September 12, 2025 • 24 mins
Amy and T.J. have all the latest details in the late night arrest of 22 year old Tyler Robinson for the murder of Charlie Kirk. From the eerie messages on his bullet casings to the confession he reportedly made to his own Father, we watched the press conference and read all the reports so you don’t have to. Amy and T.J. also share their thoughts on what the Governor of Utah had to say about the shooter and political violence in this country.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, folks, it is Friday, September twelfth, and it took
thirty three hours over three days, but they got the
guy who they say shot and killed Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The headline is that he was arrested last night ten
o'clock local time in Utah. But is a twenty two
year old man from Utah and his name is Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And Tyler Robinson was brought into custody by members of
his own family, a family friend also involved in One
of his friends as well also gave information to police.
So this was a matter of family members recognizing him,
finding some sort of similarities to what they were seeing
(00:47):
on the news and what they were hearing from him,
and put two and two together, and according to authorities,
he confessed to his family that he in fact was
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And people are trying to piece together right now as
much as they can about Tyler Robinson, who he is,
where he's from, what his ideology might have been, and
what his motives might be. Right now, all police are
saying is that this is the guy. They are sure
this is the guy. They don't expect any other arrests
to be made. They don't believe anyone else was responsible,
but they did not speculate, at least at this point
about a potential motive. Now Robes, this was an interesting
(01:20):
morning because we got up and did our regular daily
news podcast Morning Run. Still no one had been caught
by the time we finished. By the time we get
done with that, we see Donald Trump show up on
Fox and Friends and made himself comfortable.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That's right, so you said.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
When we woke up and we recorded Morning Run, no
one had been arrested as far as we knew. The
truth is someone had been arrested. And yes, President Trump
announced it to the world on Fox and Friends, and
that is how we found out. And he wasn't even
one hundred percent. He used words like he was fairly certain,
like it wasn't. So we were still waiting for the
(02:01):
official word, even though he did say that it looked
like they had their guy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And but at that point it was everywhere and every
network had picked it up. You, I'm sure you all
got the breaking news or learns, and all of them
had to say this. Trump says that the shooter has
been caught.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I noticed at the press conference when we finally did
get word from officials. They said, you may have heard
that Trump reported. It's almost as if in this story,
from the moment that we found out Charlie Kirk had died,
it was from Trump we found out there was someone
under arrest.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
From Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He has been the spokesperson, so to speak, and the
reporter of the latest information in this case, which has
not been anything I've ever seen before.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He has been the source and has let you know.
I mean, I don't know if he insisted on it,
but how close he is to this guy, to this
story and what it means to him personally. Now we
had at that point. Once he showed up, it was
around eight o'clock Eastern time that he sat down, and
he was at Fox and Friends in the studio here
in New York. He had been here with the nine
eleven commemorations over at Yankee Stadium last night. You could
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tell he was comfortable. He was sitting down, He had
better energy, looked like he got a little rest, but
he was comfortable. They were trying to get information from
him about the shooting, and he was on for an hour.
He tried, They tried and tried, and he just seemed
like he didn't have a lot of information, and he
was almost tiptoeing around. So maybe he didn't have a
lot of details, but it didn't seem like he was
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that sure in that moment.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It's true, but it is funny you mentioned, and it's
true you said it when we were watching. Look how
much different he looks than he did twenty four hours
ago when we saw him at the Pentagon. He looked defeated,
he looked exhausted, he looked sad, he looked he didn't
look good. And today it was like a new Trump
had emerged. And perhaps it is because he knew and
(03:50):
he actually got sleep last night because he knew the
man responsible for murdering Charlie Kirk, in his opinion, was
now apprehended behind bars and justice was going to be served,
and that might have allowed him a good night's rest, so.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
He was so Yes, he probably did get word last night.
But again most of us went to bed not knowing
they had this person in custody. This would have been
after midnight really on the East coast, correct time this
took place. So the President's there on Fox and Friends
going on for an hour about a wide range of
all kinds of stuff. Now, meantime, there was a press
conference that was scheduled in Utah for nine am Eastern time.
(04:26):
So again with the timing, the President sits down with
Fox and Friends Live at eight am Eastern press conference
with an update about the shooting supposed to be at
nine am Eastern and romes that didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, In fact, you said, ain't no way this press
conference is happening when they say it's happening because President
Trump is still on Fox and Friends and so I'm
sure that well, we can only guess that that is
part of the reason why we initially got a thirty
minute delay around nine ten, and then they didn't actually
start talking until after just after ten sorry, ten am
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Eastern time, so a full hour behind schedule and change.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And once they started talking, these were the new details
we got. Now, we did hear from the Utah governor
or Governor Cox out there and also FBI Director Cash
Pattel was at the press conference. But all the questions
about how they got this guy, why it was so
important with the video and the pictures and everything that
went out, So this is how they say it went down.
