Jim Jones (Part 2) | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek - ROC Solid

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart
Radio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my
guys over at Drink Champs Big with the year Memphis.
I'm back at it, niggas. Notice the difference just pron
pressy Stones. Yeah yeah, y'all you already know what it is.

(00:23):
Back with another exclusive episode of Rock Solid. And like
I always tell you, you see, anybody on this platform is
one of two things, and this gentleman right here is both.
He's solid and he was part of the rock. I
want to welcome my brother Jim Jones to the motherfucking
building and we here artists to artists. Yeah, holler, how

(00:45):
you feel about you yas? Cause you know we really
we really you know what I mean? It's like to me,
I feel like you ain't never had a real time
to really digest him on and the passing, you know,
if his loved ones, and I feel like, you know
people more in the different ways. So to me, I

(01:06):
feel like, yay, just he hurt, bro, he hurt, and
when you hurt, you're gonna attack, man, Like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Like let's go back. Hey, he saw it and the
whole building was laughing at him.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
This is what I'm saying that he been hurt. He's
been a hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
When Ya first came around, they got this little producer
in there, he playing his music and niggas was clowning.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yo. Listen, this is how I first met Yay through Guru.
Guru came through me and Bean sitting there looking for beats.
He's like, Yo, I know two producers like they regular
niggas like, all right, goo call the producers fucking just
blazing Kanye West. Okay, So now Kanye come, he playing
the beats. You know, he making hits, hit after hit

(01:52):
after hit after hit, and then he on that. Yo,
but I raped and dang Jay niggas, I don't don't
want to hear no raps to mean you raped, play
the beat man. We don't want to hear no rap.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And this is a time where people got to know
niggas was not jacket. Nobody was talking about they rap.
You make beasts do that?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yup? That's it. It's like, no, I don't want to
hear no raps. And Kanye used to come in the
room rapping to us. And I used to be looking.
We all used to be like, damn, so I got
some shit. What I remember he wrapped in the b
room to us, and I remember all of us looking
at that nigga like because the same beasts he was playing,
he was rapping over to them. Yeah, like yo, he

(02:34):
got some ship. It wasn't a joke. No stopped clawning
him like yo. And then he started what really got
caught Dame and Jay and them attention. I believe from
my my perspective was Jay used to have. Remember Jay
always threw parties, daming them through parties. They always hosted big,
elaborate events type of parties. And Kanye are getting on

(02:56):
the table in the middle of the spot with a
suit on with the mic and start freestyle going crazy,
and the whole crowd in front of him going like
And that's when I think niggas started paying him attention.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Like I know bull On, I know Biggs used to
take a real close legging to that nigga.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Kanye really BIG's New BIG's New Bigs was the choiet
one fighting for Kanye, but Kanye was off the rocker. Man.
I remember, yo, Bro, I remember being outside in front
of the base line right. I had the little five
fifty bids the cool I'm pulling up this when the
g wagons first came out, This niggabox. This nigga got

(03:34):
the truck in front of the studio, in front of
the base line, back in the g wagon. Off the truck.
They pulling the plastic off this motherfucker like it's a
new shirt, new outfit. He let all that happened. I'm
standing there watching. After they finished the truck pull off,
leave the car. Standing there, that nigga look at me

(03:55):
and say, Yo, you think this a girl car? Yeah?
I like this, Like what you ain't think about that?
In the showroom, nigger before he got delivered, he ripped
the plastic. He like, yo, bleink, they don't think this
is a girl cop. He's like, for some reason, it
parked right. Man just looked like it's supposed to be
for a female. That's when I knew he's an aesthetic.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
When I first met him, he just was like different,
Like it is just something different about him.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I didn't even know about the music and none.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I ain't really pay attention to the to the music park,
the music that he was playing. Everybody in the offices
connected when he had the accident.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
This is the wire, then all the other music started
making sense. Yeah, Yo, that's a fact. Yo, that's crazy.
I didn't even think about that because after the wire,
it made everything fall into place, his life start. He
was destined to do this shit though. Nobody wouldn't have
stopped him. Nothing nobody, And you know what's so ill
that when not talking to him? His first beat was

(04:55):
for Mace. His first production was on Mace album, probably
not his album, the group album they did the compilation.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think it was I want to ask you something
because I would never know and you ain't gotta say,
but what's up When Cam took the old boy beat?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yo? You know yo, I don't know why this rumor
go around like I had to take it? Oh, I'm sorry.
Was Jay really pissed off about that? Because we never know,
We never know, but we do not. I don't think
Jay like put it like this. In my opinion of
working with Jay and being in the studio with him

(05:38):
all the time, Jay didn't let beat sit if he
really fucked with it. He finished that ship right there,
So it wasn't really I don't I don't think so, bro.
I mean that makes sense. Yeah, I think they capping
with that. Bro like like it's even with the woe beat. Hey,
Like yeah, Bleek had the woe beat first. Yeah, and

(05:58):
I pick what you're thinking that Black Rob rest in peace,
pig Whoe. I didn't hear woa he did he heard?
That's like me, that's like me putting a son against
rad men, because then the twins did mine right. I'm
pretty sure rad Men heard that beat way before I did.
So is he bugging because he pigs man swins? Twin's
been here for a minute, that's a fact. Bro. Niggas

(06:21):
talk about the tunnel. Bro, Bro was coming in. This
is a young nigga. This is when I first started
realizing the streets is really th I thought it was.
I went to give one of the twins a hug
and the tunnel and the nigga had all the vast Yo,

(06:46):
my nigga, I'm like, Yo, you got a bulletproof vest
on in the club. He's like, yeah, man, you gotta
be prepared. Nigga might walk by trying to poke you up.
I looked at that nigga was like, I don't think
my beef that serious thing. Bro.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
The tunnel was ritch. I remember walking through the tunnel
with and me like my man chill one. They my
man like through the Brooklyn side, because you know you
had niggas be queens, you had the Brooklyn Hall Hall.
The picture stands a yacks, so we you know, we banging.
So we walked, We're gonna walk through everywhere.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Bro, we came through.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
By the time we got through the Brooklyn side, I
looked at my man avery rex jacket. That ship had
a split down the whole middle, or nigga tried to
bust his whole back open.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
With Brooklyn ship. For sure, Bro. The tunnel that the twins,
the twins was in there though twins, they was in there,
and they used to move militant. I used to look
at these niggas like when y'all produced how yeah niggas
outside or some g ship all the time. They only
ever played me in my whole career of knowing them,
they only ever played me that beat. They never played

(07:53):
they just did or they've always been what was that?
For sure? Even realists in the tunnel.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
The tunnel taught me my first how to kentuct myself
as a rapper. Lesson or this ship gonna get real funky.
God Bless, not familiar with not no no No from the
gardens in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Chill years ago, and ship like I don't think I
know get money Nigga fuck with him and all that,
but we didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
We get in the tunnel, he looked like Tupac and
ship like that. We get me in a tunnel me cam.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Man saw me in the tunnel. Nigga roll up to
his posasty vessel enough for getting one head looking like pop.
He says, some ship right, But you know, I'm always
on point.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
He'm always trying to tell Cam like, yo, you know,
you know who I am? And ship like that, but
not like front Kim kind of took it off. By
the time that time, I already know what it is.
I stepped in front of Cam. You yeah, you know,
how do mean? My nigga step in front of Cam
like up said what's up? Nigga took two steps back

(09:02):
and pilled up the fasace. Vessey had two glocks almost.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Word up.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh and God Bless, that was this And then that
was the same night Choules the m you when they
was going crazy and one of them helped me down tremendously.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
You ain't gonna say no names, gotta bring up on
the old ship. But he had two guns on them too.
I'm like, what the fuck is this a two gun party?
Niggas with two guns? Word up? Yeah, that was That
was the best lesson I learned in my life in
the tunnel with it. It was my my time in
learning a lesson like that. Speaking of some I've been
through some similar ship just like that. My first time
going to Chicago, that's when they was on that Yo,

