September 16, 2025 • 52 mins
Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek.
This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Rell — The soulful voice behind some of Roc-A-Fella Records’ most memorable hooks, takes center stage in this episode of ROC Solid.
Rell carved his lane as the go-to crooner for Jay-Z, Beanie Sigel, Cam’ron, and countless others during the golden era of the ROC. On this episode, he sits down with Bleek to revisit his journey from singing in church choirs to becoming one of the most respected writers & voices in hip hop and R&B collaborations.
The conversation dives deep into Rell’s rise within the ROC, his experiences being part of a legendary roster, and the challenges of balancing artistry with industry politics. With his signature humility and passion, Rell opens up about the highs, the setbacks, and what kept him motivated even when his own solo projects faced delays. Fans will hear untold stories about recording classic records, the brotherhood within Roc-A-Fella, and how Rell’s voice & writing became a timeless element in hip hop culture.
This episode is a celebration of an artist that defined an era, reminding everyone why Rell’s contribution to the Roc legacy can never be overlooked.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart
Radio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my
guys over at Drink Champs Big with the year in Memphis.
I'm black Addy, niggas. Notice the difference, just pron present
no stones. Right back at it with another one, this
(00:23):
Rock Solid podcast. Like I told you, if you're on
this platform, it means one thing that you solid and
it definitely means this brother right here, he more solid
than a mad than a boulder like the rock. Like
I said, certain people that built the rock, Me and
this man right here, we started the rock off facts.
(00:43):
You know what I mean. I got my brother Rail
in the building. We here make some noise for Rail
on the platform. My guys, you know what I mean,
big shot out. Oh yeah yeah, you already know. Rel
how you being my brothers blessed Jeane.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Long time man, long time proud, Oh my guy man,
super proud of my brother.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fucking voice behind the name. Yo, you the voice if
nobody never told you me from what I always feel
and felt about you, my g I felt like you
brought the soul to Rockefeller. You know what I'm saying,
that soul like grit, that grind like and I always
admired your voice, your hustle. You was one of the grinders.
(01:26):
We started this shit together, So I want to take
them back and let them know, like when it's all
right Dropped, which was my first single, that's when you
had your first single feature with j Yeah, what was
the name?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Love for Free Streets? Watching?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh streets is watching Love for Free? Monster? Me and
this man went on the Chitlin circuit together. Some of
y'all call it the promo run.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
When we got on, it was called the Chitlin Circuit.
All we did was college radio and radio pirate radio,
yo tailor.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
We was grinding, grinding, like early days you know a Rockefeller. Yeah,
Like it was basically mapping out our own way as
we went. You know, there was no guy, no blueprint
before Jay Damon and then us, you know, coming in
the ranks, there was no you know, we went out there.
We carved our own way and yeah, salute to us.
(02:25):
That's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yo, that's a fact. We we held it down. Man.
That fucking run was crazy, bro. I remember us being there.
I think our first city we got to was Virginia,
and I remember saying to you it was me and you.
We was on the road, big shot of the diamonds
on the roads. I remember we got the Virginia and
(02:47):
my first thing to you was like, Yo, bro, we
ain't sitting in this hotel all day. We're gonna walk
the block and see what's out here. Man. We went
to that. I think we went to a TGI Friday.
Remember we met some ladies and all that was like, Yo,
we lived. We was in there. You remember that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It was a habit I had, like even once we
got off that tour, I was everywhere I went. You
asked my management team, They like, where'd you do that?
So the sos, I get my bags in the hotel room.
If I got downtime, I'm with the Locals's right, what's
happening with this that?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And I think take me over there. I think that
tour is what started at I remember we left to
the day DMX Rest of Peace. DMX remember his album
dropped that day when we first left to go on
the road. Yes, Dark and Hell is Hot. That was
the soundtrack to the tour. So you know we was
all tall Demon toime.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We was out there, ball out there telling every lie
you can think of, yo, man, Jim Wild youngest Yo,
like putting in that work.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
But but but maximizing on the front.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And this is what I want people to understand. This
is before the gur rules, the just blazes. Yeah, Kanye
West is. There wasn't even no Beanie Seagull, no Freeway,
no p D Crack. It was just me, Ral and
Diamonds in the rough, rebel and chinks and that's it.
We was out there, Marvin and they was. They used
(04:10):
to perform making the door. I love the door. You
need we need the dough. Yeah, I was performing. This's alright. Raller,
come out there, shut it down, love for free. Then
they'll come get the party cropping with I need the dog.
But Rail used to take all the chicks. Nah, it
ain't gonna lie. Ral came out there with that. He
hit you with that.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
He was like, oh shit, Hey, I was on stage
the first time, like when Jay was there and and
when your when you your first came up on It's
all right, all right. As soon as Bleak went in
the middle of the wall, Jay's like, no.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But I'm talking about where we dolo.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Jay used to get it. We used doloa. Them girls
used to go crazy. You had that voice, and I
used to say that. I think back now, I was tripping.
I could have been the first drake. I could have
told you back then, y're ll teach me some moves
like the last Dragon. Listen, teach me some moves. God,
I could have had the blueprint on this ship early.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Let me tell you something like being the only R
and B you know, artists on the on the roster,
you know, and you know through our tenure.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I wanted to be more like y'all. I mean, I'm serious.
It was like, you know, I wanted I wanted.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That that street sat that that you know, hip hop
had that definitely our our labelmates had, you had, you know,
And it was a big deal for me when I
first landed in North South Carolina to just you know,
kind of you know, blend in, like just get along
peak the vibe.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I learned a lot about the terrain being around y'alld DC,
you know, my big gals and all.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And I'm saying, you see, we used to be mom
yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And we would go there. We would go to their shows.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yea, like all again to the radio station, go to
they shows, the step the concerts, all that shit. Man crazy,
But Joe, one thing I wanted to ask you too, Man,
what being from the south, Being from South Carolina? What
part of South Carolina?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Orangeburg? Bowman? Small town Bowman, Orangeburg County?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
WHOA that's out there? That's out there? It's so out
there I never even heard. That's how I know it's
out there when you ain't say a town in these places,
any place in the Carolina or Virginia and they be
like this town and you'd be like ware not just
know it's way out there. So is that where you
developed your love for singing? Like getting to the game?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You didn't have any talent shows or any type of
platforms like that. So we were in church. They started out,
you know, Moms is just dragging us in there. But
then when I tapped into the music, you know, that's
when you know I really started to you know, mature
as a vocalist, as a performer, being in front of people.
You know, in church, all they ever say is keep
(06:59):
saying you could have an off day. They don't care,
you know what I mean? And so I developed The
understanding is that if you give people something they can
feel with your music, a lot of times it won't matter,
you know, how perfect you are with your vocals or
your lyrical delivery or anything like that. It's if you
just give them something they could feel. If it's some
(07:20):
therapy and what you're doing for folks, then you know
you got you got every reason to try this game out.
You know what could happen. So but when I got here,
everything else that happened. Rockefeller you know Don Blanks in
per Damn whar all them folks out there, and you
know DC, the Bronx, Yanky Bingham, Brooklyn, like, and that's
where me and you met. I met live out there
(07:41):
before I was real, you know what I mean. Like
I was just Jarell Gaddess. But I hung out on
Myrtle Avenue a lot. I know them boys in the
Hall of Fase barber shop. So I'll go over there,
you know, hang out with Tori and Jay and the
crew when I ain't had no studio time. But then
with me and him link after the Rockefeller thing, it
was a rap.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
How did you how did you get with the rock crew?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Because you know I just came around one day, They're like, YEO,
this round this the single we showed up to the
video show you whole shooting the video, and I'm like, okay,
this round we outside this is my guy man like,
but how did that happen for you to even make
it happen to get that deal?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It was? It was by way up man. I got
to go back there, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So for Neess is a group that I was in
when I first left home in South Carolina to venture
north with them. That's when I first met, you know,
Rock Don Blanks from per fan Boy. They told me
about d C and I would meet him eventually, but
Rock was the first when I met Rock was in
business with d C. D C was was was real,
(08:39):
real tight with Dame Dash and then the rest is history.
The deal came over crab case and and grit sometime.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We wasn't even in no office, you know. So That's
why I loved Dame forever for that, regardless.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What up I'm trying to tell people, Dang man, he
had to do business, man, he definitely hadn't do business.
Business And THEMN you bringing up per fan Boy, I
remember y'all had the club out like the crews with Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Man, they still talk about the fact that Real brought
jay Z and Rockefeller to per fan Boy.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That was my home.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So salute the per fan Boy still, even though most
of my homies they moved away Washington and Mechanics and
High Street and all of that, that's just legendary for me.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's that's his story.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I'm gonna tell you, son, I don't think you know, man,
I have a son because of y'all club in per
f Yeah, you know what I mean. Leek is here. Yeah,
being at that club and Perf Boy with y'all man.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like and a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
We was like what five ten minutes away from each
other at one point over Bridge. Yeah, when I did
level up, like, we was like five minutes apart.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's way. Let me use the whip.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
When I was furnishing my crib, I dropped my car
fet his crib, pick up the ta hooe go hand
on my business. We had that relationship, you know what
I mean, It was that way it was, it was,
it was it was an intertwined.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, we were family, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Artists and so, and we just took it to that
next level, and we're we could be brothers.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
We were.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's just what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Everybody on Rockefeller. I'm so used to saying the nation,
now that's what I said. But everybody on Rockefeller it
was literally like a family. And we treated it like that,
you know what I'm saying. So it didn't matter, it
didn't matter where you were from, it didn't matter what
you did. If it introduced you as they brother, then
you was our brother. Gad, you're good. Let me get
(10:24):
the light. You good. Keep that for you, baby. Like
if someone introduced you as they brother, then you was
all of our brothers, and we accepted you as that,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And then you can mess that up as long as
you you know, as long as you was on point,
you was bro.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I remember it was a business, respectful man. I used
to have rally massy with us. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Went there?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, you know you said, murder Avenue, man, Come on,
that's my backyard. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
But I think I'm the best one to tell this
story because right now, R and b A check us out,
y'all where where I look at?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Anyway, Hey, check this out?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
All right? This for the whole world. Okay, all right, bleak.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Authentic day one, authentic, all right, Like I got asked
over the years, you know how it's bleak was so
was gonna YadA YadA. You look, Bleak is authentic. Bleak
gonna be good always because bleak is authentic.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I saw the picture of the Porsche on the wall.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Man, you feel me, Yo. I remember with a picture
of a Porsche on my wall. Man, I'm trying to
come up on y'all. I saw the picture of the
Porsche red convertible taped on the wall over the bed
all facts. I had a Yeah, I saw that with
my own eyes. I was like, bro, Yo, I had
a wall of fame. You're bringing that up?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You got the thinking. I had a wall of fame
of rappers that I used to be like, damn, these
is the guys right here. And then I had the
things and that MARSI you know what I mean. Like,
I definitely had the Porsche on the wall. I had
a picture of Stabman Crib. I still ain't get Statman Crib.