It was the family wasn't the public. They say they
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have gotten eleven thousand leads having to do with this case,
they have to track them all down, But in fact
it was the family members, in particular now Robes reportedly
the father of the suspect who had gotten suspicious talk
to his son about it. And this is where I
think Governor Cox used the word confessed. That the suspect
(05:45):
either confessed or certainly implied. That's the impression that the
dad got that his son was the shooter.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I just put myself in that position and cannot even
imagine because obviously we have heard for now two days
in a row that one hundred percent law enforcement will
be seeking the death penalty in this case.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
So what do you do as a father? You have your.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Son, you're suspicious, You confront him, he confesses in some way,
form or fashion to you, and then you're actually having
to now say, do I do the right thing? But
in doing the right thing, I am essentially killing my son.
And from what we gathered from the press conference, the
father reached out to a family pastor for help, and
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that actually makes a lot of sense. I can absolutely
understand how that would be the next phone call, the
first phone call probably wouldn't be to police. It would
be to get counseled, and maybe even spiritual or religious counsel.
Because what an unbelievable position to be in as a
parent who loves their child no matter what they do
or did.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's incredible you think maybe your first call would be
to a lawyer, but it just tells you something, maybe
about this community, this family, and maybe just how torn
to your point Because you asked me that question, I
hadn't considered You're yeah, you called.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You are sentencing your.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Child to death if you call the police and needing
spiritual counsel makes sense.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Wow, I just that has got to be such a
tough position.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But in fact, so through that reach out to the pastor,
I believe it was did you gather that the pastor
then called police?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Because is there a duty at that point or is there?
I mean, I know priests have confidentiality, so I don't
know how it works in other religions.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
If there's a.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Legal understanding that you don't have to you aren't forced
to contact police. I know priests and therapists perhaps are
in that situation. But if you think there's a threat,
to anyone else's life. I don't actually know the law
on this, but the pastor, for whatever reason, and perhaps
even with the father's blessing, we don't know, the pastor
reached out contacted authorities and that is how this young
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man twenty two years old, Tyler Robinson, was handed over
to authorities.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
We should mention the authorities say that don't expect so
as you were pointing out their ropes, like what the
rules are as far as the pastor goes, but what
are the rules when it comes to the dad as well?
What he's supposed to do and obligated to do, isn't
it at that point if you suspect or if you
certainly know you're aiding in a bedding.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Correct, that's that point correct? But they did say it didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They didn't think as of now where the investigation was,
that there would be any arrest, including a roommate of
Tyler Robinson who had some information as well that we
learned about during this press conference as well. But we
did get some interesting details, including a recent family dinner
where they described hearing Tyler Robinson mentioning that Charlie Kirk
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was coming to a campus and this was about three
and a half four hour drive. I believe they mentioned
Saint George's nearby. I've actually been to Saint George. It
is quite a distance from Provo or Salt Lake City,
from Versus. It's the southernmost tip to the west of the.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
State, so it's southwest corner.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
It is in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
To be honest with you, I actually was doing a
story on the FLDS and they are in a very
remote area of Utah, right along the border of Arizona.
And this is exactly where he is from that area
Washington County, and Saint George is the seat of that county,
so it was quite some distance. But he mentioned that
Charlie Kirk would be at the school and that he
didn't like him. That's as far as we heard in
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terms of his opinion on Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And to say that again from family members who obviously
the police have been talking to quite extensively, but they
were giving just little nuggets, little insights that say he
has become this family member of there's Tyler Robinson more
political in recent years. What does that mean, we don't know,
But that was the extent of the insight at least
roads we got from his personality and why he might
(09:45):
have been upset. But again, the family member, at least
what they told us today, the family members that he
didn't like him, didn't like things he said, but nothing
at least they released today rose to the level of
thinking this guy was radical.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Where you would be concerned that your son or your
family member do something extreme or take matters into their
own hands.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
We always see the warning signs, and then that today
at least they have not suggested that family members failed
to act because they saw something that was alarming.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Correct, and when they did put two and two together
and when they did confront him, they ultimately did do
the right thing, and that was noted and that had
to be so difficult.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And the roommate messages you were talking about as well,
the roommate he had had sent the roommate some messages
in the roommate had no problem showing the police the messages,
and apparently they had specific references to needing to pick
up a rifle, where the rifle was going to be,
what it was.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Wrapped in, wrapped in a dark towel.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And described everything in locations perfectly. If that's not guilt
I don't know which.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, it's pretty undeniable and irrefutable. And the roommate showed
it all to police and there was apparently, yeah, some
chat and some chat group where he was being very specific.
And it turns out that is exactly where police did
find this rifle and a key part.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Of this investigation to keep part of this rifle, this
weapon has to do with the shell casings and the bullets.
They had writings on them. And as soon as we
first heard about this, I think a day or so ago, Robes,
we immediately started to think about the United Healthcare shooting
here in New York, where he had I can't.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Remember, Luigi mag what did they write on I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I can't remember either, but it was very specific to
the crime he committed in his anger at insurance companies.