(09:40):
your hat this way or your hat this way. This
is when me and t I was on our ship,
hard body walking around like this. Yeah, we them niggas well.
He was saying McDonald's, I'm like this ordering with Bobby
dash my mayn b I, all of us. Nigga pulled
out the big Rosco in the middle of McDonald's. My nigga, Yo, Yo,

(10:05):
fix your motherfucking hat. I said, huh, he said, Yo,
fix that motherfucker hat. I said, what happened? What? Nigga?
Tighten up? Real nigga got a drop like, Yo, what
what I do? Nigga like, I'm like your family, I'm
not from here. A nigga like nigga. Well, that's gang

(10:27):
ship here. Nigga left for raights, different games. You ain't
from here, don't win no motherfucking hat. I did the
whole show in Chicago with the bean out left right.
We just go on Nashal today.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
On hang Up fuck back line, and so as a
rapper coming from New York, you know, we go to
every state feeling like we that ship. That's a fact.
I remember we go to Miami. Shout one niggas in Miami,
I don't know. I remember one of the radio stations
smacked dead in the hood.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh the hell yeah, in the middle of the fucking North,
might have me on the radio.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I believe, like with Can one time, long time back.
So we in the radio station, rested niggas won't go
to McDonald's. Cool, everybody go to McDonald's. These niggas get
carjacked for everything, Jack robbed everything, playing that New.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
York tough shit.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Were crazy on some niggas in the McDonald's. They said,
this is Miami. We not know about Miami in ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
We don't know these niggas is moving and old like
we don't know these niggas really playing with big We
from New York. Yeah, yeah, them niggas playing with shoppers,
but we don't know. It's different gun laws down there.
We think everything we have. Them niggas came in there
and backed that all type of shit on your niggas
did the van of everything, your whole everything, bro, crazy,
you gotta be like yeah, as a as a rapper.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Moving around this country, if you not tied in and
know some good niggas, be careful.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Niggas not playing in these other areas they are with
the same as we would.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Bro. I promise you that what these artists need to
stand like. Think about it. Yeah, you tough in your neighborhood,
You tough in your city when these promoters booked you
and not flying out twenty niggas they paying for you,
the DJ nigga and one of your mad everywhere you
go and tougher, You're gonna be going up against the reallection. Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Imagine how tough you think you is your reflection feel
like that too in another chand so.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Nigga is not gonna go down as easy as you think. Yo.
You ever you ever speaking of ship like that, you
ever got booked in the city, pulled up to the spy,
was like, now I think I'm ready to get these
niggas the money back. They buggy right now. I don't
think I need to go. And I got booked in
cities with the driver was having to shootout, and we
just stole the whole limits and left the driver in ommas.

(12:47):
You got my man black, I'll be like Tennessee. Driver
got a cowboy hat the d parking lot. The driver
bats out the jackie and starts going he go he
had in front of the car black. The little shade
files through that Tuxa, rolls and flips into the driver

(13:07):
seat to take the whole limit. We Oh, no, bro,
I ain't been doing no ship stories.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I had to took a few cars from a few
different drivers in your brow.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
We got left. I remember we got left, I said,
Club one twelve in Atlanta, we got left like after
the show you know how to promoter and paid for
the ride. Yeah, club shouts Atlanta straight up.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't think you understand when he heard that world
Club one twelve with that ship was youngsters are people
that never really had never had a chance to understand.
Club on twelve was a was a club in Atlanta
during the nineties vibes and the club ain't get started
getting popping into about six in the morning.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's I'm lying up lying. The line is on full
speed at six in the morning morning, wrapped around that
parking line.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Stupid. I'll never forget. I never forget one twelve World up.
I never the twelve.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Was there was a champagne with sixty dollars in there.
I never forget that. That's when came the like sixty dollars,
let's get ten bottles, look like them niggas in it. Yeah, yo,
don't going down south and getting the bottle prices. You
definitely like, oh, we're gonna shut it down. They wait
a new millionaires and town were looking like meeting them

(14:24):
before we even knew meeting them. One yo. That's a fact, yo,
the first time traveling as a New Yorker going down south,
don't remember the bottles up here was always three fifty
five hundred off the rip they went down south, nigga,
you see that price? Curious ten of those round this up?

(14:45):
Good night. Now, that's a fact. We got left at
Club one twelve one time, fucking with the promoters. My
g took all that ship, our bags my DJ equipment.
All that we had to fucking hot hitchhike with some
girls from the club back to the hotel. Myig heard.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Bro, I was so loose on the road. I remember
going to Detroit one time.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yo, Detroit man, shout out Detroit, it out. I go
on Detroit. Were on the road.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
We're trying to find some weed, and I get it
and I end up finding some people that said he
got some weed. I don't know what the fuck made
me getting this call with them. Now they take me
to a projects. I'll never forget it because the projects.
Right across the street from the project was a strip.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Club called Double O seven And I only remember it
because it said double O seven and just stuck in
my hand. So it's like, and I never forget it.
I go to the second floor and I'm in this
apartment and now starting to dawn on me. What the
fuck am I doing here? We're the fuck am I?
Are you bugging? You? Really serious? I end up jumping

(15:48):
out the window, Bro, Yo, no way, Yo, Mama's nigga
end up jumping out the window. They keep talking about
now they coming back with the weed right now, coming
back with the weed right now. I was about the
kitchen end up jumping out the window. Everything. I love, bro, Bro,
I've been through some ship on the road. Bro.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Remember Zeke was talking about the show we did in Chicago.
I said he did, like you know, cause he going
crazy on the story. So it was a show in
Chicago we did. I remember, I never forget it. Cam
was sick her and we was kind of popped, like
this show we needed to get that bad.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's right. We drove from New York to Chicago get it.
Cam was sick for damn and have to rise. That's
like nine hours we get here before the show. Cam sick, Like,
I don't think we're gonna be able to do it. Nigga.
I'm still living in the projects, and I'm like, nigga,
do it. I can't go.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I'm in my mind like I ain't I gotta go.
I can't go back home with no money. Yeah, yeah,
that's what I said, nigga. I'm we I said, we're
gonna were taking this money. I said, I don't care,
drobbed the promoter. I said, man, sit back and let
me do what I need to do. And I was
looking at the Zeke story. Zeke didn't have no Zeke
with This is something I did totally on my own.
Zeke was somewhere else, bro, I saw these niggas stay

(16:59):
right there. I'll never get your stay in this car.
I want to show the venue in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Spoke to the mode like, yeah, I'm Jim coming to
get the back end.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
He's like all right with Caim and like he parked
down the block and we get the back end counted
up and the I'm gonna go get He like no,
you know he could pull up in the parking line.
Like that's not how we do things, bro right, you
give me the back end. Now, these niggas only me.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I end up getting sippery slip away, Yo, you heard
slip away getting low, getting low. You heard cam and
them figured out come payment fall back in the car.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
And so this is how to show you we were
still new on the road and not thinking about ship.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
You heard us think about the back So we get low.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Cool, We got that part, but we ended up going
to the hotel that they booked for exactly not you understand,
just being young and dumb, like, Yo, they got.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
The hotel before us to go, then they gonna pull up.
Them niggas end up pull up. So we come out
the hotel room. Out the hotel. One of the niggas, Yo,
what's up with you?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I'm like what, yeah, yo, let me get come
with us, trying to act like gonna put me in
the car.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Oh now I'm getting funky.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
WoT start fighting, Yo, come out he start fighting a
big nigga, get with him.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Boos punched lights out this big nigga. I'm like, oh, yes,
it's late. That's right. Nigga. Back out the hand and
put it right to my head. I'm like, oh, I'm
about to die. Yo, Sham come out the hotel looking
you know, he not she's not scrapping. We ain't not
on the scrapping said he wasn't scrapping. He just they
got the hand into my head. Zeke like, no, nigga

(18:22):
pull out a badge. I was like, oh, chill, he
was the law Yo, Chill. I was that wield some
ship like that. We separated us. I had to pay.
So the funny part was, now I'm the nigga that
from I'm ramming this nigga heading to the to the
Carche douche gooche. I got mad dance in the car.