Though I got the Porsch, I never got the stat mccrib.
I think I just never met an Oprah exactly. That's
(12:05):
all like, like, you know, had to do a whole
lot yo. And that was YO. And that was Steman
vacation home. That was on my wall. It wasn't even
the real crib.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But it was there.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, God, definitely, I'm glad. I'm glad you remember that, man,
because you a lot of people think, you know, when
you're rapping, you're making music, that you're just making stuff up.
And I tell people, man, Jay used to always tell
me when the lines stopped, the rhyme stop, So as
long as you lying, you better keep it up. Like so,
everything we did was authentic. Everything we did was to
(12:42):
the heart, and we just were speaking our truths, man,
just trying to win. So it was no made up raps.
Those was real dreams. I wore for the Porsche on
the wall. Man, I'm trying to come to come up
on y'all with stat mc crib. I don't think I
came up still, I gotta check that out, man. Stand
we got to holler. So I wonder always act you
(13:08):
being the only R and B guy. You know, once
we got beans, we got the Young Guns, Freeway, state property,
everybody came. Did you ever feel like it was pressure
for you to like keep up with that, any of
us anything.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
All the time, all the time, unwaivering pressure because you know,
I'm at this table, this long, exquisite table, and it's
all predators. I mean it's all lions, tigers, bears, sharks,
you know, predators.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You know people that you know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
They're not gangster, but they're not people you can just
do anything, you know, handle any kind of way either,
you know what I mean, Like they are people that respond.
So you're sitting at that table, you're the only one
to sing everybody rhyme.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, it was pressure.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It was I should to say the least, because you know,
I had this burning desire to deliver as far as
contemporary R and B was concerned. But then once I
got with Rockefeller and became a part of that understood
you know, the authenticity, the authenticity that went along with
our music. Yeah, then it became this other thing like
all right, you know, it's some realness to my life too,
(14:21):
my backdropping or.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know, how can I blend who I am into this? Missed?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Because we we we we definitely got you know, we
have we have similarities, like we come from backgrounds where
we all seen a lot of same stuff. And so
in between me not being able to move on the
contemporary because of everything that Rockefeller was up against, you know,
trying to get R and B off the ground. Hip
hop was cool, it was harder to get R and
(14:48):
B off the ground for them. So with everything that
they was up against, I started looking for, you know,
alternative means to reach my audience, and so that became
R and G. That became when I started doing all
that mixtape stuff. But you're saying, you know, she's singing,
but sounded like around for singing. It's like, you know what,
to my knowledge, because I'm a student, you know, there's
(15:09):
just really been no one on the East coast to
flex that domino. You got Nate Dogg. As far as
I'm concerned, they the only two before me. So all
of that thought went into me deciding that I was
going to do that. It wasn't just I was out
there trying to be a rapper. It was like, nah,
it's strategically I got to figure out what my place
is at this table, and eventually I became the wolf.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That's right, I'm the.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Wolf at the table and not the biggest predator, but
I'm only a face.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
It's a you want to see them.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I told you, Like I told you, your voice is iconic.
There's no one who sound like you. There's no one
you sound like. They never ever confused you, yo, real
trying to be like this guy. Y'all sound this guy
trying to be like this guy. You ain't want that, bro.
You did some of the most. You saved a lot
of records on Rockefeller. Listen, like, my whole made album
(15:57):
is damn near your album two.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
But but, and but, y'all save me too, you know
what I mean. Like, I'm from an era where you're
shunned upon if you're only on choruses. You see what
I'm saying, Like, if if all you can get his
choruses back then, yeah, you weren't looked at as that guy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You would look like you were lacking, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But years later, all of those choruses, they turned into
a catalog that nobody else in R and B has.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That's right, where's the camera again?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I got more features with hip hop than anybody who
sings in the history of singing.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And that's the fact. And that's a fact. Classics too,
not just regular jack.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They don't have the who you look up.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They don't have the features with hip hop solid hip
hop dudes than I do. I'm black coastal with that
salute the.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
All out of all the collaborations you've ever done, what's
your favorite?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Ooh bleed?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We ain't this to nobody, So if you, I know,
we did a lot of classics. But if it's me picking,
I would pick no Better Love over any record we
did because I always felt like, God damn, why I
ain't get a beat like that for me and my
g I always gotta rap about some fucking pain.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Well, but but what DJ Rodgers Junior and my homie
was able to bring to the session that night when
we did understand me still.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Oh oh bro, it's classic. That's still to this.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Day, bro, like like, that's one of my favorites because
I got to be rail right there. See to a singer,
at least to a singer, a real one like myself.
I totally enjoy everybody else's music and I have you
know those people that I or my idols when it
came to vocals, you know what I mean, Old school,
(17:42):
Land news school male and female mind you you know,
but I always had the brand and desire to be
real because in my mind, Michael Jackson became Michael Jackson
because Mike Stay, Mike, Marvin Staye, Marvin Stevie Stage, Stevie,
Luther Stay Luther, you know. And I want to be real.
I want to make can impact. Where they hear me,
they go, that's real. And it's not because he sounds
(18:04):
like anybody else or reminds them of anybody else, but
because he's still carrying that torch that those great vocalists
and lyricists carry where they want to make their own mark.
They don't want to be known from just borrowing from
what was great before them, but making their own great mark,
you know what I mean? So understand me. Still no
(18:24):
better love, definitely. I mean that's obvious. You know that's obvious.
Black tidfit baby, Okay. But then you got songs like
the joint I did with with with Jim that let
Me Fly. She let Me Fly talks about my entire
career going all the way back to Rockefeller seven Am,
(18:45):
turning over manager, blowing up the phone in my suite
and smile on my face.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I don't mean to make him weak, but she's that
much SEXYO when she sleep, you know that type of stuff.
It allowed me to be real.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
So I'm more proud of the things that I did
allowed me to be well in that mix than where
I had to emulate something else.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
So understand Me Still is at the top of Wow.
You know what I mean. No better love is obvious.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You see, it's obvious you you're borrowing from great components
and elements and energy, so it's it's almost a no
brainer that you're going to come out with something that
people like. But when you're going from scratch, you see
what I'm saying, understand Me Still is from scratch, And
you know I covered that because you know that that
that that was our inspirations, all inspiration for that record
(19:34):
came you know, from that room while we were in there.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And we was really yeah, we was like we weren't
trying to let that one go.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And that's what I'm saying, likember, my brother was in
the hospital at that time. You we was really just
moved my mom. So all that shit you hear in
that song, fact that there's a hundred thousand percent fact
fact that song I can't even listen to because it's
like a period in my life that I don't want
to remember, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
That's the that's the part I love about what Rockefeller was.
It was like, you know you got this, you got
this cast. It's ensemble a talented people who live everywhere
they speak, and I mean everybody everybody there. I was
just authentic, from from Ja down to you know, Denim Yah.
I remember everybody man listen rock. Like you said, it
(20:24):
was a family and and and that having that experience
and being able to attach myself to that platform, that's
now part of you know, Hall of Fame, bro hip
hop all Like what else can you ask for?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Coming from Bowman, I'm goa bring you this bringing this
up because I just thought about this as you talked there.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I remember when we did as One and it just
was the sample Huck and Jay was like, nah, man,
we need to bring this ship to life. He's like, man,
can ral Man rail go kill this ship? And you
came down there and smoked as One.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
We heard that ship like, oh nah, that's it, that's
it's earth winding fire.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, you know I had to go with me.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, we got it, we gotta we got Yeah. So
like it was more pressure doing no better. Love and
Earth Winding Fire than any other record, because you know.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You want to make you want to pay on.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Earth Win That's Karen Van Rows. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You don't want to I say that even on that
other one, the one out there with beans changed up,
that was another one.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's like, I don't want to mess this up. That's
a fact. And that's you saying. That leads me to
something I say about these kids today. They be sampling
you know, everybody record. If you going sample a nigga record,
make it better what you did, what they did. Don't
fuck a nigga record up. You just wasting beats and
balls and studio top and label money. Don't do it.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
They gotta clear it, you know, like make sure they're
hearing something they gonna enjoy.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, man, like a ball from their likeness.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You just so. I gotta say. But one question, another
question asked for you. What what would you say your
biggest lesson about the business side of the music will be.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
For you learn the business.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Learn the business, all right, Ask every question that you
can read, every manual that you can have some experience
in business management before you go into the music industry.
Then all you got to learn is music business, but
business management you already have down if you're one of
those collegiates, but you have a passion for music, major
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in business, minor in music or vice versa. You're twenty
one years old when you graduate, you're still a baby,
ready to take on the business and show your talent,
you know. So that's the lessons, and don't look for
detail for me or any other artists. There's no one
way to success. All our stories are difference, right. You know,
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if you want to win in any game, the key
is to stay in that game. Simply stay in it because,
like Jay said, a broken clock is right at least
two times a day. Even a garbage pan gets a stake.
Everything gets this moment. If you stay in you know,
stay the court. Yeah, you stay the course, It's going
to happen.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It's going to happen. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Because as you're moving, you're growing, you're learning your networking,
you're expanding, you're trying, you're failing, you're trying again. You know,
these things are happening as you're continueing, you know what
I'm saying. Then you just reached this point where you
happen to be this place, and this person happened to
be there, and this thing happened to go down the
way it did, and then you just happen to be
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in that mix. Like it's about timing, you know what
I mean. But you got to be on time in
order to you know, to achieve that timing. It's at
the end of the day, it's time. It's like, man,
anybody asks you how it happened, It's like it's the
same thing. You scratch your head because you don't know
where to start. It's like, you know what I mean,
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But so I narrowed it down to that, know, the business.