It was, you know what, I have to come up
with it, but it certainly linked him to the crime
and spoke to the motive behind it.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
But folks stay here because authorities did share with us
what the casings had written on them in this case,
and we almost fell out of our seats because one
of the messages on one of the shell casings happens
to be a message that's in one of my absolute
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favorite songs. And all right, we're folks backs now here
on Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
We got them. Is how they.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Started the press conference today, the authorities out in Utah
today saying yes, it's a short time ago before we
started recording here, that they have in fact found the
person responsible for Charlie Kirk's death. He has twenty two
year old Tyler Robinson of Utah. He is in custody now.
A family member helped facilitate his arrest and Robes who
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were just talking about and it's a big part of
this investigation that were messages on the casings, on the
bullets that were found with this weapon near the weapon,
and when we first heard about a couple of days
ago we first thought about the United Healthcare killing. There
were writings on those bullets. You found it, and we
couldn't come up with it off the top of our heads.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But it's familiar because it makes you think that you know,
you don't we don't know this, but it makes you think,
you know. We talk about copycats all the time, people
ideas from other killers and other shooters, and you wonder
if Tyler Robinson saw what Luigi Mangioni did and engraved
his bullets and maybe decided to do the same thing.
He might have been inspired by him, because it is
kind of early similar.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Have you heard of this before?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is this a thing that assassins.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Or killers do? I?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I The first time I ever heard of it was
with Luigimanngioni. I've so, okay, maybe that's what it is.
So we did find the words that were on the
bullet casings in the killing of the United CEO Healthcare
CEO was deny, depose, and defend. And the reason why
they were we have all conjectured that those were the
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engravings on the bullets is it was a reference to
a book about the insurance company and that is what
they do when they are forced to are they've been sued,
or they need someone wants money from them to pay
for a life saving surgery, et cetera. That this is
what the insurance companies do. They deny it, they depose people,
and then they just defend themselves. They're not about actually
serving people and helping people. So it seemed to be
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a direct link to his motive that he was targeting
this CEO of United Healthcare because he was angry at
the insurance company.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So we had messages on these bullets and these casings
as well. He reeled off a lot. I couldn't make
out a lot of what he was saying, but at
least included the ones we could.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yes, because I was the same, I was like, wait,
what did he just say? So the one that really
stood out was hey, fascist catch that's very scary. So
that speaks very clearly to motive. Most people can connect
those dots. And then this one kind of threw me,
but it sounded like the governor said that on one
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of the bullet casings was if you read this, you
are gay.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Lmao, laughing my ass off.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Don't really like it's I don't know if maybe he
thinks that Charlie Kirk would have been mortified if someone
thought he was gay given his religion. I don't know,
some sort of a slur like, oh see, I don't
know that.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
That's a tough one to try to dissect or interpret.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And the governor, who was really in these all, he said,
I am not going to He said, leave it to
you all to try to interpret. So there they didn't
give us much to go on here, but it was
they were all like they were a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It was.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
The other one was just defend deposed and whatever the denial. Yeah,
those are just simple phrase. These a like longer phrases.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And I took some time.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, I couldn't make out what he was saying, but
they were a lot. Did he say they were on
the gun as well?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He said, he said in that I remember, Okay, so
I don't remember that specifically.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But then the one that got us rogues and we've
spent I mean, I've been listening to this song for
a long long time. There are so many beautiful versions
of it. We were in Rome last summer and on
our last night, we sat at a restaurant right behind
us when the church steps this song was being belted
out by a woman live, and I just went crazy.
The song and the engravings it said on the casing.
(16:03):
According to the governor, oh bella chow, bella chow, bella
chow chow chow. He said, it said all of that,
not just bella chow. Like the chorus of this very
popular and beautiful song.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
We heard that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
We were sitting here like, what the actual hell.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
We looked at each other and I actually think both
of our jaws dropped because we have loved that song
for a year now after having visited Rome. You play
it probably at least once a week just to get
the mood up when we are just whatever, getting ready
to go somewhere, just to kind of create the energy,
and we sing it and we laugh and sa Bean
loves it too, So just of all the things to
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be on the engraving, to have it be that.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And then we did some.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Research on it, and look, I had no idea the
history of this song, but it actually does have quite
a bit of history. And it's a song of revolution.
It's a song of rising up. It's a song of
new beginning and resistance. Resistance specifically, it was certainly used
during World War Two among the Italians, but it originated
among rice workers, female rice workers in Italy, who they
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believe were singing to kind of say goodbye to their youth, goodbye,
you know, goodbye beautiful it literally, that's how it translates,
And so it was, and it just was adopted in
the Second World War as a song of resistance.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But the story you're telling me about I didn't remember
from COVID.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So if you recall where COVID hit northern Italy so
so horribly, and so people were in the windows singing.