(18:46):
You heard it. So now I got to pay the car.
That nigga, you gotta pay the car to get fixed.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
The nigga that own the car comes out now police
is like, nah, you got dammage.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I'll start backing out the money that I just took
from the promoter. Promoter now for this, I still end
up going back. You heard like, yo, bro, Nah, you
ever did a fake show? I had one of my
homies performed like they was me because I was sick
out the show and I one of the homies put
the do rag on, hit the stage like he was

(19:16):
me world up, never till he never took the hood off.
Shout out my man, b I. We had to get
that bad fuck with you be I. That's what I'm
trying to say. I'm a nigga like b I. What
put me to put the put the dough rag on me? Nigga?
Be light skin bleaked. I'm coming out these niggas, nigga
my mind right right ready for war. Nigga. He was

(19:38):
me on standing I'm backstage looking at him. He on
stage like this giving niggas pounds in the front lip
singing the record. I was b They think the road
just about fun, it is Yo, word up.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
We go through so much ship on that road to
get to that bag. You don't know what going Every
time I get on the plane, I just apparre for
a mission.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
That's a fact. Never gonna go to where you want,
yo at on until you get to that bag. You're like,
I got the bag. I'm getting the fuck out of
here and now I'm going home back Yo. Going overseas
like it's so weird, like my time going overseas, like
those trips like that. I remember I was in Denmark
and I was this when my space was out. Met

(20:21):
some niggas on my Space. Yo, I need that. But
I pull up, I get y'all tickets to the show.
I'm out here with Jay whatever. Them niggas pull up
and Homie was like, Yo, my mom's own like you know,
like a Caribbean food restaurant. So I'm like, all right.
I start going through the hotel John and neely taking
his order, Colleen, what you want? I get the j

(20:42):
and Jay like, Yo, where you getting this food from?
So I'm like, Yo, I met some nigga on my Space.
His mom's on the restaurant. I'm gonna go get the
weed with him. Pick up the food to come back,
so hope, Like, Yo, You're gonna get in the car
with some niggas you met on my Space and Denmark
and come back with food. He's like, Yo, are you crazy?
I'm like, Yo, Jay, listen, I understand this. We've been

(21:05):
through a lot of ship But my nigga, if you
heard the Denmark niggas got me, I deserve to be
all right. Just wait right here, I'm bringing the food back,
my nigga, Yo, Like, straight up, nigga do some strange
things when they come down to that road. You gotta

(21:26):
make your moves and get what you need, get what
you want, especially when you would as smoke. Your niggas
made that that fucking movie. That ship was what state property, No, nigga,
the tour movie. That ship was doing hard knocked life.
My g oh, my god, Yo, god, Yo, you know
I was speaking of till I'm gonna say this before

(21:48):
it was all over. I remember being in meeting with
every Rockefeller artists. They had the fucking Tomo posters, had
Tiff Nass League Deans be going on the biggest rocker
full of tour.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
The day they already gave us the money we was
making every night ship, ship line up, we having a
tour meeting and all that bro.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I was so hot broke when it was like we
were going on that tour, yo. You know for years
what yo? Bro For years, they tried to say that
that's the reason why the Rock broke up, like y'all
was mad at us because y'all wasn't going on the
tour and I'm like, never, I didn't even know nothing

(22:33):
about they were supposed to all. What the fuck? I
can't make no decisions on the tour with the Brock
breaking up. Your word up. They was trying to put
that we're to do with the Brock breaking up anyway. Period.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Diplomats were after the fact of anything I had to
do with Rockfeller.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
We don't say y'all had something to do with it,
but y'all sped it up.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I mean, I can't say I would say we definitely
sped it up an awkward position.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
You no, definitely, but y'all And you know one thing
I respect about that I never personal even to this day.
My g y'all came into a crew that was already
built as the new guys on the block. Y'all gotta
ride for each other. It ain't. It ain't no time
to be like, yo, yeah, they bugging, I'm a ride
with them right here. That's that's disloyalty. If anyone would

(23:17):
it did that today, they'll be calling him yo. He
wasn't loyal, he would out. So at that time, all
of y'all did what was supposed to be done. I
would have did the same thing, my g if it
was me, And that's a hap. You surely right. Yah.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
We may have definitely help speed things up. And because
y'all got too lit, but we had nothing to do
with it. No, no, no, I didn't start it. And
I feel like people start using everything else. But what
was the real reason why broke up? Sped it up?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yet? It was already fire bruins, it was already burn
me Like people be trying to do different things. Yes,
they are not trying to blame Nia were the artist.
But you know when the my first official feeling of
that this ship was over was on that plane ride
back from London with the State property, Norri and Dame,

(24:11):
and we had that argument on that plane. I wasn't there.
I know, y'all wasn't even there that to do. No,
that was none of us. I feel like that's what
lit the match and me knowing that it was crumbling
like and it wasn't y'all, it was just that I
felt my opinion. Again, I don't know if this is
how everybody else felt, but me, I felt like when

(24:32):
y'all came, Dame used y'all as a crutch straight up.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
He didn't use us right when we came. He felt
like he got some niggas that got his back, and
I don't need these niggas, and when it shouldn't not
even I don't need these niggas, but he felt like
I got my niggas.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I got niggas that know me. You're from Harlem.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
He's doing this Harlem shit. We could do the drink
when it shouldn't have been like that. He should have
introduced us a different way to make it strong and
made it family, because that's how it was in the baseline.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yo, we was all f bro, it was all on.
It was all on the table. Niggas don't even know.
Zeke pulling up the rock solid, Zeke pulling up. We
had that relationship. We got stories to talk about too.
You know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
This is crazy to look back about all the different juriables.
I can't say this though, I would say out of everything,
or not behalf.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
When Kim made that announcement that he was gonna be
the vice president and it wasn't solidified yet, and Dan
was like, give me a minute, let me, let me,
let me talk about it.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, just what we of course, if you are if
I say I'm gonna do something in the diplomats, I'm
telling you about it. Give me a second. I'm about
to put it into place. It's gonna have a fact,
but give me a minute. Let me make it happen.
Though her he did jump the gun with that, jumped
the gun and in in my mind, I'm riding whatever,
but I'm a mind like god, damn, we never go
get a It's definitely over after this one.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
And we took it at a place of rubbing it
in niggas faces.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Is supposed to being humble with it and being helpful
and like we're gonna spread this ship around like you did.
Like it just felt just felt crazy at that time,
looking back and ship like that, because we didn't have
no idea about the beans part. We didn't have no
idea about the I didn't know about the big play
like it was gonna be beans, it's gonna be a representation. Yeah,

(26:35):
the strong cus that's sitting there, give them a chance
that I didn't know that, and ship like that, and
I was like, yo, So it's just crazy looking back
and ship like that, of all the things that built
up to who we are now, that's a lot of
a lot of history. Like and that's why I really
want to have this conversation because Rockefeller and Diplomats are
very important to the culture. Definitely, bro, like, you're kidding me.

