insight. No twenty fourteen, God damn buggein we got
married twelve thirteen four Still that's the date, Jack, thirteen fourteen. Yes,
that's the date we got man, I'm bugging. That's what
do we do. That's the effects ladies, And don't get

(01:45:45):
your mind right, yo, listen. So twelve fourteen, So I
went with her down you know, to visit her dad
and ship to get permission, and bro, like the family
was just like two hundred people down there. It's like, yo,
all is your family? And she like, yeah, you were
just amazing and everything. It is like wait, whoa, whoa
everybody from this part, that part, this, that, this, everywhere,

(01:46:07):
everybody owned businesses, houses here, this that. I'm like, they
fucking deep then and she's like, yeah, this ain't even
my mom's side, it's my dad's side. Then on the
Christmas we went to mom's side in Philly and it's
flooded over there. It's like this is what it is. Yeah,
my kid coming in this family, my kid gonna be

(01:46:28):
traveling around the world like this, moving around and I
always wanted that. So that's what the life I wanted
to give my kids, you know what I mean? My
son that just that that just happened. That wasn't It's
one of those what's my dog? But it happened. I
was twenty four years old. I was outside. Yeah, oh cool.

(01:46:51):
I mean, niggas gave you a Dutch They got you
ready because and I'm look man, look we can't click
us out, yo, niggas. I had a whole surgery and
smoking dutchess what one pa sorry to not follow because
me and my dogs over here. You know, it's cousin.
It's blood in New York and when we go there
because blad blood cause I got I got my family

(01:47:14):
that are crips, and I have cousins, so you literally
have bloods. So you have literal cous blood and blood cousins.
Don't say that in La Joe now, you know, you
know you know what's crazy about like about like me,
I've always been like low, like even when I was

(01:47:36):
living in Miami. You know who the fuck with see
you know who not the fuck with even when you're
in New York. As I started becoming J. Mills, it's
like now when you go out the duvet on Thursday
or Sunday, take your Harlem niggas with. Don't you don't
know what these niggas is involved. Because I was a guy.
I was a true believer of being caught up in
ship niggas, seeing niggas in the club. You're on seven days,
seven nights. I got popping down net like yo, nggs,

(01:47:58):
I'm gonna get youna loan. You like five Lower east
Side niggas and like two Brooklyn niggas. So you're good.
So you ain't got a follow no protocols or politics
out here. Don't know out here, you know. My little
man the other day bud Out, I was going to
I was going to get a haircut. I was gonna
get a haircut. So I was going to my man
Kenny get a haircut. And it's my little brother's homie.

(01:48:19):
So we walking around the corner. He like, he's like, yo,
you're not gonna drive the rental. I'm like right, like nah,
I've been I'm all. I've been living. I lived on
East Hall and West hallm wash Heights. I am. I
don't owe nobody nothing, that's right. Nobody ain't looking for me. Yeah,
I'm not. I don't live like that. I don't live
that type of life where I can't go to the
barber shop talk about the knicks or this or that.

(01:48:43):
I'm not going to no, not saying that the gun
is under the apron. Listen, the gun is under the apron.
But I can't but but that. But but the fact
that you can't. Yeah, you know you're always gonna need
to make sure you're right. Yeah, don't get a twisted.
I don't move around like it can't happen to me.
But I think niggas just be a the see Mills
in the store order. I just told you I got

(01:49:05):
one with the like we. I think I might have felt.
The Illis Chop cheese spot in New York City be
on Pitt right over here fire. I ain't gonna give
up the location cause niggas not fucking up my spot
in Brooklyn farming the Delhi, I love it. But the
line be around the black. You gotta mess everything up,

(01:49:25):
TikTok and mess everything up. I want to. I want
to ask you, what's your what's your favorite three songs
that you ever did? Like your favorite? Not not that
that you feel like you got busy on, like because
I heard you talking about Hypnotic one time. Hypnotic you got.
I always used to love change up, I get high
right down. I listened to that. I listen, I get

(01:49:49):
high right down to nine five and holler is like
one and the same to me, Like, that's that's not favorite,
that's like my favorite bleak. I appreciate you my favorites.
None of those do mine? Like that now that's my fiance.
They not even he said, Swiss gave Beyonce to template.
But I ain't gonna say nothing, but she said, Swiss
gave Beyonce say what I did? Yeah, he saying what

