December 13, 2025 • 25 mins
That may sound harsh, but the Oscar winning actress seemed concerned and even sympathetic for young actors and other women who are chasing perfection. In an interview released this week, Winslet talks about plastic surgery, weight-loss drugs and the pressure women feel to look a certain way. Also, this week, we heard from Kelly Osbourne who lashed out at online haters for saying horrible things about her weight loss. In a now deleted post Osbourne, told her critics to “F&%ck Off."
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, the folksit is Saturday, December thirteenth, and ladies, you
have no idea of the concept of beauty. You don't
know who you are, what you want to be. That's
not me saying that, though it's one of the most accomplished,
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respected and beautiful actresses on the planet saying that with that,
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohobes. I
wasn't necessarily paraphrasing. I was almost saying it forbade him
what this particular actress is saying. But this got a
lot of attention, and quite frankly, isn't it what a
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lot of people are discussing behind the scenes in private.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, we are talking about Oscar winner Kate Winslet and
she got really real, for lack of a better word,
when she did an interview with The Times in London
and she talked about she's fifty years old now and
you can tell, and she said she has not done
one thing, no botox, no nips, no tucks, no nothing.
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And she talked about how pretty much all around her
people are starting to look the same. She doesn't even
know what people look like. She looks up and says,
oh no, not her just really making some strong statements,
but honest statements about beauty and plastic surgery and this
need for perfection.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, is it fair to say the words? I didn't
find it to be her to sound mean no, or
mean spirit in what she was saying.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Fair to say, yeah, she wasn't being mean at all.
She didn't name anyone, no.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh yeah, But I thought that was worth saying. It
didn't sound because it could sound like an old fogi
or I get with the times kind of a thing.
It wasn't. And even some of her words sounded so
and I know we have plenty of her quotes here
we were going through, but almost sounded even like a
sincere concern, even for what a lot of young women
seem to be pursuing, not just.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Young women, but women of all ages and women who
were her peers, and certainly I am among them. And
you know, when you hear her stand strong about the
beauty of aging and not putting all your worth in
your outward appearance, I can almost feel my shoulders relax.
It's important to have voices like hers, being who she
is and how she is admired to hear someone say
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that and say it's Okay, it's okay that I have wrinkles,
It's okay that I'm getting older, It's okay that maybe
I have thin lips or I don't have, you know,
amazing cheek bones, and just everyone in this like you
see the Kardashians, and that's frankly the opposite end of
the spectrum. And I think you just get sucked into
this need for perfection and then everyone starts looking alike.
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That's and She's right, it's creepy, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Can I ask you that I want? Damn I hate to,
but when you bring things up and it makes me stop,
I like to stop there and have that discussion. The
argument on the other side of Hey, I have all
these options now to improve or at least in my view,
improve how I look to make me feel better about myself.
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And what's wrong with that? You know, that argument is there.
I don't know how to counter that. Right to each
his or her own, but I mean, how do you
I'm really curious. I want to put that to you.
How do you counter what someone would say, Hey, this
is me want I want my lips to be fuller,
This makes me feel more confident. I want my hair
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to be longer. This makes me feel more confident. How
do you combat that thing I encounter that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I don't think you can, and maybe you shouldn't. I
think Kate Winslet's point is that she feels sad for
women who feel the pressure to do that, Like, deep down,
they may not want to, they may not care, but
they feel their worth is so tied up in how
they look. It's almost compulsory. And when you see everyone
doing it, everyone normalizes it in a way that it
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shouldn't feel and look. I get like, I'll be fully frank,
I absolutely do things to alter my appearance. I get botox,
I do peels, and we've joked about some of these
vampire facials, or you know, I'll do a painful laser
so that my skin texture has improved. Yes, I've done
all of that. I've never wanted to alter my appearance.
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I've just tried to prevent aging or roll back some years.
But that's still altering the natural progression of age. And
I have absolutely done that and will continue to do
so because it does make me feel more confident. But
I acknowledge that that is sad. I do acknowledge that.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wait, why do you say that even about yourself. Why
do you think that's sad?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Because my confidence shouldn't come with how I look.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's human nature that we all have.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So I'm just saying that is yes, I'm just acknowledging that.
But obviously I do value how I treat people and
how I treat myself as hopefully being the main source
of my confidence. But yes, looking a certain way does
play into how you feel about yourself. Period.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's she's being honest, But we are also have to
be honest that there is a of the scale. This
is you can't there is no balance here when we're
talking about who gets the pressure when it comes to
appearance in this country, and especially when you're talking about
folks like Kate Winslet or people who are in the
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public eye. Look, she does movies, but your local meteorologists.
To the female is under a different pressure and light
than her male counterparts. This is just the reality.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yes, you know, I think I've heard many women say
in their forties and fifties, there's nothing more invisible than
a middle aged woman. Where's your value? You know? Here?
So it just yes, it's historically been that way. So
what are middle aged women doing trying to look like
who women in their twenties and thirty Yeah, what do you?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
We do this every day, Robes when we turn on
the television, and I don't know how to say it
without it's not it's not an insult. Everybody looks the same.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They look the same.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
The you pointed this out to me and Robes, I
swear to you, in the past eighteen months, maybe I did.