(26:57):
We fucking like. I feel like we called a way for.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
The new hustlers, and y'all took that hustle and took
it further and made the hustler fashionable. I definitely agree
with that because nobody on Rockefeller was We didn't even
care about drip.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
We cared about spitting. I'm gonna say something. I'm gonna
tell you a story. I'm gonna tell you a story.
I'm just saying it. Fucking fird out. We were some
fly by mass niggas. I don't care if niggas care
if I tell it or not. And I'm gonna tell
you how far, how far.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Envy or admiration runs deep, because sometimes admiration can turn
into envy. Yes, what I'm trying to say, maya nigga
so much that it starts to bleeze deep. Yeah, Paul,
nineteen ninety five. I would say maybe ninety five, maybe

(27:59):
ninety beginning of ninety six, whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
And I'm telling you from my perspective because I'm always
been a little bit different because I have no basketball talents.
I wasn't catered to. I'm just a project nigga that
was a little bit right. Had a golfair family that
you know how to make moves cool.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's right. You get the Rockefeller Office, Me, Cam and Mace. Oh,
Mace was with y'all. I'm about to tell you the
whole story. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I'm gonna tell you the part where niggas don't never
because I ain't got time to lie about my history.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
No man who made us. That's what made us all, y'all.
Did some of us man bigger, some of us did
it smaller.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
But we were all into different things cool and my
pride ran a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
We get to Rockefeller Office. This is when they had
to shop on John J. Street. Whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was rugs. Yeah was bad. Yeah. Yeah, we get
in there. Cool.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's big for us at the time. You know, they
wrapping there on freestyles. They trying to find their way.
They're going down and they to try to get a
deal with Jay and Damon all of them.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Right, wow, cold going there. You know, Kim got a
relationship with Dame from the block level. You're from the hood.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
You heard he may have seen some dealings that Damon
Jay was doing besides music and shit like that, you
know what I mean, like a it's an ill circle
and shit like do the God. We're not gonna talk
about that outside, but the God is the truth. He
was outside those stories being told he's God sent for
some of the biggest people you've ever seen in your life.
You heard, and he got to talk about it. That's

(29:40):
why I love him. Cool, we get in there. It
don't work out.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
It's my niggas.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Anybody got attitude ship on the face and they and
and and you know, they're going back and forth little
caddy shit.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
But we're younger than them. They a little bit older
than us, and shit like that. You know what I mean,
I don't It was ninety five you might be nineteen eighteen.
You did so cool and I never forget this ship.
It didn't go the way you want. I know, niggas
a little upset going back and forth, but not like that,
but like you know what I mean, how it is.
And on the way out, nigga Mas asks the nigga

(30:16):
J for some cab money. Back uptown, I.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Was Joe Chill, I'm telling you some real ship. I'm
only telling you because I never forgot that shap because
I'm that type of nigga. I would have rather walk
up town before I ask these niggas in here for
any type of cab money. And I know, getting real money,
and we're supposed to look like we're doing something. That's
a fact, whether we getting money or whether we tough
or whether we bugging, we're supposed to look like we're

(30:38):
doing something.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Leave out of here with our dignity and our pride.
And that's niggas for a cab right uptown. J dubbed him,
I got no cab money for you, niggas. I was like,
that's all fat And I'm still in the background. I
don't even know who I am where I do know
me know I grew up in the same building all
my life. I ain't know that that's crazy since I

(30:59):
was six years age. Damn. That's the same with Dames James.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
As I was six to our buildings when he was thirteen.
He came after the That's right.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I heard so motherfucking after that, they tubbed him on
the cab money.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
In my mind, I'm like, we look like suckers walking
out of here. That's just how I'm thinking. Bro, Like, yo,
this it made us. And then you got bigs, you know.
I mean, I'm from I be outside, so I know
who and how niggas is going to look. Now you've
got these niggas looking at us like little nigga. The
nigga don't even have cab money to get back up town.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
And I'm hearing stories about tap tie big bank rolls
in his pocket to her like going to the rest.
I'm here on this, so now we're going in there.
You heard, and we ain't on our best. Not saying
we don't hustle. I say niggas don't get money, but
as it wasn't our best day. Nigga cab money he
was never supposed to do. That should crush my heart.
Then these niggas do weak ship, rip up the car,

(31:54):
spit on the floor in the hallway. Yo. Everything that's right.
But in my mind, I'm so smart that I know
this is one of my ways I might be able
to escape from this madness.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's right now, my permission to say anything. My position
is whatever's gonna happen happen. These niggas says something, and
they're gonna have to beat us, and we're gonna beat them.
That's always been my position. I'm just telling you one
of the ill the stories I've seen.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
So when we go back to the beginning and the
competitive spirit that led all the rock could have been
from from things like that. Always I remember another one
fuck It's Crazy Cam album which Professionals album, Oh Confession
came there, Flashes said something like I ain't here Liub

(32:42):
before a spot. Yeah, he told me that that's I
can't put in his round. He says some fly ship right.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Jay was already up, but the admiration still the fresh
out the project used to listen to.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
All the JA shit nigga.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
We got all albums press right, So it's just like
it was like things like that. But if it was
like show you the competition. Now masis on Mace walking there.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
He got two chains on, a platinum chain and a
white gold chain. His platinum first started us right Jade
there he got a small platinum chain on with the
platinum rollie. So now it's like hot was on fire.
He sweating his ship around, big cubing platinum. You're talking

(33:25):
about platinum here they got the platinum. I'm just watching
these niggas.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm just like, Wow, this nigga came in and fired
hear on the jury, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Not understanding of the dynamic of what's really going on.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I'm face value of what I see say from nowhere,
but just doing music and I'm I'm I'm measuring this
ship by what I see face value. Mace going up
her bondsh shit I've never seen before. But now when
you bring it in the building, standing next to Jay.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
He like you looking good. I mean he just thought
that was a championship. I'm just showing like the ship
that we were doing when we were younger leading up
to where we are now, because we were very prideful
and very competitive. So now at that moment was like
a lot of that ship was like we gotta show
this niggas that we were getting money. Yeah, remember we

(34:10):
didn't fuck with Dame at all for a while. Let
me be signed on. Were gonna some fuck you dang ship. Damn,
I don't know that. Well.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
One day we was at Sony Nigga. I'm gonna tell
you how to Chable's turned Nigga. We had Sony Nigga,
were doing a performance for Cam's I remember you had
to do all types of shows practice with and had
a song called funck You on it.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
We have the Sony Studios, Dame walk in. We started
doing the fun you song. We like this the Dame.
We got all the Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Niggas in the you Cam never been aud he said
got gangsterst or that ungot him.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
You feel like he got the gangsters with him. Whatever whatever,
we even hearing the Dame. We just fuck you, fuck you,
fuck you. We like this Brooklyn niggas. We in a
Dame like that.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Niggas talking to me the Dames Cole you know he
was he always could fight.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I ain't never lied like he always talked that ship.
Yeah here he I seen him chip niggas up back.
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Like I'm afraid he never was no punk, but he
like he stayed there let us do all that. He
did some flash like yo, let me speak to you'll,
that's from two minutes of your time. Put us on
the corner and was like, don't let these Brooklyn niggas
get in between niggas that you really fuck with. I
know what your niggas is doing. I understand the whole thing,
but don't do it this way. It's going cause a

(35:22):
nasty outcome.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Like nigga, I'm up. That's right.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
You heard like your niggas just signed to some other
niggas from Brooklyn that you don't know about, and you're
playing with niggas that really got it her. That conversation
right there broke the barrier for us to getting back
in with Dame. That conversation led to him end up

(35:47):
being able to sign, being able to have Dame manage
him because after that conversation, Unentertaining unlost his whole label
deal for sixty four million dollars. I mean, I'm he
then real time is nobody could tell me nothing about this.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I'm there in real time.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Whatever cam was I was, it wasn't no conversation, nothing
that you heard that unloses that shit.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
We gotta go back to Sony.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Niggas is in a disarrayed They saying Sony is the
worst label, they're gonna do shit for us, and that
it's over.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Cam calls.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Dang m, I'm gonna need you to manage me. Let
me figure the shit out. Dame was like, Yo, we
gotta get you out of Sony deal.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Toughest shit that nigga ever did was come through with
a bunch of niggas and pull a fifty two fake
out on forcing their hand to sign them out of
that contract deal inside that Sony building. But none of
them niggas wasn't gonna do nothing. I'm telling you that
I know none of them niggas was tough. He bringing
up to you just a bunch of regular blood niggas.
You can see your niggas know you wasn't gonna do nothing.