Do you remember all those videos and images of all
the Italians that would just lean out of their windows
and they'd start singing. That was one of the songs
that carried a lot of Italians who were sequestered and
stuck in their small apartments. They would lean out of
their windows and sing Bellachow, bellachow, bella chow chow chow.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
If anybody don't, you would know as soon as you
hear it. It's almost it's one of those things. It's
almost unmistakable.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Dun d d d.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It feels celebratory.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It it's a wonderful song. How those words end up
on the casing of a bullet miant for Charlie Kirk
is something I would love to get answered.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So there is one other inscription. I just found it
because this is the one we I couldn't catch it
to write it down.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
It was so bizarre.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But I don't know if any one of you listening
can have any idea what this might mean. But some
one of the casings said notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The internet meme phrase, what's this to explain it's some
internet meme situation.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You all forgive us notices.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I guess we're old people.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We don't know when you knocked this out for right now.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, and the other thing with the hay fascist catch,
they said it was followed by an arrow symbol up,
a right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. So
this is like hieroglyphics to me. I don't know what
any of that means. So it's okay, I'm saying, oh
w references and potocon and what's this denotes cuteness or curiosity?
(19:03):
It's like a gamer thing that that. So who knows?
And I'm sure it'll be dissected for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And some of the things we heard. We looked at you,
I think you said, what is he twelve? Like it
seemed like very child gay.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Things seemed really like lmao, like that seemed incredibly childish
and juvenile. And yeah, I just didn't it didn't. I
didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I didn't understand as well. And look, I know he
was having a moment. And maybe you'll maybe you were
moved by it, touched by.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
It, or confused by it, or maybe you didn't think
anything of it at all. But the governor going to
Cox out there wanted to take a moment and he look, it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Was, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
He wanted to He had something on his mind he
wanted to say, and he took which I think were
at least ten but maybe fifteen minutes, and almost wanted
to do an address to the nation and say a
number of things in that moment.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It did feel like it went a little long.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I don't again, in moments like this, you don't want
to criticize somebody for what they're going through, the paying
what he's helping us state through and those students through.
That's a lot. But he did going for quite a bit.
But something he said that had our ears perked up,
and I was curious about it.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Ropes.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
He said he had the hope that this wouldn't be
one of theirs. And when you said, when he said it,
before he even finished the next part, you said the
thing he was about to address next, and you're like, what,
it's better if if somebody.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Else, if it's somebody from Colorado, if it's somebody from Missouri,
that that would be better.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I think the issue I took with that, and look.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Again, I do want to give him grace in the
sense that he has been up. He said he slept
for ninety minutes in the last thirty three hours. Anyone
who's had sleep deprivation knows you're not firing on all cylinders.
And I'm not suggesting that he didn't know what he
was saying, but I think if maybe he thought it through.
The problem with that is, isn't that the issue tribalism
us versus them? We wanted it to not be someone
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from Utah because then it wouldn't stain our state. No,
we're all humans, We're all Americans. Isn't that the point
we're making. It shouldn't be Republicans versus Democrats, utah ins
versus New Yorkers like he actually fed into the exact
storyline he was trying to dissolve by saying we should
all unite and talk through things and work together, and
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violence isn't the option all. But then he completely went
straight to tribalism by saying, I was praying that it
wasn't one of us, and sadly my prayers weren't answered
because it turns out it was one of us.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
No, it's all of us humans. People find even Americans.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I just I was scratching my head because I maybe
he just didn't realize that he was literally actually feeding
into a narrative.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
He was trying to tell us all to rise above, and.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We can't help.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But and this was the best point, Robes, And that
was a great one to make to end on here
hoping he wasn't one of us.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
He is one of us.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
He's one of ours. He's one of all of ours.
Where did we in New York fail some kid in Utah?
I don't know, but we're all a part of this mess.
And whatever created this young man who felt he had
to do what he did, we want to dismiss and
say he's sick, he's all these things. The act was evil,
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But what is he?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I wonder? The act was evil?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Can we ever separate the act from the actor and
realize that he is an American, a human being. He
is somebody that we failed somewhere and we got to
stop creating those type of Americans. And so that was
tough to you. We did not discuss this ahead of time,
But to your point, he made a fifteen minute speech
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about us all coming together and saying, damn, he ain't
one of us, he ain't one of ours.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
It's a very good point, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I think the other takeaway for me, I know so
many of us feel helpless, not just with this story,
but with so many of these stories of shooters, and
you know, the red sign, the red flags and the
warning signs we missed. I think where I am right now,
all individually that I feel like I can do today,
(23:23):
right now, is to be tolerant, To be more tolerant
when someone says something I don't like, when someone believes
something I don't agree with, or someone actually I vehemently oppose,
to take a beat, to be tolerant, to keep my
mind open, to not jump to assumptions or judgments. And
I think individually, we can all do that, and we
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can all take that on as a mission and something
that we practice daily. And kids are kids, Younger folks
are watching us, and what we do and what we
say matters, and that's where our power lies.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, folks, there will be plenty more updates. We will
bring them to you. We've been hopping on in front
of these microphones. Uh an awful lot. It seems as
weak with a lot of updates. We appreciate you always
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Speaker 2 (24:22):
Uh, they'll come right to you.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But as always, folks, we appreciate you listening to us.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Premier Robot come TJ. Holmes, Talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
M
Hey, folks, it is Friday, September twelfth, and it took
thirty three hours over three days, but they got the
guy who they say shot and killed Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The headline is that he was arrested last night ten
o'clock local time in Utah. But is a twenty two
year old man from Utah and his name is Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And Tyler Robinson was brought into custody by members of
his own family, a family friend also involved in One
of his friends as well also gave information to police.