I wasn't paying attention to what was going on with
the lips.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, the lips I did.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Hair extens Now I look, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Everybody looks the same and they're doing You've now pointed
out to me. Okay, look at the look at the
ends of her hair. DJ No, hair is that healthy
at the end. There's something is full at the bottom,
as there is all the time. You're showing me now
how it's layered in, so I can recognize where the
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extension starts. These are things I just okay, fine, And
it has of course it's not in a ponytail's not
gonna pull it back, Oh no, no, no, that has
to be pulled to the front over the should a
little bit. These are things I didn't know, but once
you start noticing, you're like, oh my god, everybody looks
the same. But romes, I still want to I want
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to be able to address like what's wrong with that? No, no,
we're not saying anybody's do anything wrong, but we're gonna
get to Kate Winsley's quotes. But Robes, I'm trying to address,
like what is if that makes someone feel better about
themselves they think that they.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Look better than I feel like if look, if you
can afford it, and it makes you feel more confident,
you know. And I think that's the argument for it,
that yes, it does build self esteem. And you know,
where's the line who hasn't had braces, who hasn't had
their teeth right, who doesn't color their hair, who doesn't
wear a makeup? You know? So we're all doing things
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to improve our appearances. Our skincare, our products, All of
that is to improve that we look. So this is yes,
taking it. It's more invasive, and it's more expensive, and
there's a lot of upkeep, but it in its idea,
it's the same. They're all the same, they're coming from
the same place, the same idea.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You could go to like some some Brits, right then
they by the same guys wear the same nice tailored suits,
cropped cuts, nice beers. Whatever. I mean. You could see
even some guys over in Brooklyn. I go to some areas,
they were in the same truck of hats and they
got the same beers. I mean, whatever, it'll start to
look the same. It's a uniform, right, But maybe that's okay.
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But Kate Wenslen again, what was the outlet she did
the interview with Other Times, the Times of London, Right, yeah, okay,
so she had some I thought very interesting things to say,
so we'll take them piece by piece here.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, she said, you do not actually know what that
person looks like, from the eyebrows, to mouth, to lashes
to hair. That young woman is scared to be herself.
What idea of perfection are people aspiring to? I blame
social media and its effect on mental health. She was
talking about how all of these young girls. She was like,
I actually don't know what anyone looks like anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Now I agree with that I've learned. I'm not going
to say nay, I have been You and Sabine actually
have shown me things in recent months of what people
I have only I know as one thing, and you
showed me what they looked like before they started going
through this whatever cosmetic transformation I couldn't you are able
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to create a new you.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yes, if you have enough money and you can have
access to the right doctors. And look, I've interviewed people
when they were sixteen, seventeen, and then you see them
ten years later and they're absolutely unrecognizable. And look they
do look. I guess like more like a Barbie doll
is the best way I could maybe put it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And I guess what's wrong with that? If that makes
them feel good and that works for them, the threat
or as the dad of a girl who is about
to turn thirteen years old, I go, oh my, oh
my god. These other folks have that influence and it's true,
right and.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
On TikTok and all of that.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And they're seeing that it works. They're seeing that it
leads to success, they're seeing that it leads to beauty.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Even though Kate Winslett speaks specifically about young actors, she
said they have become obsessed with chasing an idea of
perfection to get more likes on Instagram. It upsets me
so much. It is devastating. If a person's self esteem
is so bound up in how they look. It's frightening
and it's puzzling because I have moments when I think
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it's better when I look at actresses at events dressed
how they want, whichever shape. But then so many people
are on weight loss drugs. It's so varied. Some people
are making choices to be themselves, others do everything they
can to not be themselves. And they and do they
know what they're putting in their bodies? The disregard for
one's health is terrifying. It bothers me now more than ever.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Can I ask you about that point? What do you
think of all? I'm not sure how I feel about
it yet, the idea suggesting that people are not being themselves,
like can you not be authentic if you are altering
your appearance in some way? Right? That point in that
quote at least struck.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Me, yes, because I think we hear about it all
the time, people actually feeling like there's some something different
on the inside than they look on the outside. And
you know, you could even say, hey, I don't feel
fifty two, I feel thirty five. So I want to
look thirty five because I feel thirty five. I mean,
you could argue that's being yourself. So I know what
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she's saying, I know what she's saying that you're trying
to but we're just talking about the physical shell we
all inherited from our parents, and we didn't have any
say in how we look and how we're shaped. And
now you can, and now you can, and so maybe
so you could argue that actually going to the doctor
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and having surgery or or doing whatever you want to
do to alter your appearance is actually you being yourself.
You trying to make your outside more reflect how you
feel on the inside.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know, it's so refreshing these days. Every once in
a while you run into somebody who doesn't have makeup on,
just have the hair pulled back, who hasn't altered themselves
in some way. And there are some actors and actresses
who I actould say actresses more so, but even something
we've run into and interaction with personally, like, it's just
so refreshing. Yeah, you know, she's not doing it. It's
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so just to not even I don't want to say
age beautifully or gracefully, but to age appropriately. It's okay.