I came in with talent. Talent got me in the door,
but I had to learn what the business was in
order to stay in the door.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
You know, these doors revolved, and you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Know it's it's a it's a fine line you gotta walk,
you know, until you're confident enough to position yourself in
a way where you know you're you're you're solidified.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That's what's up, man, that's a fact. Definitely learned the
business man. You heard it right here, man, The business first,
I level what you said that you said business first
music minor business major music I like that. That's a
good one, man, You young boys need to write that down. Man,
that's a good one. I wish I'd have known that.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
One because I was out here dying major rappid minor alright,
figure was bugging out here.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But Joe, I always wanted to know because I heard
the whispers. I never got confirmation. Is there any artists
that you have a mentored or or like guided behind
the scenes, or like you know, like Plenty came to
you for advice or you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Plenty worldwide Like I'm an o G one hundred times.
Oh of course, of course worldwire Bro's And it's funny
that you say that. In Yonkers, I got Ray Sean,
like I'm trying to you know, see him, you know,
really take Hiss to the next level if it's still
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in him to do that. There's Dashie, there's a couple
of other you know, music sets up there that I'm
looking forward to dealing with Ski and I we reconnected.
He's in Yonkers, so I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
To working with Ski, you know, always had that heat.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And then the Homie Squares, Warburton family, all of them,
glen Wood, Jones, you know, just everybody's it's too many
the dimension, you know what I mean, Like I I
make that family network everywhere I go if it can happen. Man,
And we got Spice and mister you know my roommates
outside of everything I was doing in Rockefeller, you know
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my sanctuary. You know, when I had to be in
the city and couldn't go back to Jersey the Old
Bridge where Bleak was or you know those nice I
had to stay in Baseline like like you know, those
those are my brothers forever, Like mister Spice, I love y'all.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
We got per Fanboy again, Rock, We got you know,
my Gladys Kathy. We got Intercontinental Kent. That's the artist
I'm dealing with out there now. Salute to him, big bro.
We got Chris and Johnny Vega down on a long
branch down that way to Latin brothers who I look for,
you know, making their big pun run because you know
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they they got the Englishman the Latin market when it
comes to hip hop. They also the sons of Tony Vega.
He's a famous song horse jockey, you know what I mean.
But but with uh, you know he got he got
one of them backgrounds, so like they life is a movie.
So we got Chase Hill and my and my folks
out there Atlantic City Way, you know, that whole set
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of respect to all of y'all family, trying to remember everybody.
We go back to the Bronx though, because we got
to remember DC, Gail's Tom, Big Joe, you know, everybody
that was everybody that was there making sure that things
are situated. You know, my team outside of Rockefeller, we
filling in our own pockets. Whatever the label didn't do,
we accommodated ourselves. So love y'all forever on the South
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Carolina and man, my beloved, I'm so proud of all
of you, my Southern soul artists down there. I'm so
proud that the light is on you and y'all finally
getting recognition. Even with Southern soul as it is, keep pressing,
it's going to expand, it's going to evolve. My little cousin,
Malcolm Simmons, he's doing his numbers in Southern soul right now.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
We got my other little homie, Naval, y'all rule. He's
going to be a beast.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And you know, I don't know what is really to
come of what he's gonna do because he raps and
sayings and produces.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So yeah, he's a female.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I should have gotten from you, right, So Lizle should
have went to the Rhythm and Gangster school. Absolutely know
that's something. That's what I'm telling you. I was saying
that in my mind, you speaking, you know, you showing
love to all the young artists, up and coming artists
from different regions, different parts of the city, and that's
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so dope. Like I was thinking here and I'm like,
why you don't Just like why I ain't gonna say
why you don't. We I can help you or get
you in the right position to get a little distribution
set up or something. But you should definitely be doing
something with that Rhythm and gangsters. Too much talent out here.
I got a lot of it under your umbrella.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I didn't think you know that far, but I you know,
I do have the r G compilation coming, and I want,
I want, you know, I need bleak on that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Come on, man, that's nothing, bro, man, send the record.
That shit done. Yeah, I'm family. You know you get
that verse tonight, Send the verse. Send the record, y'all.
Y'all heard it here, man, it's been the same since
day what bro, they gonna never change.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Like I'm trying to get the I had a studio situation,
but I don't have my own preproduction set up yet.
But what I'm trying to do is get that up
and running because it's it's a list of yardist.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I'm just gonna you.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Know who you need to get with. Who got all
the pre production everything set up? Ready? Yeah, cheat joke
behind the camera, cheat joke. He got everything. That's who
got me back in the studio, Like I'm he got me.
Like remember how Rocky when he for Drago he was
in the snow training and that's how he got me
feeling like I'm I'm not Rocky.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
See all this music I'm putting out like respect to you,
inspect to you, like let's try.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And he got all the pre production everything, Yo. But
with all that being said, with the mentoring and all that,
I always wondered and now this is a couple questions.
I'ma phrase it together, like your album was always delayed
for years, Like you know, I always wanted to know
what happened behind that and how did you stay grounded
during those letdowns at them times? You know what I mean,
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because that's a major setback when you have your hopes
up behind in this game, think it's something gonna happen.
And then and then, what would you say to younger
artists in the same in a similar situation, what advice
would you give your younger self?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I would say, Well, my younger self is I would
give my younger self the same advice I just gave them.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And that's know that business.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
But know that business. Like for me though, you know,
to answer that question.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like with the album and everything, yeah, you stay grounded, bro.
You never you never wavered who you are and who
you were, and I respect that now. I'm always wanted
to know that.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Like you know, walking in the door as a as
an artist, and I guess just as a man to
who I was with somebody that wanted to provide therapy.
I knew that if I was great at providing therapy
in the music to ever I was, you know, trying
to shop that music too, or whoever I wanted to
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hear it and enjoy it, even if it was street.
You know, I knew that if I did that, then
I'd be okay in a sense, you know, because again,
like I told you earlier. My love for music is
not the thing. It's not the sale, it's not it's
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not the attention, it's not My love for music is
the therapy.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It's the creative process.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Like when I'm in that vocal booth, I'm as close
to God as I'm gonna be on earth because I'm
doing the one thing I love so much that i
will give my all, my very best to it. So
when I'm in that vocal booth, I'm closer to God
then I'll ever be doing anything else, you know what
I mean, even prayer, because I'm literally summons in that
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God energy when I'm in there working for myself or
anybody else. So that's why you don't hear anything where
I'm taking it light because pause. But well, I'm just
you know, not taking my craft seriously. Let me say
it that way, you're gonna hear it. I'm taking everything
I do seriously, even if it's on a mixtape, because
that's that guard energy I summons every time in this
So what what kept me bleak back to the main
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road is.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
The love for the creative process.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Even with all that mess was happening, what I loved
was hearing the song having an idea, laying it down
and enjoying you know that that finished product. That was
always like cutting grass and have eliminade and then looking
at the yard when you're done.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You know, all the ship gonna go down after that.
But that moment right there, you like, I did this,
you know what I mean? And that's that's what it was.
So that's what kept me. The love for what I
was doing is what kept me. You're gonna have days
with the love is all you have. I'm not gonna
make anything, you know what I mean. You're gonna have
days with you up. You're gonna have days when you down,
but you're gonna be okay if this is something that
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you love on that level, Like that stuff ain't gonna
phase you unless you let it phase you.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But I didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
When that stuff would, you know, show is ugliness in
my life, I would revert to that, you know, I'd
just be this introverted recording artist who wasn't paying attention almost.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
What was You just sparked another memory in my brain
just by you saying music is therapy. Yeah, And I'm
gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you something that is
the illest shit ever. Right, just picture this. I'm in Greece, right,
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this is how music is therapy because this is at
the time when my brother was, you know, just getting
out the hospital going through therapy. Yeah, you know, he
was always my security guard. So, you know, just listening
to different songs, I get the grease. It's me and
b I, right. So they had one music channel in
the whole in the whole hotel. So this one artist
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song kept playing. Her name is spelled Ayo, and I
pronounced of course, I'm from New York, so I pronounced it.
It's Ao. You know what I'm saying, but it's really
pronounced io. So and her song kept coming on down
on my knees right now. Mind you, I didn't know
this artists, didn't know where she was from, nothing, and
the song kept coming on, and I'm like, let me
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listen to this song. It's a reason they playing this shit.
So I listen. I'm like, no, this song is fire.
Like she talking some real, real, almost what I'm going through.
So I went to the record store in Greece and
looked for that album. Right, found her album. Listen to
the album. I'm like, yo, this woman sounds like the
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female Barb Malley.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Like.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So when I was dealing with the situation where my brother,
that album helped me, you know, really get you know,
think of happier thoughts and happier moments instead of being
so damn. So I'm gonna tell you an ill story
on how this goes full circle on how music is
therapy because we was on the same tour. Remember Colleen
that used to be Jay assistant, so you know, God blessed,
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that's my sister for life. So she went through a
family tragedy on this time, right, and she was dealing
We all the way in Greece, all the way away
from home, going to Italy everywhere. We're not back in America,
So she was dealing with some and I'm like, yo,
listen to this album. You know what I'm saying, Like
this helped me on a dark moment traveling on the road. Yo, bro.
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You know Colleen managed the girl now whoa WHOA?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
How ill is that that's therapy?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
My gee? To where she introduced me to the woman
to where I know her now wow, And it came
from just watching a video in Greece. So when you
say music is therapy, it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
That like thousands of years ago, that's all music was.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You had drums.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
That's how village is communicated, you know what I mean,
that's how they send signals to each other.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That's a fact.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Big drums and you can hear miles and that's we
need y'all today, or everything's cool. Like you, you had signals,
you know what I mean, You like people were sick.
You know, you have somebody with a Barry White tone,
like baritone bass voice come in and just put their
hands in your chest and oh and vibrate and loosen
flem and like it was. It came from a time
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where it was more than you know what it's been
narrowed down to.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
So with that being said, what do you miss most
about the era of your R and B? Because today's
R and B. I feel like it they's singing, but
it's rap. It's rapping beat. Bro.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I'm gonna be honest with you, what I miss about
my era? Salute to the nineties nineties BUCkies, all y'all
all over.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Words, assassins out there in yes, yes, yes, all right,
there's nothing but sad.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
But what you had in the music in the nineties.
And I'm not gonna limit this to R and B.
You know, I'm just gonna say it because that's the truth.