So this was a matter of family members recognizing him,
finding some sort of similarities to what they were seeing
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on the news and what they were hearing from him,
and put two and two together, and according to authorities,
he confessed to his family that he in fact was
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And people are trying to piece together right now as
much as they can about Tyler Robinson, who he is,
where he's from, what his ideology might have been, and
what his motives might be. Right now, all police are
saying is that this is the guy. They are sure
this is the guy. They don't expect any other arrests
to be made. They don't believe anyone else was responsible,
but they did not speculate, at least at this point
about a potential motive. Now Robes, this was an interesting
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morning because we got up and did our regular daily
news podcast Morning Run. Still no one had been caught
by the time we finished. By the time we get
done with that, we see Donald Trump show up on
Fox and Friends and made himself comfortable.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That's right, so you said.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
When we woke up and we recorded Morning Run, no
one had been arrested as far as we knew. The
truth is someone had been arrested. And yes, President Trump
announced it to the world on Fox and Friends, and
that is how we found out. And he wasn't even
one hundred percent. He used words like he was fairly certain,
like it wasn't. So we were still waiting for the
(02:01):
official word, even though he did say that it looked
like they had their guy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And but at that point it was everywhere and every
network had picked it up. You, I'm sure you all
got the breaking news or learns, and all of them
had to say this. Trump says that the shooter has
been caught.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I noticed at the press conference when we finally did
get word from officials. They said, you may have heard
that Trump reported. It's almost as if in this story,
from the moment that we found out Charlie Kirk had died,
it was from Trump we found out there was someone
under arrest.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
From Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He has been the spokesperson, so to speak, and the
reporter of the latest information in this case, which has
not been anything I've ever seen before.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He has been the source and has let you know.
I mean, I don't know if he insisted on it,
but how close he is to this guy, to this
story and what it means to him personally. Now we
had at that point. Once he showed up, it was
around eight o'clock Eastern time that he sat down, and
he was at Fox and Friends in the studio here
in New York. He had been here with the nine
eleven commemorations over at Yankee Stadium last night. You could
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tell he was comfortable. He was sitting down, He had
better energy, looked like he got a little rest, but
he was comfortable. They were trying to get information from
him about the shooting, and he was on for an hour.
He tried, They tried and tried, and he just seemed
like he didn't have a lot of information, and he
was almost tiptoeing around. So maybe he didn't have a
lot of details, but it didn't seem like he was
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that sure in that moment.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It's true, but it is funny you mentioned, and it's
true you said it when we were watching. Look how
much different he looks than he did twenty four hours
ago when we saw him at the Pentagon. He looked defeated,
he looked exhausted, he looked sad, he looked he didn't
look good. And today it was like a new Trump
had emerged. And perhaps it is because he knew and
(03:50):
he actually got sleep last night because he knew the
man responsible for murdering Charlie Kirk, in his opinion, was
now apprehended behind bars and justice was going to be served,
and that might have allowed him a good night's rest, so.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
He was so Yes, he probably did get word last night.
But again most of us went to bed not knowing
they had this person in custody. This would have been
after midnight really on the East coast, correct time this
took place. So the President's there on Fox and Friends
going on for an hour about a wide range of
all kinds of stuff. Now, meantime, there was a press
conference that was scheduled in Utah for nine am Eastern time.
(04:26):
So again with the timing, the President sits down with
Fox and Friends Live at eight am Eastern press conference
with an update about the shooting supposed to be at
nine am Eastern and romes that didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, In fact, you said, ain't no way this press
conference is happening when they say it's happening because President
Trump is still on Fox and Friends and so I'm
sure that well, we can only guess that that is
part of the reason why we initially got a thirty
minute delay around nine ten, and then they didn't actually
start talking until after just after ten sorry, ten am
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Eastern time, so a full hour behind schedule and change.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And once they started talking, these were the new details
we got. Now, we did hear from the Utah governor
or Governor Cox out there and also FBI Director Cash
Pattel was at the press conference. But all the questions
about how they got this guy, why it was so
important with the video and the pictures and everything that
went out, So this is how they say it went down.
It was the family wasn't the public. They say they
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have gotten eleven thousand leads having to do with this case,
they have to track them all down, But in fact
it was the family members, in particular now Robes reportedly
the father of the suspect who had gotten suspicious talk
to his son about it. And this is where I
think Governor Cox used the word confessed. That the suspect
(05:45):
either confessed or certainly implied. That's the impression that the
dad got that his son was the shooter.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I just put myself in that position and cannot even
imagine because obviously we have heard for now two days
in a row that one hundred percent law enforcement will
be seeking the death penalty in this case.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
So what do you do as a father? You have your.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Son, you're suspicious, You confront him, he confesses in some way,
form or fashion to you, and then you're actually having
to now say, do I do the right thing? But
in doing the right thing, I am essentially killing my son.
