September 2, 2025 • 57 mins
Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek.
This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Nick Cannon — Known for his grind as an actor, comedian, host, and entrepreneur, Nick dives into the journey that took him from stand-up stages in San Diego to becoming a household name across TV, film, and music. He speaks on building Wild ’N Out into a cultural empire, putting countless young comedians and artists on, and what it means to stay consistent in an industry that’s always shifting.
But this episode isn’t just about entertainment—it’s about legacy, family, and ownership. Nick opens up about the challenges of balancing fame with fatherhood, navigating controversy, and still finding ways to create opportunities for the next generation. With Bleek guiding the conversation, the two break down the importance of hustle, staying grounded, and carving out your own lane without losing sight of who you are.
Full of gems, laughs, and perspective, this Roc Solid episode shows why Nick Cannon is more than just a personality—he’s a blueprint for longevity, reinvention, and boss moves. Whether you respect him for his comedy, his music, or his business mind, you’ll walk away from this one inspired.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up y'all this shit Maine manor Memphis bleek right here.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
at Drink Chimps Big.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
With the year Memphis. I'm back at it, niggas.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Notice the difference, just going pro present, no stones. Yeah,
y'all you already know what it is. Back with another
addition of rock Solid. I got my brother in the building.
Been a very long time since I seen my guy
doing movies, TV shows, wilding out, flying all over the world,
(00:37):
battle when nigga's doing everything by g it's a pleasure
to have you in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Make some noise for Nick Cann and my GE's you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
All day he said, we ain't gonna get it done, un up, word.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It up, man, I appreciate you. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Stopping while pulling up to the set, man, it's been
a long time since they saw you.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, I was to say, chest Oh, no, man, we
go back to the now, ain't yo.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They really don't know, man, rest of piece of my
guy Klepto, Because I remember, yo, I remember that's when
you was coming with the balls.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
This before the acting.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That was the struggle too. That's when I really understood
how the game work and had to pick a lane
because I came in on some like like even having
like all of that the ghost writing stuff, I didn't
I didn't understand how the game work. I didn't understand
this was a game about songmaking. And then once you
(01:35):
get it to where it's like, you know again, I'm
trying to battle. I'm going to show you my hottest
this thing. I'm looking up the cast like you and
it's like, yo, I could speak. I was like, I
didn't know how to at the time, how to put
a song together as an MC, how to not just
to be saying stuff. And that I learned from y'all, man.
I learned how Like in.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The studio in Marcy, Charlamagne tried to fright.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Nick was in Marcy like, yeah, you know what I'm
saying with us, But y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's why, guy, that's what I'm saying. Do type cats. Man,
they helped I'm gonna be honest, they helped me pick
a lane because I'm being so authentic and comfortable on
my skin. But when you got the guys who don't
see the vision even whether you're talking that ship. Well,
like it's like, all right, I'm gonna go show y'all.
(02:30):
I'm gonna go show you how I could do it, yes, right,
my own way and still be cool with the street.
It's the cat still be cool with everybody, but not
trying to prove myself to nobody. And that's what me
and charlottete. It's always been in fun. But back back
in the day it used to be frustrating with cats
(02:50):
like charlomagne E Brow all of them guys who really
are the gatekeepers and the taste makers at the time,
because I would want to be like guy Bars I
could put like And that's one of the reasons why
I even created wild'n Out, because it was like I
could still spit talk that ship, but if I do
it in the setting that acceptable in mainstream and bring
(03:16):
the real to the mainstream. I was like, this is
gonna work. Now we looked twenty years later and ships
still gone.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Man Like wild Out is a conglomerate, you know, appreciate, like,
what was the thought process, like you just said.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It was it was mainly man like taking all the
world that I was operating in and bringing bringing them
together from you know, all of the stand up stuff
and really trying to put them type guys on and
from Cat William to Kevin Hart to like we was
just cast sitting in the front of the comedy club
or in the back talking that ship and then all
(03:54):
my hip hop find this was just like they had.
That's when Battling was at its height height. He's like
that was that like even at you know, the.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
They don't built the battle Rap League and still going yeah, no,
it's crazy. Your platform is is definitely the few that's
firing underground to that for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So I've been looking like that. I gotta get on
wilding out.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I have my artist on wilding out casting shout out
cast all day.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I remember where he was like, Yo, I'm doing wilding now.
I'm like, no way, you better go up being killing
gonna smoke you.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He got with them big personalities like that. That the
best on the show. You know what I mean, when
you come here trying to be too cool for school.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yo, Yo, I'll be trying to tell dudes that even
with doing this, it's like yo, we at the end,
like you know, being a rapp up. Everything was yo,
the image when the camera come on, you do the interviews, YO,
let them know we GenEd up from here we outside.
It's like your family. We at the end of our career.
Now rap to the grown end. Yes, you don't have
(05:00):
to be portrayed the young boy, no more than take
the fell off.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Like show them who you really are. Man, Like you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And it's like that, like we don't always carry guns
and I don't drink a suspense for break for breakfast
every day.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, it's just not reality.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Nah, that's the real shit. And that's what wild'n Out
gave me is the opportunity to do to come still
be yourself but have fun. It's beautiful scenery around.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I definitely got the lady one hundred percent. Man.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That's the thing that just put everybody at ease, you
know what I mean, Like everybody friendly, everybody cracking jokes,
and like I said, man, were about to be in
season twenty two right now.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Damn God blasts bro twenty two years and that's cooking.
But I want to go back to a little bit
because after the rapping, I remember when you're saying, yo,
I'm gonna try this acting thing. I'm gonna try this
acting thing. Yeah, and I got an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They send me the.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Drum roll everything like the road shit to everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Right, But I told you know. Jay was mad that
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Oh ll yo. He was so mad at me for
not wanting to do the movie.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But I was on my I'm not a drummer, I'm
from Marci And it looked like if it don't work,
and it was a.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Real new like the character was written probably a dude
from Harlem, but it was so New York because that
was the thing about taking New York to Atlanta, so
you you could have killed that shit.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I was honesty. I was afraid.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I was afraid of the cameras because I still have
my wrap of veil. And then I was looking at
it like, if it don't work, you can't go back
to the hood and tell them, yo, I'm trapping.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You fell, You're not a trapper no more. You a
felt drummer. That okay, how did the road fall into
your lap?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And I know you was like, this is golf.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Same shit. I mean, obviously, I always been like a
musician can suck around on the drums. Uh, you know,
just from like church and stuff like that. And then
it came across like I was out taking meeting in
la and they, you know, the cast, like you know
how the drama was like yeah, and then but yeah,
when I tell you because I know it's true, they
was like, Yo, they're reading everybody. I had to go
in like eight times for that ship, eight different times.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I thought you probably went through a training.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Oh yeah, by the time I got it, but like,
you know, but that was the thing. And then you know,
we got to Atlanta and I tapped in with my
man Dallas Austin and knew that it was his story
and we really you know, the train. It was like
a two month process to get right before we actually
started life. It's funny too, because what you want that
plane when we went from New York to Miami for
(07:38):
the summer jam ship for.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Jayson I believe, so yeah, we s a summer jam
hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Because I remember when it was because this was before
I was I mean, before anything popped off. Yes, and
I remember, uh tone you know toning track basters. He
was like, Yo, we're gonna take the plane and I
remember it was twelve of us. I remember it was Cays.
I remember Jay. I probably wasn't and I felt like
(08:05):
I can't remember what it was. But that's like Jay was,
you know, I was popping. You know, we was talking
ship and you know, Tom was telling like, Yo, this
kid really got it. Jame's like, yeah, I seen him before,
like that type ship, but we had never really kicked it.
And that was the first time. I feel like, you
know Leo at the time Leonor said the h sent
the jet. Yeah yeah, and and and Jay was like
(08:30):
I felt like you was there though. But then we
just flew down for a few hours. Yeah, no, what Atlanta?
It was wherever the summer jam was and JD was performing.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It was Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It was performing.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It was Atlanta because I remember we flew to Orlanta
a few times and performed their summer jam out.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And then on the way back the craziest ship like
we did the whole thing in the club. There's dinner all
that ship and then fucking the driver. It was a
female driver. She got so excited. We was on the
tarmac about to go back up. She got so excited,
then wanted to get a picture at the probably an
(09:13):
autograph with Jay. She jumps out the car. We on
the tarmac, that jumps off. The suv runs and Jay, okay,
I get a picture. The sub starts rolling towards the
plane and then she jumps back in. Yeah, tries to
jump up. Security still in the car and all of
that type shit. Instead of pushing the break, she puts gas.
(09:37):
That shit took off the nose of the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No, I wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'm the next day the Jay we had to stay.
They had to get a new plane. All that year
we had to stay. It was only supposed to be
a couple of hours we was going back to New York.
Took off the whole front of the plane. Swore you
was there, but because I remember being because we and
then we ended up going back to like the little
restaurant and then kicking it some more. And that's that
(10:02):
ship was so crazy. But then I remember I probably
saw Ja a couple of years later drum Line, and
he was like yeah that. He was like He's like
I remember, and now he's like, now you're walking in it.
He's like you're out here killing and that you know
that was ship two thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Function that two thousand. Ye that's how long J on them.
PJ just started.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Now he be.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That one was total yo.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So you done had TV deals, tech deals, movie deals.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Wait first before we get into the tech in the
TV bro loved don't course the things you every hood
nigga fuck with. That's a classic.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But I seen that movie once, Yo, ship. I seen
that movie, Like had a fucking blast making that ship
that it looked like it. Yeah, but that shit, like
to me, it showed like cause I did that right
after I did drum Line, and I was just trying
to show the diverse ability as an actress. I was like,
(11:15):
all right, I'm gonna do you know, the the knuckle heads,
all them kids. And then I was like, now I'm
gonna do some like suburban nerdy ship just to showcat
you know, the different.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It was because even the thing about it I got
to like I named it love don't cost the thing
no way.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, Like I did a draft on my own. I
was like, let me let me touch it before we
actually jump in and bring in my squad. And that
was everybody from Keenan Thompson. Obviously you know, Steve Harvey
playing my Pops. But uh yeah, I mean, what was
that shit called beforehand? It was some other shit. And
that was at the time j Lo had the song
love Don't coss. The thing it's actually based off of.
(11:57):
The script is based off of a movie he Can't
Buy Me Love, you know, the Ship from the Age
with Patrick Dempsey. So we did like the newer, updated version,
and I was like, Can't Buy Me Love is a
Beatles song, So I was like, why don't we just
name this whatever song is pop the same shit, Love
Don't cost a thing. And then so even from there
(12:18):
we just I just had to put my spin on it.
And then you know, like you said, turn into a
hood class said.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Oh yeah, that's a major class. Trust I still white.
Come on TV to this day.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I used to come on TV like every weekend.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That nigga's like this, let's watch this whole day.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Then, yo, you know it was a room up back
in the day because you was on Nickolodeon and so
you know, the hood thought you owned Nick.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well that's the thing too, like it was. I didn't
own it, like I was, this is a publicly traded coming.
But when I started the Hella young and then I
was like, man, one day, I'm gonna run this company.