(01:50:12):
I did with like that he needed that tempo he gave.
Hold up, they gotta they I got. Yeah, I got
a lot of influence out here. They don't give me
my props, you know what I'm saying. But my favorite
joint to me, like one of them, I gotta gotta
put who the fuck on what in there? Because that's
when I felt totally forgot about that, like cause you

(01:50:33):
got to get back That's why I gotta get Jazzo
on the show, because Jazzo played the major role in
me coming up because he used to always say to me,
Y'll just keep writing. I used to be to him like,
say to him, Yo, how you come up with the choruses? Man,
Y'll just keep writing? You know how you know when
it's sixteen bars? Just keep writing. No matter what I

(01:50:54):
said to him, his answer was, just keep writing. When
you done. When you find out who you are, you
gonna know where the hook is. You're gonna know what
the verse donna stop at, because you're gonna come into
your And I feel like that song was when I
became who I dreamed of being like on them as
an MC. That song is when I knew I'm here,

(01:51:17):
I can stand told the told with you beans, Now
what up? You ain't gonna wash me no more? I will, sup.
And that's why I think he started feeling like how
this nigga just gets so good? Like and then a
lot of the records that y'all would be on together,
even like the understanding of a lot of that ship
we hustlers, all of that money cash hold like a
lot of that A lot of that ship was like, damn,

(01:51:37):
man like, look, it's a pleasure for me to be
sitting here back that you bro. Like to be honest
with you, it ain't no interview. Were chopping it, but no, no,
not not fuck that because you this is gonna be
one of your interviews. And he's like, nah, that interview
with him and Mills. Yeah, this is what We're gonna
respect what you doing now, my nigga. This is an interview.

(01:51:58):
We have conversations outside of it. This is an in
a You're conducting an interview, right, my brother, My brother,
Just as somebody that grew up listening to you, my nigga,
I was one of them people that would argue in
school and be like, nah, my nigga, jay Z don't
be writing all his ship. Because I read credits booklets.
I wanted to see where samples came from. So I knew.

(01:52:18):
When I saw as Dot Carter was the only name
on the Coming to Age ship, I'm like, oh, But
then I started seeing m dot m dot co o X.
That's right, Oh, that ship is trying to say my
last name of Paul's. I wasn't gonna say it. To
fight for that that a lot, mister mister what oh

(01:52:43):
just say Malik. I wasn't about to say that name.
I spell it out. I had to fight for that,
nah man. I mean, Brooklyn was tough. It was tough.
It's not what's a pleasure just for just to be
sitting with you and your next chapter of what you do.
I never got a chance to do music with you

(01:53:04):
and do all that, but just listening to you, I
could say, like, Yo, you inspired me in a way
where it was like, nah, I don't give a fuck
with them niggas, say my nigga, I'm talking my shit,
you know what I'm saying, like mine right round here.
I remember when you did round Here. I was like,
because I was that round Here was probably the first
time I ever heard you, because I'm a fan, that

(01:53:26):
was probably the first time I ever heard you get
on that type of shit. Yeah yeah, And I know
you have been like it. I remember you was like,
y'all put niggas on the ross, you know, So I
know you had an ear for listening to that type
of shit, but you never gave us. You never gave
us nothing like round here until round Here. Yeah no,
because you know, and I mean it was so fire,

(01:53:47):
and I got to give props to myst Cool for that. Man.
Mister Cool was one of the first, like you know,
outside of New York music that I heard, like down
South with the eight o weights and the drums like that.
When I first heard the man right here, I knew
we wasn't we didn't have beats like that, And I
knew beats I don't give a don't sound like what

(01:54:10):
they bring it to the studio for me. I'm telling you,
I just knew, like, damn this this this sound right here.
Then you start hearing you know, Atlanta, the what was it?
The fuck young bloods and you know what I mean.
I went to house when he was working on an
urban legend, you yo, he had the ankle monitor round

(01:54:32):
had brought the bust to his house. She had the
bust out here. This is how fire t I was
on and he was doing the song super Freak and
Tiny was bringing them food down to the studio and
he got the song played. But she's a freak though,
and she's just there listen to the song. This nigga like,
but he was locked in hell. Yeah, that's how like,

(01:54:55):
that's how you gotta be. I feel like those the
best moments when you really get the lock in, like
I feel like the best times in recording me, like
it's with my guy young guru man. But like you
like to get back to what your question was you
like my favorite three? I said, of course, who want what?