What you had in music all over the nineties, all
across the genres. What's so you could feel where people
were coming from in their raps and and they're singing.
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You could feel where people were coming from, right. You
understood every word. They wanted you to hear every word,
and they wanted you to They wanted to deliver you
something that you know was worth you going to the
store and buying that material, you know, which equivolates to
a download now. They wanted you to have something that
you coveted, like, no, they're going to get this period, you.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
The lines You remember when the lines used to be
around towers, like like the line is for Jordan's now yo,
or used to be for Jordan's for you know.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
They ain't around there. They're around now for Blndsey's right
right right yo.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
People would be like waiting for their record to be delivered.
You know what I'm saying, just based on what they
heard and what's been promoted. You had your right arm
and black beat magazines all of these things they tied
into the culture. You know, it's it was a different
feel because the music had feeling, it had feeling. I
respect all of the nest that I hear now. I'm
not saying I don't like a lot of what I'm
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hearing now. I respect it, you know what I mean.
Like a lot of artists now are dope phonetically dope, vocally, dope,
lyrically dope. But I just want to feel where you're
coming from, that's all. It's even like that in rap
now exactly. That's why I said it. It's not limited.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know, some of these guys rap you don't even
know where they're from. It just rap. Like. And with
that being said, though, where do you see R and
B evolving to? Do you see a comeback for that soul,
that sound that you miss?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I see the same recycling always happens, you know, it's
you know, it's it's like being in a mess hall
or a restaurant. It's not but so much different shit
that you know you can serve people. You know, eventually
it's gonna go back to seasonings and and and smells
that people are familiar with, Like whoa, I know this?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, we we double.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Back on on on a family favorite, and it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
With the music, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
It's like, Okay, a lot all of the you know,
all of the digital you know technology that that we
have now, you know, everything that you can try with
that stuff, it's gonna be tried. At the end of
the day, it's gonna revert back to where it was,
and then it's gonna evolve again from that and then
revert back to it again. It's it's just what it is,
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you know what I mean, That's just that's just how
I see it.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
With that being said, Yeah, what'sn't round, can't say tape that,
can't even say CD player, what's so around? M P
three player, what's on your playlet?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Scut predominantly nineties, predominantly nineties and quite honestly, man, I
go where like most people now, I'm going where social
media takes me outside of what moves me. If the
same people have been around are the same people I
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look to, you know for that feeling. You know, I
love that Wutang's doing stuff. I love that you back
you know in the music. I love that you know,
freeway and all of them are back into music, you know, like,
I love what I see going on with with with Jim,
with outside of all that other you know activity, and now.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
We're both better than ours. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
We're both better than ours. Don't worry about it. Me
and Jim we agree.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Say look, yo, shout out Dave's too. We got to
joint together. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I've been moving around
since I got back.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I gotta get Dave's up here. I gotta tell DV.
They say he shouted me out. You know, I always
like certain shout outs. Yeah, but Dave, he shout out.
I think he told a little bit too much information.
He told niggas, you want to highlight the big homie
highlight bleak Dave. Don't set these people up, my guy,
you got at me. Don't set these people up. Noah,
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fucks with East. That's my guy for word. When I
heard it, was like, why are you going a lot
of these people like that. They know damn well, I
ain't passing the plug off. I'm keeping them now. Niggas say, yo,
he tucking the plug, He'll share the plug. I ain't
sharing the plug. No more. Fucked I'm tucking the plug.
I'm getting mine for ten again, all right, fucking around.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
But it's one more person I gotta mention. I got
mentioned on my current manager, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's right. It's always that one person that gets you
back motivated man. So if it's Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
And Johnson got me all that cheat yo, Ben got
I gotta gotta sit out, sir.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
You know, I know you don't like no attention.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
But those the ones who don't want no attention, cheat
Joe look behind the camera like he got is the
ones that don't want no attention. So Ben Johnson to
cheat Joe. Y'all niggas need to get you out. The
niggas behind the scenes motivated to get you back, right,
told you have you like Rocky in the snow a right?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
You know what I mean. So before we before everything
is set and done, what do you want your legacy
to be with rock and beyond Rockefeller? What do you
say rail legacy?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I want to say that Real would be known for
just being real and the reputation that I'm trying to build,
as far as being solid, as far as you know,
being first knowledgeable myself and then you know, being responsible
in my own way for passing that knowledge on helping
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those who are ready and prepare to level up.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
My legacy is to.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Is to.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Leave a mark where my love for music is everywhere.
You know, I want to be excuse me, I want
to be remembered the way Jordan or or Kobe or
any of them. Just remember and for them, it was
never about the stats. They just played the best game
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they could every night. And then by the time the
game is over and they you know, wiping the sweat
off and talking to the people from ESPN and all,
that's when they're finding out what they actually did in numerica.
Most of them, they didn't know that they did that
till the game was over, and they didn't care when
they found out. They didn't care when they found out.
It was about the next game already, this was over.
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We got we got to win, you know, we got
in the bag. Wasn't our best night, but you know
what I'm saying. So we just going and take some
time off, get some rest, and focused on.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
The next one.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
And if I could be remembered for being a guy
that did that and had that reputation everywhere I mean,
your naming never died.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
That's a fact. Man.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You got that reputation with me, Like I said, every
time I called rap yo, I need and came through
Superman and the Cape on done got you blizz like
b And I just want to say, man, i just
found something out that blew my mind away. I'm in
the office today, you know, at the stop by Rock Nation, Real,
I see my homegirl. You know, I ain't seen the
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man that go in there and give a hug. She like, Yo,
you got my husband pulling up to the park today.
So I'm like, who your husband? She said, real, Yo,
my nigga. Blew my face off. Bro. Congratulations bro yo.
And she's a beautiful woman, man like, she's one of
that been down with us since day one and never changed,
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always been the same, a beautiful, respectful woman that she
is today. So when I've seen that, she knew, I
was super excited to see it because I haven't seen
that in a while. And then she said, y'all got married.
I'm like, no fucking way, way, yo. Congratulations. Welcome to
the circle. Dog. There's a few of us we ain't here,
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and a lot of a lot of niggas join the
circle and don't be enjoying it. You look like you
enjoying it, because she'll fuck you up if you.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
I'm enjoying it. I'm doing it, bro, I'm still I'm still.
I'm still waiting on our first fight.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
No, man, it's never gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's never gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
It's like I'm still waiting on that. I'm one of
those happily ones, you know what I'm saying. Happily That's
why I got the six million meter band. That's right
to see this from across the street.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Me and my wife probably get it one dispute a year,
and it's over basketball, wives or love and hip hop.
Like we either go a ratchet or we go classy.
All right, and it's a debut, so we we dispute that.
But after everything, man, I don't just want to say congratulations,
thank you for pulling up. What's next for rend? What
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the people could expect, you know, where they could find
you with the music? What's next, my guy?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Well, I'm going to say, in the immediate future, more music.
Of course.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
If you're following me on on my social media platforms,
y'all see that put out. You know, a bunch of
material lately. The Remedy album is just released. I'm re
releasing the Revelations Costs of Living live album I did
with the band. My brother's from Brooklyn, from the Bedford
area of Brooklyn. Also, I'm about to release the R
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and G Project's right, so I'm looking for.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, just got a word from bro.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Here Gangster one. I'm back outside. Gangster is on it.
Don't worry, we always are. So, uh, it's gonna be
some more acting.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I can't give any more detail on that right now,
but uh, you're gonna hear some of my music and
upcoming you know, TV shows, and you might see my
face here and that as well. So we got that
on deck. We're working out the other details on that.
More music from my little cousin, Malcolm Simmons. He's got
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another single coming out soon, so he's about to shake
that cage up again with Southern.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
So Nava ya ru again my homie.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Also ruckle Boy Jesus Christ bruh, All right, Nah, I
think I think it was I think it was a
piece of the mess. Yeah, oh yeah, smoke lash but
ruckle Boy Phil he's a rapper from our area. Orangeburg
celebrated and we look forward to his material coming out.
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Uh Mimi Green, the King, Malachi's Course Ed or three Fresh,
you know doing his numbers were we got. We got
International Intercontinental Camp again. That's per Damn Boy, my homie
out that way. So we got a lot of material.
We shot some videos down in palm isl of Palms
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in South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
I'm so excited to be here with y'all.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yo, how I forget No, I'm cutting you off, rest
you said, per fan boy, you struck. Another memory used
to had a nigga in the roller skates pull up
with the weed on usmbody used to come to perfect
like Yo, the weed man coming. This nigga come down
the block roller blade like this with the zips on them,
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to be like, Yo, this is the smoothest drug dealer ever.
Yoe I Yo, I just thought about that, Like Yo,
they got the roller blade dealer.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
We had everything. Man Spice shout out Jay Spice, Yo Spice.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Spice was the realist. He's like the hip hop weed man.
He was now no more. We live better lives that Yo.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I'm gonna tell you something crazy like like the Usher
Raymond record, I wrote, here I stand dray Vi Doll
was in sony y you wrote that. That's where my
Grammy nomination came from. Right now down you got big
dog ship.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know what I got.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I got on that record because Spice was going there
to see Dravid no way ass and they're like, yeah,
we're here doing some stuff. And then Spice put the
word in YO. You know, he talked, y'all was at
the crib, what's up? Like he got that and the
doll was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Real can come through and the rest is history.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
So Spice, Spice got me in linked with Donald mar
to call my Nerves record I did with Donald Ma Spice.
Uh uh here I stand Usher, Spice roommate mister and
Spice boots what up?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yah was taking it back?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, Spice was the blood. Spice was that only thing
the Spice knew that used to piss me off. And
it could be like, yeah, Daddy, whatever you need, Daddy, like,
don't don't call me that Spice. I think Spice, I
got a nigga and the crew. You need to link
up with cud my man prays y'all niggas get daddy
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each other to death.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Hey, I just about to say that I'm the only
two niggas I know that dude that yeah, Daddy, I
got you said.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
That's definitely a Latin thing.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, gotta be Yeah, because ain't nigga like what. I
don't even call my pops daddy.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Nigga like, hey, ray Mama, set bring the juice.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Ray Pops. That's all you get what you might get dad.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, niggas not My son never said daddy. I don't
think he ever like yo daddy. Yeah, yea. Niggas gotta
stop that ship. This is it. After this episod so drop.