And by the time I was twenty eight, thing two
that From two thousand and eight to twenty eight Team
I was the chairman of Team Nick. So I had
(13:04):
to create right there at Times Square fifteen, Fishing Broadway,
had the Crazy office, was running all of the content
for you know, from twelve to eighteen and just you know,
shout out to everybody up at Viacom. That gave me
the opportunity to really be an executive. And that's like
(13:26):
following the footsteps of Jay. I saw what he was
doing over there at Death jam At, you know, and
I was like I could If Jay can do that,
then I can get over here. And like I was
developing mass Up, created a couple of war shows and
TV shows and was really over there. And that was
the campaign. I mean, I'm sure the young people remember it.
The campaign was like I was the chairman of nickelodeonself.
(13:49):
I had like Taylor Swift calling in the office congratulated
me like it was in my office. Was crazy because
we used to shoot in my office. So it was
Hella big because it had the side with all of
the cameras and shit. So I've literally had the biggest
office up at Paramount Viacom because we were just over
there getting it like that for a decade's and that's
like literally going from a teenager to being an executive
(14:12):
over there was like a dream come true.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That's what's somepping. I swear everybody thought you did, like, yeah,
that's his network.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The crazy ship. A nickelodeon is a back in the day,
the way the cartoons were created, Like used to go
to like a Carnivore or some ship like that to
watch them ships, and you had to put a nickel
in a machine and trend that ship. And that's what
that machine was, called a nickelodeon.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh wow, it's crazy. Learned some ship show. So what
was your vision behind building incredible? Man?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Really, I've been fucking around, Like to me, my dream
was always to be a producer, to be and and
even like an executive for doing on some like I
was watching his move from Bad Boys so so deaf,
you know, Rockefeller, I'm watching you can have your own company,
And I never really want like as much as that
(15:11):
was the thing too, Like I wasn't trying to be
no rapper. I just wanted to be the producer and
be the cat behind all my guys in the hood.
And so even in high school, I was like, look,
I'm gonna fall back. I'll make these beats all that
type shit. And I created my first before. It was incredible.
It's called Cannout Ball, and I just had all my
(15:32):
guys with me. And then once I really incorporated television
and film with it as well, I was like, all right, well,
I can't have a film company called connout Bass. I
was like, I'm gonna call that shit incredible. And so
once we put that together and that was the thing.
It's like, it's a multi media company. I want to
do shit that niggas don't think.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You can do.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's right, and that's and that really early on we
created incredible and shit, it's been rocking ever since. But
just like I said, just learning from y'all, you know
what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You've been doing shit niggas think you can't do. Since again,
then when you first started, bro, what bro? You know
the host New Year's Eve, dropping all of the Lord, sure,
we red carpets all over.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I don't even like hosting, but they don't offer me
everything though, it's a mass single, like come season fourteen
right now.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
No chill, I gotta hang with him. I need to
be in season one and a half.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
One time you hurt Mad Singers fly b did you like,
was you help building build that structure?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah? Way launch, Yeah, the way that worked. I left
America's got talent, and everybody was like, that's a dream job.
You made it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Look you're making over the course of you know, it's
twenty million, you know what I mean, just all the
hosting TV type ship.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's insane. There's no rap party. You're gonna have a
home when you're getting twenty millions.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So when when I left that, everybody thought it's over,
Like you never gonna get another opportunity like that. And
I left on my own. So like every Howard Stern
ahead of Universal, Everybody's called me like, yo, what are
you doing? Like there's there's not another job like this
out there. There's only two chests out there. It was
rocking like that was me and Ryan Seacrest, right, you
(17:21):
know what I mean? So I was like, Nah, I'm
more than this. I'm more than just a TV host.
I'm more than just this job. Is like America's got talent,
like as much as dope as it was. I wanted
to show that this job didn't define me so and
I was NBC. So I went and did the deal
with the competitor. I went over, I went over the fox.
(17:43):
I'm going across the street, and I was. And then
they was trying to give me the host all of
this ship. They was like, all right, well you did
Americans got talent. Here's this concept. It's the world's got
talent or kids got talent. I was like, I'm not
hosting ship. That feels like anything I've already done. And
then so they send him mad concepts from all over
(18:03):
the world to me, and they sent me this tape
of this fucking shit in Korea and they it was
all of these costumes and why I ain't understand what
the hell was going on. Motherfuckersoked like they was having
a blast, like it was a good time, and they
singing songs and the constant. I was like, that shit
could work. I was like, I could see that working
(18:24):
in America. So I took the Korean concept with our
spin on it executive producers for Out the Gate, and
now it's more successful than America's got talent. We get
into the bad way heavier than when we were over there,
and it literally jumped from one franchise and created another
one that's more successful than the job that everybody said
(18:45):
I would never get again.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That's right, that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Man, When they closed the door, you kick it down
exactly straight up, bro So.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I said, kicked a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I remember when things went a little left with Vian Clone,
when you was like I'm done for.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I was that behind the scenes, and that was the
thing too, like to me, a literally that shit was
like heartbreaking almost because I had been there since a
teenager and I always thought they had my back. And
it's like that's the thing we talk about these big companies.
The individuals and the companies be good people, but when
you're dealing with a corporate infrastructure and board members and
(19:25):
you know, like the stock market and shit.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Like that, relationships don't matter.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
They even if they was calling like man, we want
to fix this, but it's got so blown out of proportion,
you know what I mean. And it was literally on
one of my platforms, one of my podcasts, you know,
for me sitting down with Griff just pop popping and
talking about real life ships, right, talking about us talking
(19:51):
like that's what always says, Like I was just standing
on business for the culture about like who we are
as black people. And then I think, you know, our
truths can hurt and offend sometimes, and people don't understand
that when you speak to your truth, your your truth
can be a weapon to somebody else, and a.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Lot of people try to weaponize.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, And that's the thing. And that's why I still
got all this shit tattered on my neck because like
after all of that happened, because I was like, look,
all I want to speak is truth. And even Minister
fairy Con because I you know, I had to go
sit down with him, were to Illinois and he was like, Yo,
it's the craziest thing is like even before it all
(20:36):
went down, like because it was footage from a while
ago that happened out there, and I went and said
with the minister and when he was like, now that
you're here, you know they're gonna come after you, right,
And I was like, what you mean? I think you
just talking this wisdom and I'm thinking he's talking bigger
picture it was, and not a week later that ship
(20:57):
popped off that and because and that that footage was
somebody cut the footage together to make it look like
I was on some anti Semitic stuff. And then obviously
I'm sitting with Driff and that's the thing. I'm trying
to give him the opportunity, like you and me sitting
here to talk about, you know, his redemption story, how
he feel like, you know, his career and his life
(21:20):
was snatched away from him for him standing on business
thirty years ago. And then in the same setting, because
of the conversation, the exact same thing happens to me.
And it's like, WHOA, this game is way heavier than
I thought it was. I'm thinking I'm at a level
to where I can have a conversation and where somebody
(21:42):
is this shit was really about reconciliation. That guots and
all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It wasn't even.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
And the same process just based off of fear and
based off of you know, propaganda and even tropes and
things like it's just certain things you don't know, you
stepping on lamb minds, you don't even know lambanks.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's in fact in the Internet.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Take things and blow it out of power and drive
it to if you like dog, I wasn't even trying
to go over it. He was right here with this.
So I definitely feel you.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But that's what I'm saying. But what that showed me
even as a business man, I set back because the
next question, I did have wilding Out in my back pocket.
I did. I did have such a real squad. That's
where I saw the loyalty. That's where I saw everybody
stand firm me, you know. And that's the thing. It
never got to the point where they was like, because
(22:38):
I mean, we were doing business, they couldn't remove me
from wilding Out if they wanted to. But they were
doing it to where it's like, we're not even gonna
do wilding out no more. You know what I mean,
We're not and and we we could kill it from
that setting, And you know, the squad was like, no
matter what y'all come with, we rocking with Nick.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's right, and that's how it's.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And the deal got better when we came back. But everybody,
that's right, you know what I mean. And then even
you know, we was eating good even through the pandemic
because of the deal that I had set up after
all of that controversy.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Man, that's what that's a blessing man to stay afloat
during all of.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That, keep it goal because a lot like we did,
like yeah, you look at some of them seasons, like
we really did a season in a vibe kind of
like this. We called it wilding Out after Dark where
because we had to have a mask on, we can't
have a real audience, the guests had to come in
virtual and it created a whole other movement. We did
that for like two three seasons, crazy COVID change the olde.
(23:38):
But that was literally on the hip. That was all
twenty twenty. That was on the heels of them trying
to cancel me.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's right, man.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So with that being said, and after all that I did,
I know, black ownership and media and everything now means
even more than you.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That hundred percent I mean, because that's what that was
my saving grace in that process. And you know what
I mean, and the real ones who knew who I was,
and the solid individuals stood next to me but understanding
like yo, you gotta build your own That's right, you
know what I mean? Because they you know that's even
this ship we see it with you know, o Gunk Shannon,
(24:16):
Like God, he got something to fall back on because
he built his own right, you know what I mean
like that because we all want to be in business
with these companies like Disney and Paramount. But but but
there's guidelines that you got it alive by in the
corporate infrastructure. You cannot you can't go to work acting
(24:39):
the ass yo, doing whatever you wanted to see it
just fire my man the CEO. He was at the cold, Yo.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I thought he was feeling like you.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
What's so crazy about that situation is he caused more
attention to itself and they ever would have been one
girl sitting around watching Jumbo truck footage like let me
see if my man on this Jumbo Trump footage at
they have to Beyonce show.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Just because the way they reacted it blew up.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That's crazy over my man, Shaye Shane. He definitely got
something to fall back on them. Definitely built his.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Own, Yes, but he would out, Yo. He wowed out, bro.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He did.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
He did some project ship.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I don't activities or what.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I'm on my way to unk level.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We passed that, Poppa.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's how to work.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It all.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
He was awful all straight up.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's Modfi Timmate that's definitely not activity unk activity.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
We chilling. We got bad needs were chilling, baby, we
vibe ball ship right Yo.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So what steps out to said, that's the man.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
What's next for the Nick Cannon movement? Incredible wilding. Now
I know I got to get on the season, go
up this.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Year, next season.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We got twenty episodes about to drop uh end of
the summer, and then we're back making fresh. So that's
why I said we need you on that joint heavy.
And that's the thing, Like, it's so crazy that we
had so many in the vault because I mean you
got to get two inside with like the all the
dealings that's going on, but even like all that ship
(26:35):
with like uh Colbert get Castle and associated with truck. Yeah,
that's all Yacount. Now it's called Paramount is the parent
company to everybody from BT to MTV, v H one, CBS.
They own all of that ship and they just sold
it to a company called sky.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Dance and and Swim Overseas. Yeah. And then the.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
President Trump had for when such a big, you know,
business transaction goes over, he got to make sure he
got to sign off on it because it's too many
billions going and so they have been waiting and that's
why they we see all people talking that shit. So
obviously my little old company, my brand is in the
midst of that. So we kind of been sitting back chilling.
(27:23):
But we had so many episodes and the tours and shit,
niggas has still been able to eat. But everybody, like
I said, the heads and BT, MTV, everybody just been
sitting waiting for this deal to go through so niggas
could get back to work. So were back at it now.