We now, I know we're all fighting it, but We're
in a business that you had a little younger, but
now we're in the plays road where even young folks
think they need to be doing something to look younger.
I know, like you're twenty five, what are you talking about?
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What your ava? Yeah, well she found a fucking gray hair,
and you get facetimedency.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Freaking out there's a gray hair. There's a gray hair.
Oh no, you know, I do think it. It does
make like you have absolutely said things like you think
Helen Mirren is gorgeous and talked about older women as
beautiful and sexy and all of that's it gives us permission,
you know, I think we think we're trying to meet
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standards of men who always want to date younger or
it seems like that, and so it's like they're trying
to yes, stay relevant, stay sexy, all of those things.
Interestingly enough, Kate Winslet mentioned Helen Mirren, Tony Kollek, Sigourney Weaver,
women like her who are trying to all your yeses
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and obviously yes, and she talked about how all of
those women are doing that very thing. And you can
add Jamie Lee Curtis to that as well, and those
are all the women you have your crushes on, your
celebrity crushes on. And that's actually really refreshing to me
to hear, because it's like none of those women did
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anything to try and look younger. They just looked great
as they are who they are.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What do you else see? I know we got several
more Kate Winslet quotes, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
She said that. She said that my favorite thing is
when your hands get old. That's life in your hands.
Some of the most beautiful women I know are over seventy.
And what upsets me is that young women have no
concept of what being beautiful actually is.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What is that? What is the concept? Right? What is
being beautiful these days? Is it different when you your
twenties and your thirties and your forties and your fifties
and your sixties. It's quite possibly, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Isn't it always confidence? And isn't that is what's lacking?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's trying to change yourself period. I am telling you
right at this, you damn you nailed it. Confidence is
everything because we get told that. We've been told for
so long with whatever magazine cover, what beauty is supposed
to be. It's supposed to be this age, it's supposed
to be this eye color, this hair color, this hair length,
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this body weight and all these things. And the most
beautiful woman you are going to see in New York
is in Sondra Prok right now, pushing a double stroller
with some juicy sweats on and how Yankee had on.
That's the most beautiful woman in New York right now. Yeah,
And you're right, it really is that thing. It's a
matter of what we believe beauty is. And too many
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robes of our young women are buying into this other
concept of what beauty.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Is, yep, And that they need to have the full
lips and they have to be this weight and wear
this size because I didn't realize this. King Winslet said that,
and she said this on a podcast earlier, that viewers
used to mock her weight with the film's ending when
Jack couldn't get on the on the float and they
said it was because she weighed too much. She said
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it apparently I was too fat. Why were they so
mean to me? They were so mean? She's like, I'm
a young woman, my body is changing, I'm figuring it out.
I'm deeply insecure. I'm terrified. Don't make this any harder
than it already. Is that bullying and actually borderline abuse it.
But she talked just about how her weight had had
such an impact on her as a young actress, and
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that's why she actually feels like it's so important to
speak out about being who you are, embracing who you
are and not putting your value on your outward appearance.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, stay here more from Kate Winsley. But also she
wasn't the only woman in Hollywood who was turning heads
and also getting a lot of attention. So for what
she was, well not just for what she looked like,
but what I guess Robes, given who her dad is,
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we shouldn't be surprised that she reacted and pushed back
at the public the way she did. Some of you
all might already guess we was talking about Kelly Osbourne.
Stay here, we'll explain, all right, folks, We continue here
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on Amy and TJ. We were talking about as I was
bumbling through the tea's there about Kelly Osbourne. Yeah, logro
she has gone through Like my first image when you
think about Kelly Osborne is the reality show. Yeah, we
remember what she looked like, she was a teenager, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh years old, going through a bunch of changes, of
those hormonal changes, and she was on the look I
don't even want to but she was mocked oftentimes for
being overweight, and she felt the pressure of that for
most of her life. She talked about how she had
to deal with all of the online haters who said
she weighed too much. Poor thing, fifteen years old. Her
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dad's Ozzy Osbourne, and now she's getting mocked for how
she looks and what her body looks like at a
time where it's changing.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I'm right at the time, and please help me here.
The time that the show was a hit, was it
at the same time that Twitter and social media were huge,
or that was a little before.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think it was right around the same time. I
have to go back and look at the exact years,
but I think they overlapped for sure, when it was
starting up. It's like, you know, mid two thousands, Okay,
in for sure, yes, because I think I remember I
got my first Twitter account in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So I might have Damn, I might have been the
same year.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That would make a lot of sense. Everybody kind of
jumped on. But anyway, this week now Kelly Osborne says, well,
hold up, because now everyone is hating on her for
being too thin, and she went online to address all
the haters. She did delete the post afterwards, but of
course everyone has a screenshot out of it. And she said,
to the people who keep thinking they're being funny and
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mean by writing comments like are you ill or get
off o zempic, you don't look right. My dad just
died and I'm doing the best that I can and
the only thing I have to live for right now
is my family, and I choose to share my content
with you and share the happy side of my life,
not the miserable side of my life. So to all
those people, she said, f off. But she actually that's
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the word.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah. I mean, god, dang, come man, That's all I said.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
She was that she had to get to that point
where she put that out there.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I didn't read that fully ahead of time. That stings.