No nigga should ever say to another man, yeah, Daddy,
I got the weed. Whatever Daddy you need to do, say,
Daddy is rape.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
After it's over, So spicing Press so over a we
go ended on that one. Spicing Press is over. Its
fucking round in the building. Remedy album is out, Rhythm
and gangsters dropping. We on some ship and the gangster
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is definitely in the motherfucking building. Appreciate you, I appreciate you.
Love is always man. You know that man. For more
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What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart
Radio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my
guys over at Drink Champs Big with the year in Memphis.
I'm black Addy, niggas. Notice the difference, just pron present
no stones. Right back at it with another one, this
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Rock Solid podcast. Like I told you, if you're on
this platform, it means one thing that you solid and
it definitely means this brother right here, he more solid
than a mad than a boulder like the rock. Like
I said, certain people that built the rock, Me and
this man right here, we started the rock off facts.
(00:43):
You know what I mean. I got my brother Rail
in the building. We here make some noise for Rail
on the platform. My guys, you know what I mean,
big shot out. Oh yeah yeah, you already know. Rel
how you being my brothers blessed Jeane.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Long time man, long time proud, Oh my guy man,
super proud of my brother.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fucking voice behind the name. Yo, you the voice if
nobody never told you me from what I always feel
and felt about you, my g I felt like you
brought the soul to Rockefeller. You know what I'm saying,
that soul like grit, that grind like and I always
admired your voice, your hustle. You was one of the grinders.
(01:26):
We started this shit together, So I want to take
them back and let them know, like when it's all
right Dropped, which was my first single, that's when you
had your first single feature with j Yeah, what was
the name?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Love for Free Streets? Watching?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh streets is watching Love for Free? Monster? Me and
this man went on the Chitlin circuit together. Some of
y'all call it the promo run.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
When we got on, it was called the Chitlin Circuit.
All we did was college radio and radio pirate radio,
yo tailor.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
We was grinding, grinding, like early days you know a Rockefeller. Yeah,
Like it was basically mapping out our own way as
we went. You know, there was no guy, no blueprint
before Jay Damon and then us, you know, coming in
the ranks, there was no you know, we went out there.
We carved our own way and yeah, salute to us.
(02:25):
That's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yo, that's a fact. We we held it down. Man.
That fucking run was crazy, bro. I remember us being there.
I think our first city we got to was Virginia,
and I remember saying to you it was me and you.
We was on the road, big shot of the diamonds
on the roads. I remember we got the Virginia and
(02:47):
my first thing to you was like, Yo, bro, we
ain't sitting in this hotel all day. We're gonna walk
the block and see what's out here. Man. We went
to that. I think we went to a TGI Friday.
Remember we met some ladies and all that was like, Yo,
we lived. We was in there. You remember that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It was a habit I had, like even once we
got off that tour, I was everywhere I went. You
asked my management team, They like, where'd you do that?
So the sos, I get my bags in the hotel room.
If I got downtime, I'm with the Locals's right, what's
happening with this that?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And I think take me over there. I think that
tour is what started at I remember we left to
the day DMX Rest of Peace. DMX remember his album
dropped that day when we first left to go on
the road. Yes, Dark and Hell is Hot. That was
the soundtrack to the tour. So you know we was
all tall Demon toime.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We was out there, ball out there telling every lie
you can think of, yo, man, Jim Wild youngest Yo,
like putting in that work.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
But but but maximizing on the front.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And this is what I want people to understand. This
is before the gur rules, the just blazes. Yeah, Kanye
West is. There wasn't even no Beanie Seagull, no Freeway,
no p D Crack. It was just me, Ral and
Diamonds in the rough, rebel and chinks and that's it.
We was out there, Marvin and they was. They used
(04:10):
to perform making the door. I love the door. You
need we need the dough. Yeah, I was performing. This's alright. Raller,
come out there, shut it down, love for free. Then
they'll come get the party cropping with I need the dog.
But Rail used to take all the chicks. Nah, it
ain't gonna lie. Ral came out there with that. He
hit you with that.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
He was like, oh shit, Hey, I was on stage
the first time, like when Jay was there and and
when your when you your first came up on It's
all right, all right. As soon as Bleak went in
the middle of the wall, Jay's like, no.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
But I'm talking about where we dolo.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Jay used to get it. We used doloa. Them girls
used to go crazy. You had that voice, and I
used to say that. I think back now, I was tripping.
I could have been the first drake. I could have
told you back then, y're ll teach me some moves
like the last Dragon. Listen, teach me some moves. God,
I could have had the blueprint on this ship early.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Let me tell you something like being the only R
and B you know, artists on the on the roster,
you know, and you know through our tenure.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I wanted to be more like y'all. I mean, I'm serious.
It was like, you know, I wanted I wanted.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That that street sat that that you know, hip hop
had that definitely our our labelmates had, you had, you know,
And it was a big deal for me when I
first landed in North South Carolina to just you know,
kind of you know, blend in, like just get along
peak the vibe.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I learned a lot about the terrain being around y'alld DC,
you know, my big gals and all.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And I'm saying, you see, we used to be mom
yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And we would go there. We would go to their shows.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yea, like all again to the radio station, go to
they shows, the step the concerts, all that shit. Man crazy,
But Joe, one thing I wanted to ask you too, Man,
what being from the south, Being from South Carolina? What
part of South Carolina?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Orangeburg? Bowman? Small town Bowman, Orangeburg County?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
WHOA that's out there? That's out there? It's so out
there I never even heard. That's how I know it's
out there when you ain't say a town in these places,
any place in the Carolina or Virginia and they be
like this town and you'd be like ware not just
know it's way out there. So is that where you
developed your love for singing? Like getting to the game?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You didn't have any talent shows or any type of
platforms like that. So we were in church. They started out,
you know, Moms is just dragging us in there. But
then when I tapped into the music, you know, that's
when you know I really started to you know, mature
as a vocalist, as a performer, being in front of people.
You know, in church, all they ever say is keep
(06:59):
saying you could have an off day. They don't care,
you know what I mean? And so I developed The
understanding is that if you give people something they can
feel with your music, a lot of times it won't matter,
you know, how perfect you are with your vocals or
your lyrical delivery or anything like that. It's if you
just give them something they could feel. If it's some
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therapy and what you're doing for folks, then you know
you got you got every reason to try this game out.
You know what could happen. So but when I got here,
everything else that happened. Rockefeller you know Don Blanks in
per Damn whar all them folks out there, and you
know DC, the Bronx, Yanky Bingham, Brooklyn, like, and that's
where me and you met. I met live out there
(07:41):
before I was real, you know what I mean. Like
I was just Jarell Gaddess. But I hung out on
Myrtle Avenue a lot. I know them boys in the
Hall of Fase barber shop. So I'll go over there,
you know, hang out with Tori and Jay and the
crew when I ain't had no studio time. But then
with me and him link after the Rockefeller thing, it
was a rap.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
How did you how did you get with the rock crew?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Because you know I just came around one day, They're like, YEO,
this round this the single we showed up to the
video show you whole shooting the video, and I'm like, okay,
this round we outside this is my guy man like,
but how did that happen for you to even make
it happen to get that deal?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It was? It was by way up man. I got
to go back there, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So for Neess is a group that I was in
when I first left home in South Carolina to venture
north with them. That's when I first met, you know,
Rock Don Blanks from per fan Boy. They told me
about d C and I would meet him eventually, but
Rock was the first when I met Rock was in
business with d C. D C was was was real,
(08:39):
real tight with Dame Dash and then the rest is history.
The deal came over crab case and and grit sometime.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We wasn't even in no office, you know. So That's
why I loved Dame forever for that, regardless.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What up I'm trying to tell people, Dang man, he
had to do business, man, he definitely hadn't do business.
Business And THEMN you bringing up per fan Boy, I
remember y'all had the club out like the crews with Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Man, they still talk about the fact that Real brought
jay Z and Rockefeller to per fan Boy.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That was my home.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So salute the per fan Boy still, even though most
of my homies they moved away Washington and Mechanics and
High Street and all of that, that's just legendary for me.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's that's his story.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I'm gonna tell you, son, I don't think you know, man,
I have a son because of y'all club in per
f Yeah, you know what I mean. Leek is here. Yeah,
being at that club and Perf Boy with y'all man.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like and a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
We was like what five ten minutes away from each
other at one point over Bridge. Yeah, when I did
level up, like, we was like five minutes apart.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's way. Let me use the whip.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
When I was furnishing my crib, I dropped my car
fet his crib, pick up the ta hooe go hand
on my business. We had that relationship, you know what
I mean, It was that way it was, it was,
it was it was an intertwined.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, we were family, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Artists and so, and we just took it to that
next level, and we're we could be brothers.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
We were.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's just what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Everybody on Rockefeller. I'm so used to saying the nation,
now that's what I said. But everybody on Rockefeller it
was literally like a family. And we treated it like that,
you know what I'm saying. So it didn't matter, it
didn't matter where you were from, it didn't matter what
you did. If it introduced you as they brother, then
you was our brother. Gad, you're good. Let me get
(10:24):
the light. You good. Keep that for you, baby. Like
if someone introduced you as they brother, then you was
all of our brothers, and we accepted you as that,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And then you can mess that up as long as
you you know, as long as you was on point,
you was bro.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I remember it was a business, respectful man. I used
to have rally massy with us. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Went there?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, you know you said, murder Avenue, man, Come on,
that's my backyard. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
But I think I'm the best one to tell this
story because right now, R and b A check us out,
y'all where where I look at?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Anyway, Hey, check this out?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
All right? This for the whole world. Okay, all right, bleak.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Authentic day one, authentic, all right, Like I got asked
over the years, you know how it's bleak was so
was gonna YadA YadA. You look, Bleak is authentic. Bleak
gonna be good always because bleak is authentic.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I saw the picture of the Porsche on the wall.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Man, you feel me, Yo. I remember with a picture
of a Porsche on my wall. Man, I'm trying to
come up on y'all. I saw the picture of the
Porsche red convertible taped on the wall over the bed
all facts. I had a Yeah, I saw that with
my own eyes. I was like, bro, Yo, I had
a wall of fame. You're bringing that up?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You got the thinking. I had a wall of fame
of rappers that I used to be like, damn, these
is the guys right here. And then I had the
things and that MARSI you know what I mean. Like,
I definitely had the Porsche on the wall. I had
a picture of Stabman Crib. I still ain't get Statman Crib.