The shit went through, so now we're about to start
doing new episode see me.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I thank you for what you're doing, your contribution with
wilding out everything you give to the game, but especially
wilding out on the platform like MTV, b T. You know,
on the Paramount there is no music shows anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
That was the only spot for us to perform the
from Yeah, from Yay to little all of every everybody
came through because it was like us in one O
six in part at the time when it was going.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Out last of them all d T jams is about
to be gone.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
To your point, that's all into that care amount deal
like all of that, and that's the thing I mean
not even just act like it's that. Let's keep it
a stack. The platform is changing. This is where we're at. Yes,
So don't nobody. These kids don't watch TV no more so,
they're not making money. Channels is gone.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They get watching wild enough. You give them something to watch.
They're watching because I'm telling you my daughter in the
crib watching.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Bluey every day.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They're getting money.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
You give them something to watch, they're gonna watch it.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's just and it's just a shift. It's just a
paradown like and.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Any new blood new exactly, new eyes, new new brain,
new thinkers man, because it's just been the same show
as recycled with new actors actress all day.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And that's like one of the things that's the reason
why Wilding Out is so successful. I mean like we
had Coss and that on there three years ago, you
know what I mean, we had when when King Batch
is popping off with the bonds. Let we got cast
DCL flyers get it we see and.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
That shout out d C. Young he came a long
way doing he went.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
We spound them making videos with its fall to host
the TRL.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You know it's a guy definitely seeing per solid and
see where he going with super Solid.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I appreciate guys like.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That because even in the the comedian space is even
it's even dying.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Too many good comedians.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Real And now that's what I was saying, like, when
you can have a show like Wilding Out to be
that pipeline of that conduit in that bridge to one
general to others. So even as we watched the television
industry deteriorate, we're seeing the digital industry build up. And
even me like I got six seven five cast that work,
(30:14):
you know, just and and that's in that sense because
that's where the game is going, like and you gotta
be able to just adapt evolved, bobbing weave and all
that ship because if you just sit around, if I
would have got comfortable, I could have I could have
got comfortable on America's got talent, I gotta got caught
on Mass SINGERA got comfortable like I can't get comfortable.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's that's going That's the grinding that I love about
how we came up.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
There's no there's no ceiling, man, there's no limit.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's like they didn't say, Yo, get this much money
and stop, like I said, get all the money until
they close the bankers one us. Listen, there's no more
money in the fifty we stopped renting it. Yes, that's
when you stop, you know what I mean? So you
do all that being said, you know, the kids, the legacy, everything,
how you feel about what you're leaving in the world,
(31:06):
the mark you leaving, what you want your like your
kids to know about Nick briand the hustler, the man,
the businessman, the entrepreneur that you are.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I think that it's gonna speak for ourself, but you
tapped right into it. And it's when creating a legacy,
I say, it's lineage and legacy, your children, your family,
that's your lineage, you know what I mean. And your
legacy is what y'all build together. You know what I mean,
some real shit like your legacy. Like if it's if
(31:36):
it's the bodega on the corner and that's your family, shit,
that's your legacy, right, you know what I mean. If
it's the if it's the music y'all creat, if it's
the entertainment that you build up. So even as my family,
the vision that I have for my children, you know
what I mean, I'm like, Oh yeah, y'all got it.
It's gone, you know what I mean, even sitting here
talking about your young daughter and the content and all
(31:58):
of that, like that's that's our legacy in that sense,
and not not them as the legacy, but what they're
going to do. And that's how like to me as
a father, man was like, oh, I'm about to set
up a whole bunch of little soldiers to go run
and get it. It's a bunch of young knicks. That's
about they're getting in your busy.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
It's just right, man.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
So yo, one thing I did ask too. They're still
working on the Nipsey Ust documentary.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, so that's man, that's such a passion project and
I mean kind of invested so much money in time
into it, and it's it shows you that this game
not even was it's spiritual warfare. I'm gonna go a
step deeper because there's so many companies that we set with.
I mean, because we put the trailer out, we was
ready to go, we got all the footage, but it
(32:46):
takes and it's really a lot of it is the
post process of like clearance, people signing off family members
once it gets into that attorney world. And then not
to say that it can't have Its just a long
it's just a long process, especially when you start dealing
with stuff like big pharma, you know what I mean. Yeah,
(33:10):
Like you start it's like when you're dealing with corporations
at such a high level, when you start talking about
like holistic medicine and healing one, you don't want to
lie to nobody, true, you want to only offer up
the truth, and so you want to make sure your
fact check game is is crazy. And then when you
start talking about people that can cheer or heal you
(33:36):
know conditions like AIDS and HIV, SIPHLIS and you know
sickle cell and like that's that's what this country, that's
what this world is built off of, is keeping them
coming back on that medicine run. So not only are
they going to be people trying to prevent you from
(33:57):
putting certain information out there, there's also going be people
that's gonna be like, man, that's bullshit, conspiracy stuff, and
you want to be able to the only way to
appease all of that is with the truth and the
accurate stuff like this is what actually happened, And that's
even what Nip was on. He was like he was
(34:17):
like regardless if this is a man who went up
against the New York you know, whole government was on
trial in New York, the New York Supreme Court at
that level, and won, you know what I mean. So
just that story alone, and then all of the stuff
(34:38):
from how Nip and I's story got connected because he
was talking to me about doctor Sadan because my own
health situation with the loopis so we're touching on that.
And then at the same time, I'll be having to
do updates stuff because we started that documentary before the pandemic,
so we had to do all of that research and
(35:00):
everything with COVID and switched this out and then by
the time we still got it. I mean, and I
believe it's gonna come out, but it's like now it's like,
which story do we tell? Even the story of this documentary,
Like we don't went to Hondurs, we don't went to Africa.
We went everywhere, and making sure we're paying respect to
all of the families as well, because like doctor Savior,
(35:23):
if people say I must have got it here, that
think I got a lot of kids, like thirty maybe
more than that. And we was talking and interviewing everybody
and all of them had such amazing things to say
about their father, you know what I mean. And so
even in that process and making sure that business is
(35:44):
right and who's doing it and you know, even it
you know, with Niche legacy, never wanted to play with that,
you know what I mean, like just wanting to pay
respects to my homeboy and finish something that he wanted
to do. He had never actually started the documentary because
he was even in the place he was like, Man,
I'm on this rap shit, I don't really know you're not.
At the time, he was like, I don't know how
(36:05):
this film and television shit work. I was like, I
got you let's you know. And then from that, because
I got a production company because I know how to
do this shit, I was like, I'm gonna just take
it and run with it. But definitely one of the
most challenging difficult projects I've ever you know, taken on.
So and it's coming. I ain't gonna stop until I
can put it out.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And that natural remedy stuff. That shit is one hundred
percent fact.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
And now you know what, it was crazy though, because
me talking, it's one hundred percent fast. Because the earth
is the Earth. Yes, got like before me, and the
way our all doctor Sab was talking about is like
it's designed, like the food is our medicine. It's color coded.
It's right there for you, especially for us, because our diet,
(36:48):
our balance is different than you know, the Anglo Saxon
or the americanized that. And then they let you know
that they say ninety five percent of the stuff in
the grocery source today never existed a hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That's right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
So, like the stuff that we put in our body
ain't even food, it's all plastic. And then and then
we're wondering where the cancers come from. We're wondering where
all these conditions come from. Were wondering where our child's diagnosed,
where autism are coming from, because it's like it's the
stuff feeding that not even stuff we feeding to the kids,
and stuff we putting in our body, and then they
(37:25):
the kids just naturally getting it, you know what I mean.
So and so when you start talking about that, you
start talking to a certain doctor. Man, there was so
many doctors that was like, yo, I'll give you the information,
but I can't do the interview because they lose their
license or their life like you said at that, like, yo, bro, Like.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
The two most important things to me is the food
you eat and the doctor. The doctor you have, that's
the tru most support that in your life. Money means nothing.
It's well, that's right, it's fool and your doctor and
number one doctors always say life. You know, when I
was younger going to the dice and telling them, you,
I suffered from high blood pressure and so it runs
(38:05):
in my family.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
The first thing they used to be like, was give
you these pills.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It was.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It wasn't until I met this nurse she was like, yo, nah,
then just eat break food every day.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Wow, need no pills. No, I don't have no hot.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Exactly you know what I mean. And the same shit
I had a similar shit. They told me I was
gonna be on blood pressure medicine but the rest of
my life because of the loopish shit. I was like,
I ain't fucking with that, like you know what I mean,
Like I'm taking the same medicine my ninety nine year
old great grandmother got to take. And then same thing
got with some wild people that were just like, yo,
(38:39):
if you eat this, this removed this from your die.
I took. I had to take that pill in almost
ten years. Sure, And they was like they scare you,
like usually take it, take take you off of it,
You're gonna start to have seizures and all that type
of stuff. And I was like, nah, I cut all
that shit. And like, realistically, I used to when I
first got diagnosed with a little in twenty twelve, I
(39:01):
was taking thirty something pills a day. Way just this
one happened, this one and this one and this one that. Yeah,
and to they don't take ship, that's crazy, that's a blessing.
And that's really from the practice and learn it, you
know what I mean. Like and and not to knock
who met, but because yeah, I wouldn't be helped you
(39:22):
stay alive take that ship, right it was. It's been
an up and down journey for me because I'm like,
I ain't gonna take that ship, like I need that,
you know what I mean. You Like, I gotta go
into the you know, shoot, I just got over pneumonia
and when some shit hit me, it get different because
of the loop and shit. So I went down down,
and so I gotta go get infusions and all that shit.
(39:42):
So I'm not saying dope, I just I'm gonna do both.
You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna do the holistic shit.
I'm gonna take everything if it's gonna help me stay alive.
I'm gonna try that ship out. And so even through
that process, you know, luckily I can be in a
state right now where I don't I have to take
pills every day, because that was it was three or
four times a day. I gotta take this pill, make
(40:05):
sure I'm doing this so I know what that life
is like. In fact, if all I got to do
is shift my diet and remove certain things and put
more of this in there, and I don't have to
take this medicine, I'm lost.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Straight straight, That's what it is. That what it's all about.
Die straight up out of everything in the game that
you did. What you feel is your biggest contribution to
the game.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
So far, definitely, and even how you measure it before
the culture definitely wilding out, you know what I mean,
because of what it worked, Because it's an ecosystem, you
know what I mean. I watched so many people become
millionaires that started off were like, yo, I just want
to get on. Just let me, you know what I mean.
It's almost like I consider wilding out like a comedy club,
(40:53):
you know what I mean, Like everybody got like the
Hood comedy spot where the first time you saw Martin
on stage or the first time you saw you know,
Chris Rock on stage. Like that's what like, it's just
a wilding out comedy club and all of the cats.
If you can make it on this stage, you can
make it anywhere in the game. I think Cat Williams
said he saw wilding out as like the community pool
(41:15):
with the diving boarders, Like niggas just be sitting there,
like he told his old things, like you go step
up all that diving boarder for all of these real swimmers.