And from what we gathered from the press conference, the
father reached out to a family pastor for help, and
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that actually makes a lot of sense. I can absolutely
understand how that would be the next phone call, the
first phone call probably wouldn't be to police. It would
be to get counseled, and maybe even spiritual or religious counsel.
Because what an unbelievable position to be in as a
parent who loves their child no matter what they do
or did.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's incredible you think maybe your first call would be
to a lawyer, but it just tells you something, maybe
about this community, this family, and maybe just how torn
to your point Because you asked me that question, I
hadn't considered You're yeah, you called.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You are sentencing your.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Child to death if you call the police and needing
spiritual counsel makes sense.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Wow, I just that has got to be such a
tough position.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But in fact, so through that reach out to the pastor,
I believe it was did you gather that the pastor
then called police?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Because is there a duty at that point or is there?
I mean, I know priests have confidentiality, so I don't
know how it works in other religions.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
If there's a.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Legal understanding that you don't have to you aren't forced
to contact police. I know priests and therapists perhaps are
in that situation. But if you think there's a threat,
to anyone else's life. I don't actually know the law
on this, but the pastor, for whatever reason, and perhaps
even with the father's blessing, we don't know, the pastor
reached out contacted authorities and that is how this young
(07:52):
man twenty two years old, Tyler Robinson, was handed over
to authorities.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
We should mention the authorities say that don't expect so
as you were pointing out their ropes, like what the
rules are as far as the pastor goes, but what
are the rules when it comes to the dad as well?
What he's supposed to do and obligated to do, isn't
it at that point if you suspect or if you
certainly know you're aiding in a bedding.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Correct, that's that point correct? But they did say it didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They didn't think as of now where the investigation was,
that there would be any arrest, including a roommate of
Tyler Robinson who had some information as well that we
learned about during this press conference as well. But we
did get some interesting details, including a recent family dinner
where they described hearing Tyler Robinson mentioning that Charlie Kirk
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was coming to a campus and this was about three
and a half four hour drive. I believe they mentioned
Saint George's nearby. I've actually been to Saint George. It
is quite a distance from Provo or Salt Lake City,
from Versus. It's the southernmost tip to the west of the.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
State, so it's southwest corner.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
It is in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
To be honest with you, I actually was doing a
story on the FLDS and they are in a very
remote area of Utah, right along the border of Arizona.
And this is exactly where he is from that area
Washington County, and Saint George is the seat of that county,
so it was quite some distance. But he mentioned that
Charlie Kirk would be at the school and that he
didn't like him. That's as far as we heard in
(09:21):
terms of his opinion on Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And to say that again from family members who obviously
the police have been talking to quite extensively, but they
were giving just little nuggets, little insights that say he
has become this family member of there's Tyler Robinson more
political in recent years. What does that mean, we don't know,
But that was the extent of the insight at least
roads we got from his personality and why he might
(09:45):
have been upset. But again, the family member, at least
what they told us today, the family members that he
didn't like him, didn't like things he said, but nothing
at least they released today rose to the level of
thinking this guy was radical.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Where you would be concerned that your son or your
family member do something extreme or take matters into their
own hands.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
We always see the warning signs, and then that today
at least they have not suggested that family members failed
to act because they saw something that was alarming.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Correct, and when they did put two and two together
and when they did confront him, they ultimately did do
the right thing, and that was noted and that had
to be so difficult.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And the roommate messages you were talking about as well,
the roommate he had had sent the roommate some messages
in the roommate had no problem showing the police the messages,
and apparently they had specific references to needing to pick
up a rifle, where the rifle was going to be,
what it was.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Wrapped in, wrapped in a dark towel.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And described everything in locations perfectly. If that's not guilt
I don't know which.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, it's pretty undeniable and irrefutable. And the roommate showed
it all to police and there was apparently, yeah, some
chat and some chat group where he was being very specific.
And it turns out that is exactly where police did
find this rifle and a key part.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Of this investigation to keep part of this rifle, this
weapon has to do with the shell casings and the bullets.
They had writings on them. And as soon as we
first heard about this, I think a day or so ago, Robes,
we immediately started to think about the United Healthcare shooting
here in New York, where he had I can't.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Remember, Luigi mag what did they write on I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I can't remember either, but it was very specific to
the crime he committed in his anger at insurance companies.
It was, you know what, I have to come up
with it, but it certainly linked him to the crime
and spoke to the motive behind it.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
But folks stay here because authorities did share with us
what the casings had written on them in this case,
and we almost fell out of our seats because one
of the messages on one of the shell casings happens
to be a message that's in one of my absolute
(12:00):
favorite songs. And all right, we're folks backs now here
on Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
We got them. Is how they.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Started the press conference today, the authorities out in Utah
today saying yes, it's a short time ago before we
started recording here, that they have in fact found the
person responsible for Charlie Kirk's death. He has twenty two
year old Tyler Robinson of Utah. He is in custody now.