(36:48):
You don't nobody touching up from regular shirt. But he
got him sign them out the contract.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
After he signed them out the contract, I ended up
leaving the dam to be able to let me see
what we're doing with this Rockefellers. And it goes into
your movie Payton Full Rocky Color dis turns a whole
life around.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
And oh One. I believe it was. Damn they're from
oh One. We started the engine back up.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
We was able to come back in with the diplomats,
start putting the diplomats because we was out the game.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, yeah, I was in Ohio for a minute. Ohio,
in Ohio. YT's don't do that. Them niggas was visiting
the tourist in Ohio. Shout but my niggas. I got
niggas that's doing life right now. Papa Joe certified millionaire
from from Ohio. We want to talk about niggas that
was getting it in Ohio. Don't play with us. Bro

(37:32):
shouts the chubs you heard, shouts the milk, even though
niggas not on the same page. Shout out the real
niggas that really put on in Ohio. These are real
Ohio legends, million dollar niggas. Let's get that's not get
that her. Yeah, her petty hustling had nothing to do
with what these niggas was doing. You did not change
the climate at all in Ohio. Ohio is a multimillion

(37:54):
dollar hustler stated always has been nigga fact and these
niggas that was getting the Ohio was reason you'll be
even sing the song r I P Chubby Baby. I
love you to death, nigga. You know I'm still holding
you down where you gone, nigga, everything, family and all.
That's how tough death, Nigga. I never let niggas take
nothing away from you at all now with no lives,

(38:15):
no nothing, bro at all. Ohio is Chubby town, period.
That's where it started from. And Chubby had more loyalty
than most niggas. I watched Chubby put it all on
the line on the love for niggas, and it's dip
set ship. Chubby saved dip set. They want to get crazy, Nigga,
you hurt. Chubby saved dip Set. That bag wouldn't they
came if it wasn't for Chubby allowing niggas to even

(38:35):
come nowhere near room. Bro. Don't play with us, bro. No,
I wasn't in Ohio, nigga. I was hearing these New
York streets doing what I had to do. These niggas
talking about shouts to Chubby Baby. I don't mean it
get hot, but that shit get me mad. I know
the passionate broke. That's right, her, You're passionate when it's real.
You want to get back, nigga, real million dollars, niggas

(38:56):
you hurt seeing it with my own two eyes. But
now back to what we were talking about. Sorry about that. No, no, no, dude,
you can't let none slide when it comes to lies.
I'm not about that. I'm a truth teller. But when
you see somebody oppose these words I tell, and you
have to figure out what they're talking about, because I
know what I'm telling. I ain't got no lie. I
don't got to lie about my truth. I wear everything
on my sleeve. I tell you about my losses because

(39:18):
my wins are even better. That's a fact. And you're
winning now, Bro, you winning? You should in my opinion,
my advice to you, bro, don't let none of this
ship get to don't. But I'm a very very emotional person.
You can't your cancer like me. Man, You can't se
I'm the same way. But I definitely, definitely I don't

(39:40):
let none of this ship you do? You like put
it like this, the truth, But the truth don't need
to be defended. The lie do all the time. Remember that, bro,
But if people don't know the truth, the truth, it's
gonna come eventually it's gonna reveal itself. Bro. Remember that
used to na It happens in real life. You need
to tell the truth.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Sometimes lie will take the place of the truth, and
by time they find out the truth, the lie already won.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
And it's entertainment shit. You one hundred thousand percent right
because and it's entertainment shit. The lies more entertaining than
the truth. Like Sean, I love that Charlemagne say that, Bro,
That's one of the illess statements to me in this shit,
that the lies more entertaining. Yeah, if you say you
don't lie, that's a fact. You're a liar.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
If you won't say it to the truth of my story,
I don't have no lives of.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's right, nah, man, you like nor Re said something
to me and it didn't hit me until I started
doing Rock Solid. That yo, the man next to the
man is more important than the man today. And if
you really think about it, we are everybody owed, everybody

(40:50):
that they came in with, whether they the big homie,
the O G your bro, whatever, they all falling back.
Who on the front line? Me? You ya, yo? You
know what I mean? Like the the man like even
splif Star, he rapped. He just sent me a joint.
I got it, Like, I'm like, I got you, bro.
You know what I'm saying, Like, the difference is is

(41:16):
I'm a partner, nigga. That's what I'm saying. That's what
I said.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
It's a difference. I'm dame in a situation that never
was on paper, so niggas did.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
That's why you've been saying niggas back door bullshit.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I'm damning the situation that never got writing credits on
none of the albums. I'm daming the situation that got
cheated out of so much thousands of dollars. As I
start to learn the game, but they say the game
is to be sold the bulls. That's why I'm telling
niggas how to get busy in this. That's right, platform,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
They're never had nothing because they hit it from me
and they stole from me. I just told niggas I
hate the term gatekeeper because the niggas who hold protected
the Gator saw my ship back retroactive. Nigga, out your
out your shirt, nigga, your up, bad nigga. Niggas. No
niggas to get Wedgy's hung upside down.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Bro, you ain't even got I'm just saying like you did,
like the things that I've been up against. When people
look at my story and ship like that, I'm only
telling you because you've been in this dynamic that's right
understanding position.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
But my position is a little bit different. Damn. In
my position, it comes to that I didn't know that
I was see I didn't know that I didn't know
that that you was helping niggas with the songs to
produce it, everything, and they just never put it on paper.
That's like, I have a lot of verbal contracts because
I have a lot of brothers and I would never break.

(42:32):
I feel like a verbal contract with my bros is
more important than a contract with these fucking companies and
we riding together. That's it. Everything you don't know about,
that's right. You wrote on my album. I have throw
you that bad not coming out of my pocket that
you need to put your name on it. That's one
hundred percent fat. Let me get you your publishing. Do

(42:54):
you gotta publish it? Let me show you what publishing is.
That's one hundred percent fat. Teach you alling this. When
you get signed to a make label, nigga, think about this.
I tell people all the time, Jay Rope coming to
age one and two. But you know, get the publisher
for it me because he still gave me the publisher.
And that's fire. I feel exactly what you because I

(43:17):
would hate for a nigga to be the opposite way
I was putting in the work, and you took it
from me.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Even to me, I turned around and and and you
couldn't understand how I treat artists that I deal with.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I don't even take money from my artist deals. And
you asked him that you can ask any one of them,
do I take anything from them? Because I've been so
shell shocked and how niggas treated me. I would hate
to feel like I'm treating somebody the way people treated me.
Now that's the fact. And I'm the same way. And
you got bro, you got all the new artists uptown.

(43:47):
You're doing speak on the new artists. Man, you got
Dice pay so all of them. I fucked with Dice,
Dice making word out by. I always used to say
the big niggas is nice because they funny and nice
them niggas? Is that the word up? A few artists
do sta LEXI? Yeah, shot the tailor shots to the.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I'm working man, working bro. I'm blessed to be in
this position. I'm grateful to be here. Through everything we
talked about, Let's not forget these are things that we're
talking about, are things from the past.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
That's right. I don't want nobody to take.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
To personalize none of this type of shit. I'm just
telling you a dope story. Maybe one day I write
a book from my perspective of the things that I've
been through in this industry and ship like that.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
But I take everything from with a grain of salt. Man,
don't take that I'm saying too serious.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Take from it from and see what you what you
could take from it to use it in the future.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Saying that's why I bro, it's dope. You're doing this
artists to artists, Man, this is fire, bro, because you
got a lot of game. You've been through a lot
and you inspired a lot. You you you inspired the
whole generation, my g and they need to hear the truth.
They want to hear the story, you know what I mean.
Like sometimes through the music we put our stories in it,
but we flowing. Some niggas might not understand the story.