Don't do some ship you ask for. We're gonna make
fun of right, That's right.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You better stay away from what now, he said.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's some things that get up on that diving board
to start doing all type of flips this business like
he out of here. That's right, he got here. And
that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
When you see media like black media shifting doing next.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I mean, we're in it. I mean what you're doing
right now, you know, like it's crazy, like niggas don't
it's levels to it. But niggas don't really understand what
the bag ability right here.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I don't. I'm just getting in there and they can
pull my finger.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's the level when you get it right when you
go talk to the cat that it's cat's making hundreds
of millions of dollars and it's coming directly to them.
And even to that point, I mean not like I'm
trying to you on like this level of a telity
secrets of the game, because it's obvious. But the kids
(42:28):
is where it's at. Yeah, the family content is where
they're like, we set up here and talk ship all that.
Everything we say here is being regulated and monitored, and
there's nothing wrong with that. It's a free form to
talk your ship. We love it. But if you want
to make some money, you make that content that everybody
(42:48):
get because at the end of the day, these platforms,
as much as we think it's about the content, it's
an advertising business. This and the advertisers have shifted from
television and like and they spend all of their money
where the eyeballs are and where they can actually have
the ability to really understand the analytics of the money
(43:10):
that they're spending. It's a safe bet and the safest bet,
the safest content is family content. So that to me
just figuring out like you can create and make your
own bet with your own family. And it's really people
at that level that's provide for their family, just making
videos with their kids, making millions.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Trust me, I'm telling you, she's seeing it.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Gangs, because that's the people. We are spending most time,
them kids with them iPads, they phone. She watching all
them little kids. We're consuming more content now than ever
before in history because we don't put the phone down.
Everything is through the phone. Even the news comes in
the fun I learned what happens.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
In the world on Twitter before they're actually talking about
it on television all the way.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
It's insane how it goes that way now.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
So that's what if I had to see it, like
it's gonna We're empowering the next generation and content. That's
the thing. Even I feel like fame is gonna go away.
It's crazy, like I think, what it's gonna go away
because everybody's gonna be famous. Andy Warmer said that shit
back in the day. Said in the future, everybody's gonna
be famous for fifteen minutes. And it's gonna be more
(44:20):
about and we already witnessing it. It's almost like what
people would do, and it really is the core of
cloud chasing is what it's attention. You know what I said.
Attention is the new crack, yo, Like everybody just want
that one hit.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
And then some of them get it and don't know
what to do it and get addicted and it literally
they tell your family will sell everything just for that attention,
you know, And it's like, so that's the bad side
of where it's going.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
But the good side is if you know how to
control it. You know, that balances. It's literally people are
sitting around watching people stream twenty four hours a day
and they make it bread just I'm mad.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I'm I'm mad. I didn't paying attention when my son
was younger. My son used to watch YouTube people playing
the game and that's be like, yo, why did you
just go playing the game? How you want to watch
him playing the game that I that you just told
me by I just ain't all the.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Money, Yeah, but I didn't understand this is with an experience,
the communial experience of that of like, oh, I'm learning
from him. I feel like he's my friend because I'm
he playing in his room. I'm in my room watching him.
And now they be talking and watching this person and playing,
and it's like it's a whole different level, you know,
like you know, my oldest is fourteen, and he he
(45:40):
on it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Let's say fourteen, I say that I'm gonna keep it
all the way red. You got about a good three
more years. So he gonna be like, Pop, you, I'm
I'm outside, ain't you he always already here.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
It's like it's dark because they twin Monroe. She with me.
She want to lock in whatever, Yo, my son, Like,
I ain't want that.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yo, my son in twenty two.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Now he ain't checking for Pops because Pop's got the
check that the pall something drip Pops.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
What to ask?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Now?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
He was like, yo, I ran there just letting, you know,
because I don't want them to cut the car off.
It to your front, you know, the whole yay. She
was like, I'm gonna tell you you're gonna cut me off.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's right, gonna be like, whoo'spent twelve hundred or something?
Speaker 3 (46:29):
What that wasn't me exactly?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
That's a flat. These kids is crazy.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I ain't even give you my card number. How you
get in there?
Speaker 1 (46:37):
You know one thing I never asked you, bro, what
part where are you from? What part of the sittings?
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You know, it's crazy. Everybody always asked me that I
was born in San Diego, California.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yo, how the hell you ended up in New York.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Being young, hustling?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I love you outside, I love it, said my I'm
catching the flight.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Literally, I was in New York fifteen, sixteen years old.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yes, because we was moving around. I was fifteen. We
was moving around together. That's why I always thought you
was from New York.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And then I said to my wife, she was like,
I don't think it's from New York.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
But like when I was out there, all of them,
you know what that means. You know, I was moving
around real heavy at the time. God rest his soul
with Chris Lighty. Oh, yes, so that's how that's who
was really even like show me, yeah, like that's who
introduced me to everybody because I was a kid and
(47:35):
he had violator, you know, and that you know, I'm
sixteen years old with the with the black a rex, right,
I mean, like, and I'm just why I'm in the
tunnel you know what I mean. Chris is the first
person to take me to the tunnel with flex and like,
who fuck is this kid in here? And I'm I'm
seeing how y'all move? I'm like, yo, she was different,
(48:00):
ninety seven type of friend. Yeah, and that and that's
when I feel like I had got accepted before I
even got down with them. I was just a young
kid trying to entertain. And it's funny because I see
these young kids doing I see kids doing the same
thing that I was doing, like that, Pops are bringing
them up to yo. He could spit, he could rhyme yo.
He And I'm like, I was that same little kid
(48:20):
that just was like yo. And people looked out for me,
people respected because it could have went way left because
I was literally a kid outside by myself, catching flights.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Moving around on the train crazy.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
And like God covered me, man, because like I could
have and I see some ill shit, but like I
was always able to move, and people like, na, that's
a good kid. He gonna do his thing.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Once you got that that that path set for you, man,
it's only you can deter yourself from it. Like me
watching you, I always felt like you were the younger,
Will Smith.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Said, and that's what it was. And even at some
point in time, like Will said, Will gave me my
first official record deal and my first official television dick
and for me in my first movie Been in Black
two oh yeah yeah, and amazing too because everybody was
auditioning for drum line. When it was down to me
and one other cat. He made the call to the
(49:17):
head of the Fox because he had just did Independence Day.
It was like, Yo, this is the kid, so shouts
out the big Will. He looked out for me on
so many levels. I wrote a script when I was
like seventeen for my own TV show. He bought it,
signed me up all that shit. And that's that's actually
how I met Tone from the track matches well yeah yeah,
(49:38):
being in a session, way crazy right now, big bro.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Crazy right there styling on cosmic cat he outside ax.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yo, he got that. You do what the you want
to do, that's what you do. That's what music is about.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Here is about having fun and express And he's reached
such a level that you.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Do whatever you want to do. Man, will you do
your thing? Cause he got the bag?
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Whatever this I want to ask you this question being
the fact that you always maintain being who you are,
stand true, being solid, being connected to the streets. But
have witnessed his ship that is unfathomable levels of success
(50:29):
and money. How does one stay so connected? Because that's
what like even when I you know, I love Will,
but he not connected the way he once was to us,
you know what I mean, like cause and it's not
it's just because you get to such a you create
your own world, like J and B have created their
(50:52):
own world, Like Mariah that's her own world. Like that's
that's that's the closest I ever got to somebody who
has their own world, like not not like Yo, you
got your own money, Yo, you get to it, like
you can make it if you want it to rain,
it can rain if you want to go, if you
want to see a movie that ain't out yet, you
(51:14):
can bring that ship back, you know what I mean?
Like where it's that level of like it ain't even
about the amount of money. It's you just got your
own world. You could be on a villa and not
talk to nobody for months. So but everybody else got
to operate in the same world. That is the everyday
(51:34):
grind and struggles. How does one maintain to be like Yo,
I can still pull up on the block if I
want to. But then at the same time, I see
what's going on in that executive suite. And because like
cats like you are the conduit of like keeping people
of like Yo, you know they're saying this. You know
(51:57):
this is happening, you might want to adjust like this
because you can live in both faces.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I feel like it's the number one rule where they say,
never forget where you come from. I'm always still gonna
be attached to my roots, like no matter what, like
what we call it the.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Hood newspaper, I canna be amalleable.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
I'm still subscribed to the nest for some reason, it's
gonna come through my phone and like yo, such and
such just such happened to this. So I feel like
it's the company I kept and the family that I
built with my brothers that kid me grounded.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And I believe that's why guys like me, Emrie, Tatie.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
And she Wants we are those guys for Jay, because
you know, everybody in their life get to a point
where you're up here and you.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Can't even hear, You ain't frequency, you can't even hear
what's no, but you need that person that can still
tell you, hey, God, take the cape off, get back.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Down here to earth.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Put the clock kench big fact.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
You know so.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
And I think that's what kept me grounded. And I
didn't really work for this position. I felt like I
wrapped to be known in high school.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Girl, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
I didn't know you can be all over the world
like this. So when I seen Jane, remember that's just
my guy from my building.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Like your dog I raped. I want to rap with you.
He like, let me hear something, and he like that
cool you with me now. So it was just that easy.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
So I never wanted to feel like I gotta turn
my back or put my shoulder, like even when people
see me, be like, yot me get a picture. I
take a picture for everything everybody, because it's like the
ones I understand. The guys will be like, nah, no time,
because they had all time. They got their demo tapes
tossed out, had the wait in the rain, or.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
And it ain't even like they tried to issue. It's
like they just on a different free and it's like
I'm going this way. I'm just so appreciate that I
felt like I ain't supposed to be here.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
You don't even know who I am. Yeah, take this picture.
I don't run from paparazzi. They run from me because
piparazzi wanted to take the pictures of the people.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Who run it. I'm like, hey, I'm telling.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
He liked us. So that's what I think keeps me here.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
And then the honesty, just and you said, being honest,
telling the truth, speaking your truth.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
People could see and can tell when you fraud.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Because but like y'all are talk about legacy, I mean,
like you an icon.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
For the culture.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Ship you know what I mean? Like, wh when you
think about the first tell me when niggas heard you
and spitting back and forth like it was a movie,
Like we never saw the music video, but we can
hear like y'all was making a movie. Y'all made Marcy
feel like, oh ship, it was good feelings.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Bro. They have toys that go Marsa like then come
to our building.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
They leave the city forty second Street, come ship after
white girls in front of the bossy.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Side like this, I be bugging like, yo, it's a
tour to see the projects.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
That's who you know, that's how you level ship.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
You know it's different, and you know what I mean,
that's that's how level about you. That's what you are. Man.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
When that like when I told my dogs, like even
after the Breakfast Club interview and I'm telling niggas, they like, yo, you.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Really know nigga, I'm like, yeah, they like nigga. That's
fucking Will Smith to us. Why you ain't never getting
no movie that I don't know how to act.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
You see me a state dropperty they killed me quick
word up and you know I ain't even read that
script bro. I got on fly like I told them, Yo,
whoever the killer is, that's me.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
They're like that cool. So then when the day when
it was time for me to die, I'm like, who
wrote that part? We gotta change the scripture to do
It's like you never read the sprinklik.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
I'm like, no, y'all, just give me my lines. Let
me damn I go. So it's like, yeah, straight up.