Though I got the Porsch, I never got the stat mccrib.
I think I just never met an Oprah exactly. That's
(12:05):
all like, like, you know, had to do a whole
lot yo. And that was YO. And that was Steman
vacation home. That was on my wall. It wasn't even
the real crib.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But it was there.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, God, definitely, I'm glad. I'm glad you remember that, man,
because you a lot of people think, you know, when
you're rapping, you're making music, that you're just making stuff up.
And I tell people, man, Jay used to always tell
me when the lines stopped, the rhyme stop, So as
long as you lying, you better keep it up. Like so,
everything we did was authentic. Everything we did was to
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the heart, and we just were speaking our truths, man,
just trying to win. So it was no made up raps.
Those was real dreams. I wore for the Porsche on
the wall. Man, I'm trying to come to come up
on y'all with stat mc crib. I don't think I
came up still, I gotta check that out, man. Stand
we got to holler. So I wonder always act you
(13:08):
being the only R and B guy. You know, once
we got beans, we got the Young Guns, Freeway, state property,
everybody came. Did you ever feel like it was pressure
for you to like keep up with that, any of
us anything.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
All the time, all the time, unwaivering pressure because you know,
I'm at this table, this long, exquisite table, and it's
all predators. I mean it's all lions, tigers, bears, sharks,
you know, predators.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You know people that you know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
They're not gangster, but they're not people you can just
do anything, you know, handle any kind of way either,
you know what I mean, Like they are people that respond.
So you're sitting at that table, you're the only one
to sing everybody rhyme.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, it was pressure.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It was I should to say the least, because you know,
I had this burning desire to deliver as far as
contemporary R and B was concerned. But then once I
got with Rockefeller and became a part of that understood
you know, the authenticity, the authenticity that went along with
our music. Yeah, then it became this other thing like
all right, you know, it's some realness to my life too,
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my backdropping or.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know, how can I blend who I am into this? Missed?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Because we we we we definitely got you know, we
have we have similarities, like we come from backgrounds where
we all seen a lot of same stuff. And so
in between me not being able to move on the
contemporary because of everything that Rockefeller was up against, you know,
trying to get R and B off the ground. Hip
hop was cool, it was harder to get R and
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B off the ground for them. So with everything that
they was up against, I started looking for, you know,
alternative means to reach my audience, and so that became
R and G. That became when I started doing all
that mixtape stuff. But you're saying, you know, she's singing,
but sounded like around for singing. It's like, you know what,
to my knowledge, because I'm a student, you know, there's
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just really been no one on the East coast to
flex that domino. You got Nate Dogg. As far as
I'm concerned, they the only two before me. So all
of that thought went into me deciding that I was
going to do that. It wasn't just I was out
there trying to be a rapper. It was like, nah,
it's strategically I got to figure out what my place
is at this table, and eventually I became the wolf.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That's right, I'm the.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Wolf at the table and not the biggest predator, but
I'm only a face.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
It's a you want to see them.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I told you, Like I told you, your voice is iconic.
There's no one who sound like you. There's no one
you sound like. They never ever confused you, yo, real
trying to be like this guy. Y'all sound this guy
trying to be like this guy. You ain't want that, bro.
You did some of the most. You saved a lot
of records on Rockefeller. Listen, like, my whole made album
(15:57):
is damn near your album two.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
But but, and but, y'all save me too, you know
what I mean. Like, I'm from an era where you're
shunned upon if you're only on choruses. You see what
I'm saying, Like, if if all you can get his
choruses back then, yeah, you weren't looked at as that guy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You would look like you were lacking, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But years later, all of those choruses, they turned into
a catalog that nobody else in R and B has.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That's right, where's the camera again?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I got more features with hip hop than anybody who
sings in the history of singing.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And that's the fact. And that's a fact. Classics too,
not just regular jack.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They don't have the who you look up.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They don't have the features with hip hop solid hip
hop dudes than I do. I'm black coastal with that
salute the.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
All out of all the collaborations you've ever done, what's
your favorite?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Ooh bleed?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We ain't this to nobody, So if you, I know,
we did a lot of classics. But if it's me picking,
I would pick no Better Love over any record we
did because I always felt like, God damn, why I
ain't get a beat like that for me and my
g I always gotta rap about some fucking pain.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Well, but but what DJ Rodgers Junior and my homie
was able to bring to the session that night when
we did understand me still.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Oh oh bro, it's classic. That's still to this.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Day, bro, like like, that's one of my favorites because
I got to be rail right there. See to a singer,
at least to a singer, a real one like myself.
I totally enjoy everybody else's music and I have you
know those people that I or my idols when it
came to vocals, you know what I mean, Old school,
(17:42):
Land news school male and female mind you you know,
but I always had the brand and desire to be
real because in my mind, Michael Jackson became Michael Jackson
because Mike Stay, Mike, Marvin Staye, Marvin Stevie Stage, Stevie,
Luther Stay Luther, you know. And I want to be real.
I want to make can impact. Where they hear me,
they go, that's real. And it's not because he sounds
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like anybody else or reminds them of anybody else, but
because he's still carrying that torch that those great vocalists
and lyricists carry where they want to make their own mark.
They don't want to be known from just borrowing from
what was great before them, but making their own great mark,
you know what I mean? So understand me. Still no
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better love, definitely. I mean that's obvious. You know that's obvious.
Black tidfit baby, Okay. But then you got songs like
the joint I did with with with Jim that let
Me Fly. She let Me Fly talks about my entire
career going all the way back to Rockefeller seven Am,
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turning over manager, blowing up the phone in my suite
and smile on my face.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I don't mean to make him weak, but she's that
much SEXYO when she sleep, you know that type of stuff.
It allowed me to be real.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
So I'm more proud of the things that I did
allowed me to be well in that mix than where
I had to emulate something else.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
So understand Me Still is at the top of Wow.
You know what I mean. No better love is obvious.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You see, it's obvious you you're borrowing from great components
and elements and energy, so it's it's almost a no
brainer that you're going to come out with something that
people like. But when you're going from scratch, you see
what I'm saying, understand Me Still is from scratch, And
you know I covered that because you know that that
that that was our inspirations, all inspiration for that record
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came you know, from that room while we were in there.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And we was really yeah, we was like we weren't
trying to let that one go.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And that's what I'm saying, likember, my brother was in
the hospital at that time. You we was really just
moved my mom. So all that shit you hear in
that song, fact that there's a hundred thousand percent fact
fact that song I can't even listen to because it's
like a period in my life that I don't want
to remember, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
That's the that's the part I love about what Rockefeller was.
It was like, you know you got this, you got
this cast. It's ensemble a talented people who live everywhere
they speak, and I mean everybody everybody there. I was
just authentic, from from Ja down to you know, Denim Yah.
I remember everybody man listen rock. Like you said, it
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was a family and and and that having that experience
and being able to attach myself to that platform, that's
now part of you know, Hall of Fame, bro hip
hop all Like what else can you ask for?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Coming from Bowman, I'm goa bring you this bringing this
up because I just thought about this as you talked there.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I remember when we did as One and it just
was the sample Huck and Jay was like, nah, man,
we need to bring this ship to life. He's like, man,
can ral Man rail go kill this ship? And you
came down there and smoked as One.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
We heard that ship like, oh nah, that's it, that's
it's earth winding fire.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, you know I had to go with me.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, we got it, we gotta we got Yeah. So
like it was more pressure doing no better. Love and
Earth Winding Fire than any other record, because you know.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You want to make you want to pay on.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Earth Win That's Karen Van Rows. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You don't want to I say that even on that
other one, the one out there with beans changed up,
that was another one.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's like, I don't want to mess this up. That's
a fact. And that's you saying. That leads me to
something I say about these kids today. They be sampling
you know, everybody record. If you going sample a nigga record,
make it better what you did, what they did. Don't
fuck a nigga record up. You just wasting beats and
balls and studio top and label money. Don't do it.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
They gotta clear it, you know, like make sure they're
hearing something they gonna enjoy.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, man, like a ball from their likeness.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You just so. I gotta say. But one question, another
question asked for you. What what would you say your
biggest lesson about the business side of the music will be.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
For you learn the business.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Learn the business, all right, Ask every question that you
can read, every manual that you can have some experience
in business management before you go into the music industry.
Then all you got to learn is music business, but
business management you already have down if you're one of
those collegiates, but you have a passion for music, major
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in business, minor in music or vice versa. You're twenty
one years old when you graduate, you're still a baby,
ready to take on the business and show your talent,
you know. So that's the lessons, and don't look for
detail for me or any other artists. There's no one
way to success. All our stories are difference, right. You know,
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if you want to win in any game, the key
is to stay in that game. Simply stay in it because,
like Jay said, a broken clock is right at least
two times a day. Even a garbage pan gets a stake.
Everything gets this moment. If you stay in you know,
stay the court. Yeah, you stay the course, It's going
to happen.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It's going to happen. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Because as you're moving, you're growing, you're learning your networking,
you're expanding, you're trying, you're failing, you're trying again. You know,
these things are happening as you're continueing, you know what
I'm saying. Then you just reached this point where you
happen to be this place, and this person happened to
be there, and this thing happened to go down the
way it did, and then you just happen to be
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in that mix. Like it's about timing, you know what
I mean. But you got to be on time in
order to you know, to achieve that timing. It's at
the end of the day, it's time. It's like, man,
anybody asks you how it happened, It's like it's the
same thing. You scratch your head because you don't know
where to start. It's like, you know what I mean,
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But so I narrowed it down to that, know, the business.
I came in with talent. Talent got me in the door,
but I had to learn what the business was in
order to stay in the door.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
You know, these doors revolved, and you.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Know it's it's a it's a fine line you gotta walk,
you know, until you're confident enough to position yourself in
a way where you know you're you're you're solidified.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That's what's up, man, that's a fact. Definitely learned the
business man. You heard it right here, man, The business first,
I level what you said that you said business first
music minor business major music I like that. That's a
good one, man, You young boys need to write that down. Man,
that's a good one. I wish I'd have known that.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
One because I was out here dying major rappid minor alright,
figure was bugging out here.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But Joe, I always wanted to know because I heard
the whispers. I never got confirmation. Is there any artists
that you have a mentored or or like guided behind
the scenes, or like you know, like Plenty came to
you for advice or you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Plenty worldwide Like I'm an o G one hundred times.