A family member helped facilitate his arrest and Robes who
(12:37):
were just talking about and it's a big part of
this investigation that were messages on the casings, on the
bullets that were found with this weapon near the weapon,
and when we first heard about a couple of days
ago we first thought about the United Healthcare killing. There
were writings on those bullets. You found it, and we
couldn't come up with it off the top of our heads.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But it's familiar because it makes you think that you know,
you don't we don't know this, but it makes you think,
you know. We talk about copycats all the time, people
ideas from other killers and other shooters, and you wonder
if Tyler Robinson saw what Luigi Mangioni did and engraved
his bullets and maybe decided to do the same thing.
He might have been inspired by him, because it is
kind of early similar.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Have you heard of this before?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is this a thing that assassins.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Or killers do? I?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I The first time I ever heard of it was
with Luigimanngioni. I've so, okay, maybe that's what it is.
So we did find the words that were on the
bullet casings in the killing of the United CEO Healthcare
CEO was deny, depose, and defend. And the reason why
they were we have all conjectured that those were the
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engravings on the bullets is it was a reference to
a book about the insurance company and that is what
they do when they are forced to are they've been sued,
or they need someone wants money from them to pay
for a life saving surgery, et cetera. That this is
what the insurance companies do. They deny it, they depose people,
and then they just defend themselves. They're not about actually
serving people and helping people. So it seemed to be
(14:02):
a direct link to his motive that he was targeting
this CEO of United Healthcare because he was angry at
the insurance company.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So we had messages on these bullets and these casings
as well. He reeled off a lot. I couldn't make
out a lot of what he was saying, but at
least included the ones we could.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yes, because I was the same, I was like, wait,
what did he just say? So the one that really
stood out was hey, fascist catch that's very scary. So
that speaks very clearly to motive. Most people can connect
those dots. And then this one kind of threw me,
but it sounded like the governor said that on one
(14:44):
of the bullet casings was if you read this, you
are gay.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Lmao, laughing my ass off.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Don't really like it's I don't know if maybe he
thinks that Charlie Kirk would have been mortified if someone
thought he was gay given his religion. I don't know,
some sort of a slur like, oh see, I don't
know that.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
That's a tough one to try to dissect or interpret.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And the governor, who was really in these all, he said,
I am not going to He said, leave it to
you all to try to interpret. So there they didn't
give us much to go on here, but it was
they were all like they were a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It was.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
The other one was just defend deposed and whatever the denial. Yeah,
those are just simple phrase. These a like longer phrases.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And I took some time.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, I couldn't make out what he was saying, but
they were a lot. Did he say they were on
the gun as well?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He said, he said in that I remember, Okay, so
I don't remember that specifically.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But then the one that got us rogues and we've
spent I mean, I've been listening to this song for
a long long time. There are so many beautiful versions
of it. We were in Rome last summer and on
our last night, we sat at a restaurant right behind
us when the church steps this song was being belted
out by a woman live, and I just went crazy.
The song and the engravings it said on the casing.
(16:03):
According to the governor, oh bella chow, bella chow, bella
chow chow chow. He said, it said all of that,
not just bella chow. Like the chorus of this very
popular and beautiful song.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
We heard that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
We were sitting here like, what the actual hell.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
We looked at each other and I actually think both
of our jaws dropped because we have loved that song
for a year now after having visited Rome. You play
it probably at least once a week just to get
the mood up when we are just whatever, getting ready
to go somewhere, just to kind of create the energy,
and we sing it and we laugh and sa Bean
loves it too, So just of all the things to
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be on the engraving, to have it be that.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And then we did some.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Research on it, and look, I had no idea the
history of this song, but it actually does have quite
a bit of history. And it's a song of revolution.
It's a song of rising up. It's a song of
new beginning and resistance. Resistance specifically, it was certainly used
during World War Two among the Italians, but it originated
among rice workers, female rice workers in Italy, who they
(17:05):
believe were singing to kind of say goodbye to their youth, goodbye,
you know, goodbye beautiful it literally, that's how it translates,
And so it was, and it just was adopted in
the Second World War as a song of resistance.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But the story you're telling me about I didn't remember
from COVID.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So if you recall where COVID hit northern Italy so
so horribly, and so people were in the windows singing.