I was fissed, like no way. Then I see Norri
when they was doing part two. He's like, yo, you
in the movie, Nori, this ship saw part one.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
They killed me. Unless I come back as a zollman,
I'm not in part two. They say this ship, But nah, man,
I appreciate you everything. Man. Like I said for stopping by.
We hit our goddamn time this time.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
You know what I mean, y'are another thirty word up, nigga,
there come, my g I ain't gonna hold you up.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You're going to Bota one time.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
You gonna get this money.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
That's right, No man, love my brother.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
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Speaker 1 (57:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and
the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
With the year Memphis. I'm back at it, niggas.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Notice the difference, just going pro present, no stones. Yeah,
y'all you already know what it is. Back with another
addition of rock Solid. I got my brother in the building.
Been a very long time since I seen my guy
doing movies, TV shows, wilding out, flying all over the world,
(00:37):
battle when nigga's doing everything by g it's a pleasure
to have you in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Make some noise for Nick Cann and my GE's you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
All day he said, we ain't gonna get it done, un up, word.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It up, man, I appreciate you. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Stopping while pulling up to the set, man, it's been
a long time since they saw you.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, I was to say, chest Oh, no, man, we
go back to the now, ain't yo.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They really don't know, man, rest of piece of my
guy Klepto, Because I remember, yo, I remember that's when
you was coming with the balls.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
This before the acting.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That was the struggle too. That's when I really understood
how the game work and had to pick a lane
because I came in on some like like even having
like all of that the ghost writing stuff, I didn't
I didn't understand how the game work. I didn't understand
this was a game about songmaking. And then once you
(01:35):
get it to where it's like, you know again, I'm
trying to battle. I'm going to show you my hottest
this thing. I'm looking up the cast like you and
it's like, yo, I could speak. I was like, I
didn't know how to at the time, how to put
a song together as an MC, how to not just
to be saying stuff. And that I learned from y'all, man.
I learned how Like in.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The studio in Marcy, Charlamagne tried to fright.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Nick was in Marcy like, yeah, you know what I'm
saying with us, But y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's why, guy, that's what I'm saying. Do type cats. Man,
they helped I'm gonna be honest, they helped me pick
a lane because I'm being so authentic and comfortable on
my skin. But when you got the guys who don't
see the vision even whether you're talking that ship. Well,
like it's like, all right, I'm gonna go show y'all.
(02:30):
I'm gonna go show you how I could do it, yes, right,
my own way and still be cool with the street.
It's the cat still be cool with everybody, but not
trying to prove myself to nobody. And that's what me
and charlottete. It's always been in fun. But back back
in the day it used to be frustrating with cats
(02:50):
like charlomagne E Brow all of them guys who really
are the gatekeepers and the taste makers at the time,
because I would want to be like guy Bars I
could put like And that's one of the reasons why
I even created wild'n Out, because it was like I
could still spit talk that ship, but if I do
it in the setting that acceptable in mainstream and bring
(03:16):
the real to the mainstream. I was like, this is
gonna work. Now we looked twenty years later and ships
still gone.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Man Like wild Out is a conglomerate, you know, appreciate, like,
what was the thought process, like you just said.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It was it was mainly man like taking all the
world that I was operating in and bringing bringing them
together from you know, all of the stand up stuff
and really trying to put them type guys on and
from Cat William to Kevin Hart to like we was
just cast sitting in the front of the comedy club
or in the back talking that ship and then all
(03:54):
my hip hop find this was just like they had.
That's when Battling was at its height height. He's like
that was that like even at you know, the.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
They don't built the battle Rap League and still going yeah, no,
it's crazy. Your platform is is definitely the few that's
firing underground to that for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So I've been looking like that. I gotta get on
wilding out.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I have my artist on wilding out casting shout out
cast all day.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I remember where he was like, Yo, I'm doing wilding now.
I'm like, no way, you better go up being killing
gonna smoke you.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He got with them big personalities like that. That the
best on the show. You know what I mean, when
you come here trying to be too cool for school.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yo, Yo, I'll be trying to tell dudes that even
with doing this, it's like yo, we at the end,
like you know, being a rapp up. Everything was yo,
the image when the camera come on, you do the interviews, YO,
let them know we GenEd up from here we outside.
It's like your family. We at the end of our career.
Now rap to the grown end. Yes, you don't have
(05:00):
to be portrayed the young boy, no more than take
the fell off.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Like show them who you really are. Man, Like you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And it's like that, like we don't always carry guns
and I don't drink a suspense for break for breakfast
every day.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, it's just not reality.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Nah, that's the real shit. And that's what wild'n Out
gave me is the opportunity to do to come still
be yourself but have fun. It's beautiful scenery around.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I definitely got the lady one hundred percent. Man.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That's the thing that just put everybody at ease, you
know what I mean, Like everybody friendly, everybody cracking jokes,
and like I said, man, were about to be in
season twenty two right now.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Damn God blasts bro twenty two years and that's cooking.
But I want to go back to a little bit
because after the rapping, I remember when you're saying, yo,
I'm gonna try this acting thing. I'm gonna try this
acting thing. Yeah, and I got an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They send me the.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Drum roll everything like the road shit to everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Right, But I told you know. Jay was mad that
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Oh ll yo. He was so mad at me for
not wanting to do the movie.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But I was on my I'm not a drummer, I'm
from Marci And it looked like if it don't work,
and it was a.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Real new like the character was written probably a dude
from Harlem, but it was so New York because that
was the thing about taking New York to Atlanta, so
you you could have killed that shit.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I was honesty. I was afraid.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I was afraid of the cameras because I still have
my wrap of veil. And then I was looking at
it like, if it don't work, you can't go back
to the hood and tell them, yo, I'm trapping.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You fell, You're not a trapper no more. You a
felt drummer. That okay, how did the road fall into
your lap?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And I know you was like, this is golf.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Same shit. I mean, obviously, I always been like a
musician can suck around on the drums. Uh, you know,
just from like church and stuff like that. And then
it came across like I was out taking meeting in
la and they, you know, the cast, like you know
how the drama was like yeah, and then but yeah,
when I tell you because I know it's true, they
was like, Yo, they're reading everybody. I had to go
in like eight times for that ship, eight different times.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I thought you probably went through a training.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Oh yeah, by the time I got it, but like,
you know, but that was the thing. And then you know,
we got to Atlanta and I tapped in with my
man Dallas Austin and knew that it was his story
and we really you know, the train. It was like
a two month process to get right before we actually
started life. It's funny too, because what you want that
plane when we went from New York to Miami for
(07:38):
the summer jam ship for.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Jayson I believe, so yeah, we s a summer jam
hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Because I remember when it was because this was before
I was I mean, before anything popped off. Yes, and
I remember, uh tone you know toning track basters. He
was like, Yo, we're gonna take the plane and I
remember it was twelve of us. I remember it was Cays.
I remember Jay. I probably wasn't and I felt like
(08:05):
I can't remember what it was. But that's like Jay was,
you know, I was popping. You know, we was talking
ship and you know, Tom was telling like, Yo, this
kid really got it. Jame's like, yeah, I seen him before,
like that type ship, but we had never really kicked it.
And that was the first time. I feel like, you
know Leo at the time Leonor said the h sent
the jet. Yeah yeah, and and and Jay was like
(08:30):
I felt like you was there though. But then we
just flew down for a few hours. Yeah, no, what Atlanta?
It was wherever the summer jam was and JD was performing.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It was Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It was performing.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It was Atlanta because I remember we flew to Orlanta
a few times and performed their summer jam out.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And then on the way back the craziest ship like
we did the whole thing in the club. There's dinner all
that ship and then fucking the driver. It was a
female driver. She got so excited. We was on the
tarmac about to go back up. She got so excited,
then wanted to get a picture at the probably an
(09:13):
autograph with Jay. She jumps out the car. We on
the tarmac, that jumps off. The suv runs and Jay, okay,
I get a picture. The sub starts rolling towards the
plane and then she jumps back in. Yeah, tries to
jump up. Security still in the car and all of
that type shit. Instead of pushing the break, she puts gas.
(09:37):
That shit took off the nose of the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No, I wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'm the next day the Jay we had to stay.
They had to get a new plane. All that year
we had to stay. It was only supposed to be
a couple of hours we was going back to New York.
Took off the whole front of the plane. Swore you
was there, but because I remember being because we and
then we ended up going back to like the little
restaurant and then kicking it some more. And that's that
(10:02):
ship was so crazy. But then I remember I probably
saw Ja a couple of years later drum Line, and
he was like yeah that. He was like He's like
I remember, and now he's like, now you're walking in it.
He's like you're out here killing and that you know
that was ship two thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Function that two thousand. Ye that's how long J on them.
PJ just started.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Now he be.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That one was total yo.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So you done had TV deals, tech deals, movie deals.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Wait first before we get into the tech in the
TV bro loved don't course the things you every hood
nigga fuck with. That's a classic.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But I seen that movie once, Yo, ship. I seen
that movie, Like had a fucking blast making that ship
that it looked like it. Yeah, but that shit, like
to me, it showed like cause I did that right
after I did drum Line, and I was just trying
to show the diverse ability as an actress. I was like,
(11:15):
all right, I'm gonna do you know, the the knuckle heads,
all them kids. And then I was like, now I'm
gonna do some like suburban nerdy ship just to showcat
you know, the different.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It was because even the thing about it I got
to like I named it love don't cost the thing
no way.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, Like I did a draft on my own. I
was like, let me let me touch it before we
actually jump in and bring in my squad. And that
was everybody from Keenan Thompson. Obviously you know, Steve Harvey
playing my Pops. But uh yeah, I mean, what was
that shit called beforehand? It was some other shit. And
that was at the time j Lo had the song
love Don't coss. The thing it's actually based off of.
(11:57):
The script is based off of a movie he Can't
Buy Me Love, you know, the Ship from the Age
with Patrick Dempsey. So we did like the newer, updated version,
and I was like, Can't Buy Me Love is a
Beatles song, So I was like, why don't we just
name this whatever song is pop the same shit, Love
Don't cost a thing. And then so even from there
(12:18):
we just I just had to put my spin on it.
And then you know, like you said, turn into a
hood class said.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Oh yeah, that's a major class. Trust I still white.
Come on TV to this day.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I used to come on TV like every weekend.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That nigga's like this, let's watch this whole day.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Then, yo, you know it was a room up back
in the day because you was on Nickolodeon and so
you know, the hood thought you owned Nick.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well that's the thing too, like it was. I didn't
own it, like I was, this is a publicly traded coming.
But when I started the Hella young and then I
was like, man, one day, I'm gonna run this company.
And by the time I was twenty eight, thing two
that From two thousand and eight to twenty eight Team
I was the chairman of Team Nick. So I had
(13:04):
to create right there at Times Square fifteen, Fishing Broadway,
had the Crazy office, was running all of the content
for you know, from twelve to eighteen and just you know,
shout out to everybody up at Viacom. That gave me
the opportunity to really be an executive. And that's like
(13:26):
following the footsteps of Jay. I saw what he was
doing over there at Death jam At, you know, and
I was like I could If Jay can do that,
then I can get over here. And like I was
developing mass Up, created a couple of war shows and
TV shows and was really over there. And that was
the campaign. I mean, I'm sure the young people remember it.