Oh of course, of course worldwire Bro's And it's funny
that you say that. In Yonkers, I got Ray Sean,
like I'm trying to you know, see him, you know,
really take Hiss to the next level if it's still
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in him to do that. There's Dashie, there's a couple
of other you know, music sets up there that I'm
looking forward to dealing with Ski and I we reconnected.
He's in Yonkers, so I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
To working with Ski, you know, always had that heat.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And then the Homie Squares, Warburton family, all of them,
glen Wood, Jones, you know, just everybody's it's too many
the dimension, you know what I mean, Like I I
make that family network everywhere I go if it can happen. Man,
And we got Spice and mister you know my roommates
outside of everything I was doing in Rockefeller, you know
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my sanctuary. You know, when I had to be in
the city and couldn't go back to Jersey the Old
Bridge where Bleak was or you know those nice I
had to stay in Baseline like like you know, those
those are my brothers forever, Like mister Spice, I love y'all.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
We got per Fanboy again, Rock, We got you know,
my Gladys Kathy. We got Intercontinental Kent. That's the artist
I'm dealing with out there now. Salute to him, big bro.
We got Chris and Johnny Vega down on a long
branch down that way to Latin brothers who I look for,
you know, making their big pun run because you know
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they they got the Englishman the Latin market when it
comes to hip hop. They also the sons of Tony Vega.
He's a famous song horse jockey, you know what I mean.
But but with uh, you know he got he got
one of them backgrounds, so like they life is a movie.
So we got Chase Hill and my and my folks
out there Atlantic City Way, you know, that whole set
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of respect to all of y'all family, trying to remember everybody.
We go back to the Bronx though, because we got
to remember DC, Gail's Tom, Big Joe, you know, everybody
that was everybody that was there making sure that things
are situated. You know, my team outside of Rockefeller, we
filling in our own pockets. Whatever the label didn't do,
we accommodated ourselves. So love y'all forever on the South
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Carolina and man, my beloved, I'm so proud of all
of you, my Southern soul artists down there. I'm so
proud that the light is on you and y'all finally
getting recognition. Even with Southern soul as it is, keep pressing,
it's going to expand, it's going to evolve. My little cousin,
Malcolm Simmons, he's doing his numbers in Southern soul right now.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
We got my other little homie, Naval, y'all rule. He's
going to be a beast.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And you know, I don't know what is really to
come of what he's gonna do because he raps and
sayings and produces.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
So yeah, he's a female.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I should have gotten from you, right, So Lizle should
have went to the Rhythm and Gangster school. Absolutely know
that's something. That's what I'm telling you. I was saying
that in my mind, you speaking, you know, you showing
love to all the young artists, up and coming artists
from different regions, different parts of the city, and that's
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so dope. Like I was thinking here and I'm like,
why you don't Just like why I ain't gonna say
why you don't. We I can help you or get
you in the right position to get a little distribution
set up or something. But you should definitely be doing
something with that Rhythm and gangsters. Too much talent out here.
I got a lot of it under your umbrella.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I didn't think you know that far, but I you know,
I do have the r G compilation coming, and I want,
I want, you know, I need bleak on that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Come on, man, that's nothing, bro, man, send the record.
That shit done. Yeah, I'm family. You know you get
that verse tonight, Send the verse. Send the record, y'all.
Y'all heard it here, man, it's been the same since
day what bro, they gonna never change.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Like I'm trying to get the I had a studio situation,
but I don't have my own preproduction set up yet.
But what I'm trying to do is get that up
and running because it's it's a list of yardist.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I'm just gonna you.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Know who you need to get with. Who got all
the pre production everything set up? Ready? Yeah, cheat joke
behind the camera, cheat joke. He got everything. That's who
got me back in the studio, Like I'm he got me.
Like remember how Rocky when he for Drago he was
in the snow training and that's how he got me
feeling like I'm I'm not Rocky.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
See all this music I'm putting out like respect to you,
inspect to you, like let's try.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And he got all the pre production everything, Yo. But
with all that being said, with the mentoring and all that,
I always wondered and now this is a couple questions.
I'ma phrase it together, like your album was always delayed
for years, Like you know, I always wanted to know
what happened behind that and how did you stay grounded
during those letdowns at them times? You know what I mean,
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because that's a major setback when you have your hopes
up behind in this game, think it's something gonna happen.
And then and then, what would you say to younger
artists in the same in a similar situation, what advice
would you give your younger self?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I would say, Well, my younger self is I would
give my younger self the same advice I just gave them.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And that's know that business.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
But know that business. Like for me though, you know,
to answer that question.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like with the album and everything, yeah, you stay grounded, bro.
You never you never wavered who you are and who
you were, and I respect that now. I'm always wanted
to know that.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Like you know, walking in the door as a as
an artist, and I guess just as a man to
who I was with somebody that wanted to provide therapy.
I knew that if I was great at providing therapy
in the music to ever I was, you know, trying
to shop that music too, or whoever I wanted to
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hear it and enjoy it, even if it was street.
You know, I knew that if I did that, then
I'd be okay in a sense, you know, because again,
like I told you earlier. My love for music is
not the thing. It's not the sale, it's not it's
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not the attention, it's not My love for music is
the therapy.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
It's the creative process.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Like when I'm in that vocal booth, I'm as close
to God as I'm gonna be on earth because I'm
doing the one thing I love so much that i
will give my all, my very best to it. So
when I'm in that vocal booth, I'm closer to God
then I'll ever be doing anything else, you know what
I mean, even prayer, because I'm literally summons in that
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God energy when I'm in there working for myself or
anybody else. So that's why you don't hear anything where
I'm taking it light because pause. But well, I'm just
you know, not taking my craft seriously. Let me say
it that way, you're gonna hear it. I'm taking everything
I do seriously, even if it's on a mixtape, because
that's that guard energy I summons every time in this
So what what kept me bleak back to the main
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road is.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
The love for the creative process.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Even with all that mess was happening, what I loved
was hearing the song having an idea, laying it down
and enjoying you know that that finished product. That was
always like cutting grass and have eliminade and then looking
at the yard when you're done.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You know, all the ship gonna go down after that.
But that moment right there, you like, I did this,
you know what I mean? And that's that's what it was.
So that's what kept me. The love for what I
was doing is what kept me. You're gonna have days
with the love is all you have. I'm not gonna
make anything, you know what I mean. You're gonna have
days with you up. You're gonna have days when you down,
but you're gonna be okay if this is something that
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you love on that level, Like that stuff ain't gonna
phase you unless you let it phase you.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But I didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
When that stuff would, you know, show is ugliness in
my life, I would revert to that, you know, I'd
just be this introverted recording artist who wasn't paying attention almost.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
What was You just sparked another memory in my brain
just by you saying music is therapy. Yeah, And I'm
gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you something that is
the illest shit ever. Right, just picture this. I'm in Greece, right,
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this is how music is therapy because this is at
the time when my brother was, you know, just getting
out the hospital going through therapy. Yeah, you know, he
was always my security guard. So, you know, just listening
to different songs, I get the grease. It's me and
b I, right. So they had one music channel in
the whole in the whole hotel. So this one artist
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song kept playing. Her name is spelled Ayo, and I
pronounced of course, I'm from New York, so I pronounced it.
It's Ao. You know what I'm saying, but it's really
pronounced io. So and her song kept coming on down
on my knees right now. Mind you, I didn't know
this artists, didn't know where she was from, nothing, and
the song kept coming on, and I'm like, let me
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listen to this song. It's a reason they playing this shit.
So I listen. I'm like, no, this song is fire.
Like she talking some real, real, almost what I'm going through.
So I went to the record store in Greece and
looked for that album. Right, found her album. Listen to
the album. I'm like, yo, this woman sounds like the
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female Barb Malley.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Like.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So when I was dealing with the situation where my brother,
that album helped me, you know, really get you know,
think of happier thoughts and happier moments instead of being
so damn. So I'm gonna tell you an ill story
on how this goes full circle on how music is
therapy because we was on the same tour. Remember Colleen
that used to be Jay assistant, so you know, God blessed,
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that's my sister for life. So she went through a
family tragedy on this time, right, and she was dealing
We all the way in Greece, all the way away
from home, going to Italy everywhere. We're not back in America,
So she was dealing with some and I'm like, yo,
listen to this album. You know what I'm saying, Like
this helped me on a dark moment traveling on the road. Yo, bro.
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You know Colleen managed the girl now whoa WHOA?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
How ill is that that's therapy?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
My gee? To where she introduced me to the woman
to where I know her now wow, And it came
from just watching a video in Greece. So when you
say music is therapy, it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
That like thousands of years ago, that's all music was.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You had drums.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
That's how village is communicated, you know what I mean,
that's how they send signals to each other.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That's a fact.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Big drums and you can hear miles and that's we
need y'all today, or everything's cool. Like you, you had signals,
you know what I mean, You like people were sick.
You know, you have somebody with a Barry White tone,
like baritone bass voice come in and just put their
hands in your chest and oh and vibrate and loosen
flem and like it was. It came from a time
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where it was more than you know what it's been
narrowed down to.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
So with that being said, what do you miss most
about the era of your R and B? Because today's
R and B. I feel like it they's singing, but
it's rap. It's rapping beat. Bro.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I'm gonna be honest with you, what I miss about
my era? Salute to the nineties nineties BUCkies, all y'all
all over.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Words, assassins out there in yes, yes, yes, all right,
there's nothing but sad.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
But what you had in the music in the nineties.
And I'm not gonna limit this to R and B.
You know, I'm just gonna say it because that's the truth.
What you had in music all over the nineties, all
across the genres. What's so you could feel where people
were coming from in their raps and and they're singing.
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You could feel where people were coming from, right. You
understood every word. They wanted you to hear every word,
and they wanted you to They wanted to deliver you
something that you know was worth you going to the
store and buying that material, you know, which equivolates to
a download now. They wanted you to have something that
you coveted, like, no, they're going to get this period, you.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
The lines You remember when the lines used to be
around towers, like like the line is for Jordan's now yo,
or used to be for Jordan's for you know.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
They ain't around there. They're around now for Blndsey's right
right right yo.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
People would be like waiting for their record to be delivered.