(01:55:17):
Number one? And then like I gotta put handed down
up there. That was my only time working with Primo,
you know what I mean, and D and D Studio,
you know, so it's like that's like, yeah, so that's
like superhi historic for me, you know, like being in
there doing that with him in that iconic studio with

(01:55:40):
j Too. It was like that was tough. You can't
you can't beat that like that. And then man, the
third one, I gotta say probably something like understand Me Still,
produced by my dog T T T T Beats. That's
O g one cousin from Harlem, you know, one uptown. Yeah,

(01:56:00):
you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but understand me Still.
I felt like that was at a point in my
life when ship was going down and I was and
I knew that, you know, the industry break niggas when
they feel like they lose it all they lose it
and niggas don't talk about that, and me, I was,

(01:56:20):
I just knew, like they don't understand who I am. Man,
I'm born in the recession. I'm born in poverty. Bro,
I'm born fucked up. Can't break me, No, ain't nothing
that man. I'm happy. I'm still like and I could
cause I remember, I know the song you're talking about.
That was the standpoint where it was like, nigga, I
did me off. Yeah, like you know what, I'm so

(01:56:43):
good where I'm messed. I was never again did it
my way type ship? Yes, And it was like if
I could never do this again and I can never
enjoy it, my family will. Yes, they ain't never got
to do what we used to do. And I knew that,
So that's why I would put that one up there.
Yeah yeah, man, that's dope, you know what I mean?

(01:57:03):
So that was my thing and now now and what
like I always say, Jay used to tell me back
in the day, you'll bleak why you don't put your
personality and music? You a funny nigga. Man, you're crazy
you be saying some of the illy shit I used
to be like. Man, I don't know when I getting
that booth. Shit serious, ain't time to play, yo. Some
of the some of the coolest, funniest rapper I've ever
been around. You all, you got crazy person. When I

(01:57:25):
used to be in the studio with like Tony and I,
we would go see Fat Joe and he worked on
I used to be like, Yo, Fat Joe is crying you.
I'm sitting there like this is the first CD I've had.
He Mills, you spit that ship and I'm watching the
show here and there in the studio at three in
the afternoon. Yo. But I'm old. I work early, and
I'm a kid at that time. Like Fat Joe, you
be in the studio at two o'clock in the afternoon.

(01:57:46):
Now I'm older, I'm like ship my ship at one
in the afternoon. I remember the first time I did
a song with Fab, shout out the Fab he can't
shoot fave. I remember I went back to the block.
I say, Yo, my nigga, Fab might be one of
the funniest niggash I've ever been around in my life,
and y'all would never know it. That's right, because I
remember that day we was in the studio one night Rember.

(01:58:07):
I was like Yo, this is yo. Every page we
looking at a double ex Cell magazine while were smoking,
every page we turned to, the nigga was joking on
something like flaming these niggas and I'm like, yo, fabs,
but he was doing it like buggets. Yeah is that
he got on? And I'm just looking like Yo, this
nigga is hilarious. But all I know is the clue

(01:58:29):
free styles Jersey interviews, you know what I'm saying. So
now with this space, it feels good to be able
to see like a nigga like Nori just conduct the
interviews to And I know Nori like to drink and smoke,
but the fact that he figured out a way to
make money of drinking and smoking and having a real convo.
You know how how to have good convo. You know
how to tell stories. And you're not about to even

(01:58:52):
sit up here and talk to nobody that you don't
feel like you can have a good conbo. You don't
have to no more, you know what I'm saying. And
and my platform is for us the underdogs, niggas that
they counted out, you know what I mean, that they
didn't think can still be the phoenix and come through
the ashes and whether the storm man like you know,
niggas that you the underdogs. They think like it's over

(01:59:15):
because if you really think about it, all the underdogs
right now is the guys. Like the guy next to
the guy is the guy now because the top dogs
is all falling back and you gotta work hard in
this era. Be a talented or you could be a talent.
That talent shit don't matter. That shit don't mean nothing. Man,
what do you know how to? And you better know

(01:59:35):
how to do more than just one thing? Yo? What
they say? What's the saying? Uh? Hard work beat talent.
When talent don't work hard, that's word. That talent don't
mean shit. You better get actives. They making music out
like you said, it's an AI and they on the
charts and somebody created that bot, so he has no talent.