That suckses I dad aside. Why is it like, no woman,
if you're in the public and you're you're a woman,
your appearance matters. We you know. I don't know why.
Governor Hockel just came to mind, the Governor of New
York I don't see what's out there, but I'm sure
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as a politician, yes a right, Kamala Harris, Governor Hockle Like,
no matter what where you are, you're right. Pant suits?
Why do I know anything about pantsuits?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Because of Hillary Clinton? Right?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Is it always your appearance is being scrutinized? Kelly Ozma?
Why do what am I? What are we supposed to
do or say or care about what she looks like? Right?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And I don't think people realize that so many of
the celebrities they read what you write. It hurts me.
It's them. And she said, I thought this was so interesting.
She put out a she had an interview just a
short while ago, and she said, I have been a
drug addict, an alcoholic. I've been a complete mess, disrespectful
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to people, horrible. But I got more shit for being
fat than I did for anything else. It's insane. And
then she said, you will never read an article about
me that hasn't got a comment about my weight. And
she said it's been just as bad now when she
was heavier as it is now that she's skinny.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh God, God bless her. I just that's I can
not imagine. And I'm not trying to make any comparison
to what women have to go through in that regard,
I have nothing to say.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
There is a tremendous amount of pressure to be thin,
a tremendous amount of pressure to stay and look young.
And if you can't do both of those things, it's
as if you are invisible, you don't matter, you have
lost value. And so yes, women will to the point
where they will go. And I have put myself through
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extreme pain to try and keep my skin looking younger.
And I ask myself sometimes I'm like, are you an
idiot right now? Like you're doing this to yourself. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I actually wrote a note here because before we left,
I wanted to and ask you to tell people. We've
talked about it. So this is not a secret what
your beauty regiment is, if you will outside of just
you know, not here at the house, but you do
certain things like the vampire thing, and there's a few
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things that you actually do that are that would be
considered beyond just you're at home routine, you know what
I mean? Yes, if you can share.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh yeah, so like in a year like this past year,
I do botox every four to five months, I get
I just finished three rounds of Morphius eight. It's just
like an intense heat laser that's supposed to shock your
like inner skin and like create your your body. Basically,
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it stimulates your own collagen making, but by injuring your skin,
like injuring your face, it hurts like hell.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
This is the one that ends up the flaky thing. Yes,
that's that one.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay, Morphius eight is the name of it. So I
that was so painful. Okay, Well I only did I
did it three times and I'm not going to do
it again for another year.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You supposed to do it once a year.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yes, and I don't think I will do it again
because it was so painful.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Was it effective?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It's it's gradual, and they say so. It's hard to know,
but they did do before and after pictures, and I
did notice a slight lift. Yes, I've done a vampire
facial where they take blood out of you, They take
your plasma out, circulate it, and then inject it back
in your face. So basically what I've done is I
have not done filler. I don't like the idea of
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plumping my face up with filler because that's when you
look different. Your cheeks and like some people look better
and they like the look. I don't want to, like
do my cheek bones or my I don't I've never
done anything to my lips. I've never But I'm just
not into changing the shape or look of my face.
I just want to preserve my I guess my face
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as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And again the vampire thing, you've only done what you
plan on continuing that.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I don't know if I noticed the difference.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, So really we're down to botox and morpheous.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, or like some sort of like a little laser
here and there, like an ipl It's like a less
painful more what's an I plan something pulse laser? They
just like it's just to tighten your skin. So I'll
do little lasers in that kind of thing to tighten
my skin. I'll keep doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Okay, So I applaud folks as we wrap up here.
I applaud Kate Wensley. I appreciate it because it did.
Nothing came off mean or hey kids, get off my
lawn kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
It came off as like a sincere concern for where
we are the thing, the way things are going, and
we have to balance that in some way with a
woman's right to do what she wants correct to her
face and her body that makes her feel good and confident.
Exactly how did you balance that? I don't know, to
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eat his or her own and we should just respect
people's decisions. Maybe that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yes, I think that should be the case, and also
recognize that it's not it's not okay to constantly comment
on a woman's appearance or body, and especially say that
it's wrong whether she's too fat or too thin. Anyway,
my heart went out to Kelly Osborne who says she's
having a hard time eating after her father died. That
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makes sense to me. When I'm grieving, when I'm upset,
I am the same way. I cannot eat. And she said,
that is literally what's happening, and she will her grief.
She's getting through it and she will get through it.
But if you would please stop commenting basically on her
way either way, and I appreciate that and respect that.
But anyway, two strong women who had some very I
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think important opinions to share with all of us. We
hope you all enjoyed listening. I mayy roback alongside TJ.