You know what I'm saying, just based on what they
heard and what's been promoted. You had your right arm
and black beat magazines all of these things they tied
into the culture. You know, it's it was a different
feel because the music had feeling, it had feeling. I
respect all of the nest that I hear now. I'm
not saying I don't like a lot of what I'm
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hearing now. I respect it, you know what I mean.
Like a lot of artists now are dope phonetically dope, vocally, dope,
lyrically dope. But I just want to feel where you're
coming from, that's all. It's even like that in rap
now exactly. That's why I said it. It's not limited.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know, some of these guys rap you don't even
know where they're from. It just rap. Like. And with
that being said, though, where do you see R and
B evolving to? Do you see a comeback for that soul,
that sound that you miss?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I see the same recycling always happens, you know, it's
you know, it's it's like being in a mess hall
or a restaurant. It's not but so much different shit
that you know you can serve people. You know, eventually
it's gonna go back to seasonings and and and smells
that people are familiar with, Like whoa, I know this?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, we we double.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Back on on on a family favorite, and it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
With the music, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
It's like, Okay, a lot all of the you know,
all of the digital you know technology that that we
have now, you know, everything that you can try with
that stuff, it's gonna be tried. At the end of
the day, it's gonna revert back to where it was,
and then it's gonna evolve again from that and then
revert back to it again. It's it's just what it is,
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you know what I mean, That's just that's just how
I see it.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
With that being said, Yeah, what'sn't round, can't say tape that,
can't even say CD player, what's so around? M P
three player, what's on your playlet?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Scut predominantly nineties, predominantly nineties and quite honestly, man, I
go where like most people now, I'm going where social
media takes me outside of what moves me. If the
same people have been around are the same people I
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look to, you know for that feeling. You know, I
love that Wutang's doing stuff. I love that you back
you know in the music. I love that you know,
freeway and all of them are back into music, you know, like,
I love what I see going on with with with Jim,
with outside of all that other you know activity, and now.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
We're both better than ours. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
We're both better than ours. Don't worry about it. Me
and Jim we agree.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Say look, yo, shout out Dave's too. We got to
joint together. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I've been moving around
since I got back.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I gotta get Dave's up here. I gotta tell DV.
They say he shouted me out. You know, I always
like certain shout outs. Yeah, but Dave, he shout out.
I think he told a little bit too much information.
He told niggas, you want to highlight the big homie
highlight bleak Dave. Don't set these people up, my guy,
you got at me. Don't set these people up. Noah,
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fucks with East. That's my guy for word. When I
heard it, was like, why are you going a lot
of these people like that. They know damn well, I
ain't passing the plug off. I'm keeping them now. Niggas say, yo,
he tucking the plug, He'll share the plug. I ain't
sharing the plug. No more. Fucked I'm tucking the plug.
I'm getting mine for ten again, all right, fucking around.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
But it's one more person I gotta mention. I got
mentioned on my current manager, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's right. It's always that one person that gets you
back motivated man. So if it's Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
And Johnson got me all that cheat yo, Ben got
I gotta gotta sit out, sir.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
You know, I know you don't like no attention.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
But those the ones who don't want no attention, cheat
Joe look behind the camera like he got is the
ones that don't want no attention. So Ben Johnson to
cheat Joe. Y'all niggas need to get you out. The
niggas behind the scenes motivated to get you back, right,
told you have you like Rocky in the snow a right?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
You know what I mean. So before we before everything
is set and done, what do you want your legacy
to be with rock and beyond Rockefeller? What do you
say rail legacy?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I want to say that Real would be known for
just being real and the reputation that I'm trying to build,
as far as being solid, as far as you know,
being first knowledgeable myself and then you know, being responsible
in my own way for passing that knowledge on helping
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those who are ready and prepare to level up.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
My legacy is to.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Is to.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Leave a mark where my love for music is everywhere.
You know, I want to be excuse me, I want
to be remembered the way Jordan or or Kobe or
any of them. Just remember and for them, it was
never about the stats. They just played the best game
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they could every night. And then by the time the
game is over and they you know, wiping the sweat
off and talking to the people from ESPN and all,
that's when they're finding out what they actually did in numerica.
Most of them, they didn't know that they did that
till the game was over, and they didn't care when
they found out. They didn't care when they found out.
It was about the next game already, this was over.
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We got we got to win, you know, we got
in the bag. Wasn't our best night, but you know
what I'm saying. So we just going and take some
time off, get some rest, and focused on.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
The next one.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
And if I could be remembered for being a guy
that did that and had that reputation everywhere I mean,
your naming never died.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
That's a fact. Man.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You got that reputation with me, Like I said, every
time I called rap yo, I need and came through
Superman and the Cape on done got you blizz like
b And I just want to say, man, i just
found something out that blew my mind away. I'm in
the office today, you know, at the stop by Rock Nation, Real,
I see my homegirl. You know, I ain't seen the
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man that go in there and give a hug. She like, Yo,
you got my husband pulling up to the park today.
So I'm like, who your husband? She said, real, Yo,
my nigga. Blew my face off. Bro. Congratulations bro yo.
And she's a beautiful woman, man like, she's one of
that been down with us since day one and never changed,
(44:58):
always been the same, a beautiful, respectful woman that she
is today. So when I've seen that, she knew, I
was super excited to see it because I haven't seen
that in a while. And then she said, y'all got married.
I'm like, no fucking way, way, yo. Congratulations. Welcome to
the circle. Dog. There's a few of us we ain't here,
(45:18):
and a lot of a lot of niggas join the
circle and don't be enjoying it. You look like you
enjoying it, because she'll fuck you up if you.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
I'm enjoying it. I'm doing it, bro, I'm still I'm still.
I'm still waiting on our first fight.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
No, man, it's never gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's never gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
It's like I'm still waiting on that. I'm one of
those happily ones, you know what I'm saying. Happily That's
why I got the six million meter band. That's right
to see this from across the street.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Me and my wife probably get it one dispute a year,
and it's over basketball, wives or love and hip hop.
Like we either go a ratchet or we go classy.
All right, and it's a debut, so we we dispute that.
But after everything, man, I don't just want to say congratulations,
thank you for pulling up. What's next for rend? What
(46:07):
the people could expect, you know, where they could find
you with the music? What's next, my guy?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Well, I'm going to say, in the immediate future, more music.
Of course.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
If you're following me on on my social media platforms,
y'all see that put out. You know, a bunch of
material lately. The Remedy album is just released. I'm re
releasing the Revelations Costs of Living live album I did
with the band. My brother's from Brooklyn, from the Bedford
area of Brooklyn. Also, I'm about to release the R
(46:43):
and G Project's right, so I'm looking for.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, just got a word from bro.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Here Gangster one. I'm back outside. Gangster is on it.
Don't worry, we always are. So, uh, it's gonna be
some more acting.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I can't give any more detail on that right now,
but uh, you're gonna hear some of my music and
upcoming you know, TV shows, and you might see my
face here and that as well. So we got that
on deck. We're working out the other details on that.
More music from my little cousin, Malcolm Simmons. He's got
(47:21):
another single coming out soon, so he's about to shake
that cage up again with Southern.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
So Nava ya ru again my homie.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Also ruckle Boy Jesus Christ bruh, All right, Nah, I
think I think it was I think it was a
piece of the mess. Yeah, oh yeah, smoke lash but
ruckle Boy Phil he's a rapper from our area. Orangeburg
celebrated and we look forward to his material coming out.
(47:52):
Uh Mimi Green, the King, Malachi's Course Ed or three Fresh,
you know doing his numbers were we got. We got
International Intercontinental Camp again. That's per Damn Boy, my homie
out that way. So we got a lot of material.
We shot some videos down in palm isl of Palms
(48:13):
in South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
I'm so excited to be here with y'all.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yo, how I forget No, I'm cutting you off, rest
you said, per fan boy, you struck. Another memory used
to had a nigga in the roller skates pull up
with the weed on usmbody used to come to perfect
like Yo, the weed man coming. This nigga come down
the block roller blade like this with the zips on them,
(48:36):
to be like, Yo, this is the smoothest drug dealer ever.
Yoe I Yo, I just thought about that, Like Yo,
they got the roller blade dealer.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
We had everything. Man Spice shout out Jay Spice, Yo Spice.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Spice was the realist. He's like the hip hop weed man.
He was now no more. We live better lives that Yo.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I'm gonna tell you something crazy like like the Usher
Raymond record, I wrote, here I stand dray Vi Doll
was in sony y you wrote that. That's where my
Grammy nomination came from. Right now down you got big
dog ship.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know what I got.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I got on that record because Spice was going there
to see Dravid no way ass and they're like, yeah,
we're here doing some stuff. And then Spice put the
word in YO. You know, he talked, y'all was at
the crib, what's up? Like he got that and the
doll was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Real can come through and the rest is history.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
So Spice, Spice got me in linked with Donald mar
to call my Nerves record I did with Donald Ma Spice.
Uh uh here I stand Usher, Spice roommate mister and
Spice boots what up?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yah was taking it back?
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, Spice was the blood. Spice was that only thing
the Spice knew that used to piss me off. And
it could be like, yeah, Daddy, whatever you need, Daddy, like,
don't don't call me that Spice. I think Spice, I
got a nigga and the crew. You need to link
up with cud my man prays y'all niggas get daddy
(50:16):
each other to death.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Hey, I just about to say that I'm the only
two niggas I know that dude that yeah, Daddy, I
got you said.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
That's definitely a Latin thing.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, gotta be Yeah, because ain't nigga like what. I
don't even call my pops daddy.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Nigga like, hey, ray Mama, set bring the juice.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Ray Pops. That's all you get what you might get dad.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, niggas not My son never said daddy. I don't
think he ever like yo daddy. Yeah, yea. Niggas gotta
stop that ship. This is it. After this episod so drop.
No nigga should ever say to another man, yeah, Daddy,
I got the weed. Whatever Daddy you need to do, say,
Daddy is rape.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
After it's over, So spicing Press so over a we
go ended on that one. Spicing Press is over. Its
fucking round in the building. Remedy album is out, Rhythm
and gangsters dropping. We on some ship and the gangster
(51:32):
is definitely in the motherfucking building. Appreciate you, I appreciate you.
Love is always man. You know that man. For more
podcasts from our Heart Radio, visit i Heeart radio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows app,
and you can follow me on any social media platform
(51:53):
under the name Memphis Bleak. You see anybody fraw in
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