(45:09):
They just understand the rhythm. But this platform right here,
what you created, the compound, you created, the artists, you create,
a fashion house. You created, my g Yeah, not look
at it like this. Motherfuckers might have cheated you then,
but all they could do now is treat you. They
can't cheat you again, you know what I'm saying. So

(45:31):
it's a lesson that turned into a blessing for you, bro,
and you gotta you gotta be appreciative to that man.
Fuck the bullshit, fuck the back in the days. You know,
don't let That's why I say, don't let it get
to cause you win it. Any nigga would give they
left home to do what you're doing right now. My nigga,
you kidding me. Half these niggas you talk about want
to be you still. That's why they are. That's why

(45:53):
they don't want to have that conversation with you, because
they can't look the man that they wanted to be
that you became in the face. You ever thought about
it that way, Like it's hard to face yourself in
the mirror when you ain't become that man you wanted
to be and your homie became him, right, You gotta
think about it that way too, it's flip sides, two

(46:15):
sides to every coin. Bro. And you, Bro, you weathered
the storm. You successful, Your family healthy, mom's doing good, looking,
good kids, is healthy and beautiful. Your son graduated college,
if I'm not mistaken right.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
College, but you graduate high school. He's helping me build
this whole building, Sep. Come on, Brown Floyd.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
He's here working every day with me doing that thing
it needs to be done. That's the legacy you created, bro,
and that's what it's about, Jim. Don't ever lose track
on that. You stay focused and continue this shit. Bro. Look,
you got a whole fucking team here, my nigga, I
just started by shit, I ain't got a photographer. You
got like ten of them niggas loan me too, nigga. No, man,

(46:57):
it's good. It's different. So I mean, being in this
podcast space is different.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And I wouldn't say like the way things are going
is pushing a lot of us there, but it's pushing.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
A lot of us there. That's right, man.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Relevant in this game because it's an extension of music.
As much as I may have clounted, as much as
I've may had said something about it, because it wasn't
my time. That's right to do things in my space
and that you did. But I can't tell you this.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
It has opened my mind up so much more.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yes, from the first time that I've did this part
because it's a whole different lay of business. Yo, it's crazy,
like I can't implement the same energy that I did.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
With music, Yes, into this.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
It is creativity you could put into this, like, I
don't think it's no different.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
No, it ain't. Only difference I think it is with
this is that you got to show more person personality,
that's it. And now you have to be truthful, like
you said.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
And that's how I was telling So for right now,
I'm the only interviewing people that I got history with.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
That's right, that I might and I know that other
than that, that's how I was doing the same ship.
I can't do it be a time for that, yes,
because that's business. It's gonna come with bag whatever you're
get more comfortable than you. Let me have my fun.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, with me being a fan Yes, her of certain
people that I've seen, Yes, the brothers that I funk
with and this ship, let me do. Let me get
that all out her, right, and then we could dive
into the rest of the all the ship.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
You know what I mean? That was one of the
things I was telling Nori when I first I'm like, yo, Bro,
I'm not a journalist, my nigga. I don't want to
sit here and ask these niggas, but Bill, what was
your thought price process making the album? I don't even
listen to some of these niggas albums. I can't asks
of that man. He like, Yo, Bro, it ain't about that.
Talk to your homies, talk to your niggas. Don't know
the relationships you got. They don't know the brotherhoods you

(48:59):
have with a lot of people. And I ain't gonna lie, bro.
When I first did this shit, I wrote a list down.
I have it on my phone, the rock solid list
on who I wanted to interview, and I had you
ain't cam up there, but I put a like a check,
like a star next to it, like I don't know
if it's gonna happen. And it happened. Like it's been

(49:21):
years since we really sat down and kicked it like bros.
And I'm happy that this platform created though, Bro.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
So when you heard Diroc Nation was about to do
a deal to managing Jim Jones.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
What the fuck did you say to yourself? I called
Vic Medina. I was like, Yo, is this shit real?
He was like, nah, it's real, bro. He was like
me and O g wa man. He was like, YO,
trust me, Jim ain't on that bullshit. Man, his family.
It's love, man. We're trying to get money niggas off
that bullshit. You can ask vict what I said. I said, Man,
Jim always been my bro, always been a our money.

(50:00):
I'm happy, Yo, I've been happy. I wasn't hating. That
wasn't nothing. That was like, Yo, they bugging, why they
doing that? I just looked at it as niggas is growing. Bro,
It's time. Man. If we're gonna get the bag, only
way we could get it is by unifying you. Not
you can't get the bank. It's not gonna give you
all the money by yourself. They want to see you

(50:21):
got the whole working machine behind you, and then they're
gonna fund or any any idea you on just coming
in here by yourself to my year. I'm ready to
build this building over here. They like, where the GC,
where the plumber? Where do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
If you don't that whole years since the conversation of
me is Vic had at the gym when I seen
him to actually going to the meeting with Lob just
like and then before that, the place where I was
in life was a very scary place. I kind of

(50:59):
this cam back from Miami, not really doing music, but
the lifestyle I live.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I gotta make some real money. Let me to do
a lot of things I may not may not have
been beneficial to me if you dig like damn. And
I seen Vic one day in the gym and we're
just talking and ship like that, and he's like like
y'all can get your man down there. He's just saying
it like like matisfactory, Like it wasn't like no big

(51:30):
conversation about shas love you there there.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Like and I'm like, make it happen. Fuck it Like
where I was, I was like, yo, bro, you kind
of stop. Let everything go. These niggas ain't here right
now paying your bills. You want to rut with your
house like it's just a lot going on. Niggas, do
yourself a favor and try some ship and try something different.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
And you knew, like I even wanted to show you
that I was with you when you did the deal
because there wasn't no way to get with you when
you first did the management deal until you did the
weed launch. You know what I mean. Remember you had
your first party in La. I was there, my G.
I pulled right up like this. I remember your face

(52:16):
when you saw me. You was just like, oh shau.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
It was you know, I look old, but it's like
seeing you was like like, oh nah.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
This ship is for real. It felt good because it was.
It felt good for the fact that I know that
I I was able.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
To clean my face when I spoke to O G.
Wanna came down there called J J like everything, let's right,
let's wrong.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
And you know, for so much shit that I've did
in this industry nine most of the ship that I
did was for the cause that's right for myself, her team.
But I know that I did a lot of ship
that I closed a lot of doors. I did some
weak yo whack. Ship's a lot of people like and
not to say it like that, like I'm out there
thugging and ship like this, just like, but I know

(53:05):
that J.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Was so powerful that the moment people see I was
able to do that, that it would lift the sanction
for so many doors for me moving forward as a fact.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
And that's what I needed. I didn't need nothing, Nigga.
I spent more on the jet to go meet j
in La than I made at Rockefeller at Rock Nation. Wow,
I'm telling you that, I believe it.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Eighty grand on on on a G five Global to
go there round trip. I never made eighty grand real
rock Nation. Not to say I couldn't. Yeah, but I'm
a hustler just going up. Oh yeah, rock Nation.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Nothing that's right.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Like I never had a meeting with Daz and you
know you ination you gotta sit down.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Word up. Nigga tied me in on some mobh and
but if you was through one, then you are through
da but straight up, yeah, but you needed to talk
to many people that she's the talk. But I knew
what that was. Yes, I just wanted to make sure
they knew the nigga. I'm on a different level and
well I'm moving. It's way different the clean face I got.

(54:17):
Don't need no money, nothing from nobody. I don't even
like bringing up bad ship, but I knew you was
different when you flip the ball in controversy with Jay,
I think about it. Half these rappers don't even want
it me. It's a million dish songs about me. I
can't listen to them motherfuckers, let alone promoted like, yeah, nigga,

(54:38):
we win, and you sent my name we up. You
about the only nigga who flipped that w say my
name like records word up.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Never said nobody else's name is mind's on his records.
You was pop popping bottles the day he dropped the ball.
That nigga was like, we won, Nigga, we are in
the world.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I love that because that show nigga, that showed right
there powerful that they was gonna play the disrecord as
much as they was gonna play. And that's your beat
is your that's my ship. That's we can't dispensed for
that right up as a remix. Let's go hate at
the show too. That's you flipped it and and and

(55:25):
that right there shows humility and integrity and your strength. Bro.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Like not too many niggas, like like Jay respects that type.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Of shop, Yes man, because niggas, you're all of us.
When we've seen the niggas. I'm pretty sure my biggy,
I pretty sure niggas was like, are you fucking serious?
Who nigga you gotta gonna laugh like, bro, he fucking
used it to make it a W by G, a
supern super W a super W To the point, nigga,

(56:00):
don't even bring it up. Think every rapper guy, no,
they have beef with this person and then they go
back to the niggas don't even play that shit no more.
It's just yes, that's it, the baller refix. That's it,
balling the ball and remix one hundred percent. Bro. So
just shit like that. You gotta know that you special
and you different. Bro. This game is designed. Like I said, Jim,

(56:23):
you've been winning for years, bro, and to come from
not rapping to doing what you're doing now, Bro, I
bet you I got about fifteen niggas that have sit
there and be like, Yo, teach me how to rap, Jim,
show me that mean I'm gonna do that same shit
you just did. Just show me how to rap real quick,
because Bro, it's not it is not possible. This is not.