Holmes and you have thought too soon,
Hey, the folksit is Saturday, December thirteenth, and ladies, you
have no idea of the concept of beauty. You don't
know who you are, what you want to be. That's
not me saying that, though it's one of the most accomplished,
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respected and beautiful actresses on the planet saying that with that,
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohobes. I
wasn't necessarily paraphrasing. I was almost saying it forbade him
what this particular actress is saying. But this got a
lot of attention, and quite frankly, isn't it what a
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lot of people are discussing behind the scenes in private.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, we are talking about Oscar winner Kate Winslet and
she got really real, for lack of a better word,
when she did an interview with The Times in London
and she talked about she's fifty years old now and
you can tell, and she said she has not done
one thing, no botox, no nips, no tucks, no nothing.
(01:08):
And she talked about how pretty much all around her
people are starting to look the same. She doesn't even
know what people look like. She looks up and says,
oh no, not her just really making some strong statements,
but honest statements about beauty and plastic surgery and this
need for perfection.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, is it fair to say the words? I didn't
find it to be her to sound mean no, or
mean spirit in what she was saying.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Fair to say, yeah, she wasn't being mean at all.
She didn't name anyone, no.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh yeah, But I thought that was worth saying. It
didn't sound because it could sound like an old fogi
or I get with the times kind of a thing.
It wasn't. And even some of her words sounded so
and I know we have plenty of her quotes here
we were going through, but almost sounded even like a
sincere concern, even for what a lot of young women
seem to be pursuing, not just.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Young women, but women of all ages and women who
were her peers, and certainly I am among them. And
you know, when you hear her stand strong about the
beauty of aging and not putting all your worth in
your outward appearance, I can almost feel my shoulders relax.
It's important to have voices like hers, being who she
is and how she is admired to hear someone say
(02:24):
that and say it's Okay, it's okay that I have wrinkles,
It's okay that I'm getting older, It's okay that maybe
I have thin lips or I don't have, you know,
amazing cheek bones, and just everyone in this like you
see the Kardashians, and that's frankly the opposite end of
the spectrum. And I think you just get sucked into
this need for perfection and then everyone starts looking alike.
(02:45):
That's and She's right, it's creepy, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Can I ask you that I want? Damn I hate to,
but when you bring things up and it makes me stop,
I like to stop there and have that discussion. The
argument on the other side of Hey, I have all
these options now to improve or at least in my view,
improve how I look to make me feel better about myself.
(03:10):
And what's wrong with that? You know, that argument is there.
I don't know how to counter that. Right to each
his or her own, but I mean, how do you
I'm really curious. I want to put that to you.
How do you counter what someone would say, Hey, this
is me want I want my lips to be fuller,
This makes me feel more confident. I want my hair
(03:32):
to be longer. This makes me feel more confident. How
do you combat that thing I encounter that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I don't think you can, and maybe you shouldn't. I
think Kate Winslet's point is that she feels sad for
women who feel the pressure to do that, Like, deep down,
they may not want to, they may not care, but
they feel their worth is so tied up in how
they look. It's almost compulsory. And when you see everyone
doing it, everyone normalizes it in a way that it
(03:59):
shouldn't feel and look. I get like, I'll be fully frank,
I absolutely do things to alter my appearance. I get botox,
I do peels, and we've joked about some of these
vampire facials, or you know, I'll do a painful laser
so that my skin texture has improved. Yes, I've done
all of that. I've never wanted to alter my appearance.
(04:24):
I've just tried to prevent aging or roll back some years.
But that's still altering the natural progression of age. And
I have absolutely done that and will continue to do
so because it does make me feel more confident. But
I acknowledge that that is sad. I do acknowledge that.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wait, why do you say that even about yourself. Why
do you think that's sad?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Because my confidence shouldn't come with how I look.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's human nature that we all have.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So I'm just saying that is yes, I'm just acknowledging that.
But obviously I do value how I treat people and
how I treat myself as hopefully being the main source
of my confidence. But yes, looking a certain way does
play into how you feel about yourself. Period.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's she's being honest, But we are also have to
be honest that there is a of the scale. This
is you can't there is no balance here when we're
talking about who gets the pressure when it comes to
appearance in this country, and especially when you're talking about
folks like Kate Winslet or people who are in the
(05:32):
public eye. Look, she does movies, but your local meteorologists.
To the female is under a different pressure and light
than her male counterparts. This is just the reality.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yes, you know, I think I've heard many women say
in their forties and fifties, there's nothing more invisible than
a middle aged woman. Where's your value? You know? Here?
So it just yes, it's historically been that way. So
what are middle aged women doing trying to look like
who women in their twenties and thirty Yeah, what do you?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
We do this every day, Robes when we turn on
the television, and I don't know how to say it
without it's not it's not an insult. Everybody looks the same.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They look the same.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
The you pointed this out to me and Robes, I
swear to you, in the past eighteen months, maybe I did.