The campaign was like I was the chairman of nickelodeonself.
(13:49):
I had like Taylor Swift calling in the office congratulated
me like it was in my office. Was crazy because
we used to shoot in my office. So it was
Hella big because it had the side with all of
the cameras and shit. So I've literally had the biggest
office up at Paramount Viacom because we were just over
there getting it like that for a decade's and that's
like literally going from a teenager to being an executive
(14:12):
over there was like a dream come true.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That's what's somepping. I swear everybody thought you did, like, yeah,
that's his network.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The crazy ship. A nickelodeon is a back in the day,
the way the cartoons were created, Like used to go
to like a Carnivore or some ship like that to
watch them ships, and you had to put a nickel
in a machine and trend that ship. And that's what
that machine was, called a nickelodeon.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh wow, it's crazy. Learned some ship show. So what
was your vision behind building incredible? Man?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Really, I've been fucking around, Like to me, my dream
was always to be a producer, to be and and
even like an executive for doing on some like I
was watching his move from Bad Boys so so deaf,
you know, Rockefeller, I'm watching you can have your own company,
And I never really want like as much as that
(15:11):
was the thing too, Like I wasn't trying to be
no rapper. I just wanted to be the producer and
be the cat behind all my guys in the hood.
And so even in high school, I was like, look,
I'm gonna fall back. I'll make these beats all that
type shit. And I created my first before. It was incredible.
It's called Cannout Ball, and I just had all my
(15:32):
guys with me. And then once I really incorporated television
and film with it as well, I was like, all right, well,
I can't have a film company called connout Bass. I
was like, I'm gonna call that shit incredible. And so
once we put that together and that was the thing.
It's like, it's a multi media company. I want to
do shit that niggas don't think.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You can do.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's right, and that's and that really early on we
created incredible and shit, it's been rocking ever since. But
just like I said, just learning from y'all, you know
what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You've been doing shit niggas think you can't do. Since again,
then when you first started, bro, what bro? You know
the host New Year's Eve, dropping all of the Lord, sure,
we red carpets all over.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I don't even like hosting, but they don't offer me
everything though, it's a mass single, like come season fourteen
right now.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
No chill, I gotta hang with him. I need to
be in season one and a half.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
One time you hurt Mad Singers fly b did you like,
was you help building build that structure?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah? Way launch, Yeah, the way that worked. I left
America's got talent, and everybody was like, that's a dream job.
You made it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Look you're making over the course of you know, it's
twenty million, you know what I mean, just all the
hosting TV type ship.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's insane. There's no rap party. You're gonna have a
home when you're getting twenty millions.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So when when I left that, everybody thought it's over,
Like you never gonna get another opportunity like that. And
I left on my own. So like every Howard Stern
ahead of Universal, Everybody's called me like, yo, what are
you doing? Like there's there's not another job like this
out there. There's only two chests out there. It was
rocking like that was me and Ryan Seacrest, right, you
(17:21):
know what I mean? So I was like, Nah, I'm
more than this. I'm more than just a TV host.
I'm more than just this job. Is like America's got talent,
like as much as dope as it was. I wanted
to show that this job didn't define me so and
I was NBC. So I went and did the deal
with the competitor. I went over, I went over the fox.
(17:43):
I'm going across the street, and I was. And then
they was trying to give me the host all of
this ship. They was like, all right, well you did
Americans got talent. Here's this concept. It's the world's got
talent or kids got talent. I was like, I'm not
hosting ship. That feels like anything I've already done. And
then so they send him mad concepts from all over
(18:03):
the world to me, and they sent me this tape
of this fucking shit in Korea and they it was
all of these costumes and why I ain't understand what
the hell was going on. Motherfuckersoked like they was having
a blast, like it was a good time, and they
singing songs and the constant. I was like, that shit
could work. I was like, I could see that working
(18:24):
in America. So I took the Korean concept with our
spin on it executive producers for Out the Gate, and
now it's more successful than America's got talent. We get
into the bad way heavier than when we were over there,
and it literally jumped from one franchise and created another
one that's more successful than the job that everybody said
(18:45):
I would never get again.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That's right, that's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Man, When they closed the door, you kick it down
exactly straight up, bro So.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I said, kicked a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I remember when things went a little left with Vian Clone,
when you was like I'm done for.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I was that behind the scenes, and that was the
thing too, like to me, a literally that shit was
like heartbreaking almost because I had been there since a
teenager and I always thought they had my back. And
it's like that's the thing we talk about these big companies.
The individuals and the companies be good people, but when
you're dealing with a corporate infrastructure and board members and
(19:25):
you know, like the stock market and shit.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Like that, relationships don't matter.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
They even if they was calling like man, we want
to fix this, but it's got so blown out of proportion,
you know what I mean. And it was literally on
one of my platforms, one of my podcasts, you know,
for me sitting down with Griff just pop popping and
talking about real life ships, right, talking about us talking
(19:51):
like that's what always says, Like I was just standing
on business for the culture about like who we are
as black people. And then I think, you know, our
truths can hurt and offend sometimes, and people don't understand
that when you speak to your truth, your your truth
can be a weapon to somebody else, and a.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Lot of people try to weaponize.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, And that's the thing. And that's why I still
got all this shit tattered on my neck because like
after all of that happened, because I was like, look,
all I want to speak is truth. And even Minister
fairy Con because I you know, I had to go
sit down with him, were to Illinois and he was like, Yo,
it's the craziest thing is like even before it all
(20:36):
went down, like because it was footage from a while
ago that happened out there, and I went and said
with the minister and when he was like, now that
you're here, you know they're gonna come after you, right,
And I was like, what you mean? I think you
just talking this wisdom and I'm thinking he's talking bigger
picture it was, and not a week later that ship
(20:57):
popped off that and because and that that footage was
somebody cut the footage together to make it look like
I was on some anti Semitic stuff. And then obviously
I'm sitting with Driff and that's the thing. I'm trying
to give him the opportunity, like you and me sitting
here to talk about, you know, his redemption story, how
he feel like, you know, his career and his life
(21:20):
was snatched away from him for him standing on business
thirty years ago. And then in the same setting, because
of the conversation, the exact same thing happens to me.
And it's like, WHOA, this game is way heavier than
I thought it was. I'm thinking I'm at a level
to where I can have a conversation and where somebody
(21:42):
is this shit was really about reconciliation. That guots and
all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It wasn't even.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
And the same process just based off of fear and
based off of you know, propaganda and even tropes and
things like it's just certain things you don't know, you
stepping on lamb minds, you don't even know lambanks.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's in fact in the Internet.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Take things and blow it out of power and drive
it to if you like dog, I wasn't even trying
to go over it. He was right here with this.
So I definitely feel you.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But that's what I'm saying. But what that showed me
even as a business man, I set back because the
next question, I did have wilding Out in my back pocket.
I did. I did have such a real squad. That's
where I saw the loyalty. That's where I saw everybody
stand firm me, you know. And that's the thing. It
never got to the point where they was like, because
(22:38):
I mean, we were doing business, they couldn't remove me
from wilding Out if they wanted to. But they were
doing it to where it's like, we're not even gonna
do wilding out no more. You know what I mean,
We're not and and we we could kill it from
that setting, And you know, the squad was like, no
matter what y'all come with, we rocking with Nick.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's right, and that's how it's.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And the deal got better when we came back. But everybody,
that's right, you know what I mean. And then even
you know, we was eating good even through the pandemic
because of the deal that I had set up after
all of that controversy.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Man, that's what that's a blessing man to stay afloat
during all of.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That, keep it goal because a lot like we did,
like yeah, you look at some of them seasons, like
we really did a season in a vibe kind of
like this. We called it wilding Out after Dark where
because we had to have a mask on, we can't
have a real audience, the guests had to come in
virtual and it created a whole other movement. We did
that for like two three seasons, crazy COVID change the olde.
(23:38):
But that was literally on the hip. That was all
twenty twenty. That was on the heels of them trying
to cancel me.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's right, man.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So with that being said, and after all that I did,
I know, black ownership and media and everything now means
even more than you.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That hundred percent I mean, because that's what that was
my saving grace in that process. And you know what
I mean, and the real ones who knew who I was,
and the solid individuals stood next to me but understanding
like yo, you gotta build your own That's right, you
know what I mean? Because they you know that's even
this ship we see it with you know, o Gunk Shannon,
(24:16):
Like God, he got something to fall back on because
he built his own right, you know what I mean
like that because we all want to be in business
with these companies like Disney and Paramount. But but but
there's guidelines that you got it alive by in the
corporate infrastructure. You cannot you can't go to work acting
(24:39):
the ass yo, doing whatever you wanted to see it
just fire my man the CEO. He was at the cold, Yo.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I thought he was feeling like you.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
What's so crazy about that situation is he caused more
attention to itself and they ever would have been one
girl sitting around watching Jumbo truck footage like let me
see if my man on this Jumbo Trump footage at
they have to Beyonce show.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Just because the way they reacted it blew up.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That's crazy over my man, Shaye Shane. He definitely got
something to fall back on them. Definitely built his.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Own, Yes, but he would out, Yo. He wowed out, bro.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He did.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
He did some project ship.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I don't activities or what.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I'm on my way to unk level.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We passed that, Poppa.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's how to work.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It all.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
He was awful all straight up.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's Modfi Timmate that's definitely not activity unk activity.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
We chilling. We got bad needs were chilling, baby, we
vibe ball ship right Yo.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So what steps out to said, that's the man.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
What's next for the Nick Cannon movement? Incredible wilding. Now
I know I got to get on the season, go
up this.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Year, next season.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We got twenty episodes about to drop uh end of
the summer, and then we're back making fresh. So that's
why I said we need you on that joint heavy.
And that's the thing, Like, it's so crazy that we
had so many in the vault because I mean you
got to get two inside with like the all the
dealings that's going on, but even like all that ship
(26:35):
with like uh Colbert get Castle and associated with truck. Yeah,
that's all Yacount. Now it's called Paramount is the parent
company to everybody from BT to MTV, v H one, CBS.
They own all of that ship and they just sold
it to a company called sky.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Dance and and Swim Overseas. Yeah. And then the.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
President Trump had for when such a big, you know,
business transaction goes over, he got to make sure he
got to sign off on it because it's too many
billions going and so they have been waiting and that's
why they we see all people talking that shit. So
obviously my little old company, my brand is in the
midst of that. So we kind of been sitting back chilling.
(27:23):
But we had so many episodes and the tours and shit,
niggas has still been able to eat. But everybody, like
I said, the heads and BT, MTV, everybody just been
sitting waiting for this deal to go through so niggas
could get back to work. So were back at it now.
The shit went through, so now we're about to start
doing new episode see me.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I thank you for what you're doing, your contribution with
wilding out everything you give to the game, but especially
wilding out on the platform like MTV, b T. You know,
on the Paramount there is no music shows anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
That was the only spot for us to perform the
from Yeah, from Yay to little all of every everybody
came through because it was like us in one O
six in part at the time when it was going.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Out last of them all d T jams is about
to be gone.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
To your point, that's all into that care amount deal
like all of that, and that's the thing I mean
not even just act like it's that. Let's keep it
a stack. The platform is changing. This is where we're at. Yes,
So don't nobody. These kids don't watch TV no more so,
they're not making money. Channels is gone.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
They get watching wild enough. You give them something to watch.