(01:59:57):
That's why you put it with that. How you feel
about that AI shit? I feel different about it because
I watch too much Terminator. That's how I feel. I
watched too much Terminator. I feel like, man, y'all niggas
was sitting up. We got John Connor showing me dinosaurs
and all sorts of shit in Jurassic Parking now y'all
want to get mad at AI. Yeah, y'all niggas never

(02:00:18):
seen how t rexes used to walk, but y'all made
them ships walking Jurassic Park in front of our face. Yeah,
but they said that ship is cap They said them
dinosaurs didn't even exist before. They never found the full movies.
Look how many movies they didn't because some computer graphics
with now AI niggas my nigga Beanie, Beanie, I saw
some ship the every day with Beanie and Kiss and

(02:00:39):
they said the AI ship gave him made it with
his voice could sound like in ninety eight. Yeah, yeah,
Bean's voice is back with the AI ship. I'm not
mad at how we know AI ain't write that verse. Nah,
I'm chilling, fucking No, it's Yo, shout out to bean
Yo nigga name. It's a little nigga name like baby

(02:01:02):
Chief do it. I think that's right. And he did
an interview with he said he let chat GPT right
like he told him what he wants to rhyme to
be and he let it come out and shit was
fire and he did a song to it. See now
GPT ghosts right now now we up here, we up
here fighting our life away to do this shit. You're
gonna chat GPT that shit write you coming to age.

(02:01:24):
I never chat. I don't even chat GPT that asks nothing.
Niggas be asking recipes and everything. I don't talk to
chat GPT. Niggas be like how many albums in Memphis bleed?
Selling on his first album coming to age? Yo, GPT,
tell him some whole other shit you like, nigga ain't
seldom fucking I saw him way more than that. You
know what GPT mean to me? Gary Payton caused the turnover.

(02:01:46):
He stole the ball from somebody the glove. That's chat GPT.
Seeing my niggas chatting about GP, chatting about GP where
he got the hurt over? Order to look, niggas can't
even help but be rapping. Niggas can't even help but

(02:02:07):
be rapping. That's some metaphorical double We can't even help it,
my nigga. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, I
ain't gonna lie, man, I ain't gonna know a lot
of a lot of niggas right now in the rap game.
I feel like if niggas would have came up in
our era, well, I say, oh, ever, you was there

(02:02:27):
before me. But I still feel like I caught the
tail end of that error. I feel like if niggas
would have came up and to get your tape decks
ready or fighting for a number one spot of tape.
You know what I'm saying, God fighting for that type
of ship you take pride in. Nah My, nigga, you
heard what I said. You know what I We take
pride in that ship that we take. Did you hear

(02:02:49):
what I said? Though? Not want to listen to that
ship again? And I feel like now songs is one
verse yo, yo, whole album is one verse through. The
whole job might be twenty eight minutes. You know what
I'm saying. I thought when I got the two verses,
I was cutting this show up, niggae, I was doing
three verse songs still like Ma's niggas ain't doing that now?

(02:03:12):
You doing niggas like I'm lit two hooks in a
verse in the middle, that word up and it is
over us. You know what I'm going It's different. Ship
doesn't change now. What's next for you? Though? Males? Anymore
music dropping? Yeah? I just put out Potent Vibes only
six and I've just seen the mellow feeling like Mellow,
feeling like Mellow. What I'm saying Mellow Mellow might be
my favorite basketball player of all time. I don't think

(02:03:33):
the best, I'm ship the best. I'm a Kobe Bryant
fanatic too. I love Bro, that ship, Talk, that ship,
Mike AI, all of them, but Mello is somebody. I
feel like my ship run parallel with Mellow. My career,
like Nigga, they say he could only do one thing.
Nigga say he only a battle rapper. He's Mellow, only
a scorer. Mello ain't never win no ring, but all

(02:03:54):
the niggas who won rings respect them. I might have
never went platinum solo, but my young Money ship did right,
so we won as a team. I'm wanting them. I
could accept that, but yeah, I just always followed the
Nigga career. I always felt like then when he was
in New York, I was we was mellowed out. When
he was playing for the five next whole New York
was repping. So I just said, let me just do

(02:04:14):
a song like that, a little metaphorical. The whole song
is about him, but it's really about me, like like
my whole fucking career too. I got the podcast with
my lady. It's called Jane after Dark, Jane after Dog.
We're gonna talk with distribute ship. Yeah, come on, let's
do it. Drink Champs Network, let's do it beyond Rock
Solid Network. I film it, I edited, come on, let's

(02:04:38):
do it. The man highlight at me. Yeah, come on, yeah,
let's do it the other day like two times. That's
oh that she was. When I was in my Favorite
trying to get me, they told me he wanted to
start a network now fifteen cool, We'll get past that shit.
Let's get to that and not let Sexy Red or
Remend do it. They better let the people that sing yo.