I wasn't paying attention to what was going on with
the lips.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, the lips I did.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Hair extens Now I look, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Everybody looks the same and they're doing You've now pointed
out to me. Okay, look at the look at the
ends of her hair. DJ No, hair is that healthy
at the end. There's something is full at the bottom,
as there is all the time. You're showing me now
how it's layered in, so I can recognize where the
(06:48):
extension starts. These are things I just okay, fine, And
it has of course it's not in a ponytail's not
gonna pull it back, Oh no, no, no, that has
to be pulled to the front over the should a
little bit. These are things I didn't know, but once
you start noticing, you're like, oh my god, everybody looks
the same. But romes, I still want to I want
(07:10):
to be able to address like what's wrong with that? No, no,
we're not saying anybody's do anything wrong, but we're gonna
get to Kate Winsley's quotes. But Robes, I'm trying to address,
like what is if that makes someone feel better about
themselves they think that they.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Look better than I feel like if look, if you
can afford it, and it makes you feel more confident,
you know. And I think that's the argument for it,
that yes, it does build self esteem. And you know,
where's the line who hasn't had braces, who hasn't had
their teeth right, who doesn't color their hair, who doesn't
wear a makeup? You know? So we're all doing things
(07:48):
to improve our appearances. Our skincare, our products, All of
that is to improve that we look. So this is yes,
taking it. It's more invasive, and it's more expensive, and
there's a lot of upkeep, but it in its idea,
it's the same. They're all the same, they're coming from
the same place, the same idea.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You could go to like some some Brits, right then
they by the same guys wear the same nice tailored suits,
cropped cuts, nice beers. Whatever. I mean. You could see
even some guys over in Brooklyn. I go to some areas,
they were in the same truck of hats and they
got the same beers. I mean, whatever, it'll start to
look the same. It's a uniform, right, But maybe that's okay.
(08:29):
But Kate Wenslen again, what was the outlet she did
the interview with Other Times, the Times of London, Right, yeah, okay,
so she had some I thought very interesting things to say,
so we'll take them piece by piece here.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, she said, you do not actually know what that
person looks like, from the eyebrows, to mouth, to lashes
to hair. That young woman is scared to be herself.
What idea of perfection are people aspiring to? I blame
social media and its effect on mental health. She was
talking about how all of these young girls. She was like,
I actually don't know what anyone looks like anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Now I agree with that I've learned. I'm not going
to say nay, I have been You and Sabine actually
have shown me things in recent months of what people
I have only I know as one thing, and you
showed me what they looked like before they started going
through this whatever cosmetic transformation I couldn't you are able
(09:25):
to create a new you.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yes, if you have enough money and you can have
access to the right doctors. And look, I've interviewed people
when they were sixteen, seventeen, and then you see them
ten years later and they're absolutely unrecognizable. And look they
do look. I guess like more like a Barbie doll
is the best way I could maybe put it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And I guess what's wrong with that? If that makes
them feel good and that works for them, the threat
or as the dad of a girl who is about
to turn thirteen years old, I go, oh my, oh
my god. These other folks have that influence and it's true,
right and.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
On TikTok and all of that.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And they're seeing that it works. They're seeing that it
leads to success, they're seeing that it leads to beauty.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Even though Kate Winslett speaks specifically about young actors, she
said they have become obsessed with chasing an idea of
perfection to get more likes on Instagram. It upsets me
so much. It is devastating. If a person's self esteem
is so bound up in how they look. It's frightening
and it's puzzling because I have moments when I think
(10:34):
it's better when I look at actresses at events dressed
how they want, whichever shape. But then so many people
are on weight loss drugs. It's so varied. Some people
are making choices to be themselves, others do everything they
can to not be themselves. And they and do they
know what they're putting in their bodies? The disregard for
one's health is terrifying. It bothers me now more than ever.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Can I ask you about that point? What do you
think of all? I'm not sure how I feel about
it yet, the idea suggesting that people are not being themselves,
like can you not be authentic if you are altering
your appearance in some way? Right? That point in that
quote at least struck.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Me, yes, because I think we hear about it all
the time, people actually feeling like there's some something different
on the inside than they look on the outside. And
you know, you could even say, hey, I don't feel
fifty two, I feel thirty five. So I want to
look thirty five because I feel thirty five. I mean,
you could argue that's being yourself. So I know what
(11:38):
she's saying, I know what she's saying that you're trying
to but we're just talking about the physical shell we
all inherited from our parents, and we didn't have any
say in how we look and how we're shaped. And
now you can, and now you can, and so maybe
so you could argue that actually going to the doctor
(11:58):
and having surgery or or doing whatever you want to
do to alter your appearance is actually you being yourself.
You trying to make your outside more reflect how you
feel on the inside.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know, it's so refreshing these days. Every once in
a while you run into somebody who doesn't have makeup on,
just have the hair pulled back, who hasn't altered themselves
in some way. And there are some actors and actresses
who I actould say actresses more so, but even something
we've run into and interaction with personally, like, it's just
so refreshing. Yeah, you know, she's not doing it. It's
(12:31):
so just to not even I don't want to say
age beautifully or gracefully, but to age appropriately. It's okay.
We now, I know we're all fighting it, but We're
in a business that you had a little younger, but
now we're in the plays road where even young folks
think they need to be doing something to look younger.