They're watching because I'm telling you my daughter in the
crib watching.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Bluey every day.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They're getting money.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
You give them something to watch, they're gonna watch it.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's just and it's just a shift. It's just a
paradown like and.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Any new blood new exactly, new eyes, new new brain,
new thinkers man, because it's just been the same show
as recycled with new actors actress all day.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And that's like one of the things that's the reason
why Wilding Out is so successful. I mean like we
had Coss and that on there three years ago, you
know what I mean, we had when when King Batch
is popping off with the bonds. Let we got cast
DCL flyers get it we see and.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
That shout out d C. Young he came a long
way doing he went.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
We spound them making videos with its fall to host
the TRL.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You know it's a guy definitely seeing per solid and
see where he going with super Solid.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I appreciate guys like.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That because even in the the comedian space is even
it's even dying.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Too many good comedians.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Real And now that's what I was saying, like, when
you can have a show like Wilding Out to be
that pipeline of that conduit in that bridge to one
general to others. So even as we watched the television
industry deteriorate, we're seeing the digital industry build up. And
even me like I got six seven five cast that work,
(30:14):
you know, just and and that's in that sense because
that's where the game is going, like and you gotta
be able to just adapt evolved, bobbing weave and all
that ship because if you just sit around, if I
would have got comfortable, I could have I could have
got comfortable on America's got talent, I gotta got caught
on Mass SINGERA got comfortable like I can't get comfortable.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's that's going That's the grinding that I love about
how we came up.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
There's no there's no ceiling, man, there's no limit.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's like they didn't say, Yo, get this much money
and stop, like I said, get all the money until
they close the bankers one us. Listen, there's no more
money in the fifty we stopped renting it. Yes, that's
when you stop, you know what I mean? So you
do all that being said, you know, the kids, the legacy, everything,
how you feel about what you're leaving in the world,
(31:06):
the mark you leaving, what you want your like your
kids to know about Nick briand the hustler, the man,
the businessman, the entrepreneur that you are.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I think that it's gonna speak for ourself, but you
tapped right into it. And it's when creating a legacy,
I say, it's lineage and legacy, your children, your family,
that's your lineage, you know what I mean. And your
legacy is what y'all build together. You know what I mean,
some real shit like your legacy. Like if it's if
(31:36):
it's the bodega on the corner and that's your family, shit,
that's your legacy, right, you know what I mean. If
it's the if it's the music y'all creat, if it's
the entertainment that you build up. So even as my family,
the vision that I have for my children, you know
what I mean, I'm like, Oh yeah, y'all got it.
It's gone, you know what I mean, even sitting here
talking about your young daughter and the content and all
(31:58):
of that, like that's that's our legacy in that sense,
and not not them as the legacy, but what they're
going to do. And that's how like to me as
a father, man was like, oh, I'm about to set
up a whole bunch of little soldiers to go run
and get it. It's a bunch of young knicks. That's
about they're getting in your busy.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
It's just right, man.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
So yo, one thing I did ask too. They're still
working on the Nipsey Ust documentary.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, so that's man, that's such a passion project and
I mean kind of invested so much money in time
into it, and it's it shows you that this game
not even was it's spiritual warfare. I'm gonna go a
step deeper because there's so many companies that we set with.
I mean, because we put the trailer out, we was
ready to go, we got all the footage, but it
(32:46):
takes and it's really a lot of it is the
post process of like clearance, people signing off family members
once it gets into that attorney world. And then not
to say that it can't have Its just a long
it's just a long process, especially when you start dealing
with stuff like big pharma, you know what I mean. Yeah,
(33:10):
Like you start it's like when you're dealing with corporations
at such a high level, when you start talking about
like holistic medicine and healing one, you don't want to
lie to nobody, true, you want to only offer up
the truth, and so you want to make sure your
fact check game is is crazy. And then when you
start talking about people that can cheer or heal you
(33:36):
know conditions like AIDS and HIV, SIPHLIS and you know
sickle cell and like that's that's what this country, that's
what this world is built off of, is keeping them
coming back on that medicine run. So not only are
they going to be people trying to prevent you from
(33:57):
putting certain information out there, there's also going be people
that's gonna be like, man, that's bullshit, conspiracy stuff, and
you want to be able to the only way to
appease all of that is with the truth and the
accurate stuff like this is what actually happened, And that's
even what Nip was on. He was like he was
(34:17):
like regardless if this is a man who went up
against the New York you know, whole government was on
trial in New York, the New York Supreme Court at
that level, and won, you know what I mean. So
just that story alone, and then all of the stuff
(34:38):
from how Nip and I's story got connected because he
was talking to me about doctor Sadan because my own
health situation with the loopis so we're touching on that.
And then at the same time, I'll be having to
do updates stuff because we started that documentary before the pandemic,
so we had to do all of that research and
(35:00):
everything with COVID and switched this out and then by
the time we still got it. I mean, and I
believe it's gonna come out, but it's like now it's like,
which story do we tell? Even the story of this documentary,
Like we don't went to Hondurs, we don't went to Africa.
We went everywhere, and making sure we're paying respect to
all of the families as well, because like doctor Savior,
(35:23):
if people say I must have got it here, that
think I got a lot of kids, like thirty maybe
more than that. And we was talking and interviewing everybody
and all of them had such amazing things to say
about their father, you know what I mean. And so
even in that process and making sure that business is
(35:44):
right and who's doing it and you know, even it
you know, with Niche legacy, never wanted to play with that,
you know what I mean, like just wanting to pay
respects to my homeboy and finish something that he wanted
to do. He had never actually started the documentary because
he was even in the place he was like, Man,
I'm on this rap shit, I don't really know you're not.
At the time, he was like, I don't know how
(36:05):
this film and television shit work. I was like, I
got you let's you know. And then from that, because
I got a production company because I know how to
do this shit, I was like, I'm gonna just take
it and run with it. But definitely one of the
most challenging difficult projects I've ever you know, taken on.
So and it's coming. I ain't gonna stop until I
can put it out.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And that natural remedy stuff. That shit is one hundred
percent fact.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
And now you know what, it was crazy though, because
me talking, it's one hundred percent fast. Because the earth
is the Earth. Yes, got like before me, and the
way our all doctor Sab was talking about is like
it's designed, like the food is our medicine. It's color coded.
It's right there for you, especially for us, because our diet,
(36:48):
our balance is different than you know, the Anglo Saxon
or the americanized that. And then they let you know
that they say ninety five percent of the stuff in
the grocery source today never existed a hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
That's right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
So, like the stuff that we put in our body
ain't even food, it's all plastic. And then and then
we're wondering where the cancers come from. We're wondering where
all these conditions come from. Were wondering where our child's diagnosed,
where autism are coming from, because it's like it's the
stuff feeding that not even stuff we feeding to the kids,
and stuff we putting in our body, and then they
(37:25):
the kids just naturally getting it, you know what I mean.
So and so when you start talking about that, you
start talking to a certain doctor. Man, there was so
many doctors that was like, yo, I'll give you the information,
but I can't do the interview because they lose their
license or their life like you said at that, like, yo, bro, Like.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
The two most important things to me is the food
you eat and the doctor. The doctor you have, that's
the tru most support that in your life. Money means nothing.
It's well, that's right, it's fool and your doctor and
number one doctors always say life. You know, when I
was younger going to the dice and telling them, you,
I suffered from high blood pressure and so it runs
(38:05):
in my family.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
The first thing they used to be like, was give
you these pills.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It was.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It wasn't until I met this nurse she was like, yo, nah,
then just eat break food every day.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Wow, need no pills. No, I don't have no hot.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Exactly you know what I mean. And the same shit
I had a similar shit. They told me I was
gonna be on blood pressure medicine but the rest of
my life because of the loopish shit. I was like,
I ain't fucking with that, like you know what I mean,
Like I'm taking the same medicine my ninety nine year
old great grandmother got to take. And then same thing
got with some wild people that were just like, yo,
(38:39):
if you eat this, this removed this from your die.
I took. I had to take that pill in almost
ten years. Sure, And they was like they scare you,
like usually take it, take take you off of it,
You're gonna start to have seizures and all that type
of stuff. And I was like, nah, I cut all
that shit. And like, realistically, I used to when I
first got diagnosed with a little in twenty twelve, I
(39:01):
was taking thirty something pills a day. Way just this
one happened, this one and this one and this one that. Yeah,
and to they don't take ship, that's crazy, that's a blessing.
And that's really from the practice and learn it, you
know what I mean. Like and and not to knock
who met, but because yeah, I wouldn't be helped you
(39:22):
stay alive take that ship, right it was. It's been
an up and down journey for me because I'm like,
I ain't gonna take that ship, like I need that,
you know what I mean. You Like, I gotta go
into the you know, shoot, I just got over pneumonia
and when some shit hit me, it get different because
of the loop and shit. So I went down down,
and so I gotta go get infusions and all that shit.
(39:42):
So I'm not saying dope, I just I'm gonna do both.
You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna do the holistic shit.
I'm gonna take everything if it's gonna help me stay alive.
I'm gonna try that ship out. And so even through
that process, you know, luckily I can be in a
state right now where I don't I have to take
pills every day, because that was it was three or
four times a day. I gotta take this pill, make
(40:05):
sure I'm doing this so I know what that life
is like. In fact, if all I got to do
is shift my diet and remove certain things and put
more of this in there, and I don't have to
take this medicine, I'm lost.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Straight straight, That's what it is. That what it's all about.
Die straight up out of everything in the game that
you did. What you feel is your biggest contribution to
the game.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
So far, definitely, and even how you measure it before
the culture definitely wilding out, you know what I mean,
because of what it worked, Because it's an ecosystem, you
know what I mean. I watched so many people become
millionaires that started off were like, yo, I just want
to get on. Just let me, you know what I mean.
It's almost like I consider wilding out like a comedy club,
(40:53):
you know what I mean, Like everybody got like the
Hood comedy spot where the first time you saw Martin
on stage or the first time you saw you know,
Chris Rock on stage. Like that's what like, it's just
a wilding out comedy club and all of the cats.
If you can make it on this stage, you can
make it anywhere in the game. I think Cat Williams
said he saw wilding out as like the community pool
(41:15):
with the diving boarders, Like niggas just be sitting there,
like he told his old things, like you go step
up all that diving boarder for all of these real swimmers.
Don't do some ship you ask for. We're gonna make
fun of right, That's right.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You better stay away from what now, he said.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's some things that get up on that diving board
to start doing all type of flips this business like
he out of here. That's right, he got here. And
that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
When you see media like black media shifting doing next.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I mean, we're in it. I mean what you're doing
right now, you know, like it's crazy, like niggas don't
it's levels to it. But niggas don't really understand what
the bag ability right here.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I don't. I'm just getting in there and they can
pull my finger.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's the level when you get it right when you
go talk to the cat that it's cat's making hundreds
of millions of dollars and it's coming directly to them.