Do you remember all those videos and images of all
the Italians that would just lean out of their windows
and they'd start singing. That was one of the songs
that carried a lot of Italians who were sequestered and
stuck in their small apartments. They would lean out of
their windows and sing Bellachow, bellachow, bella chow chow chow.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
If anybody don't, you would know as soon as you
hear it. It's almost it's one of those things. It's
almost unmistakable.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Dun d d d.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It feels celebratory.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It it's a wonderful song. How those words end up
on the casing of a bullet miant for Charlie Kirk
is something I would love to get answered.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So there is one other inscription. I just found it
because this is the one we I couldn't catch it
to write it down.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
It was so bizarre.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But I don't know if any one of you listening
can have any idea what this might mean. But some
one of the casings said notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The internet meme phrase, what's this to explain it's some
internet meme situation.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You all forgive us notices.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I guess we're old people.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We don't know when you knocked this out for right now.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, and the other thing with the hay fascist catch,
they said it was followed by an arrow symbol up,
a right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. So
this is like hieroglyphics to me. I don't know what
any of that means. So it's okay, I'm saying, oh
w references and potocon and what's this denotes cuteness or curiosity?
(19:03):
It's like a gamer thing that that. So who knows?
And I'm sure it'll be dissected for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And some of the things we heard. We looked at you,
I think you said, what is he twelve? Like it
seemed like very child gay.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Things seemed really like lmao, like that seemed incredibly childish
and juvenile. And yeah, I just didn't it didn't. I
didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I didn't understand as well. And look, I know he
was having a moment. And maybe you'll maybe you were
moved by it, touched by.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
It, or confused by it, or maybe you didn't think
anything of it at all. But the governor going to
Cox out there wanted to take a moment and he look, it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Was, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
He wanted to He had something on his mind he
wanted to say, and he took which I think were
at least ten but maybe fifteen minutes, and almost wanted
to do an address to the nation and say a
number of things in that moment.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It did feel like it went a little long.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I don't again, in moments like this, you don't want
to criticize somebody for what they're going through, the paying
what he's helping us state through and those students through.
That's a lot. But he did going for quite a bit.
But something he said that had our ears perked up,
and I was curious about it.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Ropes.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
He said he had the hope that this wouldn't be
one of theirs. And when you said, when he said it,
before he even finished the next part, you said the
thing he was about to address next, and you're like, what,
it's better if if somebody.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Else, if it's somebody from Colorado, if it's somebody from Missouri,
that that would be better.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I think the issue I took with that, and look.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Again, I do want to give him grace in the
sense that he has been up. He said he slept
for ninety minutes in the last thirty three hours. Anyone
who's had sleep deprivation knows you're not firing on all cylinders.
And I'm not suggesting that he didn't know what he
was saying, but I think if maybe he thought it through.
The problem with that is, isn't that the issue tribalism
us versus them? We wanted it to not be someone
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from Utah because then it wouldn't stain our state. No,
we're all humans, We're all Americans. Isn't that the point
we're making. It shouldn't be Republicans versus Democrats, utah ins
versus New Yorkers like he actually fed into the exact
storyline he was trying to dissolve by saying we should
all unite and talk through things and work together, and
(21:23):
violence isn't the option all. But then he completely went
straight to tribalism by saying, I was praying that it
wasn't one of us, and sadly my prayers weren't answered
because it turns out it was one of us.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
No, it's all of us humans. People find even Americans.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I just I was scratching my head because I maybe
he just didn't realize that he was literally actually feeding
into a narrative.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
He was trying to tell us all to rise above, and.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We can't help.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But and this was the best point, Robes, And that
was a great one to make to end on here
hoping he wasn't one of us.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
He is one of us.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
He's one of ours. He's one of all of ours.
Where did we in New York fail some kid in Utah?
I don't know, but we're all a part of this mess.
And whatever created this young man who felt he had
to do what he did, we want to dismiss and
say he's sick, he's all these things. The act was evil,
(22:28):
But what is he?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I wonder? The act was evil?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Can we ever separate the act from the actor and
realize that he is an American, a human being. He
is somebody that we failed somewhere and we got to
stop creating those type of Americans. And so that was
tough to you. We did not discuss this ahead of time,
But to your point, he made a fifteen minute speech
(22:54):
about us all coming together and saying, damn, he ain't
one of us, he ain't one of ours.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
It's a very good point, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I think the other takeaway for me, I know so
many of us feel helpless, not just with this story,
but with so many of these stories of shooters, and
you know, the red sign, the red flags and the
warning signs we missed. I think where I am right now,
all individually that I feel like I can do today,
(23:23):
right now, is to be tolerant, To be more tolerant
when someone says something I don't like, when someone believes
something I don't agree with, or someone actually I vehemently oppose,
to take a beat, to be tolerant, to keep my
mind open, to not jump to assumptions or judgments. And
I think individually, we can all do that, and we
(23:46):
can all take that on as a mission and something
that we practice daily. And kids are kids, Younger folks
are watching us, and what we do and what we
say matters, and that's where our power lies.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, folks, there will be plenty more updates. We will
bring them to you. We've been hopping on in front
of these microphones. Uh an awful lot. It seems as
weak with a lot of updates. We appreciate you always
listening to us again. Top right button of the screen
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it says follow click on that won't have to go
chase down our new episodes.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Uh, they'll come right to you.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But as always, folks, we appreciate you listening to us.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Premier Robot come TJ. Holmes, Talk to you soon.
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