I know, like you're twenty five, what are you talking about?
(12:53):
What your ava? Yeah, well she found a fucking gray hair,
and you get facetimedency.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Freaking out there's a gray hair. There's a gray hair.
Oh no, you know, I do think it. It does
make like you have absolutely said things like you think
Helen Mirren is gorgeous and talked about older women as
beautiful and sexy and all of that's it gives us permission,
you know, I think we think we're trying to meet
(13:23):
standards of men who always want to date younger or
it seems like that, and so it's like they're trying
to yes, stay relevant, stay sexy, all of those things.
Interestingly enough, Kate Winslet mentioned Helen Mirren, Tony Kollek, Sigourney Weaver,
women like her who are trying to all your yeses
(13:50):
and obviously yes, and she talked about how all of
those women are doing that very thing. And you can
add Jamie Lee Curtis to that as well, and those
are all the women you have your crushes on, your
celebrity crushes on. And that's actually really refreshing to me
to hear, because it's like none of those women did
(14:11):
anything to try and look younger. They just looked great
as they are who they are.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What do you else see? I know we got several
more Kate Winslet quotes, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
She said that. She said that my favorite thing is
when your hands get old. That's life in your hands.
Some of the most beautiful women I know are over seventy.
And what upsets me is that young women have no
concept of what being beautiful actually is.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What is that? What is the concept? Right? What is
being beautiful these days? Is it different when you your
twenties and your thirties and your forties and your fifties
and your sixties. It's quite possibly, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Isn't it always confidence? And isn't that is what's lacking?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's trying to change yourself period. I am telling you
right at this, you damn you nailed it. Confidence is
everything because we get told that. We've been told for
so long with whatever magazine cover, what beauty is supposed
to be. It's supposed to be this age, it's supposed
to be this eye color, this hair color, this hair length,
(15:09):
this body weight and all these things. And the most
beautiful woman you are going to see in New York
is in Sondra Prok right now, pushing a double stroller
with some juicy sweats on and how Yankee had on.
That's the most beautiful woman in New York right now. Yeah,
And you're right, it really is that thing. It's a
matter of what we believe beauty is. And too many
(15:31):
robes of our young women are buying into this other
concept of what beauty.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Is, yep, And that they need to have the full
lips and they have to be this weight and wear
this size because I didn't realize this. King Winslet said that,
and she said this on a podcast earlier, that viewers
used to mock her weight with the film's ending when
Jack couldn't get on the on the float and they
said it was because she weighed too much. She said
(15:59):
it apparently I was too fat. Why were they so
mean to me? They were so mean? She's like, I'm
a young woman, my body is changing, I'm figuring it out.
I'm deeply insecure. I'm terrified. Don't make this any harder
than it already. Is that bullying and actually borderline abuse it.
But she talked just about how her weight had had
such an impact on her as a young actress, and
(16:20):
that's why she actually feels like it's so important to
speak out about being who you are, embracing who you
are and not putting your value on your outward appearance.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, stay here more from Kate Winsley. But also she
wasn't the only woman in Hollywood who was turning heads
and also getting a lot of attention. So for what
she was, well not just for what she looked like,
but what I guess Robes, given who her dad is,
(16:50):
we shouldn't be surprised that she reacted and pushed back
at the public the way she did. Some of you
all might already guess we was talking about Kelly Osbourne.
Stay here, we'll explain, all right, folks, We continue here
(17:12):
on Amy and TJ. We were talking about as I was
bumbling through the tea's there about Kelly Osbourne. Yeah, logro
she has gone through Like my first image when you
think about Kelly Osborne is the reality show. Yeah, we
remember what she looked like, she was a teenager, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh years old, going through a bunch of changes, of
those hormonal changes, and she was on the look I
don't even want to but she was mocked oftentimes for
being overweight, and she felt the pressure of that for
most of her life. She talked about how she had
to deal with all of the online haters who said
she weighed too much. Poor thing, fifteen years old. Her
(17:50):
dad's Ozzy Osbourne, and now she's getting mocked for how
she looks and what her body looks like at a
time where it's changing.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I'm right at the time, and please help me here.
The time that the show was a hit, was it
at the same time that Twitter and social media were huge,
or that was a little before.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think it was right around the same time. I
have to go back and look at the exact years,
but I think they overlapped for sure, when it was
starting up. It's like, you know, mid two thousands, Okay,
in for sure, yes, because I think I remember I
got my first Twitter account in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So I might have Damn, I might have been the
same year.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That would make a lot of sense. Everybody kind of
jumped on. But anyway, this week now Kelly Osborne says, well,
hold up, because now everyone is hating on her for
being too thin, and she went online to address all
the haters. She did delete the post afterwards, but of
course everyone has a screenshot out of it. And she said,
to the people who keep thinking they're being funny and
(18:51):
mean by writing comments like are you ill or get
off o zempic, you don't look right. My dad just
died and I'm doing the best that I can and
the only thing I have to live for right now
is my family, and I choose to share my content
with you and share the happy side of my life,
not the miserable side of my life. So to all
those people, she said, f off. But she actually that's
(19:15):
the word.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah. I mean, god, dang, come man, That's all I said.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
She was that she had to get to that point
where she put that out there.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I didn't read that fully ahead of time. That stings.