(56:46):
This don't happen for everybody. You know what I'm saying.
My nigga like it. Niggas who've been rapping their whole life,
who never sink the shit you saw or achieved the
success you achieved. You know what I mean? Like, this
shit is real, bro, and don't never take it for granted.
My g Like, I know you emotional. We both cancers,
but can hell yeah my nigga, Hell yeah, no, I

(57:11):
see so loyal to word out, but I can't understand,
totally understand. He lucky to have asked my brother your
whole yeah, man, lucky to have a nigga like bleak
my Jim Corner. He's a cancer. Man. I can't tell
you different. We love different, Bro, not perfect, but if

(57:35):
I say I love you, it's up forever, forever for
a man that's a fat He understood what he got
because I try to tell niggas keep me close. No,
But the conversation I had with Bro right, we spoke
on camera, he spoke his piece, he said what he said,

(57:55):
but off camera, the things he said to me, I
just want to say to you, I ain't gonna say because
that's for y'all to speak. So I ain't gonna be
like Yo, this nigga said, Dad, This nigga said that
I just know the door and closed, Bro. I mean,
I don't worried about the door because I got y'all brothers,
my nigga and that nigga love you, my nigga, like
one hundred percent. And I got love for that man too.

(58:16):
But you focus. I gotta do what I gotta do.
What's up with? What's up with? Saying Tana, My Jason
and Good spoke to him the other two days ago.
He wanted me to he want to start doing.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
You want to start doing the show here about intervention
m And I think that's very special.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
That's a fact. It is because him going through his.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Bats with his own personal things and ship like that,
as we all may have seen, or you know what
I mean, And to see him gaining control and focused,
focusing up, like people gotta realize you we else has
been damning millionaires as a teenager.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
That's a fact. You don't see that shit happen too often,
people don no. I met Juwel's he was in a
group with bath Game and that was the and they
was trying to sign the rocket for some deals with him.
And I was like, he was like four fourteen, my
geecuz I was doing memph bleak is at this. He
met Jewels when he was sixteen. He was a millionaire
by the time he was eighteen. That's a fact going

(59:19):
on tall you understand.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
So people don't understand the dynamic of how much pressure
it is to be that young with that much of money,
and the obsessive game.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
You lead. You drive, don't even lead you drive.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
We're looking for vices every day because every day is
a party in this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
If you don't focus up, that's a fact. You just partying.
So when you start so young and you're so impressionable,
by the time you get to an ad where you
where it's time to focus, it's not as easy as
it was.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
And if you don't have the right people in your
corner guiding you from such a young age, it could
be detrimental. And that's why I love baby Bro because
he's always been a warrior. You heard, He's always been
a warrior. No matter what, He's figured out how to
take care of himself. He's been way stronger than I
can ever be. And through all people see, they don't

(01:00:19):
see that man still take care of his family, still
pay them bills.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
He was locked up and he paid all his bills.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Do you think that shit is easy to be in
federal confinement and don't have no records on the radio
and you're a platinum artist and you still gotta feed
your family. You heard, and you imagine how that phone
call is when you got to make sure that money
is there and you're dealing with niggas that be playing
with you because they're out in the street and freedom
and you were in there trying to protect your family
and feed them. They'll never tell you about that type

(01:00:48):
of ship that a lot of people got to go through.
But for him, he's a fucking champion, like a super champion.
He's been one of the people that people will adore
it and he's he's been built the curveball.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And it's as.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Much as I would say I have nothing to do
with I have all to do with it, But I'm
I'm being accountable because of how Lloyd loyal I am
to what I was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
But I look at it as when everything went left
with Dipset, you you took him more under the little
brother role at that point. I had to be way
too late for that advantage that was choking of him already.
But remember, I'm not signed to nothing. I can't dictate ship.
I'm not on nobody's paper. I ain't the nigga I'm

(01:01:34):
a so called CEO. You heard, like, it's not my position,
but Shoss is I love him the bro man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
You know that anything that you need that I've always
been there and I'm gonna do anything that you need
moving forward. And we're gonna get this intervention show together
is gonna be one of the I have ever seen her,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
And he got some music.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
He was just playing me some ship the other day.
I don't want to know first got this record. Way,
I don't even want. I'm not gonna rule for him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna rule
it for boy. He got some ship that's right now
president day that he's gonna fuck niggers up with word
like even through our few right like Santana used to
be in the studio with us in Breale with Bathgate like,
he used to be around all the time. Like and
one thing I always respected Santana, Like even when we

(01:02:21):
had our drama. If you ever really pay attention, Santana
never said my name. He didn't. He didn't, he didn't,
he didn't. It wasn't about him, man like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
And he tried to play his part as much as
he could without feeling like he was doing some ship
he didn't want to do. You understand what I'm saying,
because he respected you had relationships with these people before
he had relationships with us, and he definitely or her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
That you're digging. It is so crazy how in my
heart Santana could have been just as influential as Jay.
And I always say that he's always been my favorite
rapp And I think that if we got it in
the right way and had to and and I say

(01:03:10):
that all the time, and this is why I'd be like,
it's a lot for me also.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
But we're gonna sit there and have a talk to
for the people, and it's going to be the most
illess conversations that everybody, anybody has heard in our culture.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
That's right, because you know him better than to see.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Multi platinum artists go through his history of how this
game can take you up and take you down, Like
he got a cold story, bro, one of the youngest
artists had in the biggest artists, Like they don't talk
about these child prodigies that get.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Handled the way they get handled and ship like that.
And it's hard, but I'm willing to show my half
of it because I ain't innocent. I play a hand
in it, M heard because of what we were doing
was chasing the business. But it was a business of
how they teach us how to do business. This game,
I wouldn't crooked. I would have fault this on cam

(01:04:04):
you heard. I can't place that blame with them. I
faulted on how the game was talked to us. Yes,
the game is what I'm talking about. People tell you like, nah,
you gotta get this percent. Now take this from them niggas.
Take this from the niggas. Like, these niggas was raping
all this wholeheartedly. Bro Like. And I've been watching this
and I'm like, god, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
And you only know what you know until somebody sees
you something different, until it is up in your face.
And if it didn't blow up in our face, then
I don't think that it would have ever come to
this place where we are right now, where there's a
possibility where where he can get back to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
What he lost. No, that's a fact, bro. This game
is crooked. Bro Like, it's a lot of ship you.
Then they don't teach you coming into it, they don't
tell you, they don't prepare you for I don't own
my masters, nor can I get my masters back, Nigga,
let me sign a life contract, lifetime contract where Cosh
owns my masters for the lifetime of my fucking life.
But that's what I'm trying to tell you about dealing

(01:05:00):
with niggas that you trust. You heard, so you gotta
be careful out here, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, a man accountable for your own mistakes and trusting
people too much. So I can't blame nobody but my
fucking self at the end of the day. That's why
you never hear me mention it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
They't never hear me be a soud puss about it
because it's all on me at the end of the day.
And I knew I should be way smarter than that,
know me personally. That's why Dame always gonna have a
special place in my heart, bro, because I had a
fucked up contract as a young nigga and he made
the call and fixed it, got my lawyer right, and
that nigga he told me something man that I try

(01:05:36):
to tell these kids. Man, don't pay somebody to read
something for you. Pay somebody to teach you what's gotta
be read for you. You know what I mean, So
you understand it. Because like you, we could pay lawyers
and they're gonna read. They just gonna do what they
do for they for they you know what I mean,
they fee you giving them they seven fifty a contract

(01:05:56):
they like, Yeah, it says this sign up. It says
that it's good to go with my five percent. Yeah,
it's good to go. Don't worry about it's six fifty
on the table sign They don't care. So that's why
when he told me, pay somebody to teach you, not
just read for you, It's like, damn, that makes sense.
So it's cool. You got a great person in your corner.
So it's like for me, I took the same Yeah,

(01:06:19):
I did a deal with the same lawyer you had,
So how the fuck you got your masters? I don't
got minds. That's a fact. I did everything you did.
I followed your lead. But it's cool because I learned
how to follow my own way. You could ever get them,
like I mean, maybe it would be my lawyer be fighting.
I'm just telling you right now, sayings contractually that's what

(01:06:42):
it states, not saying I can't never get it back,
not saying that I'm not fighting to get it back. Yes, yes, applicably,
Is that how it works? Did I say the word right? Yeah,
accurately with these words back up fucking with fair, with fair?