And even to that point, I mean not like I'm
trying to you on like this level of a telity
secrets of the game, because it's obvious. But the kids
(42:28):
is where it's at. Yeah, the family content is where
they're like, we set up here and talk ship all that.
Everything we say here is being regulated and monitored, and
there's nothing wrong with that. It's a free form to
talk your ship. We love it. But if you want
to make some money, you make that content that everybody
(42:48):
get because at the end of the day, these platforms,
as much as we think it's about the content, it's
an advertising business. This and the advertisers have shifted from
television and like and they spend all of their money
where the eyeballs are and where they can actually have
the ability to really understand the analytics of the money
(43:10):
that they're spending. It's a safe bet and the safest bet,
the safest content is family content. So that to me
just figuring out like you can create and make your
own bet with your own family. And it's really people
at that level that's provide for their family, just making
videos with their kids, making millions.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Trust me, I'm telling you, she's seeing it.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Gangs, because that's the people. We are spending most time,
them kids with them iPads, they phone. She watching all
them little kids. We're consuming more content now than ever
before in history because we don't put the phone down.
Everything is through the phone. Even the news comes in
the fun I learned what happens.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
In the world on Twitter before they're actually talking about
it on television all the way.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
It's insane how it goes that way now.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
So that's what if I had to see it, like
it's gonna We're empowering the next generation and content. That's
the thing. Even I feel like fame is gonna go away.
It's crazy, like I think, what it's gonna go away
because everybody's gonna be famous. Andy Warmer said that shit
back in the day. Said in the future, everybody's gonna
be famous for fifteen minutes. And it's gonna be more
(44:20):
about and we already witnessing it. It's almost like what
people would do, and it really is the core of
cloud chasing is what it's attention. You know what I said.
Attention is the new crack, yo, Like everybody just want
that one hit.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
And then some of them get it and don't know
what to do it and get addicted and it literally
they tell your family will sell everything just for that attention,
you know, And it's like, so that's the bad side
of where it's going.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
But the good side is if you know how to
control it. You know, that balances. It's literally people are
sitting around watching people stream twenty four hours a day
and they make it bread just I'm mad.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I'm I'm mad. I didn't paying attention when my son
was younger. My son used to watch YouTube people playing
the game and that's be like, yo, why did you
just go playing the game? How you want to watch
him playing the game that I that you just told
me by I just ain't all the.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Money, Yeah, but I didn't understand this is with an experience,
the communial experience of that of like, oh, I'm learning
from him. I feel like he's my friend because I'm
he playing in his room. I'm in my room watching him.
And now they be talking and watching this person and playing,
and it's like it's a whole different level, you know,
like you know, my oldest is fourteen, and he he
(45:40):
on it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Let's say fourteen, I say that I'm gonna keep it
all the way red. You got about a good three
more years. So he gonna be like, Pop, you, I'm
I'm outside, ain't you he always already here.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
It's like it's dark because they twin Monroe. She with me.
She want to lock in whatever, Yo, my son, Like,
I ain't want that.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yo, my son in twenty two.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Now he ain't checking for Pops because Pop's got the
check that the pall something drip Pops.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
What to ask?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Now?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
He was like, yo, I ran there just letting, you know,
because I don't want them to cut the car off.
It to your front, you know, the whole yay. She
was like, I'm gonna tell you you're gonna cut me off.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's right, gonna be like, whoo'spent twelve hundred or something?
Speaker 3 (46:29):
What that wasn't me exactly?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
That's a flat. These kids is crazy.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I ain't even give you my card number. How you
get in there?
Speaker 1 (46:37):
You know one thing I never asked you, bro, what
part where are you from? What part of the sittings?
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You know, it's crazy. Everybody always asked me that I
was born in San Diego, California.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yo, how the hell you ended up in New York.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Being young, hustling?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I love you outside, I love it, said my I'm
catching the flight.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Literally, I was in New York fifteen, sixteen years old.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yes, because we was moving around. I was fifteen. We
was moving around together. That's why I always thought you
was from New York.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And then I said to my wife, she was like,
I don't think it's from New York.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
But like when I was out there, all of them,
you know what that means. You know, I was moving
around real heavy at the time. God rest his soul
with Chris Lighty. Oh, yes, so that's how that's who
was really even like show me, yeah, like that's who
introduced me to everybody because I was a kid and
(47:35):
he had violator, you know, and that you know, I'm
sixteen years old with the with the black a rex, right,
I mean, like, and I'm just why I'm in the
tunnel you know what I mean. Chris is the first
person to take me to the tunnel with flex and like,
who fuck is this kid in here? And I'm I'm
seeing how y'all move? I'm like, yo, she was different,
(48:00):
ninety seven type of friend. Yeah, and that and that's
when I feel like I had got accepted before I
even got down with them. I was just a young
kid trying to entertain. And it's funny because I see
these young kids doing I see kids doing the same
thing that I was doing, like that, Pops are bringing
them up to yo. He could spit, he could rhyme yo.
He And I'm like, I was that same little kid
(48:20):
that just was like yo. And people looked out for me,
people respected because it could have went way left because
I was literally a kid outside by myself, catching flights.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Moving around on the train crazy.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
And like God covered me, man, because like I could
have and I see some ill shit, but like I
was always able to move, and people like, na, that's
a good kid. He gonna do his thing.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Once you got that that that path set for you, man,
it's only you can deter yourself from it. Like me
watching you, I always felt like you were the younger,
Will Smith.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Said, and that's what it was. And even at some
point in time, like Will said, Will gave me my
first official record deal and my first official television dick
and for me in my first movie Been in Black
two oh yeah yeah, and amazing too because everybody was
auditioning for drum line. When it was down to me
and one other cat. He made the call to the
(49:17):
head of the Fox because he had just did Independence Day.
It was like, Yo, this is the kid, so shouts
out the big Will. He looked out for me on
so many levels. I wrote a script when I was
like seventeen for my own TV show. He bought it,
signed me up all that shit. And that's that's actually
how I met Tone from the track matches well yeah yeah,
(49:38):
being in a session, way crazy right now, big bro.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Crazy right there styling on cosmic cat he outside ax.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yo, he got that. You do what the you want
to do, that's what you do. That's what music is about.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Here is about having fun and express And he's reached
such a level that you.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Do whatever you want to do. Man, will you do
your thing? Cause he got the bag?
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Whatever this I want to ask you this question being
the fact that you always maintain being who you are,
stand true, being solid, being connected to the streets. But
have witnessed his ship that is unfathomable levels of success
(50:29):
and money. How does one stay so connected? Because that's
what like even when I you know, I love Will,
but he not connected the way he once was to us,
you know what I mean, like cause and it's not
it's just because you get to such a you create
your own world, like J and B have created their
(50:52):
own world, Like Mariah that's her own world. Like that's
that's that's the closest I ever got to somebody who
has their own world, like not not like Yo, you
got your own money, Yo, you get to it, like
you can make it if you want it to rain,
it can rain if you want to go, if you
want to see a movie that ain't out yet, you
(51:14):
can bring that ship back, you know what I mean?
Like where it's that level of like it ain't even
about the amount of money. It's you just got your
own world. You could be on a villa and not
talk to nobody for months. So but everybody else got
to operate in the same world. That is the everyday
(51:34):
grind and struggles. How does one maintain to be like Yo,
I can still pull up on the block if I
want to. But then at the same time, I see
what's going on in that executive suite. And because like
cats like you are the conduit of like keeping people
of like Yo, you know they're saying this. You know
(51:57):
this is happening, you might want to adjust like this
because you can live in both faces.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I feel like it's the number one rule where they say,
never forget where you come from. I'm always still gonna
be attached to my roots, like no matter what, like
what we call it the.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Hood newspaper, I canna be amalleable.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
I'm still subscribed to the nest for some reason, it's
gonna come through my phone and like yo, such and
such just such happened to this. So I feel like
it's the company I kept and the family that I
built with my brothers that kid me grounded.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And I believe that's why guys like me, Emrie, Tatie.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
And she Wants we are those guys for Jay, because
you know, everybody in their life get to a point
where you're up here and you.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Can't even hear, You ain't frequency, you can't even hear
what's no, but you need that person that can still
tell you, hey, God, take the cape off, get back.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Down here to earth.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Put the clock kench big fact.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
You know so.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
And I think that's what kept me grounded. And I
didn't really work for this position. I felt like I
wrapped to be known in high school.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Girl, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
I didn't know you can be all over the world
like this. So when I seen Jane, remember that's just
my guy from my building.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Like your dog I raped. I want to rap with you.
He like, let me hear something, and he like that
cool you with me now. So it was just that easy.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
So I never wanted to feel like I gotta turn
my back or put my shoulder, like even when people
see me, be like, yot me get a picture. I
take a picture for everything everybody, because it's like the
ones I understand. The guys will be like, nah, no time,
because they had all time. They got their demo tapes
tossed out, had the wait in the rain, or.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
And it ain't even like they tried to issue. It's
like they just on a different free and it's like
I'm going this way. I'm just so appreciate that I
felt like I ain't supposed to be here.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
You don't even know who I am. Yeah, take this picture.
I don't run from paparazzi. They run from me because
piparazzi wanted to take the pictures of the people.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Who run it. I'm like, hey, I'm telling.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
He liked us. So that's what I think keeps me here.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
And then the honesty, just and you said, being honest,
telling the truth, speaking your truth.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
People could see and can tell when you fraud.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Because but like y'all are talk about legacy, I mean,
like you an icon.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
For the culture.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Ship you know what I mean? Like, wh when you
think about the first tell me when niggas heard you
and spitting back and forth like it was a movie,
Like we never saw the music video, but we can
hear like y'all was making a movie. Y'all made Marcy
feel like, oh ship, it was good feelings.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Bro. They have toys that go Marsa like then come
to our building.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
They leave the city forty second Street, come ship after
white girls in front of the bossy.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Side like this, I be bugging like, yo, it's a
tour to see the projects.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
That's who you know, that's how you level ship.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
You know it's different, and you know what I mean,
that's that's how level about you. That's what you are. Man.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
When that like when I told my dogs, like even
after the Breakfast Club interview and I'm telling niggas, they like, yo, you.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Really know nigga, I'm like, yeah, they like nigga. That's
fucking Will Smith to us. Why you ain't never getting
no movie that I don't know how to act.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
You see me a state dropperty they killed me quick
word up and you know I ain't even read that
script bro. I got on fly like I told them, Yo,
whoever the killer is, that's me.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
They're like that cool. So then when the day when
it was time for me to die, I'm like, who
wrote that part? We gotta change the scripture to do
It's like you never read the sprinklik.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
I'm like, no, y'all, just give me my lines. Let
me damn I go. So it's like, yeah, straight up.
I was fissed, like no way. Then I see Norri
when they was doing part two. He's like, yo, you
in the movie, Nori, this ship saw part one.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
They killed me. Unless I come back as a zollman,
I'm not in part two. They say this ship, But nah, man,
I appreciate you everything. Man. Like I said for stopping by.
We hit our goddamn time this time.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
You know what I mean, y'are another thirty word up, nigga,
there come, my g I ain't gonna hold you up.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You're going to Bota one time.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
You gonna get this money.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
That's right, No man, love my brother.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
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Speaker 1 (57:08):
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