That suckses I dad aside. Why is it like, no woman,
if you're in the public and you're you're a woman,
your appearance matters. We you know. I don't know why.
Governor Hockel just came to mind, the Governor of New
York I don't see what's out there, but I'm sure
(19:45):
as a politician, yes a right, Kamala Harris, Governor Hockle Like,
no matter what where you are, you're right. Pant suits?
Why do I know anything about pantsuits?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Because of Hillary Clinton? Right?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Is it always your appearance is being scrutinized? Kelly Ozma?
Why do what am I? What are we supposed to
do or say or care about what she looks like? Right?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And I don't think people realize that so many of
the celebrities they read what you write. It hurts me.
It's them. And she said, I thought this was so interesting.
She put out a she had an interview just a
short while ago, and she said, I have been a
drug addict, an alcoholic. I've been a complete mess, disrespectful
(20:31):
to people, horrible. But I got more shit for being
fat than I did for anything else. It's insane. And
then she said, you will never read an article about
me that hasn't got a comment about my weight. And
she said it's been just as bad now when she
was heavier as it is now that she's skinny.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh God, God bless her. I just that's I can
not imagine. And I'm not trying to make any comparison
to what women have to go through in that regard,
I have nothing to say.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
There is a tremendous amount of pressure to be thin,
a tremendous amount of pressure to stay and look young.
And if you can't do both of those things, it's
as if you are invisible, you don't matter, you have
lost value. And so yes, women will to the point
where they will go. And I have put myself through
(21:24):
extreme pain to try and keep my skin looking younger.
And I ask myself sometimes I'm like, are you an
idiot right now? Like you're doing this to yourself. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I actually wrote a note here because before we left,
I wanted to and ask you to tell people. We've
talked about it. So this is not a secret what
your beauty regiment is, if you will outside of just
you know, not here at the house, but you do
certain things like the vampire thing, and there's a few
(21:56):
things that you actually do that are that would be
considered beyond just you're at home routine, you know what
I mean? Yes, if you can share.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh yeah, so like in a year like this past year,
I do botox every four to five months, I get
I just finished three rounds of Morphius eight. It's just
like an intense heat laser that's supposed to shock your
like inner skin and like create your your body. Basically,
(22:27):
it stimulates your own collagen making, but by injuring your skin,
like injuring your face, it hurts like hell.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
This is the one that ends up the flaky thing. Yes,
that's that one.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay, Morphius eight is the name of it. So I
that was so painful. Okay, Well I only did I
did it three times and I'm not going to do
it again for another year.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You supposed to do it once a year.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yes, and I don't think I will do it again
because it was so painful.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Was it effective?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It's it's gradual, and they say so. It's hard to know,
but they did do before and after pictures, and I
did notice a slight lift. Yes, I've done a vampire
facial where they take blood out of you, They take
your plasma out, circulate it, and then inject it back
in your face. So basically what I've done is I
have not done filler. I don't like the idea of
(23:16):
plumping my face up with filler because that's when you
look different. Your cheeks and like some people look better
and they like the look. I don't want to, like
do my cheek bones or my I don't I've never
done anything to my lips. I've never But I'm just
not into changing the shape or look of my face.
I just want to preserve my I guess my face
(23:40):
as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And again the vampire thing, you've only done what you
plan on continuing that.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I don't know if I noticed the difference.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, So really we're down to botox and morpheous.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, or like some sort of like a little laser
here and there, like an ipl It's like a less
painful more what's an I plan something pulse laser? They
just like it's just to tighten your skin. So I'll
do little lasers in that kind of thing to tighten
my skin. I'll keep doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Okay, So I applaud folks as we wrap up here.
I applaud Kate Wensley. I appreciate it because it did.
Nothing came off mean or hey kids, get off my
lawn kind of a thing.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
It came off as like a sincere concern for where
we are the thing, the way things are going, and
we have to balance that in some way with a
woman's right to do what she wants correct to her
face and her body that makes her feel good and confident.
Exactly how did you balance that? I don't know, to
(24:42):
eat his or her own and we should just respect
people's decisions. Maybe that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yes, I think that should be the case, and also
recognize that it's not it's not okay to constantly comment
on a woman's appearance or body, and especially say that
it's wrong whether she's too fat or too thin. Anyway,
my heart went out to Kelly Osborne who says she's
having a hard time eating after her father died. That
(25:06):
makes sense to me. When I'm grieving, when I'm upset,
I am the same way. I cannot eat. And she said,
that is literally what's happening, and she will her grief.
She's getting through it and she will get through it.
But if you would please stop commenting basically on her
way either way, and I appreciate that and respect that.
But anyway, two strong women who had some very I
(25:27):
think important opinions to share with all of us. We
hope you all enjoyed listening. I mayy roback alongside TJ.
Holmes and you have thought too soon,
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