(02:05:01):
But a lot of a lot of this ship I
think I want to get You're not direct, and I'll
do all that ship too. I want to start doing
like mini series. You know what I'm saying, Like trying
to do like mini series following the politics. Following the politics.
You ain't got no problems, That's what I'm saying. You
definitely have to check in, only check into hotels. Yeah,

(02:05:24):
I'm not with all that, I'm right, but I'm working
on it. I'm working on a book too, That's what
just doing a bunch of ship that really ain't. The
music is gonna be there. I got music that's coming out,
but I'm trying to do a bunch of other ship
that you might not expect. Like the reason why I
started a podcast with my ladies because I'm like, damn,
I could talk about sports, I could just talk about
rapping again, you don't want to just be talking about

(02:05:44):
niggas albums, albums and doing all that. Like, I don't
want to do that. So I said, I don't know
nobody that's doing nothing with the girl. Like it might
be other people that do it that's older, but none
of my niggas that I talked to on the phone
and I text and we keep they ain't doing nothing
with the girl. They don't make posts and share the
comment section with it. Because these relationships don't last. That's why.

(02:06:05):
That's why next year, you're not gonna be saying, you know,
I'm doing with my girl, I'm doing with my wife.
You know what I'm saying, because that I haven't said
my girl is so low I should sound kind of
funny to me because I feel like if I sit
up here and I say my wife, then niggas gonna
be like you ain't even married yet, and then it
makes you, it make your girl look critzy. Yeah, I know,

(02:06:25):
I know, I know how to hate yo they throw
I know, but no, I'm gon get. I'm gonna get
married next year, that's son. I'm looking forward to do too.
Not inviting the mail though, no I'm not. But when
I when they throwing like that to me, when they
throwing like that, and I'll be like, YO might check
on to on on y. I appreciate you for having

(02:06:51):
so much. I don't drink this much. Do say neither,
But that's how YO. Welcome to the dark side, my brother.
It's just that ship right here. Listen. You can mix
it with anything to tell wifey. This should mixed with
what would you suggest? What would you suggest for wife
or for you? Because our wife feeling it for me, like,
let's make two all right. We got this drink called

(02:07:14):
the dreada where it's like, uh, duce margarita. So you
make it the same way you would make a margarita
with tequila, but you use the duce and it's fire.
I like that. That all you could just do, you know,
if you want to just keep it cool. Duce lemonade
I keep it me. The ginger real works just fine.
Gingerrell works just fine, Nigga sa ginger works fine, works fine.

(02:07:40):
Lets me know you had some trouble before. You know
what I'm saying. It works fine. Then you could do
the pineapple the cranberry mix like it's mad. Like when
you have a whole pineapple cranberry with the duce. Sound
like vacation, yo, Yeah, you definitely feel like you're in
the Bahamas. I like that, definitely like that. Or you know,
you could just do a sidecar. You know what I'm saying.
This ship we got, yo, my g. This ship you

(02:08:02):
can mix it with water in this school head. All right,
you better drink. You can mix it with water. Drink
because if I drink a little more of this bottle,
I'm gonna drink the finger Poland Spring. But now, my g. Anytime,

(02:08:23):
like I tell people all the time, man, this platform
is for us. It's for the underdogs and niggas still
making their way, putting pressure out here. Anytime you want to,
you want to get your word off, say anything, you
got anything to say anybody anything, you want to promote anything,
even if you want to have an episode, you and
your wife, come up here and promote your show. Oh yeah,

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my door's always you know what, I'm gonna bring the
T shirt back. My door's always open. Like you said,
shout out the bakery to the fresh Figger. I'm a rocket, Definitely,
definitely with the pink. My daughter gonna be on my
Hell's daddy, you better wear it. So it's all my appreciate,
I appreciate truth. Yes're doing your thing. Stay bless my

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brother and stop following politics unless he's gonna be a politician. Y'all.
This is rock solid. Do say we don't follow politics,
We drink Yeah. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit
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