(01:07:03):
But yeah man wrong like drinking today? Yeah? Yo, that
word you said that the word this lineage said what
I said? I don't know. I think you said, lie
back on some ship, Yo, my nigga, I was that's
a small man? Yes, I swear, I swear be small,

(01:07:24):
but I ain't small. Jack of all trade? Do you
know what the jack all trade is? Oh? Yeah? Like chameleon?
Do anything? Do everything I'm doing perfect the definition of
a jack of all trade? So you know it. I'm
the master of none, but I'm better than the master
of Oh see, learned of none, but I'm better than

(01:07:45):
the master of one. I like that. I ain't know
the true definition, but I knew the master of jack
of all trades. I felt like, you do everything. I
don't know, ship, but I'm better than you at what
you know how to do. I like that. That's what
that's that? That's that yo? I bush you ass to
two K but I haven't even played it yet. Understand

(01:08:07):
that word. I've been blessed with that a lot in
my life. So I'm I'm grateful to be able to
bounce back from so many situations and ship like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
And but in life, this ship has already written. I'm
really convincing the fact, man, we just we just living.
We just we just go and and that's what my
faith comes into because I definitely, I always it's no
way you're bleak, I'm telling you, and not too fucking sensationalized, glamorizing, nigga.
It's no way niggas escape the ship that I escape

(01:08:36):
to be here today.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I promise you that not everybody. I promise you that
I know I got niggas in the streets. They not
sitting here like you you fucking kidding me. It's it's
scary the amount of ship that I got to escape
by the grace of God. And I had to learn
that it was the grace of God. Nigga her because
this ship is almost amazing. Why I'm here, That's why

(01:09:00):
you definitely why you never thought about doing the movie
on your life, Like you come up yo, ready, Like
I got more life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
I'm still living in their life, like this is just
one movie. Once I stopped this the music part of
my life, we'll write that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
And talk about that journey like that journey that I'm
going on as a whole nother movie in itself. That's
a fact, man. That's that's what's up man. What's next
for my guy, Jim? What's the compound jail? I got
to do the tour. I gotta do the tour the compound,
put the toll part of the joint and walk you
all through this world. This this is what it's here for.

(01:09:37):
So it's a I'm building a multi purpose content.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Creation facility for media, broadcast, fashion, and music on all levels.
So on the property itself, we have soundstages, we have
recording studios, we have photo studios, we have dance studios,
places to to park casting, places to do gaming, and

(01:10:02):
we had, like it's just a lot going on. So
you're trying to encompass a one stop stopping shop for
anybody that's entertainment, so you can come here if you
do movies, television, music, fashion, creating centers, photography, photography like
and then we have uh storefronts that we building. So
we have a bar U sports bar that's built right now.

(01:10:23):
We like ninety eight percent is done with the sports bar.
What's the name of the bar?

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I don't even know what June named the fucking ball.
I know what's done. It might be Jones and we
got we're building a gym there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
We're building beauty sweet Steel bodega on the on the storefronts.
I'm building a little shopping center inside like I'm I'm
doing something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Yeah you on it, Yeah you are this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
This is my final destination for my hip hop journey
and also moving forward is my lias onto the rest
of the world or whatever I mean, conquer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Nah, that's what bro? That like talking about Dad you say,
I heard you flip the question back to me before
You're like, Yo, what's next for you? Same thing, bro,
build it, expand diversify the portfolio, you know what I mean, Like,
just do shit different outside of music, outside of entertainment.
Like that's why I started fucking with the Duce. You

(01:11:22):
know what I mean about all right? You know what
I mean? I just always think about market and you
being show Duce and ship like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Right, So it's like where's Bleak's x SOO Duce or
where's bleaks Coniac that's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Made by Duce? No, No, I don't want to compete.
It ain't a compete. It is it is If I
make a cognac, then it's gonna be with the baby head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Du say, if Duce makes the coniac, that's business. Now,
Coca Cola makes a bunch of different you know what I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Would make though you've been overseas, right and you know
when you're going the store, they have the mixtures already
made in the store. Maybe don't be coniac. Yeah. No,
I wanted to do a wine. I wanted to do
a wine because I drink wine. Me and my wife,
we be on that wine vibe. No alcohol, definitely implement
and that's what let me right now, that's what led

(01:12:18):
me into the other ship. I got do like, that's
what made me and my partner fresh. See we opened
up the Italian restaurant out there, and say how you
do this? I did you talk about the story about
is it Vegas? Yeah, yes, it's Vegas. Yeah we got
that still up right now. Yeah, Roma the name of it.
We got Roma Kitchen out there in Vegas. We gotta
we just opened up a bar called Tuscan Cove, Patio
and Grill out there in Vegas. I ain't gotta pay

(01:12:40):
for the thath No, man, come on, man, bring the fan.
Baby is good. Don't worry pasta on the mobsters heard out.
You know what I mean. We just opened up a
barber shop in Jurors. No, we got the weed in
Vegas and then fucking Maryland. Mind right, exotics Like I'm
just trying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
You need to know what you need, what you got
going on because people what a lot of you know
me from the hoods, that's right. Look at Bleaking don't
understand the business he's doing, and they always look at
Jay like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's why nigga, that's why you got niggas
like yeah yo talking about Yeah, Ja don't take care
of nigga. I don't need ja to go on tall
smoke hard coke yo, chill yo, chier. You look like
you need to be taken care of, nigga. You look
you need to go to the dentist. You need to know,
you need to brush your teeth. You look like you
need hot nigga. You look like you need help. Tell

(01:13:31):
your man fifty outs or something. You do need that
his nigga. That's why you look. I got a g
for every bumping your face, nigga. I promise you that, nigga.
That's promise you that. That's why you're worrying about you,
broke nigga. You know I got it? Nigga? What's up?
Ain't nobody the both sides and y'all both sides. Let

(01:13:54):
me finish that off. Ain't nobody taking care of niggas
over here? Be yeah? You good, my nigga. I fucking
love it. Niggas deserve it. They need to hear this shit, man,
because they bugging out here, all these niggas worrying about
who taken care we take care of We ain't no
who take care of who? Nigga? You know who doing it?

(01:14:15):
We live, we get money, you feel everybody, nigga, we
take care of each other. Nigga. That's a fact, my g.
But shit, Lincoln, back up with you, Jim. We missed
out on a lot of opportunity, bro, but we ain't
gonna miss it out going forward. We need to put
some pain together, bro. No, man, everybody that's right, like
you can't rush the process. No, it's gonna happen when

(01:14:38):
it's supposed to happen. And if it don't happen, it
wasn't nothing meant to happen. Should you should feel no
way about that? Neither? That's a fact. That's why we
sit in here, bro. You know real always make the
circle around the block, always gonna spin back around and
double back. So we hear. And with that being said, Jim,
I don't want this to be our last link up.
We fam Bro. We've been fan since the nineties, fucking

(01:14:59):
going on thirty years. My nigga, let's put this fucking
pain out in man. Feel me, my brother. Fucking love you,
my nigga, you my brother, my nigga, continue success, continue health,
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